2021- "Oh what a formula one season were gonna have this year, *Carlos Sainz* in a Ferrari, *Fernando Alonso* is coming back, the *Aston Martian* name is in formula one once again"
I've had huge arguments with fanboi "mates" who told me that I'm an old moaner who knows nothing about F1... (42 yr old) Reason.. Since 2010 to 2022.. Scrap it.. It's been the most fake racing series.. BTCC was 1000 times more exciting.. (I love BTCC) Yeah Seb and Lewis have arguments, as to why they are world champions and a possible 1 to 3 max for each driver and no more !! I've been close to stop watching my No 1 sport.. Things I said.. The aero is a joke.. Who drives a normal, everyday car and has 1001 little winglits popping out all over. Kids will just kick them off.. (F1 is supposed to be the driving force behind the main car industry... A 12 MPH boost... for a NISAN MICRA... isn't that close to double the speed of it??? HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.) 1st change is to drop the nose back to the floor.. Done.. 10 times less aero and focus towards merc grip over fake racing... Buy buy to thg 64 tier front wing... Cheaper for teams and if Fartari don't like it... See ya.. BYE you childish rats who throw their toys each time they don't get their way... "We shall leave F1." *Me. "OK, I'll pack your bags for you!!" and so on and so on.. Pretty much the fact that they are going in the SAME direction, thanks to Ross Brawn.. Not some random college pen pusher.. The man who has worked from ground zero to where he is now and WOW WOW WOW.. What a ride that man has had... It's funny that the same "fanbois" are the ones raving about this new era... This is pretty much what every long term F1 has wanted.. Called out and been abused over and over in the comments section as "Boomers" and other pathetic names.. Same sam 30 and unders who are now raving and raving about new F1.. Honestly.. 2022.. This is just the starter.. We now want the main meal next year.... but what an appetizer it looks like it's going to be.... :D
You miss my point. IMO Hamilton is in the top 3 of all time and 4 button to be the only team mate to legit beat him over a season is me saying button deserves more credit than he does. And I did my research in 2011 Hamilton button had equal failures and even if Hamilton was more lucky he'd of still finished behind JB. Plus the 2-1 is true but button was very close points wise in 2011 button thrashed Hamilton he even beat webber who had a better car and alonso. They also share this when in the best car they won WC as team mates they didn't have the best car 3rd best. What I'm saying is button is the only person to beat Hamilton and alonso as team mates. JB has stood toe 2 toe with the best 2 drivers in F1 since senna/
Shumacher. Personally that says a lot to me he isn't as gifted as them but nor was Prost with senna hunt with lauda but because he's always really had to battle and grind through his career. He deserves far more respect
Michael Drew its a useless metric created specifically by Button fans. Lewis beat him 2 out of 3 seasons and if Mclaren hadn't screwed Hamilton so much in 2012 Jenson wouldn't even been close to him in total points.
im a big lewis fan but jenson is such a good driver i grew to like him as much as lewis over the 2011 & 2012 seasons. not only that but he is a great person on top of it
well I guess, if the tyres were really steady - Lewis would probably kick most of the other guys. Just look at his Quali-performances - they are insane! Jenson is more the constant, calm and intelligent driver and doesn't have this temper I love and which Lewis definitly has. But to come back to the maintopic: the question "who is the better driver?" will never be solved - they have different styles and it's not clear what "better" means.
Yeah. The thing is Button needs a good car that`s predictable and comfortable. He won`t drive an average car or a car that`s not set up properly to victory like some other drivers would ( Lewis or Alonso to name a few) He just can`t seem to get a good set up the last few races and I don`t know if he will.
Anyone thinking that button is as good as or even close to lewis in terms of driving ability and skill are living on cuckoo land. These guys above are all button lovers and hearing them make out as if both drivers are near equal is delusion of all delusions. As for button....hes been rubbish all season & even a few of the midfielders keep beating him consistantly.
please, if you mclaren fans thinks that jensen is a better "driver" than lewis even after 2011 don't know racing. jensen clearly had the better year but is he faster or better than lewis, he's not. he's been more consistent, had better overall race strategy, the tires suits his driving style better, which translates to wins and points. a focused lewis is the only one that take it to sebastian and next years redbull RB8.
