"Do you want Linux mass adoption" I do. I'm a gamer, and as soon as more people start using Linux, more devs will be porting/developing their games for Linux.
@@motoryzen A lot works and sadly a lot don't. Even running epic games through lutris has been hit or miss for me. Most of the free games works fine but some of them will have problems. Like I installed arkham asylum and the frame rate was horrible. Then I used d9vk and the framerate became acceptable but it started crashing. I don't know what was I doing wrong. Do you have any tips on running egs on linux?
@@austinbachurski7906 so about EAC (Easy AntiCheat) the system that's borking a bunch of proton running games. EAC has builds for Windows, Mac and yes..Linux. The problem as of right now is the Windows version of EAC running IN Wine. It's not deliberate and I'm told they're working with Valve to figure it out. Patience, Grasshopper.
@Prem Kumar or... just use Proton in Steam. And for non-steam games just install wine-staging and DXVK and enable it. Bang done. Lutris is superfluous now. When it comes to running Windows games on DXVK, almost all the "workarounds" and tweaks that are posted on protondb.com are specifically for Steam anyway.
@@motoryzen The bigger barrier IMO is mods and utilities. For example, BGEE is Linux native, but EE Mod Manager, EE Keeper etc are Windows only. Sure, you can set them up in WINE, but that's a pain in the ass and feels like you're polluting your Linux install.
@@IamBrianDickson Agree. Having done some UI design for my small addon for blender, I can tell that it takes way more than 5 min. Still I would agree, I 9 out of 10 I would chose the software that looks cool over the one that doesn't. Especially if the difference is some small feature.
agreed. kinda. The "Design" part of Linux isn't really a thing. It's really all about the DE design. And the thing is, that if the DE was unified, the choice that attracts so many people to Linux in the first place evaporates. I would prefer that Gnome and KDE would have a nicer "out of the box" experience rather than reduce user-flexibility. I'll never use a default theme no matter how nice because I'm an artist and I like my environment to be *my* visuals. I seriously don't want that ability to go away, 3especially in the name of making Linux more palatable to Windows/Mac users
@@GradyBroyles If they would just default to dark themes (and Adwaita used icons that weren't hideous - Breeze looks OK) they'd still look way better than Windows.
i used to get annoyed by the design but now i tend to love the simplest no-work design in some Linux programs (like thunar icons for example) , i am annoyed when i use some gnome based program because of the design especially the big bar. i have a 12" laptop. i just change the colors sometimes
protip: it's already happened. What you mean is mass DESKTOP adoption. And for that it's not desirable for the entire Linux family to unify their GUI's under a single standard.
@@GradyBroyles I'm pro-mass adoption but against excessive standardisation. Still, if apps inheriting theming from the DE was a tad smoother, I'd much appreciate it. I mean, Audacity on KDE with an Oxygen - based dark theme does look a bit half-baked.
@@frataltay4543 Linux world welcomes everyone.. A company like Google can exhibit monopoly while a UK company like Canonical can get funded from SA to achieve collaborative goals. A company like Apache can behave so rudely to developers forcing them to move from OSI compliant licensing to Apache licensing while devs can revolt to create LibreOffice so good becoming default of most distros. So to me, chances of Linux suffering a similar fate as android is very very less because most work of Linux is done by devs smart enough to discourage monopoly.
1: Nvidia drivers 2: configuration of peripherals 3: audio configuration 4: ugly apps (outdated 90s looks on most distros) 5: power management (suggestion to use DLP) Bonus: standardization (lack thereof)
Peripherals is the one that annoys me the most, I'm yet to find a single Linux distro that can even handle two or more monitors (which most developers require) correctly... 2020, and Linux STILL can't handle two monitors with simple functions like custom DPI per monitor? Lol
Thomas Crabtree I use Manjaro now and it works out of the box handling multiple peripherals. Honestly to me Manjaro is my favorite distro if you need a “modern” distro that works in almost every hardware situation. The only thing about Manjaro that I’m still not used to is it’s package manager. But luckily they also have very good documentation that give you a list of all the most common commands you will need. I highly recommend it especially if you’re using a complex hardware setup.
@@thomascrabtree Even worse. Proper UI scaling for high res displays is still garbage. 2k has been a thing for over a decade, and Linux support is still crap.
There's nothing wrong the products themselves, though Nvidia GPU's and G-Sync monitors are more expensive than AMD's, but in terms of performance, they still have a lead. In CPU world though, AMD has kicked Intel in the nuts for some time.
@@kjn5991 I have got a problem with how Nvidia got that lead. Nvidia had an extremely aggressive marketing-campaign with a good touch of emotional blackmailing. "Nvidia, The Way It Is Meant To Be Played", making gamers feel as if they get less than the best gaming-experience when they use a graphics card from a competitor which was a lie back then. Nvidia buying PhysX (back then under another name), taking it off the market as a separate product and then baking it in into their graphics cards, forcing gamers who are afraid to miss out (whatever PhysX was used for, usually nothing useful) to buy an Nvidia card. Then you got those shenanigans that Nvidia even blocked the PhysX-card on gamers their cards if they used an AMD-card in combination with that Nvidia card or an older generation Nvidia card in combination with that Nvidia card. Then you got that GameWorks (including software which they had before they officially called it GameWorks which was a collection of proprietary code for which ATI and AMD could not optimize, artificially giving Nvidia a higher FPS, in essence by cheating. All horrible anti-competitive actions. Where Nvidia permanently lost me as a customer is their GPP-blackmailing and FreeSync-hijacking. Nvidia forced companies to change the established branding for AMD-cards and Nvidia now forces monitorcompanies to replace FreeSync with GSync-Compatible. Nvidia has good products and skilled engineers but they don't know any ethical and moral boundaries. Where AMD opensources software Nvidia gates it as much as possible and lies and cheats. I have got a lot of criticism of ATI and AMD too (they all want(ed) to get money) but neither gets close to Nvidia with regard to how rotten the company is.
@WaliWorldX The big difference is this. AMD also pricegouges when it can, because they want to make profit. AMD has a much better reason for it at the moment (paying off the last debts, investing more in R&D) but they would do it too and they are already doing it. But AMD never lied, cheated and blackmailed customers or companies to get an advantage, AMD opensources software, Nvidia keeps it proprietary. (ATI has cheated though) Writing proprietary code (GameWorks), pushing developers to use it for their games and knowing that the competitor can't make the game run well because that code is proprietary and they can't optimize their drivers for it, that is cheating. Using that proprietary code and PhysX (while actively disabling it on Nvidia cards if you use it in combination with an AMD card), that is blackmailing. Forcing monitor-companies to rebrand FreeSync as GSync-Compatible is blackmailing and cheating.
@@aiden_macleod I'd like for them to open source their drivers to let the community fix them since they don't seem to be able to do it themselves. their steep price premiums warrant knocking them down a peg as well.
Microsoft are huge players in the cloud with Amazon. Providing infrastructure to instatutions makes big money. Linux on desktop wont break microsoft who also contribute code to the Linux project and seem to be absorbing it as windows runs linux programs and even runs the os using virtul machines.
As a non english speaking person natively, i would add one more thing and the thing is obviously languages support. Yep it's all unicode and all that, but man, once you want to run two keyboard layouts at a time you get into a ton of small yet annoying issues. For example, Manjaro setup. You set the setup language other than english, and you can't switch layout to enter your latin-spelled username.. How is this behaviour still there? Another one is more sublte. I used to use Ctrl-Shift to switch layout. When typing, usually i want to start each sentence with a capital letter :) In some cases i need to switch layout before new sentence. I press Ctrl-Shift to switch layout, then i release Ctrl, i leave Shift down and start typing. That's how my fingers work for the whole eternity. And i get no capital letter. Cause for xorg to understand me i have to release Shift and press it right back again. This kind of shift-dance pisses the hell out of me... Yes, non of it is something we cannot live with, just like having a small splinter in your finger. You will not die, but you really want it gone. Sorry for such a long comment :)
@@LeMeccerino Well, i tried. It just requires to change my 20+ years habit with no real reason :) I mean keys are still there, and work great under Windows...
@@uncleeugene "It just requires to change my 20+ years habit with no real reason " Didn't you just give us a reason to change your 20+ year habit in your original comment?
** Chris, you are not wrong. I started programming computers 42 years ago and I laugh so hard when I watch your videos because I had these same problems over the years and not just with Linux. THESE are the #1 reasons why I am on Linux Mint. There are NVIDIA drivers right at install, printers and scanners function better in Mint than in Windows. Audio is functional right from the beginning and some of it is audiophile quality. Mint has so many options and their desktop is very polished will little manipulation. And yes, power manegement is already built into Mint. Several videos back, you just flat out refereed Linux Mint to new users. And for obvious reasons.
I have to agree with your assessment on this. I always keep going back to Linux Mint because it just works on everything I throw at it. My only complaints about it were it still looks dated but with some theme-ing that can be resolved.
There are still audio problems though; But I guess it's worse on other distros? I've pretty much been running Mint for the last year and a half, with only a little bit of distro hopping early on. My main reason for picking Mint, is it just feels like someone took Ubuntu and made it better, but I can't really explain why. The only thing I can really point out that's factual is installing Flash Player and Cinnamon, other then that Mint just 'feels' better and is generally less of a headache then vanilla Ubuntu I seem to recall.
@@JohnnyThund3r Maybe I can help. First, try updating your kernel, I know that Mint released 5.3 yesterday. I am not familiar with your current setup or situation, but I can show you what works for me. I am kind of an audiophile junky and I cannot stand onboard audio hardware. The RF noise off the cpu will distort just about any audio signal you have no matter how much you try to shield it. I use an external usb DAC which I either plug headphones into or use it to drive powered speakers. If you go to Amazon, look for a Signstek HiFi usb DAC. They sell for about $21. It is a Chinese knock off of a Texas Instruments/Burr Brown 2704 circuit, in fact Mint will show it as a PCM2704. I prefer Fosi electronics with Bluetooth amplifier built in myself, but this will definitely work. Mint has drivers for this already. I have tested audio on both Windows and Linux, Linux definitely sounding better. In Mint, try playing music through the new Celluloid MPV front end. I think you will find even less noise distortion since the player offloads the workload from the cpu and into hardware. I have added a snap on choke coils to my usb cable to attenuate any spurious emissions. I think that once you hear the difference through one of these shielded units, you wont want anything different. Signstek HiFi USB to Coaxial S/PDIF Converter Convert Digital to Analogue Signal Mini USB DAC PCM -- www.amazon.com/Signstek-Coaxial-Converter-Convert-Analogue/dp/B00FEDHHKE/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2XP8W0YZ5TCCE&keywords=signstek+hifi+usb&qid=1579328803&sprefix=signstek+hifi%2Caps%2C212&sr=8-1
I would like more adoption of Linux, just so that we can get more hardware support and game support. i think even share amongst all the operating systems would be ideal, so that they have to TRY and compete and innovate to get mind share. Also have tried out the powerline extra fonts. you can make your powerline look like its on fire or more futuristic. Thats if get bored of the normal anglar look.
Me, too. In fact, I keep pestering people with it. Whenever I see someone using Windows I ask myself why the Hell they're doing so, and whenever someone asks me for help with computer-related issues, I recommend and/or promote Linux. I don't know how many Live USBs I've spread among people I know. As for Mac... Well, I struggle to understand them, but they're even harder to convince.
@@joschafinger126 What I do for Mac users is convince them to use Windows first (I teach them to debloat it so it runs nicely), to get them used to a bit more openness. Then when they realize the benefits of the newfound openness, then I propose Linux.
I let windows go 16 years ago there's no need for it anymore, if your a gamer then use a console your game will work out of the box no waiting for patches etc
@@2j4ez No. I refuse to use consoles. Between anticonsumer practices, exclusives, and a EULA where you never actually own the device drives me away. I rather struggle with wine for weeks to play a game.
@@ChrisTitusTech The main reason(s) mass adoption isn't happening is because of the lack Anti-Cheat (not Linux's fault) and how toxic the community is, for example in a yt comment section people were cussing at this dude who preferred MAC over Linux. Anyways I will switch to Elementary OS or Manjaro but I'll use a VM for AC games such as Apex.
Mouse wheel sensitivity. Would it really be that hard to have a GUI to control how many lines the screen scrolls with a turn of the mouse? The recommended solution is to use imwheel, which requires terminal, using an editor, install a line in the shell startup script, then invoke that each time I log in. Windows has had this feature since Windows 3 on top of DOS. I think it's just an example of what you describe as elite-ism, or I call it just snobbery. "We don't want people who rely on a mouse wheel, if you can't configure imwheel with our totally indecipherable non-documentation then you don't deserve to get to use LInux and we don't want to be associated with your kind" is their attitude. It dates back to the early days of Unix. There are hundreds of other examples but the simple act of customizing mouse wheel performance (and also pointer speed which never seems to work exactly right) should be in every desktop distro, but it's not.
This my friend is a problem of Xorg. X11 is very shitty. Try Wayland! (talking about display servers) I am able to set this in the config of my window manager (sway).
@@PyCoder82 I'm not a software developer. Is Linux intended only for people who can rewrite the code to their liking? That would be kind of a narrow market.
Just spent 6 months running Linux on my daily desktop (I've got two desktops running Linux without issue - one for video acquisition from DVD one for playback and research/reference in my hobby workshop) and have pretty much decided to drop it for reasons 1 to 3 you mention. I know the hardware I like and trust - and Linux just has too many problems with it. I know I could spend hours tinkering under the hood and make it work a little better, but it'll never reach the ease with which I've used it under Windows. My old desktops have behaved impeccably running Linux Mint 18.2 Cinnamon - they handle power management smoothly (the workshop system hasn't had a re-boot in over two years - though probably because it's off the network and I don't update it), but my newer system currently running LM 19.2 Cinnamon crashes at regular intervals and either won't go to sleep or won't wake up. No amount of fiddling with it has resolved this to my satisfaction, so I shall strip out Linux and go back to the demon Windows. Not ideal, but I'll enjoy my system a lot more. One thing I know for sure is that I shall enjoy going back to software that works consistently. None of the applications that I've used in Linux (despite the community claims) does what it should as well as the equivalent Windows software. And it'll be a delight to get back to a 'fail safe' system that will run all of my RAID drives as they should be running. No amount of effort has enabled me to get this functionality in Linux, whether it's the hardware I use or the firmware my system has [called 'fake RAID' - whatever the hell that means - by some of the community] I do not know? I only know that Linux has been impossible to set up with hardware that almost sets itself up on Windows. Perhaps I shall look at Linux again in another 10 years to see where it's got to, but as it must be over twenty years since I first looked at Linux and have repeated that 'look' at least five times in the intervening period, I doubt that I shall see anything that will make me warm to Linux as anything more than an non-intrusive OpSys for old hardware and limited functions. That said - it won't stop me looking. It'll just stop me using it when I come across the same problems again - the only thing I think I can be sure of from Linux - unless you take into account some of the latest trends in Linux that look an awful lot like the slippery slope that Microsoft took when Windows was approaching the Vista release... Perhaps Linux will turn the corner, maybe some of the elitists you mention will grow and the whole community will mature to the point where they can be as helpful as one would wish - we shall see. This is, of course, my own measured opinion (so don't bother trying to enflame me - I'm not going there) after having spent over 45 years working with computer hardware and software. I'd like to love Linux - but it's just not quite there - YET. Perhaps I ask too much when I ask, "How does one set up a system with two graphics cards, three monitors, two SSDs and four hard drives?" - but that's a question that is totally redundant as a Windows user (simply because it just works).
You already have Linux mass-adoption: Android (corrupted though that may be) Internet infrastructure. Linux *Desktop* mass-adoption on the other hand...
@@muricanmtg4039 Android itself is fine and open-source. But yes, most distributors do pump their phones full with telementary and data stealing apps and services.
