Did Jesus Cease To Exist When He Died? SDAs Respond to
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- In a recent video where @answeringadventism and Sam Shamoun attempted to "bury" the Advent Defense League, they refuted an argument that SDAs do not claim. This is called a "Straw Man" fallacy. What do SDAs truly believe about the death of Christ.
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Love you guys. You stay with the bible and bible only. Stand up and defend the word of God; showing no favor.
They did a cos 90 work there thinking they refuted ADL when they are actually refuting something we don’t believe 😏😂
So you agree with out ever going and seeing what they actually said?
Yep. That is called a strawman. 😂
@@JamieElison I was live watching them trying to refute ADL…their arguments were weak
This critics just set their own ideologies on SDA's believes,thank you ADL For your tireless efforts to present Truth as it's written
I was thinking about Nebuchadnezzar. When he became lile a beast, he didn't stop being king. During that time he did not have authority to execute his kingship, but he was still king of Babylon because if he wasn't he would not have been able to resume as king in his throne after God brought him to his senses. Just a thought
Good point.
LOL! Gotta love it when the silly naysayers and haters like Myles waste their time refuting "an argument that SDAs do not claim"! Too bad they don't use their time spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
How come you agree without ever checking out whether they told you truth go look at the other video and see what they actually said!
@@JamieElison Wow! I didn't know that you were spying on me. Did you hack my computer or are you with the Biden FBI?
@@JamieElison I didn't know you hacked my computer and were spying on me . . . .
That's the truth about the so called former Adventist's, they don't spread the gospel only criticism but their knowledge about Bible study is totally nothing
@@okwijames947 okay prove that you have the ability to know the Bible( interpret Daniel 8) from beginning to end!( in the context that it is written)!!!!! and I'll give you A $1000!
As an SDA member I believe that Jesus humanity died, and felt fear of death. But He died for the sins of the world. But He did not die for any personal sins because He was sinless. Thus His divinity did not die because death has no claim over a being who has not sinned. ( The wages of sin is death ) Also without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. If Jesus had not died in our place then we would have died the second death. And would never exist again.
Yeah you would exist ! The soul does not die!
Jesus Christ the divine son of God died fully human fully divine...died and thats basis of salvation..to claim only his humanity died ...is to make him only a human sacrifice
@@bigirwaraymond7171....Fully agreed...there are many discussions on this but thats the way that make sense to me....
@@jimbob1644 Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
@@jimbob1644 Eze 18:20 The soulH5315 H5315
נֶפֶשׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.
Total KJV occurrences: 753.........Mat 10:28 bothG2532 soulG5590 G5590
ψυχή
psuchē
psoo-khay'
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.
Total KJV occurrences: 104 notice the distinction between G4151 and G2222. when does the Christian receive immortality? 1Corinthians 15:51_54; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17; John 14: 1-3: Job 19:25-27
I really enjoy your channel, the ADL. I learn so much here. Thanks guys.
Straight from the word
@@bryanbriby8191why don't you go to see the miles is video and see what they actually said.
Luke 4:14 ‘and Jesus returned to Galilee (IN THE POWER(dunamei) OF THE SPIRIT)’ …supports that Jesus didn’t go about His ministry with His own devine physical power/strength/might to do miracles .but rather in the power (dunamei) of the Holy Spiriit. . Indeed a Perfect example for us to follow.
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That guy is trying to build a strawman.
Amen. I realize this is the tactic Satan uses with God. (Not saying this man is Satan, but the arguments come from Satan).
He tells people God is not loving because if he was, he would not allow innocent babies to die, our love ones to die of sickness even though we pray, etc. All the while knowing these are the results of sin which God was trying to protect us from. This is why God told our first parents not to eat of the tree or they would die. It was him satan who encouraged man to fall and then blamed God for the results he satan encouraged. It's the ultimate strawman argument. Likewise, whenever the truth is spoken, Satan will bring strawman arguments to misrepresent the truth.
Go to the top and hit the newest they're hiding the comments
Ask the uploader why he's not letting the comments print to you?
@@JamieElison
🥱 boring! And he was committing a strawman fallacy. Do you know what that is? You should since you do it all the time.
Since Jesus is equal with the Father He rules the universe just like the Father and the Holy Spirit since they are one. I think it is important to emphasize the fact that there is no ranking between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Christ was fully Divine and therefore had all the powers of God, but He laid aside the glory and concealed Divinity in Humanity. It is very clear, Divinity did not die, but humanity did die. Jesus is the resurrection and the life. Jesus rose by the life that was in Himself. John 10:17-18 "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. (18) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." Thanks again guys!
