My first redemptor was a blue push-together model with only the heavy gatling cannon, heavy flamer and fragstorm 'nade launchers. Even there it was a threat to be reckoned with. Passed it onto my little brother after I picked up several boxnoughts. He now has several, two of which have all of the other options.
Why yes, I do want to watch a nearly 20 minute video on the redemptor dreadnaught. How the heck did you know? For real though, I'm learning more advanced tactics so breakdowns like this help a great deal. You are awesome as always.
I absolutely loved building my plastic Redemptor kit. It's actually got a fair amount of dynamic posing when the pegs locking things into position are sliced off. The knees can be raised to just below the hips in height with the pistons still connecting, the arms can reach out, it's so great.
Here's my stupid take as I have recently gotten into 40K tabletop. I have looked heavily at the Redemptor Dreadnought, that Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon AT FIRST GLANCE looks menacing, like a real meat grinder, but it really does fall flat on its face as a singular primary. It works on the Repulsor Executioner because its just an anti-mob weapon while the real star of the show is that heavy laser destroyer, you can opt for the Macro Plasma Incinerator but I like the HLD for the long range anti-heavy capabilities. Why does this matter... the Repulsor Executioner costs just 10 more points over the Redemptor Dreadnought, and here are the basic stats... Redemptor Dreadnought - 10 Toughness, 2+ base save (no invuln), 12 wounds, 210 points cost, OC of 4. Repulsor Executioner - 12 Toughness, 3+ base save (no invuln), 16 wounds, 220 points cost, plus can carry 6 standard space marine infantry, specialty armored (terminator, jetpack, etc...) cost 2 per model, and centurion costs 3 per model, OC of 5. For 10 more points you get MORE toughness, MORE WOUNDS, TRANSPORT CAPABILITY (small squad, say 5 man devastator plus attached unit), and MORE FIREPOWER... for just 10 more points! Hell if you play legends (I do), there are also better options for CHEAPER. RELIC CONTEMPTOR DREADNOUGHT - 9 Toughness, 2+ base save (5+ INVULN), 10 Wounds, OC of 3, 180 POINTS... PLUS, you can mount 2x HEAVY PLASMA CANNONS WITH A CYCLONE MISSILE LAUNCHER, & it comes with EVEN IN DEATH I STILL SERVE which means the first time its "killed" you roll a D6 & on a 2+ you get to bring that model back with D6 wounds REMAINING, that's up to 60% health back AFTER DEATH! The Redemptor Dreadnought is decent, but its VERY OVERPRICED and I am not just talking about the IRL cost either.
Riding dirty with 2 executioners and 3 redemptors in iron hands. They definitely good all round and apart from abandon one shotting a dread once. The plasma is very swingy though
The Ballistus needs more weapon options already, it’s actually insane we haven’t gotten more yet. The Brutalis needs… I mean it could do with any flavour of buffs. More movement speed so it can get in melee faster, the -1 damage rule so it can get in melee safer, honestly any rule that isn’t tank shock, or even just give it better melee. It’s just really disappointing that the other two dreads don’t really need to exist while the Redemptor does. The Ballistus being 130 and still only a consideration is ridiculous, and the Brutalis should *NOT* be 160 while the gun platform one is 130.
I like the Ballistus. It's a little bit more general purpose than the Lancer and more durable. If you combine it with a Stormspeeder Thunderstrike it kills every tank fairly easily. And I like them in 1000 point lists, which we play often on normal weekdays.
My brutalis tends to get shot off the board early very often. Which I kind of understand and it’s useful as a ‘distraction carnifex’ type of thing, but I do wish I got a little more mileage out of it directly
I haven't been impressed with its performance for the cost. It's tough, it's weapons are *okay* , but for it's rather enormous cost, it makes you expect more than it's likely to do unless you get some great rolls. Detachment-wise, mileage may vary.
I don't own a Redemptor, but it is one of those "little project" models I have considered, where I would like to "build" a specific Iron Hands character, and make him a Dreadnought, as it just feels like their "flesh is weak" bit would lend them to viewing Dreadnoughts in a different light to other Chapters. It might be even better if the Contemptor, or Leviathan, patterns were still available, to make it an even cooler venerable Dread idea, but the Redemptor is still pretty cool, and there might be enough extra kit bits, or third party stuff, to really make it pop, even compared to other "regular" Redemptors one might see.
