More Spira and Kastrup together please. 🙏🏼 The content is so profound wise and well articulated. And the interaction between Spira and Kastrup is a pure expression of love and respect.So whats not to like 🥰
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Sooo grateful for part2 Rupert and Bernardo are like wood and fire for each other. Please we need more of these precise talks, their talks always nourishe my soul and awaken my heart. We are sooo lucky and blessed to witness these meetings 🤍 Thank You so much Simon for arranging these meetings 🙏🏼
I so appreciate Bernardo admitting that he's not had the experience of unity, but that he has the conceptual understanding of unity... which helps him to live his truth. This I see as extremely important because so many of us on this path feel disheartened when that feeling of unity eludes us.
I believe that in at least one talk he mentioned that he has had several 15 minute psychedelic assisted experiences of unity. That would be the God molecule, which, although illegal in the US, is available to everyone. 🐸
@@jacha1474 I don't think it was LSD. He said it was a 15 minute (by the clock) experience. That is how long DMT lasts. If he saw God, he probably ingested the God molecule. 🐸
@@jacha1474 I don't think it was LSD. He said the experience lasted 15 minutes. DMT experiences last 15 minutes or so. If he saw God, he probably ingested the God molecule.
@@michaelg1569 You might be right. He only mentioned taking "high dose psychedelics," not specifically LSD. And DMT experiences does model NDE's so, that could possible be.
The political talk at the half hour mark was a little jarring to be honest. I could see the hesitancy in the interviewer and his nervousness was well placed. The seeds of the conflict were sown 30-40 years ago. This "take" by Rupert and Bernardo (and I like them very much and have Bernardos books) was very very simplistic and made me think that when Rupert is not meditating he is getting his "news" from the BBC CNN et al. Now that I have that off my chest I will go back to listening to rest of the conversation that I so enjoyed in part 1.
seeds of the conflict were sown centuries ago, as ruZZia, in its all iterations, seeks to invade and conquer its neighbours, steal their resources, and replace their population with their own genes. what is discussion of reality and us within it worth if we can't address the burning issues of our time?
Bernardo’s point about the mystery is well taken. The fact that infinite mind does not metacognize its own movement but is pure, omniscient, subjectivity is indeed a mystery. Wonderful conversation. These two men are much closer in their views than I had thought. I love it because I admire them both and am amazed at how they come to the same or very similar views coming from radically different approaches. Thank you!!
Tears started pouring from my eyes out Gratitude in the end of the conversation. Indeed what a privilege to listen to such a conversation. Thank you so much 🙏🏼
Love Ruperts analogy of the dish-cloth as representation of our "beingness" having become absorbed by thoughts and feelings until simply our awareness of it starts to "clean up"and purify with the realization that what we really are is not the cloth itself but the ever present pure luminous light that is constantly shining through us and it is that which permeates through every cell and every living thing and no one is ever really stained but always pure consciousness 🙏💗🙏
Somehow encouraging to see that Rupert and Bernardo are not immune to the corporate media brainwashing. Certainly, that they see their shared being with whoever is being portrayed as a villain is the most important thing.
@@Misslotusification Encouraging. It honestly seems to me that enlightenment is easier than getting to the "political truth" of what's happening on earth. No need, then, to alert the unwilling masses, as it were. Seek enlightenment and let God take care of the rest.
I'm a bit sobered that Rupert, too, is taken in by the one-sidedness of media and political proclamations and doesn't succeed in allowing himself to see things as well from East to West. Every perspective has its truth.
How strange that pro-Putin n propaganda is working so well on you. The corporate media is no paradigm of truth, but to then decide that every single thing they say must de facto be the opposite of truth is… foolish.
Russia straddles both East and West. Her people share a unity and commitment to the whole which is the eastern mindset. The West has this ideal of one's individuality and has therefore fallen into greed, corruption etc.
I started off being very intellectually driven, watching the TOE podcast and discovered both Bernardo, Rupert and others who were all seemingly saying the same thing with different words. Bernardo gave me the not only the insight what and that I had been missing something in my world view but also courage to explore it which lead me to Rupert who gave me the tools and the understanding to explore and develop the part of me and my world view that had been missing. I want to extend my deepest gratitude for enabling me and others to access and actualize these teachings and insights. Thank you.
One of my favourite quotes in this wonderful discussion is from Barnardo at about 40.00: 'My life is bursting at the seams with meaning because it's not about me'. So true but so contrary to the way most people live their lives; always aiming to improve and aiming at the horizon. Who is the aimer and where is the horizon? In fact the horizon is here and the separate self is an illusion. As Krishnamurti said; 'Happy is the man who is nothing'.
Rupert is a wise and balanced Being, always with clear and profound words, which give me "oxygen" to dive into the deep ocean of non-duality, I can use his teachings as a wetsuit. Bernardo is a true philosopher who seeks the essence of existence. Thank you for sharing with us.
@@alisonsalter8352 so you're saying if one has thoughts one can't have God? I'd rather be godless than thoughtless...thoughts are what makes us human. Also...you had the thought about God and thoughts...so are you godless? I suspect you're mostly thoughtless.
@@markupton1417 what os meant is 'full of thoughts based on the illusory separate self. A period apent with no thoughts is highly recommended...that is a pwriod abiding as pure consciousness. This just happens naturally of you allow it. Then thoughts return, but they are not on behalf of the separate self, but eather as a rexognitinthat they come from god/pure consciousness.
In Bagavadgita, Lord Krishna talks to the hesitation and personal turmoil of Arjuna about his role as a leader in tribal war. Lord Krishna, as I understand it, speaks of Arjuna's service to his darhma by surrendering to his calling in life or his life plan, without judging it or resisting it.
Rupert is becoming amazing at putting his understanding of the World into words. ❤️ Amazing to see & very commendable. Words are a potent medium to share this understanding, but I find this understanding insanely difficult to put into words myself. ^^ Rupert’s & other’s work helps me a lot in that endevour. ❤️ Experiencing this understanding yourself, through practices like meditation (or various other Dharana-style practices, including prayer) is one path to get to that understanding, but the breadth of influence of words, to share this understanding wider, can hardly be overstated. 🏆 With Love, from Slovenia ❤️
@@elektrotehnik94 Very well said! Rupert's ability to condense metaphysical concepts and the nature of awareness into clear and concise statements is second to none! Hope this understanding can penetrate into the everyday living of common people. It would truly change the world beyond imagination! Much love :)
I felt so moved to be listening to this conversation. Even though parts of it were beyond me, I could sense how deeply significant it is, and what a privilege it is to be able to listen to these two. Bernardo's analogy of the chess game is such a powerful way of visualizing how we are all one. I will be thinking about that analogy for a long time. Thank you so much for this amazing interview.
I just want to add something to Bernardo's closing statements about addictions. He noted eating meat but the real issue is not what is eaten, but eating in and of itself as food addiction in general. I was raised in a dominant vegetarian environment as a Seventh Day Adventist. And you can bet your butts that vegetarian food addiction is no different than addiction to eating meat. We had some holier than thou attitude about a superior health message. But when I looked around at the congregation of people, what I saw is a lot of people who are either way too fat or sickly looking skinny. The fat people were vegetarian food addicts and the frail people were malnourished in various ways. It's not a congregation of perfectly fit people with demonstrable superiority where weight and physical strength is concerned. People get the wrong idea a lot of the time about vegetarianism. It has its own "dark side." If not balanced correctly.
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What an incredible joy to witness this two spiritual and intellectual giant sharing their thoughts. Thank you 🙏
The best talk I've heard with Bernardo. I think Rupert brings out the real Bernardo and it's exactly what he needs. I'm looking forward to the day that it finally clicks and Bernardo realises he is more free than the vaste majority.
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
This conversation around the Ukraine issue points out nicely what happens when I think I know something (especially if the knowledge has been so profoundly proved by MSM;) Inevitably it ends up - or simply remains - in dualism. There's a good guy and there's a bad one ... and of course I belong to ones who take the so-much-better choices ...
@@Misslotusification I do not know anything ... I may attach a story/concept to a 'thing' ... but in truth it's totally un-knowable ... Love is unknowable.
That was the quite profoundly disappointing element of this conversation for me. Surely for ones whose lives are steeped in this understanding, the only truly non-dual response to any situation is one of love and vulnerability, not judgement and force. By that I mean, not weakness and inaction but the most powerful witness of passive resistance and peaceful, non-violent protest against the perpetration of violence. The only way to neutralise violence is to absorb it in the name of love, even at the expense of our own lives. To fight fire with fire is an age-old response which may seem to resolve a given situation but ultimately only sets us up for endless repetitions of the same. I think it was Henry Thoreau who said “Things do not change; we change.” If Rupert and Bernardo are still treading the well worn path of violent retaliation, I wonder if they’ve really changed at all and, if not, what is it that they hope to teach us?
War, conflicts, tension, stress = energy or duality! Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
@@mangelwurzel476 my understanding of that portion of their conversation is that once diplomacy and all other means of peacefully resolving conflict have been tried that in the name of Truth and Love sometimes force is required if the harmful activity of a person continues regardless.
" Awareness cannot exist with duality, and mind cannot exist without duality. Awareness is non-dual, and mind is dual. If you go outwards you will move into the world of duality. If you go inwards you will move into the world of non-duality; you will become non-polar. Enlightenment is the realization of the non-dual. When there is I, it creates thou. When there is I it creates duality, and all is lost in duality. When there is no I, then there is non-duality. Then you are one with existence, utterly one. Then you are nothing but a pulsation of existence itself, just a ripple in the lake of this infinite consciousness. If you are divided in two, into man and woman, negative/ positive, darkness/light, mind/heart, thought/feeling - if you are divided in two, your energy will be going downward. Division is the way of the downward. When you are undivided, one, you start moving upward. To be one is to move upward, to be two is to move downward. Duality is the way to hell, non-duality is the way to heaven. These are the two planes of humanity: duality, the plane of duality, what Hindus call DWAITA, the plane of two; and non-duality, the plane of one, the plane of the non-dual. When you are divided you are in this world; when you are undivided, you have transcended - you are no longer here, you have penetrated into the Beyond. Then boundaries meet and the boundaries meet in you. So the whole effort is how to become undivided, how to become one. This has to be the criterion whether you have reached the goal or not. If there is still something as its polar opposite, you have not reached; you are still in the duality. One can move from one duality to another duality; it does not make any change. One has to move from duality to non-duality, because non-duality is the ultimate. The ultimate has no opposite to it. It is the final synthesis where all opposites have melted into one, when male and female have melted into one. REMEMBER, when we use the word ‘oneness’, that too is part of duality. If there is no duality how can there be oneness? That’s why Hindus never use ‘oneness’. If you ask Shankara, “What is the nature of existence?” he says, “Non-dual, ADVAITA, not two.” He will never say one, because how can you say one? If there is only one, how can you say one? One needs two to be meaningful. If there is no possibility of the second, of the two, then what is the use of saying that it is one? Shankara says, “At the most, I can say not two, but I cannot say positively one. I can say what the reality is not: it is not two. I cannot say what it is, because meaning, words, all become useless.” Enlightenment simply means you disappear, you become the whole. There is no question of separation or no separation. There is no question of oneness, because even the word `oneness’ hides behind it twoness. What do you mean when you say oneness? - you mean twoness. The mystics have avoided using the word `oneness’, but you cannot. In the very nature of intellectual understanding you can go a little roundabout - and that’s what people like Shankara have done. They talk about non-duality, no-twoness; they don’t talk about oneness. They want to indicate oneness, but they don’t want to use the word `oneness’ because oneness points towards twoness. Enlightenment means the point from where you take a jump into the non-dual. Before that point is duality. Everything is divided. Language creates duality, language exists through duality. It cannot indicate the non-dual. If I say ‘day’, immediately I create night. If I say ‘life’, immediately I create death. If I say ‘good’, immediately bad is created. If I say ‘no’, just by the side of the no, yes is existing. Language can exist only through the opposite. That’s why we see life as always divided - God and devil. Drop language, drop this linguistic pattern. Once language is no more on your mind and you look directly into reality, day IS night. Suddenly you will start laughing at why you missed it so long! Day, every day turns into night; night turns into day every morning again, and you have been missing. Life is always turning into death, death always turns again into life, and you have been missing. They are not two, they are one whole. This is the non-dual, ADWAITA. This is the most essential religion."
