How to Patina Copper

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    This short video covers the basics of DIY Copper Patina. I happen to be using these sheets of patina'ed copper for bird houses but the possibilities of this process are pretty endless. I have always wondered how to patina copper and after learning the process I am happy to share it with the masses.
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  • @TXrapidracer
    @TXrapidracer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Another way that I have seen work within a few minutes is to lightly scrub them down with Comet, rinse, lightly coat them with salt, then pour peroxide on them. It works within minutes. Great job!

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh that's neat, I didn't read that technique. What I find so interesting about patina is all the different ways and methods produce different colors.

    • @deew_knird_reeb_ekomS
      @deew_knird_reeb_ekomS 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@AprilWilkersonMy neighbor and I have been using salt and different vinegars to patina sheets of copper flashing and they are absolutely mesmerizing to look at.

  • @robertlyle6277
    @robertlyle6277 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This works great - thank you!
    One tip - varnish has an amber cast to it - that’s why your project turned green. Next time, try spray lacquer or spray clear enamel.
    Thanks again!

  • @oceanmartin670
    @oceanmartin670 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just venturing into copper/leather jewelry, your's was the BEST instructions I have seen yet! thanks.

  • @Grimjau
    @Grimjau 8 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    i work a lot with acid. so i can give you an important tip. use every time mask and safety glasses. your lungs and eyes will thank you. Sorry for my english, is not my mother language.

  • @LivefreeanddiyTv
    @LivefreeanddiyTv 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've done some patinas in the past, but never with ammonia. I love the look, thanks for sharing this tip!

  • @laurakampf
    @laurakampf 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the patina is super outstanding! well done april!

  • @GetHandsDirty
    @GetHandsDirty 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This was really cool and simple procedure! Thanks a lot for sharing it :)

  • @gb8269
    @gb8269 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i really love the aesthetic of the patina, i just never knew it was this easy!

  • @BradleyMakesThings
    @BradleyMakesThings 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really love that patina! Especially the bluer color ahead of time. Super gorgeous! Going to have to play with the copper sheet I've got in the shop. Go you!

  • @GregNielsen
    @GregNielsen 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I darken or patina my copper I use Atlas rubber/clothe gloves, that way it keeps the oil from your hands off the copper and the chemicals away from your hands. They also keep the copper from tarnishing from the oils from your hands. With the humidity in Texas, it could tarnish copper over night.
    I enjoy watching you expand your talent to new things. Keep up the great work!
    Greg Nielsen
    Copper Tech Construction, Inc.

  • @mark1952able
    @mark1952able 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info! Tried it and was amazed how good it came out! Thanks!

  • @WayneBrownWoodworking
    @WayneBrownWoodworking 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow April, they look amazing! 10 years of weathering in 1 day. Way cool!

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Wayne. : ) I want to do this to so many things now, I think it's really cool as well.

  • @bransonhauntedhills
    @bransonhauntedhills 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am new to patina but have been rusting things for years for our haunted house. I am ready to play with some patina now! I am going back to watch your birdhouse video.

  • @neonpike
    @neonpike 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thats great thanks , ive been preparing to experiment with different substances to get the verdgris but your method works fine

  • @mjremy2605
    @mjremy2605 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very lovely effect, thank you, April! Looks gorgeous.
    Spar Varnish is more UV resistant than Spar Urethane.
    Wax coating on the roof after the seal coat dries, makes water roll off, and bird droppings not stick.
    For those who need a simpler technique, there are copper reactive paints made by Craig and Rose in UK, and Modern Masters series in the US. Modern Masters is the special effect paint used by film studios in Los Angeles. They carry every silver, gold, pewter, copper, and pearly shade. These are acrylic paints like Latex house paints, a plastic emulsion, suitable for wood, plaster, drywall, metal, etc. If you have a plaster relief piece, and use their aging bronze or copper patina paint, it looks very realistic, like an old bronze piece.

  • @danieldelapena8369
    @danieldelapena8369 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    this also works nicely on brass. I did this to a zippo lighter i have and i love it

  • @Makebuildmodify
    @Makebuildmodify 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video April, I didn't know it was that easy to create a patina on copper.

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was shocked at how easy it was. : ) There are so many cool things I want to do with this now.

    • @Makebuildmodify
      @Makebuildmodify 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +April Wilkerson Yes, It's now on my list of things to try. Thanks for the inspiration!

  • @ChrisMarvinTV
    @ChrisMarvinTV 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Woah, I was literally googling how to patina when I got the notification saying you uploaded this video. Thanks for the video!

  • @tiffanyjohnson3110
    @tiffanyjohnson3110 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Turned out pretty cool April. 👍👍

  • @onjofilms
    @onjofilms 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love that color, it's like a turquoise.

