Gotta love Eddie, the thing about him is whatever he says he says with so much conviction that whenever he's proven right he seems like a prophet. On the other hand, when the opposite happens he looks like a right idiot.
It's interesting to watch this back years later. Im a massive Schumacher fan and I followed his comeback and studied the comparison with Rosberg closer than most. At the beginning of 2010 his pace was shocking and I remember in the Chinese GP Mercedes making great pit calls again and again and despite this he was just sliding back through the pack - due to his lack of pace. He got quicker and quicker as the season progressed but his best results were still 3 fourth places while Rosberg got 3 thirds and Schumacher finished with almost half the points of Rosberg that year (NR 142 & MS 72). 2011 started much the same as the previous season but the improvements continued and by middle of the year he was starting to outpace Rosberg. Despite losing out in the points (NR 89 & MS 76) Schumachers best finishes that year were a fourth place and 3 fifths while Rosberg only managed 2 fifth places. 2012 started very badly for Schumacher, unreliability and incidents meant he had only 2 points to his name after the 7th race. The Merc started the season as a genuine front runner but soon fell back and by the end of the season the Merc was only the 7th or 8th best car. despite the great start both Schumacher and Rosberg stuggled to get into the points in the later part of the season, managing a grand total of 6 points between them out of the last 6 races. By the end of the season Schumacher was massively behind Rosberg in the championship (NR 93 & MS 49) but its worth noting that if you discount the first 6 races and just count the last 14 then Schumacher outscores Rosberg 47 to 34. Schumacher improved every year of his comeback and theres no reason to think the improvements wouldn't have continued had he stayed in F1. I always thought it was a shame that Merc didnt keep him on and get rid of Rosberg instead. Schumacher and Hamilton would without a doubt have been the greatest team in the history of F1. In retrospect he was obviously going to struggle massively coming back but you have to respect the sheer audacity of returning to F1 after 3 years out of competition and then sticking with it despite getting a total thrashing in hisfirst season back. Will we ever see an F1 driver return to the sport after a 3 year holiday again? Probably not. I don't feel his pace at the end of 2012 was too far behind where it was when he left in 2006 and although he was noticably more accident and mistake prone during his comeback, you have to remember mistakes were starting to creep in anyway by 2006. It's also worth noting that many of the comings together and crashes he had in 2010-12 were with people that history hasn't looked upon too favourably, Maldonardo, Grosjean, Jean Eric Vergne, Jamie Algersuari and a couple of others that were only in F1 for a very short time. His best achievement during his comeback was probably getting pole in his last season at Monaco aged 42. Time will tell how impressive that last feat was, will we see a 42 year old Vettel or Hamilton or Alonso get pole at Monaco? I'm not so sure we will.
Rosberg beat Michael in all three years so hard to justify keeping him / staying on. And would have had to wait until 2014 for the Merc to be the best car
DM G As I've covered in massive detail above, Rosberg didn't really beat Schumacher in anything other than his first year back (2010). 2011 was equal and if you exclude the first few races of 2012 - when the Merc was fast but brittle, Schumacher easily outscored Rosberg that year. Which is quite a feat considering he was 42 and Rosberg was arguably very close to his peak at that point. Quoting myself above: "By the end of the 2012 season Schumacher was massively behind Rosberg in the championship (NR 93 & MS 49) but its worth noting that if you discount the first 6 races and just count the last 14 then Schumacher outscores Rosberg 47 to 34"
GoCotton you must not forget, that Michael was offered a two year extention for 13/14, ross even admitted this at Silverstone. But he would "only" commit to one year at the time, due to his motivation not beeing certian! at the age of 43. He agreed to a 13 extention, but with the new regs coming, merc wanted stability in the team, something MS would not commit to, that is why he was happy to retire completly on his own terms at the end of 2012. But it could very easily, have been very different...:) #keepfightingmichael
GoCotton But 59-15 in the first 6 races is massive. Hill outscored Prost in the second half of 1993 because Prost knew he had a huge cushion and still beat Hill 99-69. If a boxer wins the first 6 rounds easily he can afford to lose the next 9 5-4. Especially if his opponent isn't a knockout artist. You can't throw 30% of the season away if it goes against your argument. Nico knew he wasn't going to win in that car so he coasted slightly after creating an insurmountable lead. Michael was just another Joe Louis or Chris Chelios that just loved his sport too much to get out when he should.