Android is worse than corrupted, unless there's a MUCH larger community that has jailbroken their phones than I know about. It may technically be an Open Source OS, but who has the ability to customize it or it's configuration outside of those preinstalled GUI programs? Who has the ability to add apps that they coded to their phones without submitting said app to the Google Play Store? Get real folks, Google has just copied the page out of Apple's playbook and run with it... (Ok, maybe with a few tweaks, but let's be honest.)
5:55 I'd love to see you change most of these programs in 5 minutes as either part of a live stream or a series of videos called "Making Linux Sexy in 5 Minutes or less". Trust me, thinking about the design for 5 minutes is far easier than changing the program's design inside the code in 5 minutes. I get the sentiment, but some people like me would take it too literally knowing that it isn't easy to just uproot the existing design language of the program. I think of it as a call to action for all devs to make it easy to make the ui glorious by default (both through config changes and code maintenance such that these awesome changes actually take 5 minutes instead of 5-30 dev hours) instead of "let's party like we're still using AppleII desktops". 🥳
I just found you channel last week and have really enjoyed it. Thanks for the quality content. I have been using Linux on the desktop as my main system since around 2002 (I started with Slackware in 95). A lot of the design choices and standardization are because lower end machines are usually the target. There was also a push to look like Windows or OSX for a while. A distro like Mint with Cinnamon looks great out of the box. For a long time Nvidia was the only option for decent 3D accelerated drivers. The hardware for AMD (then ATI) was closed off and the driver's sucked. Nvidia was the first to offer anything. I do a lot of video conferencing in Linux. I don't have issues with echo while using an external mic and speakers. I'm not sure what you mean by audio features like echo correction. That is usually a software feature or baked into the hardware. Those people who don't want mass adoption will just switch to one of the BSDs when we finally have it. I think those are usually younger kids who feel elite using something different than everyone else.
@Matt M I manage a few windows machines and am aware of how it looks. I like it, so do the users I setup. The start menu works the same as win 10. Window decorations work out of the box. What exactly makes it look dated?
@Matt M Chasing trends is what big tech companies do, Windows 10 UI is functionally identical to Windows 7 just with a bunch of added features nobody wants that were only put there by marketing people because they thought it would convince you to hate Windows 7 enough to get rid of it. Linux Mint's not trying to sell more copies, they are just trying to provide the best user experience possible. That means keeping the UI consistent and only adding new features if they are really needed. No power user in Linux Mint keeps the default look anyway, only your grandma will rock that look, and then it's perfect.
@Matt M so who should fix how the distribution looks by default? Gnome has a modern interface and I don't like how it works so I use Cinnamon. I have choices which is what is important and a major benefit to using a Linux based distribution. Honestly at the end of the work day I don't care how the DE looks, as long as I can work. If you think this is a major issue you should recommend changes to the boards that makes these decisions on the distribution you want to change. Most of my 'clients' are research scientists or accounts (from a side gig).
KDE was the main reason I switched to Linux. I had always wanted to change the white background on Windows but it ended up looking ugly or the third party software was "suspicious" and I almost felt as if I was doing something illegal by just trying to change themes. On KDE I felt like a kid exploring and testing every change I made on the settings. It was fun and interesting. Dolphin, Oxygen Icons/Cursors, and specially the glowing Oxygen Window Decoration were much much better than Mac/Windows. I ended up learning CLI commands, history of FOSS, KDE4 vs KDE5, etc. On the other hand, GTK based Desktop Environments look aesthetically outdated. When I tried Ubuntu Vanilla, I just couldn't deal with the icon designs, the file manager, etc.
Same here, KDE with Oxygen theme lured me into Linux around 2008. Happily using Kubuntu ever since :) And I also love to experiment with different themes, and different distros as well...
I just installed Linux Ubuntu, and I'm getting used to it. I agree with you on the lack of standardization. It's great to have variety, but with too much variety it's hard to make anything work properly. And if you use the proper commands to "fix" an issue, it can sometimes break something else. I've heard that if you buy a laptop pre-installed with Linux, then these issues are either a lot less common or non-existent. If code isn't standardized, then installing non-native Linux that fights all the time with your hardware just makes things even more difficult.
"In Linux, things just work." This has been anything but my experience since first using Linux in '98. It's getting better over time but it still has a ways to go before mass adoption.
Everything is relative, tbh. Things might not be as seamless as they might appear even in other operating systems.
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If you have the latest hardware Linux is usually a problem, older machines all the drivers are there.Linux is always playing catch up. Windows had a monopoly with all the hardware manufacturers and controlled them.
Yeah nothing works as advertised and all instructions is wrong is my experience... Also instructions always miss important bits to get anything working. Not even on my Android phone they are able to get the instructions right lol.
I absolutely want Linux mass adaption, I annoy the hell out of people by trying to convince them about transitioning from Windows. However I think the standardization of Linux would undermine one of it's core strengths.
@@karmicneurot9829 I'm looking at it from a security viewpoint. If the system is not uniform it's more difficult to exploit it's weaknesses. I think around the end of last year Chris made a video about a security issue in KDE and sure it was quickly fixed, but still it was only a KDE issue. The other dozen popular UIs were unaffected. If it was more like Windows with one uniform desktop environment, then an issue like this would be a critical Linux issue aside of not being able to customize that part that much and not just KDE issue.
The popularity level right now is perfect for me. I feel 'embrace, extend, extinguish' is a genuine possibility if the desktop side of it got too popular.
@@azminek7154 That might be true... but some people argue that with the system being open source, that there should be enough eyes on it to catch things before they get TOO far. I would also remind you that yes, there may be a lot of nonstandard parts and pieces due to the different distros, but you still have a good portion of the GNU toolkit and the Linux Kernel that are close to FULL adoption... so your argument about the strength also has a bit of a hole in it.
Mass adoption is the best way to break the monopoly that Windows and Mac have. It will force major companies to develop Linux compatible applications, removing the advantage that Windows and even mac has.
No one should ever be forced to do anything. How'd you like it if I forced you to do things? Don't suggest it is good when others are forced to do things.
Thank you, Chris. Nvidia indeed makes things very complicated. Re scanners and printers, I have never had any problem. I love CUPs. The last time I printed anything using Windows was the first month of Vista and it took a looong time. I was so delighted by printing in Linux, including across the LAN that it sti;ll stands out in memory.
Yeah I’m totally with you on the audio situation in Linux, as it’s been a perennial bugbear with me since being introduced to Linux in the mid-2000s. It used to be I had to manually script the config in order for it to work at all, or that audio would lag in video media. Nowadays it always seems quieter than what it should be on the laptops I’ve run Linux on (compared to the Windows installs). Don’t get me wrong, it’s better than it used to be, but still needs a lot of improvement.
On my Dell Laptop running Windows turning off the audio processing in the Waves MaxxPro driver/app has the same effect of making the audio too quiet. Might be that those specific drivers were not designed to run the audio standalone without supporting software.
You hit the nail on the head. I finally got Arch installed and kinda working. But hey, I am a long time Homebrewer with some Ubuntu under my belt, but it was tough getting simple answers that were not well explained in the Arch Wiki (others may say it is a perfect document). Still, it was totally worth the effort to build from scratch. But trying to get help in the community was like pulling teeth, quite intimidating and after seeing this, it looks a lot like some are against mass-adoption so they keep their elite club private, with useless RTFM answers. Your channel helped me a lot.
When I had a nvidia card I never had any problems. I now have an AMD, and works. Printers, I use a HP multi function, works out of the box, super easy to setup, my wifes windoze machine has problems so much that she usually emails me what she wants printed.
I'll volunteer my 5, as a sysadmin for the last 10 years, supporting Linux servers: 1. inconsistency in operation - There is no consistent logic among apps or even portions of the kernel. This makes it so that those who support it (me for 10 years now on the server side) have to memorize the specific apps configuration and commands instead of just having a consistent logic to just keep track of a small subset. 2. EVERYTHING takes longer - Every configuration on every app takes far longer to change than a comparable Windows app or service. I can restart a service in Windows in under the time it takes to type out "service dhcpd restart", and configuring DHCP, for example, takes freaking forever in Linux, while it takes about 20 seconds in Windows. 3. Command line interface - Nearly everything in Linux is command line based, which is a great contributor to my carpal tunnel that is plaguing me right now. I have to deal enough with Cisco's horrible cli, I prefer to avoid Linux's whenever I can. A cli is, kind of the "so powerful" as the Linux followers say, but a gui can be just as powerful, and a gui have contextual elements to hint to a user what they can do and how, which a cli totally and completely lacks. You may be able to do "anything", but that doesn't matter if you don't have the file locations and commands memorized, or lack the ability to memorize as easily. Clever will outdo memory at every turn. 4. Decentralized configuration and logging - Microsoft long ago learned the use of having one central place to keep configurations and logging. It makes it much easier to do troubleshooting. Searching all over the place for configuration files and logs, if they're even in the default place, is a horrible way to spend hours when trying to bring up a downed server. 5. Nothing gets actually completed - The HUGE problem with Linux is the community itself. So many great ideas, and nobody ever follows up and completes the work. Oh, they'll claim it's done, and then discover several features never got implemented, or some major bugs that make many features useless never get fixed. They do so many things that would never fly with professional software. Managers may be a pain in the butt, but they bring out the best we have to offer. Employment isn't slavery, and doing work for a company isn't stealing your work. They just make sure things actually get completed. I'm speaking specifically of Salt, BIND, MySQL, Apache, and more. At least I've had only positive experiences with, and only with, haproxy. In ten years supporting Linux servers, and several attempts to make a usable Linux desktop, I have nothing but headache after headache with Linux.
Strongly agree with the point about graphical interface. I usually turn away from ugly programs. I actually had no idea you could customize a login manager like what you showed in the video, and had a hard time deciding which one I want to use since I plan on installing Arch. Now I know that it doesn't matter because it's customizable, and I can certainly spare a few minutes to do that.
#6 Bluetooth devices These are the bane of my existence under Linux. Bluetooth gaming controller - have to edit params to not auto-disconnect. Causes issues when you need disconnect it (will not reconnect w/o restarting of bluetooth subsystem) Bluetooth headsets/headphones - you get two layers of issues, bluetooth troubleshooting (drivers, connection, etc) AND dealing with the audio subsystem (see #3 in video). Bluetooth mice .... picky.. picky picky... In summary: pray to what ever incorporeal being you believe in.
12:07 *_Say that to Android users!_* Do you know how hard it is to increase your freedom on Android?! It's FOSS on paper but on practice it's anything but!
Lineage OS is a step in the right direction, however having to have access to the Play Store to really do anything does kind of defeat the purpose of installing it.
@@frataltay4543 Absolutely, F-Droid is awesome. Especially if you hate apps full of ads and in-app purchases. But sadly there isn't a solution for everything there.
"In Linux, things just work." - This has not been my experience. I ALWAYS have to tweak things on a fresh install to make even the most basic of hardware function correctly. Whether it's my touchpad on my mainstream Lenovo notebook with Intel graphics in Manjaro, or Debian not having support for my WiFi card...or the incessant black border flickering in CentOS. Or there's the terrible audio switching and crackling in virtually all distros when using my Realtek built-in audio. And don't even get me started on my 6700K desktop. It does not "just work". There are always tweaks and customizations and switches to flip...so, nVidia being a PITA does not bother me...when so many other things have lackluster OOtB support.
In Windows things just work until they don't either... At work, we have a printer in the office which worked well for 2 months and then out of the sudden on my laptop it stopped working (communication to printer went down from some unclear reason). IT stuff tried to fix it but the end solution was to clean wipe the drivers and install it again. Windows very often breaks itself with time, while in Linux you may have initial problems, but once they are dealt with, things work forever, unless you are using rolling distro ;) - that's another story.
@@rabidwallaby84 Linux has the better "out of the box" driver experience, but sometimes rare chipsets are used that are not supported yet. Windows has good support out of the box, but the superiority comes with most of the hardware manufacturer providing windows drivers on their homepage. That means you can easily search for all missing drivers on windows, where on linux it is harder to find fitting drivers, if these are not part of the package manager or official repositories. Therefor in most cases you do not need to tinker around, because the drivers support is really great on Linux. Nvidia is also providing their proprietary drivers as additional modules to install.
@@michadybczak4862 That is a really good reason. I wasn't able to think of why I found Linux easier than Windows. But you have stated one of the biggest reasons. Once Linux is set up correctly, it just keeps working forever. It doesn't keep breaking the way Windows does. Also it is always up to date without any effort. Rolling release issues? I use Gentoo and it is always the latest release, never had a problem. Kept 2 machines going for 10 years or more without any problems. The only extra effort could come from not updating for too many months. Another benefit is that system updates are done while the system continues normal operations.
@@seanrodgers1839 I'm using Manajro for over 5 years and in my mind there were no problems. But to be honest, I recall various situations where some smaller fix had to be applied. There were some fuc*^ ups from Arch side so one time system wasn't bootable (some broken Grub update, was fixed in matter of 2 hours but I had bad luck to install the update before fix arrived), etc. but that is because I'm on testing branch and such situation may happen. Also, AUR packages need to be re-compliled once in a while when some dependencies are updated. However, this is fine for an experienced user. For an average user, LTS distros are way better and more stable, boringly stable :P.
I'm not happy with my answer: I think Linux is not for everybody. Not because is harder than Mac or Windows, is because most people aren't willing to learn something new, even if it's better
I have a neighbor who had Windows 8 on his laptop. When it started having problems I had him try Linux Mint. Since he only does email and youtube he had no problems learning how to use it with the exception of Brasero to make audio CDs. Since he only does it every 4 months or so I sometimes have to show him how to do it again. My main problems is getting the network printers to work on different flavors of Linux.
@@Freakazoid12345 First of all: I've never said Linux is better than any other thing. Saying an OS is better than other is like saying a Prius is better than a Bentley because it gives you more mpg. I've been using Linux for more than 10 years, i've never noticed that it was broken. Please, tell me, how is it "broken"?
@@Freakazoid12345 not quite sure I agree with that statement. I guess it's a mixed bag based on your machine, but personally Linux has been significantly more stable than windows on my desktops/laptops. Even with some Nvidia befudgery it's been better, because I've also had (a lot of) Nvidia issues on windows... (Hey, when I upgraded my Laptop's network card to a WiFi6 version it worked straight outta the gate on Linux (kernel already had the driver installed) whereas windows (that i downloaded/installed layer) really wasn't a fan of the brand new network card.)
Hello, Chris, & all CTT folk; Thank you for all you do, Chris. I gave up on Nvidia years ago,. If any company wants my money I expect them to be RESPONSIVE to their customers. That means not expecting me to buy their latest 3 products every year, whether I need it or not. If sales drives your company maybe I don't need your product. Which is partly why when Win7 hit EOL I installed MX linux on my box. As for linux growing I think that's a net positive. But I also think there are too many 'hidden secrets' in the OS, like how-to do this or that. IMO most people are too lazy to expend much effort to learn how to do something new. In general linux just works-make that the 'motto', then help people that want to learn. Maybe a page on your site [whatever] where you show how to do something you think is too simple to spend time on. That way you contribute to flooding the os market w/ info & knowledge. Lastly, as a newb I need to know more than I do, so I thank everyone who offers help & info. Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!
Thanks - this is the most sensible video about Linux downsides that I have ever watched. Very considered and reasonable. Agree with all of them. Although my personal #1 hatred is Grub, the bootloader from hell that has taken over the world of Linux 😁
not sure its a bad thing but i have never used grub loader or any derivatives. i just have 2 ssd's one with win10 and another with linux mint so whenever i want to switch i f8 and choose.
On outdated GUIs, I've been using Linux since 1995, where it was an achievement to just get a bare stipple background up (meaning you got X to work without blowing your monitor up) and then using fvwm. While I agree that things could stand to look less ugly in 2020, I absolutely hate the whole "flat" look that permeates every OS and device today. I pine for the actual 3D looks of fvwm and Motif, where buttons and widgets LOOKED like they could be clicked or interacted with, and we didn't have to play "mystery meat navi" and ask "what's a hamburger menu?" When all's said and done, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder here. It always will be. My "looks good" will probably be your "it's ugly as sin."
