Most "ayurvedic" products in India are not tested and not used for medicine. And what Dr. Mike is saying is very true, you get a bunch of gurus that sell tons of product and become millionaires. They are like the télé evangelicals of India/hinduhism.
That's not true, products from certain ayurvedic Pharma companies are tested and undergoes clinical trials. That's how some medicines are rejected because of certain high mercury content. It's not for everyone as it takes an experienced ayurvedic doc who has studied ayurveda to type your body correctly . The thing it or homeo or any other alternative medicine lacks is mandatory clinical trials for all the medicines.
@@KinniePNot only Baba ramdev, all other fakes as well. India Government should bring in strict regulations for alternative medicines in India whether it be ayurveda, homeo, unani or naturopathy.
@@ElDaumo I know what you are saying. I just appreciate the way he did it you know? Like no talking over him and just listening. It's like a good debate. Kind of refreshing to see in today's media
These podcast are done by some really dumb people....go to the google and write" Charak Samhita" and see what u can find modern day surgery based on. Go on and read that book consist many things that u dont know.....and someday like TURMERIC is that is going to be patented by America ...soon the procedures in Charak Samhita is going to be patented by the overseas countries and campanies.
It was the normal keyboard warrior response of "then go research it on your own" cause they have little to no data to back up their claims. Same with every "leaky gut" specialist and crystal rubber.
I was told by a follower of this practice (an old work manager) that my stomach issues that came on at work where related to my diet, too much hot food or something, he made me do an online quiz that gave me a diet plan that he said was going to fix me. Anyway it was appendicitis.
😂 I'm sorry for laughing and I hope you are doing better, but that delivery was kind of funny. Your co-worker I hope, was informed on your real issue, although I'm guessing they weren't receptive.
@80sGamerLady thanks! I was allowed to drive myself to the hospital after I’d finished sweeping the cellar and restocking the fridges. He was annoyed I had to have an operation, sort of like I was doing it on purpose to debunk his theory. Madness.
@@ahunter3858I think the biggest problem helping alternative medicine is that lack of health professionals trying to help people. So many are over booked and true treatment takes so much time that people start to look for any relief possible. To often are people told to take some pain meds and hope it goes away, gaslit into some other symptom not related to their pain.
@@ahunter3858well, have you asked the doctor if and what effect the diet would have had? I mean just because there was a better way to treat your illness doesnt proclude some positives of your coworker approach.
I love how you two professionals sat there and through an awkward moment, there was respect, calmness, courtesy…..and conversation to hopefully lead to an answer or truth and YOU BOTH ACTED LIKE NOT ONLY PROFESSIONALS, but there was respect and understanding through the “misunderstanding”. Run for office. Both of you. Please.
I swear liberals acc have disease, do you just seek out civility or look at the context of the subject, Dr Mike is very clearly telling the other doctor that his medicine is not evidence based and not scientific that other Dr is v clearly a charlatan trying to position an anti-scientfic form of medicine as acc competent when he knows its not
As an Indian, I agree. I respect ayurveda and its approach to prevention. But not treatment. In fact ayurvedic treatments have sometimes worsened patients health
Most traditional medicinal practices (from all over the world) work best in conjunction with modern medicine, not competing or replacing it. Besides prevention there are plenty of old practices and remedies that can speed up recovery after modern medical treatment and/or improve the subjective mental state of the patient, which is rather important especially in severe and/or chronic diseases.
@@THATTTGIRLLL Diet and exercise greatly impact a person's health. Ayurveda heavily focuses on eating well and general lifestyle. If a person only depends on meds and ignores the most important aspect: Diet and Lifestyle of course no amount of meds and treatment would suffice. Besides Mose herbs used in ayurveda are part of the Indian diet. So chances are that if a person follows a healthy ayurvedic diet, they are not gonna fall sick easily. However if they do, allopathy is the only way.
@@Dr_V I think people forget that diet and lifestyle are still the greatest determinants of health. Ayurveda preaches a healthy lifestyle and helps people develop healthy habits. Hence people who adopt ayurveda after living an unhealthy lifestlye improve significantly.
I love listening to these podcasts because everyone seems to take a moment to think before they respond. That pause is so important and it feels rare nowadays.
@@hannahjoy4857 Some do, but most people do not take a moment to process what was said to them because they’re formulating what they’re going to say next while the other person is still talking….. they’re not actually listening. Too many today are not actually looking to discuss things, only to talk and say what they came to say taking nothing away with them when they leave.
Dude I’m loving your podcast because you make awkward and triggering conversations peaceful and that’s what most people need to develop: Confrontation with no hard feelings. I’m learning not just from the information but aslo on how you deliver them.
You oughta watch Dr K then. It’s different target audience but if that’s an aspect of Dr Mike you like, you’ll be blown away at how disarming and compassionate Dr K always is
Have you studied Ayurveda? Also, our pranayama is being sold by these westerners only as "breathing exercises". It's only a matter of time before they'll, permanently, have it patented in their name. Quite an irony, isn't it? First, they'll antagonize our methods and then, they'll steal it.
This was an amazing conversation between two honest and brave communicators. I loved every second! Watch the whole convo to see what effective communication looks like.
When health care and doctors have failed you for most of your life. Ayurvedic medicine and doctors that study it and it's affects on the body can be very enticing. Ayurvedic medicine and naturopathic medicines should be studied more. This could very well prove or disprove it's efficacy. Western health care failed me.
@@lisaschlieckauyou can’t disprove something. You can only prove or fail to prove repeatedly. Pretty much everything sold under the label „alternative“ has failed and failed and failed again to prove the claims that have been made. So at this point , we can dismiss it.
@@ozymandias8523 yes, ignorant people do call it that. However, people with knowledge know that modern medicine is sometimes synthesized, sometimes purified from the biological source, whichever is cheaper. Also, an educated person knows that the molecules synthesized in a lab and synthesized in an herb or any other plant are identical.
FOR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WATCH WHOLE PODCAST: why Dr. K asked that question watch the whole podcast because there was a confusion between them. While Dr. Mike was focusing on the Ayurveda practitioners and practices of today or recent past which lack scientific backing while Dr. K was focusing on the principles of Ayurveda system and beliefs and foundation it was built on.
@@abhisheksodhi1622 I am not so into Ayurveda so I have no idea about that. But that is definitely not what he was talking about. He was saying that western medicine is more focused on the population as a whole and applied it to individuals but Ayurveda treated people individually and used it to apply to a larger population. If u put it simply in Western medicine they treated disease in everyone as same and gave medicines. But Ayurveda had this idea that disease in different bodies were different as not everyone had same health status. So it was more tailormade to suit the individual. There was also diet that fit that particular patient's physiology. Dr. K was saying that this practice was essential because it ensures better results. After all the goal of progressing the medicine is this very idea of tailormade treatments.
The foundation of ayurveda is that there are three elements in the body "vaat", " Pit" , "kaf" And diseases come from imbalance of these elements in the body
While y'all focus on western medicine, I'm going to be enjoying my life with eastern medicine. I'm more happy or healthy or ever. Btw I use western medicine :). Just not exclusively
Going to Dr Mike, or Dr Max. One may prescribe something for pain &/antibiotics, say. The other prescribes alternate ice/ heat, physical therapy. U.S. Drs can't even always agree. I agree to tests, make sure I'm ok. Pain persists? My first step is bio feedback.
Going to Dr Mike, or Dr Max. One may prescribe something for pain &/antibiotics, say. The other prescribes alternate ice/ heat, physical therapy. U.S. Drs can't even always agree. I agree to tests, make sure I'm ok. Pain persists? My first step is bio feedback.
A lot of people are turning to those gurus or whatever because "western" medicine hasn't helped them. I know so many women over 40 with a slew of weird debilitating symptoms (anxiety, allergies, depression, heart palpitations, severe joint pain, etc) that no doctor connected to hormone changes. So then out of desperation they found a naturopath/functional medicine doc etc who prescribed hormones and they had a lot or total relief of symptoms.
Isn't that what more and more pharmaceutical companies are getting sued for. "Doctoring" Studies and lab results to earn billions of dollars? Sure they give warnings, contraindications, but they also give incentives to doctors to prescribe their products. If a 5,000 year old civilized people was wrong, wouldn't they have been wiped out by now? Have we read the history of Western medicine and its violent mistakes before getting to its current high brow and highly conceited moral ground. Its not even widely available to the common person. It costs too much, way too much to get help from.
@@TactlessGuy Just becuase they have differing views doesn't mean there is enmity, if anything if you knew how Dr K talks this is a common thing he does, polite directness to set the basis of the conversation so they dont get lost on the topic.
@@nivington I don't sense any passive aggression from Dr. K, just Dr. Mike. Dr. K has surely dealt with this attitude and worse from colleagues dozens of times and is used to it.
I really really appreciate this - it's good to not only show two people with opposing viewpoints having a discussion, but also showing them genuinely trying to connect, to ask questions, to understand where the other is coming from. A conversation like that can benefit both parties in a way "winning" a debate never can.
They have essentially the same view point. The only discrepancy was. Dr. Mike essentially saying the macros the focus. Well Dr. k would say I agree but the micro would offer better care individually. Both overall agree but how to utilize/move forward was more the discussion.
It's not at all awkward though, it's a very healthy discussion between two proper adults who have zero interest in a screaming match or storming out of the room. They want the discussion rather than the "win".
I think sometimes we have to lean into letting a moment feel awkward to keep a conversation healthy and productive. I agree with you that this is totally just a professional conversation, but I know past me would have struggled because of being so confrontation avoidant.
I agree with Quirkney, but i also think it's due to the perspective of the source; Dr. Mike. For Dr. K to tell Mike that the conversation was becoming very antagonistic, implies that Mike was the source of it, which makes it awkward for Mike because he was probably disappointed by his own actions. That he didn't do as good of a job of keeping calm as he would have expected himself to. Mike strikes me as someone who has high standards, for himself more than anyone else, and for someone this well versed in psychology to say that to you, you know they're not saying it because they want to "win" the debate or to put you down. Dr. K said it because it was true and should be acknowledged. Mike is also usually very calm but if he feels people are being wronged it's natural that he would be passionate and feel strongly about the topic because it's essentially in defense of others. I know i've had conversations where i've had to defend my own actions or the actions of someone else where i felt strongly and it definitely wasn't the best i'd ever done because i couldn't stay as level-headed as i would otherwise be able to.