  • @MeltinMetalAnthony
    @MeltinMetalAnthony 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice work! Your helping me with a upcoming ornamental gate project!

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome! I bet it'll look great.

  • @terilooney
    @terilooney 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful effect. Thanks for sharing.

  • @jpdenat1
    @jpdenat1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello > A friend of mine mixed salt with amonia and then spayed > ended up with a very uniform green > pretty cool . Your technique is very nice too!!! Lovely

  • @WildmanTech
    @WildmanTech 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I heard you talking about this on the podcast. Do some research and you'll be surprised at some of the compounds people use to get patina. Great work!

  • @anyarossa-quade5609
    @anyarossa-quade5609 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a great tutorial. Thank you!

  • @severinhedge3893
    @severinhedge3893 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm making an apocalyptic character for my games course this video has been really helpfu. I can now make my characters armour look more old and scrap looking.

  • @Side-Quest-Workshop
    @Side-Quest-Workshop 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    That. Is. GORGEOUS. I need to try this!

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes! There are so many things you can do with it. : )

  • @DonDegidio
    @DonDegidio 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi April,
    Nice colors for the patina. I'm beginning to believe there's nothing you can't do. :-)

  • @growgrowing
    @growgrowing 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks they look fantastic

  • @scottybarnett3957
    @scottybarnett3957 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that thank you for teaching me a skill.
    To continue The rustic look use bronze finished screws instead of nickel plated

  • @arkansas1313
    @arkansas1313 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent results!
    I always liked building eyebrow dormers and bay windows with copper roofs for an exterior accent, especially with wood shake roof homes.
    Add some copper to your home or shop as an outdoor project.
    ....13

  • @leisuresuitlarry1777
    @leisuresuitlarry1777 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool, I have seen a few folks that have videos similar but i like this one best. The sanding is the best part. :O)

  • @Glassed_in_Nature
    @Glassed_in_Nature 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    So glad you made this video I been wondering how to do this for years

    • @Namtov
      @Namtov 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +joels outdoor vlog He He, when you started wondering, you should have placed some copper sheets outside, and the regular peed on them. Does the job too. :-)

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's pretty simple!

  • @johnsmithy9304
    @johnsmithy9304 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just a cliff note on holding patina you can do it with a multitude of products bird feeder I would use bees wax . Vehicle or home boiled linseed oil in spay bottle (RAGS CAN COMBUST WITH NO IGNITION) linseed oil must be applied every year like Thompson water seal but for metal. You don't need a chamber you can apply amonia or vinegar vinager takes 48 hours outside in sun spray every two hours.

  • @Oplix
    @Oplix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video

  • @johnesposito4197
    @johnesposito4197 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    April, very nice. If you would brass screws for the roof, you could patina them too.

  • @stevesurfaro
    @stevesurfaro 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful - I am going to try this with a copper pen!

  • @zarnachheda5359
    @zarnachheda5359 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    love it, great video!

  • @dianedebaun
    @dianedebaun 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool, and lovely! I wonder if sprayed with clear acrylic if the blue would stay, like the green also.

  • @WoodenCreationz
    @WoodenCreationz 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that color! Cool vid!

  • @timthompson3817
    @timthompson3817 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome job!

  • @Yourtrashmytreasure
    @Yourtrashmytreasure 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing as usual

  • @photojnt
    @photojnt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video will help me in making my copper pipe lamp for the lady. Thank you!

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad I could help! Thanks for watching.

    • @photojnt
      @photojnt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AprilWilkerson which works better, iodized salt or reg sea salt?

  • @cheliae8560
    @cheliae8560 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful!!! Thank you!

  • @mkrbrkr
    @mkrbrkr 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ammonia fumes are also a good way to darken brass!

  • @Cmxx1v
    @Cmxx1v 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very neat! You can buy copper at any roofing suppliers.

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I called about 9 different local stores and everybody said there was only one supplier of sheet metal in the metroplex and that was in Dallas. : ) So I made the hike to go grab some.

  • @WoodFlipWorkshop
    @WoodFlipWorkshop 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really sure i will use you technique in a future project. Thanks for the good explained video ! Would usual kitchen salt work as well ?

  • @teristeinborn4872
    @teristeinborn4872 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    April, your patina turned out beautifully! I am curious though, did both sides color for you? I did the exact same thing and a couple pieces did yet, others didn't. I thought that was rather odd~~~

  • @RobertoCecchi
    @RobertoCecchi 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE THIS!

  • @preetpalsk
    @preetpalsk 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those are some fancy birds you have

  • @firedesignguy
    @firedesignguy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like fun. Brass screws or maybe copper nails might not stand out as much but they still look good. You can get copper sheets on Amazon.

