As an N&W fan, I love how you guys expertly tried to create what very well could’ve been a PRR steam engine. I find the headlight arrangement and tender design to be the most unique, especially considering the N&W heritage of the design. Look forward to seeing future models!
I had tried to keep the engine as "N&W" as I figured the PRR would have kept it, judging by what they did with the C&O T1 turning it into the PRR J1, I did however make a few additions like the belpaire firebox and repositioning a few of the domes to change the whistle positioning like how most PRR engines tended to have it. But since it never actually happened, we never will know what it would have looked like. This is just what I had imagined!
@@connorflaherty175 I heard of this test almost 20 years ago, but never had the means to make it happen. Now that I had an N&W A class, a ton of PRR engines, and resources to make it happen, this seemed like a good time.
Nice, I love what-ifs, they fascinate me on the basis on what if they were chosen, or what if this happened. I've got a theory going on about the triplexes.
Well, close enough to a Q2 I guess... and it's been a while since you made an articulated so..... TAKE MY MONEY!!! Also, maybe for a possible articulated locomotive candidate, (I already suggested for this one, but I don't know if you read my comment on the WM I1 Decapod promo) maybe you can make the Delaware & Hudson's J-class 4-6-6-4 Challenger? It's an interesting and beastly locomotive.. shame none survived dieselization though, and it has never been made as Trainz content like, EVER..…. 😐 Anyway, GREAT JOB AS USUAL STEVE!!
trainz 4460 productions Dude, the 3001 is NOT getting restored to operation. You probably got this information that was released in 2011, that’s like 8 years in the past mate. And please don’t change the subject.
K&L trainz takes commissions. Someone pays them X amount of money for their engine to be put into Trainz. They don’t take suggestions. Check their projects list. They have Arcade and Attica 18 up next, followed by GTW 6325. These were paid by various people who wanted fantastic designs of their engine in trainz. Anything from a simple engine to an entire consist can be included, ex the 261 project might include the excursion consist or maybe some freight cars, the L1 project might include the chessie passenger train and some conventional c&o coaches, etc. Don’t “suggest” to K&L that they should ever do anything. They won’t listen and won’t care about what you want because they have their own projects to work on, and to them it could be annoying, even. If they did take suggestions they’d be bombarded with foamers.
I heard they might've made a few other engine designs: -FF2 2-6-6-2 (based off USRA light mallet) -HG1 (extended and articulated version of Q1 and Q2) -GG2 (baldwin's variant on the challenger) -DD2/T2 (4-4-4-4 articulated mixed traffic locomotive. Name was never decided) -P6 (basically a "K4 baltic" 4-6-4) -AA1 (heavy articulated switcher) -DB1 (a T1 precursor, with no streamlining or trailing truck) Edit-I meant FF3, PRR already had FF2 electrics
Never would have thought you could make a what could have been engine for the Pennsy after experimenting with the C&O T1 and N&W A, Mr. Lerro. It kinda looks like a Pennsy Q2 but that is my opinion.
Pardon me, but can I also use some of the footage of the FG-1? (Video material of this concept is scarce and I could fit it Into my video alongside the Hudson you allowed me to use.)
I knew something was bound to happen today when I saw that Facebook post. It's great looking locomotive and I'll definitely put it on my list of things to buy.
This is the best thing I've ever seen in trainz. I wanna see more of this kind of thing, always have. Like, the what if's, the kind of stuff the S. Berliner guy was on to. Love this new model, I may get the new trainz just to download all the great stuff I've seen on this channel!
Very well done K&L Trainz! I love this "what may have been" idea! So many possibilities! I hope there will be more fantasy trains of the different railroad made by K&L Trainz, especially for Pennsy. :-) Another "what may have been" idea: A PRR Northern 4-8-4s base on the design of N&W Class J (maybe a different streamlining?)
Wonderful job that engine would have been awesome to see in action back in the day and I wish PRR had these locomotives on the roster. I am not a fan of the Pennsylvania, but I like unique locomotives she is amazing and her whistle 2:393:42 also fits her perfectly. That whistle is amazing, makes a great voice for her. Nice job!!!
It'd odd for sure, but it goes along with where it was on the PRR Q2. I wanted to make the engine as "Pennsyified" as possible, even if they probably wouldn't have gone with it there on an articulated.