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
ADL .at it again with another one
Before you say anything why don't you go look what these guys actually said, on that location, you just assumed they told you the truth!
@@JamieElisonthere's no truth with someone who titles himself as a Former Adventist, it's like going to listen to the former evil Angel Lucifer we have no time for that, Chris is about to come let him be filthy, unholy we have no time to create churches based on man made sabbath or earthly Sabbath God already gave one Sabbath in Genesis 2:1-3
If Jesus had come to earth in his divinity then sinful man could argue we are not divine thus we can not obey the law of God. And they would be right. But Jesus came in humanity and conquered sin in His humanity and gave us example that it can be done by every human that relies in the power of God to be victorious. Phillip 4:13
I'm waiting to watch you do it!
@@jimbob1644so you don't believe in the power of God that he can perfect you to live a Holy life
@@okwijames947 well that hasn't happened for you yet when is it going to happen?
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Jesus slept was it God sleeping? Because the Bible says, God neither slumber nor sleep, so who was sleeping in the bottom of the ship? Ask Myles and Sam this question.
Jesus also stated no one takes my life, but I lay it down and I take it up again. I also believe that these are very difficult things to understand even for a PhD because if the things of God and scripture were so simple for human minds to understand then would God be God. Our God has an infinite mind, are there no mysteries in scripture that will have to wait until we get to heaven to get a correct understanding. Just one man's opinion.
This lesson should not be overlooked. There are today thousands suffering from physical disease who, like the paralytic, are longing for the message, “Thy sins are forgiven.” The burden of sin, with its unrest and unsatisfied desires, is the foundation of their maladies. They can find no relief until they come to the Healer of the soul. The peace which He alone can impart would restore vigor to the mind and health to the body. {MH 77.3}
See Hebrews 10: 5 Therefore when He cometh into the world, He saith, “Sacrifice and offering Thou wouldest not have, but a body hast Thou prepared for Me
The divinity of Jesus never dies, it is crucial to understand that Jesus gave up His Divine Nature and became a human to redeem us. When Christ died, Christ the Human died, not His Divine Nature.
Did Jesus give up His divine nature? Really???????
@@okellojeremy2700
Yes, Jesus gave up His Divine authority according to Phil 2:7. However, this doesn’t mean He wasn’t God anymore, He gave up His Divine Power, that He fully became a man just like you and me.
@@JaswanthDaniel Jesus didn't give up any Divine Attributes in the incarnation. He remained fully equal in nature with the Father- omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent.
Some version of the bible says Christ empty himself of his divine powers, he never said he ceased to be God
@@dariusmot8440
I never said He wasn’t God when He became human. He gave up His Divine power and become fully human when Jesus came to this world…
Do you have an online study forum?
King David did the same think by laying aside his royal robes and just had the common clothing of a priest in order to bring the arc into Jerusalem. David became a commoner to only ascribe glory to God at that moment.
The show "underboss" does that all the time.
Yup!!!
God the Son CUD die, no more, tho....but at Mt Sinai why wud God the Son mediate a testament in blood? The blood signifying death of the covenant breaker, if He CUDNT die?
What bothers me about the livestream is that there's no way Myles doesn't know that we don't believe what Sam said but bcs he's on "his side" (i believe Sam doesn't think Calvinist are Christians which is comedy) he doesn't correct him, crazy.
The paralytic found in Christ healing for both the soul and the body. The spiritual healing was followed by physical restoration. This lesson should not be overlooked. There are today thousands suffering from physical disease, who, like the paralytic, are longing for the message, "Thy sins are forgiven." The burden of sin, with its unrest and unsatisfied desires, is the foundation of their maladies... The peace which He alone can give, would impart vigor to the mind, and health to the body. {DA 270}
The truth is to be planted in the heart. It is to control the mind and regulate the affections. The whole character must be stamped with the divine utterances. Every jot and tittle of the word of God is to be brought into the daily practice. He who becomes a partaker of the divine nature will be in harmony with God's great standard of righteousness, His holy law. This is the rule by which God measures the actions of men. This will be the test of character in the judgment. {COL 314}
I watched you say it I watched his video you're not telling the truth!
