Windows Utility Download - christitus.com/downloads GitHub Source - github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil To Disable Recall in 24H2(Removing it breaks explorer): - Open Settings - Select Privacy & security - Choose Recall & snapshots - Toggle off Recall **Note: For those that do not see the setting. It is a feature that IS getting installed behind the scenes. Run this removal: Dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:"Recall" Then restart your PC and you will notice everything I outlined in this video. Your explorer will look very different and old. Why is Recall a dependency for this new explorer?
@@tgheretford Because unlike what he claims, Recall is only for Copilot+ PCs (and it isn't even out yet for those). Nobody else who already owns a machine running Windows will get Recall. The video is borderline FUD.
As a German and European citizen, I sincerely urge you to report this to the European Commission using the "Complaint Form for Breach of EU Law" (can't link here sadly). In August, the EU Council ruled that Microsoft must enable the complete uninstallation of Recall and Copilot due to privacy laws. Making these features mandatory, as you can demonstrate and prove, constitutes a violation of that ruling.
HOW is Recall a dependency for a feature that worked perfectly fine without it and before it even existed? Complete garbage that Microsoft is shoehorning this slop into every corner of Windows.
Microsoft have form for integrating things into the OS, Windows 98 and Internet explorer, as I understand it Edge is now integrated into Windows. It is not impossible for Microsoft to make Recall a core dependency preventing uninstall. I do not know if Chris is right or not here, I am 100% Linux now, but linking Recall to explorer would not be out of character for Microsoft.
If you're a doctor, lawyer, journalist, law enforcement, government official, CEO, CTO, software engineer, work with anything privacy related or have ever signed an NDA - you cannot use Windows 11.
Many of these companies have poor IT. Remember the Equifax scandal? That's was a big one, but shabby work like that is very widespread throughout small businesses, most of which do not care, understand, or care to understand.
Microsoft is always looking for ways to make me regret having paid for my Windows 11. I hope they don't follow this path because I'm really lazy to learn how to use another operating system
There should be an actual product recall until they at a minimum fix the documentation. Perhaps a full refund and no more support for the flawed (all recent, apparently) versions. Requiring them to provide instructions for installing Linux would be too much to ask for.
Because it is. Not just Recall but Windows 10 & 11 are by definition malware. Microsoft even brags about it in their marketing and are proud of how many data points they collect from Windows computers.
@@user-is7xs1mr9y I recently moved my 67 year old brother over to Linux Mint, set it up with all his browser shortcuts and so forth and he's loving it.
I'm so glad I've kept my Windows 10 choked to an earlier version, I search for Copilot and all it comes up with is Bing searches and nothing in Windows itself. Thank Heavens I limited mine by force to 21H1.
I'd say you're rather dense if you didn't immediately realize some people would love those ideas when you reading that book. Also that George Orwell was a colonial police so he's one of those people.
Might as well start using Linux at this point, I understand that getting things working properly might be a pain, but I'd rather go through the pain of getting something done, than to have my stuff monitored every second by Microsoft... and prevent my hard disk from wearing out faster than nature because of Windows' telemetry.
I literally dont even use windows at home anymore (finally even switched my gaming pc off of it) but still VERY much appreciate this video, it helps me prove to my friends and family that I am not completely nuts saying MSFT was getting more and more aggressive with the intrusive stuff at a faster and faster pace.
@@dinneryetiLinux, emulation with proton is so user friendly and good by now that it even outperforms windows machines in performance, the only things that may cause issues are games with kernel level anticheats which are increadibly suspicious to begin with
@@MageOfGaming3 Right, but if you are having to emulate windows, doesnt that just bring Recall right back in to the picture? Eventually games will drop support for Win10 which for now at least doesnt seem to have this crap embedded in it.
@@dinneryeti You don't seem to quite understand how the "emulation" proccess works in this case, so let me clear it up Proton and wine emulate a windows envrioment that is stripped down to the raw basics needed, both of which aim for security and stability, they aren't comparable to a normal virtual machine running a official windows version, they emulate windows libraries that games need to run. So they aren't actually usuable as a windows Operating system but just libraries for games to run off This is highly simplified but no these don't emulate recall in any way or form On a side note proton is based off the wine software which was originally used to make windows applications run on linux based system Proton so to speak is a fork of wine developed by valve and is integrated right into steam but is also open source on github
@@MageOfGaming3 Thats a great explanation. I appreciate that. I just assumed it was another virtual environment type thing. I will def be looking in to switching.
Doesn't apple and google do it with their cloud services. Not a screenshot but the picture sync. Google literally steals photos. I had logged out or disabled sync for the photos app but it gets turned on and gets synced anyways. These guys are thieves.
They've changed eula last year and allowed themselves to put AI onto your system and work with your data. It was an obvious slippery slope - no matter what they said at the time, they'd stealthily make use of all the permissions they gave themselves sooner rather than later.
I don't know a single person who believed them, they tend to lie about most things. Except when they said that win10 would be the last version of windows I was ever gonna use or however they phrased it, that was correct no matter if they want it to or not.
@@joseoncrack I feel like this is being directed from somewhere, especially with what geopolitical things are going on around us. Unlike IE in the 90s where that was a greed/anti-trust play, this isn't just about a feature to generate shareholder value. This is more sinister. And can also be exploited by bad actors; Microsoft, a trillion dollar company, is really opening themselves to something really bad (lawsuits and bad PR) if hackers find a way to use this shoehorn by M$ to get screenshots of users' systems.
@@joseoncracklol where did you hear that? Such a small fraction of a percent of crimes are committed on a computer, and a fraction of the fraction aren’t logged in one way or another, and virtually zero of the criminals smart enough to keep clean logs forget to disable recall…
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad Ever heard of the Dark Web? Criminals don't need to keep logs, they just want the data. Most cyber crimes are not by individuals, but organizations. Example: ransom ware, site hacking (man-in-the-middle), DNS hacking to redirect traffic, phishing scams. The list goes on and on. If you think hackers are lone wolf actors holed up in some basement, you watch too many movies and TV shows.
It is also a violation of the 4th Amendment. It doesn't mention anything about only government spying on people. This is also a matter of national security for not only they USA, but the rest of the world as well. They're spying on everyone everywhere.
@@Lelende HIPAA are laws in the US governing healthcare privacy. An example of a HIPAA violation would be a healthcare provider telling anyone about a patient's diagnosis, naming the patient and giving personal details about that patient /Patient's health.
@@Lelende HIPAA, or the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, is a U.S. law enacted in 1996. It aims to protect patients' medical records and other personal health information. HIPAA's job is to maintain the privacy and security of health information in the U.S. healthcare system.
@@mikem9536 Yes I think people are forgetting that other file explorers exist besides the winows one, but PLEASE consider linux if you are fed up with micro$oft's bullshit.
@@mikem9536 it's tied to many other processes and programs that are basic for most windows users, if u don't believe me then go finish it using the Task Manager
its strange how Microsoft will, on one hand, provide things like WSL that serve exclusively knowledgeable power users, but not make an actual version of windows that caters to that same audience.
The EU loves to spy and censor its people y'know to "protect the children" or something like that, so why would they declare this illegal? the only way that will happen is if Microsoft chooses to not cooperate with them by not giving them the data they collect.
The GDPR is bs lol. If you think daddy EU cares about you then you're in for a surprise. They might make some bs fixes for a few years until it's normalized. They now include all sorts of bloat ware for EU countries too which was one of the things they couldn't do before.
@@MorMacFey-v2g It doesn't. At least it can't report it back to them, although it will keep around a bunch of information on your system that you'd probably rather not be there.
@@rogerthedodger5788 So that's how "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way" - if you aren't even allowed to state obvious facts about the establishment
In a year or two Microsoft will announce "Recall can now be synced between all your devices" and that's when they will start uploading personal and sensitive information to their cloud without explicit permission, that's why Recall right now is just a parasite without reason
I used chrome for some stuff, mainly work since some websites are breaking for other browsers (very IE5 of them btw) but I just ditched it completely after the manifest v2 bs.
Every day, I get a little closer to seriously considering beginning the migration over to Linux. I have so many windows programs, but I'll have to figure it out I guess, because I do NOT want this on my computer.
Yes I agree but Linux for most people is usable like me case to rigid I can't do even the basics of things with out agony and efort and don't get me started on software suport
Until I can use my HDR display, play the anti cheat enabled games I have unironically thousands of hours in and have VR gaming be in a not piss poor state I won't be using Linux You guys always focus on "Microsoft keeps giving reasons to switch to Linux" but not "Linux gives reasons to switch from windows" and that's because Linux isn't a good option, windows is just becoming a worse one
What I think will happen next: - Logging into OneDrive will be mandatory alongside the Microsoft account. - Recall will have a mandatory minimal functionality on the system, like telemetry. - Recall files will be stored on OneDrive and therefore can be legally accessed by Microsoft because of their ToS and Eula. Microsoft wouldn't throw out a pricey feature like recall and let users get away with not using it.