People here are talking down the fact that over their 3 seasons together, he outscored Lewis points wise. Why? F1 is all about accumulating points for the championship. Lewis had the edge on Jenson in qualifying 9/10 sure, but Jenson on his day could beat anyone. Also you people talk down 2011, Lewis this, Alonso that.. Clearly you didn't watch that season, or you just have an extremely bad memory, I watched every race that season. Post Canada Jenson was the only driver who had any chance to catch Vettel, he ran out of races to do it because Vettel won it in the first part of the season. Jenson was amazing in that 2011 McLaren, Lewis was far too busy crashing with Massa every weekend and when he wasn't, he was complaining that JB had family/friends around him and he didn't.. That's down to you Lewis, perhaps if you were less like an ass and more like Jenson you'd have had those friends for support.
I'm stil thinking what if Merc where never be as dominant like they where in 14-16 and Hamilton wouldn't had Rosberg as teammate( who he was beating when they where in kart...) and Ferrari and Red Bull would be on the same lvl. Would Hamilton had have won a nother title?
Came here when Lewis has just taken his 6th title. It's funny relating all those comments to what happened in factual terms. Nobody guessed that Lewis would go on to dominate the sport.
@SupaSix1 While I was never a Button fan; to be fair last year he was plopped into a team that Lewis has actively worked with for 3 years; Button was a new boy then.
actually eddie was right - if hamilton kept his head he wud have beaten jesen by far - jensen can never beat hamilton on his best day and we all know that. evn with all of hamiltons issues he styll won three races. the same amount as jensen. and jensen wasnt that far away interms of points. i want to see jensen beat lewis on his best day. then i will give him his props
@SupaSix1 I bet you're eating your words now aren't you? Did you happen to catch Canada, Spa? no? did you happen to catch that Jenson is leading Hamilton in this years championship?
@tomboy287 I like hamilton and I agree that he would probably edge it when theyre both at their best but in a sport it doesnt matter what you've got on paper. In the race Jenson delivered more. I think next year should be interesting though. Hopefully Hamilton will have sorted out his problems and Button and team have now got confidence that they can do well. Next year :)
well i guess they were right. but Hamilton came 4th 2010 where Button came 5th. this year though- Button's thrashing Hamilton this year. Half of that is down to hamilton but you can nnever write off Button he is an incredible driver, look at the Canadian GP of 2011.. outstanding
@razmataz13drums am a hamilton fan but i gotta give it up to button - he drove superbly this season - but uno hamilton will be back on top right - loooooooool - but it styll dont matter as long as they do their homework next season and win sumthing
Ever since Hamilton stuck that Massa magnet in his nosecone I've hated him. I'm in the rare situation where I think I hate Hamilton as much as I possibly could, and then the next race happens and I discover anouther dimension where its possible to hate him even more. Whatever is happening, whatever hes changed, whether it be with him or the car. It NEEDS sorting!! I'm wondering how long it is before McLaren stat to wonder if hes worth keeping, if hes the same in 2012 I don't see him staying long
Button on his day could beat anyone. Plus he's a top likeable guy. Hamilton is a knob, a great driver though. Love to see Eddie Jordan talking utter shite as per usual. Brundle who was so anti Schumacher, a hamilton groupie. Mongs
Brundle raced WITH Schumacher so any views on him are legit whether you like them or not, also he's only recently come around to Lewis. A few years ago he wasn't his biggest fan by a long way. Button got lucky in the Brawn due to the same engineers who have steered Lewis (and Nico) to 6 WDC's and 6 WCC's. As Adam Jackson said have you met either driver, when racing you HAVE to have an air of arrogance to compete, to believe you are the best. Did Jenson have it; yes. Did Lewis have it; yes - does he still have it, not so much. For me the 2 worst offenders were Mansell and Schumacher, both as terribly arrogant as the other (and they had the success to show for it).
So interesting to see such an immense bias against Lewis even back in the day. Every single one one of these people put themselves in Jenson's shoes. No one does that with Lewis. Just makes jokes about his personal life. Absolutely vile. Coulthard especially.