I love how everyone always takes it out context as if Linus was referring to all of Nvidia and not just their Optimus drivers. I've watched the whole Q&A myself.
Well said, Chris. I find that Linux still presumes that the user has more of a computer background and is willing to go under the hood and use the CLI for example, when necessary. Something almost totally alien to a Windows or Mac user, even though such interfaces do exist on these systems as well. For example, I finally got my Brother MFC-7340 to scan, major accomplishment, with a bit of tweaking, manually editing config files, after a bunch of Google searches. But on Windows the machine is seen as a scanner and works right out of the box. So that's where the part of the resistance to adoption comes from. People just want to turn their computers on and go. Similarly, all the power and configurability is overwhelming, especially for newcomers. For people at the mercy of whatever Microsoft or Apple decides their interface is going to look like is what they have to adapt and use, with little or no other customization options available if they'd rather do something else. In contrast, Linux offers so much choice, perhaps too much. Even the sheer number of "families," whether based on Arch, Debian, Red Hat, etcetera, each are all Linux, but can almost be counted as so many "tribes," with a measure of almost downright hostility, or certainly an "elitism" posited by the members of one "tribe" over another, "REAL users use [insert name of your tribe here], [another distro name] is so LAME in comparison, who'd even think of using THAT!?? " People reading things like that are going to be put off even before they give Linux any real consideration as an alternative. The lack of standardization, as you alluded to, is going to make the adoption curve harder to climb as well. Not a lost cause, by any means, but it seems that the Linux community is its own worst enemy in some regards. But the point is that for things to become better, for the MFC printers of the world to configure themselves as easily as they do in Windows, Linux is going to have to get a larger market share so that the manufacturers have reason to write the drivers and make it work that way. Which means wider adoption, which has problems, sort of a classic chicken-and-egg issue, but if we can all stop squawking long enough to embrace the larger goal, Linux may become a real player, rather than the less-than-2% outlier that it is right now for desktop/laptop users compared to the 97.47% combined share of Windows (87.37%) and Apple (10.10%). See: netmarketshare.com/linux-market-share?options=%7B%22filter%22%3A%7B%22%24and%22%3A%5B%7B%22deviceType%22%3A%7B%22%24in%22%3A%5B%22Desktop%2Flaptop%22%5D%7D%7D%5D%7D%2C%22dateLabel%22%3A%22Trend%22%2C%22attributes%22%3A%22share%22%2C%22group%22%3A%22platform%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%7B%22share%22%3A-1%7D%2C%22plotKeys%22%3A%5B%7B%22platform%22%3A%22Linux%22%7D%5D%2C%22id%22%3A%22linux%22%2C%22dateInterval%22%3A%22Monthly%22%2C%22dateStart%22%3A%222019-01%22%2C%22dateEnd%22%3A%222019-12%22%2C%22segments%22%3A%22-1000%22%7D
Nvidia has worked a lot better for me on Linux, and (unfortunately) I need CUDA (because unfortunately OpenCL is a failure). I see absolutely no problem with using a proprietary *anything* on a computer. FOSS fanatics are the #1 complaint I have about Linux, and they are frankly the reason there hasn't been wider adoption of Linux. They're the reason why CUDA has taken over the world, and why Nvidia is so dominant in real world getting stuff done scenarios. I like FOSS, but insisting on it for absolutely everything is an absolute disaster in the real world. Most people aren't FOSS fanatics, they're just regular people trying to get real stuff done in the real world. You have to appeal to those people by yes, sometimes compromising. Once they're on your "team", you can much more easily get them to appreciate the value of FOSS. Long-term victories are better than short term purity tests and principled losing.
My Linux hatelist - 1. Bluetooth 2. Audio 3. Scanner 4. Kdenlinve ( I will soon start a fundraiser for this) 5. Proprietary hardware (like Mac - I run Manjaro on my Mac, but wecam gives problem) 6. Substandard version of Office suite apps (like zoom, ms office, postman? etc)
If you are looking for ideas for a noobie video... here is my problem. How do you create and manage "users" in Linux. I bought a computer with Linux on it. I would like to delete the pre-made user that came on the computer, add a few family members with their own user profiles. I would also like to reset the Root password to something I created. I have this sinking feeling its command line only and I am about to dig in and see what I can learn about it now. However the above video seemed like a perfect time to pose the question ;-)
Once you work out how to install something like Mint the actual use is simple. Hell if you have the USB stick you never need to install if you can boot from the USB stick.
Chris if you are still using Pop OS you can install the Ubuntu studio controls for audio and it unifies everything, Pulse, Alsa and Jack so you can screen record with Jack and pulse can still have audio through as well for something like a youtube video in the browser. The install command for apt is install ubuntustudio-controls. It will basically make any Ubuntu based distro work like Apple's Core audio. 1 driver to rule them all, so everything from HDMI to USB and Thunderbolt audio interfaces work with it.
Hey Chris, the Zorin team has announced something called Zorin Grid. Will you please make a video on that explaining what that is? And also tell us that thing Zorin Grid is announcing has been done by any other distros or not?
You hit upon the problems that always convince me to go back to Windows. Printers especially; I depend on my printer (and scanner) to be productive, and I don't have hundreds of hours to learn and tweak Linux, I want a computer that does the job so I can spend hundreds of hours learning other things.
Yes it's there, but try explaining that to the average computer user that just gives you a blank stare when you tell them to open a Terminal window, and never used anything command line based in their life, and on my main computer running Manjaro W/Budgie, I could not run updates via Pamac, or terminal for the life of me last night getting invalid package errors. long story short I had to repopulate my keys via terminal window, and reboot. Never in my life would someone I described before figure that out, and would give up in frustration. stuff like this is why Linux has not been adopted more, but as a tech geek I love it as well.
@@CommodoreFan64 It’s actually much easier to give a user a command sequence to copy and paste in a terminal, than to try to guide them through a maze of menus and dialogs that randomly change in every new Windows update. Yes, I have done Linux support for nonexperts over the phone.
@UCZ_AbI_szjtL6ltjEZmUI-Q It’s actually much easier to give a user a command sequence to copy and paste in a terminal, than to try to guide them through a maze of menus and dialogs that randomly change in every new Windows update. Yes, I have done Linux support for nonexperts over the phone.
@UCZ_AbI_szjtL6ltjEZmUI-Q It’s actually much easier to give a user a command sequence to copy and paste in a terminal, than to try to guide them through a maze of menus and dialogs that randomly change in every new Windows update. Yes, I have done Linux support for nonexperts over the phone.
I love how audio works in Linux. I can even transmit it over the network allowing me to play music on one computer and the sound come out of an other. Try doing that on Windows. Also....I have never had any complaint about login/desktop loop and power management...maybe it is just SUSE putting that five minutes in or something, but seriously...I love everything about how my openSUSE installations looks, feels, and acts. I only have two complaints, the NVIDIA issue and after.local disappearing.
I love linux, but I hate that it don't work well on some laptops. On a desktop it is easier to change a component that doesn't work well with linux, on a laptop it isn't always possible. And there is years that I don't buy a Desktop.
I am using an older Asus which works great with it, but my old Samsung Laptop was very dodgy with it's support. For my next laptop i'll go with System76 or tuxcomputers style and check them out.
Hi Chris Titus GREAT video (subscribed as well). I am only familiar with the nvidia drivers/cards in (rhel based) distro CentOS/Fedora. Does the AMD video drivers bundled (does it require any recompiling like nvidia)? thank you!
I think it is healthy to evaluate things we spend so much time on. You might find that you are going against the grain for something that isn't even worth the hassle.
The great thing about TH-cam is there is no standard and I can talk about everything Linux, Windows, and Mac. I'm a lifelong computer user that still uses all 3 OS's. This can cause some confusion because people can't put me in one specific category. In the end, I just use what is best and just give tutorials and opinions on it.
@@ChrisTitusTech I am a new Linux user thanks to my rediscovery of the raspberry pi! So you can say I'm a bit of an enthusiast. But that doesn't mean that sometimes that I don't miss windows because that's what I know. But I have committed myself to learning and using Linux and I appreciate channels like yours for the tips and just encouragement not to give up! Especially since you are a fairly recent convert yourself. I now love Linux and find myself missing it when I am at work on my Windows computer.
You know what is stopping me from switching to linux full time? It is the audio and i dont mean the issue that titus stated. It is an audio bug on linux with certain AMD cpus and realtek audio chips which 99% of the computers out there use on the motherboard since well who else makes audio codec chips for mass motherboard manufacturers to put on there? The issue has been there for 3 years now and it still hasn't been fixed despite 9 months earlier someone from the opensuse community finally acknowledging it and saying the fix will be made in kernel 5.3 onwards and will be back ported. 3 years in total have past and 9 months since that post and the issue still inst fixed. If you cannot get something as simple as some weird compatibility with audio hardware then how can you expect them to get anything right at that point is the real question? Why, just why have 3 years past the problems introduction and it still hasn't been fixed yet and been ported to the main stream kernel? It is tiny stuff like this that putts of the regular joe. I want to really use linux because windows crashes my pc non stop due to driver issues and updates making it unstable whenever they feel like it. But i cannot withstand my ears bleeding on linux audio issues with some audio codec that is found on literally every single motherboard out there. So you wanna know some unmentioned problems there ya go. Just one of many many issues i have with linux distros.
Totally agree. Though I can add another one: ease of use. Don't get me wrong, I've been using Linux at my work for more than 4 years now and I believe I got some reliable experience with it, but man sometimes it is so hard to configure something to work properly... Especially with gaming where I just want performance and at the very least stable 60 fps. I've got high-end hardware and as stated in the video, unfortunately my GPU is nvidia, and that just makes it worse. Sometimes I get as far as 40-50% worse FPS than on my Win10. It would be so much better if it JUST WORKS out of the box like in Windows. There I just start it, tweak the graphic settings and just play and don't care about much else, but with Linux there is always the need to tweak some Wine file, DXVK file, application startup settings or some other bulls**t and it wastes so much time, it gets me angry every single time. Again, it's not Linuxes fault that most game companies choose to target Windows alone, but in its current state playing hardware-intensive games on Linux is just not a good experience.
NVIDIA cards work great on Linux, have been using them for years, on most of the distros the drivers are in the repos, even on the NVIDIA site it tells you to go download from from your distro.
I agree, my Nvidia card has been a great experience. It makes me a little sad I can't use Sway, but only a little, and a lot of people besides Nvidia share the blame for that.
Wow, 2020, look how this channel has grown! I think I subbed back before 10K, looks like Linux market share is growing at a steady but substantial pace! Great Work Chris!
the fact that Linux is so well known makes it crazy because I'm a 12 yr old and I have had enough with windows so I'm deciding about switching to Linux thanks for the tutorials man keep up the good work
No _real_ standardization. Dangerous updates. I'm using older nvidia drivers because it would crash with anything newer. No support for peripherals. Corsair, MS, Logitech special buttons. You get two mouse buttons and qwerty keyboard. Sound support. IPv6 FORCED down our throats. Always ending up in the command line sooner or later. Putting HDDs to sleep. RAM caching!
Yep is not a intuitive OS and the user must be skilled to config your own computer, but the fun is in that IMO, like the people who actually make they system running flawlessly, in fact are quite skilled in what they do, and for many, it becomes a gratification! Nowadays even a 10 year old kid knows how to isntall and config windows.. that's the diference
@@petertomov5728 Yeah, they have huge monopoly... But either way, is very easy to crack theyr software, besides, almost every malware are written to target windows users
@@ismafernandes693 Well, unfortunately I still have to service Windows machines and the software has to be legally purchased [ thank gods for 2nd hand eBay licenses ]. And let me tell you: since Win 10, fixing a Win machine is an ordeal sometimes
Linux desktop works pretty well, the biggest issue is not the os it's the third party apps. I need to run stuff like solidworks and mastercam for my work. Also I need to edit PDF forms and save them. The problem is, no Linux version exist for these programs. I can run them in a VM but that kind of defeats the purpose. FOSS alternatives kind of exist but they lack the capabilities needed.
I have a license for acrobat pro, and plenty of alternatives exist for reading PDF or creating a new PDF but none handle forms already created in acrobat pro correctly. I'm normally just filling out forms folks created in other departments.
Systemd is fine. It's "cool" to hate on it apparently. (the Gentoo and i3wm types are the ones who QQ the most about it) If you're not that type of user, systemd not only gets the job done, it does it in a way that is, frankly, more approachable by by new Linux users than any of the other options. Pulse runs *on* ALSA. (ALSA is a dependency of Pulseaudio) it's not 2 different subsystems. ALSA is dope. Pulse is, well, meh and needs a ton of work. (high end professional) Printing sucks if you're not willing to go down a tinkering rabbit hole. TBF most weird printing use-cases *are* solvable if you're inclined to follow the white rabbit. Mass adoption is a nice idea until you start thinking about what exactly that means in terms of the loss of choice and flexibility for power users in the name of attracting less sophisticated and newer users (the Mac and Windows general audience) It gets kinda murky. I guess I would like one of the major distros to be a "gateway" for new users that can be a "drop-in replacement" in terms of features and usability visuals and all that. Right now, Elementary is the closest to that. I guess I wish that it was from either Canonical directly, because of the size of the ecosystem or maybe even KDE taking their weird testing "not-a-distro" distro Neon and going full consumer OS with it. But a unified DE would be the beginning of the end for Linux in general. Choice above all else.
I've started using linux about the same time as you. Same distro hopping. We've got three desktops not counting the Intel D2500 running pfSense used as our router. So, far almost 20 pages of notes. Because as you mentioned there's lots to learn. We have a newly installed Unifi Access Point. Great hardware. Its actually an enterprise level device as opposed to consumer. For Windows you simply need Java JRE and the Unify Controller installed. One download of each, set up an account with Unifi and you are up and running. I still have one SSD on my test box that has Win 7. But almost never use it anymore and support just ended. Hence linux. But on the Unifi side for linux things get a little more complicated. Unifi uses Mogodb. Its built into the install for Windows. But not linux. The current controller version for Windows is like 5.12. For linux its 5.6. The current version of Mongodb is 4. x. The one that Unifi uses is 3.4. 3.4 needs libcurl3. Current version is 4.0. Its a nightmare. I tried installing it on Debian 10. Debian 10 has libcurl4 and the Mogodb website is current at 4.x. Its a butcher job to add repositories from earlier versions of Debian. So, for home use, I don't have a need to have the controller running all the time. Just get on Windows, launch the controller and attach to the AP to update firmware and done.
der ek. I would appreciate any help. Will I have to download Nvidia Graphic Card as I have "Generic PnP Monitor (1366x768@60Hz) Intel HD Graphics (Acer Incorporated [ALI])" installed in my win10 OS . I haven't decided whether to download linux inside my win10 OS, or in a partition alongside win10. HD space no problem.
I'm not sure I've seen that, except a couple of years ago with MTP, but that's a Microsoft thing anyway, so no surprise there. Seems to work well now in Manjaro with my Nexus 6P.
In Manjaro I've honestly have found both USB 2.0, and 3.0 transfers to be faster than Windows 10, but yes years ago I have ran across that in an older version of Mint on my old MSI Wind U230 Light netbook.
@@PyCoder82 Was using Mint 19.3 and a ntfs usb. pulled the usb out and stuck it in another and it wouldn't mount. Tried other pc's with mint and it wouldn't mount. Stuck my Win7 HDD back in and it mounted...
Audio on Linux is superior. Please try jack-audio. It is a pain un the ass to setup but when It works... You can get free latency improvements even for gaming.
@@ChrisTitusTech stackoverflow askubuntu.com/questions/572120/how-to-use-jack-and-pulseaudio-alsa-at-the-same-time-on-the-same-audio-device The guy with 9 likes with some screenshots. (You dont need realtime kernel only need to be on the realtime group) If you want better latency install low latency kernel but dont needed. It sound counterintuitive but a game with pulse-jack-sink have better latency than pulseaudio only. (Only because of better control on buffer size) I had cracking audio on dirt rally and after lot of strugling It goes away with pulse to jack-sink.