I know that very few people including myself aren't gonna wanna hear this but it is actually the unfortunate reality. Windows although arguably the most popular desktop operating system and most likely the most pirated as well, what we all like to ignore or live against is that Windows is closed source (to the best of my knowledge) AND it has a license agreement, meaning that, like android, like iOS, we don't actually own any of these systems, they are borrowed, usually with a hefty price tag, and so we use our cheap, expensive and everywhere in between systems that are running on usually borrowed software, and we've been getting frustrated that this borrowed software keeps invading our privacy despite that being the intent from the gecko. Each new operating system is more and more intrusive, IF you ask me, that's by design. You don't just do everything all at once, it's too obvious, you get people on board and you gradually add to it so fewer and fewer people wanna leave. Like facebook and other social media platforms. It's not a solution by any means but if you wanna use an operating system that is just a little more free and you're willing to sacrifice corporate apps like MS office, Adobe Photoshop, then go with Linux, which STILL has a license but it's suppose it be free for all. If you don't wanna be spied on at all... I'd get rid of any computers you have. 😂And that won't be enough either because there's microphones from other people's phones that pick up the environment. You don't have to believe me. You can say I'm crazy. There's enough evidence out there to validate my words. Cheers
We need to get out of this hell. Gaming is one of the last pillars of Microsoft and it keeps people on the system. If gaming was dominated on Linux, it would cause people to daily drive Linux instead and this would just cause a Domino effect in the Enterprise industry. The giant must fall.
@@gotoastal you right, I don't mind, I'm not even a gamer, but lots of people want to play certain games that can only be played on Windows, especially when modding is involved, as a lot of tooling comes for Windows only.
I am SOOOOO glad that I moved to Linux right before this Recall shit began. The best time to leave was two years ago, the second best time to leave is NOW!!!
@@scpatl4now MOST peoples arguments are- "I need Adobe." Or - "My game doesn't run as good" And both are really terrible because it just says that most people don't want to learn something new or sacrifice an addiction for more freedom.
Indeed sir. I agree. I have already switched to Linux and I am happy with that decision. If enough people switch to Linux then the game publishers will have no choice but to publish for Linux users. That will provide incentive enough for the rest of the die hard gamers who can't live without Windows. We are bigger as a community than Microsoft, but we have to come together in order to defeat their monopoly.
I moved to Linux a couple of years ago and I'm very happy I did. I'm certainly no Linux evangelist - there's a lot of things that could be better for the average PC user, and I think it's important to focus on that, BUT it's a far better alternative than Windows.
@@VioFaxi got lucky man. All the games i like are pretty old and they work 😁. Btw noone else around me uses games or adobe still having windows because its default.
I'm done with Windows. I'm not giving Microsoft any more money, and I'm transitioning off the platform. They repeatedly show me they are my enemy, so I'm finally believing them. It's not me, it's you.
@@soirema Linux - $0 CPU - Lite Usage Updates - Yes, also $0 Viruses - Rarely or never Bugs - Rarely, fixed regularly Bloat - None Mal/spyware - None Specialization - Many specialized and generalized distros to choose from Customizable - Fully Gaming/graphic design/etc. - See Specialization As the used to say, a no-brainer!
Ironic this update also apparently unlocks extra gaming power for Ryzen CPUs, so lots of people will jump onto this update without realising what’s happened. It does make you think whether this 24H2 update has been disguised as a performance update, in order to quietly add in all this recall nonsense.
They have to increase performance of the base OS to free up performance for when the AI features are fully rolled out. Those performance gains are likely temporary and will vanish when the AI rollout finishes.
At some point? Yeah. They will. You'll have to verify your identity at some point with a new MS account they will make mandatory to even install the damn os.
What makes you think they don't already have it? Seriously, it's time for some Governments to bring the hammer down. Spying on people is just not acceptable.
Basically MS recall takes unprompted and uncontrollable pictures of your screen and sends the pictures to Microsoft. (A very big oversimplification but it's pretty much that)
Thank you Chris for all the hard work. I've been fighting this issue for over a week until you explained it to me I didn't understand why it was breaking file explorer. Keep up the awesome work man and great video!
That's not surprising...the AI recall feature is a gold mine for Microsoft. First it was non mandatory, then it's default...and at some point they will gather all this data to sell to advertiser. And it will be written in tiny letter with obtuse vocabulary in the middle of the license agreement 50 pages in.
Just as a note, if you've tried switching to Linux before and found it unusable, WINE has gotten pretty damn good over the past few years, especially if you use wine-staging and play around with settings like esync, fsync, etc. It's worth grabbing a live USB image and having a go with it if you haven't done it in a while.
Too bad I can't use Meta Quest headsets and my change my settings (NOT RGB) for Razer peripherals on Linux. And no I'm not using software from some guy in github. Plus my Razer kitty V2 isn't supported
@@gangstertechnology "60% of the applications i need for work don't work with wine", said 100% of the people that didn't look into Linux based alternatives.
Linux will be low single digit share of users until they get rid of their little cults for each version and make a unified/standard baseline interface and settings control that anyone from 5-100 years old can understand by looking at it. The 'basic' user should never have to use the CLI or spend hours looking through forums to fix something. Once they present a more standardized system, more users and software companies will support it.
@@algernopkrieger138 Actually, Linux is already almost at 5% user share. 4.3% last I heard. I'm predicting high single digits for 2025. But there will never be one standardized user interface across all of Linux, just because of different users having different preferences. Though maybe as more non-enthusiast users start to use it, one will become much more common.
Even if Chris's savvy viewers don't use Microsoft any more there will still be many companies, organisations, government employees etc who will be using it ... and that is where the problem lies. Everyone will be effected by this even if they never touch a computer.
Exactly this. MS has such a monopoly on computing that I don't think it can be broken up even if they wanted to. Think of how integrated Windows is into our infrastructure. It IS what keeps everything going and in order to even switch half of the enterprise infrastructure work stations out there to something else would take many many years and who knows how much $$. I hate it so much.
I doubt LTSC/Enterprise/IoT copies will have this baked in because this would violate a lot of ToS of certain fields of application at enterprise or service or defense levels
Welp. If it isn't the thing just about everyone on tech TH-cam called. Including us in the comments. "Yeah, you can turn it off FOR NOW" Is basically what we all thought
I have entirely switched to Linux since they announced this but there's a couple things I still have to work out. I thought I had more time. I'm so disappointed man. Despite all the backlash they've just totally lied and pushed forward with the shit nobody wanted
We all knew they were going to pull this, because they _always_ pull this. Microsoft introduces spyware as an "optional feature", and then, later, they make it _integral._
@@Lookingformorefun I am pretty sure Microsoft wants to keep the money. This is a form of corporate greed. And Linux is about freedom, one of the most important values of the USA. This is about personal freedom VS restriction. Which red blooded man wants to be owned by a company full of nerds?
With the introduction of "Recall", I have decided to ditch Windows as soon as Windows 10 is no longer supported in almost exactly one year's time. This means that I will then switch to Linux and only run a VM with Win11 for the programmes that simply won't run under Linux.
you can very easily find an IoT Enterprise LTSC iso online. it'll have security updates for like 7 years you can also just stay on 10. your pc won't instantly explode the second w10 support is dropped
Windows recall is my nightmare scenario for Windows. It's literally worst case scenario. I have always used Windows knowing they upload analytical data to their servers, but never the raw data from my applications. Recalls entire purpose is to track literally everything you do, then upload it to Microsoft's servers. I don't care about opt in, or uninstalling, or bitlocker/local only. This video makes it clear they tried extremely hard to make it un-removable. It's entire purpose is to track you, and upload. I started my Linux migration this last weekend.
@@bluecar5556 now the irony is that Win will not let you install IE at all whatsoever anymore forcing you into Edge. My workplace still needs IE for legacy business applications, and Edge compatibility mode sucks eggs; instead of it being a one-and-done toggle you still have to fight it just to remain in IE mode. It's a lot of extra unnecessary work trying to get non-IT employees back on track again when we already have so much of everything else on our plates
So yeah apparently this breaches a legally binding ruling/agreement between the EU and Microsoft that CoPilot and Recall have to be uninstallable without breaking the system. Also, this is why I'll be switching to Linux, and for anything that needs Windows, I'll be using Windows 10, end of life or not.
What it's doing in the background is collecting training data for the modality of AI that will be "interacting with user interfaces", in case anyone is wondering.
They can tell you anything they want, you don't have visibility into what they do with that data. You know who does? Microsoft, their employees and the govt 🙂
It's insane. I was having extreme issues with File Explorer and gave up for a moment and decided to just chill with a TH-cam video, yours showed up and the exact same issue. Insane!