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Rupert's, "reality is concealed by the world", has abruptly reminded me of the verses in the Bible, which say, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." Consciousness, the life of all, is hidden to the world, is my uninformed understanding!
I still remember as a five year old sitting on a warm summer day in the school yard and studying the catechism. The first question was: For what purpose was I created? The answer was: To know love and serve God. That resonated with my five-year old self and I totally agreed.
@@waldwassermann In other words, all the parts only seem like separate parts; whereas in fact, upon close inspections, they are revealed to all be one whole non-seperate Oneness/ “thing”. In other words, the “partness” we perceive is an illusion/ a false account. ❤️
@@elektrotehnik94 Correct. However. The final conclusion is that the origin of the "partness" is "oneness" not wanting to be alone hence the why the gospel of Love. It must be remembered that this "oneness" (which is all of us as one really) has an unfathomable intelligence (based on the 13.787±0.020 billion years the Planck data gives us). But I guarantee the purpose of Oneness (including but not limited to The World) is Companionship aka Love. It is only by veiling Oneself that Oneness can experience Companionship aka Love. And Companionship aka Love is what Oneness (it is OK to call it God or Christ) is all about hence why it is said that God is Love. No need to agree. Blessings.
@@geoffwalker5884 There is no creation nor destruction; all this is Self moving itself so not to be by itself. 1 Corinthians 13 1 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
Amazing attempt to put infinite consciousness in words! 1:15.00 one of the best description of reality I have heard. Interesting to watch Bernardo being influenced by Rupert’s words. Doesn’t go the other way. Very skillful of the narrator to give Bernardo the opportunity to regain his composure.
Another enlightening discussion from the two men I consider my main teachers. Coming to both of them and their teachings / ideas independently. To find out much later they have become friends and able cross the boundaries of each others field of study is wonderful. Thanks for marking this happens.
the understanding of who and what we all are is why we are here to learn and evolve in consciousness , i love Ruperts teachings, as he very often says, "know thyself," thankyou all for sharing 💗🙏💗
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
@@michaelg1569 I have in the past but I get more feedback if I respond to someone elses comment. Some of my comments do not show up after I post them which means that I am being blocked. Some of my comments do not show up unless I am logged on which means that only I can see them -- I am being censored. Some people get to see my comments but many do not.
These conversations are simply beautiful. Just listening to the respectful, wise and loving interchanges actually generates feelings of unity in me ( something I struggle with alot of the time). I have been in love with Rupert for a while but I have now fallen for Bernardo with his humility and Simon with his skill in teasing out the best from them both - and knowing exactly when to be quiet and just listen. Have to be honest though, Putin is still a stretch...
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
At 1.20 when discussing about what it feels to be universal consciousness , I'd say The experience the universal consciousness has of itself would be jthe same as our individual consciousness would be "I know I am, but I do not know what I am" This is such an incredible experience to listen to these 2 geniuses.
I am so disappointed in Bernardo and Ruppert’s view on politics in their dialogue on non-duality. Doing what they feel is needed with love is better than doing it without love. Your love on this occasion is still of the kind of egoic love. You do not include everything and you have a judgment that you feel is a superior power giving you the right to judge the level of consciousness of another country. In this instance, you seem to forget that Ukraine was engaged in killing the Russian in the Donbas for seven years and you have not uttered a single word this last seven years as something you find so impossible to come to terms with. The persecution of these people and the constant bombardment and killing that Ukraine's government engaged in were mostly silent. Russians have the right to their own spiritual survival. The ultra-liberalism of America is not for them and frankly, many people are starting to say no to it. Our leaders are not evolved enough to understand that their own ways of governing the world are not embraced by other evolving countries. These countries are facing their own issues with their own population and what is now arising in the world. We need a different kind of engagement. A government that can lead at the level of conscious understanding of evolutionary principles. And our place in it in a personal and collective way of being in the world- on this increasing surface of spiritual understanding. Bernardo, you seem to make your own understanding of what is happening about you, where you are at your level of consciousness and delivering a message where not all elements are included, negated, and transcended. Rupert is committing the same mistake. I so wish that people at your level of spiritual understanding will not commit this error. In love and peace.
@@joc4021 I agree. I have not often heard Rupert speak of politics in the way that he has in this video. No mention of Palestine or Yemen, American foreign policy or any of the other atrocities that are taking place. I was most surprised at the political stance of the both of them
@@zachdogar9590 So do I. The road to full self-realisation is not for the faint of heart. The method of include, negate and transcend must be very precise especially, when we start to sense a trans-egoic self wanting to express one's truer nature.
@@joc4021 I couldn't disagree more. You obviously don't know what your talking about. They hit the politics right on the button. My soul agreed with them 💯.
I have to say, it's interesting how we can be led to intensely dislike someone we have never met simply based on the media narratives that are fed to us. And something I keep coming back to is that really great spiritual people can also be very misinformed about the things going on in the world. Nevertheless, this conversation is gold
I fully agree with you! Really appreciate both of them and love their message but was almost a little shocked at how little nuanced they look at this current conflict. As if it actually were as easy as good vs. evil. I would have expected at least Rupert to be a bit less polemic if not pacifist all together! However can't agree on everything I guess and the rest of the conversation is great!
I love Rupert, but it was disappointing to to hear him talk about Putin in the way he did as well. I hoped to find someone who might have felt the same way I did, and there you were, along with a few who had a similar views. I pray for the innocent people and animals of both countries, but this type of war has many complexities and it is hard for me to single out one person to deeply, and intensely dislike. Someone as enlightened as Rupert, it was very disappointing 😢
Hi, why do you relate to media? The fact is - without doubt - Russia invaded Ukraine. Please look up on Wikipedia how the second world war began - please really look it up and see how the story unfolded in the beginning, and what the consequences were. Yes there might be economic interests involved and media/propaganda might tell this and that on both sides, but the core issue remains. This is the reason for the reaction of the West - having that story in the back of their heads (invasion austria, blitzkrieg poland,…) - doing nothing would have similar catastrophical consequences - as they said in the talk: “If they get away with everything, they will do everything.” We have historical proof for that. Besides that - I think they discussed it pretty well.
Great to hear them talking about current affairs. Violence, war, and megalomania are not to be tolerated unless we want to live in a hell on earth. Thank you for speaking on this Rupert.
I have followed Rupert’s work for years, but this is the first time I’ve encountered Bernardo. I just bought his most recent book. I would hope they would co-author a book sometime! It would be amazing and expose each of their followings to each other.
I hear Spira saying that we should treat animals the way we would like to be treated but Putin should be taken out. What's that all about? Is that intended to be integral to his idealism?
At about minute 40 I absolutely fell in love with Bernardo. I was already head over heels for Rupert. So much gratitude for their humble manner of carrying us to a place of oneness through their eloquent expressions of Truth. Valeu, Bernardo! Gratidäo! Deep thanks, Rupert!
A message for Bernardo and JaCha (below): Consider there may be no "getting completely there", no point at which one can say "ah, now I'm fully enlightened", but rather only an endless deeping of understanding, and you have "arrived" at every point along the way, never to stay there. (Maybe being enlightened is just a silly idea.) Being sensitive to suffering and injustice and feeling unrest while that is going on, is no sign of a shallow understanding of the nature of reality, and there can never be a complete understanding either, in my view. We are where we are in our individual and collective ripening. While we may admire a beautiful, ripe, juicy fruit and recognize ours is a little greener, being green is as necessary as being ripe. Forgetting about getting to the next stage, may help things flow along. Thank you friends, for your generosity. These conversations are a treat for us all.
Not sure I'm understanding what you are meaning here. I don't think I mentioned getting to the next stage of anything...not certain if Bernardo did either. For me, there is no "next stage" no "getting anywhere." This is it. Enlightenment is merely the understanding and realization of who you are beyond the ego/person and living life from that perspective. We are where we are in our individual ripening...that's true. But either we "ripen" as an unconscious aspect of ourselves...through a lack of understanding of the nature of reality, or we "ripen" through grasping the bigger picture. The bigger picture is that we are all ONE. Sometimes we don't feel this unity, but just because we don't always feel it, does not negate the reality of it. Thanks for sharing your message here.
@@jacha1474 Hi JaCha! So nice to talk about these matters. Thank you for clarifying your perspective. I guess from your words I felt what I interpreted as something like disappointment at not feeling unity. Maybe I misinterpreted you both. It felt something like wanting to feel unity and that the felt sense of unity hasn't come to you yet... or that you don't always feel it all the times. Also, in Bernardo's words I had heard some kind of longing for peace which he says he doesn't often feel. I was speaking to that. When I spoke of the next stage, I meant like the next stage of personal development wherein one might feel more at peace, have a deeper understanding and feel more at one with everything. It seems to me that longing for peace can help propel us towards it (to set us off on a journey seeking it until eventually we may stop looking outwardly), but I notice that the longing for it can also get in the way at times and in some cases it's helpful to let go of our ideas of how it should be. I must have simply misunderstood your words. I meant no undermining of your understanding of enlightenment. It got me to thinking though... (now I see it musn't be true of you and maybe not Bernardo either), I thought to myself... if a person who had an idea of what unity was supposed to feel like actually felt it, would that person be able to recognize it, if the actual feeling of unity wasn't like their idea of how it should feel? Maybe they were feeling it already and not realizing it because it wasn't as extraordinary as they imagined?