@@aiden_macleod Not sure what is your background. If you are an audio producer, I understand that you have more knowledge than me. If you measure latency, routing capabilities and other features that linux kernel have, you can understand that no other OS is better than linux. Linux is tunable for your use case not the other way round. th-cam.com/video/fEduGnD6ZKQ/w-d-xo.html You can learn more about audio producing from unfa. check his channel.
Hey Chris, I use Linux since 1999 with SuSE Linux and since 2002 Debian. I tried BSD and other Distros but I always settled back to Debian, because of Debians packaging system and it works out of the box. The things I nowadays don't like the most are that there are no alternatives to systemd in each Distro. Because choices and configurability is what made Linux so great in the first place. I am absolutely against mass adoption of Linux, I wish it would stay a niche OS like before Windows 10 release. Look at things today that got mass acceptance and see what happened to them recently, like TH-cam, Gaming, Elder Scrolls, Gnome 3, Ubuntu, etc. Corporate greed is killing these. Using a niche OS is not about being special, elitist or better, it is about being different. Seems like I need to switch to BSD to escape the mainstream.
One thing I really appreciate about using Chrome OS is the polish google mandated on their apps. They just look good, and while I've never gotten Wine to work in a useful way on a Linux PC yet, Chrome OS's CrossOver is super easy to use for running windows apps. Polish and ease of use matters.
#1: yeah, I share Linus' feelings as well. #2: I actually just bought a modest networked Brother laser printer recently and it was an absolute pain to set up with the Windows machines and I completely gave up with the Mac Machine and connected it via USB. Linux . . . it worked right the first time. It works will all of my Linux machines straight away. Love that. #3: Well, it's better than it used to be. However, it's not anywhere near where it needs to be. Personally, JACK has been driving me crazy. I've mostly given up on it. #4: The look doesn't bother me. The lack of consistency is more irritating. This is where Apple *cough* (sorry) actually did it right. Should I use gtk+? qt? wxWidgets? #5: Another thing that shouldn't be an issue, but it is.
I haven't seen Linux elitism ever. There are really justifiable fears when it comes to mass adoption. I don't think there are many who are against it in theory, but they fear the consequences of too fast adoption. Free software ideology already got near extinct. The same can happen in essence to Linux. I'm hoping more adoption, but the thing I want the most is that FOSS people would defend their ideology and projects.
Android is the mass adoption of Linux. That’s what the majority wants. There are a lot of Linux users who do not care about the GNU project and want to give their personal data away.
@@xijinpingpong4426 Android uses modified Linux kernel, but it sure isn't Linux. Almost nobody wants to give their personal data away, it's not like there are choices. Calling Android Linux is like calling chainsaw a car because it has gasoline engine. Majority isn't interested in Linux. They are unaware of the long term problems of giving up data and problems with proprietary software in general. But that is slowly changing.
I'm just daily driving Linux for a while now and most of things looks great so far, but some things like what you said made me appreciate more Windows. The thing that surprised me the most is discovering that sometimes FOS Software doesn't always "work better on Linux" as one would believe. For example, Audacity supports realtime effects on Windows and Debian, but not on Fedora because the plugin is debian based.
I agree with all of them ... getting GTX 750 to run on 1080p took me around 4 hrs to figure out bumblebee issue and installing proprietary drivers in MX 19. Mass adoption to Linux is a must. But I'd love more people to adopt using OSI compliant software on other platforms like LibreOffice, KdenLive, DavinciResolve, etc that way with increasing user base more work shall be done for standardization in application front and Fragmentation shall become as negligible as clear to nubes encouraging mass adoption of Linux. (Personally, I love the way android overcomes fragmentation by standardizing applications on their store with HIG while continuing to offer more hardware choices)
One thing which I hate about Linux: most of the time the default audio volume is 100% which can easily damage your ears. Out of Chris his top 5 for me elitism is on number 1.
If your system is storing 100% volume then it is broken. It was never installed or configured properly. Not all distribution maintainers know what they're doing. There's commands you're supposed to run as root that configures a lot of things. $ sudo -i # alsamixer Set your levels. # alsactl -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state store # alsactl -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state restore Doing that should store your settings and test that they work.
@@1pcfred It is not about which audio-volume it stores, it is about which audio-volume it has as default. Setting the default at 100% is a bad design-choice, it shouldn't be more than 30-40% at default. I guess you could set it yourself just to prevent this from happening but in the case of Cinnamon that does not help either because you get this sound while it starts up. But thanks for the information, I haven't looked into that in detail. I am going to take a look.
@@peterjansen4826 by default most distros come stock with audio muted. Which causes people a lot of problems. Then they think their sound doesn't work at all. Linux needs a getting started guide.
@@1pcfred Putting it at 100% is not a solution! Better just keep it on the low side and everybody is happy. If somebody can't find the volume changing icon then he can't be helped as a computer-user.
Hey Titus, since you mentioned sleep and suspend options, whats actually the difference, i used both a few times on my Fedora31 System, but i really cant tell the difference.
8:45 It's fragmentation. In fact, the open nature of the ecosystem means that all different approaches to solve a particular problem are competing, until one approach eventually dominates and others are abandoned. But it takes a very long time.
5 years might be an underestimate. I have been using Linux off and on for almost 20 years and full time for around a decade. I have dealt with production headaches, such as offline package installation in an airgapped system (a form of dependency hell) and digging deep into logs to figure out why an application install appears to be failing. I am definitely one of those WM/vim keybinding obsessed users. Yet, there are many things I have yet to do with Linux. A few off hand are rolling a custom kernel, anything with btrfs, VNC, Samba, NVIDIA driver troubleshooting, Gentoo/LFS, snaps and similar, Fedora Silverblue, creating a custom or offline package manager repo, AppArmor/SELinux configuration, emacs... The list could go on and on. The breadth and depth of "Linux" is incredible.
All of my are Nvidia, but they work great to. Even with all my 3D gaming. Just stay behind is the key and yes you have to install the proprietary driver of course. No big deal for me. I do homework when it comes to all my peripheral devices. All my work with no problems. gamepad, webcam, printer, scanner and all. I agree with audio sorta. I have no problems with my audio, it sounds great. But tweaking is needed though. But even all of Linux needs tweaking. Ugly, many applications are ugly. Not sure if this is done on purpose or not. But like you said, 5 minutes you can make it at least 80% beautiful. Another 10 minutes and you'll have it the way you want it. I like the way Linux is. But I guess I'm a tinker kinda person.
"Why didn't they spend the extra 5 minutes to make it look good?" The trouble is, it isn't just 5 minutes - it takes a huge amount of time and effort to make things look properly polished, which is a big part of why it's so uncommon. It also requires a whole separate skill set besides programming.
And the question with open source is why don't *you* spend five minutes making things look properly polished. It's very easy to demand people who are working for free (at least for you) do the things you want.
I don't like the resources systemd uses and I'm pretty sure it hosed my system last night too. So it is buggy. And yeah I am not a fan of systemd having its hooks all over my PC too. But if it just worked right I'd be OK with it.
it does work right, in fact I think it’s one of the good steps Linux has taken over the years. You know what drives non tech savvy people away from Linux? the overwhelming amount of things that they need to do and change to get the system how they want it to. making something a standard feature is actually really good and brings the code together and makes it easier, now people can experiment with the terminal and understand they can call things using systemctl instead of different pieces of software/code to make things run. systemd has some bugs, for sure, every piece of software has bugs and they are being fixed as they go, but complaining about systemd because it has “bugs” or because “it doesn’t work” is not a good argument. Linux should always be FOSS but it should be more standardized so more people can come to it and enjoy the system without having to use command lines all the time (which even freaked me out a bit when I started making my move). One thing I love about OS X is that the command line is entirely optional. it’s bash and you can put zsh/fish and basically works the same way you would expect on Linux, you can do everything from the Terminal on a Mac but 80% of the users will open a Terminal window once in a while and literally copy/paste and they are done. On Linux even if you copy/paste codes on the terminal you can have errors as some distros use different hierarchy’s for files, they name things differently, this and that and it’s just overwhelming for most people to make a move. It’s not complicated at all but for most people this will be their reason not to use linux and we as a community should change that. Be FOSS but be more standardized under the hood so we can make it more accessible for the masses.
@@aurichio7783 the masses do not need to run Linux, or computers at all for that matter. Linux will gain nothing by catering to the lowest common denominator. Power is naturally difficult to weild. Nothing can be done about it beyond acceptance. If you want to play in the majors then you need to display the requisite competence when you step up to the plate. Dumbing the game down so everyone gets a participation award is not the answer.
@@aurichio7783 um not sure what triggered this wall of text, as i did not complain about systemd bugs or what not; all software has bug. i simply stated something what makes a lot of people uneasy: systemd is not just an init system aka systemd has a lot of seemly unrelated functionalities. that's it; do with that what you will
@@1pcfred i disagree; if the masses use computers they should use linux. but systemd has nothing to do with that. if a distro has sane defaults and has gui config options fir user relevant options that should be enough. in fact for the masses what we need would only need a readonly rootfs, and a 'userfs' where they can do user stuff. and even then its distro specific and still doesn't have anything to do with systemd or any of the underlying programs or commands. as for what linux has to gain from mass adoption? 'commercial support' and ofcourse even more devs to improve linux as an ecosystem
The thing is, most of the stuff you mention is more a problem with the stuff running on Linux, not Linux itself Multiuser sound support? Just make a simple gui program where you can save configuration stuff in the user's `.bashrc` to automatically restore whenever the user logs back in or opens a new terminal There also is probably a version of `.bashrc` for whenever the user logs into the desktop (I. E. Runs whenever that occurs)
Yep most people are lazy creatures of habit. Take my fiance I gave her a used but really nice Lenovo Thinkpad with 8GB of RAM, SSD, etc.. even installed Chromium OS on it to make it easier for her(she is not the most tech savvy person) after her old ACER POS Windows Netbook died and to this day the dang thing has maybe only been used a dozen times, as she just won't make it easier on herself, and keeps using her phone for everything, and complains when it does not do what she wants, and when I point out the Thinkpad it's NOPE!!! You do it!! lol
No, they want "it just works". No configurations to mess around with, no problems plugging in a new device, etc. They look at computers as a means to an end.
I would say it has more to do with advertising. Apple and Microsoft spent a fortune annually to convince the uneducated they are the only thing out there. Admittedly I am new to linux distros but I am liking them more with every use.
As a power user, I think that it is even harder to switch. There are so many things that you have to get to know well. It took me many years to fully switch. The trouble people have with switching is the few things that you can't do, or are harder to do. What few people go on about are the things that are easier on Linux and the many things that you can do on linux that you can't do on Windows. The trouble is that the benefits of Linux are not obvious or things people don't know or care about. That is why these benefits are not part of a commercial product. Just like how seatbelts weren't in cars or used by all until it was the law. For some people what you find harder others find better. Not all people see things the same Now that I use Linux fulltime, I find it far superior in almost every way and much easier to use. I would never want to back to Windows with all of it's headaches. I'll take Linux headaches over Windows headaches any time.
Regarding this concern for standardization: there's already 3+ standards that Linux developers follow: LSB, SUSv3 and the POSIX standards. This standardizes as the file system with the goal of intentionally leaving implementation up to the developer. The goal of Linux and UNIX has always been The production of a stable, enterprise grade system while providing the ability for people to easily develop on it. True Linux developers have never really worried about consumers in the Linux world. Thats why Linus Torvalds really isn't concerned about the desktop space and claims the Chromebook is what will make Linux mainstream for desktops. Because it comes pre-installed and configured.
"Do you want Linux mass adoption" I do. I'm a gamer, and as soon as more people start using Linux, more devs will be porting/developing their games for Linux.
@@motoryzen at least until you throw anti cheat in the mix... :( Hoping that gets working soon, so many games get borked because of it.
@@motoryzen A lot works and sadly a lot don't. Even running epic games through lutris has been hit or miss for me. Most of the free games works fine but some of them will have problems. Like I installed arkham asylum and the frame rate was horrible. Then I used d9vk and the framerate became acceptable but it started crashing. I don't know what was I doing wrong. Do you have any tips on running egs on linux?
@@austinbachurski7906 so about EAC (Easy AntiCheat) the system that's borking a bunch of proton running games. EAC has builds for Windows, Mac and yes..Linux. The problem as of right now is the Windows version of EAC running IN Wine. It's not deliberate and I'm told they're working with Valve to figure it out. Patience, Grasshopper.
@Prem Kumar or... just use Proton in Steam. And for non-steam games just install wine-staging and DXVK and enable it. Bang done. Lutris is superfluous now. When it comes to running Windows games on DXVK, almost all the "workarounds" and tweaks that are posted on protondb.com are specifically for Steam anyway.
@@motoryzen The bigger barrier IMO is mods and utilities. For example, BGEE is Linux native, but EE Mod Manager, EE Keeper etc are Windows only. Sure, you can set them up in WINE, but that's a pain in the ass and feels like you're polluting your Linux install.
I completely agree with the "Design" point of view. Linux has the potential to look absolutely stunning
Although 'Stunning' takes a bit longer than the suggested "five minutes".
@@IamBrianDickson Agree. Having done some UI design for my small addon for blender, I can tell that it takes way more than 5 min.
Still I would agree, I 9 out of 10 I would chose the software that looks cool over the one that doesn't. Especially if the difference is some small feature.
agreed. kinda. The "Design" part of Linux isn't really a thing. It's really all about the DE design. And the thing is, that if the DE was unified, the choice that attracts so many people to Linux in the first place evaporates. I would prefer that Gnome and KDE would have a nicer "out of the box" experience rather than reduce user-flexibility. I'll never use a default theme no matter how nice because I'm an artist and I like my environment to be *my* visuals. I seriously don't want that ability to go away, 3especially in the name of making Linux more palatable to Windows/Mac users
@@GradyBroyles If they would just default to dark themes (and Adwaita used icons that weren't hideous - Breeze looks OK) they'd still look way better than Windows.
i used to get annoyed by the design but now i tend to love the simplest no-work design in some Linux programs (like thunar icons for example) , i am annoyed when i use some gnome based program because of the design especially the big bar. i have a 12" laptop.
i just change the colors sometimes
Do I want to see mass adoption of Linux?
Short Answer: Yes.
protip: it's already happened. What you mean is mass DESKTOP adoption. And for that it's not desirable for the entire Linux family to unify their GUI's under a single standard.
My answer: No.
I don't want Linux to suffer the same fate as Android.
@@GradyBroyles I'm pro-mass adoption but against excessive standardisation. Still, if apps inheriting theming from the DE was a tad smoother, I'd much appreciate it. I mean, Audacity on KDE with an Oxygen - based dark theme does look a bit half-baked.
@@frataltay4543 Linux world welcomes everyone.. A company like Google can exhibit monopoly while a UK company like Canonical can get funded from SA to achieve collaborative goals. A company like Apache can behave so rudely to developers forcing them to move from OSI compliant licensing to Apache licensing while devs can revolt to create LibreOffice so good becoming default of most distros.
So to me, chances of Linux suffering a similar fate as android is very very less because most work of Linux is done by devs smart enough to discourage monopoly.
ramakrishna chunduri That was the case with Android. Than Google came and bought Android and we know what happened afterwards.
1: Nvidia drivers
2: configuration of peripherals
3: audio configuration
4: ugly apps (outdated 90s looks on most distros)
5: power management (suggestion to use DLP)
Bonus: standardization (lack thereof)
thank you
Peripherals is the one that annoys me the most, I'm yet to find a single Linux distro that can even handle two or more monitors (which most developers require) correctly... 2020, and Linux STILL can't handle two monitors with simple functions like custom DPI per monitor? Lol
Thomas Crabtree I use Manjaro now and it works out of the box handling multiple peripherals. Honestly to me Manjaro is my favorite distro if you need a “modern” distro that works in almost every hardware situation. The only thing about Manjaro that I’m still not used to is it’s package manager. But luckily they also have very good documentation that give you a list of all the most common commands you will need. I highly recommend it especially if you’re using a complex hardware setup.
