6 inch dust extraction system | 2hp dust extractor | Dave Stanton | home wood shop
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- Want 50% or more suction than a 4 inch system using your existing 2 horse extractor? A 6 inch dust extraction system that can improve your CFM by 50% or more. I show you how to set up a 6 inch dust extraction system in your home wood shop without buying a new extractor or paying a fortune for the fittings! Dave Stanton gives detailed information on what and where to buy the fittings and accessories. Click the show more button.
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Dammm I wish this video was 4 weeks earlier just did almost identical process, even purchased the cabatech cyclone you have to my Felder dust extractor and purchased the same auto blast gates, This video would have saved me a lot of headaches and time, but it was a great learning curve . thanks for sharing Dave
My pleasure Carlo Bortolus !
I put in a 6" system about 10 years ago, used metal spiral pipe. Had a 2hp Woodsucker cyclone, and found it fine except when using sanders. Sanding dust is much harder to collect than bigger chips. Went to a 3hp cyclone, which was an improvement, but what worked best was installing an outside air dump, which was building a 8" dryer vent type air dump, with a blast gate so if I have a really cold or hot day, can use the filter. My cyclone drops the dust into a 55 gallon drum. When planing boards I can fill the drum in about 15 minutes.
I built my system fifteen or more years ago with 6" mains and 4" branches and have been very happy. One thing I learned is don't have the branches come off the bottom, come in from the side if possible. When they come off the bottom debris will fall into unused branches and there will be quite a clatter when you start that line. I have micro switch on each gate that brings the dusty on. Good idea to open two or three occasionally to clean out he system. I am using a single bag 1 1/2 hp system.
Hi Barry Irby, an important point you raise there. You may have seen I did the same with my junctions?
Wdym buy branches come in from side and not bottom? Sorry I’m still learning lol
Thanks for this video! I just purchased a few sections of 6" from a local plumbing supply to pipe in my 2hp harbor freight(American Chinese equivalent to your collector.) I have an upgraded impeller to increase cfm, but have been on the fence about the 6" pipe as I've gotten a ration of crap from most of the dust collection "experts" for wanting to do 6" on a 2hp system as they say it's way too big. Glad I just found your video, and will be going ahead and piping in my system as planned! Thanks again!
Glad I could help!
This has to be the best video you have made (my thinking alone). I have been going to install a 6" system in my garage and this video helped so much
Glad it was helpful!
Hello Dave from Austin , Texas. I have been a subscriber for several years and have learned a great deal from your presentation. So I wanted to say thank you! Now for something unrelated I read an article the other day that said the Chinese folks were not drinking Australia’s wine. Well just because they got their feathers a bit ruffled ,shame on them. I decided to show my support for you good folks down under and purchased 5 bottles of Australian wine today . I think if half the folks in Australia are as nice as you, we in the US should do our best to support you when we can. Should you ever make it to Texas sometime it would be a pleasure to show you some Texas hospitality. Gene Kearney
Gene. There is a bit of a "tax Australian product so it isn't affordable" going on from China. I think it is payback for something our polaticians may have said. Anyway, your purchase of 5 bottles is sure to turn the economy around and now we can not worry about China's economic warfare, lol. If ever I get to the States I have no idea of where I would go. Your offer is generous indeed.
The thumbnail is gold 😂👌🏽
Thanks for the compliment Carpenter One3!
I saw these auto blast gates when they first came on the market. Jumped and designed a system that works for me, I have 6" to most machines, I have also aborted the dust outlets on table saw and thicknesser from 4' up to 6'' the difference speaks for itself, no comparison
I bought my 6"pipein 6m lengths from big box store, all other components came from a plumbing wholesaler (first lot came from interstate, even including freight the price saving was amazing. Do some shopping around the price variations are crazy.
Without being rude but people who rave about 2" & 4" need a 4x2 wrapped around their noggins. :)
Hi Tony McKessar, the gates work very well.