Brundle's comment that you're at more risk while in the rental car on the way to the circuit. could change that to while going slowly on the ski slopes teaching a relative to ski. such a tragedy, absolutely terrible. Come on Michael! You can pull through!
Eddie Jordan is right in pointing out that it's the sport that would give Michael up in the end. There was just no point in coming back. But great F1 drivers were just too single-minded that they didn't have anything worth doing other than completing in racing cars. That indirectly led to the sad accident of Michael in the end.
He is still able to compete with the young generation look at his moves in valencia and that pole lap at monaco his biggest problem was uncompetitivenis from the car and unreliability
well his teammate beat him all those 3 years. he was clearly beyond his prime. while the other driver have been in theirs. schumi wanted to fight with the young guns and got whooped. eddie really called it incredibly well.
he was brought back to develop a car.. he was part of the development of the fastest car in the world... then lewis came in as he usually does and drives a very good car and wins titles and then says he made it a championshio car.. you area a chump lewis..
GFY PLEASE. In 2013, the car Hamilton drove for Mercedes was a unrelaible, undriveable DOG but Hamilton won with it, when Rosberg and Schumacher could not. Deal with that fact, asswipe !!!
his comeback was so similar compared to another Michael who came back for a few years in the NBA. Showed some flashes of brillance but did not really live up to his own myth. But they both did it because they wanted to and proving that they can still do it was enough.
For me, the real Schumacher career ended in 2006. He even admitted before he left Mercedes in 2012 that his previous passion and drive was no longer there. From 1991 to 2006 he hadn't even come close to losing to a teammate (teammates included 3 time champion Piquet, Brundle, Verstappen, Herbert, Irvine, Barrichello, Massa - all great drivers). Is there anyone else who was so unbeatable for so long? Senna couldn't do it, Prost, Max Verstappen, Hamilton, Vettel, even Fangio. Nobody managed to maintain such a reputation for so long. Schumacher threw that away in 2012. Eddie Jordan was bang on.
I don't think Michael ever got on well with the change in the formula since his first retirement. In particular, the pirelli tyres probably didn't suit his style and he said as much himself.
How was he right? If physique is all that has to do with it, then why hasn't Rosberg done better. The car was just simply not up to the same standard as the front runners.
I'm not actually sure if Ross Brawn expected to win any races straight away or if any at all but he wanted Michael to turn Petronus racing into a team not a lot of individuals. Ross Brawn said in a later Interview the team would have never made it with out his Michael direction and leadership qualities.
4:40 David and Leggard ended up being spot on here. Micheal's race craft was shit in all three years of his come back. He crashed a lot and handled situations in traffic like a rookie time and time again.