@@thomascrabtree
Even worse. Proper UI scaling for high res displays is still garbage. 2k has been a thing for over a decade, and Linux support is still crap.
lol so the OS or what the normal user uses. People not like us the normal user wants something like Chrome os lol noobs
I don't just hate Nvidia on the desktop, I hate Nvidia as a company.
There's nothing wrong the products themselves, though Nvidia GPU's and G-Sync monitors are more expensive than AMD's, but in terms of performance, they still have a lead.
In CPU world though, AMD has kicked Intel in the nuts for some time.
@@kjn5991 I have got a problem with how Nvidia got that lead. Nvidia had an extremely aggressive marketing-campaign with a good touch of emotional blackmailing. "Nvidia, The Way It Is Meant To Be Played", making gamers feel as if they get less than the best gaming-experience when they use a graphics card from a competitor which was a lie back then. Nvidia buying PhysX (back then under another name), taking it off the market as a separate product and then baking it in into their graphics cards, forcing gamers who are afraid to miss out (whatever PhysX was used for, usually nothing useful) to buy an Nvidia card. Then you got those shenanigans that Nvidia even blocked the PhysX-card on gamers their cards if they used an AMD-card in combination with that Nvidia card or an older generation Nvidia card in combination with that Nvidia card. Then you got that GameWorks (including software which they had before they officially called it GameWorks which was a collection of proprietary code for which ATI and AMD could not optimize, artificially giving Nvidia a higher FPS, in essence by cheating.
All horrible anti-competitive actions. Where Nvidia permanently lost me as a customer is their GPP-blackmailing and FreeSync-hijacking. Nvidia forced companies to change the established branding for AMD-cards and Nvidia now forces monitorcompanies to replace FreeSync with GSync-Compatible.
Nvidia has good products and skilled engineers but they don't know any ethical and moral boundaries. Where AMD opensources software Nvidia gates it as much as possible and lies and cheats. I have got a lot of criticism of ATI and AMD too (they all want(ed) to get money) but neither gets close to Nvidia with regard to how rotten the company is.
@WaliWorldX The big difference is this. AMD also pricegouges when it can, because they want to make profit. AMD has a much better reason for it at the moment (paying off the last debts, investing more in R&D) but they would do it too and they are already doing it. But AMD never lied, cheated and blackmailed customers or companies to get an advantage, AMD opensources software, Nvidia keeps it proprietary. (ATI has cheated though)
Writing proprietary code (GameWorks), pushing developers to use it for their games and knowing that the competitor can't make the game run well because that code is proprietary and they can't optimize their drivers for it, that is cheating. Using that proprietary code and PhysX (while actively disabling it on Nvidia cards if you use it in combination with an AMD card), that is blackmailing. Forcing monitor-companies to rebrand FreeSync as GSync-Compatible is blackmailing and cheating.
@WaliWorldX amd also made specific miner cards fyi
@@peterjansen4826 if anyone bought any product based on the phrase "the way it is meant to be played" , then natural selection isnt a thing
You know the video is gonna be good when the title is "Things I hate about Linux" and the first thing he hates is "Nvidia" :)
You must be an AMD fanboy?
@@aiden_macleod Not really. I just think it's time for Nvidia to get their ass blasted.
Why is that? What's your problem with it?
@@Rankhole123 grab your ankles because you're going to love when Nvidia blasts your ass.
@@aiden_macleod I'd like for them to open source their drivers to let the community fix them since they don't seem to be able to do it themselves. their steep price premiums warrant knocking them down a peg as well.
I personally would love Linux mass adoption, might just break the stranglehold of both Microsoft and Apple have on software.
Microsoft are huge players in the cloud with Amazon. Providing infrastructure to instatutions makes big money. Linux on desktop wont break microsoft who also contribute code to the Linux project and seem to be absorbing it as windows runs linux programs and even runs the os using virtul machines.
im slowly "converting" my friends to linux one by one. :)
Same here....🤣
They call me a missionary
same here also
So you annoy them to death unless they at least try? 😂
@@Thyrador yep, basically
As a non english speaking person natively, i would add one more thing and the thing is obviously languages support. Yep it's all unicode and all that, but man, once you want to run two keyboard layouts at a time you get into a ton of small yet annoying issues. For example, Manjaro setup. You set the setup language other than english, and you can't switch layout to enter your latin-spelled username.. How is this behaviour still there? Another one is more sublte. I used to use Ctrl-Shift to switch layout. When typing, usually i want to start each sentence with a capital letter :) In some cases i need to switch layout before new sentence. I press Ctrl-Shift to switch layout, then i release Ctrl, i leave Shift down and start typing. That's how my fingers work for the whole eternity. And i get no capital letter. Cause for xorg to understand me i have to release Shift and press it right back again. This kind of shift-dance pisses the hell out of me... Yes, non of it is something we cannot live with, just like having a small splinter in your finger. You will not die, but you really want it gone. Sorry for such a long comment :)
Using two modifier keys prolly doesn't help either, have you considered using mod4(windows)+space or something to that effect?
@@LeMeccerino Well, i tried. It just requires to change my 20+ years habit with no real reason :) I mean keys are still there, and work great under Windows...
Just use hardware keyboard layouts.
@@uncleeugene "It just requires to change my 20+ years habit with no real reason "
Didn't you just give us a reason to change your 20+ year habit in your original comment?
Manjaro? I think Ubuntu has what you need, Well if Android already has it this is a distro problem.
** Chris, you are not wrong. I started programming computers 42 years ago and I laugh so hard when I watch your videos because I had these same problems over the years and not just with Linux. THESE are the #1 reasons why I am on Linux Mint. There are NVIDIA drivers right at install, printers and scanners function better in Mint than in Windows. Audio is functional right from the beginning and some of it is audiophile quality. Mint has so many options and their desktop is very polished will little manipulation. And yes, power manegement is already built into Mint. Several videos back, you just flat out refereed Linux Mint to new users. And for obvious reasons.
I have to agree with your assessment on this. I always keep going back to Linux Mint because it just works on everything I throw at it. My only complaints about it were it still looks dated but with some theme-ing that can be resolved.
There are still audio problems though; But I guess it's worse on other distros? I've pretty much been running Mint for the last year and a half, with only a little bit of distro hopping early on. My main reason for picking Mint, is it just feels like someone took Ubuntu and made it better, but I can't really explain why. The only thing I can really point out that's factual is installing Flash Player and Cinnamon, other then that Mint just 'feels' better and is generally less of a headache then vanilla Ubuntu I seem to recall.
@@JohnnyThund3r Maybe I can help. First, try updating your kernel, I know that Mint released 5.3 yesterday. I am not familiar with your current setup or situation, but I can show you what works for me. I am kind of an audiophile junky and I cannot stand onboard audio hardware. The RF noise off the cpu will distort just about any audio signal you have no matter how much you try to shield it. I use an external usb DAC which I either plug headphones into or use it to drive powered speakers. If you go to Amazon, look for a Signstek HiFi usb DAC. They sell for about $21. It is a Chinese knock off of a Texas Instruments/Burr Brown 2704 circuit, in fact Mint will show it as a PCM2704. I prefer Fosi electronics with Bluetooth amplifier built in myself, but this will definitely work. Mint has drivers for this already. I have tested audio on both Windows and Linux, Linux definitely sounding better. In Mint, try playing music through the new Celluloid MPV front end. I think you will find even less noise distortion since the player offloads the workload from the cpu and into hardware. I have added a snap on choke coils to my usb cable to attenuate any spurious emissions. I think that once you hear the difference through one of these shielded units, you wont want anything different. Signstek HiFi USB to Coaxial S/PDIF Converter Convert Digital to Analogue Signal Mini USB DAC PCM -- www.amazon.com/Signstek-Coaxial-Converter-Convert-Analogue/dp/B00FEDHHKE/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2XP8W0YZ5TCCE&keywords=signstek+hifi+usb&qid=1579328803&sprefix=signstek+hifi%2Caps%2C212&sr=8-1
I just switched to mint from ubuntu. Love it.
@@MichaelJHathaway disabling power management in alsabase also helps.
Chris: "Sometimes when I shutdown or come up from hibernate my computer just freezes"
Also Chris: "I don't see what's wrong with systemd"
I would like more adoption of Linux, just so that we can get more hardware support and game support. i think even share amongst all the operating systems would be ideal, so that they have to TRY and compete and innovate to get mind share.
Also have tried out the powerline extra fonts. you can make your powerline look like its on fire or more futuristic. Thats if get bored of the normal anglar look.
Me, too. In fact, I keep pestering people with it. Whenever I see someone using Windows I ask myself why the Hell they're doing so, and whenever someone asks me for help with computer-related issues, I recommend and/or promote Linux. I don't know how many Live USBs I've spread among people I know.
As for Mac... Well, I struggle to understand them, but they're even harder to convince.
@@joschafinger126 What I do for Mac users is convince them to use Windows first (I teach them to debloat it so it runs nicely), to get them used to a bit more openness. Then when they realize the benefits of the newfound openness, then I propose Linux.
@@sethadkins546 Good strategy, I can see how it may work.
I want Linux to be the mainstream os. It’s time for windows to go.
I let windows go 16 years ago there's no need for it anymore, if your a gamer then use a console your game will work out of the box no waiting for patches etc
@@2j4ez No. I refuse to use consoles. Between anticonsumer practices, exclusives, and a EULA where you never actually own the device drives me away. I rather struggle with wine for weeks to play a game.
@@holocaust_2.0 Never use wine for games. Use PlayOnLinux.
@@2j4ez Khm...khm..cyberpunk..khm Sorry I have a sore troat
@@2j4ez I think you may be right, but I love to modify GTA5 and RDR2, and RDR2 never worked properly for me In Linux
My Pet peeve with linux is some people that treat linux like a religion..
Just kills it for mass adoption
Yup, I still mix in Windows content and things just remind people, we are all computer users. I simply just want to use which works the best.
People who advocate for Linux are totally disconnected from reality.
Saying this as somebody who's used linux since 2008.
Their hate for Windows
@@iOnline72 well founded hatred. If Windows was not around things would be a whole lot easier for us.
@@ChrisTitusTech The main reason(s) mass adoption isn't happening is because of the lack Anti-Cheat (not Linux's fault) and how toxic the community is, for example in a yt comment section people were cussing at this dude who preferred MAC over Linux. Anyways I will switch to Elementary OS or Manjaro but I'll use a VM for AC games such as Apex.
Mouse wheel sensitivity. Would it really be that hard to have a GUI to control how many lines the screen scrolls with a turn of the mouse? The recommended solution is to use imwheel, which requires terminal, using an editor, install a line in the shell startup script, then invoke that each time I log in. Windows has had this feature since Windows 3 on top of DOS. I think it's just an example of what you describe as elite-ism, or I call it just snobbery. "We don't want people who rely on a mouse wheel, if you can't configure imwheel with our totally indecipherable non-documentation then you don't deserve to get to use LInux and we don't want to be associated with your kind" is their attitude. It dates back to the early days of Unix. There are hundreds of other examples but the simple act of customizing mouse wheel performance (and also pointer speed which never seems to work exactly right) should be in every desktop distro, but it's not.
@@PyCoder82 I was literally gonna reply this lmao.
This my friend is a problem of Xorg. X11 is very shitty. Try Wayland! (talking about display servers)
I am able to set this in the config of my window manager (sway).
This, 100000 times this.
@@PyCoder82 I'm not a software developer. Is Linux intended only for people who can rewrite the code to their liking? That would be kind of a narrow market.
@@Antecaa libinput. You complain to the maintainers of libinput. That IS upstream.
Just spent 6 months running Linux on my daily desktop (I've got two desktops running Linux without issue - one for video acquisition from DVD one for playback and research/reference in my hobby workshop) and have pretty much decided to drop it for reasons 1 to 3 you mention. I know the hardware I like and trust - and Linux just has too many problems with it. I know I could spend hours tinkering under the hood and make it work a little better, but it'll never reach the ease with which I've used it under Windows. My old desktops have behaved impeccably running Linux Mint 18.2 Cinnamon - they handle power management smoothly (the workshop system hasn't had a re-boot in over two years - though probably because it's off the network and I don't update it), but my newer system currently running LM 19.2 Cinnamon crashes at regular intervals and either won't go to sleep or won't wake up. No amount of fiddling with it has resolved this to my satisfaction, so I shall strip out Linux and go back to the demon Windows. Not ideal, but I'll enjoy my system a lot more. One thing I know for sure is that I shall enjoy going back to software that works consistently. None of the applications that I've used in Linux (despite the community claims) does what it should as well as the equivalent Windows software. And it'll be a delight to get back to a 'fail safe' system that will run all of my RAID drives as they should be running. No amount of effort has enabled me to get this functionality in Linux, whether it's the hardware I use or the firmware my system has [called 'fake RAID' - whatever the hell that means - by some of the community] I do not know? I only know that Linux has been impossible to set up with hardware that almost sets itself up on Windows. Perhaps I shall look at Linux again in another 10 years to see where it's got to, but as it must be over twenty years since I first looked at Linux and have repeated that 'look' at least five times in the intervening period, I doubt that I shall see anything that will make me warm to Linux as anything more than an non-intrusive OpSys for old hardware and limited functions. That said - it won't stop me looking. It'll just stop me using it when I come across the same problems again - the only thing I think I can be sure of from Linux - unless you take into account some of the latest trends in Linux that look an awful lot like the slippery slope that Microsoft took when Windows was approaching the Vista release... Perhaps Linux will turn the corner, maybe some of the elitists you mention will grow and the whole community will mature to the point where they can be as helpful as one would wish - we shall see. This is, of course, my own measured opinion (so don't bother trying to enflame me - I'm not going there) after having spent over 45 years working with computer hardware and software. I'd like to love Linux - but it's just not quite there - YET. Perhaps I ask too much when I ask, "How does one set up a system with two graphics cards, three monitors, two SSDs and four hard drives?" - but that's a question that is totally redundant as a Windows user (simply because it just works).
Linux can do everything Windows can, as long as you configure it right.
You already have Linux mass-adoption:
Android (corrupted though that may be)
Internet infrastructure.
Linux *Desktop* mass-adoption on the other hand...
MADHAV NAIR SOSH Android is loaded with proprietary software (Which is fine for the most part), but it also has trackers that Google has
@@muricanmtg4039 Android itself is fine and open-source. But yes, most distributors do pump their phones full with telementary and data stealing apps and services.
Android is worse than corrupted, unless there's a MUCH larger community that has jailbroken their phones than I know about. It may technically be an Open Source OS, but who has the ability to customize it or it's configuration outside of those preinstalled GUI programs? Who has the ability to add apps that they coded to their phones without submitting said app to the Google Play Store?
Get real folks, Google has just copied the page out of Apple's playbook and run with it... (Ok, maybe with a few tweaks, but let's be honest.)
5:55 I'd love to see you change most of these programs in 5 minutes as either part of a live stream or a series of videos called "Making Linux Sexy in 5 Minutes or less". Trust me, thinking about the design for 5 minutes is far easier than changing the program's design inside the code in 5 minutes. I get the sentiment, but some people like me would take it too literally knowing that it isn't easy to just uproot the existing design language of the program.
I think of it as a call to action for all devs to make it easy to make the ui glorious by default (both through config changes and code maintenance such that these awesome changes actually take 5 minutes instead of 5-30 dev hours) instead of "let's party like we're still using AppleII desktops". 🥳
I just found you channel last week and have really enjoyed it. Thanks for the quality content.