Both of them were furious at this moment and trying not to show it. And both of them knew that the conversation needed to change in tone and direction. It is VERY tense. VERY. Dr. Mike is still quite angry even at the end, but Dr. K is capitulating to redirect the aggression. This is an extremely awkward moment.
It is very awkward, you can clearly see what the Indian man is trying to do. You don’t have to be ignorant and politically correct ALL the time. You won’t survive like that
My brother's friend is a certified ayurvedic doc, and what i learned from him is that ayurveda helps a person in embracing healthy life style rather than treating any illness which can be effectively done by conventional medicines. So many people have a wrong belief that ayurveda can treat illness like jaundice or cancer, which is absolutely wrong. To some extent, I do agree with Dr. Mike that many times, someone just advertises the ayurvedic products without strong evidence and misguide the patients.
To my knowledge, modern medicine does not have any cure for jaundice. Ayurveda has. Not saying that Ayurveda can replace modern medicines altogether. It can certainly complement. Mike seems to have strong opinions about Ayurveda without ever studying it. And he expects to “study “ Ayurveda which typically is a 5 year course in a 30 min podcast. That’s hilarious
Every single doctor does this, encouraging a healthy lifestyle. People just don’t listen. People go to the doctors, hear that they need to eat their broccoli, continue to not eat their broccoli, then ask for the pill. What you mean is that your brothers friend only gives holistic advice.
This comment is poison in its self. Ayuvedic medicine helps avoid disease by treating the body as a whole by using plants as medicine. Conventional medicine only is interested if it can patent something and you cant do this to.plants and herbs. Thr cdc shut down every natural remedy that treated cvd or boosted the immune system that wasnt the vx because they werent making money on it
@@evanr5871yeah, being a "certified" ayurvedic "doc" is like being a certified Bigfoot expert. A master of nothing real, and verified by the other insane members of your cult. Woo nonsense, wrapped in a veneer of Eastern mysticism. I think it's probably just fear of seeming racist that it escapes derision so much, the same as acupuncture and TCM, and reiki. Other countries have insane people too, and sometimes they make up health "treatments". Nothing racist about calling it BS.
I don't think US has the right anymore to declare which medical research is bias after COVID. They lost all standing as the authority on medical integrity.
@@lokendrasingh6760 It's Ayush. You don't even know that it's been regulated and researched for centuries. Indian doctor Sushruta invented Plastic surgery, cataract surgery etc and practiced Ayurveda. Many Europeans came to him to learn his methods and that's how they spread globally. India was a pioneer when it came to medicines, herbs etc historically and even today it's called the Pharmacy of the World. *It's kinda silly to downplay Ayurveda just cuz it's non-west.* It has the oldest documented texts when it comes to medicines and herbs.
I think it’s important to remember that Dr. K primarily practices western medicine, and just incorporates some alternative practices he feels are beneficial into his psychiatric practice. He’s not a quack or a huckster.
And just like your regular psychiatrist, he can only fix and give advice on a surface and generalized manner. Anything deep it's almost always the patient managing to overcome their mental issues, as the only thing psychiatrists do is encourage behaviors and patterns which they believe will help fix the issues. Psychology is still borderline pseudo-science.
Dr. Mike has come so far from where he started, and still manages to stay grounded and committed to his principles as a practicing physician. Dude is super impressive for that
Still thinking about this episode several days later. Seriously so good, worth the two hours and totally support y'all doing further episodes together!!
He literally patronized him and said he felt threatened over a calm conversation... just because he asked for data... it apparently went right over your head along with all the people that liked you unintelligent comment😅
As a herbalist I agree with him, I've had so many people come to me saying "Im tired, I must be low in iron" and I spin them back to the door telling them to go to their doctor and get some blood work done. Low iron can have all sorts of side effects but high iron, to you die. There's also a million reasons that you could be tired. I've had lots of people who were sent to me by their doctor.
And honestly, nothing is wrong with suggesting ginger in your tea for nausea or adding turmeric to foods to help with IBS. It's the people pushing BS with no medical insight. Keep doing what you're doing, glad to see you working with medicine not against it❤️
You are a herbalist You don’t know nothing about ayurveda What is a charaka samhita?sushruta Samhita? Okay atleast vata?pita?kapha? Anything? So you don’t have a say in this A real Ayurvedic person would know all this And you don’t know any of this so you don’t get to say if he is correct
As an Indian and practicing medical professional , agree with him 100 percentage about what he said. Ayurveda needs more scientific research to consolidate it better in health care. No testing no liscne, anyone is making medicines in the name of Ayurveda.
What ever nature provided needs to be tested . ? Why. ? Human brain is bigger than Universal cosmos n Mother earth. Heights of jokers who doesn't know medical systems n medical treatment n medicines are talking here. Also scientific research is bigger than Mother Earth. Wow.
Anyone is not making medicine here People are doing it for hundreds of years, after the development of modern medicine these people becoming fools Otherwise few decades back this was the actual medicine that helped the society So understand it before judging it Anyways whether ayurveda or modern medicine both are useless in chronic lifestyle diseases Modern medicine is wonderful in emergency and surgeries, and to prevent and cure communicable diseases And ayurvedic medicine are just neither good for communicable diseases nor any lifestyle diseases Healthy lifestyle(completely avoiding bad habits), means healthy and balanced foods, physical workout, sleep and mental health awareness are the only permanent solution for chronic diseases No medicine is sustainable solution for chronic health issues
And moreover it has been said that a lot of ayurvedic medicines have the same composition as western medicine like paracetamol, cetirizine etc. so they're just conning us in the name of ayurveda
No it doesn’t, science only validates your fear of not believing. That’s your own fault, belief( placebo effects ) has a big power when it comes to healing/ destroying oneself. Believe you aren’t worthy you will be unworthy, search and have hope, you can and will heal.
@@AyeAre196lmao let’s see whether you your fav baba goes to an ayurvedic or a medical hospital when he is in an Emergency 😂 like the Sadhguru who was bla3 this that about ayurvedic and got admitted to a Medical Hospital when he had a stroke
This is an example of how two grown adults are able to communicate properly, understand each others perspectives, disagreeances, and be open minded to hearing learning something new
There have been more examples of Dr. Mike being close minded, not just here. I don't think he is very scientific like most western doctors. The rest of you may know it before the end.
saw the whole thing!! it was so informative, as an Indian who have been confused about this as well, this gives a lot of clarity and clears up the concept for easy understanding too..its true that a lot of practices like usage of herbs- turmeric is practiced in households as well (my mom uses turmeric on cuts and such) so its kind of engraved, some of these things, and we do them just out of habit sometimes. this was a very interesting approach to the topic. Kudos!
Skepticism requires honest look. How many books has he read on d matter? How many practitioners has he met and had honest conversation?? This is his first it seems. And this is a psychologist. That’s not skepticism. Which is fine. B honest that u don’t know
@@RojaJaneman”Skepticism requires an honest look”. Agreed. An honest look, check out the evidence, maybe organise trials with randomised population groups, then peer review the studies we have on the topic to remove bias- …wait a second this is just medical science.
@@clickpause8732 yeah basic science where pharma companies buy out experts/doctors/researches and politicians. That science?? Where they sell drugs like candy? Where insurance and politicians create system that keeps people sick? Or experiment on them with drugs?? That science?? U mean snake oil cartels??
Most of the time, Ayurveda seems to focus more on preventing diseases and infections rather than treating them. These preventive measures are often based on natural accuracy, while treatments are pursued after an infection has occurred.
@@AI3Dorinte there's a whole branch in medicine that is about lifestyle. Lifestyle Medicine or like we say in my country Medicina do Estilo de Vida. It focuses on how someone's health may be related to their lifestyle
@@Fernando-ek8jpyes. There are licensee for Ayurvedic practices. Someone without one is most likely trying to scam you especially if its a serious illness.
This was a cool video to watch. I ended up watching the full one during a depression slump and it successfully got me interested and for that I am infinitely grateful.
I don't know why anyone would interview with Dr. Mike, he constantly does exactly this. Cuts up his interviews to shorts that make him look smart and perfect. Every time, don't think I've ever seen a clip of him admitting he was wrong, or being humble. Not a single one. He still hasn't admitted he was wrong for his COVID posts, yet wants people to "trust" him. He's the filter heavy instagram chick for doctors.
Yes I'm glad you noticed also, I believe the clip distorted the interview to rile up the youtube commenters and increase the subscriber to video interaction for more revenue, most of the clip was on the concept of informed consent as a means of improving physician-patient interaction regarding alternative medicine. Whoever edited the clip is an evil genius.@@saberswordsmen1
This is literally "whatabouitism". I'm sure they could have a discussion about poor practices in the pharma industry, but that's not what they were discussing. The fact there are some dodgy pharma practices does not get alternative quacks off the hook. It's like saying, "Ok, bloke A robbed someone, but what bout bloke B, he killed someone!" They're both still guilty of a crime and we don't let one off for the fact of the other.
@@aduntoridas010 Hey fucknuckle, I gave you a perfect example of why it's not cheap, so who can't handle rebuttals? It might as well be a logical fallacy - it's very much like the slippery slope where the link to the thing that is not actually what you're specifically talking about is spurious and meant to misdirect from that original thing. I've got absolutely no problem with people criticising pharma companies for dodgy practices, go read Dr Ben Goldacre's book Bad Pharma (and Bad Medicine before it for a look at poorly performed medical science) if you want a readable round-up. But in exactly the same way as bad pharma practices don't somehow make homeopathy or astrology or reiki actually work, neither does referring to them excuse people employing or promoting Ayurvedic or any other non-evidence-based alternative "medicine".
I agree even though I’ve been helped more by natural medicine and hurt more by conventional medicine. His points are true especially about people taking advantage. Many people do not use discernment and research
Man, i felt that they were talking about two adjacent topics almost the whole stream but i think they met at the end and could understand eachother to discuss better their experiences.
I've already blocked his channel because he seems to enjoy talking about things that aren't from his line of study, and his inability to recognise that he is severely under informed cannot be pointed out enough. He's two steps from quackdom. One hopes someone gets him off that path.
@@DembaiVT that does not mean he is necessarily doing a bad thing- as long as he brings only real professionsals on the show everything is still valid.
@@andrewdurst8455there's a solid difference between an argument and a confrontation. Dr. K's mean of communication is meant to connect, open, and understand. There's nothing wrong with trying to understand.
Maybe because this was edited out, but I don't think this conversation was awkward at all. In fact you both had a very respectful and mature way of conversing on a topic from different perspectives.