The Leviathan is still available and even has a nice plastic kit. With a bit of surgery you could easily use him as a Redemptor against 99% of players.
My Redemptor is a staple of my Marine lists, and even earned himself a name (Brother Leucas). Also, don't sleep on it in Firestorm. The continuous Assault helps it keep up with the fast transports, and S5 on all the antipersonnel weapons and S10 on the macro plasma is big money
Hey so you know how each dedicated Chaos legion has a poor people unit, Tzangors, Poxwalkers and Jackhals? What do you think the Emperor's Children are getting?
Managed 5th place in GT (4--1) with Ironstorm 3xRedemptors/ 1xStormraven, 2xVindicator,1xLand Raider Redeemer, and Feirros- some extra techmarines and H.Intercessors Redemptors are real Pain with SR mobility!
I just really like the idea of going full dakka with the Redemptor, HOGC+OGC, Icarus and Fragstorm, and just start blasting at any and all one wound infantry ^^ .
I'm currently running a Redemptor in my Crusade list, and deliberately took the Gatling Cannons for one simple reason: Upgrades. Improving damage and AP of the Gatling Cannon by one each means they absolutely chew through MEQs, and can chip surprising amounts of damage off of heavy vehicles, as well as being usable in melee.
@@jimmysmith2249 Ah, a pity they don't - it's a lot more interesting than playing standard games. We did have to homebrew a few rules though - the Tyrannic War crusade supplement has a way to give the Redemptor anti-vehicle and anti-monster 4+, meaning that the upgraded gatling cannons would statistically slice a Land Raider in half with every volley 😬
The Redemptor has a lot of potential in Blood Angels LAF, if you're prepared to invest CP into it to make it work. As well as the detachment rule, which certainly gives its melee a bit of a kick, you've got strats for both advance+ shoot+ charge and fall back+ shoot +charge. Then you've got the melee strats to get Lance and force more wounds through when charging a tough vehicle (at S14!) or boost its attacks when someone charges it, though to be honest that's better used on a big unit. You've even got the 5+ FNP strat against Mortals, in case someone tries to ruin your day with Grenades. Now, if only Blood Angels actually had a source of extra CP... EDIT: Forgot to mention that if you have a Techmarine operating in close support for a Redemptor and it does go down, a angry BA Techmarine in LAF with a 7-attack Omissian Axe that gets another +1A, +2S on the charge is certainly no joke. Mine cut down the Swarmlord today, though the beggar auto-destructed in response and took the poor guy with him. That's what I get for running Lamenters.
This was my first model purchase after the “introductory” set before moving on to leviathan and now finishing up 2000 points of CSM. It has back problems cause i wasn’t paying close enough attention during assembly lol
This has reminded me I need to learn more about the difference between the whole firstborn/primaris stuff. I know about the lore side, but when Im looking at models on the table I can never tell the difference. Ive been maining Necrons for years and all of our stuff is so easy to point out
No real difference beyond firstborn getting a couple more weapon option(but can't specialise), their tanks have treds and the venerable dreadnought and being small.
I own some of these for my Dwathwatch (boooo GW). When I play my tyranids I absolutely tear through these dreadnoughts with Nid shooting, not having an invulnerable makes them very easy to kill to decent dedicated firepower I find.
I run a redempter and ballistus, along with a tech marine. Making that big plasma hit on a 2+ is nuts, especially if you oath. No one wants to go near that side of the board
a lone redemptor is pretty good. 3 are a threat that almost no army can handle easily. i just wish they would be a tiny bit cheaper or maybe just be a bit better at shooting
And there are a few factions that just have a nightmare of a time dealing with redemptors, anything that uses a lot of two damage S 6 -8 stuff like deathgaurd and world eaters.