They wouldn’t put all that time an energy into developing a “feature” like this, with everything they’ve invested into OpenAI, just to go “Oops, nevermind!” and walk Recall back entirely the first time it was announced due to backlash.
I actually think they will go through with this myself, they clearly dont care about the enthusiast market anymore. a decision like this means they want that sweet sweet juicy data from the "average person" . so they can directly target advertisements to the midwits that ads actually work on. its a win for them in literally every way. (because you KNOW this will have a way to shove ads in your face). the amount of training data there is what they really want, which I suppose I understand, I just wish they were not so evil about it.
You know, I was sitting there getting annoyed with little things with Linux. I just switched a few weeks ago, and was thinking of dual booting windows just to ease my headaches. Now, I'm sticking to Linux, not dealing with this
It's vital that the police can check exactly what you've been doing on your computer to keep you safe. If you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear unless they retrospectively outlaw what you did.
We need some big name attorney to go back and find the adds that said windows 10 is the last operating system you will need, and they file a lawsuit that forces Microsoft to support windows 10 till at least the year 2050. I am staying on Win 10 as long as I can. I just upgraded my PC and transferred my drives so I didn't have to go to 11.
Whenever AutoDesk, SolidWorks, and AAA game devs want to stop only developing for Windows and start focusing more on Linux… that would be awesome. Perhaps Microsoft knows most of humanity is trapped on Windows for the foreseeable future because of some dependencies, libraries, or kernel-level anti-cheat software that can’t run on Linux (yet), even with WINE. And Microsoft, which is in fact a US government contractor, is more than happy to help out US law enforcement with this kind of feature… I wonder if the prices of street drugs are gonna skyrocket in a couple years because this feature will help law enforcement catch a whole bunch of non-tech-savvy dealers out there.
Wrong companies follow the money, Microsoft knows that the users are addicted to the products and some for work puroses depend on them. Gamers could go to Linux or Mac over night and within a year all those game companies would release for those platforms to avoid going under. Work is another story entirely but in the end, collectivly users always had the power but dont want to deal with huge inconvience of the transitional period. As long as the money flowing , from a companies point of view their is aboslutly no reason to go to linux or anything else. People can cry all day, only their actions have any meaning.
Chris forgot to mention you might also want to open the group policy editor and navigate to administrative templates >> windows components >> windows AI and enable the policy there to disable recall (there will be 1 or 2 policies there, depending on the PC, 1 is for turning snapshots off the other is for turning off using AI to analyze user data).
I can't believe anyone would believe even for a second when they said it wouldn't be mandatory. Imagine the massive amount of data this could give them access to, there's simply no way they'd give up on that. But when you said it was a dependency for FILE EXPLORER of ALL THINGS, I laughed from the shock. They're really trying their hardest to advertise Linux and Mac
@@Ness_and_Sonic The point is that the majority of people won't take the time to research how to get rid these predatory types of software. Microsoft knows that. It's free data for them.
I'm thinking maybe it wasn't Microsoft who suddenly decided to make it mandatory... It almost sounds like a government department pressured them into coming up with an excuse to make it mandatory, and also a back door please.
@@tin2001 I wouldn't put it Microsoft as this isn't the first time they did something like this. Gamers might remember the Xbox One's launch and how they bundled the Kinect with it even though it didn't need it. They also tried to undermine the second hand market as well. Anyway, if it's anyone is the US Government asking them for this, I'd say Microsoft should have blown the whistle on them instead of complying like cowards.
Agreed. I think EU laws will pose a problem for Microsoft. Look at Apple's latest OS, the built in AI stuff is not available in the EU (not yet anyway).
@@Erowens98 More people need to understand this. This is why every single contract has a clause in it that says something to the effect of "if any part of this contract is found to be legally void, the remaining contract stands, as long as it isn't also legally void." Because lawyers make mistakes, and sometimes they include illegal terms.
I do have a question. Since recall depends upon contacting MS to relay it's sleuthing/spying results, why can't a person go to their router's firewall and simply block any access to that or those addresses? That would fully kill it's operation. MS doesn't say that in order to use Win 11, you have to be connected to the Internet (even though you would be, but not to their servers).
If removing Recall, and the file explorer will still functioning without new look, I still willing to take the trade. I really do wish remove Recall and Edge can be added as a toggle. Edit: After testing microwin 24.09.12, with recall stripped out, even new windows update after clean installed, recall is added again.
@@thezipcreator In October 2019, a potential secret backdoor was discovered in the popular Linux distribution Alpine Linux by security researcher Thomas Jarosch. The issue was related to an outdated version of libseccomp that contained a known vulnerability (CVE-2018-17185). This vulnerability could potentially allow an attacker to escalate their privileges and gain control over the system. Alpine Linux’s maintainers promptly released updates to address this issue, but it raised concerns about community-run distributions having inadequate security measures in place.
@@thezipcreator the XZ backdoor is the most recent that found its way into a boatload of distros. that backdoor was fortunately (and accidentally) caught early, but who knows what else is lurking out there?
- Create an OS called windows - Make it the most best OS ever - Make it popular and gain millions of dollars - Start making shitty updates and add lots of bloatware to the OS - Inject spyware that’s deep into your system - Force everyone to use shit they don’t want to use
@@BenState 'So authoritarianism?' Punishing criminals who take knowing illegal actions is not 'authoritarianism'. Go back to school, try to learn what the words actually mean this time.
The recent update broke our mapped network connection to our server machine with PC that have a windows email login. Meaning local installs still work. Jesus what a hassle.
I'm done with MS. Been a MS guy forever, tinkered with Linux for years but never stuck. Switched to Linux Mint a few weeks ago and planning to make it permanent. I'm now fully committed to learning to live with a different environment. Thanks MS support, patch team, marketing, product management for making the decision for me!
@@JeanTheron-cf8zlCan't speak for them specifically, but honestly? If you understand computers and how to Google you'll have no problems with Linux, although i personally use Fedora
noice, same for me pretty much though its on a separate pc for now. ive used mostly ubuntu (as well as headless) and raspbian, mint has been far better in basically every way. though I might end up going with arch when I make the real swap from 10 sometime next year. If only because valve is directly supporting it and fixing the issues with wayland. I highly recommend using AI as a tool to make your linux experience better, (while also not giving it screenshots of everything you do) claude and gpt are absolutely amazing at troubleshooting and walking you through complicated stuff, especially with the command line. just copy pasting an error with some context and you will usually end up with a fix for very little effort.
@@mrrooter601 Don’t forget to leave as many other MS products as you can too: GitHub, Sponsors, Copilot, VS Code, Codespaces, Azure, npm, Teams, Outlook, & LinkedIn
@@JeanTheron-cf8zl It has been mostly fine! Probably 90% of what I do is in a browser so it doesn't take much lol I build my own machines and had loved endlessly tweaking and tinkering but stopped gaming over a decade ago so not much need to faff with hardware or game compatibility problems/optimizations (yet). The one issue that's a slight irk is I use a TV for a monitor (43" ips, 4x1080p screens for work productivity yay!) and it doesn't like 4k@60Hz. Tried a bunch of tweaks and can force it but there are flickering pixels so I went back to 30Hz. That other 10% I'll deal with when it comes up. Things like 3d printing/modeling, video and image editing, local media streaming/sharing. I feel pretty confident those can all be done with a small amount of effort.
I have W10 on a dual-boot system and after a forced update I noticed the Co-Pilot icon in my task bar. My knee-jerk reaction was to uninstall it immediately. It doesn't seem to have negatively affected my system, but who knows if uninstalling actually gets rid of it?
Jump lists have been around for a long time. If you really want to disable them, you can do it using the Group Policy Editor. I asked Co-Pilot what would happen ... Disabling tracking in Group Policy can affect the Recall feature on Windows 11. Recall relies on tracking user activity to save snapshots and help you find content using natural language2, If tracking is disabled, Recall won't be able to save these snapshots, effectively hobbling the feature.
Microsoft wants to become Skynet like a cry baby. Then let it be that way. We will move on to Linux happily. Thanks you Chris we can stop major updates and just stick security update. My work place PC is still on Win 11 23H2 with your win utility tweak tools magic.
Looks like it's time for me as well to go back to Linux and just run Windblows in VM isolated from everything for apps I still need that are Windblows only. A better option would be to have a second computer completely disconnected from the internet for it.
@@markusTegelane Ah yes a pirated version bundled with keyloggers, ransomware and spyware on top of the Microsoft spyware, it sounds amazing and so secure!
All the hoops a Windows poweruser has to jump through and over nowadays after each feature update, just to get the grip back on their OS, it amazes me more and more. GL to all you Windows powerusers!
@@ereinaudactually the commands may be needed when you first set everything up then it's smooth sailings for years unless you hit a big update. Even small updates are that big a deal on distros like Fedora (which seems kind of rolling distro with how fast they phase out releases)
It sucks, Windows doesn't really need to suck that much but Microsoft just keeps crippling it and bloating it. It's a shame really and I say that as a long time Linux user.