They were buried by Shamoun and Myles and now they are looking like fools trying to make good of themselves after buried
3:35 What truly happened to Jesus when he died? Consider Lazarus - Jesus commanded Lazarus to come from the grave. Lazarus came from the grave. There was some aspect of Lazarus that was able to respond to the voice of Christ. Now Jesus and the Apostles all refer to death as a sleep. That which is asleep can be woken.
So Jesus is in the Tomb. His humanity is dead. His divinity is sleeping. When the angel calls, that divinity awakens and the humanity awakens with it.
No , Jesus got himself out of the grave, which is the gospel.
@@7lillieGalatians 1:1 Paul,an apostle ( not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the father who raised him from the dead) Now that's scripture seventh day Adventist's don't base their claims on One verse just like the way you do bro
So if Jesus has two natures, do each nature has consciousness?
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Why don't you show his video ( of you talking)..? what he showed you saying! let everybody see the one that myles( showed about you speaking! )..Let the public see that !!you're not showing that part!
Many Christians believe that Sunday is of divine appointment. When Sunday observance shall be enforced by the National Sunday Law then whoever shall transgress the 7th day Sabbath command of God to obey a command of the Pope of Rome will honor popery above God.
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Why would he show the other person video? If anyone wants to watch it, they can go watch it. How many times are you going to make this silly argument in one thread? 😂
@@justamessenger4577 Jamie Ellison is a BOT troll.
Yall need to nip this in the bud. With a public debate and debunk these false teachings of Myles and Co. They need a spiritual reality check.
The Jesus that was born is it Jesus that died
All that the Son has He received from the Father, even the fullness of the Godhead Bodily. An immortal being cannot die, but, immortality, after it is bestowed, can be withdrawn. What God gives He can take back, and this was the risk that both the Father and His Son took, to save a fallen race.
Did Jesus experienced the second death on my behalf? And if he did, was the Father able to bring him back? Why limit Divinity? That's the difference between God n US. For the finite to try to explain the INFINITE, is but arrogance in its pure sense, daring, presumptuousness. I believe we are threading in holy ground and we ought to remove our shoes and be still.
...the Abraham/Issac narrative comes to mind. The boy was willing to die. Abraham surrendered his only begotten son; however, he was confident that God was the only one that could bring him back --- he had to.
God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8.
As soon as there was sin, there was a Saviour. Christ knew that He would have to suffer, yet He became man's substitute. As soon as Adam sinned, the Son of God presented Himself as surety for the human race.10
Think of how much it cost Christ to leave the heavenly courts, and take His position at the head of humanity. Why did He do this? Because He was the only one who could redeem the fallen race. There was not a human being in the world who was without sin. The Son of God stepped down from His heavenly throne, laid off His royal robe and kingly crown, and clothed His divinity with humanity. He came to die for us, to lie in the tomb as human beings must, and to be raised for our justification. He came to become acquainted with all the temptations wherewith man is beset. He rose from the grave and proclaimed over the rent sepulcher of Joseph, "I am the resurrection, and the life." One equal with God passed through death in our behalf. He tasted death for every man, that through Him every man might be a partaker of eternal life.
Christ ascended to heaven, bearing a sanctified, holy humanity. He took this humanity with Him into the heavenly courts, and through the eternal ages He will bear it as the One who has redeemed every human being in the city of God, the One who has pleaded before the Father, "I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands." The palms of His hands bear the marks of the wounds that He received. If we are wounded and bruised, if we meet with difficulties that are hard to manage, let us remember how much Christ suffered for us....
Our Saviour bore all that we are called upon to bear, so that no human being could say, "He does not know my suffering and my trials." In all our afflictions He was afflicted....
Satan declared that human beings could not live without sin. Christ passed over the ground where Adam stumbled and fell, and by a sinless life placed the human race on vantage ground, that every one might stand before the Father, accepted in the Beloved. HP 13.1 - HP 13.6
So the Jesus you're presenting wasn’t the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
You read a quote from Calvin that just spells out Christ's 2 natures as Christians have believed since the beginning. It in no way contradicts the points Myles was making. It on the other hand condemns SDA official writings and their blasphemous Christology.
Can you explain how it condemns SDA writings? There are many accusations, but no substance.
Myles accusation was answered and extra proof was supplied: you need to add substance to your comment, indeed.
IF ADL be that Jesus is omnipresence, why he could not be with the thief in paradise ?
This video shows the Bible verses that says Jesus laid aside His power.
