The ramp soak function will automatically change the set temp based on your temp difference and timer between steps. If your reading temp is above your set temp, there should be no call for heat. If your heater is very powerful, there might be some overshoort. Two tips you can probably try 1) if 500F is your most important control temp in your profile, you can run auto-tune at 500F. 2). You can reduce your OUTH value to reduce your max heater output power. If neither works, please contact Auber tech support directly for help: info@auberins.com
Another serious question how do you archive a ramp down at a specific time If the kiln system and the ssr turns off if the PV is higher than the SV. It seems that the kiln cools down by it self not by Pid
This controller is considered as a single channel controller and it uses its main output to drive heating element(s). So typically it uses natural cooling down (no heat). If you like, you can still use one of its alarm output to drive a cooling device and force turn on the alarm when you need it.
Dear customer, SSR will get warm/hot during the operation. It is related to the current passed through the SSR. For 6A or higher, you have to use a heat sink together with the SSR to dissipate the heat. Otherwise the heat generated from the SSR will damage the SSR itself in a very short time. I checked your model number "SSR-40 DA " and it could be made by Fotek. Please be aware that there are many counterfeit Fotek SSRs on the market. Please confirm your SSR is a genuine one.
After your programme settings are done & the controller says stop, how do you get it back to normal temperature monitoring? Or how do I get it heating up adjusting it as needed.
When the controller is out of the settings mode, the top display (PV) will show the reading temperature. If the bottom display shows STOP, it means the program is stopped or ended. To run the program, hold the down arrow key for 2s. Please see the quick key function guide here: www.auberins.com/images/Manual/Quick_list_23x2.pdf
I think you are confused? Soaking or holding means the temp stays put. A ranp is a rate of increased temp over time. Your programming looks like its just jumping from one hold to the next with no control of the rate of climb (such as 108f°/hr or 27°/hr).. the t values on this dont seem to differentiate that and are only hold times. Where is the ramp value programmed?
Yes, this concept could be confusing. Here is an example. If C01 is the same as C02, this step is considered as soak step (no temp change). t01 is the soak timer. If C01 is different than C02, this step is considered as a ramp soak (either ramp up or down, depends on which value is larger). t01 will be the ramp timer. For a ramp step, start temp, end temp and duration time are all defined, so the ramp rate is decided. If you still have questions, please contact Auber customer support.
At 1:54 on the bottom of the sreeen is it says, "Special command -121 will turn off all output and stand by step 1 until operature r????" What does the rest of that sentence say please? It's covered up by the white paper under it.
Sorry for the mistake. Special command -121 will turn off its main output, and the program will jump back to step 1 & stop there. The display will show "STOP". The program can be restarted if you hold the down arrow keys for about 2s.
This controller can program up to 30 steps. You cannot directly store multiple programs in this controller. But there are some walkaround solutions. For example, you can use first step as a selection command, then use step 2-10 as your program #1, step 11-20 as your program #2. This controller does not have computer access, so you need to use its keypad to input and change its program. We also offer some other ramp soak models with RS485 computer access. For comparison, please find here. www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=55
I'm trying to set up my PID for heating and cooling (Figure 9 in the manual) for a water bath. I need to follow a heat curve where the heater is ramped from 73F to 190F at a linear rate over a 200 min period. Then the heater will need to be held constant at 190F for 720 minutes. Then the bath will need to cool (via fan) from 190F to 73F at a linear rate over a 200 min period. I'm struggling to get the cooling (fan) on the relay to work. Can you help me with the programming and parameter settings? Thank you in advance!
Dear customer, this controller only has one main output with ramp soak feature. Its two alarm outputs (AL1, AL2) don't have ramp soak feature. Both alarm outputs only have ON/OFF control, or manually turn on/off by the special command. You can set this controller's main output as heating mode, or cooling mode, but not both at the same time. By your requirement, you can use the main output of this controller to drive your heater (as heating mode) and complete its first 200 min period. For your 2nd period, you cannot use its main output to drive your fan at the same time. You can still use its heater to regulate as your program (natural cooling is used), and use this fan as high temperature alarm. Or you can use special command to force turn on your fan for the 2nd 720 minutes step. If you want to regulate the fan by ramp soak step, you need to use two PID controller setups.
It is hard to find one PID controller with two main outputs. For high precision water bath application, one solution is, both heat and cool are ON at the same time. Cool is always ON and you use a controller to control the heat to regulate at your target temperature, or vice versa.