The Redemptor is the best, but also the most expensive Dread. The damage reduction, combined with a good hybrid model who is good in both shooting and melee is really not bad! But as always, hybrid models are oftne overshined by specialists in their area
As always, good video. The redemptor is a meh in fire a power and melee, good resistence but the cost is a lil too much... The main problem is that is overshadowed by the vindicator, which is better at range, similar resistence and way cheaper. The melee isnt enough to justifique this model.
I am assembling a light raveguard scout/ambush force of 3 Redemptor, 3 Brutalis, 3 Balistus, 3 invictor, 3 tech marines and repurposed "Ironfather" as senior tech marine... They will sneak up on target and kill it.
First born dreadnaught get the shaft as always. Maybe one way to salvage it without step over the role of brutualis/ballastius is the give a role similar to phobo armor marine. Some thing like stealth or shoot and fade version of dreadnaught. So instead of straight up heavy defense, it gain defense through evasion and speed. Kind of silly imagine a speed version of dread
For 30 more points I'd take a land raider which is tougher, has better damage output and can transport 12 models. For 80 less I'd take a ballistus which is actually useful against most vehicles and almost as tough to kill as the redemptor. At 210 points I find the redemptor to be a bit lacking, the macro plasma whiffs more often than not, and none of the other weapons do much. Even in melee he barely scratches a light infantry squad
My redemptor dreadnought has given me multiple wins He killed 20 necron warriors in two separate games He killed a land raider solo Rolls constant 5 ups against tougher units I've named him mary because of the hail mary's he's given me
The Redemptor is nice but the weapons aren't great. The Onslaught cannon is fine against gaunts or guardsmen, and the plasma is almost useless against vehicles, it is better for more elite infantry. If this could have the lascannon and an powerfist, it would be better.
Maybe, but mainly the problem holding them back is their weird weapon profile. Damage 1 means they just don't get the damage they need out, even if the rest of the profile is great. Also, the ranged warriors have a slightly worse version of their melee, but also have shooting and are cheaper.
They're good at killing most things in melee, however it's getting then there. They're *so* squishy it's hard work to deliver them, a plasma redemptor will one shot that unit with ease
@@jacket2848 Keep them hidden in reserves until you need to, then surprise assault from behind. If they manage to charge that’s 36 attacks with str 6 ap -2 twin linked sustained hits 1. No infantry is surviving that. And yes, the redemtor can do a lot of damage to them, but the redemptor does a lot of damage to everything it can shoot
I just dont like the new design, he does have a lot of tau details, also i dont like the lack of weapon options, would be great to have a twin multimelta, lascannon, Also old assault cannon looks better than onslaught. Decent rules.
It's a fantastic looking model when posed appropriately. The legs and arms as so articulated that you can have them stepping on rocks, arms at rest by its side etc. it's genuinely a fantastic model. The monopose is a bit goofy with its pose however
@@Adlore Legs too long, belly to big, armor too open. tau drones instead of weapon pods. He looks poor, not threatening to me. I can only agree to disagree.
I'd like to see all the redemptor chassis get the -1 damage and the original redemptor get and different special rule. Also....gatling cannons with 0 ap come on!!! The dev wounds is cute, but no way to reroll on any gatling cannons throughout the codex.
I feel all the other dreadnoughts have been nerfed or gone to legends. I cant remember the last time i seen a dreadnought apart from a space marine brutalis & redemptor
I mean... After deleting every single other dread from the game... yeah, obviously he's going to start to get up there in the ranking. Still, if GW wasn't so bad at their job, they would have merged the 3 primaris dread as one kit and let us mix and match any of their weapons for more builds and fun.
In terms of tournament legal models, I agree that the baseline Redemptor is the "King" of the Imperial dreadnaught type models. In terms of models that have 10th Ed. rules though, I'd actually have to say it's Carab Culn. He may be in legends, but he's actually got a 10th ED. statsheet that can be pulled up via datasheet viewers. Still the only dreadnaught with a melee weapon that does more than 3 damage, has a sturdy body, reliable range output. Aside from the tournament legality and purchasability, the only thing that the Redemptor has over Culn is that it can switch weapon loadouts
Never use mine, its to big. And I refuse to use it on principle as it should have had the lascannon and missile launcher in the orginal box. I get more value out of my castaferum giving to hit rerolls of 1's to my infantry.