For myself.. Michael Schumacher returning was a jubilant event for myself being at the time a real die hard Schumi fan as I'd grown up with him from 1997 until his first retirement in 2006. The main issues addressed and I've noted a couple for credibility but looking back I think Michael should have stayed away... 7 times World Champion and proven to be the legend of F1 in that era (1990's/2000's)... he simply wanted to come back to prove that he still had it but mostly he came back to have fun and help develop the car to the monster that we've known for the last 6 years. Coming off a successful 2009 by Brawn GP with their double diffuser and with Rubens Barrichello who actually came from Schumacher's era who actually scored wins I think Michael watching his old team mate win races probably gave him a mental instinct to say ''if he can do it then so can I''. At 41 when he did return to F1 I automatically thought ''this isn't right'' and it didn't feel right either him being on the grid with Vettel, Webber, Rosberg, Button and all the other top drivers who were in essence at their peaks.. As soon as I saw Michael doing his old tactics like Hungary 2010 it always ended up in controversy with him coming off worse. In the time of 2012 when he did have that podium at Valencia or that ''Pole'' lap at Monaco it did bring back memories of seeing Michael on the top step or actually showing that talent we'd wanted to see since his comeback. As I said 2012 was when Michael was at his best in the Merc, granted it's all history now but I'd like to mention I did get emotional at his Lap of Honor at Brazil that year. #keepfightingmichael
Ultimately he created the Mercedes we know and love today. If he was in the condition now, he would look at what the Mercedes team has become and be proud. What a legend, left us with his final achievement in f1, a German team with the kit to win
Credit to EJ, he was more right than the others
Gotta love Eddie, the thing about him is whatever he says he says with so much conviction that whenever he's proven right he seems like a prophet. On the other hand, when the opposite happens he looks like a right idiot.
It’s rare, he sends most his time talking out his bumhole
I think the presenters thought the Mercedes car would be on the pace like the Brawn car was the year before thats why their predictions are too high.
It's interesting to watch this back years later. Im a massive Schumacher fan and I followed his comeback and studied the comparison with Rosberg closer than most.
At the beginning of 2010 his pace was shocking and I remember in the Chinese GP Mercedes making great pit calls again and again and despite this he was just sliding back through the pack - due to his lack of pace. He got quicker and quicker as the season progressed but his best results were still 3 fourth places while Rosberg got 3 thirds and Schumacher finished with almost half the points of Rosberg that year (NR 142 & MS 72).
2011 started much the same as the previous season but the improvements continued and by middle of the year he was starting to outpace Rosberg. Despite losing out in the points (NR 89 & MS 76) Schumachers best finishes that year were a fourth place and 3 fifths while Rosberg only managed 2 fifth places.
2012 started very badly for Schumacher, unreliability and incidents meant he had only 2 points to his name after the 7th race. The Merc started the season as a genuine front runner but soon fell back and by the end of the season the Merc was only the 7th or 8th best car. despite the great start both Schumacher and Rosberg stuggled to get into the points in the later part of the season, managing a grand total of 6 points between them out of the last 6 races. By the end of the season Schumacher was massively behind Rosberg in the championship (NR 93 & MS 49) but its worth noting that if you discount the first 6 races and just count the last 14 then Schumacher outscores Rosberg 47 to 34.
Schumacher improved every year of his comeback and theres no reason to think the improvements wouldn't have continued had he stayed in F1. I always thought it was a shame that Merc didnt keep him on and get rid of Rosberg instead. Schumacher and Hamilton would without a doubt have been the greatest team in the history of F1.
In retrospect he was obviously going to struggle massively coming back but you have to respect the sheer audacity of returning to F1 after 3 years out of competition and then sticking with it despite getting a total thrashing in hisfirst season back. Will we ever see an F1 driver return to the sport after a 3 year holiday again? Probably not.
I don't feel his pace at the end of 2012 was too far behind where it was when he left in 2006 and although he was noticably more accident and mistake prone during his comeback, you have to remember mistakes were starting to creep in anyway by 2006. It's also worth noting that many of the comings together and crashes he had in 2010-12 were with people that history hasn't looked upon too favourably, Maldonardo, Grosjean, Jean Eric Vergne, Jamie Algersuari and a couple of others that were only in F1 for a very short time.
His best achievement during his comeback was probably getting pole in his last season at Monaco aged 42. Time will tell how impressive that last feat was, will we see a 42 year old Vettel or Hamilton or Alonso get pole at Monaco? I'm not so sure we will.
fully agree, I reckon had he stayed on and made it to 2014 he may have even win the 2014 title if his mid 2011-2012 pace is anything to go by.
