The White Trees of Arda | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth
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- The White Tree of Gondor, a symbol of the Kings of Numenor. But more than that, it represented their friendship with the Lords of the Valinor. How did the Dead Tree in Court of the Fountain come to be? Who gave the Numenoreans the White Tree in the first place?
And what was its lineage and history?
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GeekZone Good job love your videos even though I have red all of Tolkien s books and I know it I just love them and you are smart and think of many theories I woud have never thought of. Great job! Keep going!
Video Comentaror Cheers mate, I"m glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate the comment!
Love your vids.
Tolkien's world is so rich and so wonderfully conceived.
You present it wonderfully.
Thank you
I bet people will still listen to these in a thousand years
Great video, I loved your video about wether good orcs are possible👍
Thanks Jon, though I doubt youtube will still be around then! :P
I almost want to have a white tree emitting light of pure silver in my yard. Amazing how Tolkien makes the history of artifacts and trees feel real like it was once here on Earth.
I'm sure it would look awesome!
They used to sell them as christmass trees in the 1960's , my parents bought one, so was my family christmass tree for decades, I remenber it very fondly
Buy a a tree that blooms white flowers. My cherry tree looks like the white tree in spring.
4:44 Sauron knows what's good. He uses Daedric gear.
I remember reading somewhere that the white trees grew extremely slowly and that Aragorn thought/felt that the seedling he and Gandalf found was just 20 or so years shy of being the same age as Aragorn and must have sprout some 100 years before their present.
Thank you for delving so deep into the greatest work of fantasy ever written
The richness of Tolkians world is unmatched and worthy of scholarly pursuit
You are doing great justice in this
Blessings
I'm learning all this lore without having to read, it's great. Another good video, thanks for doing the heavy lifting
Thank you for putting this out. It came out shortly after I saw the new Star Wars and got so mad at that crappy film, I just needed to listen to some Lord of the Rings lore. It is calming.
Lol i feel ya bro
You're welcome buddy, I wasn't too happy with it either, though know some people that loved it.
a person of culture i see xD
There isn't a big enough way to put my disappointment for those films in writing!!!!! So yeah I totally agree with you!!!
Another excellent video karl.This has to be one of the most interesting topics i've seen so far.Keep up the good work.
Thanks Alex I'm glad you enjoyed it ! :)
Excellent video Geek!!!! I honestly love The White Tree and its very deep backstory going back to since before The First Age it is one of my most favorite artifacts in the Legendarium and I wish I had one growing in my back yard XD Loved this video and can't wait for the next one!!! :)
Luke Skywalker the 2nd Cheers Luke! Have you watched the last jedi yet? I'm curious what you thought of it!
GeekZone Sadly not yet I'm gonna see it tommorow on Sunday so I have been trying my best to avoid spoilers LOL Without spoiling anything what are your thoughts on the film?! :)
Eh honestly I was a bit dissapointed, but I went with a group of friends and some of them loved :) I think it depends very much on the person watching it
GeekZone Yeah from what I've heard its pretty polarizing tbh I'm not sure what I'm gonna feel when I walk out of the theater I'll just have to find out!!! :)
Beautiful job. Your passion for Middle Earth comes through, and I love this channel. Thank you for your hard work!!
I'm binge watching all your lore videos. Great content!
Fantastic video, my friend. I loved watching the lineage of the white trees, and their relationship (and analogy) to the lineage of the kings of men.
Great video man. I've read all this stuff so much but all the topics are so spread out among all his works. You do such a great job of pulling all the info together that you learn something new or remember something forgotten each video. Thx!
Thanks Jesse! :)
This is quite interesting. No one had made a video about this tree before.
Your descriptions are excellent, with straight facts and then a bit of personal thoughts with quotations from the books. Always happy to watch.
Cheers mate!
Really well done...I used to view half a dozen lore vids but yours is the only one that still interests me.
You have a handed way of getting to the heart of it without skipping poignant details that enhance the story's fantastical elements.