The redemptor is overpriced imo. Shooting meh, melee just ok. Ballistus is tougher per point. You can get a vindicator for 35 less points. I’d like to see redemptor at 190
@mtrunkello so a Mastodon deserves an invuln because it's meant to be the most durable transport in the game but can still be destroyed turn 1 by most shooting armies?
@mtrunkello the comparability lies in that it's got awful durability for cost, it would be better to take 2 Landraiders and a Rhino over it, but for the Mastodon an invuln wouldn't fix the durability issue for it. Invulns are a bandaid issue for the fact that there's just too much anti large weapons in the game and so large things need to compensate for it in order to stay alive.
"what can it do in game" - not much. too expensive for its shooting. too fragile to be a distraction carnifex. had one unload on a unit this week with oath and do literally nothing. 1 damage iirc. when you look at the raw numbers it just doesn't do anything except into chaff, at which point it is trading down in a big way. look at the Custodes Telemon and tell me with a straight face the Redemptor is worth 210pts.
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He's in Deep Strike. 😹
Truly "Fucking NERDS" energy. Absolute legendary status hater
As A proud Owner of A redemptor Dreadnought, I can confirm that the Gattling Cannon Sucks generally and the Macro Plasma Incinerator Is better.
As a moderately proud owner of 3 of em i can confirm 😂
When I bought mine it wad the other way around... Silly me for not codex proofing mine with magnets :( worst part of the hobby
My first redemptor was a blue push-together model with only the heavy gatling cannon, heavy flamer and fragstorm 'nade launchers. Even there it was a threat to be reckoned with.
Passed it onto my little brother after I picked up several boxnoughts. He now has several, two of which have all of the other options.
Which is kinda sad how insane the difference is.
Even against intented targets, the plasma just beats it out.
@@portercruickshankdefarias5641 although you shouldn't really need magnets, there's a slot you can use to swap the weapons over.
"Lead me to the slaughter!"
IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR I CAST YOU DOWN *YEETS STATUE*
The Redemptor needs a special "F**k that Helldrake!" rule where it launches a piece of terrain at a nearby flyer and knocks it out of the sky...
YESSSSSSSSSSS🙌
Unfortunately not a lot of people are running them, but we still got the gangster moves to helbrutes
Why yes, I do want to watch a nearly 20 minute video on the redemptor dreadnaught. How the heck did you know? For real though, I'm learning more advanced tactics so breakdowns like this help a great deal. You are awesome as always.
Needs a special option to throw terrain at flyers.
Something similar to the Titanic Throw that Chaos Knights had with their Fist weapon🤔
It's god tier when my opponent uses it and it's meh when I use it.
I absolutely loved building my plastic Redemptor kit. It's actually got a fair amount of dynamic posing when the pegs locking things into position are sliced off. The knees can be raised to just below the hips in height with the pistons still connecting, the arms can reach out, it's so great.
Here's my stupid take as I have recently gotten into 40K tabletop. I have looked heavily at the Redemptor Dreadnought, that Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon AT FIRST GLANCE looks menacing, like a real meat grinder, but it really does fall flat on its face as a singular primary.
It works on the Repulsor Executioner because its just an anti-mob weapon while the real star of the show is that heavy laser destroyer, you can opt for the Macro Plasma Incinerator but I like the HLD for the long range anti-heavy capabilities.
Why does this matter... the Repulsor Executioner costs just 10 more points over the Redemptor Dreadnought, and here are the basic stats...
Redemptor Dreadnought - 10 Toughness, 2+ base save (no invuln), 12 wounds, 210 points cost, OC of 4.
Repulsor Executioner - 12 Toughness, 3+ base save (no invuln), 16 wounds, 220 points cost, plus can carry 6 standard space marine infantry, specialty armored (terminator, jetpack, etc...) cost 2 per model, and centurion costs 3 per model, OC of 5.
For 10 more points you get MORE toughness, MORE WOUNDS, TRANSPORT CAPABILITY (small squad, say 5 man devastator plus attached unit), and MORE FIREPOWER... for just 10 more points!