I have been using Linux on the desktop as my main system since around 2002 (I started with Slackware in 95). A lot of the design choices and standardization are because lower end machines are usually the target. There was also a push to look like Windows or OSX for a while. A distro like Mint with Cinnamon looks great out of the box.
For a long time Nvidia was the only option for decent 3D accelerated drivers. The hardware for AMD (then ATI) was closed off and the driver's sucked. Nvidia was the first to offer anything.
I do a lot of video conferencing in Linux. I don't have issues with echo while using an external mic and speakers. I'm not sure what you mean by audio features like echo correction. That is usually a software feature or baked into the hardware.
Those people who don't want mass adoption will just switch to one of the BSDs when we finally have it. I think those are usually younger kids who feel elite using something different than everyone else.
@Matt M I manage a few windows machines and am aware of how it looks. I like it, so do the users I setup. The start menu works the same as win 10. Window decorations work out of the box. What exactly makes it look dated?
Daaaang the *real* Slackware. Elementary is the current OSX-like distro, though yes:?
@Matt M Chasing trends is what big tech companies do, Windows 10 UI is functionally identical to Windows 7 just with a bunch of added features nobody wants that were only put there by marketing people because they thought it would convince you to hate Windows 7 enough to get rid of it. Linux Mint's not trying to sell more copies, they are just trying to provide the best user experience possible. That means keeping the UI consistent and only adding new features if they are really needed. No power user in Linux Mint keeps the default look anyway, only your grandma will rock that look, and then it's perfect.
@Matt M so who should fix how the distribution looks by default? Gnome has a modern interface and I don't like how it works so I use Cinnamon. I have choices which is what is important and a major benefit to using a Linux based distribution. Honestly at the end of the work day I don't care how the DE looks, as long as I can work.
If you think this is a major issue you should recommend changes to the boards that makes these decisions on the distribution you want to change.
Most of my 'clients' are research scientists or accounts (from a side gig).
Just changed from Ubuntu 20.04 to mint. Mint is gorgeous, but also so quick and the gui is far more intuitive. Love it.
1:04 Thug life moment by Linus Torvalds
“Do you want Linux mass adoption”
*Ubuntu enters the chat
KDE was the main reason I switched to Linux.
I had always wanted to change the white background on Windows but it ended up looking ugly or the third party software was "suspicious" and I almost felt as if I was doing something illegal by just trying to change themes.
On KDE I felt like a kid exploring and testing every change I made on the settings. It was fun and interesting. Dolphin, Oxygen Icons/Cursors, and specially the glowing Oxygen Window Decoration were much much better than Mac/Windows.
I ended up learning CLI commands, history of FOSS, KDE4 vs KDE5, etc.
On the other hand, GTK based Desktop Environments look aesthetically outdated. When I tried Ubuntu Vanilla, I just couldn't deal with the icon designs, the file manager, etc.
Now you're 100% a Linux pirate. Good for you! Argh matie.
But how long ago have you tried Ubuntu? The yaru icon theme looks pretty good in my opinion. But I don’t use Ubuntu, I use void Linux
Agreed, GTK is just crap.
Same here, KDE with Oxygen theme lured me into Linux around 2008. Happily using Kubuntu ever since :)
And I also love to experiment with different themes, and different distros as well...
I just installed Linux Ubuntu, and I'm getting used to it. I agree with you on the lack of standardization. It's great to have variety, but with too much variety it's hard to make anything work properly. And if you use the proper commands to "fix" an issue, it can sometimes break something else. I've heard that if you buy a laptop pre-installed with Linux, then these issues are either a lot less common or non-existent. If code isn't standardized, then installing non-native Linux that fights all the time with your hardware just makes things even more difficult.
Could never stop laughing when watching that Linus Torvalds footage.
"In Linux, things just work." This has been anything but my experience since first using Linux in '98. It's getting better over time but it still has a ways to go before mass adoption.
That's right but HOW things work out-of-the-box is not the way I like. Some configuring is needed for them.
Everything is relative, tbh. Things might not be as seamless as they might appear even in other operating systems.
If you have the latest hardware Linux is usually a problem, older machines all the drivers are there.Linux is always playing catch up. Windows had a monopoly with all the hardware manufacturers and controlled them.
Yeah nothing works as advertised and all instructions is wrong is my experience... Also instructions always miss important bits to get anything working. Not even on my Android phone they are able to get the instructions right lol.
@ Nobody controls hardware manufacturers. They have all the freedom to write drivers for Linux, they just choose not to do so
I absolutely want Linux mass adaption, I annoy the hell out of people by trying to convince them about transitioning from Windows. However I think the standardization of Linux would undermine one of it's core strengths.
@@karmicneurot9829 I'm looking at it from a security viewpoint. If the system is not uniform it's more difficult to exploit it's weaknesses. I think around the end of last year Chris made a video about a security issue in KDE and sure it was quickly fixed, but still it was only a KDE issue. The other dozen popular UIs were unaffected. If it was more like Windows with one uniform desktop environment, then an issue like this would be a critical Linux issue aside of not being able to customize that part that much and not just KDE issue.
The popularity level right now is perfect for me. I feel 'embrace, extend, extinguish' is a genuine possibility if the desktop side of it got too popular.
@Matt M Calm down sweetheart, you'll 'literally' do yourself an injury overreacting like that.
Until compatibility is standard, Linux can eat crow.
@@azminek7154 That might be true... but some people argue that with the system being open source, that there should be enough eyes on it to catch things before they get TOO far.
I would also remind you that yes, there may be a lot of nonstandard parts and pieces due to the different distros, but you still have a good portion of the GNU toolkit and the Linux Kernel that are close to FULL adoption... so your argument about the strength also has a bit of a hole in it.
Mass adoption is the best way to break the monopoly that Windows and Mac have. It will force major companies to develop Linux compatible applications, removing the advantage that Windows and even mac has.
you mean duopoly.
No one should ever be forced to do anything. How'd you like it if I forced you to do things? Don't suggest it is good when others are forced to do things.
And i thought that you were going to nominate:
1 - Ubuntu
2 - Ubuntu
3 - Ubuntu
4 - Ubuntu
5 - Ubuntu
Bonus - Gnome
really? he's an Arch/Manjaro kinda guy.
@@QuimChaos lol. i c my snark detectors are on the fritz. I'll add more caffeine.
gnome broaf
Thank you, Chris. Nvidia indeed makes things very complicated. Re scanners and printers, I have never had any problem. I love CUPs. The last time I printed anything using Windows was the first month of Vista and it took a looong time. I was so delighted by printing in Linux, including across the LAN that it sti;ll stands out in memory.
Hello, what brand of combo printer-scanner do you recommend ?
@@AnzanHoshinRoshi Thanks a lot
Yeah I’m totally with you on the audio situation in Linux, as it’s been a perennial bugbear with me since being introduced to Linux in the mid-2000s. It used to be I had to manually script the config in order for it to work at all, or that audio would lag in video media. Nowadays it always seems quieter than what it should be on the laptops I’ve run Linux on (compared to the Windows installs). Don’t get me wrong, it’s better than it used to be, but still needs a lot of improvement.
On my Dell Laptop running Windows turning off the audio processing in the Waves MaxxPro driver/app has the same effect of making the audio too quiet. Might be that those specific drivers were not designed to run the audio standalone without supporting software.
You hit the nail on the head. I finally got Arch installed and kinda working. But hey, I am a long time Homebrewer with some Ubuntu under my belt, but it was tough getting simple answers that were not well explained in the Arch Wiki (others may say it is a perfect document). Still, it was totally worth the effort to build from scratch. But trying to get help in the community was like pulling teeth, quite intimidating and after seeing this, it looks a lot like some are against mass-adoption so they keep their elite club private, with useless RTFM answers. Your channel helped me a lot.
When I had a nvidia card I never had any problems. I now have an AMD, and works. Printers, I use a HP multi function, works out of the box, super easy to setup, my wifes windoze machine has problems so much that she usually emails me what she wants printed.
I'll volunteer my 5, as a sysadmin for the last 10 years, supporting Linux servers:
1. inconsistency in operation - There is no consistent logic among apps or even portions of the kernel. This makes it so that those who support it (me for 10 years now on the server side) have to memorize the specific apps configuration and commands instead of just having a consistent logic to just keep track of a small subset.
2. EVERYTHING takes longer - Every configuration on every app takes far longer to change than a comparable Windows app or service. I can restart a service in Windows in under the time it takes to type out "service dhcpd restart", and configuring DHCP, for example, takes freaking forever in Linux, while it takes about 20 seconds in Windows.
3. Command line interface - Nearly everything in Linux is command line based, which is a great contributor to my carpal tunnel that is plaguing me right now. I have to deal enough with Cisco's horrible cli, I prefer to avoid Linux's whenever I can. A cli is, kind of the "so powerful" as the Linux followers say, but a gui can be just as powerful, and a gui have contextual elements to hint to a user what they can do and how, which a cli totally and completely lacks. You may be able to do "anything", but that doesn't matter if you don't have the file locations and commands memorized, or lack the ability to memorize as easily. Clever will outdo memory at every turn.
4. Decentralized configuration and logging - Microsoft long ago learned the use of having one central place to keep configurations and logging. It makes it much easier to do troubleshooting. Searching all over the place for configuration files and logs, if they're even in the default place, is a horrible way to spend hours when trying to bring up a downed server.
5. Nothing gets actually completed - The HUGE problem with Linux is the community itself. So many great ideas, and nobody ever follows up and completes the work. Oh, they'll claim it's done, and then discover several features never got implemented, or some major bugs that make many features useless never get fixed. They do so many things that would never fly with professional software. Managers may be a pain in the butt, but they bring out the best we have to offer. Employment isn't slavery, and doing work for a company isn't stealing your work. They just make sure things actually get completed. I'm speaking specifically of Salt, BIND, MySQL, Apache, and more. At least I've had only positive experiences with, and only with, haproxy.
In ten years supporting Linux servers, and several attempts to make a usable Linux desktop, I have nothing but headache after headache with Linux.
Strongly agree with the point about graphical interface. I usually turn away from ugly programs. I actually had no idea you could customize a login manager like what you showed in the video, and had a hard time deciding which one I want to use since I plan on installing Arch. Now I know that it doesn't matter because it's customizable, and I can certainly spare a few minutes to do that.
#6 Bluetooth devices
These are the bane of my existence under Linux.
Bluetooth gaming controller - have to edit params to not auto-disconnect. Causes issues when you need disconnect it (will not reconnect w/o restarting of bluetooth subsystem)
Bluetooth headsets/headphones - you get two layers of issues, bluetooth troubleshooting (drivers, connection, etc) AND dealing with the audio subsystem (see #3 in video).
Bluetooth mice .... picky.. picky picky...
In summary: pray to what ever incorporeal being you believe in.
12:07 *_Say that to Android users!_* Do you know how hard it is to increase your freedom on Android?! It's FOSS on paper but on practice it's anything but!
21:07 lol
@@uniqhnd23 Oops. There I fixed it.
Lineage OS is a step in the right direction, however having to have access to the Play Store to really do anything does kind of defeat the purpose of installing it.
LiftedStarfish In some devices unlocking the bootloader can be a issue. Also you should use F-Droid instead of Play Store.
@@frataltay4543 Absolutely, F-Droid is awesome. Especially if you hate apps full of ads and in-app purchases. But sadly there isn't a solution for everything there.
I also facing same issues with intel integrated graphics, so is it normal or only happening in my pc?
Linux: "Why do I have to install drivers...?"
Windows: "First World Problems..."
"In Linux, things just work." - This has not been my experience. I ALWAYS have to tweak things on a fresh install to make even the most basic of hardware function correctly. Whether it's my touchpad on my mainstream Lenovo notebook with Intel graphics in Manjaro, or Debian not having support for my WiFi card...or the incessant black border flickering in CentOS. Or there's the terrible audio switching and crackling in virtually all distros when using my Realtek built-in audio. And don't even get me started on my 6700K desktop. It does not "just work". There are always tweaks and customizations and switches to flip...so, nVidia being a PITA does not bother me...when so many other things have lackluster OOtB support.
@Doc Xter I've been around the block with Linux distros. Used Everything from Arch to Zorin, and have been off and on since 2002.
In Windows things just work until they don't either... At work, we have a printer in the office which worked well for 2 months and then out of the sudden on my laptop it stopped working (communication to printer went down from some unclear reason). IT stuff tried to fix it but the end solution was to clean wipe the drivers and install it again. Windows very often breaks itself with time, while in Linux you may have initial problems, but once they are dealt with, things work forever, unless you are using rolling distro ;) - that's another story.
@@rabidwallaby84 Linux has the better "out of the box" driver experience, but sometimes rare chipsets are used that are not supported yet. Windows has good support out of the box, but the superiority comes with most of the hardware manufacturer providing windows drivers on their homepage. That means you can easily search for all missing drivers on windows, where on linux it is harder to find fitting drivers, if these are not part of the package manager or official repositories.
Therefor in most cases you do not need to tinker around, because the drivers support is really great on Linux. Nvidia is also providing their proprietary drivers as additional modules to install.
@@michadybczak4862 That is a really good reason. I wasn't able to think of why I found Linux easier than Windows. But you have stated one of the biggest reasons.
Once Linux is set up correctly, it just keeps working forever. It doesn't keep breaking the way Windows does. Also it is always up to date without any effort.
Rolling release issues? I use Gentoo and it is always the latest release, never had a problem. Kept 2 machines going for 10 years or more without any problems. The only extra effort could come from not updating for too many months. Another benefit is that system updates are done while the system continues normal operations.
@@seanrodgers1839 I'm using Manajro for over 5 years and in my mind there were no problems. But to be honest, I recall various situations where some smaller fix had to be applied. There were some fuc*^ ups from Arch side so one time system wasn't bootable (some broken Grub update, was fixed in matter of 2 hours but I had bad luck to install the update before fix arrived), etc. but that is because I'm on testing branch and such situation may happen. Also, AUR packages need to be re-compliled once in a while when some dependencies are updated. However, this is fine for an experienced user. For an average user, LTS distros are way better and more stable, boringly stable :P.
I'm not happy with my answer: I think Linux is not for everybody. Not because is harder than Mac or Windows, is because most people aren't willing to learn something new, even if it's better
I have to agree with your statement.
How is it better when it's more broken than anything else out there?
I have a neighbor who had Windows 8 on his laptop. When it started having problems I had him try Linux Mint. Since he only does email and youtube he had no problems learning how to use it with the exception of Brasero to make audio CDs. Since he only does it every 4 months or so I sometimes have to show him how to do it again. My main problems is getting the network printers to work on different flavors of Linux.
@@Freakazoid12345 First of all: I've never said Linux is better than any other thing. Saying an OS is better than other is like saying a Prius is better than a Bentley because it gives you more mpg. I've been using Linux for more than 10 years, i've never noticed that it was broken. Please, tell me, how is it "broken"?
@@Freakazoid12345 not quite sure I agree with that statement. I guess it's a mixed bag based on your machine, but personally Linux has been significantly more stable than windows on my desktops/laptops. Even with some Nvidia befudgery it's been better, because I've also had (a lot of) Nvidia issues on windows...
(Hey, when I upgraded my Laptop's network card to a WiFi6 version it worked straight outta the gate on Linux (kernel already had the driver installed) whereas windows (that i downloaded/installed layer) really wasn't a fan of the brand new network card.)
Hello, Chris, & all CTT folk;
Thank you for all you do, Chris.
I gave up on Nvidia years ago,.
If any company wants my money I expect them to be RESPONSIVE to their customers.
That means not expecting me to buy their latest 3 products every year, whether I need it or not.
If sales drives your company maybe I don't need your product.
Which is partly why when Win7 hit EOL I installed MX linux on my box.
As for linux growing I think that's a net positive.
But I also think there are too many 'hidden secrets' in the OS, like how-to do this or that.
IMO most people are too lazy to expend much effort to learn how to do something new.
In general linux just works-make that the 'motto', then help people that want to learn.