The topic was about a driver moving to a new team, of course most of the talk will be about that new driver and putting themselves in their shoes about the challenges they will face. There is no bias, because they all unanimously agreed that Lewis was the better driver and would have the advantage.
Jordan is full of shit. Why would it make sense for JB to stay at a team which he knew would have a bad car because he knew they didn't have the budget to develop the car? Makes no sense
2021- "Oh what a formula one season were gonna have this year, *Carlos Sainz* in a Ferrari, *Fernando Alonso* is coming back, the *Aston Martian* name is in formula one once again"
I've had huge arguments with fanboi "mates" who told me that I'm an old moaner who knows nothing about F1... (42 yr old)
Reason.. Since 2010 to 2022.. Scrap it.. It's been the most fake racing series.. BTCC was 1000 times more exciting.. (I love BTCC)
Yeah Seb and Lewis have arguments, as to why they are world champions and a possible 1 to 3 max for each driver and no more !!
I've been close to stop watching my No 1 sport..
Things I said..
The aero is a joke.. Who drives a normal, everyday car and has 1001 little winglits popping out all over. Kids will just kick them off.. (F1 is supposed to be the driving force behind the main car industry... A 12 MPH boost... for a NISAN MICRA... isn't that close to double the speed of it??? HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.)
1st change is to drop the nose back to the floor.. Done..
10 times less aero and focus towards merc grip over fake racing... Buy buy to thg 64 tier front wing...
Cheaper for teams and if Fartari don't like it... See ya.. BYE you childish rats who throw their toys each time they don't get their way... "We shall leave F1." *Me. "OK, I'll pack your bags for you!!"
and so on and so on..
Pretty much the fact that they are going in the SAME direction, thanks to Ross Brawn.. Not some random college pen pusher.. The man who has worked from ground zero to where he is now and WOW WOW WOW.. What a ride that man has had...
It's funny that the same "fanbois" are the ones raving about this new era... This is pretty much what every long term F1 has wanted.. Called out and been abused over and over in the comments section as "Boomers" and other pathetic names.. Same sam 30 and unders who are now raving and raving about new F1..
Honestly.. 2022.. This is just the starter.. We now want the main meal next year.... but what an appetizer it looks like it's going to be.... :D
@@fingersTitan lol
@@rebeccagreenwood3302 k
aston martin to dominate from 2025 with new engines like merc
Max with 4 titles then gets slapped by a junior in 2025?
I completely agree with you and i'm a Jenson fan myself, It's just a refreshing change to hear a Lewis fan acknowledge Jenson is also a great driver.
So much has changed since this interview
Brundle's thoughts seems soo logical... My favourite F1 commentator ever...
Like coulthard said 3 years we will see. Well 3 seasons button scored more points and is the only team mate to beat Hamilton over a season
Who the fuck combines points over multiple seasons?
Its 2 to 1 to Hamilton, even after multiple mechanical failures.
You miss my point. IMO Hamilton is in the top 3 of all time and 4 button to be the only team mate to legit beat him over a season is me saying button deserves more credit than he does. And I did my research in 2011 Hamilton button had equal failures and even if Hamilton was more lucky he'd of still finished behind JB. Plus the 2-1 is true but button was very close points wise in 2011 button thrashed Hamilton he even beat webber who had a better car and alonso. They also share this when in the best car they won WC as team mates they didn't have the best car 3rd best. What I'm saying is button is the only person to beat Hamilton and alonso as team mates. JB has stood toe 2 toe with the best 2 drivers in F1 since senna/
Shumacher. Personally that says a lot to me he isn't as gifted as them but nor was Prost with senna hunt with lauda but because he's always really had to battle and grind through his career. He deserves far more respect
Michael Drew its a useless metric created specifically by Button fans. Lewis beat him 2 out of 3 seasons and if Mclaren hadn't screwed Hamilton so much in 2012 Jenson wouldn't even been close to him in total points.
He wasn’t as quick though.
Funny to see that Jenson won the Australian Grand Prix of 2010...
im a big lewis fan but jenson is such a good driver i grew to like him as much as lewis over the 2011 & 2012 seasons. not only that but he is a great person on top of it
well I guess, if the tyres were really steady - Lewis would probably kick most of the other guys. Just look at his Quali-performances - they are insane!