Also Jesus didn't go to Paradise that day because He said in John 20:17 that He hadn't yet ascended to His Father. The Father lives in Paradise.
Is it possible that you could ever tell the truth!??? where does the bible say that paradise is in heaven? So Jesus is a liar, when He said He would be with him on that day in paradise! Really? Matthew 12:40! Paradise there's a great Gulf between it and Hades! ...@@thatnicekid04
Stop limited the power of God the son.
@@gt3536 stop believing things that scripture doesn't say.
Jesus gave up his Glory and became man. Every miracle Jesus ever preformed on earth was granted through the Father for Jesus was made mortal and had no authority except through the Father. Preach on my brothers. And on the third day Jesus rose from the dead, and all His power was restored to Him by His Father. Romans 6:4 Acts 2:24&32 Notice who raised Jesus from the dead prof He was mortal while on earth.
To the comments:
It says in the scripture all the fullness of the godhead bodily existed in Christ.
God himself came in the form of man. That's it. It's that simple.
Jesus was still God but he was also humanity because he was in a human body. Does that mean that he wasn't able to sin because he was God?
Even though it says God cannot lie, that just means it's in his nature not to do so.
God can still make a choice to do something or not do something. But he does not go against his good nature.
The Bible says "God is good".
Therefore, God does not ask of us anything that he won't do himself. That's what it comes down to.
Jesus showed that he wasn't a hypocrite. Jesus showed that he loves us with the love that he claims to have for us by dying on the cross for our sins.
Etcetera etcetera. I think you get my point.
Jesus is Lord.
When Jesus died he had the power to raise up himself. And because he did not send he fulfilled the mission that he came to accomplish when he died on the cross.
But let's not forget the mission didn't end there. It doesn't end until he comes back to deliver us once and for all.
Jesus is our high priest up in heaven. He still has on the humanity body but in a glorified form. Otherwise he couldn't be our high priest.
That's all I'll say for now.
John 1v1 The Word Was God... Past tense
You mean....this truth has always been true, since the beginning? Good point.
Did God tne Son cease exist for three days? Yes or No. Answer the question plainly.
No, not in His "divinity."
@@AdventDefenseLeague Agreed. Praise God! Then anyone claiming you said He didn't exist in His divinity is wrong. Apologies for believing prior to now that you held that point. And thanks for answering. That's why it's always good to ask! Thanks.
📯🕒⏳⌛; O , how man underestimate ALMIGHTY CREATOR INFALLIBLE AUTHORITY GOD JESUS CHRIST KJVB Isaiah 52: 14 Revelation 19: 13 John ALL WORD ALONE
@ADL
You guys have a comment around here. Named Jamie who's everywhere, leaving messages everywhere, trying to persuade discourage confuse others or challenge them in ways. They don't need to be challenged. So as she wouldn't I know, these people probably have already reviewed the video that this video is actually discussing. Either way, I'm just letting you know. In case you haven't noticed, you've got a troll when you're doing a lot of trash.
Yes, he has multiple aliases and think we aren't aware of that. I usually let him be. It does help the algorithm when there a lots of comments and our teachings spread further. So, the critic is actually helping, ironically.
@@AdventDefenseLeague
Well, don't take it from me because, in some ways that's true, but I've also seen people like him.On other channels completely bewilder.Discouraged confused and scared off.Many young christians who are just taking on milk and they lose their faith or their hope
I'm afraid banning won't help. As it is he has multiple channel names. That's the issue. We can only pray for these people and for the ones they confuse while responding.
@@AdventDefenseLeague
I'm aware of that. I don't think you can bat him either but I'm just saying you could understand you could be prepared. I don't know how to be prepared, but you can be prepared to help those people who are taking on milk or they're going to be very lost and very confused because of these. Evil doings of people. So the reason why I mention that is because I know you don't want to get in a comment war. I'm not looking for you to get in a comment war but this guy leaves stuff everywhere I don't know if you've ever commented on there against some of his thoughts to help any of the people asking questions or not but I'm just letting you know because I originally I did not know if you were aware. Anyway, I hope my Voice Recorder didn't mess up too bad.God bless you and happy sabbath
Thanks buddy. Hey if you could help us in the comments that would be great!
A friend shared me this link coz he knows that am an Adventist, I thought all were Adventist but I think the presenters are not! Deu 29:29. The Bible says Jesus Christ died, and if you ask "did Jesus Christ died?" I think you do not understand the Bible
What Christ laid down wasHis divine mode of existence. Not His divinity. Jesus could forgive sins on earth because He was God
1Tim 6:16 is Speaking about God the Father not the Son. Please read carefully for your self. Only Jesus has seen the Father.