Literally agree, listened to it yesterday nd Dr. K had so many good points, feel like this is kind of trying to make him look worse than he actually was..
I lost Dr. K when he said Indians understood micro biology as they ate with their right hand and cleaned their backside with the left. You just call that common sense, even a caveman would do that.
Subject notwithstanding, this was a masterclass in conflict resolution from both Drs 👍 Especially in context of the episode. They were spinning their wheels on this topic for about 20 minutes, then Dr K invited Dr Mike to step back for a bit with this question and Dr Mike showed enough self-awareness. Thus a confrontation turned into productive discussion 👍
@@Noah-jb9om Yeah and he abused his psych reputation to manipulatively hit at Mike's emotions instead of respectfully bringing the tension down like they were equals
Depends. R u expecting research papers in western based academia?? D one that directly denies such subjects and people entry?? Which literally has lobbied and funded laws against such doctors and institutions for centuries?? This includes burning them as “witches” and literal imprisonment and draconian punishments. They’d even take their assets when they wouldn’t bend.
props to your Dr.Mike for your integrity and honesty. Very humble and brave to be so transparent, especially in the public eye. i appreciate how you conduct yourself.
I’m glad doctor mike asked him about this because whenever dr k brought up Ayurvedic medicine or like mediation as treatment or stuff, it always seemed to go straight off a cliff. Like saying stuff back by science, saying stuff backed by science, and then all the sudden it’s what some monk told him and he’s taking that at the same level of evidence as proper scientifically tested stuff, and it always made me question if he was a grifter. And I had never seen anyone ask him questions about this, it seemed like everyone agreed with him so I was sitting here like “am I crazy”
If you include mindfulness along with eating proper diet food while being treated for any desease with medicines it speeds up your recovery in pretty much every way
@@asifdilawar1044 Yes, it's common knowledge that a peaceful mind, heart and soul with proper nutrition will heal faster than one who is stressed and/or on a poor diet. We already know how stress affects immunity, meaning that immunity functions less properly giving way to illnesses. The point is that Dr K kept saying it's "Backed by Science" without having the EVIDENCE of it and then switching it off to "A Monk Said it". That in it of itself is Odd Behaviour.
@@asifdilawar1044 Mindfulness practices are not a panacea and even have some contraindications. Also, from "mantain a proper diet" to "follow ayurvedic dogma" there's a HUGE leap.
The missing context is that Dr. Mike came in with the perception that everything in that Eastern medicine framework was bullshit. He wasn't open to hearing evidence that anything about it might have some value. Dr. K was never advocating for that system of medicine in its entirety, but I see why people might think that, from this short clip!
Most modern medicine uses herbs with natural properties for example primrose oil in vitamin E tablets, clove oil for dental issues, neem for antibacterial purposes, etc.
@@BiggieChungulus Being mutually respectful doesn't make both of them right. Dr. Mike did spent multiple hours trying to politely say "cut the bullshit".
That's - in my opinion - the way it should be in treatment. Use everything that might work well and doesn't do harm. No matter if there's a placebo effect involved, because even a placebo effect is an effect that betters something.
@@ExhaltiaAdding on to what @Ineksi said, there's a new, revolutionary approach to treatment that not only focuses on curing a patient's physical ailments, but also how their state of mind can be impacted during the treatment process. It's called holistic treatment, and it's not commonly known, and studies into how spirituality and religion help patients with terminal illnesses found that they were able to have greater peace of mind when coming to terms with their new reality. The afterlife may seem far into the future for many of us, but for those who face their impending mortality, an unsettled state of mind is the last thing that should affect their treatment. If you want further explanation, feel free to ask and I'll do my best to help! Disclaimer: I am not a medical professional nor currently studying medicine. I will not provide advice on how to live your life or diagnose an illness you may seem to have, nor imply that I want to make the affronts that I listed above. As an individual, I can only express my enthusiasm about this subject, and in no way do my opinions reflect the stances of my workplace or my school. What my opinions do reflect is the product of my short-lived experiences, and as an individual, I acknowledge that I am entitled to my biased opinions and you are to yours. Any ad hominem attacks and hasty, sweeping generalizations linking my biased, opinionated statements to any communities that I represent that do not contribute any convincing counterarguments or evidence to the discussion at hand will receive no response from me. Thank you 🙏
I love how gracefully Mike just takes and agrees with “I’m not talking to someone with an open mind”. This is even a highlight of the show for Mike. I feel like people think open-mindedness is about behavior, but it absolutely isn’t. A lot of viewers might not even be able to tell Mike was antagonistic or anything like that because we’re so used to that looking like a shouting match. That absolutely isn’t the case and both Dd. Mike and Dr. K know it. God this is so good
It was a great interview, but I could only get through half of it. I had hoped they would get around to discussing how compassion and critical thinking has been lost to capitalism.
@@johncaccioppo1142 Ah yes, criticizing capitalism, the lowest fruit of political discussion that every midwit has to ham-fist into every other topic of discussion.
Yeah! A lot of people argue instead of simply exchanging ideas that may not even be fully formed opinions yet. But he obviously was antagonistic because he felt like this practice was ignorant
i wouldn't have called this an awkward moment bc this is actually a very respectful interaction (that still has bite) where you two actually try to understand each other, and that's exactly how a discussion should be
I think it was awkward because he does have an open mind and was hoping to learn something from this dude but he was unable to provide evidence so he didn't learn anything.
I love to see how much mature this conversation of them showing that they are literally listening to each other's side. Wish people were like this on a daily basis.
The shared minds of these two professionals getting together is almost a cosmic explosion of possibilities. Butting heads isn’t all bad. Debate is healthy and necessary.
My mom is actually an Ayurvedic health counselor and she has helped many many people. One of her clients was having very un regular periods. My mother’s treatment fixed this very quickly. I understand some people could be trying to scam and take advantage, but those who truly try to help people should be taken more seriously.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED the turning point of how Dr. K noticed the unintended confrontational tension that was building up & didn't immediately assume negative things & go on to make probably wrong conclusions. Rather he got curious to actually understand were the blockade in the communication was & he handled it so well that it turned out to be insightful to both of them, in that thay both got the opportunity to realise the underlying cause or concern of why they were struggling to connect❤that's real professional communication❤. I commend u both for handling it this way & sharing with us the benefit of your respective insights & expertise in both worldviews on medicine. Even if this was the only portion someone watched it would be a wonderful lesson to take on effective communication skills for life💖. Thanks
The problem is there is no funding, data or research for ayurvedic medicine. Hard to pull data that's comparable to studies funded by big pharma or western medicine
This is the most forthright sincere interview I’ve ever seen. It begs for clarity in the midst of potential conflict, and responds even if it meant looking foolish. The way each guy neither denies, nor holds too dearly to each others biases is admirable. It should be what most journalists should strive for during interviews. (Ironically Dr Mike isn’t a journalist)
i love to know even professionals have convos where they sound like they're disagreeing but are actively agreeing with each other. it's so important to both of them to be understood it's fascinating. This happens with me and my friends all the time
The fundamental understanding of current modern healthcare, is an oxymoron. In the west we don’t practice healthcare, we practice disease management. Healthcare would be what Aryuvedic medicine would be. Maintenance of good health. Creating balance and proper working order of systems and the body as a whole. The AMA wants nothing to do with that. There’s no money in it. Western culture has used food, water, air, and movement for centuries. When it’s common to see people in a “third world country” still living to 100 on a regular basis, we shouldn’t discount it, but study it. And when it comes to “gurus” and quackery, our medical malpractice statistics are staggering!
Was about to say the same thing… keeping in mind that Ayurveda is very old practice … majority of it revolves around healthy lifestyle rather than cures to major diseases… at least that’s what us Indians who grew up in this day and age are taught … I would rather choose to find a balance between allopathy and Ayurvedic practice… have to be very sensible and practical to know when to consider what …
Absolutely true, Ayurveda focuses on overall health a lot more in its approach. It must be used accordingly and together with other available knowledge for best use.
No ayurveda is not health care 😂 Study Hindu books to understand What sht written in those about health care Those books they teach in ayurveda University Which creates many fake gurus Like Ram dev His empire is $8 billon He got Govt support He funds that political party And many advantages for politicans in the name social service like saving their black money at these gurus ashrams Now they think they are above supreme court of India Read his recent case
You talk as western healthcare doesn't suggest lifestyle improvements which makes your statement very dramatic. It is okay to encourage people for ayurvedic medicine but it is crazy to compare it with scientific facts
You were trying to say: "They build high tension when together". That's cause they can withstand a critical conversation that is nuanced, without falling out. But both of them can be relaxed, too.
Doctor mike “i don’t trust it so i brought you here to tell me more information on it as an expert” Him “you just dont have an open mind if you studied about it more you would trust it” Doctor Mike “that’s why I brought you here”
Its a bit more nuanced in the full video. Because Dr.K is actively trying to explain it in favour of Doctor Mike, the issue is that nothing goes through and he continuously demanding a "yes its good you're wrong" type of answer, to the point Dr.K feels like its getting nowhere.
Jesus, watch the whole podcast. They are both agreeing on the topic but Doctor mike keep pushing back whenever something is labeled as Eastern medicine. This is why he pointed this out. Dr. K: so medicine is an art because A Dr. Mike: yes, I agree Dr. K: so one advantage of eastern medicine is because they incorporate A Dr. Mike: ok but A isn't evidence-based medicine
There is some context to this exchange beforehand which stems from a misunderstanding between the two of them, regarding the other person. You should try to watch the full interview, its actually pretty interesting.
It was a little frustrating because I don't think Dr Mike was ever open to Ayurveda, and will never be until there is serious data showing its efficacy. His concern that there is no data or standardization is valid and Dr K agreed with it wholeheartedly, so there was no reason for Dr Mike to remain hostile to the idea. He couldn't divorce the practice from the practitioners.
@@SilkyThickI feel sad that Dr. Mike isnt open to it. I feel that there are many parts of Ayurveda that do work, a lot that don't too, but it's just not being studied as much as it should be
@@Mario_Lugo did you watch/listen to the whole interview? That was major point that was brought up, actually not long after this moment, if I recall correctly.
@@Mario_Lugo The whole body approach is what really needs to be adopted more than anything. When I'm troubleshooting an electronic system, something vastly simpler than the human body, I'm not just diagnosing the thing that's malfunctioning I'm checking every component of the system related to the thing that's gone wrong as well. That and the principle that "food is medicine," once you figure out how to incorporate ingredients that naturally have medicinal properties into your daily meals you will find a wellness of being that, even if you were perfectly healthy beforehand, will only elevate you more.