Dave. I like your automatic blast gates. My felder extractor switches on/off automatically with the tool but I haven't gone as high tech as you with the auto blast gates....yet. Thanks for posting.
I will be fitting another one on the show this weekend. 1 hour dedicated to the whole process.
I haven't got this much piping in my whole house........my whole shed didn't cost as much as that ducting would set me back. I solve the dust problem by using a new snorter every day!!!
Stavros
Bloody awesome video! Extremely useful information and so professionally presented. Without doubt I will keep coming back to this one (as I have to many of your other videos over the years) as I improve my own currently basic setup. Many thanks for putting in the effort to help us all.
Awesome, thank you!
Right away... the tip about the smaller drum, and "less bulk to remove", that's a great one I didn't consider.
6 inch though... wow! That's a power hog to get that one moving... it might snatch the pencil from your pocket if you are at just the right angle lol.
Glad to help!
That's an awesome upgrade Dave, and those gates look shmick. Lovely to have some 'permanent' Stanton reference content too on top of the Live Shows :)
Thanks Fixit Fingers! I got the feeling that it might be a smart move to throw my own little add and identity at the beginning of the show. The dust extraction works a treat!
Thanks for the video. Nice setup. I like the simplicity of that autogate system.
I'm jealous of your beautiful Turner plane display, I've only got 3, but would love to have the set one day.
Cheers
Glad you liked it!
Those blast gates are great as are the auto controls. When I extend my system I will go 6 inch.
Thanks for the compliment Derek!
Thats incredible Dave. Thanks for posting it mate.
Glad you enjoyed it
the thumbnail explains why you wear blue...looking forward to progress on the Lord Lucan bench at the weekend...
Hi loopy Head. The bench is progressing well!
Outstanding. You are the unreal. I aspire to your skill and knowledge
Thank you! Cheers!
Awesome!
I just did the same thing this past week from 4" to 6" to each 6" blast gate then dropped down to 4". no 90° elbows used at all, all 45° elbows and 2 sweeping t's used. I could kick myself for wasting time and money with the 4" a couple of years ago!
That is awesome!
I set up my 5hp collector with 6" PVC lines but never have less than 2 4" ports open at one time to keep the airflow in the main ducts up. I'm hoping to swap to a clearvue cyclone soon.
Thanks for sharing
Great work David 👌🔥🔥 also nice posing on the thumbnail 😉
Thanks Made by Ruurd! Not my standard type of thumbnail.
Very thorough video.
@2:16, you said that you preferred a single 88 degree sweep to 2 x 45 degree bends, but you didn’t explain why.
I thought the general consensus was that 2 x 45’s created a gentler bend?
Also, have you considered adding a grounded, uninsulated cable to dissipate static electricity buildup? Or are you finding the static build up isn’t a problem?
It is actually a cleaner change of direction. It is a sweep, not a hard bend.
Interested on the blast gates
Hi Garcia_ Bros_! Link in the video description box below.
Dave, do you have a video on how you converted the inlet on your impeller from 125mm to 150mm?
Not sure Brad. It was an easy thing to do, just some plywood and a piece of 6 inch PVC pipe that was flared with heat over a mould.
I am a little concerned on how to pipe my dust collection system since I modified my original powermatic I do want to use 6” much as possible it is wall mounted about 36” off the floor so the intake is facing the ceiling
Great video. Does the Carbatec 4" flex hose fit directly over a 4" PVC pipe or is an adaptor required? In places, I need to connect a Cabatec 4" flex hose off of the 6" PVC pipe. Thks.
Hi nevillegreg1, you need to look around my videos a bit harder, lol. th-cam.com/video/4iqL1uNCXzw/w-d-xo.html
Thank you.
I don't know if I missed it, but do you plan to earth your system this time? With the wire and the euro screws?
Yes, but not straight away.
Update pending in regards to static electricity management like your previous set up?
Coming soon!
All I can seemingly find is standard 6” pvc schedule 40 with the thicker walls. Any insight?