ONLY GOD THE FATHER IS SELF-EXISTENT AND IMMORTAL. AS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD JESUS INHERITED DIVINITY FROM HIS FATHER. Read Hebrews chapter one.
Jesus has two natures. He inherited his human nature from Mary. His human nature qualified him to be our sacrifice, our High Priest, our comforter and only mediator, our wisdom, sanctification, righteousness and our eternal life. Jesus is the embodiment of truth.
Jesus is the only begotten son of God as such he inherited his divine nature from God the Father. In Jesus dwells the fullness of divinity inherited from his Father. Jesus is the real Son of God not a metaphorical Son as taught by the false trinity doctrine.
Jesus is fully God because he inherited his divine (God) nature from his Father. He is the expressed image of His Father.
Jesus is fully man because he inherited his human nature from Mary a descendant of Adam.
That's why Jesus bears the title Son of God and Son of Man.
Jesus is all that He is because He inherited ALL things from His Father even eternal life and immortality.
Jesus revealed that His Father is greater than Him. He also says that He can do nothing without the Father what he says is what the Father tells him to say.
The Father has placed the Spirit of His Son into our hearts to sanctify and seal us. Christ in you the hope of glory. Jesus is the omnipotent and omnipresent, life-giving Holy Spirit of God.
The life (Spirit)of the Father is in the Life (Spirit)of His Only begotten Son.
On the Cross Jesus delivered us from the penalty of the second death. The second death is the death of complete extinction. It is the death that will deny one from inheriting immortality.
On the Cross Divinity and perfect Humanity DIED. Since that speaks to the preciousness and high dignity of the sacrifice made by God to save Man as the only acceptable offering from Man to God the Father.
HE WHO GAVE HIM ALL THINGS ALLOWED ALL THINGS TO BE TAKEN FROM HIM, BUT RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD RESTORING ALL THING TO HIM EVEN THE FULLNESS OF DIVINITY AND HUMANITY.
JESUS IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, THE MANIFESTATION OF GOD'S PERFECT LOVE AND THE OBJECT AND ONLY CHANNEL OF OUR WORSHIP OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD.
If Jesus is self-existent. How is He God's Son? The Bible teaches that God had a Son before He sent Him to become a man on the earth.
If Jesus is not God's real begotten Son, what did God the Father give to save us according to John 3:16?
Jesus is equal to us men because he inherited our nature. By the same principle Jesus is equal to his Father because he inherited his Father's divine nature through divine birth way back in eternity passed. The Bible refers to Jesus as the Beginning of the creation of God.
We reproduce after our kind. A dog cannot reproduce a cat. Humans reproduce humans therefore by the same divine biblical principle we understand that If our God who is divine in nature begat a Son from His own person, then that begotten son must bear the equal nature with the one from whom he was begotten.
Just like Satan the Trinity doctrine denies that Jesus is the only begotten real Son of God before the world and anything was created. God used his Only begotten Son to create ALL things. Jesus is the Spirit of God which moved over the earth and waters in the Genesis creation story.
TRINITY IS SATAN THEOLOGY DEVELOPED BY THE RCC. ALL CHRISTENDOM WANDERING AFTER THE TRINITY IDOL OF THE TWO BEASTS OF REVELATION 13.
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON THESE TRINITARIANS.
Shamounian mistook your point, yet your study missed another point: since divinity cannot die, so Jesus' death was a human death, where is the divine merit in his sacrifice???? Sure, Jesus laid aside his divine rights, but where, here, then, is the divine merit in his death as a human?? You were dealing with their objection such that you had no time or thought for this issue, it seems.
Another commenter here touches on this point yet still doesn't pin it down well enough, and admits as much. According to the book of Romans, Jesus' divine identity is crucial to his divine nature, as well as the Godhead enduring & facilitating Calvary, in the Person of his Father: Jn 1:1 ought to read "and the Word was divine", for that is the idiomatic quality of the Greek, and gives us ready flexibility when speaking of who Jesus is. He is the very, actual, Son of God since before creation began, as the Bible plainly states in so many places.