@@Ididdk99most serious practitioners of ayurveda will agree with you that it’s not a medicinal science anymore. It used to be based on anecdotal evidence when medical science was in its infancy. Today ayurveda is more about lifestyle and maintenance of health. Any hack selling magic pills is just lying to you.
Just because you’re asking for proof or an exclamation that makes logical sense using the scientific method.. doesn’t mean you have a closed mind.. Mike clearly has an open mind and is willing to take in any information and make logical decision on it.. It’s not like he’s shutting off anything immediately. That guy is being manipulative and like gaslighting Mike… he’s guilty him saying oh you have a closed mind. That’s why. I don’t know if he’s in denial or he’s on the scams, but that’s not OK.
It was also a bit defective. "You should study more into it" Sure, maybe the principles are good and nice but are they backed by evidence? Should I pivot my medical career to incorporate them when there are alternatives that have been extensively researched and proved? If I'm irreligious and find a nice teaching from a religion but still don't buy into the religion, does it actually make sense not to offer evidence for its validity rather than just asking someone to "study more" into it? When do I stop? Why is your particular one the one I should devote my time and efforts into?
@Nelis1324 You have to watch the whole interview. Dr. Mike was being closed-minded initially, but he corrected himself towards the end. BTW, even faith requires evidence. Blind faith is for the naive, not the religious. ✌🏽
@ironically_iconic9848 I agree that most religions miss the mark. But when an "old book" is backed by science, it's no longer myths and fairytales. The water cycle, the Earth being a sphere (not flat), and the fact that it needs nothing to hold it up right is all in the Bible and has been confirmed by science. Ancient civilizations and rulers mentioned in the Scriptures have also been confirmed by archeology. That's why I love my religion. We don't do "blind faith."
It wasn't a debate though. They're on the same side. XD Mike was turning it into a debate. This was the moment Dr. K brought attention to Mike's growing attitude, and diffused the situation. Lots of people who watched it were very put off by Mike's attitude, until this moment. The rest of the chat is much more chill.
- Asks about why someone thinks a certain way - gets the answer - adjust his viewpoint on the cknversation and moves forward This is a masterclass in conversation.
There is degree for ayurveda doctor.. Private companies invest later, monk use to invest till now , as a part of natural healing ... If you has neem tree you need less gastric medicine .. Top pharma company doesn't like any herbal medicine from any nation
@@Nerazmus also came to Kerala , uttarkhand .. or any good ayurvedic hospital ..... And see it .. those hospital runs from many years .. many ayurvedic knowledge was lost because of our history ... When you have super herbs then better to use chemical free product ... Came here and see it by your own ... But ayurvedic had some limitations .. in today's first life allopathy saves time and allopathy range is incomparable ..
@@Nerazmus come see it .. if a civilization runs from thousands year then must be they had some herbal knowledge .... Many parts of world lost that science ... Still had in India ....
@@avijitgoswami3082 Already saw it. These kinds of nutjobs that are selling snake oil as medicine exist everywhere. What do you think herbs are made out of? That's right chemicals.
The power of our minds to health or disease is incredible. Meditation & resolution of challenges isn't what MDs learn in med school. I'm reluctant to fo to the clinic where meds are prescribed before, say types of foods are even discussed, though? Pain meds, pills for sleep instead of bio feedback? Physician - heal thyself.
Being open minded is not about accepting everything that gets present to you. It's always about asking questions about everything you learn or discover and learn from it until you know enough to have an opinion about it.
I had to stop watching dr k. He uses too much woowoo nonsense and never gives proofs. He also talks outside his wheelhouse way too often. Often giving extremely bad advice.
As someone with a physically disabled father that benefitted a lot from both western science and “alternative medicine”, its EXTREMELY important to get your advice from the right sources and use both in relation to each other. certainly alternative medicine techniques and remedies helped him regain a lot of his movement and relieved his pain, and so did western medicine. we are lucky enough that our family friend is a very traveled and educated doctor who guided and advised my dad to live a healthy life with the help of both.
Ayurvedic medicine in history worked on the system that of free healthcare. You don’t pay for the work but instead you give a donation if you’d like. Which is standard courtesy but still a important note. The job was on the doctor to heal you. In todays India that principal is much different. What is called Ayurvedic now isn’t what it once was. That collection of self evident truths is rare to find in that world. It’s not something you can study with datapoints because most of the conception has been lost to time.
Most "ayurvedic" products in India are not tested and not used for medicine.
And what Dr. Mike is saying is very true, you get a bunch of gurus that sell tons of product and become millionaires. They are like the télé evangelicals of India/hinduhism.
Baba Ramdev leaving the chat 💀💀
That's not true, products from certain ayurvedic Pharma companies are tested and undergoes clinical trials. That's how some medicines are rejected because of certain high mercury content. It's not for everyone as it takes an experienced ayurvedic doc who has studied ayurveda to type your body correctly . The thing it or homeo or any other alternative medicine lacks is mandatory clinical trials for all the medicines.
@@KinniePNot only Baba ramdev, all other fakes as well. India Government should bring in strict regulations for alternative medicines in India whether it be ayurveda, homeo, unani or naturopathy.
@@CaptainJeanLucPicard Yup, totally agreed.
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This is how you have a conversation. He asked, he listened, he responded. Love it
He didnt really answer that much, but media trained his way out of some important points tbh
@@ElDaumo I know what you are saying. I just appreciate the way he did it you know? Like no talking over him and just listening. It's like a good debate. Kind of refreshing to see in today's media
@@razldazl8292 tonally I agree, but man. Those were some lame answers when you look at it in terms of content.
These podcast are done by some really dumb people....go to the google and write" Charak Samhita" and see what u can find modern day surgery based on. Go on and read that book consist many things that u dont know.....and someday like TURMERIC is that is going to be patented by America ...soon the procedures in Charak Samhita is going to be patented by the overseas countries and campanies.
It was the normal keyboard warrior response of "then go research it on your own" cause they have little to no data to back up their claims. Same with every "leaky gut" specialist and crystal rubber.
I was told by a follower of this practice (an old work manager) that my stomach issues that came on at work where related to my diet, too much hot food or something, he made me do an online quiz that gave me a diet plan that he said was going to fix me. Anyway it was appendicitis.
😂 I'm sorry for laughing and I hope you are doing better, but that delivery was kind of funny. Your co-worker I hope, was informed on your real issue, although I'm guessing they weren't receptive.
@80sGamerLady thanks! I was allowed to drive myself to the hospital after I’d finished sweeping the cellar and restocking the fridges. He was annoyed I had to have an operation, sort of like I was doing it on purpose to debunk his theory. Madness.
@@ahunter3858I think the biggest problem helping alternative medicine is that lack of health professionals trying to help people. So many are over booked and true treatment takes so much time that people start to look for any relief possible. To often are people told to take some pain meds and hope it goes away, gaslit into some other symptom not related to their pain.
@@ahunter3858well, have you asked the doctor if and what effect the diet would have had?
I mean just because there was a better way to treat your illness doesnt proclude some positives of your coworker approach.
@@ChJuHu93There is no "treating" appendicitis, you either cut out the appendix or you die. 😂 That's the treatment
I love how you two professionals sat there and through an awkward moment, there was respect, calmness, courtesy…..and conversation to hopefully lead to an answer or truth and YOU BOTH ACTED LIKE NOT ONLY PROFESSIONALS, but there was respect and understanding through the “misunderstanding”. Run for office. Both of you. Please.
I swear liberals acc have disease, do you just seek out civility or look at the context of the subject, Dr Mike is very clearly telling the other doctor that his medicine is not evidence based and not scientific that other Dr is v clearly a charlatan trying to position an anti-scientfic form of medicine as acc competent when he knows its not
Presidency is not a hell I would wish on anyone lmao - It defangs them.
Only one professional here 💀
We did not watch the same video
@@Dragonspeak30 no one wants that job. Agreed.
As an Indian, I agree. I respect ayurveda and its approach to prevention. But not treatment. In fact ayurvedic treatments have sometimes worsened patients health
Most traditional medicinal practices (from all over the world) work best in conjunction with modern medicine, not competing or replacing it. Besides prevention there are plenty of old practices and remedies that can speed up recovery after modern medical treatment and/or improve the subjective mental state of the patient, which is rather important especially in severe and/or chronic diseases.
And mainstream medicines don't have enough data of worsening patients' health??
@@THATTTGIRLLL Diet and exercise greatly impact a person's health. Ayurveda heavily focuses on eating well and general lifestyle. If a person only depends on meds and ignores the most important aspect: Diet and Lifestyle of course no amount of meds and treatment would suffice. Besides Mose herbs used in ayurveda are part of the Indian diet. So chances are that if a person follows a healthy ayurvedic diet, they are not gonna fall sick easily. However if they do, allopathy is the only way.
@@sumanh9750 They are researched and talked about more. At least there is formal data and record keeping
@@Dr_V I think people forget that diet and lifestyle are still the greatest determinants of health. Ayurveda preaches a healthy lifestyle and helps people develop healthy habits. Hence people who adopt ayurveda after living an unhealthy lifestlye improve significantly.
I love listening to these podcasts because everyone seems to take a moment to think before they respond. That pause is so important and it feels rare nowadays.
Most podcasts edit out the pauses
@@hannahjoy4857Shorts*
A podcast should be unedited.
On social media i feel attacked bullied on daily basis bcoz oof rude comments 😢
@@hannahjoy4857 Some do, but most people do not take a moment to process what was said to them because they’re formulating what they’re going to say next while the other person is still talking….. they’re not actually listening. Too many today are not actually looking to discuss things, only to talk and say what they came to say taking nothing away with them when they leave.
@@dynamogaming4953 People disagreeing with you I’d not bullying.
Dude I’m loving your podcast because you make awkward and triggering conversations peaceful and that’s what most people need to develop: Confrontation with no hard feelings. I’m learning not just from the information but aslo on how you deliver them.
You oughta watch Dr K then. It’s different target audience but if that’s an aspect of Dr Mike you like, you’ll be blown away at how disarming and compassionate Dr K always is
@@jasondavis7913As evidenced here
As an Indian doctor, I 200% agree with Dr. Mike.
What does you being indian have to do with any of this. Your POV is same as any doctor until and unless you have studied ayurveda as an indian
@@pointythecactus5469 Because Ayurveda medicine comes from India and they are Indian. Put two and two together and you will get four.