@@nataliciosa Yes, Natalia...very nice indeed! Okay, I get ya now. Because we're part human, we experience life through our feelings. Thank goodness, because if we didn't have them, we'd be robots. (That doesn't mean we should lose ourselves in them, however.) But, you're right on several issues here....for those who don't quite grasp what awareness and the nature of reality is all about yet. In 2010, I wrote a book, "The Next Level...a Journey of Spiritual Awakening through Physics and Other Sciences." In it, I explained my spontaneous feeling of ONENESS with the universe...for a short period...and how I tried desperately to get that feeling back...ultimately learning to let go and live my awareness through that experience and through my understanding of the nature of reality. There are many modern day teachers/gurus who tout a "felt" sense of unity...being one with God & Nature" and how to "feel" connected. And their subjects...especially the new ones, long for this felt sense of connection. Although Bernardo, in another talk, did feel this unity...through the use of LSD, it was refreshing to hear him point out that, feelings aside, a conceptual understanding is also an "avenue" if you will, to live life from a unified perspective...as opposed to an individual one. But...the experience and feeling of ONENESS is extraordinary. It's life changing. Sometimes you can experience this through psychedelics (like Ram Dass did...which changed his life forever.) Sometimes spontaneously (like I did...which changed my life forever.) And sometimes gradually...through, meditation and understanding. But you're right....it's probably nothing like you would imagine it to be. It's beyond what takes place in the mind. :-)
@@jacha1474 Hello again, nice to greet you. I hear what you are saying and know what you are referring to. I sometimes wonder if that intense and all encompassing feeling of oneness (like a kiss from God) is actually sustainable throughout our daily activities. I tend to think not. It seems to be natural that the feeling should fade a little into the background so that we can tend to what is before us in our daily lives. I don't suggest that we can "lose contact with it", or that it's something other than ourselves that we can lose touch with (though at first, the more intellectual processes of the mind seem to give us the impression that we have lost touch with it), but we can't seem to always be entirely engulfed by the feeling. I would say it's too all encompassing and we are not able to do anything else so we simply can't maintain it all the time while we are living human beings. It seems to me we must have one foot in heaven and one foot on earth, if you get my meaning haha. In my view, the one-foot-in-heaven-and-one-foot-on-earth experience is quite common, and even felt by everyone at times. I think the felt sense of unity occurs naturally when we appreciate beauty, or fill up with affection, also when we are in creative processes, or flowing - becoming involved with an activity to the point of not thinking, forgetting oneself and time, or losing the distinction between me and what is going on. I would say these experiences are quite extraordinary, though we tend not to see them that way, and we may tend to seek to more exotic God's Kiss experience haha. The God's Kiss experience is life changing without question, but it is not necessary in order to feel a deep sense of unity, in my opinion. Once we become aware and understand these things more deeply over time, there is no getting away from that felt sense of unity, even if it feels subtler than a Kiss from God haha.
You are absolutely correct in everything you’ve written here. The key, however, is “becoming aware.” Not many of us are. I appreciate Rupert and Bernardo because they speak about awareness from two different perspectives…science and spirituality…which for me…starting out as a non spiritual person…lead to the same conclusion of unity. Thank you for taking the time to comment. Jan
the explanation of need to use force sometimes speaks also to what Putin is doing. He also feels like force is required, and I'm sure he would say he has "tried many times" but with no luck, like a parent warning a child 4 times - the 5th time he had to use force. I'm obviously not flagging Putin's case, I'm trying to hold up the mirror I see.
I love the conversation, thank you for this sharing, it is deep and at a level that I crave or I could say a level that I am immensely grateful to have the privileged to watch. In my own life, this understanding has permeated my experience with peace, joy, love, freedom and authenticity. I love how Bernardo brought about the topic of the sense of mystery of life and how this has been lost in our actual society. The sense of mystery, the wonderment about existence. The felt sense of awe and wonder of the mystery of life. I love the talk about the mystery and the felt sense of being a kid in kermes. In my own experience, there is a feeling of wonderment about the beauty of life, a sense of playfulness, the magic of being here experiencing existence. The game of life living itself through me, being a person, going to work, driving a car, looking at a plant, eating an olive. That existence existing through us as an “individual” body/mind. Individuality alone for me was very dry, and very hard to live with and I experienced a sense of having lost something very important, a sense of something being really wrong. But individuality coupled with the knowing of our shared being has brought back the sense of love, peace and joy that I longed for all of my life and with it, the felt sense that being here, existing is the most magical wonderful thing that can happen. The fact that there is existence, to connect to that mystery of life is a doorway to the sense of being alive deeply. The aliveness and the simple joy of being. And from a deeper perspective, seeing, knowing or understanding that consciousness knows itself as itself only, from that perspective, nothing ever happens, there is only being or awareness of being, and even deeper, nothingness. The mastery in which they put that into words is also astonishing and I can’t thank them enough for doing so publicly, we need it. I also wanted to reflect about labels and what we do in the world. I felt compelled to share that nature expresses itself through me as “life coaching,“ in the moment, although “my“ life coaching is informed by the knowing of our shared being. I know that Bernardo was not judgmental about any activity and I totally get what he was saying when mentioning that often life is about “me” and how to be a better “me”. The label “life coaching,“ is assigned to “my“ activity instead of friend or spiritual “something”. But what goes on in a session is the meeting of reality through our shared being and the “transmission” of the “unconditional love and total freedom” of our true nature. What speaks through “me” is to the best of my ability, Truth. And words are clumsy, this is not to say that it is not what is going on in any activity, it is just to open the discussion about how an activity might seem to be about the me person becoming a better person but in fact it might not be. I also feel that the field of life coaching is evolving from a transactional coaching to a more, “transformational“ or deep coaching, more towards being and less towards doing. I also love the talk about the need of force and that hiding in doing nothing about situations that are limiting freedom and love is a reaction or the ego. That stopping evil can be done as Truth and that the absolute does not mean to hide behind some concept about it. Sometimes it means enforcing law and stopping evil even though this evil is nature expressing itself as that limiting of nature itself. Thank you and I hope to see more of these conversations. And I also want to say that Simon is playing a crucial role in bringing these conversations to life, so thank you Simon.
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices is this a hypothetical question? If you are genuinely asking me, I'd say Bernardo and Rupert wouldn't claim either title.
I am seeing the comments of Ukraine and Putin as being very shortsighted and unclear. The situation is very different from the way Rupert and Bernado see it. But I am taking it and all involved, including Putin and NATO, Rupert and Bernado higher into the realm of the Spirit of Love where we are all One 💛🌟
It is a pleasure to listen to this discussion, gentlemen. The perceptions you (each of you) shared with us also flow within my experience, and sometimes the energy compels me to write poetry even though I do not think of myself as a poet. They may also come through visually as symbolic equations, and I am certainly not a mathematician. Thus, I connect with the mystery of which Bernado speaks. I wrote this poem in 2013 and titled it The Essence. May we, all beings, be blessed with the felt sense of deep love for the 'field' of Consciousness in which we are all light portals. I hope you enjoy it. the essence join with me in the essence of darkness luxurious black canvas forming the womb of love the essence of your kiss touches the earth within me you remind me that I am the reason you dance this world so that you may behold me and give a kiss to my sweet lips as life on earth is born become Krsna and play your flute for me blow your soft wind kisses over me together we will dance the notes of love dancing wind kisses within the dark space where stellar lights shine i am a beautiful vessel, like your flute responsive to your touch receptive to your moods desiring to give shape to the melodies of our love melodies of sound and silence heart and soul rhythmically opening and closing light portals upon the dark canvas of love the essence, the essence* is love, is love* the essence, the essence* is our love, our love* *the repeated phrase is meant to be read or heard as a soft echo
I did not get around to commenting on the first conversation between these two great sages, but I must say now that it was a wonderful, wonderful conversation, and I very much look forward to hearing this one, once I find a quiet time to give it my full attention.
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
@@hyperduality2838 Yes. Duality is birthed from non-duality - still, the non-duality is the source/ foundation/ the deepest depth, from which all else is born. It at least seems that way, so far
@@elektrotehnik94 I am using physics and mathematics to demonstrate patterns of duality hardwired into reality. Absolute truth is dual to relative truth -- Hume's fork. Energy is duality, duality is energy -- the 5th law of thermodynamics or the conservation of duality, Generalized duality. Potential energy is dual to kinetic energy -- gravitational energy is dual. Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein. Dark energy is dual to dark matter. Electro is dual to magnetic -- electro-magnetic energy is dual. Everything in physics is made out of energy and hence everything must be dual including entropy! A dual process to that of increasing entropy is by definition the 4th law of thermodynamics. The observed is dual to the observer -- David Bohm. Thesis (God) is dual to the anti-thesis (the Christ Consciousness) creates the converging thesis or synthesis of the holy spirit or the mind/soul -- the time independent Hegelian dialectic. God (non duality or the absolute) is dual to man (duality or the relative, physics). Being is dual to non-being creates becoming -- Plato. Concept are dual to percepts -- the mind duality of Immanuel Kant. Sources (white hole) are dual to sinks (black hole). God is actually a dual concept.
I just LOVE these deep conversations. Thank you sooo much 🙏🏻 I feel the truth behind every Word.Such good pointers 😍 I think we swim in the same pool. ❤️ Love from Sweden 🇸🇪
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
The value of a class increases not only with the excellence of the Teacher, but very much with the quality of of the Pupil too! Please go on with this Masterpieces. I’m “growing” with your line of thinking!! (I found Vedanta through serious Yoga classes. Through Vedanta I found Deepak, then he “introduced me” to Rupert and Rupert to Bernardo. What wonderful “coincidences”!)
Having been a soldier in battles, I asked a Geshe the question, "what about killing others?". He did not hesitate to answer: "If it must be done then do it with compassion." After decades of developing a relationship with emptiness, (which is alive), for me, Compassion naturally arose from the practice of abiding in the direct perception of pure Spaciousness. The dishes will always be there. de oppresso liber
If the whole world would allow themselves to witness these talks between beings that shine light on truth/THAT. The unmanifest, unknown, & indescribable to the best Awareness can become aware of itself ultimately💟☮️
Rupert (in case you read this), Byron Katie once told a dear little story … There once was held a big council in heaven, where all the angels of all the heavens came to hear … and God asks for a certain job to be done … and when the angels heard this - they all shrank back … in horror … and fright ... And after aeons and aeons of lifetimes … finally … one angel showed up … and said “YES!” … “I’m gonna be THAT one, to be the Hitler on this Earth!”. I do NOT know … and NOTHING is as it seems (that’s at least MY story).
There is one thing Rupert says that I don't agree with. He says that the experience of being or "I AM-ness" is the only experience that is not based on thought or perceptions but the truth is that for that experience of being to happen there has to be a body involved, it is this the reason that when we sleep deeply the Sense of Being disappears.
This is so enormously surprising, to a point of shocking perhaps, to see that these enormously evolved minds and hearts, still fall victim to this obvious kind of selective outrage. At first I was disappointed, but immediately thereafter realized we 're all simply human. That's what we are. And that's so wonderfully okay.
It would be OK had they at least acknowledged that they were falling short of the ideal, as indeed we all do. The disappointing thing to me is the way that it was portrayed as being consistent with the non-dual understanding. It isn’t!
