Mill Creek 20th: Pennsylvania Q2 PRR
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- The Mill Creek Central Railroad celebrated their 20th Anniversary August 08-11th, 2019. We were on hand for the meet and filmed all the visiting steam power that pounded the rails over the four day meet.
In our first video from the meet, a 1.5" scale, 7.5" gauge Pennsylvania Q2 is fired up and operated in the afternoon hours of Friday August 9th. This Q2 is a duplex locomotives which means that it has four cylinders mounted to a single rigid frame.
We hope you enjoy the video--keep an eye out for much more from the Mill Creek 20th in the coming weeks. Thanks for watching The Steam Channel!
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A whistle that doesn't sound like a toy. I'll be damned.
In my opinion, the Q2s were more interesting and cooler looking than the T1s
BLASPHEMY!
Didn't they actually work?
@@guarddog0079 yes, unlike all the other duplexes PRR owned
I find my self more interested in the t-1’ yet I do agree the q2 is more interesting
@@guarddog0079 Its the strongest Non articulated steam locomotive ever built
That electric camel back was the funniest cutest thing ever XXD
It's actually a good way to cut back on costs and maintenance if you only care about running an engine rather than what goes into making one run.
@@Honeydwarf85 hell yeah! I was actually thinking of making something like that. And putting a smoke machine in the smokebox lol
@@JackieWest11 I didn't even think of that!
He's actually a master steam builder. This engine was build for ease of transport if I'm not mistaking. Transporting a 2-10-4 is not easy and not every track can handle it. facebook.com/millcreekcentral/photos/a.432576695114/432577645114/?type=3&theater
That Q2 is a beautiful locomotive; and it runs so smoothly and quiet...it could sneak up on someone.
The engineering and the machining skills of these guys..... leaves me speechless.
@channelsixtysix066 - And they took all of that knowledge with them to the grave. I had a Great Uncle that created a K4s Pacific in
1953 in 7" guage that was my inspiration to become a Stationary Steam Engineer for 33 yrs.
@@ericgriswold1268 Such a terrible waste of knowledge that represents two or three generations worth when added up. Glad to hear you were inspired by your Great Uncle's engineering skills.
Though I'm from an electronics background, I've had a life-long appreciation for fine mechanical engineering. Not only as science and engineering, but also see its beauty as industrial art. I can only imagine how amazing that live steam model would have been.
Good to see Joe out! I was really hoping to hear her pull the grade to the top of the road!
It’ll hit the grade in part two
6:13 I approve that whistle, it made it sound like an actual PRR locomotive!
I always like the look of Pennsy locomotives.
my favorite eastern locomotive class
Dang he really poured on the steam near the end. That sucker can move if it needs to.
Yeah, he was hauling. The video doesn't do it justice.
@@TheSteamChannel Funny story, Joe said the first time he cracked the throttle on her, he almost went off the back of the tender! I think that was at Kenny King's place in Pennsylvania,
@@kleetus92 I believe it, that engine certainly has some zip to it.
@@brianrigsby7900 probably something to induce draft into the firebox like a blower.
I like how the signal system works, with the trigger posts that the drivers touch as they pass so that the signal controller knows where their trains are.
YOU SCARED ME! I THOUGHT THAT WAAS A PRESERVED Q2!
The whistle sounds good too.
Always the best videos on,THE STEAM CHANNEL
Thank you!
What an incredible collection of machinery!! The Q2 seems to be PRR's answer to the UP 4014 Big Boy. Too bad none of the originals survived. This is a real testament to ingenuity of the original builder, preserving the legacy of these mighty locomotives!!😉👍👍 My grandfather worked for the Reading Lines up until 1973 or so, putting 30+ years in as a fireman and eventually engineer of both the steam locomotives and later, the diesel-electrics.😁
A t1 duplex is being built from scratch by the t1 trust, look them up for more info
I mean, UP and PRR were operating in completely different parts of the country at that time, they weren't exactly competitors
I like how it's whistle is deep and not airy like most miniature train whistles
It's whistle is bigger than half the size of the locomotive, and it is running on actual steam too
What a BEAUTIFUL machine! :)
6:13 whoaaaa a actaul sound like a prr chime
A $50000+ loco with a passenger sitting on a bucket!!!!!! LOL!
That would be the builder...
ted volz Just like a mechanics car never runs quite right, a detailer's car is always dirty, a Carpenter lives in a mobile home and a chef eats McDonald's
The Q2 is such a cool class of steam locomotive that the Pennsylvania Railroad had. Shame that none of the original, full-sized locomotives of that class were preserved because they look huge, impressive and unique even when they're not in steam. Kudos to the one(s) who built the live steam shrunken-down replica that's shown here.
So none of these actual real life sized Q2 PRR exist now? Aww,that's so sad. I would've loved to see one. Such a fascinating locomotive. I've never seen a 4-4-6-4 before.
@@Mr.AtheTriggerGalleon6310 yeah its sad, although at least we are getting a full sized brand new T-1 maybe the 4-4-6-4 could be next.