Have you studied Ayurveda? Also, our pranayama is being sold by these westerners only as "breathing exercises". It's only a matter of time before they'll, permanently, have it patented in their name. Quite an irony, isn't it? First, they'll antagonize our methods and then, they'll steal it.
@@pointythecactus5469 she definitely has not studied ayurveda for sure.
As a Judaic doctor - I hold all opinions to be biased.
This was an amazing conversation between two honest and brave communicators. I loved every second! Watch the whole convo to see what effective communication looks like.
The beautiful and intelligent discourse we need in these trying times
Where to watch the whole thing?
This was horseshit. Dr M shouldn't of even given this huckster the time of day
When health care and doctors have failed you for most of your life. Ayurvedic medicine and doctors that study it and it's affects on the body can be very enticing. Ayurvedic medicine and naturopathic medicines should be studied more. This could very well prove or disprove it's efficacy. Western health care failed me.
@@lisaschlieckauyou can’t disprove something. You can only prove or fail to prove repeatedly. Pretty much everything sold under the label „alternative“ has failed and failed and failed again to prove the claims that have been made. So at this point , we can dismiss it.
You know what we call evidence-based alternative medicine? "Medicine"
People keep looking for alternatives because we've stopped following the evidence to protect certain companies.
I caught that reference, lol.
No, we call their synthesized version medicine.
@@ozymandias8523 yes, ignorant people do call it that. However, people with knowledge know that modern medicine is sometimes synthesized, sometimes purified from the biological source, whichever is cheaper. Also, an educated person knows that the molecules synthesized in a lab and synthesized in an herb or any other plant are identical.
@@eininw that's exactly what I'm saying. Pay attention to whom I'm responding.
FOR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WATCH WHOLE PODCAST:
why Dr. K asked that question watch the whole podcast because there was a confusion between them. While Dr. Mike was focusing on the Ayurveda practitioners and practices of today or recent past which lack scientific backing while Dr. K was focusing on the principles of Ayurveda system and beliefs and foundation it was built on.
The foundation of ayurveda is on vaat pit and kuf which is also unscientific
@@abhisheksodhi1622 I am not so into Ayurveda so I have no idea about that. But that is definitely not what he was talking about. He was saying that western medicine is more focused on the population as a whole and applied it to individuals but Ayurveda treated people individually and used it to apply to a larger population.
If u put it simply in Western medicine they treated disease in everyone as same and gave medicines. But Ayurveda had this idea that disease in different bodies were different as not everyone had same health status. So it was more tailormade to suit the individual. There was also diet that fit that particular patient's physiology. Dr. K was saying that this practice was essential because it ensures better results. After all the goal of progressing the medicine is this very idea of tailormade treatments.
The foundation of ayurveda is that there are three elements in the body "vaat", " Pit" , "kaf" And diseases come from imbalance of these elements in the body
Doesn’t make a difference all horse 💩
While y'all focus on western medicine, I'm going to be enjoying my life with eastern medicine. I'm more happy or healthy or ever.
Btw I use western medicine :). Just not exclusively
Dr.Mike always makes a good point! Too many people taking advantage of people who are desperate for answers about their health.
Going to Dr Mike, or Dr Max.
One may prescribe something for pain &/antibiotics, say.
The other prescribes alternate ice/ heat, physical therapy.
U.S. Drs can't even always agree. I agree to tests, make sure I'm ok. Pain persists? My first step is bio feedback.
Going to Dr Mike, or Dr Max.
One may prescribe something for pain &/antibiotics, say.
The other prescribes alternate ice/ heat, physical therapy.
U.S. Drs can't even always agree. I agree to tests, make sure I'm ok. Pain persists? My first step is bio feedback.
A lot of people are turning to those gurus or whatever because "western" medicine hasn't helped them. I know so many women over 40 with a slew of weird debilitating symptoms (anxiety, allergies, depression, heart palpitations, severe joint pain, etc) that no doctor connected to hormone changes. So then out of desperation they found a naturopath/functional medicine doc etc who prescribed hormones and they had a lot or total relief of symptoms.
Nothing good about his point, he was outright dismissing ayurveda, without any real evidence..if there is a problem with charlatans then regulate it.
Isn't that what more and more pharmaceutical companies are getting sued for. "Doctoring" Studies and lab results to earn billions of dollars? Sure they give warnings, contraindications, but they also give incentives to doctors to prescribe their products. If a 5,000 year old civilized people was wrong, wouldn't they have been wiped out by now? Have we read the history of Western medicine and its violent mistakes before getting to its current high brow and highly conceited moral ground. Its not even widely available to the common person. It costs too much, way too much to get help from.
The most passive aggressive conversation doctor mike ever had probably
How is it passive aggressive? They're just assessing the dynamic of the conversation so they know what they could talk about possibly.
@@nivington It is very obviously passive aggressive if you know anything about these two doctors' stances on medicine beyond this video lmao.
@@TactlessGuy Just becuase they have differing views doesn't mean there is enmity, if anything if you knew how Dr K talks this is a common thing he does, polite directness to set the basis of the conversation so they dont get lost on the topic.
@@nivington I don't sense any passive aggression from Dr. K, just Dr. Mike. Dr. K has surely dealt with this attitude and worse from colleagues dozens of times and is used to it.
@@TactlessGuy I don't personally see it as that but maybe, who knows.
I really really appreciate this - it's good to not only show two people with opposing viewpoints having a discussion, but also showing them genuinely trying to connect, to ask questions, to understand where the other is coming from. A conversation like that can benefit both parties in a way "winning" a debate never can.
They have essentially the same view point. The only discrepancy was. Dr. Mike essentially saying the macros the focus. Well Dr. k would say I agree but the micro would offer better care individually. Both overall agree but how to utilize/move forward was more the discussion.
So rare right?
It's not at all awkward though, it's a very healthy discussion between two proper adults who have zero interest in a screaming match or storming out of the room. They want the discussion rather than the "win".
I think sometimes we have to lean into letting a moment feel awkward to keep a conversation healthy and productive. I agree with you that this is totally just a professional conversation, but I know past me would have struggled because of being so confrontation avoidant.
I agree with Quirkney, but i also think it's due to the perspective of the source; Dr. Mike. For Dr. K to tell Mike that the conversation was becoming very antagonistic, implies that Mike was the source of it, which makes it awkward for Mike because he was probably disappointed by his own actions. That he didn't do as good of a job of keeping calm as he would have expected himself to. Mike strikes me as someone who has high standards, for himself more than anyone else, and for someone this well versed in psychology to say that to you, you know they're not saying it because they want to "win" the debate or to put you down. Dr. K said it because it was true and should be acknowledged. Mike is also usually very calm but if he feels people are being wronged it's natural that he would be passionate and feel strongly about the topic because it's essentially in defense of others. I know i've had conversations where i've had to defend my own actions or the actions of someone else where i felt strongly and it definitely wasn't the best i'd ever done because i couldn't stay as level-headed as i would otherwise be able to.
Both of them were furious at this moment and trying not to show it. And both of them knew that the conversation needed to change in tone and direction.
It is VERY tense. VERY. Dr. Mike is still quite angry even at the end, but Dr. K is capitulating to redirect the aggression.
This is an extremely awkward moment.
It is very awkward, you can clearly see what the Indian man is trying to do. You don’t have to be ignorant and politically correct ALL the time. You won’t survive like that
@@Person19943 You said so much, yet nothing at all.
My brother's friend is a certified ayurvedic doc, and what i learned from him is that ayurveda helps a person in embracing healthy life style rather than treating any illness which can be effectively done by conventional medicines. So many people have a wrong belief that ayurveda can treat illness like jaundice or cancer, which is absolutely wrong. To some extent, I do agree with Dr. Mike that many times, someone just advertises the ayurvedic products without strong evidence and misguide the patients.
Certified in bullshit?
To my knowledge, modern medicine does not have any cure for jaundice. Ayurveda has. Not saying that Ayurveda can replace modern medicines altogether. It can certainly complement. Mike seems to have strong opinions about Ayurveda without ever studying it. And he expects to “study “ Ayurveda which typically is a 5 year course in a 30 min podcast. That’s hilarious
Every single doctor does this, encouraging a healthy lifestyle.
People just don’t listen. People go to the doctors, hear that they need to eat their broccoli, continue to not eat their broccoli, then ask for the pill.
What you mean is that your brothers friend only gives holistic advice.
This comment is poison in its self. Ayuvedic medicine helps avoid disease by treating the body as a whole by using plants as medicine. Conventional medicine only is interested if it can patent something and you cant do this to.plants and herbs. Thr cdc shut down every natural remedy that treated cvd or boosted the immune system that wasnt the vx because they werent making money on it
@@evanr5871yeah, being a "certified" ayurvedic "doc" is like being a certified Bigfoot expert. A master of nothing real, and verified by the other insane members of your cult. Woo nonsense, wrapped in a veneer of Eastern mysticism. I think it's probably just fear of seeming racist that it escapes derision so much, the same as acupuncture and TCM, and reiki. Other countries have insane people too, and sometimes they make up health "treatments". Nothing racist about calling it BS.
If there is funding for Ayurvedic research and peer reviewed data then no one would have a problem with accepting it. The problem is there is none
It has already started by AUSH ministery in India. But they are so biased that they are not counted as research.
Wait and watch. India is open to constructive criticism. Until then we trust evidence of curing diseases as proves to trust Ayurveda.
“Peer reviewed” phizer shite that we get fed. Ya right!
I don't think US has the right anymore to declare which medical research is bias after COVID. They lost all standing as the authority on medical integrity.
@@lokendrasingh6760 It's Ayush. You don't even know that it's been regulated and researched for centuries.
Indian doctor Sushruta invented Plastic surgery, cataract surgery etc and practiced Ayurveda. Many Europeans came to him to learn his methods and that's how they spread globally.
India was a pioneer when it came to medicines, herbs etc historically and even today it's called the Pharmacy of the World. *It's kinda silly to downplay Ayurveda just cuz it's non-west.* It has the oldest documented texts when it comes to medicines and herbs.
I think it’s important to remember that Dr. K primarily practices western medicine, and just incorporates some alternative practices he feels are beneficial into his psychiatric practice. He’s not a quack or a huckster.
I agree with this. But I think we should be clear that Dr. Mike is not calling him a quack or a hukster... at least not explicitly
You're defending a huckster lol
And just like your regular psychiatrist, he can only fix and give advice on a surface and generalized manner. Anything deep it's almost always the patient managing to overcome their mental issues, as the only thing psychiatrists do is encourage behaviors and patterns which they believe will help fix the issues.