Rosberg beat Michael in all three years so hard to justify keeping him / staying on. And would have had to wait until 2014 for the Merc to be the best car
DM G As I've covered in massive detail above, Rosberg didn't really beat Schumacher in anything other than his first year back (2010). 2011 was equal and if you exclude the first few races of 2012 - when the Merc was fast but brittle, Schumacher easily outscored Rosberg that year. Which is quite a feat considering he was 42 and Rosberg was arguably very close to his peak at that point. Quoting myself above: "By the end of the 2012 season Schumacher was massively behind Rosberg in the championship (NR 93 & MS 49) but its worth noting that if you discount the first 6 races and just count the last 14 then Schumacher outscores Rosberg 47 to 34"
GoCotton you must not forget, that Michael was offered a two year extention for 13/14, ross even admitted this at Silverstone. But he would "only" commit to one year at the time, due to his motivation not beeing certian! at the age of 43.
He agreed to a 13 extention, but with the new regs coming, merc wanted stability in the team, something MS would not commit to, that is why he was happy to retire completly on his own terms at the end of 2012.
But it could very easily, have been very different...:)
#keepfightingmichael
GoCotton But 59-15 in the first 6 races is massive. Hill outscored Prost in the second half of 1993 because Prost knew he had a huge cushion and still beat Hill 99-69. If a boxer wins the first 6 rounds easily he can afford to lose the next 9 5-4. Especially if his opponent isn't a knockout artist. You can't throw 30% of the season away if it goes against your argument. Nico knew he wasn't going to win in that car so he coasted slightly after creating an insurmountable lead. Michael was just another Joe Louis or Chris Chelios that just loved his sport too much to get out when he should.
Brundle's comment that you're at more risk while in the rental car on the way to the circuit. could change that to while going slowly on the ski slopes teaching a relative to ski. such a tragedy, absolutely terrible. Come on Michael! You can pull through!
I love Eddie Jordan. "I need to say what I say" hahaha
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Eddie Jordan is right in pointing out that it's the sport that would give Michael up in the end. There was just no point in coming back. But great F1 drivers were just too single-minded that they didn't have anything worth doing other than completing in racing cars. That indirectly led to the sad accident of Michael in the end.
True, but EJ was eventually proven correct (though to a certain degree because noone expected the Merc to be such a step-down from the Brawn).
He needs a better car!!!! He still has it - Schumacher best driver since 1994
Shumi looked so much better in red though
Nick Leone Probably the fact he was on the top step of the podium covered in champagne was also a big part of that image.
Nostalgia always gets in the way of facts and rationality
He is still able to compete with the young generation look at his moves in valencia and that pole lap at monaco his biggest problem was uncompetitivenis from the car and unreliability
Schumacker got exposed . Period.. End of Story
Anthony Bailey Haha look at those salty tears. The best always get hated by the bottom feeders.
At over 40s he was already past his prime.
it's interesting watching this now after what actually happened
he didnt have the car to win. if he did you could have been eating those words
8BitZ0mbie I think at the end of the day, he is responsible for bringing the Mercedes team to where it was
well his teammate beat him all those 3 years. he was clearly beyond his prime. while the other driver have been in theirs. schumi wanted to fight with the young guns and got whooped. eddie really called it incredibly well.
he was brought back to develop a car.. he was part of the development of the fastest car in the world... then lewis came in as he usually does and drives a very good car and wins titles and then says he made it a championshio car.. you area a chump lewis..
lol hater.
Thomas Williams lol.. that i am
GFY PLEASE. In 2013, the car Hamilton drove for Mercedes was a unrelaible, undriveable DOG but Hamilton won with it, when Rosberg and Schumacher could not. Deal with that fact, asswipe !!!
Anthony Bailey
Rosberg won 2 races with the 2013 car
Hamilton won 1 race
My bad. However, Hamilton finished ahead of Rosberg by 17 points in 2013 .Hamilton had 189 points and Rosberg 171.
his comeback was so similar compared to another Michael who came back for a few years in the NBA. Showed some flashes of brillance but did not really live up to his own myth. But they both did it because they wanted to and proving that they can still do it was enough.