Thanks Chris, glad I could do that! :)
Do you think that when Valar created the trees, they put some fraction of their own essence/power into them, similar as Melkor did with his corruptions?
Thank you so much for this; I've wondered about this for ages!
Well done. I enjoyed your video. Please do more.
"Hey, Friends, it's Carl here." Hearing this always makes me happy. Almost as happy as "Audible hopes you have enjoyed this program." It's like everything in the world will be ok as long as I keep hearing these phrases.
Loving the videos 👍🏻 keep up the great work bro.
Cheers!
Thanks for the video! Well done, as always. I wasn’t very familiar with the history of the white tree, but I feel like I have a decent grasp of it now
Fr. Andy Gutierrez Thanks buddy! :)
I really enjoyed this video, great work thanks
Of course the sapling’s growth is not coincidence. The entire land seems laced with magic, good and evil. It is prophecy, that the tree would reappear with the appearance of a noble and humble king. As I read it, it did not surprise me. That Gandalf found it makes me believe he knew of it’s growth all along and therefore, knew of Aragorn’s destiny...with that, also the hope of Frodo’s quest.
Tolkien came to believe that magic was strictly neutral, neither good nor evil. That was determined by the intent of the user.
Great lore review as always, please keep it up. Since you talked about the Trees, how about a review of the Lamps of the Valar, which as you know are the predecessors of the Trees. Thanks again!
I'd like to cover them in the future, perhaps a trilogy of videos, the first focusing on the lamps, the second in the trees, and the last one about the sun and moon
There are so many wonderful themes in Tolkien's work. I've enjoyed these books for over fifty years... and I'm enjoying these videos as well. Thank you.
Excellent video!
I knew the white tree was an ancient symbol of Numenor and a sign of the health of the kingdom, but the way you filled in the line of the white tree was truly wonderful. I have always marveled at the attention to detail and richness of story that Tolkien gave to Middle Earth. You did a fantastic job on this video.
Thank you :)
I love the skyrim music in the background
Cheers John!
Great video!!
Good job keep it up 👍
Twinkie Master23 Cheers mate!
There is such a difference in the mic. Its so sweet D:
Fun fact, my name is also Karl! And I also love the Silver Tree (hence my username). Probably the most important aspect of the White Tree of Gondor, in addition to everything else, is that it is the last living link to Heaven (being the great, great, great, great, great, grandson of Telperion). Additionally the Gondorians are the last people who know the "true religion". That is they, beside the Elves, are the last people to know the truth about the Universe: the Valar, Valinor, and Eru Iluvatar. Sauron would dearly love to see the White Tree destroyed.
Addendum: Tar Palantir was "too late" to save Numenor not because the Valar wouldn't forgive him or his people, but because too many generations of Numenoreans had grown up under previous spiteful kings and their anti-Valinorian propaganda. Tar Palantir and his government might have been trying to repair the breach but the majority of the citizens had bought into the "fake news" of the previous kings and rebelled against the throne. That is, Ar Pharazon saw his opportunity to rebel against Tar Palantir's mission and usurp his dynasty by using Tar Palantir's unpopularity against him for his own rise to power...thus dooming the only hope Numenor had to avoid it's sad fate.
Ah, awesome name then buddy! I'm curious to know why you liked the Silver Tree so much, quite a distinct part of the lore to be drawn to! I wish we had more information about 'Religion' and the Beliefs of other Men such as the Rohirrim, I don't believe we're ever told about it.
Regarding Tar Palantir being too late, there's a direct quote from the Silmarillion which says "But his repentance was too late to appease the anger of the Valar with the insolence of his fathers, of which the greater part of his people did not repent" From my understanding, it implies that the Valar would not forgive them due to the present situation in Numenor (That there still was bad blood between the vast majority of Numenoreans and Valinor). I feel it's similar to the point you brought up, though I guess I could have been more specific during the video :) Thanks for your contributions as always! It's nice seeing fellow passionate fans of Tolkien's works!