Hi, Dave just wondering. Arnt, you supposed to use earthing or isn't it really necessary. I was always wondering about it as some ppl saying that you don't need it and others say you do
Interesting point RoGu3Plague. I am yet to do it on my new system, but yes, I prefer it.
Good one Dave. Thanks for the info. With regard to the dust extractor is it vented outside to get rid of the 1 micron dust? I imagine that venting would reduce back pressure caused by the filter and increase the air flow. I have checked my 2hp dust extractor and the flex hose is 5" (125mm NB) into a 5" impeller housing inlet (if that makes sense) which forms part of the impeller cover or volute, so is there any advantage in going from a 6" flange onto the impeller housing or would it be OK to use the existing flange into a very short run of 5" hose then to a 6" to 5" duct reducer then to 6" flex connecting to the remaining 6" system? What do you think? Or perhaps use a 6" DWV floor flange screwed directly to the impeller cover?
Hi Stephen, Any reduction in diameter close to the dust extractor will act as a pressure reduction valve does with plumbing. Re filters, like me you are on a few acres with a reasonably pleasant temperature year round and venting outside is a preferable option Re air flow and no small particles inside the workshop.
I wanted to maximise the benefit so I went with 6 inch all the way until the collection port at the machine. The stpe down to 4 inch at that point acts in much the same way as a crevice tool on a house hold vacuum cleaner.
G'day Dave
How did I not discover your channel until about 2 months ago. The information you provide is incredibly helpful.
I just picked up my Carbatec 2100w system last week and picked up some grabbed some 150mm fittings from the plumbing shop yesterday.
I had the intention of mounting the motor/ impeller component to the wall like yours, and not use any of the rest of the system however the mounting feet seem rather weak. Could you do a more detailed video about how you've mounted your unit above the cyclone.
I saw you did a similar mount on the system you have connected to the CNC.
I also intend to have mine outside the workshop to save noise and floor space.
You also mentioned that you prefer the sweep over 2 x 45 bends. Could you elaborate on that?
Thanks for your videos.
The sweep is basically a 90 degree bend that is male to female. The radius is way bigger than a female to female 90 degree bend. The fact that the radius is one continuation rather than 2 45's with a "interruption" in the middle is better for airflow.
I have a 6" system as well with a 2 hp extractor. Works like a champ. It made such a increase as compared to my old 4" I was shocked. Have you had any experience with upgrading the blades in the blower?
Hi david palmer, none.
Hey David, 2 questions for you:
Question A) which is louder, 2hp DC or 3hp?
Question B) What DC unit do you have there? Are you able to describe somehow how loud it is?
Thanks!
Hi Robert Ye. A 3 hp will be louder. Mine is this one that I have taken the collection bag off. www.carbatec.com.au/dust-extractor-2hp-old-code-fm-300?aff=3
Hi Dave! Do you still use a shop vac with the track saw and miter saw or do those 2 1/2 reductions handle the job just fine? Thank you!
Omar Colocci, I use the shop vac for most small machines.
what did you do about static electricity inside your pipe?
I haven't done anything yet but wiil do if I notice any static discharge. I did an anti static for the system when it was 4 inch. Maybe the air was moving faster in that one?
Hi Dave, I live in Sydney's West- would you mind telling me where you got the cheap pipe fittings from?
Marisa, I told you in the video.
@@DavidStanton
"A local plumbing Supplies Cooperative" ?
17:04 - thanks
Were did you get the push on fitting for you jointer from flex hose to machine
Hi Anthony van der weiden, follow this link. www.carbatec.com.au/dust-connector-4-to-4-replaces-m-10136?aff=3
Do you feel there are any limitations with your 2HP 1200CFM dust extractor? Ever feel like you'd like a 3HP? Also, how do you think a 2HP dust extractor would go with a Carbatec In-Line Cyclone Dust Collector and a ducting setup like yours?