@@ereinaud At some point, Windows will require more terminal fuckery than Linux, not to mention the goddamn registry. It really will be fascinating to watch that happen.
I cannot imagine businesses and governments keeping the feature around... I expect some will try to port those tweaks from Enterprise versions into Pro
Eventually they will have a real-time window into all of our PCs so that any three-letter agency can see what you're doing at any time to make sure you're not a criminal.
I built my new PC last month and made a lot of research about Win11, I made a striped down version of it (custome unattend.xml file) , customized the explorer and even turned off windows update 2 days ago because I had enough of Edge re-downloading and auto-installing itself (1.5 Gigs of wasted space) and I just don't want it on my system. Will update Defender manually. So yeah, I'm not happy with Microsoft and they're sh*t and having to fight them is getting tiresome.
Yeah the only long lasting problem is Edge reinstalling every time WU runs (22 hours cycle). I don't really remember how I was able to stop Edge permanently from coming back even when I had Edge WebView, since I tried many combinations of known ways and some modifications of WU to stop it, while also not breaking WebView, but it is possible. It is just tricky to do so.
is there a way to reverse this by uninstalling Recall, taking the File Explorer from 23H2 and reinserting it back into 24h2? This way tabs would still be there but not Recall? So tired of people,gov't, and computers telling me what I want and need. My theory is... My Computer, My Rules
Windows Utility Download - christitus.com/downloads
GitHub Source - github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil
To Disable Recall in 24H2(Removing it breaks explorer):
- Open Settings
- Select Privacy & security
- Choose Recall & snapshots
- Toggle off Recall
**Note: For those that do not see the setting. It is a feature that IS getting installed behind the scenes. Run this removal:
Dism /online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:"Recall"
Then restart your PC and you will notice everything I outlined in this video. Your explorer will look very different and old. Why is Recall a dependency for this new explorer?
As luck would have it, Windows 11 is not mandatory ^^
Time to put Explorer.exe into Ghidra and patch the dependencies out
How do I stay on 23H2 forever ? Also, is recall also mandatory in Windows 11 LTSC (that just came out)
Interestingly I have 24H2 but I don't have an option for Recall & snapshots in the Privacy and security menu.
@@tgheretford Because unlike what he claims, Recall is only for Copilot+ PCs (and it isn't even out yet for those). Nobody else who already owns a machine running Windows will get Recall. The video is borderline FUD.
As a German and European citizen, I sincerely urge you to report this to the European Commission using the "Complaint Form for Breach of EU Law" (can't link here sadly). In August, the EU Council ruled that Microsoft must enable the complete uninstallation of Recall and Copilot due to privacy laws. Making these features mandatory, as you can demonstrate and prove, constitutes a violation of that ruling.
really just commenting so this gets more attention
commenting for recognition
This needs to be seen
This needs to be seen.
This needs to be seen
also, its time to move to Linux
HOW is Recall a dependency for a feature that worked perfectly fine without it and before it even existed? Complete garbage that Microsoft is shoehorning this slop into every corner of Windows.
Stop asking sensible questions. 😂
Microsoft have form for integrating things into the OS, Windows 98 and Internet explorer, as I understand it Edge is now integrated into Windows. It is not impossible for Microsoft to make Recall a core dependency preventing uninstall. I do not know if Chris is right or not here, I am 100% Linux now, but linking Recall to explorer would not be out of character for Microsoft.
@@jedipadawan7023 Edge can be easily uninstalled with almost zero impact on Windows performance
Windows can't install it on your computer if you don't have Windows on your computer.
It's how they keep your from uninstalling it. They did the same thing with Cortana in 10.
If you're a doctor, lawyer, journalist, law enforcement, government official, CEO, CTO, software engineer, work with anything privacy related or have ever signed an NDA - you cannot use Windows 11.
There's a reason why companies like Deloitte, among others, still use Windows 10 Enterprise on all non-Apple machines.
Many of these companies have poor IT. Remember the Equifax scandal? That's was a big one, but shabby work like that is very widespread throughout small businesses, most of which do not care, understand, or care to understand.
Hmm, basically everybody :)
Lawyers don't read Microsoft its license anyway 😂
Tell that to Engineers at my hospital. I was told Recall poses no security threat
This could make using window 11 illegal in certain use cases. In switzerland , using windows 11 in hospitals might breach data protection laws.
Gates has a certain way of.....getting what he wants.
Windows 11 enterprise doesn't have recall
@@thecandyman9308 inb4 he goes to prison
Iot and enterprise versions for specific business use cases don't have these
@@thecandyman9308 Gates is literally not involved in MS anymore.
Anybody else sick of microsoft
Bill Gates and Windows
who the hell isnt
I love Windows 10
yea 20 years ago, when I switched to linux for good.
Not me
Microsoft is always looking for ways to make me regret having paid for my Windows 11. I hope they don't follow this path because I'm really lazy to learn how to use another operating system
Where did you find it because I'm looking for it and I need it for my work PC
My bro at BNH Software always makes me feel safe about his safety.
why are you paying for windows 11??
Paying for Windows is so funny, it's like paying for Facebook, but WITH the ads
@@mike__5kplook into linux mint instead
So any serious Journalists investigating powerful people should probably stop using windows 11 immediately.
There should be an actual product recall until they at a minimum fix the documentation. Perhaps a full refund and no more support for the flawed (all recent, apparently) versions. Requiring them to provide instructions for installing Linux would be too much to ask for.
I never switched to windows 11
mossad will love this feature
No windows and no android phones.
why are you using windows in the first place for that
Recall feels like malware
Because it is. Not just Recall but Windows 10 & 11 are by definition malware. Microsoft even brags about it in their marketing and are proud of how many data points they collect from Windows computers.
It is
*windows
it is LITERALLY spyware
Spyware but yeah
I just noticed copilot in my taskbar today and thought "WTF is that and where did it come from?".
And I have Win 10, not Win 11.
Just got that too. Absolutely disgusting.
I'll have to check my dad's computer, he's stuck with Windows unfortunately.
Popped up about 2 months back for me after a forced update that I thought I stopped from happening. Tossed it right off immediately.
@@user-is7xs1mr9y I recently moved my 67 year old brother over to Linux Mint, set it up with all his browser shortcuts and so forth and he's loving it.
I'm so glad I've kept my Windows 10 choked to an earlier version, I search for Copilot and all it comes up with is Bing searches and nothing in Windows itself. Thank Heavens I limited mine by force to 21H1.
I think some people are confused. 1984 by George Orwell was a warning, not an instruction manual.
In 1984 people are treated better than Microsoft does. Microsoft is a monopoly based on violence.
im just replying to this since all my other comments in replies or raw on this video was deleted for some reason
I'd say you're rather dense if you didn't immediately realize some people would love those ideas when you reading that book.
Also that George Orwell was a colonial police so he's one of those people.
It was simply a testimony of life in England. Sadly, people didn't get rid if the English when they had a chance.
@@norwegiansmores811Muh 1984. These people saying better standing than life on knee dont like it when Palestine stood up.
Keeping malware off your OS is one thing. When your OS *IS* malware, then you've lost the battle before you even start.
Windows has been a malware since Win10 but this is next level.
I miss windows 7. I loved everything about that OS. I even left *nix for it. I wish we could go back to that with modern security
Even better is when TH-camrs make a video based on a lie
Might as well start using Linux at this point, I understand that getting things working properly might be a pain, but I'd rather go through the pain of getting something done, than to have my stuff monitored every second by Microsoft... and prevent my hard disk from wearing out faster than nature because of Windows' telemetry.
It's not getting installed on this Windows 7 system, that's for sure.
I literally dont even use windows at home anymore (finally even switched my gaming pc off of it) but still VERY much appreciate this video, it helps me prove to my friends and family that I am not completely nuts saying MSFT was getting more and more aggressive with the intrusive stuff at a faster and faster pace.
what other OS can you really game on though?
@@dinneryetiLinux, emulation with proton is so user friendly and good by now that it even outperforms windows machines in performance, the only things that may cause issues are games with kernel level anticheats which are increadibly suspicious to begin with
@@MageOfGaming3 Right, but if you are having to emulate windows, doesnt that just bring Recall right back in to the picture? Eventually games will drop support for Win10 which for now at least doesnt seem to have this crap embedded in it.
@@dinneryeti You don't seem to quite understand how the "emulation" proccess works in this case, so let me clear it up
Proton and wine emulate a windows envrioment that is stripped down to the raw basics needed, both of which aim for security and stability, they aren't comparable to a normal virtual machine running a official windows version, they emulate windows libraries that games need to run. So they aren't actually usuable as a windows Operating system but just libraries for games to run off
This is highly simplified but no these don't emulate recall in any way or form
On a side note proton is based off the wine software which was originally used to make windows applications run on linux based system
Proton so to speak is a fork of wine developed by valve and is integrated right into steam but is also open source on github
@@MageOfGaming3 Thats a great explanation. I appreciate that. I just assumed it was another virtual environment type thing. I will def be looking in to switching.