Mmmmm...I love Telperion for several reasons: 1) the beauty of the word itself, how it looks visually and how it sounds, 2) I love the concept of the Two Trees being the original light of creation before the Sun and the Moon and how their fate (and the fate of their light within the Silmarils) will determine the fate of the World, 3) I've always liked silver more than the other precious metals, 4) I love the Elves and the Elves also venerated silver and the Silver Tree above the other colors/metals...and whatever the Elves love makes me love those things even more 5) that Silver was the Elder Color, the color of the magic world of the Valar and Elves while gold is the color of Man and the modern world under the New Light of the Sun, 6) that Telperion's scions continue on and are the last living links to Paradise and our connection to something greater 7) the White Tree would become represented in Gondorian art (the hemispherical fan of it's branches as part of Gondor's flag and logo) and in architecture (the domes used in Gondorian construction are a salute to the hemispherical fan of branches...which is a beautiful link to Rome & Constantinople in the real world).
And yes, a real joy to have another uber-fan out there, especially one doing such high quality lessons of the source material. I've often thought how fun it would be to teach a class on Tolkien's world or do some TH-cam stuff myself. If I did it would be very similar to what you're doing right now. Cheers!
It's honestly quite an experience, cause even while researching and preparing notes, you come across things you overlooked in the past or that you never fully appreciated! If you ever happen to commit to making some Videos on the Lord of the Rings I'd be happy to help, be it simple channel advice or helping out in the research!
The exact nature of the line of white trees is somewhat disputed. While the Silmarillion tells us that Galathilion was an image of Telperion created by Yavannah herself, Gandalf states that it was a seedling of the legendary tree (though of course the descendants didn't give off light, regardless of what their origin was). The Silmarillion is written in the mode of a history, specifically a summary of the great events of the First Age, compiled by Bilbo into "Translations From the Elvish" from many sources available at Rivendell (including interviews with Elves old enough to remember these events). Bilbo seemed to have used a good bit of poetic license, as the differences between the older "Lost Tales" & the finished Sil are vast. I think Gandalf's account is more likely to be true; as Olorin, he would have come into Middle Earth at its very beginning, and would be in a position to give witness to these events.
There was no known image of Laurelin on Middle Earth, though Turgon did have an image of it wrought from gold in Gondolin. It has been speculated that the mallorn is a descendant of Laurelin, but that species of tree likely existed before the kindling of the Two Trees, as Yavannah sowed the seeds of all plants before the trees came into existence.
Brilliant analysis and summary! Tolkien's works are unrivaled in their intricacies and beauty!
Thanks Scott! :)
nice video again brother, love finding these in my sub box when im high as shit
Cheers buddy!
I know I'm not the only one who hits the like button before GeekZone's videos even begin playing. You are exceptional, good friend.
Thanks very much MasterRanger!
great video
Your videos are terrific. That is all.
Greetings Karl a fellow Malteser here! I was wondering if you ever made a video concerning the other more mysterious Istari, the Blue wizards Alatar and Pollando! Would be nice if you would enlighten us with some info on them, thanks and keep up!
King Durin Hey man, I've yet to make on them, though I hope to cover them in the next few weeks as I think it's an awesome topic to research about!
GeekZone It would be delightful as both of them are so enigmatic and so few info is there about them, and even though I have the silmarillian book sometimes I get lost as I read and your vids make everything easy and clear! And I guess there could be some info on Durin the 7th last king under the mountain?
I'm not sure about Durin, I'll look into it! :)
Another Malteser here. Well done Carl
very good vid, keep it up
I live to serve Lord Vader.
I been replaying The Third Age game from 2004. Massively underrated LOTR game.
Some future topics you may cover could be: Cubicle 7's "THE ONE RING" roleplaying game books. Some of the art is impressive. They have a MORIA BOX SET being published in 2018.
I'll look into it :)
I love that you use Skyrim music at the end of your videos sometimes😂
Great video I realy learn more About the books of lotr and the hobbit thx
You're welcome buddy! :)
Vlogging Skills You are a Good person
I would like to pay tribute to a Nienna video! Pretty please. You're one of the best.