Jenson is more the constant, calm and intelligent driver and doesn't have this temper I love and which Lewis definitly has.
But to come back to the maintopic: the question "who is the better driver?" will never be solved - they have different styles and it's not clear what "better" means.
Yeah. The thing is Button needs a good car that`s predictable and comfortable. He won`t drive an average car or a car that`s not set up properly to victory like some other drivers would ( Lewis or Alonso to name a few) He just can`t seem to get a good set up the last few races and I don`t know if he will.
Martin Brundle knows what hes talking about he always spot on D:
Anyone thinking that button is as good as or even close to lewis in terms of driving ability and skill are living on cuckoo land.
These guys above are all button lovers and hearing them make out as if both drivers are near equal is delusion of all delusions.
As for button....hes been rubbish all season & even a few of the midfielders keep beating him consistantly.
please, if you mclaren fans thinks that jensen is a better "driver" than lewis even after 2011 don't know racing. jensen clearly had the better year but is he faster or better than lewis, he's not. he's been more consistent, had better overall race strategy, the tires suits his driving style better, which translates to wins and points. a focused lewis is the only one that take it to sebastian and next years redbull RB8.
11 years later, think Lewis turned out alright tbh
People here are talking down the fact that over their 3 seasons together, he outscored Lewis points wise. Why? F1 is all about accumulating points for the championship. Lewis had the edge on Jenson in qualifying 9/10 sure, but Jenson on his day could beat anyone. Also you people talk down 2011, Lewis this, Alonso that.. Clearly you didn't watch that season, or you just have an extremely bad memory, I watched every race that season. Post Canada Jenson was the only driver who had any chance to catch Vettel, he ran out of races to do it because Vettel won it in the first part of the season. Jenson was amazing in that 2011 McLaren, Lewis was far too busy crashing with Massa every weekend and when he wasn't, he was complaining that JB had family/friends around him and he didn't.. That's down to you Lewis, perhaps if you were less like an ass and more like Jenson you'd have had those friends for support.
I'm stil thinking what if Merc where never be as dominant like they where in 14-16 and Hamilton wouldn't had Rosberg as teammate( who he was beating when they where in kart...) and Ferrari and Red Bull would be on the same lvl. Would Hamilton had have won a nother title?
@@s0me1i62 Max Verstappen thouroghly outdrove Lewis last year when they were in similar car so theres the answer..
And Hamilton destroyed Jenson in 2012 but just had so much bad luck
@srxt675 max had more poles more wins but sure "equal cars"
i love jordan - he is as real as they come
This hasn't travelled well through the years.
Curiosity value though. . .
i think there both great guys and both as good as each other despite their different driving styles.
they are taking about 2010 season ? if yes the 2010 for me was the best year better than 2011-2013
Came here when Lewis has just taken his 6th title. It's funny relating all those comments to what happened in factual terms. Nobody guessed that Lewis would go on to dominate the sport.
@jonathan102 they were quite lucky. Jenson didnt do much after like everyone thought.
it's funny I have to Lough hard the way they compare Lewis to Jensen
then button won 2 of the first 4 races
Jenson proved them all wrong
@SupaSix1 While I was never a Button fan; to be fair last year he was plopped into a team that Lewis has actively worked with for 3 years; Button was a new boy then.
Eddie's words about lewis that year aged well
@SupaSix1 good point
@DHumpas silly about..... good season still tho. he kept up with anyone
Did Jake smell bad or something? Everyone grouped away from him.
@AshHill07 hey hey patience my brother - he had a bad season - most drivers have bad seasons. am sure he will bounce back
Boi were you right
watching this in october 2011.........I'm laughing my ass off! only if Eddie could see this again......
Coming from the future who's laughing now ?
@laser1ish Huh?
actually eddie was right - if hamilton kept his head he wud have beaten jesen by far - jensen can never beat hamilton on his best day and we all know that. evn with all of hamiltons issues he styll won three races. the same amount as jensen. and jensen wasnt that far away interms of points. i want to see jensen beat lewis on his best day. then i will give him his props
@SupaSix1 I bet you're eating your words now aren't you? Did you happen to catch Canada, Spa? no? did you happen to catch that Jenson is leading Hamilton in this years championship?