Hi Nick. My 2 horse is a carbatec dust extractor.And my inline separator is also Carbatec. Of course 3 horse would have more pull but the way my setup is, I don't need it.
@@DavidStanton thanks mate
You get static zap 😅
Thanks for watching! Static zaps can be annoying, but there are ways to prevent them. I'll share some tips with you here. th-cam.com/video/XtkHzmXe4ZA/w-d-xo.html
Dave enjoyed your new dust collection video.l. couple of questions what is your dust collectors cfm rating. And where does your exhaust go I think your old system just vented outside. Nice ststem.
Hi Chad. My 2 horse is rated at 1200 CFM. That is with filters and so on but at the inlet to the impeller. My setup has been vented directly outside which improved the performance. The system is still vented outside.
The results from the anemometer were pretty accurate given the first reading on a 4 inch system had no filters to give back pressure and the new system was taken at exactly the same point on the 4 inch flex hose which is 3 metres long and the rest of the system is 6 inch right the way through.
I am still going to adjust things as I think I can squeeze some more out of it!
@@DavidStanton Thanks for sharing Dave very impressive
Dave ,4:51 shows your dust guard on table saw, can you give any more information on this please.
Hi Tony McKessar. It is a sawstop blade guard. I replaced the existing blade guard on my Carbatec saw with this one a while ago. Very efficient for dust collection.
Inline separator no longer available from Carbatec
Hi Bruce N. New model arriving soon.
2hp can be 1500 to 3500 CFM I believe? What CFM is ur collector rated for? And does it have 6” inlet from factory??? Asking because I’m about to do a new system w a grizzly 2hp but only has 1500 CFM so not sure if it can pull 6” runs efficiently
I changed the inlet on the extractor to 6 inch. See the beginning of the video. My extractor vents to the outside, no filter, increased CFM.
Hi Dave Long time no chat don't know if you remember me. Say where did you bay your all your pipe work i got a small 3.10 meter X 3.10 meter shed so 6 inch is a over kill but im having a hard time finding 5 inch all i can find here in NZ is the 4 inch
Hi RoGu3Plague: Plays 5 inch is not an option in PVC. Get the 4 inch for a 3 x 3 shed.
@@DavidStanton I had a 1h and just got a 2h like two days ago and just wondering how to set the 2h up from scratch
Hi RoGu3Plague: Plays. Same as the 1 horse.
Where did you get the 6 inch from? Do u have a website or address?
Plumbing supplies cooperative.
Am I missing something or were the inline separator that bad? The link doesn't work for me, nor do searches of the carbatec website, I only find the laguna and festool cyclones now. As much as I'd love to fork over nearly $4K for a laguna one, I just can't afford that for my little one man hobby shop. Great video though, I'll just have to keep researching.
Hi Allan Nielsen! The separator is great. I think Carbatec have an updated one coming soon.
HI David - Where did you get the cyclone, frame and bin?
Hi Bradley Smith. I got it here but seems like they are out of stock at present. www.carbatec.com.au/?aff=3
Where did you get the ducting
I thought I mentioned it in the video?
2500 to 3000 cfm on a 2hp 6" system? I have to ask, what did you enter into the anneometer for pipe size? Thats doesnt seem right. Also what were the cfms on the old system? What do you attribute the dramatic changes to? Thanks.
I changed the inlet on the extractor to 6 inch. See the beginning of the video. My extractor vents to the outside, no filter, increased CFM.
Actually, your volume increase of 6-in pipe over 4-in pipe is about 280%.
U.P.V.C. is unmodified poly vinyl chloride.
Thanks for that david hull!
How many CFM is your dust extractor?
Hi Woodwork Hubby. It is rated at 1200 cfm with the filter on. As I run through a cyclone and then exhaust directly outside I do not have any back pressure on the system. The readings were comparative only and indeed 50% increase.
@@DavidStanton ok. I was going to duct mine outside but was worried about how much dust comes out. I have neighbours. 😂