The song from Skyrim is so fitting for this video. :)
You're voice sounds like it came from a high born in fantasy games, but with a twist of wise and knowledge, love your lotr videos !!
Thanks Chris, your comment really amused me!
@@GeekZoneMT Yeah, I want you to read my eulogy. It would make me sound like I was a king.
I love this story!
thank you for the video, i have always wanted to no, its history!!!
You're welcome!
I love these videos. Do you have one on the blue wizards that went into the east? I can't even describe the disappointment I faced when I finished reading The Hobbit, LoTR, and the Silmarillion, only to find out that there was no such book that focused specifically on the wizards of Middle Earth. I know there's not a lot of base material to go off of, but I feel like I need to know.
Make a video about Barad Dur!
I'll add it to my list, thanks for the suggestion :)
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers m,ate!
Wondering about relationships between the White Tree and the Ents and also the Trees of Light to the Ents as well
This makes me want a White Tree of my own.
Could always grow a birch tree, it's quite similar!
After watching this video, I looked up types of trees with white bark. I will plant one in a fountain in my front yard some day.
Who’s to say that Trees years from now won’t also glow. Maybe middle earth is still to come.
I wonder why Gandalf calls Telperion "eldest of trees", because in there are trees mentioned in the silmarillion even before the valar moved to valinor
Mhm that's quite an interesting point! Perhaps it wasn't literal, similarly to Treebeard saying that he was eldest?
Morinor maybe eldest of this line od trees?
Telperion came to full growth and light before Laurelin did, hence Telperion was the eldest of the Two Trees of Valinor, which Gandalf would know as a maiar
he meant the eldest of Trees , trees with names. Teleperion is the oldest named tree and the first to be grown with the direct efforts of the Valar.
Yes you can really see how much inspiration George had from LOTR.
Yep... he did. But... he was also tremendously influenced by Joseph Campbell. Lucas read the book "A Hero's Journey" just before he wrote the screen play for Star Wars. Look into it, Campbell's works are excellent... mostly about folk lore and mythology... and how myth is constructed in culture. This, along with Tolkien's works, were basically where Lucas learned to put all the components together for his own stuff. It's too bad most modern writers are such idiots and can't seem to get their own acts together.
@@truthseeker4128 yes, The Princess of Mars books are very ahead of their time but so much better written then the newer stuff today. Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote them just before the 20th century too, BEFORE we even had the knowledge about the science's in the books. Science Fiction is becoming more and more real with each passing decade. I'm happy to be alive in the science era we're in 🤗 they made a movie about the The Gods of Mars called John Carter.
Great video!
I have to make two additions though:
The first white tree in the image of Telperion, Galathilion, is pronounced with the stress on the "thil", So actually Galathìlion.
Another thing I would like to add is that king Turgon of Gondolin had forged an image of the two trees Telperion and Laurelin from gold and silver. It's just another evidence that some Noldor were regretful of leaving, or at least remembered the trees.
Once again the The White family Tree of Numenor is besieged
I Bid you, Stand Men of the West!
is it?
Great story.
Thanks!
what kind of three was that? I want one in my garden xD
I do like the Grommash Hellscream soundtrack from Warcraft.
Blessed sapling.. life and renewal are sacred.
Last year on my birthday I was given a boat from a stranger for free, it’s named Nimloth and I find the situation remarkable strange and beautiful, I just found out the boats real name is Nimloth from the boatpapers and not “Nimlot” as it’s written on the boat. I’m now renovating it and I’ve already bought white paint luckily. You tell me what the gods are telling me?
Please do a video on Morgoth
I hope to do so in the near future! :)
For Gondor
GeekZone Correct me if I am wrong, I know that the focus was on the trees (so awesome), but weren't the Numenoreans that were corrupted by Sauron later called "Black Numenoreans"? Also didn't Osse sank the island of Numenor into the sea to also destroy the Black Numenoreans and almost more importantly Sauron (Note that it only destroyed his physical form, but not his spirit)? What are your thoughts?