Oh my goodness!!! Yes, I would believe if a 2-6-6-4 was ever built for the Pennsylvania RR based on the N&W A 2-6-6-4, it will look exactly just like this!!! And were did the FG come from and what's the code meaning? And the rest of it is AWESOME!!! Keep up the best work at your own pace, no need to be at a rush...!!! I think that if some people sees this soon, and never seen anything like this, I think one of them might have an idea to built THIS!!!
It's explained in the video where the FG came from. They usually classed the articulated engines by the 2 existing set of wheels used in the articulated....so an F 2-6-0, and G for the reversed 4-6-0, and -1 since it was the first of it's class.
I'd love to see one of these in Pennsy's freight livery. Round plate and banshee whistle. And a black/brunswick green roof, if I recall correctly. Still, amazing job on this one!
I’m sure this type would’ve eventually replaced the 4-4-4-4; seeing that this type of articulated locomotive had less problems when the N&W used it, this could’ve very well been a fast freight/passenger locomotive on the PRR. Alas, one can o my dream. Maybe the railway would’ve been more successful if they adopted this design
The 2-10-4 did. PRR class T1 4-4-4-4's ran with a higher boiler pressure but lower TE than the Chessie design 2-10-4's - at the price of doubling the number of complex parts to be maintained... PRR was looking for speed and efficiency, and the way to get it with most of the designs they tried was with that 4-wheel tailing truck + large firebox -as in the Baldwin Duplex, which _wasnt_ articulated- and, of course, the large-diameter, high-speed roller bearing drivers. N&W class A's had *twice* as many _moving parts_ as the PRR J1's, but the *same* _TE per driving axle_ ...so no advantage for the 2-6-6-4 vs 2-10-4, especially with wartime draft and labor shortages in the PRR maintenance shops. Good thing Trainz doesn't have realistic maintenance costs!!
I was wondering what it'd be like if the Pennsy chose the N&W A over the C&O T-1. I guess your rendition of the Standardized A answers my question perfectly. This is a beautiful model. I'm definitely adding this to my virtual roster, perhaps even chalk up a fictional reskin. Well done. Huh... a fictional reskin of a fictional/"what-if" engine... _Fictionception_
The thing that shocks me is how fast some of the steam locomotives could go.Forget the 35 mph.Locomotives of this time would go over 100 mph.And even freights where known to get down the line.During ww2 didn,t the santa fe get a few of n&w 2-8-8-2 and 2-6-6-4.I know I saw pictures of these locomotives in books.
These particular engines had 70" drivers, so a max speed would be in the 70-75mph range. Anything above that is stressful on the parts, but not impossible. N&W was known for using the A's on hot freights that needed higher speeds, so it's assumed these would have done the same, although the PRR M1's were the go-to's for the fast freights.
@@KLTrainz...common myth about driver diameter being directly correlated with speed in mph: 70" drivers, 70 mph... Many locos on PRR and others ran 100+ mph schedules without 100" drivers, so?
Absolutely stunning! The locomotive design was more than amazing, but the entire rendition of the engine, rolling stock and scenery made this video delightful to view again and again! Very impressive!
hey steve i have a suggestion of which engine you can remaster the reading t-1 now i know thats it only what 6-7 years old now it would still be really nice if you could and also the t-54 and s-3
What if they copied the Union Pacific's big boys A would love ta see that n hear it blow it's steam whistle n chugging down the tracks with the long body height power speed
Had this happened I do believe this locomotive would've out performed the N&W Class A and served as the PRR's trump card to keep steam going a bit longer to survive.
A locomotive we didn't even know we wanted! Great Job, Steve!
didn't expect this. as a star wars character once said "a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one"
W A S. T H A T. A P R E Q U E L. M E M E ?
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@@CharlieStudios General Kenobi!
As an N&W fan, I love how you guys expertly tried to create what very well could’ve been a PRR steam engine. I find the headlight arrangement and tender design to be the most unique, especially considering the N&W heritage of the design. Look forward to seeing future models!
I had tried to keep the engine as "N&W" as I figured the PRR would have kept it, judging by what they did with the C&O T1 turning it into the PRR J1, I did however make a few additions like the belpaire firebox and repositioning a few of the domes to change the whistle positioning like how most PRR engines tended to have it. But since it never actually happened, we never will know what it would have looked like. This is just what I had imagined!
K&L Trainz If I may ask, was this an idea you had for a while or something you just came up with?
@@connorflaherty175 I heard of this test almost 20 years ago, but never had the means to make it happen. Now that I had an N&W A class, a ton of PRR engines, and resources to make it happen, this seemed like a good time.