@@auberinc3934 Understood. What's the "special command" to force turn on the fan? Shouldn't I be able to have the fan turn on when a temperature deviation high is exceeded? I'm struggling to figure out the parameters and steps inputs required for my particular application. Thank you in advance
@@actives5 For special command feature, please see page 8, section 6.2.9 of SYL-2352P's manual for details. You can force to turn on the alarm output on specific steps, not by temperature. Your suggested way may also work. You can set derivation high alarm to your fan. So when your reading temperature is over your set temperature (ramp down steps), your fan will be ON. By default, derivation high alarm is set to AL2 relay. You can set Hy-1 to be a small number like 1 degree. For derivation high alarm settings, please see page 3, section 5.3.1 for its calculation formulas. If you still have questions, please contact Auber customer support for help: info AT auberins.com
Can the deviation alarms be useful if the thermocouple is faulty and reading inaccurate temperatures? say you ramp up from ambient to 400, but the thermocouple is broken and won't read above ambient, so the heater is turned on indefinitely. can you use the deviation high alarm to turn on the alarm relay and notify you of the fault?
Yes, you can try derivation alarm in that case. In your case, you may need to use derivation low alarm instead. Derivation alarm is used when the reading temperature is far over/below your set temperature. Indeed it can be caused by the faulty thermocouple. But it could be also be caused by your heater issue. If the thermocouple is bad (open or short), this controller will show error ORAL all the time and stop its output. If the thermocouple is reading significantly lower than it should be, there could be a short somewhere on its cable and you need to replace it.
That's a good feature actually because I've had other controllers continue to supply current to the SSR after the TC has failed, resulting in a burnt-out kiln!
Well, this question cannot be easily answered in the comment here. Generally speaking, you need to connect this controller to a relay, then connect this relay to the element in your kiln directly. If you haven't checked its manual, I recommended you to check its manual at first. You can find pin assignment and wiring examples there. Here is the manual for SYL-2352P: bit.ly/2352p
Sorry, your question is not clear to me. This controller requries 110-220V AC power supply to power up. 9V cannot power up this controller. This controller doesn't provide 9V output supply terminal neither. If you want to drive 9V loads, yes, you need an external 9V power supply.
@@zeroswings2 To drive an external SSR, you need to use model SYL-2352P variation. That model has 12V DC SSR output, and it can drive your DC triggered SSR directly without external power supply.
@@auberintruments thank you... I'm looking into trying to find a model which has availability of inputs from thermocouples of multiple types as well as maybe a 2nd ssr to power on a fan to either circulate heat from an element or provide cooling... currently looking at CN08D3-RR-24-CM-DC but I'm open to any suggestions... thanks again...
@@zeroswings2 SYL-2352P can read a variety of thermocouple types. Please check its manaul for details. But this controller is a single channel temperature controller and it can only read one sensor at one time. This controller has one SSR output as its main output and two alarm relay outputs. For your case, you can use its SSR output to drive a heater and one high temperature alarm to drive a fan. By the model number CN08D3 is from Omega. Unfortunately, we are not familiar with that model.
@@NancyCase-ht9bl OUT indicator is synchronized with the SSR output. If OUT is OFF, there will be no output. Please double check your ramp soak program. You can find the programming examples in the last several pages in its manual. This video can also give you some ideas. If you still have difficulties, please contact Auber customer support directly. www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=contact_us
@@NancyCase-ht9bl This question is not easy to answer. Here are some examples to cause OUT indicator OFF: 1) if your program is stopped (SV flashes STOP), the OUT will be OFF. 2) If your ramp soak program is wrong, such as your PV is over your SV, OUT will be OFF 3). Wrong parameters. if your set OUTH to 0, there will be no output. Or if you set the controller under cooling mode, there will be no output even your SV is over your PV. 4) if your controller cannot read the proper reading from your sensor, such as error ORAL on the top display, there will be no output. Again, when OUT is OFF, there will be no output so it cannot turn on your SSR.
Awesome. I needed this two years ago. Will watch again.
Hello why temperature ramp time is not accurate. I set it to ramp to 500 degrees at 10 mins and sometimes it reaches there before 10min or above that.