Gingerbrettman there's a mud called Mume that is pretty awesome. In it as one of the evil races you can play a black Numenorean. They are the followers of Sauron. But no it was Eru himself that sunk Numenor including Sauron. That destroyed his physical form and also took away his ability to polymorph. Just as had previously happened to Morgoth.
Not exactly, as some Numenoreans had settled in Middle-Earth, and these survived the downfall of Numenor though they still shared similar beliefs to the 'bad' Numenoreans in Numenor; and so they survived, becoming the black numenoreans :)
GeekZone ahh. Was just going off Mume. There is no choice. If you are a BN you are on the dark side and a follower of Sauron. I figured all the good guys were of Arnor or Gondor. I forget not everything dark had to be evil. Like the dark elves in his world.
the term "Black Numenorean" only came into use after Gondor's founding. Previously it was the King's Men who worshipped Sauron.
The subject of rebirth is a constant theme in these works, not just with the White Tree.
To be honest I felt the theme of 'fading' was more prominent that rebirth in the books
You're correct, but I think they're intertwined. It seems each "rebirth" is somewhat weaker than its earlier form. In re: Ungoliant & her spawn & her spawns' spawn. Same with the White Tree, each successive generation seems to be a bit "less" than the preceding one. The same with the Numenoreans. So it seems that the further one gets from the "First Age" the less "power" is available, or at least incarnated. Almost like the "manna" is being used up as in Niven's books on the fading of magic.
Someday I will reread the Silmarillion...after I kick the kids out. 😁 Until then, watching these vids remind me of the details I have forgotten. Thanks!
Why is the name Gondor well outside the blue outlined on the map? Something tells me the size of Gondor in it's prime is not portrayed.
Imagine that Arda is exactly Earth before 50 milon years ago and we are still waiting for Dagor Dagorath or imagine that Earth is created after Dagor Dagorath
if today was after dagor dagorath, the world would have no evil. so I guess we can look forward to the arrival of the dark lord xD
Morinor that would be great😂😂
Probably the white tree that died with steward indicates that the king never returned since that king was lost, not necesarily dead, and the dead of the tree says that that king was lost forever
I thought it might reflect that perhaps the Royal bloodline in the Southern Kingdom of Gondor had died out or diminished too much to reclaim the throne and so the tree died along with it. Instead they would have to rely on the Northern Kingdom's line, that of Arnor, which would come with a new white tree Sapling.
the Tree died during the times of the Kings of Gondor, not the time of the Ruling Stewards. The line continued with the king's brother's descendants.
the second tree died probably of simple old age- it was over 150 years old and suffered a lot of pain and Gandalf warned Aragorn to always plant a seedling if he could find it, because it sprouted rarely, probably within the time frame. Aragorn is never mentioned as having to do that in his lifetime, so a healthy Tree might live roughly the same time as him, and Eldarion would have to plant a new seed.
I want to know more about you the narrator. Are you on FB?
Do you mean a facebook page for my channel or a personal one?
GeekZone I mean a personal Facebook page. I love your voice!
Cheers man! To be honest moment I try to keep some privacy regarding my individual details, as I enjoy the anonymity, however in the future I might eventually make a couple of personal videos, in which case any anonymity will be gone :p
Numenoreans sounds like metaphors for Noah or maybe Atlantis to me.
Hahaha damnit sauron you sneaky bastard
They preferred the white tree? Sounds like Arbor Privilege.
I thought the story said that Isildur took a cutting from Nimloth, not a fruit.
Frank Mueller he took a single fruit.
SantomPh could have sworn it said 'cutting', but I stand corrected.
@@frankmueller2781 he cut a fruit from the tree, which he planted in the Faithful's headquarters and grew into a seedling. Cutting implies he took a whole branch with him, which he could not.