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think I'll try copper nails! I didn't know they existed or I would have picked them up at the same time I bought the sheets. : )

  • @ricosuave5120
    @ricosuave5120 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome vid!

  • @hansdegroot8549
    @hansdegroot8549 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice patina.

  • @ahmedabdulAziem
    @ahmedabdulAziem 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm really hate this colour every day facing patina in the refinery and try to protect the copper from rusted and so easy you love it :D

  • @ifell3
    @ifell3 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your workshop, lucky person ^^

  • @keeperofthegood
    @keeperofthegood 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You get good protection from the patina, the green/blue nature of many copper salts is a function of water hydration. There is another reason for using either brass or copper screws or nails (the copper nails should be in the plumbing section). Easy route is to say look up "galvanic corrosion", but the skinny is, dissimilar metals will rot each other.

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      : ) Thanks for explaining. I'm on the hunt for copper nails!

  • @Retroweld
    @Retroweld 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thats really cool.

  • @raullcalzadilla3541
    @raullcalzadilla3541 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a way to preservice or seal the patina? Clear coating maybe? Thanks for the great video!

  • @burcutezcan7584
    @burcutezcan7584 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, thank you!

  • @zephyrgreyhaven2830
    @zephyrgreyhaven2830 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    To try to better preserve the verdigris it may be interesting to experiment making a few different mixtures of sealant from linseed / stand oil, other types of varnish and maybe some turpentine or another solvent. Maybe even an intermediate layer of clear acrylic spray.

  • @MDFRESCUER
    @MDFRESCUER 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I first saw the thumbnail of that previous video I was asking myself, why do you put there such an old copper sheet... As a wanted efect it seems to be good idea and very convincing efect for garnishing.

  • @Cactusworkshopchannel
    @Cactusworkshopchannel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesom look!!

  • @TheUnlikeGuy
    @TheUnlikeGuy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is very cool.

  • @palabraraberep5509
    @palabraraberep5509 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mashallah the blue copper is beautiful

  • @michaelnowak4078
    @michaelnowak4078 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    YES. GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @JohnBare747
    @JohnBare747 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice April, love those colors. Fake copper, that sounds about right for a box store.

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right? I was so mad, I wasted three days scratching my head trying to figure out what I was doing wrong! Then I learned it wasn't real copper....psh. Haha.

  • @jodinha4225
    @jodinha4225 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'd say it's se vinegar instead of ammonia because vinegar is not toxic but does take longer for the same effect.

    • @Federico-cc7hc
      @Federico-cc7hc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi! How much longer? What kind of vinegar? Thank you!

  • @CatNolara
    @CatNolara 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can also put the copper into a container with some vinegar, maybe even put some of it on the surface. Result should look the same.

  • @RonWaller
    @RonWaller 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    April, great bird house project. Another project mom and dad can see and say "my daughter made that for me". Did you know how to do that patina process or did you look up how to do it?

  • @ronron8464
    @ronron8464 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks April! Great, useful tip. Ron, Littlewierdshop

  • @ksingleton101
    @ksingleton101 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    does it matter if you use nails or screws or would copper nails hold a patina? I'd love to see the outcome if you have any of the material left? and a few copper nails of course?

    • @digitallyhandmade3824
      @digitallyhandmade3824 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      So long as it's copper, it will hold. I would use rivets, personally.

  • @kellypatterson2537
    @kellypatterson2537 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    love it

  • @jessyvictoriorobles8024
    @jessyvictoriorobles8024 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    SO COOL!!!!

  • @sirohin1
    @sirohin1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you for sharing April. I really like all your videos and the one thing I like most is that you come up with everyday use projects that we cAn/use to accommodate our needs.
    One question I have for you is how do you sell your custom products ? I find I so hard to din clients who can appreciate my hard work and time I spend on my projects :(

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. Well I don't sell anything so I actually don't have any great advice. I don't make my living by making and selling, I make my living by building what I need and showing people how to do it.

  • @stevebrain65
    @stevebrain65 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video! I don't think the video said what you did with the spray bottle of ammonia, except for spraying the 4th piece that didn't turn out like the others. Looks like you washed the sheets, sprinkled salt, and then what? Assuming maybe you sprayed the sheets with the ammonia after salting? And also added ammonia to the bottom of the tub?

  • @stardustblue3625
    @stardustblue3625 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice! Will adding a lot of salt give a more textured effect? Like a lot of granular texture???

  • @jeremytwardowski4452
    @jeremytwardowski4452 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! I'm about to doe this for my bar back splash. I wanted to know if you have to have the vapor chamber? The piece I'm using is 2'x32" not to many tubs that large.

    • @facestabber51
      @facestabber51 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      May be a bit late but David Marks former show "Woodworks" shows a process how he soaks cheesecloth with chemicals and wrapped the copper bench legs he made.