For me, the real Schumacher career ended in 2006. He even admitted before he left Mercedes in 2012 that his previous passion and drive was no longer there. From 1991 to 2006 he hadn't even come close to losing to a teammate (teammates included 3 time champion Piquet, Brundle, Verstappen, Herbert, Irvine, Barrichello, Massa - all great drivers). Is there anyone else who was so unbeatable for so long? Senna couldn't do it, Prost, Max Verstappen, Hamilton, Vettel, even Fangio. Nobody managed to maintain such a reputation for so long. Schumacher threw that away in 2012. Eddie Jordan was bang on.
I don't think Michael ever got on well with the change in the formula since his first retirement. In particular, the pirelli tyres probably didn't suit his style and he said as much himself.
Eddy Jordan knows Michael better than many other People , he has exact Right
Eddie was right, he was out of his mind.
How was he right? If physique is all that has to do with it, then why hasn't Rosberg done better. The car was just simply not up to the same standard as the front runners.
I'm not actually sure if Ross Brawn expected to win any races straight away or if any at all but he wanted Michael to turn Petronus racing into a team not a lot of individuals. Ross Brawn said in a later Interview the team would have never made it with out his Michael direction and leadership qualities.
Eddie was so right, and I shared the same opinion back then.
4:40 David and Leggard ended up being spot on here. Micheal's race craft was shit in all three years of his come back. He crashed a lot and handled situations in traffic like a rookie time and time again.
For myself.. Michael Schumacher returning was a jubilant event for myself being at the time a real die hard Schumi fan as I'd grown up with him from 1997 until his first retirement in 2006.
The main issues addressed and I've noted a couple for credibility but looking back I think Michael should have stayed away... 7 times World Champion and proven to be the legend of F1 in that era (1990's/2000's)... he simply wanted to come back to prove that he still had it but mostly he came back to have fun and help develop the car to the monster that we've known for the last 6 years.
Coming off a successful 2009 by Brawn GP with their double diffuser and with Rubens Barrichello who actually came from Schumacher's era who actually scored wins I think Michael watching his old team mate win races probably gave him a mental instinct to say ''if he can do it then so can I''.
At 41 when he did return to F1 I automatically thought ''this isn't right'' and it didn't feel right either him being on the grid with Vettel, Webber, Rosberg, Button and all the other top drivers who were in essence at their peaks.. As soon as I saw Michael doing his old tactics like Hungary 2010 it always ended up in controversy with him coming off worse.
In the time of 2012 when he did have that podium at Valencia or that ''Pole'' lap at Monaco it did bring back memories of seeing Michael on the top step or actually showing that talent we'd wanted to see since his comeback.
As I said 2012 was when Michael was at his best in the Merc, granted it's all history now but I'd like to mention I did get emotional at his Lap of Honor at Brazil that year.
#keepfightingmichael
@ThreeLiterV10 i think a podium finish will really cheer him up
they are absolutely right about the racecraft
Martin and David share the same opinion. What a coincedence, they're both drivers. EJ, shut up.
EJ was the one that was right...
Ultimately he created the Mercedes we know and love today. If he was in the condition now, he would look at what the Mercedes team has become and be proud.
What a legend, left us with his final achievement in f1, a German team with the kit to win
Notntrue
@sultanabran1 @sultanabran1 EJ is also a former driver. Just not F1.
MS the greatest records talks ..thats it :)
6:17 ahahaha
EJ’s a bit of a prat, but he’s a very astute pundit.
6:23-6.40 LOLLLL
Nope, he didn’t have it anymore, did a good job developing the car though
Fuck me EJ was mostly correct.
He is stil ab
well he was right, so hush child.
First thing Brundle says, first miss...