People need to spread the word about this, because taking screenshots of someones pc is unacceptable
It should be illegal.
@@RaymondSwanson-u9y Technically it is but unenforceable.
Already on it. Unfortunately, so far, all I get is "Yeah, I'ma stick with Windows, anyway."
Doesn't apple and google do it with their cloud services. Not a screenshot but the picture sync. Google literally steals photos. I had logged out or disabled sync for the photos app but it gets turned on and gets synced anyways. These guys are thieves.
@@Phuckitall Tends to happen when there's no other alternatives that do everything Windows does.
I didn't believe them for a moment about Recall.
I don't even believe that the disable button will do anything at all.
@@minghaoliang4311yup.
Honestly they (CTT) should just give the option to fully Remove recall and then have to use the win10 explorer
Same
They've changed eula last year and allowed themselves to put AI onto your system and work with your data. It was an obvious slippery slope - no matter what they said at the time, they'd stealthily make use of all the permissions they gave themselves sooner rather than later.
I don't know a single person who believed them, they tend to lie about most things.
Except when they said that win10 would be the last version of windows I was ever gonna use or however they phrased it, that was correct no matter if they want it to or not.
Microsoft isn't going to stop with this shit until the Justice department steps in... again.
Yes, but this feature is so "useful" for law enforcement purposes that MS may get away with it one way or another.
Easy fix... pay them off like they usually do.
@@joseoncrack I feel like this is being directed from somewhere, especially with what geopolitical things are going on around us. Unlike IE in the 90s where that was a greed/anti-trust play, this isn't just about a feature to generate shareholder value. This is more sinister. And can also be exploited by bad actors; Microsoft, a trillion dollar company, is really opening themselves to something really bad (lawsuits and bad PR) if hackers find a way to use this shoehorn by M$ to get screenshots of users' systems.
@@joseoncracklol where did you hear that?
Such a small fraction of a percent of crimes are committed on a computer, and a fraction of the fraction aren’t logged in one way or another, and virtually zero of the criminals smart enough to keep clean logs forget to disable recall…
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad Ever heard of the Dark Web? Criminals don't need to keep logs, they just want the data. Most cyber crimes are not by individuals, but organizations. Example: ransom ware, site hacking (man-in-the-middle), DNS hacking to redirect traffic, phishing scams. The list goes on and on. If you think hackers are lone wolf actors holed up in some basement, you watch too many movies and TV shows.
This (Co-Pilot) violates HIPPA immediately for medical Windows machines.
It's HIPAA.
It is also a violation of the 4th Amendment. It doesn't mention anything about only government spying on people. This is also a matter of national security for not only they USA, but the rest of the world as well. They're spying on everyone everywhere.
No idea whats either. Explanation please?
@@Lelende HIPAA are laws in the US governing healthcare privacy. An example of a HIPAA violation would be a healthcare provider telling anyone about a patient's diagnosis, naming the patient and giving personal details about that patient /Patient's health.
@@Lelende HIPAA, or the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, is a U.S. law enacted in 1996. It aims to protect patients' medical records and other personal health information. HIPAA's job is to maintain the privacy and security of health information in the U.S. healthcare system.
Microsoft Recall _may_ be Mandatory, but Windows is not.
Unfortunately, for many people especially workers, Windows is mandatory. And people say Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly.
Explorer is not mandatory.
@@mikem9536 Yes I think people are forgetting that other file explorers exist besides the winows one, but PLEASE consider linux if you are fed up with micro$oft's bullshit.
@@mikem9536 it's tied to many other processes and programs that are basic for most windows users, if u don't believe me then go finish it using the Task Manager
Not much of an option - too many programs (CAD, FEM, games) can only run on Windows.
its strange how Microsoft will, on one hand, provide things like WSL that serve exclusively knowledgeable power users, but not make an actual version of windows that caters to that same audience.
Because WSL is the only way to run AI workloads directly on the GPU, like TensorFlow on CUDA.
Well, power users were automatically added to the NSA watchlist, if they dared to visit Linux Journal or Tails websites. So that's exactly the point.
That 'audience' is already using Linux, it would be a waste of effort.
No way this Recall thing is legal in the EU with their General Data Protection Regulation
I bet they decline to investigate on account of the data that microsoft will provide to law enforcement because of this feature.
I was just going to say this as well
The EU loves to spy and censor its people y'know to "protect the children" or something like that, so why would they declare this illegal? the only way that will happen is if Microsoft chooses to not cooperate with them by not giving them the data they collect.
jepp, 8 billion USD fine incoming
The GDPR is bs lol. If you think daddy EU cares about you then you're in for a surprise. They might make some bs fixes for a few years until it's normalized. They now include all sorts of bloat ware for EU countries too which was one of the things they couldn't do before.
Its reading your files, and hashing them twice, so Microsoft knows who’s naughty and nice.
How does that work without the internet?
...Privacy is leaving your town
@@MorMacFey-v2g by wasting your own PC's CPU and GPU power to run AI.
...Microsoft is spyiiing, on youuu
@@MorMacFey-v2g It doesn't. At least it can't report it back to them, although it will keep around a bunch of information on your system that you'd probably rather not be there.
These corporations are run by people and these people have names and addresses.
And a special "Executive Edition" of Windows without recall
If you said that in England you would get 24 months in prison.
@@rogerthedodger5788 So that's how "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way" - if you aren't even allowed to state obvious facts about the establishment
your comment hits different now
It would be a shame if one of them went missing 😂
In a year or two Microsoft will announce "Recall can now be synced between all your devices" and that's when they will start uploading personal and sensitive information to their cloud without explicit permission, that's why Recall right now is just a parasite without reason
First it starts with viewing your screen. Then it advances to having actual access to your PC at all times
Sick of Microsoft and sick of chrome.
And Apple may be doing the same for Apple Intelligence (although my iPhone 15 is not compatible)
One of those has a very easy fix no matter the OS you're on, switch to Firefox
@@TheSpartaPT or Brave
@@CalmzyHD brave is still chrome, if you want a true alternative go with firefox or LibreWolf
I used chrome for some stuff, mainly work since some websites are breaking for other browsers (very IE5 of them btw) but I just ditched it completely after the manifest v2 bs.
Every day, I get a little closer to seriously considering beginning the migration over to Linux. I have so many windows programs, but I'll have to figure it out I guess, because I do NOT want this on my computer.
At this point everyone should be anti-microsoft because they are anti-user.
Yes, although Apple isn't really any better. I wanted to cancel Apple TV+ after a trial period and they made me install their app in order to do so.
@@SmallSpoonBrigadereport it or something
so is every other os, apple fucking DESPISES their users, and linux is impossible to use
at this point?
@@SmallSpoonBrigadeBoth companies are following the same rulebook. It's time to put the power back in our hands. FOSS is the future
Pretty much Microsoft is slowing turning up the heat on the frog.
It's been boiling since 1992 and people choose to ignore it
*Not that slowly
Slowly?
I'd say that it's more like the frog is approaching boiled status
Except I think they pushed the dial up a little too fast and lots of frogs are going to jump out and not get boiled.
Funny how disabling Recall breaks Explorer in the consumer editions. It's completely removed in LTSC 2024 and Explorer works just fine.
@Jon717 dies disabling Recall only break Internet Explorer in Win 11, or does it also do that if we turn it off in Win 10?
With every year, MS gives more and more arguments for their users to switch to Linux :)
Can't even play my favorite multiplayer games in 2024 on Linux. To many kids cheating with Linux
Yes I agree but Linux for most people is usable like me case to rigid I can't do even the basics of things with out agony and efort and don't get me started on software suport
Microsoft is turning windows into a adware os.
Until I can use my HDR display, play the anti cheat enabled games I have unironically thousands of hours in and have VR gaming be in a not piss poor state I won't be using Linux
You guys always focus on "Microsoft keeps giving reasons to switch to Linux" but not "Linux gives reasons to switch from windows" and that's because Linux isn't a good option, windows is just becoming a worse one
I love win 10
What I think will happen next:
- Logging into OneDrive will be mandatory alongside the Microsoft account.
- Recall will have a mandatory minimal functionality on the system, like telemetry.
- Recall files will be stored on OneDrive and therefore can be legally accessed by Microsoft because of their ToS and Eula.
Microsoft wouldn't throw out a pricey feature like recall and let users get away with not using it.