This is a joy. Thank you for doing a second one. It's all wonderful, with the exception of something VERY chilling. I'd invite both Rupert and Bernardo to transcribe their own language about freedom, force, fear and Ukraine and subject it to a close analytical comparison to the language of political leaders of different orientation. These abstractions map extremely well onto language around Bush's invasion of Iraq, to some of Putin's language, and to a lot of fundamentalist Christians. The more abstract and "spiritual" the language, the more it all sounds the same - and the more easily it can be used to both incite and retroactively justify violence. Motivated reasoning works the same no matter what the spiritual altitude it comes from. Do you think it might be safer to... stay in your lane?
I only had to look up a couple of things here, lol. I primarily followed this discussion and got some true value here. Think I need to listen to this again. My first time hearing Bernardo who's mind is far beyond mine here. Trying to imagine having the insight he did as a child watching his father playing himself at chess. Brilliant minds bringing great illumination.
Wonderful discussion. Self enquiry and empirical study nicely interwoven by speakers to help listeners understand the Reality and overcome the 'seeming ' reality syndrome. By the way Rupert is my favorite thinker-philosopher in the West as a Vedantin.
Brahman (creation) is dual to Shiva (destruction) synthesizes reality (Vishnu). Being is dual to non-being creates becoming -- Plato. Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
There is 'no one' to express unity. There is no one to experience whatever 'is', except from the illusory perspective of a separate self. You could both release referring to each other's ego or separate self in a apparent context like this.
I believe that each and every one of us in whatever life form we are, are living this life experience for our own personal growth. I believe that all life is a form of God, of the source, of consciousness, whatever you want to call the ultimate greatness. All life is a manifestation of consciousness, so in other words, we are all God living a life experience. I believe that we all go back to the place or state that we all came from before we manifested. I agree with Rupert that love is the energy that we need to "try" to guide us in our daily challenges. Although we are the same, we are here in this life experience as unique individuals; an experience that God is experiencing through us. So the awareness and importance of not judging others are paramount to trying to live in love. We don't understand or know what is really going on with Putin. We have our own personal beliefs, but that does not make them a reality, it's just our own personal beliefs and understanding. Hence the importance of realizing that Putin is also a manifestation of God and we don't understand why he is what he is or why he is being driven to do what he is doing, but he is still from, and of God. Maybe our eternal individual souls are on a constant evolutionary journey of gaining deeper knowing consciousness with each life we live. Maybe Putin's soul has to learn important lessons from his experiences in this life for his own evolutionary journey's growth.
From the Hebrew Scriptures: "Vengeance is mine says the Lord (YHVH - the Abrahamic "God"). I disagree with that, after all, that "God" supports the institution of slavery in Leviticus.
There are few people in the world I respect as much as Rupert and Bernardo. However, I dare to disagree that the statement "to allow a totalitarian dictator to use the threat of total annihilation in the form of nuclear war is almost as detrimental to the expression of nature as nuclear war" is a little exaggeration. By not allowing the former we may cause the latter and isn't risking total annihilation as bad as total annihilation?
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
What’s the point of being enlightened if you remain constrained to walk between the lines of the dominant political narrative of your society? I thought a natural outcome of enlightenment is becoming an individual free of one’s cultural conditioning; the one who seeks truth and values justice. I didn’t see any of it in this talk. The person whom Rupert disliked so much is in fact revered by his nation and his actions are justified under the social conditions of those people.
What an intelligent and articulate comment! Glad to see that my husband and myself are not the only ones disappointed in the trajectory of this discussion around Ukraine, the outcome of which leaves us precisely at the point where we started, mired in the violence inherent in the dualism from which we had hoped to escape.
Conflict, tension, stress = energy in Einstein's theory of General Relativity, energy is duality, duality is energy. Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
I'm a bit sobered that Rupert, too, is taken in by the one-sidedness of media and political proclamations and doesn't succeed in allowing himself to see things from East to West. Every perspective has its truth.
"What I am suggesting doesn't imply that force is not sometime required. I think it is. You don't smile sweetly at people like Putin.., But then if it doesn't work (the diplomacy)..most stringent measures are necessary in service of truth, peace, love, justice.. and sometime force is necessary..." Forgive me if I did not take it as lightly as the other watchers and commenters but I am so in shock and disbelief of what I've just heard from the mouth of a so called non-dual spiritual teacher whom I've loved and respected and followed for some time. Krishnamurti is turning in his grave hearing that force and so violence are necessary in service of truth, peace and love.I know Rupert doesn't claim he is enlightened but still the teaching of love and compassion is the basic of all teachings without which everything else no matter how enlightened it sounds it means absolutely nothing! Speaking about non-duality in duality without understanding true love and compassion is pointless and dangerous. Yes, when Jesus said "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also" he really meant it. Love is complete forgiveness and total surrender to the present moment and this is the only way we can turn war, violence and suffering into peace, understanding and happiness. Coming back to duality, it doesn't really matter that things are not so black and white. that he have no idea about the geopolitical situation, that force=brutal war, killing and more suffering in this situation and that he sounds like any other MSM journalist or even worse like a politician... I began to have my doubts about him when he blindly aligned with the official vaccination enforcement requiring proof of vaccination for participating in his retreats. And now this, which I can't get over anymore. Too much ignorance and delusion for a spiritual teacher.
Well said. I was also disappointed at Rupert's comment on the Ukraine situation. He didn't seem to know the truth of it. Ukraine is the hub of the Cabal and the Russian military went there to destroy the bio labs that were going to release deadly virus(es) to the world.
I’m reminded of Richard Bach’s metaphorical story of the great crystal river and all the creatures clinging to the twigs and rocks as their way of life, as they’d learned from birth. The current sweeps silently over them knowing only it’s crystal self. One tired and bored creature decides to trust the river, to let go, and free himself.
Aside from my other comment, I'd like to add that this interview is largely inspirational. The coming together of the philosophical logical path and mystical experiential path is well in order. I've ascended in life from what I mentioned below (strict dogmatic and dualistic fundamentalism) to a non-dual vision of interconnected Reality. And in a non-dual Reality, it's not possible that the logical and experiential paths should ever be separate and not united. That separated sentiment goes against the very foundational premise of non-duality. We should see science, philosophy, and mystical experience as one interconnected unity of multidisciplinary understanding across the board. And that is what goes into a newer version of Idealism that I have named, "Hermetic Idealism." Which embraces Analytic Idealism and Mathematical Idealism. As well as the experiential path. When I get my own TH-cam Channel running for "The Hermetic Order of 21st Century Idealist's," I would very much like to book you (Rupert Spira) for interviews. And collaborate with Bernardo Kastrup and Donald Hoffman with myself moderating. So that the four of us together can further explore the coming together of the scientific, philosophical, and experiential paths and the audiences of each.
The more you hear and “digest” the more you’ll experiment how ONE we are. Do yourself the privilege of listening to the whole conversation! It’s a gem!
It s really beautiful to think of it that way: The physical space and the mental space are one. Moving through the physical space Is equal to shifting "our" consciousness. From the point of view of the consciousness we are literally moving the mountains sec by sec. Thank you for this amazing and truly inspirational exchange of thoughts! 😀❤
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:- From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line. Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism. Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant. Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology. Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology. Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology. Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic). Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy). Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force). Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual. "Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Really enjoyed these two conversations, thank you Rupert, Bernado and Simon … except the discussion around the Ukraine issue, it was disappointing for me that it was coloured by the mainstream narrative, there are at least two sides to the story and a little investigation into the situation opens a wider perspective, for anyone who is interested in what is true and what is propaganda, a clearly dualistic view about the good guys and the bad guys ... internal awakening goes hand in hand with external awakening
With Rolf, I agree that there are at least two sides to the story. The conversation around Ukraine - which was being an example of a situation when push back force might be justified or even demanded - missed that Russia is pushing back for just this reason.
@@WakingUpToday213 exactly, Russia is pushing back for that reason … also, i find the hypocrisy astonishing when the world just watched when the US ‚administration‘ invaded numerous countries for decades .. to allegedly install ‚democracy‘ .. don‘t want to get into politics or find excuses, just seeing the whole picture
More Spira and Kastrup together please. 🙏🏼 The content is so profound wise and well articulated. And the interaction between Spira and Kastrup is a pure expression of love and respect.So whats not to like 🥰
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Sooo grateful for part2
Rupert and Bernardo are like wood and fire for each other. Please we need more of these precise talks, their talks always nourishe my soul and awaken my heart. We are sooo lucky and blessed to witness these meetings 🤍
Thank You so much Simon for arranging these meetings 🙏🏼
I so appreciate Bernardo admitting that he's not had the experience of unity, but that he has the conceptual understanding of unity... which helps him to live his truth. This I see as extremely important because so many of us on this path feel disheartened when that feeling of unity eludes us.
I believe that in at least one talk he mentioned that he has had several 15 minute psychedelic assisted experiences of unity. That would be the God molecule, which, although illegal in the US, is available to everyone. 🐸
@@michaelg1569 Yes, I heard that one. He used LSD...the same way Ram Dass experienced his "awakening."
@@jacha1474 I don't think it was LSD. He said it was a 15 minute (by the clock) experience. That is how long DMT lasts. If he saw God, he probably ingested the God molecule. 🐸
@@jacha1474 I don't think it was LSD. He said the experience lasted 15 minutes. DMT experiences last 15 minutes or so. If he saw God, he probably ingested the God molecule.
@@michaelg1569 You might be right. He only mentioned taking "high dose psychedelics," not specifically LSD. And DMT experiences does model NDE's so, that could possible be.
The political talk at the half hour mark was a little jarring to be honest. I could see the hesitancy in the interviewer and his nervousness was well placed. The seeds of the conflict were sown 30-40 years ago. This "take" by Rupert and Bernardo (and I like them very much and have Bernardos books) was very very simplistic and made me think that when Rupert is not meditating he is getting his "news" from the BBC CNN et al. Now that I have that off my chest I will go back to listening to rest of the conversation that I so enjoyed in part 1.
I feel the same way.
Same
seeds of the conflict were sown centuries ago, as ruZZia, in its all iterations, seeks to invade and conquer its neighbours, steal their resources, and replace their population with their own genes.
what is discussion of reality and us within it worth if we can't address the burning issues of our time?
Same
Well said.
Bernardo’s point about the mystery is well taken. The fact that infinite mind does not metacognize its own movement but is pure, omniscient, subjectivity is indeed a mystery. Wonderful conversation. These two men are much closer in their views than I had thought. I love it because I admire them both and am amazed at how they come to the same or very similar views coming from radically different approaches. Thank you!!
Tears started pouring from my eyes out Gratitude in the end of the conversation. Indeed what a privilege to listen to such a conversation. Thank you so much 🙏🏼
Right there with you Ibrahim
Love Ruperts analogy of the dish-cloth as representation of our "beingness" having become absorbed by thoughts and feelings until simply our awareness of it starts to "clean up"and purify with the realization that what we really are is not the cloth itself but the ever present pure luminous light that is constantly shining through us and it is that which permeates through every cell and every living thing and no one is ever really stained but always pure consciousness 🙏💗🙏
Somehow encouraging to see that Rupert and Bernardo are not immune to the corporate media brainwashing. Certainly, that they see their shared being with whoever is being portrayed as a villain is the most important thing.
Encouraging, or disappointing?