Hell if you play legends (I do), there are also better options for CHEAPER.
RELIC CONTEMPTOR DREADNOUGHT - 9 Toughness, 2+ base save (5+ INVULN), 10 Wounds, OC of 3, 180 POINTS... PLUS, you can mount 2x HEAVY PLASMA CANNONS WITH A CYCLONE MISSILE LAUNCHER, & it comes with EVEN IN DEATH I STILL SERVE which means the first time its "killed" you roll a D6 & on a 2+ you get to bring that model back with D6 wounds REMAINING, that's up to 60% health back AFTER DEATH!
The Redemptor Dreadnought is decent, but its VERY OVERPRICED and I am not just talking about the IRL cost either.
Riding dirty with 2 executioners and 3 redemptors in iron hands. They definitely good all round and apart from abandon one shotting a dread once. The plasma is very swingy though
Dreadnought: IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR, I CAST YOU DOWN!
Gadriel: ...holly Terra!
The Ballistus needs more weapon options already, it’s actually insane we haven’t gotten more yet.
The Brutalis needs… I mean it could do with any flavour of buffs. More movement speed so it can get in melee faster, the -1 damage rule so it can get in melee safer, honestly any rule that isn’t tank shock, or even just give it better melee.
It’s just really disappointing that the other two dreads don’t really need to exist while the Redemptor does. The Ballistus being 130 and still only a consideration is ridiculous, and the Brutalis should *NOT* be 160 while the gun platform one is 130.
I like the Ballistus. It's a little bit more general purpose than the Lancer and more durable. If you combine it with a Stormspeeder Thunderstrike it kills every tank fairly easily. And I like them in 1000 point lists, which we play often on normal weekdays.
My brutalis tends to get shot off the board early very often. Which I kind of understand and it’s useful as a ‘distraction carnifex’ type of thing, but I do wish I got a little more mileage out of it directly
they could of gave it the hammer from the old melee dreadnaught :C
I often wonder why the Invictor is S14 and the Brutalis is S12???
@@carysage I asked this a lot the other day
Thank you for all the amazing content you pump out on the daily :D
I haven't been impressed with its performance for the cost. It's tough, it's weapons are *okay* , but for it's rather enormous cost, it makes you expect more than it's likely to do unless you get some great rolls. Detachment-wise, mileage may vary.
I don't own a Redemptor, but it is one of those "little project" models I have considered, where I would like to "build" a specific Iron Hands character, and make him a Dreadnought, as it just feels like their "flesh is weak" bit would lend them to viewing Dreadnoughts in a different light to other Chapters. It might be even better if the Contemptor, or Leviathan, patterns were still available, to make it an even cooler venerable Dread idea, but the Redemptor is still pretty cool, and there might be enough extra kit bits, or third party stuff, to really make it pop, even compared to other "regular" Redemptors one might see.
The Leviathan is still available and even has a nice plastic kit. With a bit of surgery you could easily use him as a Redemptor against 99% of players.
My Redemptor is a staple of my Marine lists, and even earned himself a name (Brother Leucas). Also, don't sleep on it in Firestorm. The continuous Assault helps it keep up with the fast transports, and S5 on all the antipersonnel weapons and S10 on the macro plasma is big money
Hey so you know how each dedicated Chaos legion has a poor people unit, Tzangors, Poxwalkers and Jackhals? What do you think the Emperor's Children are getting?
Probably either horrors or kinky cultists
Slaaneshi repentia
@@stripeybag6977 only fan's models?
@@grahaldmills5930 with special judiciary esque model that would whipped their asses
Those furries from fury crusades
Supercharging is never a downside my friend, I ALWAYS super charge the Macro Plasma it’s just so fun 🤣
I love my Redemptor it Carry’s almost every game I play. 100% worth his points
Managed 5th place in GT (4--1)
with Ironstorm 3xRedemptors/ 1xStormraven, 2xVindicator,1xLand Raider Redeemer, and Feirros- some extra techmarines and H.Intercessors Redemptors are real Pain with SR mobility!