I know that very few people including myself aren't gonna wanna hear this but it is actually the unfortunate reality. Windows although arguably the most popular desktop operating system and most likely the most pirated as well, what we all like to ignore or live against is that Windows is closed source (to the best of my knowledge) AND it has a license agreement, meaning that, like android, like iOS, we don't actually own any of these systems, they are borrowed, usually with a hefty price tag, and so we use our cheap, expensive and everywhere in between systems that are running on usually borrowed software, and we've been getting frustrated that this borrowed software keeps invading our privacy despite that being the intent from the gecko. Each new operating system is more and more intrusive, IF you ask me, that's by design. You don't just do everything all at once, it's too obvious, you get people on board and you gradually add to it so fewer and fewer people wanna leave. Like facebook and other social media platforms.
It's not a solution by any means but if you wanna use an operating system that is just a little more free and you're willing to sacrifice corporate apps like MS office, Adobe Photoshop, then go with Linux, which STILL has a license but it's suppose it be free for all.
If you don't wanna be spied on at all... I'd get rid of any computers you have. 😂And that won't be enough either because there's microphones from other people's phones that pick up the environment. You don't have to believe me. You can say I'm crazy. There's enough evidence out there to validate my words.
Cheers
or simply Windows will not permit any drive - only ROM with basic functions and Recall, everything else will be the onedrive.
@@false_positive Well, it's possible. There has been quite a big push to not have people use their own drives anymore and instead use cloud storage.
-Face loggin only
-Credit Card attached is mandatory
Microsoft accounts are already mandatory on new hardware
We need to get out of this hell. Gaming is one of the last pillars of Microsoft and it keeps people on the system. If gaming was dominated on Linux, it would cause people to daily drive Linux instead and this would just cause a Domino effect in the Enterprise industry. The giant must fall.
Don't worry, Valve is furiously working on the gaming front.
There are _so_ many games out there tho… if you find one that doesn’t work on Linux, refund it & play something else. Don’t let this be the barrier.
@@gotoastal you right, I don't mind, I'm not even a gamer, but lots of people want to play certain games that can only be played on Windows, especially when modding is involved, as a lot of tooling comes for Windows only.
@@_modiX That's a chicken and egg problem. If more gamers were on Linux, more modders would be.
@@2020-p2zWhich Linux do you recommend I start using I want to stop using Windows
I am SOOOOO glad that I moved to Linux right before this Recall shit began. The best time to leave was two years ago, the second best time to leave is NOW!!!
The best time to leave was 10 years ago...just think how good you'd be at Linux by now!🤣🤣🤣
@@scpatl4now
MOST peoples arguments are- "I need Adobe." Or - "My game doesn't run as good" And both are really terrible because it just says that most people don't want to learn something new or sacrifice an addiction for more freedom.
Indeed sir. I agree. I have already switched to Linux and I am happy with that decision. If enough people switch to Linux then the game publishers will have no choice but to publish for Linux users. That will provide incentive enough for the rest of the die hard gamers who can't live without Windows. We are bigger as a community than Microsoft, but we have to come together in order to defeat their monopoly.
I moved to Linux a couple of years ago and I'm very happy I did. I'm certainly no Linux evangelist - there's a lot of things that could be better for the average PC user, and I think it's important to focus on that, BUT it's a far better alternative than Windows.
@@VioFaxi got lucky man. All the games i like are pretty old and they work 😁. Btw noone else around me uses games or adobe still having windows because its default.
I'm done with Windows. I'm not giving Microsoft any more money, and I'm transitioning off the platform. They repeatedly show me they are my enemy, so I'm finally believing them. It's not me, it's you.
what will you switch to..?
@@soiremalinux
@@soirema
Linux - $0
CPU - Lite Usage
Updates - Yes, also $0
Viruses - Rarely or never
Bugs - Rarely, fixed regularly
Bloat - None
Mal/spyware
- None
Specialization
- Many specialized and generalized distros to choose from
Customizable
- Fully
Gaming/graphic design/etc.
- See Specialization
As the used to say, a no-brainer!
Ironic this update also apparently unlocks extra gaming power for Ryzen CPUs, so lots of people will jump onto this update without realising what’s happened.
It does make you think whether this 24H2 update has been disguised as a performance update, in order to quietly add in all this recall nonsense.
They have to increase performance of the base OS to free up performance for when the AI features are fully rolled out. Those performance gains are likely temporary and will vanish when the AI rollout finishes.
>OS called windows
>adds a dependency for literal spyware
>it's figuratively a "window" to your computer
we need to move to Hannah Montanna linux
it always was.
So we can get the best of both worlds?
😂
HML FTW!
I would not at all be surprised if in fact Recall has its roots in the deep state...
Do they want my social security number while they are at it?
Oh wait, they will see it anyway... silly me.
Better get rid of your cellphone as well. It's listening all the time.
At some point? Yeah. They will. You'll have to verify your identity at some point with a new MS account they will make mandatory to even install the damn os.
What makes you think they don't already have it? Seriously, it's time for some Governments to bring the hammer down. Spying on people is just not acceptable.
@@algernopkrieger138 not if you turn off sensors
I don't understand almost anything but I think that is part of the process hahaha I hope little by little everything you explain in your videos
Basically MS recall takes unprompted and uncontrollable pictures of your screen and sends the pictures to Microsoft. (A very big oversimplification but it's pretty much that)
Thank you Chris for all the hard work. I've been fighting this issue for over a week until you explained it to me I didn't understand why it was breaking file explorer. Keep up the awesome work man and great video!
That's not surprising...the AI recall feature is a gold mine for Microsoft.
First it was non mandatory, then it's default...and at some point they will gather all this data to sell to advertiser.
And it will be written in tiny letter with obtuse vocabulary in the middle of the license agreement 50 pages in.
You people talk like companies used to be honest or something. That's like saying there's a conspiracy to make the sun hot.
@@MorMacFey-v2g when did I say companies used to be honest?
If anything, I'm saying the exact opposite...
Just as a note, if you've tried switching to Linux before and found it unusable, WINE has gotten pretty damn good over the past few years, especially if you use wine-staging and play around with settings like esync, fsync, etc. It's worth grabbing a live USB image and having a go with it if you haven't done it in a while.
Too bad I can't use Meta Quest headsets and my change my settings (NOT RGB) for Razer peripherals on Linux.
And no I'm not using software from some guy in github. Plus my Razer kitty V2 isn't supported
60% of the applications i need for work don't work with wine
@@gangstertechnology "60% of the applications i need for work don't work with wine", said 100% of the people that didn't look into Linux based alternatives.
In other words, Microsoft announces 2025 will be the year of the Linux PC
So PCs are ending.
@@MorMacFey-v2g PCs predate Windows and will survive it
every year is the year of linux PC
Linux will be low single digit share of users until they get rid of their little cults for each version and make a unified/standard baseline interface and settings control that anyone from 5-100 years old can understand by looking at it. The 'basic' user should never have to use the CLI or spend hours looking through forums to fix something. Once they present a more standardized system, more users and software companies will support it.
@@algernopkrieger138 Actually, Linux is already almost at 5% user share. 4.3% last I heard. I'm predicting high single digits for 2025. But there will never be one standardized user interface across all of Linux, just because of different users having different preferences. Though maybe as more non-enthusiast users start to use it, one will become much more common.
Even if Chris's savvy viewers don't use Microsoft any more there will still be many companies, organisations, government employees etc who will be using it ... and that is where the problem lies. Everyone will be effected by this even if they never touch a computer.
Exactly this. MS has such a monopoly on computing that I don't think it can be broken up even if they wanted to. Think of how integrated Windows is into our infrastructure. It IS what keeps everything going and in order to even switch half of the enterprise infrastructure work stations out there to something else would take many many years and who knows how much $$.
I hate it so much.
I doubt LTSC/Enterprise/IoT copies will have this baked in because this would violate a lot of ToS of certain fields of application at enterprise or service or defense levels
Welp. If it isn't the thing just about everyone on tech TH-cam called. Including us in the comments. "Yeah, you can turn it off FOR NOW" Is basically what we all thought
I have entirely switched to Linux since they announced this but there's a couple things I still have to work out. I thought I had more time. I'm so disappointed man. Despite all the backlash they've just totally lied and pushed forward with the shit nobody wanted
We all knew they were going to pull this, because they _always_ pull this. Microsoft introduces spyware as an "optional feature", and then, later, they make it _integral._
Microsoft is so hungry for this data harvesting! You pay for windows but you are still a commodity.
"You pay for windows" Um.... yeah about that. 🤣
I've never paid for windows, and now its not even worth pirating
@@youtubasoarus You do, if you buy a new computer from an OEM like Dell or HP... it's included in the price
@@JeanTheron-cf8zl Yeah about that....
Data for the AI and for surveillance/ copyrigth enforcement
I don’t know when I subscribed but I’m sure glad I did! Thank you for this news. The whole world needs to know
Microsoft is pushing more people to Linux, bravo to the heads of Microsoft.