PRR FG-1 7663 tons hauling challenge!
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You absolute genius, you just built a new locomotive. I'll take 20.
TAKE MY MONEY NOW
Nice, I love what-ifs, they fascinate me on the basis on what if they were chosen, or what if this happened. I've got a theory going on about the triplexes.
what if they had copied more designs like a Southern Pacific GS-4 to deal with the slow development of the T1
Well, close enough to a Q2 I guess... and it's been a while since you made an articulated so..... TAKE MY MONEY!!!
Also, maybe for a possible articulated locomotive candidate, (I already suggested for this one, but I don't know if you read my comment on the WM I1 Decapod promo) maybe you can make the Delaware & Hudson's J-class 4-6-6-4 Challenger? It's an interesting and beastly locomotive.. shame none survived dieselization though, and it has never been made as Trainz content like, EVER..…. 😐
Anyway, GREAT JOB AS USUAL STEVE!!
The tender of a J challenger was used by Canadian pacific as a spare aux tender in case 2816's broke.
@@thestarlightalchemist7333 That's interesting to know, but that's not what I'm talking about.
@@rayvaul3539 also, are you excited about 3001's restoration? I am.
trainz 4460 productions Dude, the 3001 is NOT getting restored to operation. You probably got this information that was released in 2011, that’s like 8 years in the past mate. And please don’t change the subject.
K&L trainz takes commissions. Someone pays them X amount of money for their engine to be put into Trainz.
They don’t take suggestions. Check their projects list. They have Arcade and Attica 18 up next, followed by GTW 6325. These were paid by various people who wanted fantastic designs of their engine in trainz. Anything from a simple engine to an entire consist can be included, ex the 261 project might include the excursion consist or maybe some freight cars, the L1 project might include the chessie passenger train and some conventional c&o coaches, etc.
Don’t “suggest” to K&L that they should ever do anything. They won’t listen and won’t care about what you want because they have their own projects to work on, and to them it could be annoying, even. If they did take suggestions they’d be bombarded with foamers.
I heard they might've made a few other engine designs:
-FF2 2-6-6-2 (based off USRA light mallet)
-HG1 (extended and articulated version of Q1 and Q2)
-GG2 (baldwin's variant on the challenger)
-DD2/T2 (4-4-4-4 articulated mixed traffic locomotive. Name was never decided)
-P6 (basically a "K4 baltic" 4-6-4)
-AA1 (heavy articulated switcher)
-DB1 (a T1 precursor, with no streamlining or trailing truck)
Edit-I meant FF3, PRR already had FF2 electrics
I hope the list is real! HG1, DB1, and P6 will be interesting. My wishlist includes a normal Q1 though.......
@@Jones3DModelingClub thanks, bro
Awesome locomotive and a very nice promo
Anyone know the song used?
This is beautiful. We need to get Bachmann or Athearn on board.
Agreed!
Oh, alright
I'm impressed, this does look like something the Pennsy would've done had they gone with the N&W A. Now what's next, a New York Central C1a Duplex?
Yay new PRR and a new articulated locomotive two surprises in one. No rating system can handle this much awesome. Thank you Steve.
I wish the Pennsy would’ve made a real life version of this. It would make a good O Scale or Ho Scale model
Never would have thought you could make a what could have been engine for the Pennsy after experimenting with the C&O T1 and N&W A, Mr. Lerro. It kinda looks like a Pennsy Q2 but that is my opinion.
I love these kinds of "what if" fantasy locomotives. thats so cool.
“Dang Pennsy, back at it again with the *BIG TENDERS!* “
Man I want to learn how to properly pull off that shaky cam. Amazing work.
I would cry. I would seriously cry.
Thank you so much!
Pardon me, but can I also use some of the footage of the FG-1? (Video material of this concept is scarce and I could fit it Into my video alongside the Hudson you allowed me to use.)
Now this is something out if the blue, nice work, you guys have truly outdone yourselves this time, #deadimpressed
I knew something was bound to happen today when I saw that Facebook post. It's great looking locomotive and I'll definitely put it on my list of things to buy.
I love the fantasy locomotive cool to see something that should have existed but did love it guys keep up the great work
Despite it being fictional...that thing is a beast!
If this engine was chosen, then instead of the fg1 being here it would be the j1 and and the fg1 would have been built during the early days of k&l
This is the best thing I've ever seen in trainz. I wanna see more of this kind of thing, always have. Like, the what if's, the kind of stuff the S. Berliner guy was on to. Love this new model, I may get the new trainz just to download all the great stuff I've seen on this channel!