Psychology is still borderline pseudo-science.
@@rRekkoNo
@@nananakeson No
Dr. Mike has come so far from where he started, and still manages to stay grounded and committed to his principles as a practicing physician. Dude is super impressive for that
And he’s still hot too 🫣🤪
This is a high class conversation. Different views, but you still respect each other
I listened to the whole podcast and they actually have very similar views. It is just one is open to the idea while other is very against it.
not even different views. they agree.
Still thinking about this episode several days later. Seriously so good, worth the two hours and totally support y'all doing further episodes together!!
This is what an argument looks like. No shouting, no roasting just a respectful conversation on two sides.
this is what a conversation looks like. shouting, roasting; just a respectful argument🗿
This isn’t even an argument. It’s just a conversationz
two parroting clowns arguing with eachother 😂 great content
He literally patronized him and said he felt threatened over a calm conversation... just because he asked for data... it apparently went right over your head along with all the people that liked you unintelligent comment😅
@@bo4-x2n you sound like you're very intelligent. what are they parroting?
As a herbalist I agree with him, I've had so many people come to me saying "Im tired, I must be low in iron" and I spin them back to the door telling them to go to their doctor and get some blood work done. Low iron can have all sorts of side effects but high iron, to you die. There's also a million reasons that you could be tired. I've had lots of people who were sent to me by their doctor.
Stick to being a herbalist
And honestly, nothing is wrong with suggesting ginger in your tea for nausea or adding turmeric to foods to help with IBS. It's the people pushing BS with no medical insight. Keep doing what you're doing, glad to see you working with medicine not against it❤️
@@syedmehboob2671 what a useless comment
@@syedmehboob2671they literally are recommending medical testing with a doctor vs guessing. How can you find fault with that?
You are a herbalist
You don’t know nothing about ayurveda
What is a charaka samhita?sushruta Samhita?
Okay atleast vata?pita?kapha?
Anything?
So you don’t have a say in this
A real Ayurvedic person would know all this
And you don’t know any of this so you don’t get to say if he is correct
As an Indian and practicing medical professional , agree with him 100 percentage about what he said. Ayurveda needs more scientific research to consolidate it better in health care. No testing no liscne, anyone is making medicines in the name of Ayurveda.
What ever nature provided needs to be tested . ? Why. ?
Human brain is bigger than Universal cosmos n Mother earth.
Heights of jokers who doesn't know medical systems n medical treatment n medicines are talking here.
Also scientific research is bigger than Mother Earth. Wow.
Anyone is not making medicine here
People are doing it for hundreds of years, after the development of modern medicine these people becoming fools
Otherwise few decades back this was the actual medicine that helped the society
So understand it before judging it
Anyways whether ayurveda or modern medicine both are useless in chronic lifestyle diseases
Modern medicine is wonderful in emergency and surgeries, and to prevent and cure communicable diseases
And ayurvedic medicine are just neither good for communicable diseases nor any lifestyle diseases
Healthy lifestyle(completely avoiding bad habits), means healthy and balanced foods, physical workout, sleep and mental health awareness are the only permanent solution for chronic diseases
No medicine is sustainable solution for chronic health issues
And moreover it has been said that a lot of ayurvedic medicines have the same composition as western medicine like paracetamol, cetirizine etc. so they're just conning us in the name of ayurveda
No it doesn’t, science only validates your fear of not believing. That’s your own fault, belief( placebo effects ) has a big power when it comes to healing/ destroying oneself. Believe you aren’t worthy you will be unworthy, search and have hope, you can and will heal.
@@AyeAre196lmao let’s see whether you your fav baba goes to an ayurvedic or a medical hospital when he is in an Emergency 😂 like the Sadhguru who was bla3 this that about ayurvedic and got admitted to a Medical Hospital when he had a stroke
This is an example of how two grown adults are able to communicate properly, understand each others perspectives, disagreeances, and be open minded to hearing learning something new
Nah, Dr. K is acting like a baby here.
@@srsymon exactly if anyone had a closed mind it was him. It was so annoying to see him gaslighting Dr m
He defused the tension but then added his own by flat out saying Mike wasn’t being open minded
This conversation was so clean! I agree with you
There have been more examples of Dr. Mike being close minded, not just here. I don't think he is very scientific like most western doctors. The rest of you may know it before the end.
saw the whole thing!! it was so informative, as an Indian who have been confused about this as well, this gives a lot of clarity and clears up the concept for easy understanding too..its true that a lot of practices like usage of herbs- turmeric is practiced in households as well (my mom uses turmeric on cuts and such) so its kind of engraved, some of these things, and we do them just out of habit sometimes. this was a very interesting approach to the topic. Kudos!
So based on this guy you would not use turmeric in your household just because there is no white paper or research paper?
@@GowthamV07 You can use it as long as it won't prevent you from seeing a doctor when needed.
When your professional practice directly involves a life or health of a person, being skeptical isn't an option but a must.
Skepticism requires honest look. How many books has he read on d matter? How many practitioners has he met and had honest conversation?? This is his first it seems. And this is a psychologist. That’s not skepticism. Which is fine. B honest that u don’t know
@@RojaJaneman”Skepticism requires an honest look”. Agreed. An honest look, check out the evidence, maybe organise trials with randomised population groups, then peer review the studies we have on the topic to remove bias-
…wait a second this is just medical science.
Skeptical? No you need to be rigorous yet open-minded. Skepticism is a dogma.
@@clickpause8732 yeah basic science where pharma companies buy out experts/doctors/researches and politicians. That science?? Where they sell drugs like candy? Where insurance and politicians create system that keeps people sick? Or experiment on them with drugs?? That science??
U mean snake oil cartels??
@@kusali11no a dogma is the opposite
Most of the time, Ayurveda seems to focus more on preventing diseases and infections rather than treating them. These preventive measures are often based on natural accuracy, while treatments are pursued after an infection has occurred.
Absolutely, Ayurveda is a great guidance for a lifestyle and works wonders as preventive medicine
@@valvel4358 it's not medicine it's a life style... stop using words wrong
@@AI3Dorinte there's a whole branch in medicine that is about lifestyle. Lifestyle Medicine or like we say in my country Medicina do Estilo de Vida. It focuses on how someone's health may be related to their lifestyle
@@blahblahblahblah729is it actual medicine that's regulated as such?
Can someone's license be revoked for malpraxis?
@@Fernando-ek8jpyes. There are licensee for Ayurvedic practices. Someone without one is most likely trying to scam you especially if its a serious illness.
This was a cool video to watch. I ended up watching the full one during a depression slump and it successfully got me interested and for that I am infinitely grateful.
Reading these comments shows me how cutting an interview off at just the right place can distort so much
True, but this is Doctor Mike’s account. Not some weirdo posting this just to clout chase
I don't know why anyone would interview with Dr. Mike, he constantly does exactly this. Cuts up his interviews to shorts that make him look smart and perfect. Every time, don't think I've ever seen a clip of him admitting he was wrong, or being humble. Not a single one. He still hasn't admitted he was wrong for his COVID posts, yet wants people to "trust" him. He's the filter heavy instagram chick for doctors.
This is almost exactly how it's cut on Dr Ks channel, too, though? I just came from there.
Yes I'm glad you noticed also, I believe the clip distorted the interview to rile up the youtube commenters and increase the subscriber to video interaction for more revenue, most of the clip was on the concept of informed consent as a means of improving physician-patient interaction regarding alternative medicine.
Whoever edited the clip is an evil genius.@@saberswordsmen1
@@JaymesMorrow he has a whole video pointing out times he was wrong in his videos😂
I work in Healthcare myself but what about the fraudsters at the pharmaceutical companies mate?
Very good point 😅
This is literally "whatabouitism". I'm sure they could have a discussion about poor practices in the pharma industry, but that's not what they were discussing. The fact there are some dodgy pharma practices does not get alternative quacks off the hook. It's like saying, "Ok, bloke A robbed someone, but what bout bloke B, he killed someone!" They're both still guilty of a crime and we don't let one off for the fact of the other.
@@PinataOblongata whataboutism is so cheap. Just say you can't handle rebuttals.
Like cough medicine!
@@aduntoridas010 Hey fucknuckle, I gave you a perfect example of why it's not cheap, so who can't handle rebuttals? It might as well be a logical fallacy - it's very much like the slippery slope where the link to the thing that is not actually what you're specifically talking about is spurious and meant to misdirect from that original thing.
I've got absolutely no problem with people criticising pharma companies for dodgy practices, go read Dr Ben Goldacre's book Bad Pharma (and Bad Medicine before it for a look at poorly performed medical science) if you want a readable round-up. But in exactly the same way as bad pharma practices don't somehow make homeopathy or astrology or reiki actually work, neither does referring to them excuse people employing or promoting Ayurvedic or any other non-evidence-based alternative "medicine".
Love how open you are with new ideas! 💡
I agree even though I’ve been helped more by natural medicine and hurt more by conventional medicine. His points are true especially about people taking advantage. Many people do not use discernment and research
Man, i felt that they were talking about two adjacent topics almost the whole stream but i think they met at the end and could understand eachother to discuss better their experiences.
Well in my country we normally first go to the hospital (western medicine) first, but if it doesn’t work we go to Ayurvedic medicine.
It's good to have both combined.
@@FukaiKokoroNot necessarily
example of when the hospital doesn't work?
@@annaku_wanthotdogsmostly gut related issues ayurveda helps it vastly
@@annaku_wanthotdogs ppl that die with wrong or new diagnoses
I admire how patient, clear, collected and concise dr. K is in his conversation, especially considering his adhd.
while promoting bullshit?
While promoting his con man propaganda? Yeah ok 😂
@@jackwhitbread4583 exactly!
You both on the comments very clearly didn't watch the video LOL@@AI3Dorinte
@@_fr4mes743And you clearly didn't notice how "Doctor" K totally ignored Doctor Mike's remark about evidence...
Before you pass any judgement on Dr k please watch the interview.
I've already blocked his channel because he seems to enjoy talking about things that aren't from his line of study, and his inability to recognise that he is severely under informed cannot be pointed out enough.
He's two steps from quackdom. One hopes someone gets him off that path.
@@DembaiVT good for you man.
@@DembaiVT that does not mean he is necessarily doing a bad thing- as long as he brings only real professionsals on the show everything is still valid.