Incredible model - possibly the finest 7.5" engine ever built! But that chair on the tender just doesn't belong....
Magnificent! Absolutely magnificent!
Very impressive craftsmanship!
Nice, that thing runs like a watch!
Wonderful video, great video, big thumbs up :)
Thank you!
Love the rainbow tanker
At Least 1 Q2 Survived Dieselization
Whoah, I've never seen one of those.
как я им Завидую! что они занимаются таким интересным делом!
Would love to see these guys make the Q1 in this scale.
Love the steam channel great work guys!!!
Thank you!
they need a Pennsy T1
This locomotive puts every other model to shame. Nothing ever came close to the Q2. Supreme effort for the most supreme extreme locomotive of any type of propulsion ever to be made or ever will be made
Very nice!
Love this channel!
Never seen an electrified camelback loco before
Righteous!!!
Cool locomotive
It would be cool if that Q2 pulled a long train
The 463 has a full scale whistle at 6:36
Nice steam locomotives man
Honestly. I would have loved to see the Real thing in preservation. Too bad I was born more than Half a Century after these Steel Beasts Rode the rails
The track is 7½ inch gauge - far out!
If only we had growth rays. Then we could build miniature versions of locomotives and then grow them to full-size! Building replicas of locomotives would be so much easier!
Would’ve been nice if a life size one was preserved, Nice Work on the vid!👍
This is weird there is a giant sitting on that Q2
WOW . If the Americans know one thing , it's how to design and build BIG ! Which was more powerful , Q1 , or Q2 ?
Q2 was but even the Q1 was very powerful to. Both were able to pull over 100 freight cars on leveled track as 50mph.
The Q1 was built with 77" drivers - not ideal for a freight engine. And the rear cylinders were underneath the firebox - very dirty location. The Q2 had 69" drivers - about perfect for a fast freighter, and correct cylinder location. It was a much improved design over the Q1. Unfortunately, they not enough better than a T1 2-10-4 to justify the cost and extra maintenence. Pity none were saved!
@@alzinn8231 non the less both locomotives where very powerful.
@@andrewiantorno6942 Of course you are correct - but there is more to the equation than just power. A Q2 cost 25% more than a J1 (sorry, I mistakenly said T1 earlier), yet it was only 10% more powerful and cost a LOT more to maintain. Don't missunderstand me - I love the Q2, but it was not economically successful by any standard. The railroad would have been much better off to order more J's.
@@alzinn8231 I still love the Q1 Q2 they may have not been prefect. But both where beautiful elegant and powerful locomotives.
Magnificent locomotive. A credit to the builder. Can someone tell me why more of these were not built for PRR. In steam days. Overseas query 🚂🚂🚂🚂
@Michael Naisbitt To answer your question, few Q2s were built due to business economics. When placed side-by-side with the PRR's other modern heavy freight steam locomotive, the J1, the Q2s were a little stronger and significantly faster, but had far higher operating and maintenance costs which offset their advantages.
The Q2 would number just 26 units, compared to the J1 which would see 125 examples built across two class variations.
I was the 300th Like,Also I loved your intro,it reminded me of Marvel. I adore steam Locomotives! Big,small doesn't matter,I adore them! I subbed!
Thank you!
Beauty... 😍😊😊😊
Interesting stuff! But I guarantee you that bucket seat will make for a sore arse!
After a while, that happens no matter what you’re sitting on in this scale.
@@TheSteamChannel That's true I suppose!
Can you guys do a video on whistles
Yes, I can keep that in mind for some point in the future.
Thanks
What a great looking engine.... are there any other articles or information on this build? im so impressed...
You should race these locomotives in a big tournament. Each train needs to pull 3 loaded passenger cars and race around your curcit (I assume you have a loop). That would be awesome
Spend 20 years building one and you’re welcome to race it.
Ha. Nah mate it looks fantastic. But instead of a race, you could do a pulling power test. Idk just thought of it.
@@zacharykoplin6543 they to that all the time. Checkout the backyard railroading group on Facebook. The winter meet at the Ridge Live Steamers is this week and guys are posting videos of h10’s with longg trains.
Question?, Is there Railroad freight yards where Steam or Diesel can change cars as part of a daily routine and still run with the paying passengers routes..
How much does that locomotive weigh? What is the top speed? How much weight do you think it could pull on a level track? Sorry for the newb questions. Love scale steam and love the channel. Keep up the great work!
Do the prototypes of this Q2, or the Cab Forward or Big Boy articulated locos have a specific timing between the front drivers and the rear drivers, or if one set slips, do they just wind up in some random timing?
Both of the sets of drivers are completely separate from each other in terms of timing. One throttle controls the steam to both engines (the term for each cylinder/driver set) and they operate independently. It does happen at times that one engine will lose traction and begin to slip while the other still grips the rails and continues to pull. It works this way in all American articulateds and duplex steam engines. You can find videos here on TH-cam that show it in action....UP Challenger 3985 is probably the most common, although there was even a video from May of this year with Big Boy 4014 losing his feet for a few seconds. I hear that Big Boys weren't known for being very slippery. There is even one famous, maybe infamous, clip that shows a Pennsy T-1 4-4-4-4 duplex in the 1940's as she looses traction on her front engine and the wheels spin up to what must be at least 100mph in an instant while the locomotive and train and rear drivers are moving at 30ish mph.