@@Misslotusification Encouraging. It honestly seems to me that enlightenment is easier than getting to the "political truth" of what's happening on earth. No need, then, to alert the unwilling masses, as it were. Seek enlightenment and let God take care of the rest.
I'm a bit sobered that Rupert, too, is taken in by the one-sidedness of media and political proclamations and doesn't succeed in allowing himself to see things as well from East to West. Every perspective has its truth.
How strange that pro-Putin n propaganda is working so well on you.
The corporate media is no paradigm of truth, but to then decide that every single thing they say must de facto be the opposite of truth is… foolish.
Russia straddles both East and West. Her people share a unity and commitment to the whole which is the eastern mindset. The West has this ideal of one's individuality and has therefore fallen into greed, corruption etc.
I started off being very intellectually driven, watching the TOE podcast and discovered both Bernardo, Rupert and others who were all seemingly saying the same thing with different words. Bernardo gave me the not only the insight what and that I had been missing something in my world view but also courage to explore it which lead me to Rupert who gave me the tools and the understanding to explore and develop the part of me and my world view that had been missing.
I want to extend my deepest gratitude for enabling me and others to access and actualize these teachings and insights.
Thank you.
One of my favourite quotes in this wonderful discussion is from Barnardo at about 40.00: 'My life is bursting at the seams with meaning because it's not about me'. So true but so contrary to the way most people live their lives; always aiming to improve and aiming at the horizon. Who is the aimer and where is the horizon? In fact the horizon is here and the separate self is an illusion. As Krishnamurti said; 'Happy is the man who is nothing'.
Rupert is a wise and balanced Being, always with clear and profound words, which give me "oxygen" to dive into the deep ocean of non-duality, I can use his teachings as a wetsuit.
Bernardo is a true philosopher who seeks the essence of existence.
Thank you for sharing with us.
Rupert is ignorant about geopolitics.
@@markupton1417 One who is full of things (thoughts) is empty of god. One who is full of things, is empty of god.
@@alisonsalter8352 so you're saying if one has thoughts one can't have God?
I'd rather be godless than thoughtless...thoughts are what makes us human.
Also...you had the thought about God and thoughts...so are you godless?
I suspect you're mostly thoughtless.
@@markupton1417 what os meant is 'full of thoughts based on the illusory separate self. A period apent with no thoughts is highly recommended...that is a pwriod abiding as pure consciousness. This just happens naturally of you allow it. Then thoughts return, but they are not on behalf of the separate self, but eather as a rexognitinthat they come from god/pure consciousness.
In Bagavadgita, Lord Krishna talks to the hesitation and personal turmoil of Arjuna about his role as a leader in tribal war. Lord Krishna, as I understand it, speaks of Arjuna's service to his darhma by surrendering to his calling in life or his life plan, without judging it or resisting it.
What a beautiful and insightful conversation! My mind was blown in certain segments and I found myself smiling quite a few times :)
Rupert is becoming amazing at putting his understanding of the World into words. ❤️
Amazing to see & very commendable.
Words are a potent medium to share this understanding, but I find this understanding insanely difficult to put into words myself. ^^
Rupert’s & other’s work helps me a lot in that endevour. ❤️
Experiencing this understanding yourself, through practices like meditation (or various other Dharana-style practices, including prayer) is one path to get to that understanding, but the breadth of influence of words, to share this understanding wider, can hardly be overstated. 🏆
With Love, from Slovenia ❤️
@@elektrotehnik94 Very well said! Rupert's ability to condense metaphysical concepts and the nature of awareness into clear and concise statements is second to none! Hope this understanding can penetrate into the everyday living of common people. It would truly change the world beyond imagination! Much love :)
I felt so moved to be listening to this conversation. Even though parts of it were beyond me, I could sense how deeply significant it is, and what a privilege it is to be able to listen to these two. Bernardo's analogy of the chess game is such a powerful way of visualizing how we are all one. I will be thinking about that analogy for a long time. Thank you so much for this amazing interview.
I just want to add something to Bernardo's closing statements about addictions. He noted eating meat but the real issue is not what is eaten, but eating in and of itself as food addiction in general. I was raised in a dominant vegetarian environment as a Seventh Day Adventist. And you can bet your butts that vegetarian food addiction is no different than addiction to eating meat. We had some holier than thou attitude about a superior health message. But when I looked around at the congregation of people, what I saw is a lot of people who are either way too fat or sickly looking skinny. The fat people were vegetarian food addicts and the frail people were malnourished in various ways. It's not a congregation of perfectly fit people with demonstrable superiority where weight and physical strength is concerned. People get the wrong idea a lot of the time about vegetarianism. It has its own "dark side." If not balanced correctly.
What an incredible joy to witness this two spiritual and intellectual giant sharing their thoughts. Thank you 🙏
Rupert has a remedial understanding of what's happening in Ukraine.
Sometimes people should stay in their lane.
Yes, or be more informed.
Could not agree more.
Rupert seems to get his Ukraine information from very biased mainstream media
Same
The best talk I've heard with Bernardo. I think Rupert brings out the real Bernardo and it's exactly what he needs.
I'm looking forward to the day that it finally clicks and Bernardo realises he is more free than the vaste majority.
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
This conversation around the Ukraine issue points out nicely what happens when I think I know something (especially if the knowledge has been so profoundly proved by MSM;)
Inevitably it ends up - or simply remains - in dualism. There's a good guy and there's a bad one ... and of course I belong to ones who take the so-much-better choices ...
Precisely, when I think I know something I better think twice, especially when the MSM are hammering a narrative that might be totally false.
@@Misslotusification I do not know anything ... I may attach a story/concept to a 'thing' ... but in truth it's totally un-knowable ...
Love is unknowable.
That was the quite profoundly disappointing element of this conversation for me. Surely for ones whose lives are steeped in this understanding, the only truly non-dual response to any situation is one of love and vulnerability, not judgement and force. By that I mean, not weakness and inaction but the most powerful witness of passive resistance and peaceful, non-violent protest against the perpetration of violence. The only way to neutralise violence is to absorb it in the name of love, even at the expense of our own lives. To fight fire with fire is an age-old response which may seem to resolve a given situation but ultimately only sets us up for endless repetitions of the same. I think it was Henry Thoreau who said “Things do not change; we change.” If Rupert and Bernardo are still treading the well worn path of violent retaliation, I wonder if they’ve really changed at all and, if not, what is it that they hope to teach us?
War, conflicts, tension, stress = energy or duality!
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
@@mangelwurzel476 my understanding of that portion of their conversation is that once diplomacy and all other means of peacefully resolving conflict have been tried that in the name of Truth and Love sometimes force is required if the harmful activity of a person continues regardless.
Bernardo and Rupert. What a treat. Surprising to hear Rupert espousing such negative opinions on someone. Never heard him discuss politics before.
Indeed, especially when Rupert states that hatred is when our true nature is veiled by thoughts and emotions...
Same... "To do nothing would be an egoic fearful response"~Rupert Spira
Simon does a fabulous job of just letting them talk.
" Awareness cannot exist with duality, and mind cannot exist without duality. Awareness is non-dual, and mind is dual.
If you go outwards you will move into the world of duality. If you go inwards you will move into the world of non-duality; you will become non-polar.
Enlightenment is the realization of the non-dual.
When there is I, it creates thou. When there is I it creates duality, and all is lost in duality. When there is no I, then there is non-duality. Then you are one with existence, utterly one. Then you are nothing but a pulsation of existence itself, just a ripple in the lake of this infinite consciousness.
If you are divided in two, into man and woman, negative/ positive, darkness/light, mind/heart, thought/feeling - if you are divided in two, your energy will be going downward. Division is the way of the downward. When you are undivided, one, you start moving upward. To be one is to move upward, to be two is to move downward. Duality is the way to hell, non-duality is the way to heaven.
These are the two planes of humanity: duality, the plane of duality, what Hindus call DWAITA, the plane of two; and non-duality, the plane of one, the plane of the non-dual. When you are divided you are in this world; when you are undivided, you have transcended - you are no longer here, you have penetrated into the Beyond. Then boundaries meet and the boundaries meet in you. So the whole effort is how to become undivided, how to become one.
This has to be the criterion whether you have reached the goal or not. If there is still something as its polar opposite, you have not reached; you are still in the duality. One can move from one duality to another duality; it does not make any change. One has to move from duality to non-duality, because non-duality is the ultimate. The ultimate has no opposite to it. It is the final synthesis where all opposites have melted into one, when male and female have melted into one.
REMEMBER, when we use the word ‘oneness’, that too is part of duality. If there is no duality how can there be oneness? That’s why Hindus never use ‘oneness’. If you ask Shankara, “What is the nature of existence?” he says, “Non-dual, ADVAITA, not two.” He will never say one, because how can you say one? If there is only one, how can you say one? One needs two to be meaningful. If there is no possibility of the second, of the two, then what is the use of saying that it is one? Shankara says, “At the most, I can say not two, but I cannot say positively one. I can say what the reality is not: it is not two. I cannot say what it is, because meaning, words, all become useless.”
Enlightenment simply means you disappear, you become the whole. There is no question of separation or no separation. There is no question of oneness, because even the word `oneness’ hides behind it twoness. What do you mean when you say oneness? - you mean twoness. The mystics have avoided using the word `oneness’, but you cannot. In the very nature of intellectual understanding you can go a little roundabout - and that’s what people like Shankara have done. They talk about non-duality, no-twoness; they don’t talk about oneness. They want to indicate oneness, but they don’t want to use the word `oneness’ because oneness points towards twoness.
Enlightenment means the point from where you take a jump into the non-dual. Before that point is duality. Everything is divided.
Language creates duality, language exists through duality. It cannot indicate the non-dual. If I say ‘day’, immediately I create night. If I say ‘life’, immediately I create death. If I say ‘good’, immediately bad is created. If I say ‘no’, just by the side of the no, yes is existing. Language can exist only through the opposite. That’s why we see life as always divided - God and devil. Drop language, drop this linguistic pattern. Once language is no more on your mind and you look directly into reality, day IS night. Suddenly you will start laughing at why you missed it so long! Day, every day turns into night; night turns into day every morning again, and you have been missing. Life is always turning into death, death always turns again into life, and you have been missing. They are not two, they are one whole. This is the non-dual, ADWAITA. This is the most essential religion."
So, instead of experiencing as mystics say, "atonement," what would the realization of healing wholeness be termed?
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Rupert's, "reality is concealed by the world", has abruptly reminded me of the verses in the Bible, which say, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
Consciousness, the life of all, is hidden to the world, is my uninformed understanding!
I still remember as a five year old sitting on a warm summer day in the school yard and studying the catechism. The first question was: For what purpose was I created? The answer was: To know love and serve God. That resonated with my five-year old self and I totally agreed.
Love the comment “your life is not about you, you’re a part of nature “
There are no parts; there is only oneself partnering with itself so not to feel by itself.
@@waldwassermann In other words, all the parts only seem like separate parts; whereas in fact, upon close inspections, they are revealed to all be one whole non-seperate Oneness/ “thing”.
In other words, the “partness” we perceive is an illusion/ a false account.