  • @ChrisDIYerOklahoma
    @ChrisDIYerOklahoma 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done! Looks wonderful!

  • @ogenmatic
    @ogenmatic 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good vid. Thanks!
    Nitrile gloves while cleaning would ensure no oil or fingerprints.

  • @jodiecrawford258
    @jodiecrawford258 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will this work on electroformed copper? If so is it ok to put the entire item (including the items which are not fully coated) in the tank?

  • @Je-ne-suis-pas-sociable
    @Je-ne-suis-pas-sociable 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you use masking tape or painters tape to mask of areas you don't want to patina? or would the ammonia eat through the tape?

  • @thoperSought
    @thoperSought 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    that looks really great!
    I wonder what would happen if you rough the initial surface up more, and then sand back the patina lightly and repeat the process.
    I should really try this

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think this patina thing is a rabbit hole! You can easily spend weeks playing around with different combination of things. : ) It's quite fun so I agree you should try it.

    • @thoperSought
      @thoperSought 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      April Wilkerson
      yeah, I bet there are pretty much an infinite number of possibilities

  • @Tannertibs
    @Tannertibs 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you like that jaw vise you are using in this video? Use it often? Thinking of getting one, but not sure of how often I'd use it. Love your videos.

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh I love it. When I was pulling it out of the box I was thinking I wouldn't really need it but now I laugh at how much I use it. It's great and it's one of those things where, when it's around you'll find good uses for it.

  • @kraftybeard4272
    @kraftybeard4272 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great tip! Was actually planning a copper project that I wanted to age soon :)

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      How awesome, I hope it helped then!

    • @kraftybeard4272
      @kraftybeard4272 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +April Wilkerson Great help, the bluey teal colour before sealing is beautiful!

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, I read that by not spraying the ammonia directly on the copper, it will give you this blue. So clean the sheets real good then sprinkle salt and just let it hover in the fume chamber above the ammonia. If you try a different sealer and it doesn't change the color let me know!

    • @kraftybeard4272
      @kraftybeard4272 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +April Wilkerson ahh great advice, thanks! I guess it must work slower not being applied directly. Maybe a matte spray lacquer won't alter the colour so much as it shouldn't penetrate into the patina as much and will dry super quick. ideally I'd like to avoid a glossy finish :)

  • @davidwinick8021
    @davidwinick8021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pro tip...Absolutely no need to put a top coat on. the patina will not come off. I patinated half the front of a home with copper sheet. About 200 sq ft. After creating the green patina it never received anything else. It's not changed in 20 years.

    • @AprilWilkerson
      @AprilWilkerson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting! Thanks for the info. I bet it looks amazing.

  • @nyacoustics8373
    @nyacoustics8373 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you ever just tried spraying the ammonia direct on sheet without the fume chamber step? Also which seal would NOT change the color of the blue patina? ty

    • @L96Hero
      @L96Hero 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know if this seal is available in your country, but i have one called zapon spray from the brand dupli color. this one should not interfere with the color of the patina.

  • @vetterfellow
    @vetterfellow 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to admit, you know what your doing April. looks good.

  • @1702strine
    @1702strine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Patinate is the word to use.
    Patina is a noun.
    Nice, will use on my letter box.

  • @scrimon
    @scrimon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you use salt/ammonia solution? , ie, dissolve the salt in the ammonia?

  • @TheRoamingHazard
    @TheRoamingHazard 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pissing on copper works too. May sound gross but it's free and less toxic then the straight ammonia.

  • @dummy3604
    @dummy3604 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you get the copper sheets I've looked at lowes and home depot can I cannot find them I'm trying to make something

  • @derooverdries5228
    @derooverdries5228 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Put the heads of the screws all in the same direction it looks better
    Nice vid

  • @akkad7514
    @akkad7514 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey! is it possible to patina an electroplated copper plate? its not the thickest but im not sure if it will work

  • @RandyColby
    @RandyColby 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sparric Urethane? Gorgeous work by the way!

  • @budiiiii
    @budiiiii 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks alot!

  • @chrisz.9974
    @chrisz.9974 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you know if this will work with brass? I want to try this on a bare brass zippo.

  • @TheDormonid
    @TheDormonid 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    is it the same process that happened to the statue of liberty? and make her turn from that copper color to green?

  • @satansamael666
    @satansamael666 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The patina can be scraped to make green powder for green paint!

  • @annlyon.2040
    @annlyon.2040 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe you will have an answer for me. How to you get a lacker (sp) thats on top of copper. I have an old ice bucket and dont know how to remove it. Then i can do what your showing. ???? Thanks !

  • @kemalk.7041
    @kemalk.7041 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi
    I was try to make blue patina with only salt and vinager it was removed easily when ı want to polished with metal polish. İs it permanent like a sulfur patina?