I just really like the idea of going full dakka with the Redemptor, HOGC+OGC, Icarus and Fragstorm, and just start blasting at any and all one wound infantry ^^ .
Oh yeah!
I'm currently running a Redemptor in my Crusade list, and deliberately took the Gatling Cannons for one simple reason: Upgrades. Improving damage and AP of the Gatling Cannon by one each means they absolutely chew through MEQs, and can chip surprising amounts of damage off of heavy vehicles, as well as being usable in melee.
YUS! Exactly what I would do if anyone in my community did crusade.
@@jimmysmith2249 Ah, a pity they don't - it's a lot more interesting than playing standard games. We did have to homebrew a few rules though - the Tyrannic War crusade supplement has a way to give the Redemptor anti-vehicle and anti-monster 4+, meaning that the upgraded gatling cannons would statistically slice a Land Raider in half with every volley 😬
The Redemptor has a lot of potential in Blood Angels LAF, if you're prepared to invest CP into it to make it work. As well as the detachment rule, which certainly gives its melee a bit of a kick, you've got strats for both advance+ shoot+ charge and fall back+ shoot +charge. Then you've got the melee strats to get Lance and force more wounds through when charging a tough vehicle (at S14!) or boost its attacks when someone charges it, though to be honest that's better used on a big unit. You've even got the 5+ FNP strat against Mortals, in case someone tries to ruin your day with Grenades.
Now, if only Blood Angels actually had a source of extra CP...
EDIT: Forgot to mention that if you have a Techmarine operating in close support for a Redemptor and it does go down, a angry BA Techmarine in LAF with a 7-attack Omissian Axe that gets another +1A, +2S on the charge is certainly no joke. Mine cut down the Swarmlord today, though the beggar auto-destructed in response and took the poor guy with him. That's what I get for running Lamenters.
A noble chapter.
Shame the Gatling cannon sucks, it’s my favorite of the two weapons
Good timing, just bought one! Great video mate.
This was my first model purchase after the “introductory” set before moving on to leviathan and now finishing up 2000 points of CSM. It has back problems cause i wasn’t paying close enough attention during assembly lol
Almost all my lists have 2 Redemptors. Opponents can easily deal with one, but 1+1 is often more than 2.
This has reminded me I need to learn more about the difference between the whole firstborn/primaris stuff. I know about the lore side, but when Im looking at models on the table I can never tell the difference. Ive been maining Necrons for years and all of our stuff is so easy to point out
No real difference beyond firstborn getting a couple more weapon option(but can't specialise), their tanks have treds and the venerable dreadnought and being small.
I love this dread. Plasma, Gatling gun and storm bolters. Let’s not forget the rocket pod. Shooty survivable and slaps in melee.
Absolutely love my Redemptor. It's a constant on my Dark Angels list.
I was building one this morning how strange this pops as a video......going to magnetise the top half after watching this
I own some of these for my Dwathwatch (boooo GW).
When I play my tyranids I absolutely tear through these dreadnoughts with Nid shooting, not having an invulnerable makes them very easy to kill to decent dedicated firepower I find.
I run a redempter and ballistus, along with a tech marine. Making that big plasma hit on a 2+ is nuts, especially if you oath. No one wants to go near that side of the board
You get it for durability and rejoice if it does something offensively. It's a tad expensive points-wise though.
a lone redemptor is pretty good. 3 are a threat that almost no army can handle easily.
i just wish they would be a tiny bit cheaper or maybe just be a bit better at shooting
They show up very often in my lists. I like to take 2 of them. But I like all dreads, they look so cool to me ❤
And there are a few factions that just have a nightmare of a time dealing with redemptors, anything that uses a lot of two damage S 6 -8 stuff like deathgaurd and world eaters.
The Redemptor is the best, but also the most expensive Dread. The damage reduction, combined with a good hybrid model who is good in both shooting and melee is really not bad! But as always, hybrid models are oftne overshined by specialists in their area
As always, good video. The redemptor is a meh in fire a power and melee, good resistence but the cost is a lil too much... The main problem is that is overshadowed by the vindicator, which is better at range, similar resistence and way cheaper. The melee isnt enough to justifique this model.