The ramp soak function will automatically change the set temp based on your temp difference and timer between steps. If your reading temp is above your set temp, there should be no call for heat. If your heater is very powerful, there might be some overshoort. Two tips you can probably try 1) if 500F is your most important control temp in your profile, you can run auto-tune at 500F. 2). You can reduce your OUTH value to reduce your max heater output power. If neither works, please contact Auber tech support directly for help: info@auberins.com
Another serious question how do you archive a ramp down at a specific time If the kiln system and the ssr turns off if the PV is higher than the SV. It seems that the kiln cools down by it self not by Pid
This controller is considered as a single channel controller and it uses its main output to drive heating element(s). So typically it uses natural cooling down (no heat). If you like, you can still use one of its alarm output to drive a cooling device and force turn on the alarm when you need it.
Tank you for this video.
I a question why the SSR get so hot that burn to he touch?
I am using SSR-40 DA with only120v!
Dear customer, SSR will get warm/hot during the operation. It is related to the current passed through the SSR. For 6A or higher, you have to use a heat sink together with the SSR to dissipate the heat. Otherwise the heat generated from the SSR will damage the SSR itself in a very short time. I checked your model number "SSR-40 DA " and it could be made by Fotek. Please be aware that there are many counterfeit Fotek SSRs on the market. Please confirm your SSR is a genuine one.
After your programme settings are done & the controller says stop, how do you get it back to normal temperature monitoring? Or how do I get it heating up adjusting it as needed.
When the controller is out of the settings mode, the top display (PV) will show the reading temperature. If the bottom display shows STOP, it means the program is stopped or ended. To run the program, hold the down arrow key for 2s. Please see the quick key function guide here: www.auberins.com/images/Manual/Quick_list_23x2.pdf
I think you are confused? Soaking or holding means the temp stays put. A ranp is a rate of increased temp over time. Your programming looks like its just jumping from one hold to the next with no control of the rate of climb (such as 108f°/hr or 27°/hr).. the t values on this dont seem to differentiate that and are only hold times. Where is the ramp value programmed?
Yes, this concept could be confusing. Here is an example. If C01 is the same as C02, this step is considered as soak step (no temp change). t01 is the soak timer. If C01 is different than C02, this step is considered as a ramp soak (either ramp up or down, depends on which value is larger). t01 will be the ramp timer. For a ramp step, start temp, end temp and duration time are all defined, so the ramp rate is decided. If you still have questions, please contact Auber customer support.
At 1:54 on the bottom of the sreeen is it says, "Special command -121 will turn off all output and stand by step 1 until operature r????" What does the rest of that sentence say please? It's covered up by the white paper under it.
Sorry for the mistake. Special command -121 will turn off its main output, and the program will jump back to step 1 & stop there. The display will show "STOP". The program can be restarted if you hold the down arrow keys for about 2s.
Thanks :)
Can you save programs and then directly select the program used with this product ?
This controller can program up to 30 steps. You cannot directly store multiple programs in this controller. But there are some walkaround solutions. For example, you can use first step as a selection command, then use step 2-10 as your program #1, step 11-20 as your program #2. This controller does not have computer access, so you need to use its keypad to input and change its program. We also offer some other ramp soak models with RS485 computer access. For comparison, please find here. www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=55
I'm trying to set up my PID for heating and cooling (Figure 9 in the manual) for a water bath. I need to follow a heat curve where the heater is ramped from 73F to 190F at a linear rate over a 200 min period. Then the heater will need to be held constant at 190F for 720 minutes. Then the bath will need to cool (via fan) from 190F to 73F at a linear rate over a 200 min period. I'm struggling to get the cooling (fan) on the relay to work. Can you help me with the programming and parameter settings?
Thank you in advance!
Dear customer, this controller only has one main output with ramp soak feature. Its two alarm outputs (AL1, AL2) don't have ramp soak feature. Both alarm outputs only have ON/OFF control, or manually turn on/off by the special command. You can set this controller's main output as heating mode, or cooling mode, but not both at the same time. By your requirement, you can use the main output of this controller to drive your heater (as heating mode) and complete its first 200 min period. For your 2nd period, you cannot use its main output to drive your fan at the same time. You can still use its heater to regulate as your program (natural cooling is used), and use this fan as high temperature alarm. Or you can use special command to force turn on your fan for the 2nd 720 minutes step. If you want to regulate the fan by ramp soak step, you need to use two PID controller setups.
It is hard to find one PID controller with two main outputs. For high precision water bath application, one solution is, both heat and cool are ON at the same time. Cool is always ON and you use a controller to control the heat to regulate at your target temperature, or vice versa.
@@auberinc3934 Understood. What's the "special command" to force turn on the fan? Shouldn't I be able to have the fan turn on when a temperature deviation high is exceeded? I'm struggling to figure out the parameters and steps inputs required for my particular application.