Another great surprise well done! At least we know when the next one is due! Congrats!
Long live the PRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay I'd take this over an N&W A class just for the looks
Very well done K&L Trainz! I love this "what may have been" idea! So many possibilities! I hope there will be more fantasy trains of the different railroad made by K&L Trainz, especially for Pennsy. :-) Another "what may have been" idea: A PRR Northern 4-8-4s base on the design of N&W Class J (maybe a different streamlining?)
Borrowed the WM J1 from his site and painted her in PRR lettering.
Pennsy supposedly hated the Js. Not sure why. Perhaps they were just jealous N&W had such good power?
even though it has the Pennsy three-chime, i'd still prefer the N&W's whistle, especially 1218's, considering what it's based on.
ITMCBHPBGF. Considering the J1 didn’t have a C&O hooter like C&O T1 had, I highly doubt the FG-1 would have had an N&W hooter.
That thing would have been neat.😎
An excellent video! Thanks so much for what might have been. The realism is beyond belief.
If a model train manufacturer wants to build this, I'd pre- order! Awesome job!
N&W 1218 after restoration
Wonderful job that engine would have been awesome to see in action back in the day and I wish PRR had these locomotives on the roster. I am not a fan of the Pennsylvania, but I like unique locomotives she is amazing and her whistle 2:39 3:42 also fits her perfectly. That whistle is amazing, makes a great voice for her. Nice job!!!
Not keen on the location of the bell, but other than that, this is EPIC.
It'd odd for sure, but it goes along with where it was on the PRR Q2. I wanted to make the engine as "Pennsyified" as possible, even if they probably wouldn't have gone with it there on an articulated.
Oh my goodness!!!
Yes, I would believe if a 2-6-6-4 was ever built for the Pennsylvania RR based on the N&W A 2-6-6-4, it will look exactly just like this!!!
And were did the FG come from and what's the code meaning?
And the rest of it is AWESOME!!!
Keep up the best work at your own pace, no need to be at a rush...!!!
I think that if some people sees this soon, and never seen anything like this, I think one of them might have an idea to built THIS!!!
It's explained in the video where the FG came from. They usually classed the articulated engines by the 2 existing set of wheels used in the articulated....so an F 2-6-0, and G for the reversed 4-6-0, and -1 since it was the first of it's class.
@@KLTrainz Yeah I heard that part earlier but then it didn't make much since at all... Oh I get it now!
Any idea why the Pennsy chose the way they did? You would think an articulated locomotive would be great on the curves in the mountains.
Now this is what i wish existed, Im happy with you, K&L. Happy!
they can turn 1218 into fg-1
This just makes me happy, I love the what if’s that actually make sense
I'd love to see one of these in Pennsy's freight livery. Round plate and banshee whistle. And a black/brunswick green roof, if I recall correctly. Still, amazing job on this one!
Could this mean more "What ifs" in the future? If I had money, id jump on the opportunity of an ACE3000
You have a picture of this ACE3000 locomotive?
I’m sure this type would’ve eventually replaced the 4-4-4-4; seeing that this type of articulated locomotive had less problems when the N&W used it, this could’ve very well been a fast freight/passenger locomotive on the PRR. Alas, one can o my dream. Maybe the railway would’ve been more successful if they adopted this design
The 2-10-4 did. PRR class T1 4-4-4-4's ran with a higher boiler pressure but lower TE than the Chessie design 2-10-4's - at the price of doubling the number of complex parts to be maintained...
PRR was looking for speed and efficiency, and the way to get it with most of the designs they tried was with that 4-wheel tailing truck + large firebox -as in the Baldwin Duplex, which _wasnt_ articulated- and, of course, the large-diameter, high-speed roller bearing drivers.
N&W class A's had *twice* as many _moving parts_ as the PRR J1's, but the *same* _TE per driving axle_ ...so no advantage for the 2-6-6-4 vs 2-10-4, especially with wartime draft and labor shortages in the PRR maintenance shops. Good thing Trainz doesn't have realistic maintenance costs!!
Screw it. It’s worth the money.
No was
You guys should do something similar with the T1's Original 4-4-4-4 "Camelback" design
I was wondering what it'd be like if the Pennsy chose the N&W A over the C&O T-1. I guess your rendition of the Standardized A answers my question perfectly.