I always have at least 2 rédemptors in my lists . I love the model too much
I am assembling a light raveguard scout/ambush force of 3 Redemptor, 3 Brutalis, 3 Balistus, 3 invictor, 3 tech marines and repurposed "Ironfather" as senior tech marine...
They will sneak up on target and kill it.
First born dreadnaught get the shaft as always. Maybe one way to salvage it without step over the role of brutualis/ballastius is the give a role similar to phobo armor marine. Some thing like stealth or shoot and fade version of dreadnaught. So instead of straight up heavy defense, it gain defense through evasion and speed.
Kind of silly imagine a speed version of dread
Nah, leave them as they are. The game has moved on, and now they are for horus heresy.
For 30 more points I'd take a land raider which is tougher, has better damage output and can transport 12 models. For 80 less I'd take a ballistus which is actually useful against most vehicles and almost as tough to kill as the redemptor. At 210 points I find the redemptor to be a bit lacking, the macro plasma whiffs more often than not, and none of the other weapons do much. Even in melee he barely scratches a light infantry squad
Thanks for the video
My redemptor dreadnought has given me multiple wins
He killed 20 necron warriors in two separate games
He killed a land raider solo
Rolls constant 5 ups against tougher units
I've named him mary because of the hail mary's he's given me
Will always prefer the Box-naught
Redemptor was the real MVP of Space Marine 2
I am curious which would be better Leviathan or Redemptor?
Newb here: why does the damage reduction 'do nothing' to Dam1 attacks? Am I missing something?
I've had a redemptor for years and it's always let me down 😂 I keep bringing it though, great model
It’s lesser known ability is being able to take cover and use it as a ranged weapon
Gimme one of those cool grav flux bombards
The Redemptor is nice but the weapons aren't great. The Onslaught cannon is fine against gaunts or guardsmen, and the plasma is almost useless against vehicles, it is better for more elite infantry. If this could have the lascannon and an powerfist, it would be better.
Completely agree. My experience exactly.
Who else here thinks that tyranid melee warriors are underrated?
Not because of meta but because they don't have those ugly horse dick weapons
Maybe, but mainly the problem holding them back is their weird weapon profile. Damage 1 means they just don't get the damage they need out, even if the rest of the profile is great.
Also, the ranged warriors have a slightly worse version of their melee, but also have shooting and are cheaper.
They're good at killing most things in melee, however it's getting then there. They're *so* squishy it's hard work to deliver them, a plasma redemptor will one shot that unit with ease
@@MrShukaku1991 Melee warriors and winged prime absolutely demolish heavy infantry when they get into melee. Even better than genestealers imo
@@jacket2848 Keep them hidden in reserves until you need to, then surprise assault from behind. If they manage to charge that’s 36 attacks with str 6 ap -2 twin linked sustained hits 1. No infantry is surviving that. And yes, the redemtor can do a lot of damage to them, but the redemptor does a lot of damage to everything it can shoot
A video about the ‘slang’ you and others common use in there content ex: the common stratagems that you refer to
I feel like they have been seeing more use since a certain scene in a certain videogame did the rounds.
I just dont like the new design, he does have a lot of tau details, also i dont like the lack of weapon options, would be great to have a twin multimelta, lascannon, Also old assault cannon looks better than onslaught. Decent rules.
It's a fantastic looking model when posed appropriately. The legs and arms as so articulated that you can have them stepping on rocks, arms at rest by its side etc. it's genuinely a fantastic model. The monopose is a bit goofy with its pose however
@@Adlore Legs too long, belly to big, armor too open. tau drones instead of weapon pods. He looks poor, not threatening to me. I can only agree to disagree.
I feel it doesn’t look 40K enough. When I eventually pick one up I’m probably going to buy a third party chassis with a bunch of gothic details
I'd like to see all the redemptor chassis get the -1 damage and the original redemptor get and different special rule. Also....gatling cannons with 0 ap come on!!! The dev wounds is cute, but no way to reroll on any gatling cannons throughout the codex.