Maybe a page on your site [whatever] where you show how to do something you think is too simple to spend time on. That way you contribute to flooding the os market w/ info & knowledge.
Lastly, as a newb I need to know more than I do, so I thank everyone who offers help & info.
Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!
Thanks - this is the most sensible video about Linux downsides that I have ever watched. Very considered and reasonable. Agree with all of them. Although my personal #1 hatred is Grub, the bootloader from hell that has taken over the world of Linux 😁
There is always systemd bootloader ... **/ducks**
not sure its a bad thing but i have never used grub loader or any derivatives. i just have 2 ssd's one with win10 and another with linux mint so whenever i want to switch i f8 and choose.
On outdated GUIs, I've been using Linux since 1995, where it was an achievement to just get a bare stipple background up (meaning you got X to work without blowing your monitor up) and then using fvwm.
While I agree that things could stand to look less ugly in 2020, I absolutely hate the whole "flat" look that permeates every OS and device today. I pine for the actual 3D looks of fvwm and Motif, where buttons and widgets LOOKED like they could be clicked or interacted with, and we didn't have to play "mystery meat navi" and ask "what's a hamburger menu?"
When all's said and done, beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder here. It always will be. My "looks good" will probably be your "it's ugly as sin."
Oh yes the middle finger my favorite part of all time XD
I love how everyone always takes it out context as if Linus was referring to all of Nvidia and not just their Optimus drivers. I've watched the whole Q&A myself.
Well said, Chris. I find that Linux still presumes that the user has more of a computer background and is willing to go under the hood and use the CLI for example, when necessary. Something almost totally alien to a Windows or Mac user, even though such interfaces do exist on these systems as well. For example, I finally got my Brother MFC-7340 to scan, major accomplishment, with a bit of tweaking, manually editing config files, after a bunch of Google searches. But on Windows the machine is seen as a scanner and works right out of the box.
So that's where the part of the resistance to adoption comes from. People just want to turn their computers on and go. Similarly, all the power and configurability is overwhelming, especially for newcomers. For people at the mercy of whatever Microsoft or Apple decides their interface is going to look like is what they have to adapt and use, with little or no other customization options available if they'd rather do something else. In contrast, Linux offers so much choice, perhaps too much. Even the sheer number of "families," whether based on Arch, Debian, Red Hat, etcetera, each are all Linux, but can almost be counted as so many "tribes," with a measure of almost downright hostility, or certainly an "elitism" posited by the members of one "tribe" over another, "REAL users use [insert name of your tribe here], [another distro name] is so LAME in comparison, who'd even think of using THAT!?? " People reading things like that are going to be put off even before they give Linux any real consideration as an alternative. The lack of standardization, as you alluded to, is going to make the adoption curve harder to climb as well. Not a lost cause, by any means, but it seems that the Linux community is its own worst enemy in some regards. But the point is that for things to become better, for the MFC printers of the world to configure themselves as easily as they do in Windows, Linux is going to have to get a larger market share so that the manufacturers have reason to write the drivers and make it work that way. Which means wider adoption, which has problems, sort of a classic chicken-and-egg issue, but if we can all stop squawking long enough to embrace the larger goal, Linux may become a real player, rather than the less-than-2% outlier that it is right now for desktop/laptop users compared to the 97.47% combined share of Windows (87.37%) and Apple (10.10%). See: netmarketshare.com/linux-market-share?options=%7B%22filter%22%3A%7B%22%24and%22%3A%5B%7B%22deviceType%22%3A%7B%22%24in%22%3A%5B%22Desktop%2Flaptop%22%5D%7D%7D%5D%7D%2C%22dateLabel%22%3A%22Trend%22%2C%22attributes%22%3A%22share%22%2C%22group%22%3A%22platform%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%7B%22share%22%3A-1%7D%2C%22plotKeys%22%3A%5B%7B%22platform%22%3A%22Linux%22%7D%5D%2C%22id%22%3A%22linux%22%2C%22dateInterval%22%3A%22Monthly%22%2C%22dateStart%22%3A%222019-01%22%2C%22dateEnd%22%3A%222019-12%22%2C%22segments%22%3A%22-1000%22%7D
Nvidia has worked a lot better for me on Linux, and (unfortunately) I need CUDA (because unfortunately OpenCL is a failure). I see absolutely no problem with using a proprietary *anything* on a computer. FOSS fanatics are the #1 complaint I have about Linux, and they are frankly the reason there hasn't been wider adoption of Linux. They're the reason why CUDA has taken over the world, and why Nvidia is so dominant in real world getting stuff done scenarios.
I like FOSS, but insisting on it for absolutely everything is an absolute disaster in the real world. Most people aren't FOSS fanatics, they're just regular people trying to get real stuff done in the real world. You have to appeal to those people by yes, sometimes compromising. Once they're on your "team", you can much more easily get them to appreciate the value of FOSS. Long-term victories are better than short term purity tests and principled losing.
My Linux hatelist -
1. Bluetooth
2. Audio
3. Scanner
4. Kdenlinve ( I will soon start a fundraiser for this)
5. Proprietary hardware (like Mac - I run Manjaro on my Mac, but wecam gives problem)
6. Substandard version of Office suite apps (like zoom, ms office, postman? etc)
Why would you not want Linux mass adoption? It could make things better for all of us.
If you are looking for ideas for a noobie video... here is my problem. How do you create and manage "users" in Linux. I bought a computer with Linux on it. I would like to delete the pre-made user that came on the computer, add a few family members with their own user profiles. I would also like to reset the Root password to something I created. I have this sinking feeling its command line only and I am about to dig in and see what I can learn about it now. However the above video seemed like a perfect time to pose the question ;-)
"Do I want Linux mass adoption" Yes, BUT don't go into it blindly, teach the person the basics at least so they can figure out most things themselves.
Once you work out how to install something like Mint the actual use is simple. Hell if you have the USB stick you never need to install if you can boot from the USB stick.
What you are saying around 7:20 is a good way to summarize what I am looking for when I watch videos about installing/configuring Linux.
"Because it's baked in the kernel"
(looks at all mesa and all it's updates): "So that was a f*ing lie".
Chris if you are still using Pop OS you can install the Ubuntu studio controls for audio and it unifies everything, Pulse, Alsa and Jack so you can screen record with Jack and pulse can still have audio through as well for something like a youtube video in the browser. The install command for apt is install ubuntustudio-controls. It will basically make any Ubuntu based distro work like Apple's Core audio. 1 driver to rule them all, so everything from HDMI to USB and Thunderbolt audio interfaces work with it.
Hey Chris, the Zorin team has announced something called Zorin Grid. Will you please make a video on that explaining what that is? And also tell us that thing Zorin Grid is announcing has been done by any other distros or not?
You hit upon the problems that always convince me to go back to Windows. Printers especially; I depend on my printer (and scanner) to be productive, and I don't have hundreds of hours to learn and tweak Linux, I want a computer that does the job so I can spend hundreds of hours learning other things.
There is echo cancellation in pulseaudio, but (yes you guessed it) you need to enable it in text configs.
Yes it's there, but try explaining that to the average computer user that just gives you a blank stare when you tell them to open a Terminal window, and never used anything command line based in their life, and on my main computer running Manjaro W/Budgie, I could not run updates via Pamac, or terminal for the life of me last night getting invalid package errors. long story short I had to repopulate my keys via terminal window, and reboot. Never in my life would someone I described before figure that out, and would give up in frustration. stuff like this is why Linux has not been adopted more, but as a tech geek I love it as well.
@@CommodoreFan64 It’s actually much easier to give a user a command sequence to copy and paste in a terminal, than to try to guide them through a maze of menus and dialogs that randomly change in every new Windows update.
Yes, I have done Linux support for nonexperts over the phone.
@UCZ_AbI_szjtL6ltjEZmUI-Q It’s actually much easier to give a user a command sequence to copy and paste in a terminal, than to try to guide them through a maze of menus and dialogs that randomly change in every new Windows update.
Yes, I have done Linux support for nonexperts over the phone.
@UCZ_AbI_szjtL6ltjEZmUI-Q It’s actually much easier to give a user a command sequence to copy and paste in a terminal, than to try to guide them through a maze of menus and dialogs that randomly change in every new Windows update.
Yes, I have done Linux support for nonexperts over the phone.
I love how audio works in Linux. I can even transmit it over the network allowing me to play music on one computer and the sound come out of an other. Try doing that on Windows.
Also....I have never had any complaint about login/desktop loop and power management...maybe it is just SUSE putting that five minutes in or something, but seriously...I love everything about how my openSUSE installations looks, feels, and acts. I only have two complaints, the NVIDIA issue and after.local disappearing.
I love linux, but I hate that it don't work well on some laptops. On a desktop it is easier to change a component that doesn't work well with linux, on a laptop it isn't always possible. And there is years that I don't buy a Desktop.
I am using an older Asus which works great with it, but my old Samsung Laptop was very dodgy with it's support. For my next laptop i'll go with System76 or tuxcomputers style and check them out.
Hi Chris Titus GREAT video (subscribed as well). I am only familiar with the nvidia drivers/cards in (rhel based) distro CentOS/Fedora. Does the AMD video drivers bundled (does it require any recompiling like nvidia)? thank you!
I think it is healthy to evaluate things we spend so much time on. You might find that you are going against the grain for something that isn't even worth the hassle.
The great thing about TH-cam is there is no standard and I can talk about everything Linux, Windows, and Mac. I'm a lifelong computer user that still uses all 3 OS's. This can cause some confusion because people can't put me in one specific category. In the end, I just use what is best and just give tutorials and opinions on it.
@@ChrisTitusTech I am a new Linux user thanks to my rediscovery of the raspberry pi! So you can say I'm a bit of an enthusiast. But that doesn't mean that sometimes that I don't miss windows because that's what I know. But I have committed myself to learning and using Linux and I appreciate channels like yours for the tips and just encouragement not to give up! Especially since you are a fairly recent convert yourself. I now love Linux and find myself missing it when I am at work on my Windows computer.
You know what is stopping me from switching to linux full time? It is the audio and i dont mean the issue that titus stated. It is an audio bug on linux with certain AMD cpus and realtek audio chips which 99% of the computers out there use on the motherboard since well who else makes audio codec chips for mass motherboard manufacturers to put on there? The issue has been there for 3 years now and it still hasn't been fixed despite 9 months earlier someone from the opensuse community finally acknowledging it and saying the fix will be made in kernel 5.3 onwards and will be back ported. 3 years in total have past and 9 months since that post and the issue still inst fixed. If you cannot get something as simple as some weird compatibility with audio hardware then how can you expect them to get anything right at that point is the real question? Why, just why have 3 years past the problems introduction and it still hasn't been fixed yet and been ported to the main stream kernel? It is tiny stuff like this that putts of the regular joe. I want to really use linux because windows crashes my pc non stop due to driver issues and updates making it unstable whenever they feel like it. But i cannot withstand my ears bleeding on linux audio issues with some audio codec that is found on literally every single motherboard out there. So you wanna know some unmentioned problems there ya go. Just one of many many issues i have with linux distros.
Totally agree. Though I can add another one: ease of use. Don't get me wrong, I've been using Linux at my work for more than 4 years now and I believe I got some reliable experience with it, but man sometimes it is so hard to configure something to work properly... Especially with gaming where I just want performance and at the very least stable 60 fps. I've got high-end hardware and as stated in the video, unfortunately my GPU is nvidia, and that just makes it worse. Sometimes I get as far as 40-50% worse FPS than on my Win10. It would be so much better if it JUST WORKS out of the box like in Windows. There I just start it, tweak the graphic settings and just play and don't care about much else, but with Linux there is always the need to tweak some Wine file, DXVK file, application startup settings or some other bulls**t and it wastes so much time, it gets me angry every single time. Again, it's not Linuxes fault that most game companies choose to target Windows alone, but in its current state playing hardware-intensive games on Linux is just not a good experience.
I have had good experiences with proton/steam.
Great video! I like the fact you posted what you don't like because nothing is perfect. Kudos to you! :)
Agree with all the points specially with point 4 (design) & 5 (power management).
This "dated" design thing is exactly what draw my attention to Linux, in 2008! I love it!
NVIDIA cards work great on Linux, have been using them for years, on most of the distros the drivers are in the repos, even on the NVIDIA site it tells you to go download from from your distro.
NVIDIA cards work great compared to Windows, but once you use an AMD GPU in Linux you will realize nVidia is a second class citizen on Linux.
I agree, my Nvidia card has been a great experience. It makes me a little sad I can't use Sway, but only a little, and a lot of people besides Nvidia share the blame for that.
Wow, 2020, look how this channel has grown! I think I subbed back before 10K, looks like Linux market share is growing at a steady but substantial pace! Great Work Chris!
Linux is good, as good as other OS. Some things are great, some not so good.
the fact that Linux is so well known makes it crazy
because I'm a 12 yr old and I have had enough with windows so I'm deciding about switching to Linux
thanks for the tutorials man
keep up the good work
What??
You must be the smartest 12 year old!
@@Daniel-wn5ye well, not really but thank you for the compliment
No _real_ standardization. Dangerous updates.
I'm using older nvidia drivers because it would crash with anything newer.
No support for peripherals. Corsair, MS, Logitech special buttons. You get two mouse buttons and qwerty keyboard.
Sound support.
IPv6 FORCED down our throats.
Always ending up in the command line sooner or later.
Putting HDDs to sleep.
RAM caching!
solid list ;), but I disable ipv6 in my conf when I don't want it. Everything in Linux is configurable which is what I love.
Yep is not a intuitive OS and the user must be skilled to config your own computer, but the fun is in that IMO, like the people who actually make they system running flawlessly, in fact are quite skilled in what they do, and for many, it becomes a gratification! Nowadays even a 10 year old kid knows how to isntall and config windows.. that's the diference
@@ismafernandes693 Nowadays you can't configure much in Windows unless you have Pro license or higher. Home is basically Micro$oft jail.
@@petertomov5728 Yeah, they have huge monopoly... But either way, is very easy to crack theyr software, besides, almost every malware are written to target windows users
@@ismafernandes693 Well, unfortunately I still have to service Windows machines and the software has to be legally purchased [ thank gods for 2nd hand eBay licenses ].
And let me tell you: since Win 10, fixing a Win machine is an ordeal sometimes
Linux desktop works pretty well, the biggest issue is not the os it's the third party apps. I need to run stuff like solidworks and mastercam for my work. Also I need to edit PDF forms and save them. The problem is, no Linux version exist for these programs. I can run them in a VM but that kind of defeats the purpose. FOSS alternatives kind of exist but they lack the capabilities needed.
I have a license for acrobat pro, and plenty of alternatives exist for reading PDF or creating a new PDF but none handle forms already created in acrobat pro correctly. I'm normally just filling out forms folks created in other departments.
Systemd is fine. It's "cool" to hate on it apparently. (the Gentoo and i3wm types are the ones who QQ the most about it) If you're not that type of user, systemd not only gets the job done, it does it in a way that is, frankly, more approachable by by new Linux users than any of the other options.
Pulse runs *on* ALSA. (ALSA is a dependency of Pulseaudio) it's not 2 different subsystems. ALSA is dope. Pulse is, well, meh and needs a ton of work.
(high end professional) Printing sucks if you're not willing to go down a tinkering rabbit hole. TBF most weird printing use-cases *are* solvable if you're inclined to follow the white rabbit.
Mass adoption is a nice idea until you start thinking about what exactly that means in terms of the loss of choice and flexibility for power users in the name of attracting less sophisticated and newer users (the Mac and Windows general audience) It gets kinda murky. I guess I would like one of the major distros to be a "gateway" for new users that can be a "drop-in replacement" in terms of features and usability visuals and all that. Right now, Elementary is the closest to that. I guess I wish that it was from either Canonical directly, because of the size of the ecosystem or maybe even KDE taking their weird testing "not-a-distro" distro Neon and going full consumer OS with it. But a unified DE would be the beginning of the end for Linux in general. Choice above all else.
I totally agree.