"The computer is no longer personal"
"It's an anti-personal computer! I want one in Stalag 13!"
- Colonel Klink
It's their computer now, you're just renting it and instead of charging you money, they charge your data.
leftists they removed "my computer" and turned it into "our computer".
@@Lookingformorefun I am pretty sure Microsoft wants to keep the money. This is a form of corporate greed. And Linux is about freedom, one of the most important values of the USA. This is about personal freedom VS restriction. Which red blooded man wants to be owned by a company full of nerds?
Im tempted to file a lawsuit against Microsoft
With the introduction of "Recall", I have decided to ditch Windows as soon as Windows 10 is no longer supported in almost exactly one year's time. This means that I will then switch to Linux and only run a VM with Win11 for the programmes that simply won't run under Linux.
wish i could use a vm, i have alot of games that simply can not be used in vms
I wish i could do that but my achool require me to use windows, so i am stuck in Windows for like a other 3 year ...
you can very easily find an IoT Enterprise LTSC iso online. it'll have security updates for like 7 years
you can also just stay on 10. your pc won't instantly explode the second w10 support is dropped
@@oscarchampion5842an option is to just have pc for games, a console... Waste of resources maybe but it's an option.
@tools.shoe.country.quickly Thanks for the tip and maybe I will use the version in the transition period
Probably time for an antitrust, again.
Ya, that never works.
Windows recall is my nightmare scenario for Windows. It's literally worst case scenario. I have always used Windows knowing they upload analytical data to their servers, but never the raw data from my applications. Recalls entire purpose is to track literally everything you do, then upload it to Microsoft's servers. I don't care about opt in, or uninstalling, or bitlocker/local only. This video makes it clear they tried extremely hard to make it un-removable. It's entire purpose is to track you, and upload. I started my Linux migration this last weekend.
Ahh yes, integrate shit deep enough they can say it's necessary components. . . . Feels like dejavu
Ah yes, anyone who is old enough to remember the infamous Win98/IE debacle. Want to uninstall IE? Good luck!
@@bluecar5556
now the irony is that Win will not let you install IE at all whatsoever anymore forcing you into Edge. My workplace still needs IE for legacy business applications, and Edge compatibility mode sucks eggs; instead of it being a one-and-done toggle you still have to fight it just to remain in IE mode. It's a lot of extra unnecessary work trying to get non-IT employees back on track again when we already have so much of everything else on our plates
So yeah apparently this breaches a legally binding ruling/agreement between the EU and Microsoft that CoPilot and Recall have to be uninstallable without breaking the system. Also, this is why I'll be switching to Linux, and for anything that needs Windows, I'll be using Windows 10, end of life or not.
We honestly need more people talking about this
What it's doing in the background is collecting training data for the modality of AI that will be "interacting with user interfaces", in case anyone is wondering.
Spyware by another name. On everything, everything you do on YOUR computer.
Stop the 🧢!!!
Learning to be you and do your job and replace you regardless of your job, essentially
They can tell you anything they want, you don't have visibility into what they do with that data. You know who does? Microsoft, their employees and the govt 🙂
@@ShaferHart So many people will accept it too. Nobody on good behavior has anything to hide. 🐑☁📹
It's insane. I was having extreme issues with File Explorer and gave up for a moment and decided to just chill with a TH-cam video, yours showed up and the exact same issue. Insane!
I'm switching fully to Linux. This was the final straw for me...
They wouldn’t put all that time an energy into developing a “feature” like this, with everything they’ve invested into OpenAI, just to go “Oops, nevermind!” and walk Recall back entirely the first time it was announced due to backlash.
I actually think they will go through with this myself, they clearly dont care about the enthusiast market anymore. a decision like this means they want that sweet sweet juicy data from the "average person" . so they can directly target advertisements to the midwits that ads actually work on. its a win for them in literally every way. (because you KNOW this will have a way to shove ads in your face). the amount of training data there is what they really want, which I suppose I understand, I just wish they were not so evil about it.
@@mrrooter601bill Gates involved…this is more than just targeted marketing….
100% Microsoft and NSA are working together
They are. PRISM.
This will be a hackers dream. They are handing every single bit of info about you that you have ever had over to hackers on a silver platter.
It's not mandatory for me. I'm not upgrading.
I'm about to stop dual booting all together
Same. It was fine for the transition period, but I haven't touched Windows in months.
I don't usually follow anything about tech but this popped up in my feed, so your commenting for the algorithm is working! Here's one more.
You know, I was sitting there getting annoyed with little things with Linux. I just switched a few weeks ago, and was thinking of dual booting windows just to ease my headaches.
Now, I'm sticking to Linux, not dealing with this
It's vital that the police can check exactly what you've been doing on your computer to keep you safe. If you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear unless they retrospectively outlaw what you did.
Retroactively*
We need some big name attorney to go back and find the adds that said windows 10 is the last operating system you will need, and they file a lawsuit that forces Microsoft to support windows 10 till at least the year 2050. I am staying on Win 10 as long as I can. I just upgraded my PC and transferred my drives so I didn't have to go to 11.
This is it folks, time to leave windows behind.
*im my own master now starts playing*
@@mrrooter601 “Hear me howl, time to leave them all behind, I’m my own master now.”
Whenever AutoDesk, SolidWorks, and AAA game devs want to stop only developing for Windows and start focusing more on Linux… that would be awesome. Perhaps Microsoft knows most of humanity is trapped on Windows for the foreseeable future because of some dependencies, libraries, or kernel-level anti-cheat software that can’t run on Linux (yet), even with WINE.
And Microsoft, which is in fact a US government contractor, is more than happy to help out US law enforcement with this kind of feature… I wonder if the prices of street drugs are gonna skyrocket in a couple years because this feature will help law enforcement catch a whole bunch of non-tech-savvy dealers out there.
Wrong companies follow the money, Microsoft knows that the users are addicted to the products and some for work puroses depend on them. Gamers could go to Linux or Mac over night and within a year all those game companies would release for those platforms to avoid going under. Work is another story entirely but in the end, collectivly users always had the power but dont want to deal with huge inconvience of the transitional period. As long as the money flowing , from a companies point of view their is aboslutly no reason to go to linux or anything else. People can cry all day, only their actions have any meaning.
Welcome to Linux.
Chris forgot to mention you might also want to open the group policy editor and navigate to administrative templates >> windows components >> windows AI and enable the policy there to disable recall (there will be 1 or 2 policies there, depending on the PC, 1 is for turning snapshots off the other is for turning off using AI to analyze user data).
I can't believe anyone would believe even for a second when they said it wouldn't be mandatory. Imagine the massive amount of data this could give them access to, there's simply no way they'd give up on that.
But when you said it was a dependency for FILE EXPLORER of ALL THINGS, I laughed from the shock. They're really trying their hardest to advertise Linux and Mac
There are alternative file manages such as file voyager, but I'm not sure how to set them up as a replacement.
@@Ness_and_Sonic The point is that the majority of people won't take the time to research how to get rid these predatory types of software. Microsoft knows that. It's free data for them.
I'm thinking maybe it wasn't Microsoft who suddenly decided to make it mandatory... It almost sounds like a government department pressured them into coming up with an excuse to make it mandatory, and also a back door please.
@@tin2001 Why do you think that?
@@tin2001 I wouldn't put it Microsoft as this isn't the first time they did something like this. Gamers might remember the Xbox One's launch and how they bundled the Kinect with it even though it didn't need it. They also tried to undermine the second hand market as well. Anyway, if it's anyone is the US Government asking them for this, I'd say Microsoft should have blown the whistle on them instead of complying like cowards.
I wonder how the legality of this will play out. I have a feeling like this will be a problem in Germany for instance.
Agreed. I think EU laws will pose a problem for Microsoft. Look at Apple's latest OS, the built in AI stuff is not available in the EU (not yet anyway).
Click wrap EULA's.... everytime. "You agreed by using the os...."
@@youtubasoarusEULAs can not circumvent fundamental laws.
@@Erowens98 EULAs also have no legal standing if you need to accept it after you bought something
@@Erowens98 More people need to understand this. This is why every single contract has a clause in it that says something to the effect of "if any part of this contract is found to be legally void, the remaining contract stands, as long as it isn't also legally void." Because lawyers make mistakes, and sometimes they include illegal terms.
I do have a question. Since recall depends upon contacting MS to relay it's sleuthing/spying results, why can't a person go to their router's firewall and simply block any access to that or those addresses? That would fully kill it's operation. MS doesn't say that in order to use Win 11, you have to be connected to the Internet (even though you would be, but not to their servers).
If removing Recall, and the file explorer will still functioning without new look, I still willing to take the trade. I really do wish remove Recall and Edge can be added as a toggle.
Edit:
After testing microwin 24.09.12, with recall stripped out, even new windows update after clean installed, recall is added again.
Microsoft loves 3 letter agencies.
but it worships DEI.