For God to become a man only God's own Son could do so: the Father dwelling in unapproachable light, the Son alone could make this step, this adaptation, which didn't change his own nature or character in any way. Thus, also, having taken mortal humanity for righteous living and dying for our salvation, the Son of man he still was whose identity gave his atoning death the merits needed for eternal salvation for us all. Emptying himself of his rights, being obedient as a servant unto death as a man was never enough by itself.
"For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, how much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by His life." (Rom 5:10 MEV)
That Jesus being the actual Son of God is the only basis for Calvary having divine merit is the case, not so: Spirit of Prophecy statements make this same point, but this Bible verse is crystal clear too.
This leaves traditional thinking of the trinity bereft of divine power, it would appear, but we know whom we have believed, and are persuaded that he is able to keep that which we have committed unto him against that day.
There is no God the Son.
Jesus divinity did not die. His divinity was His breath, and He returned His breath to the Father. Jesus could not die as a spirit. That is why He had to become the Son of man.
There is nothing in scripture does it say that Jesus was God sent to Earth. Jesus came in all the glory of the only begotten Son of God, not in the glory as the One True God. Manifest means to make clear, not to be made flesh.
Jesus was not manifest in the flesh. You're adding to scripture. Jesus manifest God in the flesh. Jesus was the express image of His Father. He was His Son. His nature is divine.
Like i said, you were rebutted of your explanation. Why rebutt again. Call shamoun for a debate or become a funny bunch of fools.
Jesus could not accomplish the incarnation and retain all of His divine attributes at the same time, it simply was not possible. He could possess none of His Omnipresence, Omnipotence, and His Omniscience while on earth.
His divinity would continue, but would exist apart from the person of Christ’s humanity.
It is only in this way that He could die the death that was required, otherwise, the cross is nothing more than a pantomime.
All that Jesus could draw upon while on the earth, we have at our disposal today, through His Holy Spirit.
I assume Christ must be two persons now? How does Christ's Deity dwelling somewhere separate from Christ's human person? That would mean Christ incarnate was not God. How can He accomplish the atonement for us as a mere man?
Divinity cannot die, therefore it was necessary for Jesus to become a man so that He could die, if not, then He could not accomplish the atonement.
Not only that, but the atonement would not be possible if Jesus used His divinity to overcome sin.
In 1895 Ellen White wrote the following in Letter 119-1895.18.
“Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore, it was altogether for their advantage [the Apostles, and us] that He should leave them, go to His Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent.”
“He laid aside His glory and His majesty. He was God, but the glories of the form of God He for a while relinquished.” (7ABC 446.1)
Now the glories of the form of God would include His Divine attributes, including His omnipresence, and all these Divine attributes, He, for a while relinquished.
In other words, He set them aside, and in clothing His Divinity with humanity, He relinquished or laid aside His Divine Powers and made Himself subject to His human nature.
But that was not permanently, that was for a while, that He relinquished them.
Love you guys. You stay with the bible and bible only. Stand up and defend the word of God; showing no favor.
Shamounian mistook your point, yet your study missed another point: since divinity cannot die, so Jesus' death was a human death, where is the divine merit in his sacrifice???? Sure, Jesus laid aside his divine rights, but where, here, then, is the divine merit in his death as a human?? You were dealing with their objection such that you had no time or thought for this issue, it seems.
Another commenter here touches on this point yet still doesn't pin it down well enough, and admits as much. According to the book of Romans, Jesus' divine identity is crucial to his divine nature, as well as the Godhead enduring & facilitating Calvary, in the Person of his Father: Jn 1:1 ought to read "and the Word was divine", for that is the idiomatic quality of the Greek, and gives us ready flexibility when speaking of who Jesus is. He is the very, actual, Son of God since before creation began, as the Bible plainly states in so many places.
For God to become a man only God's own Son could do so: the Father dwelling in unapproachable light, the Son alone could make this step, this adaptation, which didn't change his own nature or character in any way. Thus, also, having taken mortal humanity for righteous living and dying for our salvation, the Son of man he still was whose identity gave his atoning death the merits needed for eternal salvation for us all. Emptying himself of his rights, being obedient as a servant unto death as a man was never enough by itself.
"For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, how much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by His life." (Rom 5:10 MEV)
That Jesus being the actual Son of God is the only basis for Calvary having divine merit is the case, not so: Spirit of Prophecy statements make this same point, but this Bible verse is crystal clear too.
This leaves traditional thinking of the trinity bereft of divine power, it would appear, but we know whom we have believed, and are persuaded that he is able to keep that which we have committed unto him against that day.