❤️
@@elektrotehnik94 Correct. However. The final conclusion is that the origin of the "partness" is "oneness" not wanting to be alone hence the why the gospel of Love. It must be remembered that this "oneness" (which is all of us as one really) has an unfathomable intelligence (based on the 13.787±0.020 billion years the Planck data gives us). But I guarantee the purpose of Oneness (including but not limited to The World) is Companionship aka Love. It is only by veiling Oneself that Oneness can experience Companionship aka Love. And Companionship aka Love is what Oneness (it is OK to call it God or Christ) is all about hence why it is said that God is Love. No need to agree. Blessings.
Therefor ‘you ‘ can’t opinionated what best . Consciousness us both creator and destroyer . Both serve even if there’s no knowing how
@@geoffwalker5884 There is no creation nor destruction; all this is Self moving itself so not to be by itself.
1 Corinthians 13 1
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
Amazing attempt to put infinite consciousness in words!
1:15.00 one of the best description of reality I have heard.
Interesting to watch Bernardo being influenced by Rupert’s words. Doesn’t go the other way.
Very skillful of the narrator to give Bernardo the opportunity to regain his composure.
Another enlightening discussion from the two men I consider my main teachers. Coming to both of them and their teachings / ideas independently.
To find out much later they have become friends and able cross the boundaries of each others field of study is wonderful.
Thanks for marking this happens.
the understanding of who and what we all are is why we are here to learn and evolve in consciousness , i love Ruperts teachings, as he very often says, "know thyself," thankyou all for sharing 💗🙏💗
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
@@hyperduality2838 Why don’t you post your thoughts on the main thread rather than copying ithem as replies to others comments?
@@michaelg1569 I have in the past but I get more feedback if I respond to someone elses comment. Some of my comments do not show up after I post them which means that I am being blocked. Some of my comments do not show up unless I am logged on which means that only I can see them -- I am being censored.
Some people get to see my comments but many do not.
These conversations are simply beautiful. Just listening to the respectful, wise and loving interchanges actually generates feelings of unity in me ( something I struggle with alot of the time). I have been in love with Rupert for a while but I have now fallen for Bernardo with his humility and Simon with his skill in teasing out the best from them both - and knowing exactly when to be quiet and just listen.
Have to be honest though, Putin is still a stretch...
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
@@hyperduality2838 Wow! That’s a mindful!
At 1.20 when discussing about what it feels to be universal consciousness , I'd say
The experience the universal consciousness has of itself would be jthe same as our individual consciousness would be
"I know I am, but I do not know what I am"
This is such an incredible experience to listen to these 2 geniuses.
I perceive we have different infornation about current events. May truth be reveaked, for all of us. 🙏
I am so disappointed in Bernardo and Ruppert’s view on politics in their dialogue on non-duality.
Doing what they feel is needed with love is better than doing it without love. Your love on this occasion is still of the kind of egoic love. You do not include everything and you have a judgment that you feel is a superior power giving you the right to judge the level of consciousness of another country.
In this instance, you seem to forget that Ukraine was engaged in killing the Russian in the Donbas for seven years and you have not uttered a single word this last seven years as something you find so impossible to come to terms with. The persecution of these people and the constant bombardment and killing that Ukraine's government engaged in were mostly silent.
Russians have the right to their own spiritual survival. The ultra-liberalism of America is not for them and frankly, many people are starting to say no to it.
Our leaders are not evolved enough to understand that their own ways of governing the world are not embraced by other evolving countries. These countries are facing their own issues with their own population and what is now arising in the world. We need a different kind of engagement. A government that can lead at the level of conscious understanding of evolutionary principles. And our place in it in a personal and collective way of being in the world- on this increasing surface of spiritual understanding.
Bernardo, you seem to make your own understanding of what is happening about you, where you are at your level of consciousness and delivering a message where not all elements are included, negated, and transcended.
Rupert is committing the same mistake.
I so wish that people at your level of spiritual understanding will not commit this error.
In love and peace.
@@joc4021 I agree. I have not often heard Rupert speak of politics in the way that he has in this video. No mention of Palestine or Yemen, American foreign policy or any of the other atrocities that are taking place. I was most surprised at the political stance of the both of them
@@zachdogar9590 So do I. The road to full self-realisation is not for the faint of heart. The method of include, negate and transcend must be very precise especially, when we start to sense a trans-egoic self wanting to express one's truer nature.
@@joc4021 I couldn't disagree more. You obviously don't know what your talking about. They hit the politics right on the button. My soul agreed with them 💯.
@@Zen_Student_1111 of course there is the politics on both side.
Simon is a good interviewer. He let the both debate freely, but also kept them focused on the subject.
I have to say, it's interesting how we can be led to intensely dislike someone we have never met simply based on the media narratives that are fed to us. And something I keep coming back to is that really great spiritual people can also be very misinformed about the things going on in the world. Nevertheless, this conversation is gold
I agree
Exactly😢
It was pretty disappointing to listen to that. I guess Palestine, Yemen, Syria, Donbas etc don’t deserve to live as the west 🤷🏻♀️
I fully agree with you! Really appreciate both of them and love their message but was almost a little shocked at how little nuanced they look at this current conflict. As if it actually were as easy as good vs. evil. I would have expected at least Rupert to be a bit less polemic if not pacifist all together! However can't agree on everything I guess and the rest of the conversation is great!
I love Rupert, but it was disappointing to to hear him talk about Putin in the way he did as well. I hoped to find someone who might have felt the same way I did, and there you were, along with a few who had a similar views. I pray for the innocent people and animals of both countries, but this type of war has many complexities and it is hard for me to single out one person to deeply, and intensely dislike. Someone as enlightened as Rupert, it was very disappointing 😢
Hi, why do you relate to media? The fact is - without doubt - Russia invaded Ukraine. Please look up on Wikipedia how the second world war began - please really look it up and see how the story unfolded in the beginning, and what the consequences were. Yes there might be economic interests involved and media/propaganda might tell this and that on both sides, but the core issue remains. This is the reason for the reaction of the West - having that story in the back of their heads (invasion austria, blitzkrieg poland,…) - doing nothing would have similar catastrophical consequences - as they said in the talk: “If they get away with everything, they will do everything.” We have historical proof for that. Besides that - I think they discussed it pretty well.
Great to hear them talking about current affairs. Violence, war, and megalomania are not to be tolerated unless we want to live in a hell on earth. Thank you for speaking on this Rupert.
Its Incredible how Bernardo has reached this level of understanding through the mind and science.
I have followed Rupert’s work for years, but this is the first time I’ve encountered Bernardo. I just bought his most recent book. I would hope they would co-author a book sometime! It would be amazing and expose each of their followings to each other.
I didn't realize there was going to be a part 2 a very awesome surprise. A wonderful continuation. 🙏❤
Great job Simon! You did just right by letting these guys dialogue uninterruptedly.
When Christ said " love others as thySelf , He wasn't talking in an ' idealistic ' way - He was stating the Truth of non separation. 🕊️🕉️
I hear Spira saying that we should treat animals the way we would like to be treated but Putin should be taken out. What's that all about? Is that intended to be integral to his idealism?
It's just proof that he's intellectually lazy.
I was hoping that this would materialize on my dashboard soon! Thank you for allowing a second conversation; priceless!
Your anger towards another is still a reflection of your own issue to deal with something effectively
Totally agree with Bernard. Our lives are not our own. Thank you for that.
So why do we act like it is?
@@michaelg1569 conditioning maybe?
At about minute 40 I absolutely fell in love with Bernardo. I was already head over heels for Rupert. So much gratitude for their humble manner of carrying us to a place of oneness through their eloquent expressions of Truth. Valeu, Bernardo! Gratidäo! Deep thanks, Rupert!
A message for Bernardo and JaCha (below): Consider there may be no "getting completely there", no point at which one can say "ah, now I'm fully enlightened", but rather only an endless deeping of understanding, and you have "arrived" at every point along the way, never to stay there. (Maybe being enlightened is just a silly idea.) Being sensitive to suffering and injustice and feeling unrest while that is going on, is no sign of a shallow understanding of the nature of reality, and there can never be a complete understanding either, in my view. We are where we are in our individual and collective ripening. While we may admire a beautiful, ripe, juicy fruit and recognize ours is a little greener, being green is as necessary as being ripe. Forgetting about getting to the next stage, may help things flow along.
Thank you friends, for your generosity. These conversations are a treat for us all.
Not sure I'm understanding what you are meaning here. I don't think I mentioned getting to the next stage of anything...not certain if Bernardo did either. For me, there is no "next stage" no "getting anywhere." This is it. Enlightenment is merely the understanding and realization of who you are beyond the ego/person and living life from that perspective. We are where we are in our individual ripening...that's true. But either we "ripen" as an unconscious aspect of ourselves...through a lack of understanding of the nature of reality, or we "ripen" through grasping the bigger picture. The bigger picture is that we are all ONE. Sometimes we don't feel this unity, but just because we don't always feel it, does not negate the reality of it. Thanks for sharing your message here.
@@jacha1474 Hi JaCha! So nice to talk about these matters. Thank you for clarifying your perspective. I guess from your words I felt what I interpreted as something like disappointment at not feeling unity. Maybe I misinterpreted you both. It felt something like wanting to feel unity and that the felt sense of unity hasn't come to you yet... or that you don't always feel it all the times. Also, in Bernardo's words I had heard some kind of longing for peace which he says he doesn't often feel. I was speaking to that. When I spoke of the next stage, I meant like the next stage of personal development wherein one might feel more at peace, have a deeper understanding and feel more at one with everything. It seems to me that longing for peace can help propel us towards it (to set us off on a journey seeking it until eventually we may stop looking outwardly), but I notice that the longing for it can also get in the way at times and in some cases it's helpful to let go of our ideas of how it should be. I must have simply misunderstood your words. I meant no undermining of your understanding of enlightenment. It got me to thinking though... (now I see it musn't be true of you and maybe not Bernardo either), I thought to myself... if a person who had an idea of what unity was supposed to feel like actually felt it, would that person be able to recognize it, if the actual feeling of unity wasn't like their idea of how it should feel? Maybe they were feeling it already and not realizing it because it wasn't as extraordinary as they imagined?