Systemd hosed my system last night. So it is not fine. Shit is trash!
@@AlucardNoir that's what I've heard.
@@AlucardNoir X Window does everything I need it to so I do not need a replacement for it.
@@AlucardNoir why do they want one?
Just now taking my 1st steps into Linux. Put mint on my Lenovo ThinkPad that I use for school. So far, I'd say I'm impressed
what is the benefit of mass adoption?
also, getting audio sorted out properly would be a dream IMO
commercial support of products.
@@ChrisTitusTech I hate commercials.
I've started using linux about the same time as you. Same distro hopping. We've got three desktops not counting the Intel D2500 running pfSense used as our router. So, far almost 20 pages of notes. Because as you mentioned there's lots to learn. We have a newly installed Unifi Access Point. Great hardware. Its actually an enterprise level device as opposed to consumer. For Windows you simply need Java JRE and the Unify Controller installed. One download of each, set up an account with Unifi and you are up and running. I still have one SSD on my test box that has Win 7. But almost never use it anymore and support just ended. Hence linux. But on the Unifi side for linux things get a little more complicated.
Unifi uses Mogodb. Its built into the install for Windows. But not linux. The current controller version for Windows is like 5.12. For linux its 5.6. The current version of Mongodb is 4. x. The one that Unifi uses is 3.4. 3.4 needs libcurl3. Current version is 4.0. Its a nightmare. I tried installing it on Debian 10. Debian 10 has libcurl4 and the Mogodb website is current at 4.x.
Its a butcher job to add repositories from earlier versions of Debian. So, for home use, I don't have a need to have the controller running all the time. Just get on Windows, launch the controller and attach to the AP to update firmware and done.
I love the LCARS thing you've got going on in the background.
der ek.
I would appreciate any help. Will I have to download Nvidia Graphic Card as I have "Generic PnP Monitor (1366x768@60Hz)
Intel HD Graphics (Acer Incorporated [ALI])" installed in my win10 OS . I haven't decided whether to download linux inside my win10 OS, or in a partition alongside win10. HD space no problem.
USB transfer issues (takes forever), USB becomes read-only-- how freaking long has this been going on? Good grief.
I'm not sure I've seen that, except a couple of years ago with MTP, but that's a Microsoft thing anyway, so no surprise there. Seems to work well now in Manjaro with my Nexus 6P.
I couldn't get a USB thumbdrive to mount in linux. But mounted in windows so I was able to recover everything but two corrupt files...
The new USB support is going to be in 5.6 as it Thunderbolt
In Manjaro I've honestly have found both USB 2.0, and 3.0 transfers to be faster than Windows 10, but yes years ago I have ran across that in an older version of Mint on my old MSI Wind U230 Light netbook.
@@PyCoder82
Was using Mint 19.3 and a ntfs usb. pulled the usb out and stuck it in another and it wouldn't mount. Tried other pc's with mint and it wouldn't mount. Stuck my Win7 HDD back in and it mounted...
New urban slang term at 8:53 :) "Conscued?" Great vid!!
Audio on Linux is superior.
Please try jack-audio.
It is a pain un the ass to setup but when It works... You can get free latency improvements even for gaming.
I have been hearing this (pun intended) I really need to do a video on it.
@@ChrisTitusTech stackoverflow
askubuntu.com/questions/572120/how-to-use-jack-and-pulseaudio-alsa-at-the-same-time-on-the-same-audio-device
The guy with 9 likes with some screenshots.
(You dont need realtime kernel only need to be on the realtime group)
If you want better latency install low latency kernel but dont needed.
It sound counterintuitive but a game with pulse-jack-sink have better latency than pulseaudio only. (Only because of better control on buffer size)
I had cracking audio on dirt rally and after lot of strugling It goes away with pulse to jack-sink.
Audio on Linux is NOT superior. On Mac, yes. Linux? no.
@@aiden_macleod Not sure what is your background. If you are an audio producer, I understand that you have more knowledge than me.
If you measure latency, routing capabilities and other features that linux kernel have, you can understand that no other OS is better than linux.
Linux is tunable for your use case not the other way round.
th-cam.com/video/fEduGnD6ZKQ/w-d-xo.html
You can learn more about audio producing from unfa. check his channel.
I'm good. Thanks.
Hey Chris, I use Linux since 1999 with SuSE Linux and since 2002 Debian. I tried BSD and other Distros but I always settled back to Debian, because of Debians packaging system and it works out of the box. The things I nowadays don't like the most are that there are no alternatives to systemd in each Distro. Because choices and configurability is what made Linux so great in the first place. I am absolutely against mass adoption of Linux, I wish it would stay a niche OS like before Windows 10 release. Look at things today that got mass acceptance and see what happened to them recently, like TH-cam, Gaming, Elder Scrolls, Gnome 3, Ubuntu, etc. Corporate greed is killing these. Using a niche OS is not about being special, elitist or better, it is about being different. Seems like I need to switch to BSD to escape the mainstream.
I'd rather spend time fine-tuning my system than run Windows. Everytime you learn more.
@jocaguz18 Fair. Not all users are technical or wish to fiddle with their systems.
One thing I really appreciate about using Chrome OS is the polish google mandated on their apps. They just look good, and while I've never gotten Wine to work in a useful way on a Linux PC yet, Chrome OS's CrossOver is super easy to use for running windows apps. Polish and ease of use matters.
Printers are a pain no matter what os you're running
no problem in my case
#1: yeah, I share Linus' feelings as well.
#2: I actually just bought a modest networked Brother laser printer recently and it was an absolute pain to set up with the Windows machines and I completely gave up with the Mac Machine and connected it via USB. Linux . . . it worked right the first time. It works will all of my Linux machines straight away. Love that.
#3: Well, it's better than it used to be. However, it's not anywhere near where it needs to be. Personally, JACK has been driving me crazy. I've mostly given up on it.
#4: The look doesn't bother me. The lack of consistency is more irritating. This is where Apple *cough* (sorry) actually did it right. Should I use gtk+? qt? wxWidgets?
#5: Another thing that shouldn't be an issue, but it is.
I haven't seen Linux elitism ever. There are really justifiable fears when it comes to mass adoption. I don't think there are many who are against it in theory, but they fear the consequences of too fast adoption.
Free software ideology already got near extinct. The same can happen in essence to Linux. I'm hoping more adoption, but the thing I want the most is that FOSS people would defend their ideology and projects.
Android is the mass adoption of Linux. That’s what the majority wants. There are a lot of Linux users who do not care about the GNU project and want to give their personal data away.
@@xijinpingpong4426 Android uses modified Linux kernel, but it sure isn't Linux. Almost nobody wants to give their personal data away, it's not like there are choices. Calling Android Linux is like calling chainsaw a car because it has gasoline engine.
Majority isn't interested in Linux. They are unaware of the long term problems of giving up data and problems with proprietary software in general. But that is slowly changing.
I'm just daily driving Linux for a while now and most of things looks great so far, but some things like what you said made me appreciate more Windows. The thing that surprised me the most is discovering that sometimes FOS Software doesn't always "work better on Linux" as one would believe. For example, Audacity supports realtime effects on Windows and Debian, but not on Fedora because the plugin is debian based.
Thanks for tlp! Didn't know that it was a thing! :)
I agree with all of them ... getting GTX 750 to run on 1080p took me around 4 hrs to figure out bumblebee issue and installing proprietary drivers in MX 19.
Mass adoption to Linux is a must. But I'd love more people to adopt using OSI compliant software on other platforms like LibreOffice, KdenLive, DavinciResolve, etc that way with increasing user base more work shall be done for standardization in application front and Fragmentation shall become as negligible as clear to nubes encouraging mass adoption of Linux.
(Personally, I love the way android overcomes fragmentation by standardizing applications on their store with HIG while continuing to offer more hardware choices)
One thing which I hate about Linux: most of the time the default audio volume is 100% which can easily damage your ears. Out of Chris his top 5 for me elitism is on number 1.
Plasma defaults to (first boot) with the audio on mute. you have to turn it up manually.
If your system is storing 100% volume then it is broken. It was never installed or configured properly. Not all distribution maintainers know what they're doing. There's commands you're supposed to run as root that configures a lot of things.
$ sudo -i
# alsamixer
Set your levels.
# alsactl -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state store
# alsactl -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state restore
Doing that should store your settings and test that they work.
@@1pcfred
It is not about which audio-volume it stores, it is about which audio-volume it has as default. Setting the default at 100% is a bad design-choice, it shouldn't be more than 30-40% at default. I guess you could set it yourself just to prevent this from happening but in the case of Cinnamon that does not help either because you get this sound while it starts up. But thanks for the information, I haven't looked into that in detail. I am going to take a look.
@@peterjansen4826 by default most distros come stock with audio muted. Which causes people a lot of problems. Then they think their sound doesn't work at all. Linux needs a getting started guide.
@@1pcfred
Putting it at 100% is not a solution! Better just keep it on the low side and everybody is happy. If somebody can't find the volume changing icon then he can't be helped as a computer-user.
Hey Titus, since you mentioned sleep and suspend options, whats actually the difference, i used both a few times on my Fedora31 System, but i really cant tell the difference.
8:45 It's fragmentation. In fact, the open nature of the ecosystem means that all different approaches to solve a particular problem are competing, until one approach eventually dominates and others are abandoned. But it takes a very long time.
this. it's a feature, not a bug.
5 years might be an underestimate. I have been using Linux off and on for almost 20 years and full time for around a decade. I have dealt with production headaches, such as offline package installation in an airgapped system (a form of dependency hell) and digging deep into logs to figure out why an application install appears to be failing. I am definitely one of those WM/vim keybinding obsessed users.
Yet, there are many things I have yet to do with Linux. A few off hand are rolling a custom kernel, anything with btrfs, VNC, Samba, NVIDIA driver troubleshooting, Gentoo/LFS, snaps and similar, Fedora Silverblue, creating a custom or offline package manager repo, AppArmor/SELinux configuration, emacs...
The list could go on and on. The breadth and depth of "Linux" is incredible.
All of my are Nvidia, but they work great to. Even with all my 3D gaming. Just stay behind is the key and yes you have to install the proprietary driver of course. No big deal for me. I do homework when it comes to all my peripheral devices. All my work with no problems. gamepad, webcam, printer, scanner and all.
I agree with audio sorta. I have no problems with my audio, it sounds great. But tweaking is needed though. But even all of Linux needs tweaking.
Ugly, many applications are ugly. Not sure if this is done on purpose or not. But like you said, 5 minutes you can make it at least 80% beautiful. Another 10 minutes and you'll have it the way you want it.
I like the way Linux is. But I guess I'm a tinker kinda person.
because Linux it's not made for people who look at that shit
"Why didn't they spend the extra 5 minutes to make it look good?"
The trouble is, it isn't just 5 minutes - it takes a huge amount of time and effort to make things look properly polished, which is a big part of why it's so uncommon. It also requires a whole separate skill set besides programming.
And the question with open source is why don't *you* spend five minutes making things look properly polished. It's very easy to demand people who are working for free (at least for you) do the things you want.
systemd complains are due to it being more than an init system
I don't like the resources systemd uses and I'm pretty sure it hosed my system last night too. So it is buggy. And yeah I am not a fan of systemd having its hooks all over my PC too. But if it just worked right I'd be OK with it.
it does work right, in fact I think it’s one of the good steps Linux has taken over the years. You know what drives non tech savvy people away from Linux? the overwhelming amount of things that they need to do and change to get the system how they want it to. making something a standard feature is actually really good and brings the code together and makes it easier, now people can experiment with the terminal and understand they can call things using systemctl instead of different pieces of software/code to make things run.
systemd has some bugs, for sure, every piece of software has bugs and they are being fixed as they go, but complaining about systemd because it has “bugs” or because “it doesn’t work” is not a good argument. Linux should always be FOSS but it should be more standardized so more people can come to it and enjoy the system without having to use command lines all the time (which even freaked me out a bit when I started making my move).
One thing I love about OS X is that the command line is entirely optional. it’s bash and you can put zsh/fish and basically works the same way you would expect on Linux, you can do everything from the Terminal on a Mac but 80% of the users will open a Terminal window once in a while and literally copy/paste and they are done. On Linux even if you copy/paste codes on the terminal you can have errors as some distros use different hierarchy’s for files, they name things differently, this and that and it’s just overwhelming for most people to make a move. It’s not complicated at all but for most people this will be their reason not to use linux and we as a community should change that. Be FOSS but be more standardized under the hood so we can make it more accessible for the masses.
@@aurichio7783 the masses do not need to run Linux, or computers at all for that matter. Linux will gain nothing by catering to the lowest common denominator. Power is naturally difficult to weild. Nothing can be done about it beyond acceptance. If you want to play in the majors then you need to display the requisite competence when you step up to the plate. Dumbing the game down so everyone gets a participation award is not the answer.
@@aurichio7783 um not sure what triggered this wall of text, as i did not complain about systemd bugs or what not; all software has bug. i simply stated something what makes a lot of people uneasy: systemd is not just an init system aka systemd has a lot of seemly unrelated functionalities.
that's it; do with that what you will
@@1pcfred i disagree; if the masses use computers they should use linux. but systemd has nothing to do with that. if a distro has sane defaults and has gui config options fir user relevant options that should be enough. in fact for the masses what we need would only need a readonly rootfs, and a 'userfs' where they can do user stuff. and even then its distro specific and still doesn't have anything to do with systemd or any of the underlying programs or commands.
as for what linux has to gain from mass adoption? 'commercial support' and ofcourse even more devs to improve linux as an ecosystem
The thing is, most of the stuff you mention is more a problem with the stuff running on Linux, not Linux itself
Multiuser sound support? Just make a simple gui program where you can save configuration stuff in the user's `.bashrc` to automatically restore whenever the user logs back in or opens a new terminal
There also is probably a version of `.bashrc` for whenever the user logs into the desktop (I. E. Runs whenever that occurs)
The reasin some folks won‘t switch to linux might be that they don‘t want to learn new stuff.
Yep most people are lazy creatures of habit. Take my fiance I gave her a used but really nice Lenovo Thinkpad with 8GB of RAM, SSD, etc.. even installed Chromium OS on it to make it easier for her(she is not the most tech savvy person) after her old ACER POS Windows Netbook died and to this day the dang thing has maybe only been used a dozen times, as she just won't make it easier on herself, and keeps using her phone for everything, and complains when it does not do what she wants, and when I point out the Thinkpad it's NOPE!!! You do it!! lol
Absolutely.
No, they want "it just works". No configurations to mess around with, no problems plugging in a new device, etc.
They look at computers as a means to an end.
I would say it has more to do with advertising. Apple and Microsoft spent a fortune annually to convince the uneducated they are the only thing out there. Admittedly I am new to linux distros but I am liking them more with every use.
As a power user, I think that it is even harder to switch. There are so many things that you have to get to know well. It took me many years to fully switch.
The trouble people have with switching is the few things that you can't do, or are harder to do. What few people go on about are the things that are easier on Linux and the many things that you can do on linux that you can't do on Windows.
The trouble is that the benefits of Linux are not obvious or things people don't know or care about. That is why these benefits are not part of a commercial product. Just like how seatbelts weren't in cars or used by all until it was the law.
For some people what you find harder others find better. Not all people see things the same
Now that I use Linux fulltime, I find it far superior in almost every way and much easier to use. I would never want to back to Windows with all of it's headaches. I'll take Linux headaches over Windows headaches any time.
Regarding this concern for standardization: there's already 3+ standards that Linux developers follow: LSB, SUSv3 and the POSIX standards. This standardizes as the file system with the goal of intentionally leaving implementation up to the developer. The goal of Linux and UNIX has always been The production of a stable, enterprise grade system while providing the ability for people to easily develop on it. True Linux developers have never really worried about consumers in the Linux world. Thats why Linus Torvalds really isn't concerned about the desktop space and claims the Chromebook is what will make Linux mainstream for desktops. Because it comes pre-installed and configured.