Thank you in advance
@@actives5 For special command feature, please see page 8, section 6.2.9 of SYL-2352P's manual for details. You can force to turn on the alarm output on specific steps, not by temperature. Your suggested way may also work. You can set derivation high alarm to your fan. So when your reading temperature is over your set temperature (ramp down steps), your fan will be ON. By default, derivation high alarm is set to AL2 relay. You can set Hy-1 to be a small number like 1 degree. For derivation high alarm settings, please see page 3, section 5.3.1 for its calculation formulas. If you still have questions, please contact Auber customer support for help: info AT auberins.com
Can the deviation alarms be useful if the thermocouple is faulty and reading inaccurate temperatures? say you ramp up from ambient to 400, but the thermocouple is broken and won't read above ambient, so the heater is turned on indefinitely. can you use the deviation high alarm to turn on the alarm relay and notify you of the fault?
Yes, you can try derivation alarm in that case. In your case, you may need to use derivation low alarm instead. Derivation alarm is used when the reading temperature is far over/below your set temperature. Indeed it can be caused by the faulty thermocouple. But it could be also be caused by your heater issue.
If the thermocouple is bad (open or short), this controller will show error ORAL all the time and stop its output. If the thermocouple is reading significantly lower than it should be, there could be a short somewhere on its cable and you need to replace it.
@@auberintruments thank you that was extremely helpful
That's a good feature actually because I've had other controllers continue to supply current to the SSR after the TC has failed, resulting in a burnt-out kiln!
@@6rw1b Thanks for the info! I thought I might've been being a bit too pedantic, but it sounds like it will be a good feature.
Hai,how do you connect this for a kiln?
Well, this question cannot be easily answered in the comment here. Generally speaking, you need to connect this controller to a relay, then connect this relay to the element in your kiln directly. If you haven't checked its manual, I recommended you to check its manual at first. You can find pin assignment and wiring examples there. Here is the manual for SYL-2352P: bit.ly/2352p
does this version come w/the 9v power supply or does it have to be wired separately?
Sorry, your question is not clear to me. This controller requries 110-220V AC power supply to power up. 9V cannot power up this controller. This controller doesn't provide 9V output supply terminal neither. If you want to drive 9V loads, yes, you need an external 9V power supply.
@@auberintruments what I meant was for a Solid State Relay... but you answered the question... (it doesnt supply power) sorry I wasn't more clear
@@zeroswings2 To drive an external SSR, you need to use model SYL-2352P variation. That model has 12V DC SSR output, and it can drive your DC triggered SSR directly without external power supply.
@@auberintruments
thank you... I'm looking into trying to find a model which has availability of inputs from thermocouples of multiple types as well as maybe a 2nd ssr to power on a fan to either circulate heat from an element or provide cooling... currently looking at CN08D3-RR-24-CM-DC but I'm open to any suggestions... thanks again...
@@zeroswings2 SYL-2352P can read a variety of thermocouple types. Please check its manaul for details. But this controller is a single channel temperature controller and it can only read one sensor at one time. This controller has one SSR output as its main output and two alarm relay outputs. For your case, you can use its SSR output to drive a heater and one high temperature alarm to drive a fan. By the model number CN08D3 is from Omega. Unfortunately, we are not familiar with that model.
Why my output is always off and pin 7 and 8 has no power
What is your PID model number? SYL-2342P or SYL-2352P? Was the OUT light on the front solid ON when you measured the output?
@@auberintruments I have the syl-2352p and the out light is not solid on neither blinking
@@NancyCase-ht9bl OUT indicator is synchronized with the SSR output. If OUT is OFF, there will be no output. Please double check your ramp soak program. You can find the programming examples in the last several pages in its manual. This video can also give you some ideas. If you still have difficulties, please contact Auber customer support directly. www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=contact_us
@@auberintrumentswhat makes the output light on? and why do I have to check my ramp and soak problem if I can’t even turn on my ssr
@@NancyCase-ht9bl This question is not easy to answer. Here are some examples to cause OUT indicator OFF: 1) if your program is stopped (SV flashes STOP), the OUT will be OFF. 2) If your ramp soak program is wrong, such as your PV is over your SV, OUT will be OFF 3). Wrong parameters. if your set OUTH to 0, there will be no output. Or if you set the controller under cooling mode, there will be no output even your SV is over your PV. 4) if your controller cannot read the proper reading from your sensor, such as error ORAL on the top display, there will be no output. Again, when OUT is OFF, there will be no output so it cannot turn on your SSR.