@@nataliciosa Yes, Natalia...very nice indeed! Okay, I get ya now. Because we're part human, we experience life through our feelings. Thank goodness, because if we didn't have them, we'd be robots. (That doesn't mean we should lose ourselves in them, however.) But, you're right on several issues here....for those who don't quite grasp what awareness and the nature of reality is all about yet. In 2010, I wrote a book, "The Next Level...a Journey of Spiritual Awakening through Physics and Other Sciences." In it, I explained my spontaneous feeling of ONENESS with the universe...for a short period...and how I tried desperately to get that feeling back...ultimately learning to let go and live my awareness through that experience and through my understanding of the nature of reality. There are many modern day teachers/gurus who tout a "felt" sense of unity...being one with God & Nature" and how to "feel" connected. And their subjects...especially the new ones, long for this felt sense of connection. Although Bernardo, in another talk, did feel this unity...through the use of LSD, it was refreshing to hear him point out that, feelings aside, a conceptual understanding is also an "avenue" if you will, to live life from a unified perspective...as opposed to an individual one. But...the experience and feeling of ONENESS is extraordinary. It's life changing. Sometimes you can experience this through psychedelics (like Ram Dass did...which changed his life forever.) Sometimes spontaneously (like I did...which changed my life forever.) And sometimes gradually...through, meditation and understanding. But you're right....it's probably nothing like you would imagine it to be. It's beyond what takes place in the mind. :-)
@@jacha1474 Hello again, nice to greet you. I hear what you are saying and know what you are referring to. I sometimes wonder if that intense and all encompassing feeling of oneness (like a kiss from God) is actually sustainable throughout our daily activities. I tend to think not. It seems to be natural that the feeling should fade a little into the background so that we can tend to what is before us in our daily lives. I don't suggest that we can "lose contact with it", or that it's something other than ourselves that we can lose touch with (though at first, the more intellectual processes of the mind seem to give us the impression that we have lost touch with it), but we can't seem to always be entirely engulfed by the feeling. I would say it's too all encompassing and we are not able to do anything else so we simply can't maintain it all the time while we are living human beings. It seems to me we must have one foot in heaven and one foot on earth, if you get my meaning haha. In my view, the one-foot-in-heaven-and-one-foot-on-earth experience is quite common, and even felt by everyone at times. I think the felt sense of unity occurs naturally when we appreciate beauty, or fill up with affection, also when we are in creative processes, or flowing - becoming involved with an activity to the point of not thinking, forgetting oneself and time, or losing the distinction between me and what is going on. I would say these experiences are quite extraordinary, though we tend not to see them that way, and we may tend to seek to more exotic God's Kiss experience haha. The God's Kiss experience is life changing without question, but it is not necessary in order to feel a deep sense of unity, in my opinion. Once we become aware and understand these things more deeply over time, there is no getting away from that felt sense of unity, even if it feels subtler than a Kiss from God haha.
You are absolutely correct in everything you’ve written here. The key, however, is “becoming aware.” Not many of us are. I appreciate Rupert and Bernardo because they speak about awareness from two different perspectives…science and spirituality…which for me…starting out as a non spiritual person…lead to the same conclusion of unity. Thank you for taking the time to comment. Jan
the explanation of need to use force sometimes speaks also to what Putin is doing. He also feels like force is required, and I'm sure he would say he has "tried many times" but with no luck, like a parent warning a child 4 times - the 5th time he had to use force. I'm obviously not flagging Putin's case, I'm trying to hold up the mirror I see.
I love the conversation, thank you for this sharing, it is deep and at a level that I crave or I could say a level that I am immensely grateful to have the privileged to watch.
In my own life, this understanding has permeated my experience with peace, joy, love, freedom and authenticity.
I love how Bernardo brought about the topic of the sense of mystery of life and how this has been lost in our actual society. The sense of mystery, the wonderment about existence. The felt sense of awe and wonder of the mystery of life. I love the talk about the mystery and the felt sense of being a kid in kermes. In my own experience, there is a feeling of wonderment about the beauty of life, a sense of playfulness, the magic of being here experiencing existence. The game of life living itself through me, being a person, going to work, driving a car, looking at a plant, eating an olive. That existence existing through us as an “individual” body/mind. Individuality alone for me was very dry, and very hard to live with and I experienced a sense of having lost something very important, a sense of something being really wrong. But individuality coupled with the knowing of our shared being has brought back the sense of love, peace and joy that I longed for all of my life and with it, the felt sense that being here, existing is the most magical wonderful thing that can happen. The fact that there is existence, to connect to that mystery of life is a doorway to the sense of being alive deeply. The aliveness and the simple joy of being. And from a deeper perspective, seeing, knowing or understanding that consciousness knows itself as itself only, from that perspective, nothing ever happens, there is only being or awareness of being, and even deeper, nothingness.
The mastery in which they put that into words is also astonishing and I can’t thank them enough for doing so publicly, we need it.
I also wanted to reflect about labels and what we do in the world. I felt compelled to share that nature expresses itself through me as “life coaching,“ in the moment, although “my“ life coaching is informed by the knowing of our shared being. I know that Bernardo was not judgmental about any activity and I totally get what he was saying when mentioning that often life is about “me” and how to be a better “me”. The label “life coaching,“ is assigned to “my“ activity instead of friend or spiritual “something”. But what goes on in a session is the meeting of reality through our shared being and the “transmission” of the “unconditional love and total freedom” of our true nature. What speaks through “me” is to the best of my ability, Truth. And words are clumsy, this is not to say that it is not what is going on in any activity, it is just to open the discussion about how an activity might seem to be about the me person becoming a better person but in fact it might not be.
I also feel that the field of life coaching is evolving from a transactional coaching to a more, “transformational“ or deep coaching, more towards being and less towards doing.
I also love the talk about the need of force and that hiding in doing nothing about situations that are limiting freedom and love is a reaction or the ego. That stopping evil can be done as Truth and that the absolute does not mean to hide behind some concept about it. Sometimes it means enforcing law and stopping evil even though this evil is nature expressing itself as that limiting of nature itself.
Thank you and I hope to see more of these conversations. And I also want to say that Simon is playing a crucial role in bringing these conversations to life, so thank you Simon.
It's a real pleasure to listen to both of you guys.
So glad to finally hear part 2!
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices is this a hypothetical question? If you are genuinely asking me, I'd say Bernardo and Rupert wouldn't claim either title.
Simon, Rupert, and Bernardo I hope there will be a part 3.
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices No title is needed.
I am seeing the comments of Ukraine and Putin as being very shortsighted and unclear. The situation is very different from the way Rupert and Bernado see it. But I am taking it and all involved, including Putin and NATO, Rupert and Bernado higher into the realm of the Spirit of Love where we are all One 💛🌟
Everything happens in All-There-Is, Ising; both dual and non-dual.
So wonderful! I’m there with you, Rupert and Bernardo. Thanks for all you do for us. You’re true Bodhisattvas.❤
Very grateful for these conversations!
🙏☯️💙
It is a pleasure to listen to this discussion, gentlemen. The perceptions you (each of you) shared with us also flow within my experience, and sometimes the energy compels me to write poetry even though I do not think of myself as a poet. They may also come through visually as symbolic equations, and I am certainly not a mathematician. Thus, I connect with the mystery of which Bernado speaks. I wrote this poem in 2013 and titled it The Essence. May we, all beings, be blessed with the felt sense of deep love for the 'field' of Consciousness in which we are all light portals. I hope you enjoy it.
the essence
join with me in the essence of darkness
luxurious black canvas forming the womb of love
the essence of your kiss touches the earth within me
you remind me that I am the reason you dance this world
so that you may behold me
and give a kiss to my sweet lips
as life on earth is born
become Krsna and play your flute for me
blow your soft wind kisses over me
together we will dance the notes of love
dancing wind kisses within the dark space
where stellar lights shine
i am a beautiful vessel, like your flute
responsive to your touch
receptive to your moods
desiring to give shape to the melodies of our love
melodies of sound and silence
heart and soul
rhythmically opening and closing light portals
upon the dark canvas of love
the essence, the essence*
is love, is love*
the essence, the essence*
is our love, our love*
*the repeated phrase is meant to be read or heard as a soft echo
I had to come back to this podcast again. I'm so obsessed. Implications are profound.
That there people like this, the people who are in this video, in the world, gives hope.
I am overwhelmed with gratitude. I loved the conversation and learned a lot.
Golly, the beginning of this conversation confused me, mixing geopolitics with the spirit - I thought of the Dalai Lama
I did not get around to commenting on the first conversation between these two great sages, but I must say now that it was a wonderful, wonderful conversation, and I very much look forward to hearing this one, once I find a quiet time to give it my full attention.
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices No, I do mean "great sages" Why don´t you take your pills and lie down, you´ll soon feel better.
Makse sure you take the time to do it; it’s advanced thinking, but insanely important wisdom being shared here ❤️
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
@@hyperduality2838 Yes.
Duality is birthed from non-duality - still, the non-duality is the source/ foundation/ the deepest depth, from which all else is born.
It at least seems that way, so far
@@elektrotehnik94 I am using physics and mathematics to demonstrate patterns of duality hardwired into reality.
Absolute truth is dual to relative truth -- Hume's fork.
Energy is duality, duality is energy -- the 5th law of thermodynamics or the conservation of duality, Generalized duality.
Potential energy is dual to kinetic energy -- gravitational energy is dual.
Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein.
Dark energy is dual to dark matter.
Electro is dual to magnetic -- electro-magnetic energy is dual.
Everything in physics is made out of energy and hence everything must be dual including entropy!
A dual process to that of increasing entropy is by definition the 4th law of thermodynamics.
The observed is dual to the observer -- David Bohm.
Thesis (God) is dual to the anti-thesis (the Christ Consciousness) creates the converging thesis or synthesis of the holy spirit or the mind/soul -- the time independent Hegelian dialectic.
God (non duality or the absolute) is dual to man (duality or the relative, physics).
Being is dual to non-being creates becoming -- Plato.
Concept are dual to percepts -- the mind duality of Immanuel Kant.
Sources (white hole) are dual to sinks (black hole).
God is actually a dual concept.
This conversation is Non-Duality lived: they are walking the talk with Loving Kindness. Thank you so much ❤❤❤
I just LOVE these deep conversations. Thank you sooo much 🙏🏻 I feel the truth behind every Word.Such good pointers 😍 I think we swim in the same pool. ❤️ Love from Sweden 🇸🇪
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
The value of a class increases not only with the excellence of the Teacher, but very much with the quality of of the Pupil too! Please go on with this Masterpieces. I’m “growing” with your line of thinking!!
(I found Vedanta through serious Yoga classes. Through Vedanta I found Deepak, then he “introduced me” to Rupert and Rupert to Bernardo. What wonderful “coincidences”!)
Having been a soldier in battles, I asked a Geshe the question, "what about killing others?". He did not hesitate to answer: "If it must be done then do it with compassion."
After decades of developing a relationship with emptiness, (which is alive), for me, Compassion naturally arose from the practice of abiding in the direct perception of pure Spaciousness.
The dishes will always be there. de oppresso liber
If the whole world would allow themselves to witness these talks between beings that shine light on truth/THAT. The unmanifest, unknown, & indescribable to the best Awareness can become aware of itself ultimately💟☮️
Rupert (in case you read this), Byron Katie once told a dear little story …
There once was held a big council in heaven, where all the angels of all the heavens came to hear … and God asks for a certain job to be done … and when the angels heard this - they all shrank back … in horror … and fright ...
And after aeons and aeons of lifetimes … finally … one angel showed up … and said “YES!” … “I’m gonna be THAT one, to be the Hitler on this Earth!”.
I do NOT know … and NOTHING is as it seems (that’s at least MY story).
There is one thing Rupert says that I don't agree with. He says that the experience of being or "I AM-ness" is the only experience that is not based on thought or perceptions but the truth is that for that experience of being to happen there has to be a body involved, it is this the reason that when we sleep deeply the Sense of Being disappears.