He should have an ability that allows him to throw terrain to enemies
With a fnp and AoC these things die hard. They should really have the smoke keyword then things would get really zany 😮
Hazardous Mortal Wounds should be D3 instead of a flat 3
I feel all the other dreadnoughts have been nerfed or gone to legends. I cant remember the last time i seen a dreadnought apart from a space marine brutalis & redemptor
Yeah you're correct, Leviathan and Contemptor are legends and the mini box naught is utter crap
Yes, the Redemptor King of the Dreads :)
Always puzzled when people call it durable. I stopped playing mine because it kept getting one shotted off the board.
powerful enough to get nerfed in december
Bjorn is my king of the dreads
IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR I CAST YOU DOWN!
I’ve never been this early
Don't ever build it into a list with my BA right now, does not have a role, a place.
Don't know if the most powerful. But after SM2 the most gigachad.
I mean... After deleting every single other dread from the game... yeah, obviously he's going to start to get up there in the ranking.
Still, if GW wasn't so bad at their job, they would have merged the 3 primaris dread as one kit and let us mix and match any of their weapons for more builds and fun.
Contemptors and leviathans all the way.
Ur forgetting a redemptor is able to one-shot kill a heldrake no problem
In terms of tournament legal models, I agree that the baseline Redemptor is the "King" of the Imperial dreadnaught type models.
In terms of models that have 10th Ed. rules though, I'd actually have to say it's Carab Culn. He may be in legends, but he's actually got a 10th ED. statsheet that can be pulled up via datasheet viewers. Still the only dreadnaught with a melee weapon that does more than 3 damage, has a sturdy body, reliable range output.
Aside from the tournament legality and purchasability, the only thing that the Redemptor has over Culn is that it can switch weapon loadouts
i would rather take something with 2-6 shots that has high S ap and D then an infantry killer thats S6 ap-1 damage 1
better chance at killing shit
Even with the plasma all the other guns add up for a lot of damage against light infantry too
Sigma grindset incarnate
Never use mine, its to big. And I refuse to use it on principle as it should have had the lascannon and missile launcher in the orginal box. I get more value out of my castaferum giving to hit rerolls of 1's to my infantry.
i want it but with dual guns.
My friends hate it so it must be good 😇
The redemptor is overpriced imo.
Shooting meh, melee just ok. Ballistus is tougher per point.
You can get a vindicator for 35 less points.
I’d like to see redemptor at 190
This model desperately needs a 4++ invu
The solution to lack of durability isn't slapping invulns on everything
@@oliverp3545 umm yes it is.
@mtrunkello so a Mastodon deserves an invuln because it's meant to be the most durable transport in the game but can still be destroyed turn 1 by most shooting armies?
@@oliverp3545 mastodon is t14 with 30 wounds. How is that even compareable? Redemptor is just t10 12 w for 1/3rd the price.
@mtrunkello the comparability lies in that it's got awful durability for cost, it would be better to take 2 Landraiders and a Rhino over it, but for the Mastodon an invuln wouldn't fix the durability issue for it.
Invulns are a bandaid issue for the fact that there's just too much anti large weapons in the game and so large things need to compensate for it in order to stay alive.
Lead me to the slaughter!
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Leviathan dreadnaught is better, more options for weapons, same rules.
It's too expensive to be usable. It's just unreliable fire damage. Own 2 of them and they no longer see play.
"what can it do in game" - not much. too expensive for its shooting. too fragile to be a distraction carnifex. had one unload on a unit this week with oath and do literally nothing. 1 damage iirc. when you look at the raw numbers it just doesn't do anything except into chaff, at which point it is trading down in a big way. look at the Custodes Telemon and tell me with a straight face the Redemptor is worth 210pts.
Redemptor: exists
Helldrake: ‘hehe i’m in danger!’
The guns suck ass but they punch hard and stick around just long enough to justify their points.
powerfull but overprized with 210 points
For the algorithm
I don't care if it's good I play the Redemptor Dreadnought cause it's the space marines coolest "signature" model
taking one of these to a local tournament today. may the emperor bless him with wrath and fury
Damn, almost first 😭 I’ll take third though at less than a minute ✌🏻