If you think those agencies aren't balls deep in every other OS / network vendor as well, I have a bridge to sell you.
@@algernopkrieger138 show me any time a secret backdoor was discovered in a community-run linux distro
@@thezipcreator In October 2019, a potential secret backdoor was discovered in the popular Linux distribution Alpine Linux by security researcher Thomas Jarosch. The issue was related to an outdated version of libseccomp that contained a known vulnerability (CVE-2018-17185). This vulnerability could potentially allow an attacker to escalate their privileges and gain control over the system. Alpine Linux’s maintainers promptly released updates to address this issue, but it raised concerns about community-run distributions having inadequate security measures in place.
@@thezipcreator the XZ backdoor is the most recent that found its way into a boatload of distros. that backdoor was fortunately (and accidentally) caught early, but who knows what else is lurking out there?
- Create an OS called windows
- Make it the most best OS ever
- Make it popular and gain millions of dollars
- Start making shitty updates and add lots of bloatware to the OS
- Inject spyware that’s deep into your system
- Force everyone to use shit they don’t want to use
Oh god this is cortana all over again
She died
But worse way way worse
More like the Clipper chip.
Way worse.
At least Cortana was an assistant with a cool name from Halo, this is just literally spyware.
It's about time for MANDATORY prison for more than a few people involved with Windows..
So authoritarianism?
@@BenState Call it whatever you want. So long as it gets results.
Corporations and the people in power need to be held accountable.
@@BenState 'So authoritarianism?'
Punishing criminals who take knowing illegal actions is not 'authoritarianism'.
Go back to school, try to learn what the words actually mean this time.
@@ModelLights what illegality exactly?
@@ModelLights still waiting. what illegality?
The recent update broke our mapped network connection to our server machine with PC that have a windows email login. Meaning local installs still work. Jesus what a hassle.
@0:55 the future of any Windows user should be focusing on an alternative Operating System
Since half of everything is browser based now, Linux is entirely tolerable even for the most normie of normies
@@idrathernot_2 for the average user at home? yes
for a lot of work stuff (non IT)? no
No. Linux sux
@@steamer1What you really mean is you aren't smart enough to use Linux.😉
@@daledoe-baggins Much smarter than you. I guarantee it. Linux is shite!
Right before you say "that should alarm a lot of people" my first thought was "That's alarming" lol
Microsoft should *Recall* there product & start making a normal OS.
This has been the goal since the beginning.
*their product
I'm done with MS. Been a MS guy forever, tinkered with Linux for years but never stuck. Switched to Linux Mint a few weeks ago and planning to make it permanent. I'm now fully committed to learning to live with a different environment. Thanks MS support, patch team, marketing, product management for making the decision for me!
Congratulations! How has your experience been thus far?
@@JeanTheron-cf8zlCan't speak for them specifically, but honestly? If you understand computers and how to Google you'll have no problems with Linux, although i personally use Fedora
noice, same for me pretty much though its on a separate pc for now. ive used mostly ubuntu (as well as headless) and raspbian, mint has been far better in basically every way. though I might end up going with arch when I make the real swap from 10 sometime next year. If only because valve is directly supporting it and fixing the issues with wayland. I highly recommend using AI as a tool to make your linux experience better, (while also not giving it screenshots of everything you do) claude and gpt are absolutely amazing at troubleshooting and walking you through complicated stuff, especially with the command line. just copy pasting an error with some context and you will usually end up with a fix for very little effort.
@@mrrooter601 Don’t forget to leave as many other MS products as you can too: GitHub, Sponsors, Copilot, VS Code, Codespaces, Azure, npm, Teams, Outlook, & LinkedIn
@@JeanTheron-cf8zl It has been mostly fine! Probably 90% of what I do is in a browser so it doesn't take much lol
I build my own machines and had loved endlessly tweaking and tinkering but stopped gaming over a decade ago so not much need to faff with hardware or game compatibility problems/optimizations (yet).
The one issue that's a slight irk is I use a TV for a monitor (43" ips, 4x1080p screens for work productivity yay!) and it doesn't like 4k@60Hz. Tried a bunch of tweaks and can force it but there are flickering pixels so I went back to 30Hz.
That other 10% I'll deal with when it comes up. Things like 3d printing/modeling, video and image editing, local media streaming/sharing. I feel pretty confident those can all be done with a small amount of effort.
I have W10 on a dual-boot system and after a forced update I noticed the Co-Pilot icon in my task bar. My knee-jerk reaction was to uninstall it immediately. It doesn't seem to have negatively affected my system, but who knows if uninstalling actually gets rid of it?
Thanks Removed it went back to 10 LTSC
Soon, I'll have to watch "Total Recall" again, with Arnold. Thanks, Microsoft. 😮
Arnold is mandatory.
Jump lists have been around for a long time.
If you really want to disable them, you can do it using the Group Policy Editor.
I asked Co-Pilot what would happen ...
Disabling tracking in Group Policy can affect the Recall feature on Windows 11. Recall relies on tracking user activity to save snapshots and help you find content using natural language2, If tracking is disabled, Recall won't be able to save these snapshots, effectively hobbling the feature.
Microsoft wants to become Skynet like a cry baby. Then let it be that way. We will move on to Linux happily. Thanks you Chris we can stop major updates and just stick security update. My work place PC is still on Win 11 23H2 with your win utility tweak tools magic.
Looks like it's time for me as well to go back to Linux and just run Windblows in VM isolated from everything for apps I still need that are Windblows only. A better option would be to have a second computer completely disconnected from the internet for it.
Nope, I love my Windows 10
haha, we won't move away from Windows
we'll pirate a cleaner version instead
@@markusTegelane If Recall is deeply imbeded into File Explorer (which it probably is), even a pirated install won't help.
@@markusTegelane Ah yes a pirated version bundled with keyloggers, ransomware and spyware on top of the Microsoft spyware, it sounds amazing and so secure!
All the hoops a Windows poweruser has to jump through and over nowadays after each feature update, just to get the grip back on their OS, it amazes me more and more. GL to all you Windows powerusers!
At one point it's going to be easier to learn Linux, where a few terminal commands are needed from time to time to keep it running smoothly.
@@ereinaudactually the commands may be needed when you first set everything up then it's smooth sailings for years unless you hit a big update. Even small updates are that big a deal on distros like Fedora (which seems kind of rolling distro with how fast they phase out releases)
It sucks, Windows doesn't really need to suck that much but Microsoft just keeps crippling it and bloating it. It's a shame really and I say that as a long time Linux user.
@@ereinaud It already is easier on linux.
@@ereinaud At some point, Windows will require more terminal fuckery than Linux, not to mention the goddamn registry. It really will be fascinating to watch that happen.
I cannot imagine businesses and governments keeping the feature around... I expect some will try to port those tweaks from Enterprise versions into Pro
We all know what in the world "Microsoft is doing on that back end"
Its no longer a window to the world, it has now been turned to a window in to our privacy.
all we gotta do is send the same one terabyte file every time it tries to take a screenshot
Eventually they will have a real-time window into all of our PCs so that any three-letter agency can see what you're doing at any time to make sure you're not a criminal.
We need to have a right to privacy
And then just observe said criminals and do inaction
Imagine if said data got it's three letter agencies backdoors found
Pretty sure they've had that for years now.
And make sure you have the correct political opinions
@@deadturret4049the NSA's PRISM program... Microsoft was part of it.
"They hated it, so we baked it in!" -Micro$oft
Chris, are you going to post an update to this given the new information on the linked Github repo that contradicts the findings here?
They thought we only think we don't want recall, so made it mandatory
I built my new PC last month and made a lot of research about Win11, I made a striped down version of it (custome unattend.xml file) , customized the explorer and even turned off windows update 2 days ago because I had enough of Edge re-downloading and auto-installing itself (1.5 Gigs of wasted space) and I just don't want it on my system. Will update Defender manually.
So yeah, I'm not happy with Microsoft and they're sh*t and having to fight them is getting tiresome.
Yeah the only long lasting problem is Edge reinstalling every time WU runs (22 hours cycle). I don't really remember how I was able to stop Edge permanently from coming back even when I had Edge WebView, since I tried many combinations of known ways and some modifications of WU to stop it, while also not breaking WebView, but it is possible. It is just tricky to do so.
Might be a silly question, but how do you go about manually updating MS defender?
is there a way to reverse this by uninstalling Recall, taking the File Explorer from 23H2 and reinserting it back into 24h2? This way tabs would still be there but not Recall? So tired of people,gov't, and computers telling me what I want and need. My theory is... My Computer, My Rules
Time to ditch windows.
Been time to ditch windows since windows 10 bro.
Mac OS Time!
@@Mr.QuantumC0re Na Linux for me.
@@Mr.QuantumC0re macos 🤮 macos = crapple
@@Standarduser-m6o Na Unix for me :3