This is a beautiful model. I'm definitely adding this to my virtual roster, perhaps even chalk up a fictional reskin. Well done.
Huh... a fictional reskin of a fictional/"what-if" engine... _Fictionception_
Please do the S1, the S2 turbine, or the T1!!!!
I always was a PRR steam fan, i never knew they used a class A in tests though!
Well done what a great fictional engine if the Pennsylvania Railroad did away with the Norfolk and Western Class A
Wow, I like Steve's ideas
Can you add reading and northern 425? Please it would be a great train to add and it would go with the Reading and Northern route from jointed rail!
The thing that shocks me is how fast some of the steam locomotives could go.Forget the 35 mph.Locomotives of this time would go over 100 mph.And even freights where known to get down the line.During ww2 didn,t the santa fe get a few of n&w 2-8-8-2 and 2-6-6-4.I know I saw pictures of these locomotives in books.
These particular engines had 70" drivers, so a max speed would be in the 70-75mph range. Anything above that is stressful on the parts, but not impossible. N&W was known for using the A's on hot freights that needed higher speeds, so it's assumed these would have done the same, although the PRR M1's were the go-to's for the fast freights.
@@KLTrainz...common myth about driver diameter being directly correlated with speed in mph: 70" drivers, 70 mph... Many locos on PRR and others ran 100+ mph schedules without 100" drivers, so?
Very creative. That’s what could’ve happened. But I also wonder. If this design was built, what would have been the fate of the N&W 1218.
That is a *MIGHTY* locomotive!
I wonder if you guys will every do a prr 4-4-6-4 q-1 or a Virginian 2-10-10-2
At one glorious time, the 4-6-4-4 Q2 was on the Projects list, but it since has disappeared. I miss it so.
Ha your first imaginary PRR locomotive.
Technically third if you include the Polar Express and the Eagle River 2-8-0
I meant your first imaginary locomotive from the PRR.
OH MY GOD
Absolutely stunning! The locomotive design was more than amazing, but the entire rendition of the engine, rolling stock and scenery made this video delightful to view again and again! Very impressive!
Actually... looks extremely nice.
You should totally make custom locomotives! This is amazing!
YES. THANK YOU K&L TRAINZ YOUVE JUST MADE A FANTASTIC ARTICULATED!!!
Now I wander what a PM Hudson would look like
hey steve i have a suggestion of which engine you can remaster the reading t-1 now i know thats it only what 6-7 years old now it would still be really nice if you could and also the t-54 and s-3
That is a cool Fantasy locomotive! I just think that it’s an “What If” engine!
Very cool stuff. Is all the scenery/route specialty built or Trainz stock?
The route is called monongahela and western Pennsylvania if you dont know the name
What if they copied the Union Pacific's big boys A would love ta see that n hear it blow it's steam whistle n chugging down the tracks with the long body height power speed
There is a universe where this engine was a reality, and you guys made the fictional "J1" class.
Cant wait to add it to my Railroad Roster of Steam Locomotives
the FG1 is a beauty too bad it was never built for real
steve thats a mallet type loco and steve are you using trs19 dy the way like the coco😘😘😘
First engine of the year and you definitely hit it off with a bang
But what if the Pennsylvania railroad were allowed to build a new locomotive
Had this happened I do believe this locomotive would've out performed the N&W Class A and served as the PRR's trump card to keep steam going a bit longer to survive.
Wait a minute I’m only seeing a change in the light and cab not the whistle and coupler
AMAZING LOCOMOTIVE STEVE!!
(4-4-6-4+ A locomotiva não articulada não+Q2)
This so awesome and dope man!
Wow. That is brilliant.
Hello
Great job great alternative to the c&o t1
Cool
1:25 where did you get the blueprints?!
Some one get Alco on the phone! im putting an order for 27 of the these beauties!
Whoa! That’s new!
wow that is a cool looking steam locomotive FG1 2-6-6-4 that one didn't try out yet
Diesel locomotives: the reason we can’t have nice things
Where do you find Rick?
He was a local radio announcer in my area back when I made this video. He's since retired and moved away.
Smokey the Mining Express Engine
This looks eerily like the q2 locomotive
Hi
You should have done the C&O T1 in general.
You should try making a model
*No way!*@@KLTrainz
😄👍 amazing
But that steam locomotive wasn't made yet
OMG I love the idea of "what if" steam locomotives. Keep this up please it's really fascinating
i don't know why its its really blursed