You know it because somebody made a 6:11 j class steam locomotive
So wrong that Pennsy cut up all the Q's, T's, and both S's.
That’s a weird wheel base
9:17 😳
5:09 Can anyone tell me what they’re saying?
How is the 844 build coming along?
There should be another installment in September.
The Steam Channel awsome I hope we get an update on it soon
I've posted some photos of the spring rigging progress over on the community tab. That is all completed and mounted along with the brake brackets. The trailing truck, pilot, and cylinder group castings were also just sent to Gemini So it should be a busy fall.
The Steam Channel nice hope to see it running soon
Thats a unique wheel arrangement, whats the idea behind it or was a designer just bord.
railroads didn't design engines just because they were bored lmao
@@jacobramsey7624 well, when designing any locomotive, it isn't exactly like "ok we're gonna design an engine with this wheel arrangement", it's more along the lines of "ok, we need a locomotive with this much horsepower/tractive effort/weight/can go around these curves/etc etc." and then the wheel arrangement was just kind of... a result of the requirements they were going for.
@@jamesm6638 ok. Got it. Thanks
How much does it weigh?
Q2 the strongest steam engine
Great video what are those bits of metal on those polls the drivers manipulated my guess is switch Changers or points as we call them here in Britain
Those are to claim and release the signal blocks on the railroad as it’s bidirectional running.
@@TheSteamChannel I see what's a signal block sorry that term is foreign to me
@@leohoward7282 It is a section of a railroad that is protected by signals. It would be the equivalent of between signal boxes in the UK.
@@royreynolds108 thanks it's like token exchange in the real world
Has anyone modeled a T-1 or and S-1??
A 4-4-6-4. Interesting...
6:36..were they coupled? Or did someone ram him?
Is ther an t1 in this scale?
It's possible but unlikely that anyone has built one.
👏👏👏👏👏👏
How much does one of these weigh?
Would a 7.5 T1 be about the same size as this?
This is 7.5” gauge
I know, it's 7.5 gauge but how does a PRR T1 compare to a Q1?
Judging from the T1 running gear I seen at Gemini...the engines are roughly ball park of each other. That’s only by eyeing them though
A T1 would be a hell of a sight to see
Don't get me wrong. I love this stuff and all the craftsmanship that goes into any of these locomotives. But it just seems strange to build something so cool and then just slap some worn out bass boat chair on it and then call it "done".
4-4-6-4 is an unusual arrangement isnt it?
@@Matts_Conrail_Chicago_Mainline interesting
It kinda look like q1 swapped wheels
4-4-6-4 ?
How nuch one of these go for? Looks more fun than my HO scale!
That would vary widely based on the kind of locomotive your referring to and how you’d plan on going about getting one. The H10 after the intro credits is offered ready to run for $25,000. Hiring a shop to build something like that Q2 would cost well over $50,000-$100,000.
If you plan on building an engine- you may spend $10,000-$15,000 on castings and material over 10 years, and then whatever a boiler would come out to...but you’d save all the labor costs. $1,500 a year on a project makes it more attainable if you have the skills (or are willing to teach yourself).
Is there a chance we could see a model of PRR’s S1 duplex?
I know of one under construction but it may be years away from completion.
The Steam Channel Is there an estimate on when it may be done?
Milwaukee light engineering society coming soon?
I haven’t even started those videos yet unfortunately. I’ve had events to film every weekend since the 4th of July.
美麗的機械。
Does anybody know if these models have super heated steam?
It's the builder's preference in this scale but it is not necessary and just one more thing that will need service on the engine.
What gauge is that?
7.5 inch
@@kleetus92 DANG ITS HUGE
Theyre rebuilding a problematic Duplex instead of the q2, the only One that Worked as intented
So can anyone tell me the engineering reasoning for Pennsy to make a duplex with a non-uniform set of drive wheels? Most duplexes I've seen - along with the only two classes of triplex engines - usually have the same number of axels in each set of drivers.
Well, there was no reason not to. The Q2 had ten drivers for the same reason a J1 2-10-4 Texas type had ten drivers. It was the right number of drivers for the size, weight and performance of the engine.
They clearly got it right, as the Q2 was the most powerful steam locomotive the PRR ever used, and the most successful duplex-drive engine ever built. Unfortunately, even with all that, they weren't that much more powerful than J1 and were a lot more expensive to maintain, so when freight diesels starting arriving they were near the top of the list for early retirement.
@@RedRam331 I think the reason for the duplex drive was to lighten the weight of the driving rods and reduce the size of the cylinders to reduce operating stresses of that the cylinders and rods that 2-10-4's had. There was an article in Trains Magazine back in the late 80's about this and other super power locos. I think the end result was a more complex machine that had other problems that simpler steam engines did not have and they fell to the more efficient diesels.