@tomboy287 I like hamilton and I agree that he would probably edge it when theyre both at their best but in a sport it doesnt matter what you've got on paper. In the race Jenson delivered more. I think next year should be interesting though. Hopefully Hamilton will have sorted out his problems and Button and team have now got confidence that they can do well. Next year :)
He said Hamilton would move and he did
After 2012 he kind of has a point.
its my impression or Eddie dont like too much of the guy in the pink shirt!
well i guess they were right. but Hamilton came 4th 2010 where Button came 5th. this year though- Button's thrashing Hamilton this year. Half of that is down to hamilton but you can nnever write off Button he is an incredible driver, look at the Canadian GP of 2011.. outstanding
Lewis left and Mclaren are nowhere.
I can only hope Eddie Jordan sees this video again haha :P
He’d feel vindicated I think.
@razmataz13drums am a hamilton fan but i gotta give it up to button - he drove superbly this season - but uno hamilton will be back on top right - loooooooool - but it styll dont matter as long as they do their homework next season and win sumthing
Well they'll need to kick themselves after 2011! L.O.L.
Ever since Hamilton stuck that Massa magnet in his nosecone I've hated him. I'm in the rare situation where I think I hate Hamilton as much as I possibly could, and then the next race happens and I discover anouther dimension where its possible to hate him even more.
Whatever is happening, whatever hes changed, whether it be with him or the car. It NEEDS sorting!!
I'm wondering how long it is before McLaren stat to wonder if hes worth keeping, if hes the same in 2012 I don't see him staying long
Whelp
Sierra-Belm.
Button on his day could beat anyone. Plus he's a top likeable guy. Hamilton is a knob, a great driver though. Love to see Eddie Jordan talking utter shite as per usual. Brundle who was so anti Schumacher, a hamilton groupie. Mongs
Brundle raced WITH Schumacher so any views on him are legit whether you like them or not, also he's only recently come around to Lewis. A few years ago he wasn't his biggest fan by a long way. Button got lucky in the Brawn due to the same engineers who have steered Lewis (and Nico) to 6 WDC's and 6 WCC's. As Adam Jackson said have you met either driver, when racing you HAVE to have an air of arrogance to compete, to believe you are the best. Did Jenson have it; yes. Did Lewis have it; yes - does he still have it, not so much. For me the 2 worst offenders were Mansell and Schumacher, both as terribly arrogant as the other (and they had the success to show for it).
I agree wif. eddie.
@donmore25 haha look at the table now
So interesting to see such an immense bias against Lewis even back in the day. Every single one one of these people put themselves in Jenson's shoes. No one does that with Lewis. Just makes jokes about his personal life. Absolutely vile. Coulthard especially.
The topic was about a driver moving to a new team, of course most of the talk will be about that new driver and putting themselves in their shoes about the challenges they will face. There is no bias, because they all unanimously agreed that Lewis was the better driver and would have the advantage.
lol david was right
i hate how eddie jordan is always right.. lool
@SupaSix1 LOL. Welcome to 2011.
And now , who’s the greatest - Hammertime ! 6 time WC , yes , I said it !
@SupaSix1 You've made a bit of a mug of yourself with that comment. ;)
@SupaSix1 Haha sooooooooooo wrong!
Eddie's opinions are often as outragous as his clothes. ^^
Jordan is full of shit. Why would it make sense for JB to stay at a team which he knew would have a bad car because he knew they didn't have the budget to develop the car? Makes no sense
Jason was never been in front of Lewis even qualified the race day always behind Lewis.
It's about racing not qualifying.
@donmore25 lol i bet you feel silly now
Some of EJ’s takes in these video turned out to be brilliant but this is one that aged pretty poorly
Haha, everyone always looks bored whenever Jonathon talks. Because he is boring. So glad he no longer commentates.
Bet brawn are turning in their grave.
anyone else notice this is the MOTD studio, cheap assed BBC =P