@@babyj7195 are we talking about Dr Mike or Dr k here? I feel the the guy you replied to is talking about Dr K
Nobody is passing judgement on anyone. If anything, people are praising them for a constructive debate .
Dr. K perfectly steered the conversation back to a polite conversation before it turned into an argument.
It’s almost like he’s a psychiatrist
@@enigma104 lol! Yeah.
No he gaslit Dr m after he was asked for evidence for any of his crack pot theories
And yet he argued
@@andrewdurst8455there's a solid difference between an argument and a confrontation. Dr. K's mean of communication is meant to connect, open, and understand. There's nothing wrong with trying to understand.
Maybe because this was edited out, but I don't think this conversation was awkward at all. In fact you both had a very respectful and mature way of conversing on a topic from different perspectives.
I’ve seen Dr Mike videos pop up, but this short gets me to subscribe. Good stuff to the interviewer as well!
Removing the context that preceded the "open mind" comment made this edit a confusing if not misleading portrayal of the position Dr. K was taking
Dr. Mike always has to save face
Literally agree, listened to it yesterday nd Dr. K had so many good points, feel like this is kind of trying to make him look worse than he actually was..
@@daniellee.e_x lol
I lost Dr. K when he said Indians understood micro biology as they ate with their right hand and cleaned their backside with the left. You just call that common sense, even a caveman would do that.
Wasn't misleading at all, if anything Dr. K was being pretty weasely in this convo.
Subject notwithstanding, this was a masterclass in conflict resolution from both Drs 👍 Especially in context of the episode. They were spinning their wheels on this topic for about 20 minutes, then Dr K invited Dr Mike to step back for a bit with this question and Dr Mike showed enough self-awareness. Thus a confrontation turned into productive discussion 👍
It's so great that because Dr. K is a therapist, he is able to defuse this tension so skillfully
Psychiatrist actually, but he has been trained in and used plenty of psychotherapy.
@@gavinp214 What is this comment. Yes, he's a therapist...
@@christopherwillson Sure thing man
not really he was trying to be condescending
@@Noah-jb9om Yeah and he abused his psych reputation to manipulatively hit at Mike's emotions instead of respectfully bringing the tension down like they were equals
Dr Mike has an open mind to science. Show him science and he’ll have the most open mind you could ever ask for.
Depends. R u expecting research papers in western based academia?? D one that directly denies such subjects and people entry?? Which literally has lobbied and funded laws against such doctors and institutions for centuries?? This includes burning them as “witches” and literal imprisonment and draconian punishments. They’d even take their assets when they wouldn’t bend.
props to your Dr.Mike for your integrity and honesty. Very humble and brave to be so transparent, especially in the public eye. i appreciate how you conduct yourself.
I’m glad doctor mike asked him about this because whenever dr k brought up Ayurvedic medicine or like mediation as treatment or stuff, it always seemed to go straight off a cliff. Like saying stuff back by science, saying stuff backed by science, and then all the sudden it’s what some monk told him and he’s taking that at the same level of evidence as proper scientifically tested stuff, and it always made me question if he was a grifter. And I had never seen anyone ask him questions about this, it seemed like everyone agreed with him so I was sitting here like “am I crazy”
If you include mindfulness along with eating proper diet food while being treated for any desease with medicines it speeds up your recovery in pretty much every way
@@asifdilawar1044 Yes, it's common knowledge that a peaceful mind, heart and soul with proper nutrition will heal faster than one who is stressed and/or on a poor diet. We already know how stress affects immunity, meaning that immunity functions less properly giving way to illnesses.
The point is that Dr K kept saying it's "Backed by Science" without having the EVIDENCE of it and then switching it off to "A Monk Said it". That in it of itself is Odd Behaviour.
@@asifdilawar1044 Mindfulness practices are not a panacea and even have some contraindications. Also, from "mantain a proper diet" to "follow ayurvedic dogma" there's a HUGE leap.
Absence of Evidence does not mean Evidence of Absence
@@msaw504when it comes to your health, you risking it?
love a respectful debate where people actually want to understand and learn from each other
Doctor Mike! You are the best and the most special❤❤❤❤❤❤
Dr. Mike has no problem saying in the most respectful and concise way, “cut the bullshit”
The missing context is that Dr. Mike came in with the perception that everything in that Eastern medicine framework was bullshit. He wasn't open to hearing evidence that anything about it might have some value.
Dr. K was never advocating for that system of medicine in its entirety, but I see why people might think that, from this short clip!
Nah it was a multiple hour conversation between two very practiced and high status medical professionals you didn't listen to.
Most modern medicine uses herbs with natural properties for example primrose oil in vitamin E tablets, clove oil for dental issues, neem for antibacterial purposes, etc.
Ayurveda is ancient medicine. Theres plenty of ancestral knowledge thats valuable. Anything originating from non white cultures need not be bullshit.
@@BiggieChungulus Being mutually respectful doesn't make both of them right. Dr. Mike did spent multiple hours trying to politely say "cut the bullshit".
when Dr. K sign the contract to fight Dr. Mike in a boxing match is the best part. what an amazing podcast
😂
Use your fists to determine the outcome of a debate, is what I always say!
@@samanthasowell9307"If I'm wrong then please, do tell, why are you on the floor, bleeding? Now, admit it, the Earth is a Cube."
My father is using and benefiting from both western and ayurveda for his spine. It doesn't work for everything but it has its place
If he's doing both: how do you know both are working, and you're not just claiming they both work just because he's doing well?
That's - in my opinion - the way it should be in treatment. Use everything that might work well and doesn't do harm.
No matter if there's a placebo effect involved, because even a placebo effect is an effect that betters something.
@@ExhaltiaAdding on to what @Ineksi said, there's a new, revolutionary approach to treatment that not only focuses on curing a patient's physical ailments, but also how their state of mind can be impacted during the treatment process. It's called holistic treatment, and it's not commonly known, and studies into how spirituality and religion help patients with terminal illnesses found that they were able to have greater peace of mind when coming to terms with their new reality. The afterlife may seem far into the future for many of us, but for those who face their impending mortality, an unsettled state of mind is the last thing that should affect their treatment. If you want further explanation, feel free to ask and I'll do my best to help!
Disclaimer: I am not a medical professional nor currently studying medicine. I will not provide advice on how to live your life or diagnose an illness you may seem to have, nor imply that I want to make the affronts that I listed above. As an individual, I can only express my enthusiasm about this subject, and in no way do my opinions reflect the stances of my workplace or my school. What my opinions do reflect is the product of my short-lived experiences, and as an individual, I acknowledge that I am entitled to my biased opinions and you are to yours. Any ad hominem attacks and hasty, sweeping generalizations linking my biased, opinionated statements to any communities that I represent that do not contribute any convincing counterarguments or evidence to the discussion at hand will receive no response from me. Thank you 🙏
Wasting money on useless garbage so true@@Ineksi
Love these guys so respectful handled it great!
I love how gracefully Mike just takes and agrees with “I’m not talking to someone with an open mind”. This is even a highlight of the show for Mike.
I feel like people think open-mindedness is about behavior, but it absolutely isn’t. A lot of viewers might not even be able to tell Mike was antagonistic or anything like that because we’re so used to that looking like a shouting match. That absolutely isn’t the case and both Dd. Mike and Dr. K know it. God this is so good
It was a great interview, but I could only get through half of it. I had hoped they would get around to discussing how compassion and critical thinking has been lost to capitalism.
@@johncaccioppo1142 Ah yes, criticizing capitalism, the lowest fruit of political discussion that every midwit has to ham-fist into every other topic of discussion.
Yeah! A lot of people argue instead of simply exchanging ideas that may not even be fully formed opinions yet. But he obviously was antagonistic because he felt like this practice was ignorant
This entire podcast was absolutely the best. Live Dr K and Dr Mike!
i wouldn't have called this an awkward moment bc this is actually a very respectful interaction (that still has bite) where you two actually try to understand each other, and that's exactly how a discussion should be
Its only respectful because one side is way ahead of the other one.
I think it was awkward because he does have an open mind and was hoping to learn something from this dude but he was unable to provide evidence so he didn't learn anything.
I love to see how much mature this conversation of them showing that they are literally listening to each other's side. Wish people were like this on a daily basis.
Thank you for having civilized discourse. Refreshing ❤❤❤
This is the perfect example of how to have a difficult conversation with someone you respect. Well done guys!
The shared minds of these two professionals getting together is almost a cosmic explosion of possibilities. Butting heads isn’t all bad. Debate is healthy and necessary.
How refreshing!!! An conversation with objective attempt. I haven't seen one of these in YEARS!
My mom is actually an Ayurvedic health counselor and she has helped many many people. One of her clients was having very un regular periods. My mother’s treatment fixed this very quickly. I understand some people could be trying to scam and take advantage, but those who truly try to help people should be taken more seriously.
Wish every debate was this civil now adays
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED the turning point of how Dr. K noticed the unintended confrontational tension that was building up & didn't immediately assume negative things & go on to make probably wrong conclusions. Rather he got curious to actually understand were the blockade in the communication was & he handled it so well that it turned out to be insightful to both of them, in that thay both got the opportunity to realise the underlying cause or concern of why they were struggling to connect❤that's real professional communication❤.
I commend u both for handling it this way & sharing with us the benefit of your respective insights & expertise in both worldviews on medicine.
Even if this was the only portion someone watched it would be a wonderful lesson to take on effective communication skills for life💖. Thanks
This was a great podcast. I listened to it in its entirety. I learned a lot from Dr. K. and, as usual, I enjoyed Dr. Mike's questions to him.
COLLAB WITH LAW BY MIKE!
i swore they have
@@AznDudeIsOnyeah it was a 2 pt Grey's Anatomy review, Mike reviewed the medicine and Mike reviewed the legal side. Wait 😑
@@KrakenIsland64That was Legal Eagle
@@Ramz.mp4 oh you're right lol. I forget the difference because Mike is on LE a lot.
Law by Mike, Doctor Mike... I'm seeing a pattern here. Who's the next Mike?
That was a perfect answer for that question. it is as concise as you can possibly get it.