It's weird for me to say, but I think I love Rupert.
This dialog is absolutely fantastic. Gratitude and kudos to all involved. 😍
This is so enormously surprising, to a point of shocking perhaps, to see that these enormously evolved minds and hearts, still fall victim to this obvious kind of selective outrage. At first I was disappointed, but immediately thereafter realized we 're all simply human. That's what we are. And that's so wonderfully okay.
It would be OK had they at least acknowledged that they were falling short of the ideal, as indeed we all do. The disappointing thing to me is the way that it was portrayed as being consistent with the non-dual understanding. It isn’t!
We are not human really xd
@@mangelwurzel476 what specifically are you referring to?
Well put!
feel so fortunate to be able to listen inn
thank You!
Ruperts smile is so infectious
This is a joy. Thank you for doing a second one. It's all wonderful, with the exception of something VERY chilling. I'd invite both Rupert and Bernardo to transcribe their own language about freedom, force, fear and Ukraine and subject it to a close analytical comparison to the language of political leaders of different orientation. These abstractions map extremely well onto language around Bush's invasion of Iraq, to some of Putin's language, and to a lot of fundamentalist Christians. The more abstract and "spiritual" the language, the more it all sounds the same - and the more easily it can be used to both incite and retroactively justify violence. Motivated reasoning works the same no matter what the spiritual altitude it comes from. Do you think it might be safer to... stay in your lane?
I am too excited about this 🥰🥳🙏🏻
I only had to look up a couple of things here, lol. I primarily followed this discussion and got some true value here. Think I need to listen to this again. My first time hearing Bernardo who's mind is far beyond mine here. Trying to imagine having the insight he did as a child watching his father playing himself at chess. Brilliant minds bringing great illumination.
Wonderful discussion. Self enquiry and empirical study nicely interwoven by speakers to help listeners understand the Reality and overcome the 'seeming ' reality syndrome. By the way Rupert is my favorite thinker-philosopher in the West as a Vedantin.
Brahman (creation) is dual to Shiva (destruction) synthesizes reality (Vishnu).
Being is dual to non-being creates becoming -- Plato.
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
So happy for another episode. Thank you!
I imagine The sigh that Rupert does before he says something is because of having to explain something that can’t be explained
There is 'no one' to express unity. There is no one to experience whatever 'is', except from the illusory perspective of a separate self. You could both release referring to each other's ego or separate self in a apparent context like this.
This 2nd conversation is so fulfilling! Thank you thank you thank you 🙏
thanks to all for this excellent contribution.
Another amazing conversation. Thank you 🙏
I believe that each and every one of us in whatever life form we are, are living this life experience for our own personal growth.
I believe that all life is a form of God, of the source, of consciousness, whatever you want to call the ultimate greatness. All life is a manifestation of consciousness, so in other words, we are all God living a life experience.
I believe that we all go back to the place or state that we all came from before we manifested.
I agree with Rupert that love is the energy that we need to "try" to guide us in our daily challenges.
Although we are the same, we are here in this life experience as unique individuals; an experience that God is experiencing through us.
So the awareness and importance of not judging others are paramount to trying to live in love. We don't understand or know what is really going on with Putin. We have our own personal beliefs, but that does not make them a reality, it's just our own personal beliefs and understanding. Hence the importance of realizing that Putin is also a manifestation of God and we don't understand why he is what he is or why he is being driven to do what he is doing, but he is still from, and of God.
Maybe our eternal individual souls are on a constant evolutionary journey of gaining deeper knowing consciousness with each life we live. Maybe Putin's soul has to learn important lessons from his experiences in this life for his own evolutionary journey's growth.
Rupert
Would you please comment with same passion on , Siria , Afghanistan, Hiroshima , Yugoslavia , Iraq ?
Thank you
Vengeance can sometimes be a good thing. It often gives me a warm feeling all over!
From the Hebrew Scriptures: "Vengeance is mine says the Lord (YHVH - the Abrahamic "God"). I disagree with that, after all, that "God" supports the institution of slavery in Leviticus.
Gentlemen what wonderful discussion.
Thanks 🙏 I appreciate you time 👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏
There are few people in the world I respect as much as Rupert and Bernardo. However, I dare to disagree that the statement "to allow a totalitarian dictator to use the threat of total annihilation in the form of nuclear war is almost as detrimental to the expression of nature as nuclear war" is a little exaggeration. By not allowing the former we may cause the latter and isn't risking total annihilation as bad as total annihilation?
Congratulations Simon, for making possible this magnificent talk. MORE, PLEASE! 🙏
Truly delicious! Yes to a trilogy for this meeting of finite minds as One💜🌟
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
The best Channel I ever subscribed to!! ❤ 💯
Thank you so much for these conversations, changing my life.
What’s the point of being enlightened if you remain constrained to walk between the lines of the dominant political narrative of your society? I thought a natural outcome of enlightenment is becoming an individual free of one’s cultural conditioning; the one who seeks truth and values justice. I didn’t see any of it in this talk. The person whom Rupert disliked so much is in fact revered by his nation and his actions are justified under the social conditions of those people.
What an intelligent and articulate comment! Glad to see that my husband and myself are not the only ones disappointed in the trajectory of this discussion around Ukraine, the outcome of which leaves us precisely at the point where we started, mired in the violence inherent in the dualism from which we had hoped to escape.
Rupert believes there is a 'sacred outrage' that requires sometimes opposition.
@@Misslotusification Opposition doesn’t necessarily equate to force or violence.
Conflict, tension, stress = energy in Einstein's theory of General Relativity, energy is duality, duality is energy.
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
I'm a bit sobered that Rupert, too, is taken in by the one-sidedness of media and political proclamations and doesn't succeed in allowing himself to see things from East to West. Every perspective has its truth.
Absolutely Precious 🙏❤️
"What I am suggesting doesn't imply that force is not sometime required. I think it is. You don't smile sweetly at people like Putin.., But then if it doesn't work (the diplomacy)..most stringent measures are necessary in service of truth, peace, love, justice.. and sometime force is necessary..."
Forgive me if I did not take it as lightly as the other watchers and commenters but I am so in shock and disbelief of what I've just heard from the mouth of a so called non-dual spiritual teacher whom I've loved and respected and followed for some time. Krishnamurti is turning in his grave hearing that force and so violence are necessary in service of truth, peace and love.I know Rupert doesn't claim he is enlightened but still the teaching of love and compassion is the basic of all teachings without which everything else no matter how enlightened it sounds it means absolutely nothing! Speaking about non-duality in duality without understanding true love and compassion is pointless and dangerous. Yes, when Jesus said "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also" he really meant it. Love is complete forgiveness and total surrender to the present moment and this is the only way we can turn war, violence and suffering into peace, understanding and happiness.
Coming back to duality, it doesn't really matter that things are not so black and white. that he have no idea about the geopolitical situation, that force=brutal war, killing and more suffering in this situation and that he sounds like any other MSM journalist or even worse like a politician... I began to have my doubts about him when he blindly aligned with the official vaccination enforcement requiring proof of vaccination for participating in his retreats. And now this, which I can't get over anymore. Too much ignorance and delusion for a spiritual teacher.
Well said. I was also disappointed at Rupert's comment on the Ukraine situation. He didn't seem to know the truth of it. Ukraine is the hub of the Cabal and the Russian military went there to destroy the bio labs that were going to release deadly virus(es) to the world.
I agree with you about Ukraine but not about the vaccination situation.
I’m reminded of Richard Bach’s metaphorical story of the great crystal river and all the creatures clinging to the twigs and rocks as their way of life, as they’d learned from birth. The current sweeps silently over them knowing only it’s crystal self. One tired and bored creature decides to trust the river, to let go, and free himself.
Aside from my other comment, I'd like to add that this interview is largely inspirational. The coming together of the philosophical logical path and mystical experiential path is well in order. I've ascended in life from what I mentioned below (strict dogmatic and dualistic fundamentalism) to a non-dual vision of interconnected Reality.
And in a non-dual Reality, it's not possible that the logical and experiential paths should ever be separate and not united. That separated sentiment goes against the very foundational premise of non-duality.
We should see science, philosophy, and mystical experience as one interconnected unity of multidisciplinary understanding across the board. And that is what goes into a newer version of Idealism that I have named, "Hermetic Idealism." Which embraces Analytic Idealism and Mathematical Idealism. As well as the experiential path.
When I get my own TH-cam Channel running for "The Hermetic Order of 21st Century Idealist's," I would very much like to book you (Rupert Spira) for interviews. And collaborate with Bernardo Kastrup and Donald Hoffman with myself moderating. So that the four of us together can further explore the coming together of the scientific, philosophical, and experiential paths and the audiences of each.
I can already tell by the title that this is gunna be a fun one! Thanks!
I have only listened 25 minutes and it is so interesting... 😍 I wanted to say thank you to the three of you. 😊
🙏🏽 I know that we are all one. ❤
The more you hear and “digest” the more you’ll experiment how ONE we are. Do yourself the privilege of listening to the whole conversation! It’s a gem!
@@isabelmorais9430 😊 Thank you, Isabel. 🙏🏼
It s really beautiful to think of it that way: The physical space and the mental space are one. Moving through the physical space Is equal to shifting "our" consciousness. From the point of view of the consciousness we are literally moving the mountains sec by sec. Thank you for this amazing and truly inspirational exchange of thoughts! 😀❤
Non duality implies duality, which means that there is a 4th law of thermodynamics:-
From a convergent, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality creates reality!
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Idealism is dual to materialism -- substance dualism.
Noumenal (rational, analytic) is dual to phenomenal (empirical, synthetic) -- Immanuel Kant.
Homology is dual to co-homology -- topology.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic or convergent process -- homology.
Increasing the the number of dimensions or states is an entropic or divergent process -- co-homology.
Differentiation (reductionism, entropic) is dual to integration (holism, syntropic).
Convergence (syntropy) is dual to divergence (entropy).
Action is dual to reaction -- Sir Isaac Newton (the duality of force).
Attraction is dual to repulsion, push is dual to pull -- forces are dual.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
This is truly brilliant! So grateful for their perspectives....
Really enjoyed these two conversations, thank you Rupert, Bernado and Simon … except the discussion around the Ukraine issue, it was disappointing for me that it was coloured by the mainstream narrative, there are at least two sides to the story and a little investigation into the situation opens a wider perspective, for anyone who is interested in what is true and what is propaganda, a clearly dualistic view about the good guys and the bad guys ... internal awakening goes hand in hand with external awakening
With Rolf, I agree that there are at least two sides to the story. The conversation around Ukraine - which was being an example of a situation when push back force might be justified or even demanded - missed that Russia is pushing back for just this reason.
@@WakingUpToday213 exactly, Russia is pushing back for that reason … also, i find the hypocrisy astonishing when the world just watched when the US ‚administration‘ invaded numerous countries for decades .. to allegedly install ‚democracy‘ .. don‘t want to get into politics or find excuses, just seeing the whole picture
These two are just so damn fascinating. Two brilliant minds.