The problem is there is no funding, data or research for ayurvedic medicine. Hard to pull data that's comparable to studies funded by big pharma or western medicine
This is the most forthright sincere interview I’ve ever seen. It begs for clarity in the midst of potential conflict, and responds even if it meant looking foolish. The way each guy neither denies, nor holds too dearly to each others biases is admirable. It should be what most journalists should strive for during interviews. (Ironically Dr Mike isn’t a journalist)
i love to know even professionals have convos where they sound like they're disagreeing but are actively agreeing with each other.
it's so important to both of them to be understood it's fascinating. This happens with me and my friends all the time
The fundamental understanding of current modern healthcare, is an oxymoron. In the west we don’t practice healthcare, we practice disease management. Healthcare would be what Aryuvedic medicine would be. Maintenance of good health. Creating balance and proper working order of systems and the body as a whole. The AMA wants nothing to do with that. There’s no money in it.
Western culture has used food, water, air, and movement for centuries. When it’s common to see people in a “third world country” still living to 100 on a regular basis, we shouldn’t discount it, but study it. And when it comes to “gurus” and quackery, our medical malpractice statistics are staggering!
Was about to say the same thing… keeping in mind that Ayurveda is very old practice … majority of it revolves around healthy lifestyle rather than cures to major diseases… at least that’s what us Indians who grew up in this day and age are taught … I would rather choose to find a balance between allopathy and Ayurvedic practice… have to be very sensible and practical to know when to consider what …
Absolutely true, Ayurveda focuses on overall health a lot more in its approach. It must be used accordingly and together with other available knowledge for best use.
@@sta1RR😂😂
No ayurveda is not health care 😂
Study Hindu books to understand
What sht written in those about health care
Those books they teach in ayurveda University
Which creates many fake gurus
Like Ram dev
His empire is $8 billon
He got Govt support
He funds that political party
And many advantages for politicans in the name social service like saving their black money at these gurus ashrams
Now they think they are above supreme court of India
Read his recent case
You talk as western healthcare doesn't suggest lifestyle improvements which makes your statement very dramatic. It is okay to encourage people for ayurvedic medicine but it is crazy to compare it with scientific facts
These two always so tense :P
You were trying to say: "They build high tension when together". That's cause they can withstand a critical conversation that is nuanced, without falling out. But both of them can be relaxed, too.
@@KxNOxUTAhopefully someday we will have politicians like that (wishful, unrealistic, not gonna happen)
My two favorite doctors!
Doctor mike “i don’t trust it so i brought you here to tell me more information on it as an expert”
Him “you just dont have an open mind if you studied about it more you would trust it”
Doctor Mike “that’s why I brought you here”
Its a bit more nuanced in the full video.
Because Dr.K is actively trying to explain it in favour of Doctor Mike, the issue is that nothing goes through and he continuously demanding a "yes its good you're wrong" type of answer, to the point Dr.K feels like its getting nowhere.
Jesus, watch the whole podcast.
They are both agreeing on the topic but Doctor mike keep pushing back whenever something is labeled as Eastern medicine. This is why he pointed this out.
Dr. K: so medicine is an art because A
Dr. Mike: yes, I agree
Dr. K: so one advantage of eastern medicine is because they incorporate A
Dr. Mike: ok but A isn't evidence-based medicine
How is this awkward? Prime example of a good snippet of a conversation
There is some context to this exchange beforehand which stems from a misunderstanding between the two of them, regarding the other person. You should try to watch the full interview, its actually pretty interesting.
Congrats Dr. Mike!
I love how clearly and calmly Dr Mike explains himself and his thinking
Really? You LOVE it? Please.
Alternative Medicine with evidence is the Modern medicine.
Crazy how this clip is taken out of context
He handled that well, props.
There’s nothing more satisfying to watch than two knowledgeable people sharing their conflicting thoughts and deliberations about some subject.
It was a little frustrating because I don't think Dr Mike was ever open to Ayurveda, and will never be until there is serious data showing its efficacy. His concern that there is no data or standardization is valid and Dr K agreed with it wholeheartedly, so there was no reason for Dr Mike to remain hostile to the idea. He couldn't divorce the practice from the practitioners.
@@SilkyThickI feel sad that Dr. Mike isnt open to it. I feel that there are many parts of Ayurveda that do work, a lot that don't too, but it's just not being studied as much as it should be
@@Mario_Lugo did you watch/listen to the whole interview? That was major point that was brought up, actually not long after this moment, if I recall correctly.
@@madcat1865 I've watched some of it, I haven't had too much free time recently
@@Mario_Lugo The whole body approach is what really needs to be adopted more than anything. When I'm troubleshooting an electronic system, something vastly simpler than the human body, I'm not just diagnosing the thing that's malfunctioning I'm checking every component of the system related to the thing that's gone wrong as well. That and the principle that "food is medicine," once you figure out how to incorporate ingredients that naturally have medicinal properties into your daily meals you will find a wellness of being that, even if you were perfectly healthy beforehand, will only elevate you more.
Kudos to both of them!
India has both Ayurvedic and Unani medicines.Both have their place in health care but neither should be expected to treat an acute health problem.
So its not medicine
@@Ididdk99most serious practitioners of ayurveda will agree with you that it’s not a medicinal science anymore. It used to be based on anecdotal evidence when medical science was in its infancy. Today ayurveda is more about lifestyle and maintenance of health. Any hack selling magic pills is just lying to you.
Alternative medicine*
“They have their place in healthcare” why?
@@HyperkalemiaSineWave because the low iq nationalist cant admit that his people were wrong hundred of years ago
I listened to the entire discussion and I hope that this was a learning moment for you. I think you showed some signs it was which was cool.
Just because you’re asking for proof or an exclamation that makes logical sense using the scientific method.. doesn’t mean you have a closed mind.. Mike clearly has an open mind and is willing to take in any information and make logical decision on it.. It’s not like he’s shutting off anything immediately. That guy is being manipulative and like gaslighting Mike… he’s guilty him saying oh you have a closed mind. That’s why. I don’t know if he’s in denial or he’s on the scams, but that’s not OK.
It was also a bit defective. "You should study more into it"
Sure, maybe the principles are good and nice but are they backed by evidence? Should I pivot my medical career to incorporate them when there are alternatives that have been extensively researched and proved?
If I'm irreligious and find a nice teaching from a religion but still don't buy into the religion, does it actually make sense not to offer evidence for its validity rather than just asking someone to "study more" into it? When do I stop? Why is your particular one the one I should devote my time and efforts into?
Eh it's really not that deep
“I don’t think I’m talking to someone who has an open mind 😮😅”
Lol, just present evidence to convince. Just believing is for the religious.
@Nelis1324 You have to watch the whole interview. Dr. Mike was being closed-minded initially, but he corrected himself towards the end. BTW, even faith requires evidence. Blind faith is for the naive, not the religious. ✌🏽
@@BombshElle_7 you obviously never met any religious people
@@BombshElle_7The only “evidence” most religion has is a old book.
@ironically_iconic9848 I agree that most religions miss the mark. But when an "old book" is backed by science, it's no longer myths and fairytales. The water cycle, the Earth being a sphere (not flat), and the fact that it needs nothing to hold it up right is all in the Bible and has been confirmed by science. Ancient civilizations and rulers mentioned in the Scriptures have also been confirmed by archeology. That's why I love my religion. We don't do "blind faith."
I love Doctor Mike. I love the debate platform and you’re not afraid of it! Good shit!
It wasn't a debate though. They're on the same side. XD Mike was turning it into a debate. This was the moment Dr. K brought attention to Mike's growing attitude, and diffused the situation. Lots of people who watched it were very put off by Mike's attitude, until this moment. The rest of the chat is much more chill.
Dr. Mike, I really admire how you handle conflict, is it possible for you to talk about your skill development process for awkward moments like these?
such a breath of fresh air to see two open minded people have a civil conversation. golden example of good communication
as far as im concerned there's only one openminded person i see here
- Asks about why someone thinks a certain way
- gets the answer
- adjust his viewpoint on the cknversation and moves forward
This is a masterclass in conversation.
I LOVE to see smart people arguing and learning, there are few instances where you would get answers to questions you didn't know you have
Dr. Mike is spot on.
"I'm not talking to someone who has an open mind"
- sadly that's a great summary 😂😂😂
There is degree for ayurveda doctor..
Private companies invest later, monk use to invest till now , as a part of natural healing ...
If you has neem tree you need less gastric medicine ..
Top pharma company doesn't like any herbal medicine from any nation
There is a degree for bible studies.
@@Nerazmus also came to Kerala , uttarkhand .. or any good ayurvedic hospital
..... And see it .. those hospital runs from many years .. many ayurvedic knowledge was lost because of our history ...
When you have super herbs then better to use chemical free product ...
Came here and see it by your own ...
But ayurvedic had some limitations .. in today's first life allopathy saves time and allopathy range is incomparable ..
@@Nerazmus come see it .. if a civilization runs from thousands year then must be they had some herbal knowledge .... Many parts of world lost that science ... Still had in India ....
@@Nerazmus but their is some fake guru baba , that's true also
@@avijitgoswami3082
Already saw it. These kinds of nutjobs that are selling snake oil as medicine exist everywhere.
What do you think herbs are made out of? That's right chemicals.
The power of our minds to health or disease is incredible. Meditation & resolution of challenges isn't what MDs learn in med school.
I'm reluctant to fo to the clinic where meds are prescribed before, say types of foods are even discussed, though? Pain meds, pills for sleep instead of bio feedback?
Physician - heal thyself.
Being open minded is not about accepting everything that gets present to you. It's always about asking questions about everything you learn or discover and learn from it until you know enough to have an opinion about it.
We he said Hucksters and Gurus, Dr. K’s eyes got shift for a second.
I had to stop watching dr k. He uses too much woowoo nonsense and never gives proofs. He also talks outside his wheelhouse way too often. Often giving extremely bad advice.
i love how they can just have a conversation about a topic in which they have different opinions on. it shows a great level of maturity.
As someone with a physically disabled father that benefitted a lot from both western science and “alternative medicine”, its EXTREMELY important to get your advice from the right sources and use both in relation to each other. certainly alternative medicine techniques and remedies helped him regain a lot of his movement and relieved his pain, and so did western medicine. we are lucky enough that our family friend is a very traveled and educated doctor who guided and advised my dad to live a healthy life with the help of both.
I agree 100% with Dr. Mike !
So then you agree with Dr K too then. Watch the whole podcast, they each take the exact same stance when it comes to eastern medicine😂
Ayurvedic medicine in history worked on the system that of free healthcare. You don’t pay for the work but instead you give a donation if you’d like. Which is standard courtesy but still a important note. The job was on the doctor to heal you. In todays India that principal is much different. What is called Ayurvedic now isn’t what it once was. That collection of self evident truths is rare to find in that world. It’s not something you can study with datapoints because most of the conception has been lost to time.