If the numenorians came from the edain then what does the dun in dunedain mean?
edain means "elf friend", particularly to the three houses of men that befriended them in the first age
the prefix "dun" means "west", so dunedain means "elf friend of the west" or "man of the west" being that the edain were of men
@@infernalone666 Thank you 👍
Bilbo explains it to Frodo in Many Meetings:
"I thought you knew enough Elvish to know 'Dun-adan' , Man of the West, Numenorean." Frodo only knew him as Strider, so he is surprised when Bilbo asked him if he had seen the Dunadan, who is Aragorn.
Edain does not mean "elf-friend" it literally means "men" . The formal word for the race of Men is Atanari. Adan is the singular form. Bilbo tells Frodo that Aragorn is a Man of the Numenorean race.
Elf-friend is "Elendil" or "Elendili" for plural, although it is close to Elvish for Devoted to the Stars (the Elendimir, for example is Star-Jewel)
Did anything happen with the golden tree
well both trees are poisoned and killed by Ungoliant. However a fruit from the golden tree is recovered, and eventually becomes the sun
It is said Galadriel cultivated the Mallorn trees to resemble Laurelin as tributes, but they are not related to the Gold Tree, unlike the White Tree which is a direct descendant of Telperion the Silver.
the white tree became a fruit and managed to continue its lineage but the golden tree bore a flower which the Valar turned into the Sun.
I find it frustrating that Eru Illuvatar steps in to crush the Numenorians who stand no chance against the Valar but stands back when Morgoth attacks the Valar countless times and enslaved the first elves.
It is important to note that The Valar didn't know how to handle men, They don't even know what happens to humans when they die, Humans are Eru Illuvitars domain alone, So when the Numenorians does their transgression the Valar literary don't know how to react and Eru Illuvatar has to do the job of smiting.
The Valar is very much the gods of everybody else but men, Mostly elves.
Men had been given the gift of mortality but also. A far higher responsibility for they will help sing the second song of creation. One untainted by morgoth. It's like a builder attempting to usurp a decrepit castle when he's already been contracted to build a better one. Such an attempt is deeply against the first music. Eru had to directly intervene. Without it numenor would have taken the undying lands since the valar are not allowed to impinge on eru's domain and man is strictly his and creation would have unraveled.
Did it ever say in the books that the fruits of the trees were ever eaten
strider04 no one ate the fruits. The seeds were planted as soon as they could and the trees were not touched otherwise
ok
One thing is , nowhere i believe in Tolkein's works does he mention that Eriu íllúvatar is a man...
Could the steward be a distant relative, maybe trough a daughter?
the Stewards come from a different house of nobles, the House of Hurin (not the one in Silmarillion, same name) that traditionally served in that role to the King. They may have married into the house from time to time, but there are no records of any of that line being crowned or made queen.
Gondor also only follows bloodlines via the fathers, so anyone from a female line does not count. Arvedui, the last king of Arnor claimed the crown of Earnur via his wife Firiel, daughter of Ondoher, the king before Earnur's father Earnil but Steward Pelendur refused him, crowning Earnil instead- a relative who was a male descendant of an even earlier king but in true line. Aragorn ironically claims his kingship of Arnor by this virtue as well, and then later of Gondor via the line all the way to Elendil (as well as being accepted by Gondor's people as king in his own right).
Boromir once asked Denethor how long the Stewards would just be Stewards and not king. Denethor replied not in a thousand years or ever. He was powerful but knew he was not royal, and could never be the ruler on the throne.
The link of the trees to the rulers might be coincidence, but the tree is not descended from Middle Earth so we can never tell. Its death during the Steward Belecthor's time might have just been a natural death, as the Stewards themselves forgot or did not know the grove where Aragorn would find the sapling buried long ago. Perhaps Belecthor died before he could tell his son about the grove, or some earlier king or steward forgot.
All hail lord Morgoth
Hmmm. Wondering about any sentience in the White Tree. Anything akin to the Old Man Willow of Tom Bombadil, then any vague connection to JK Rowling's Whomping Willow ?
Was Morgoth and Sauron were elves before they became the dark lords?
Jon Li No. Morgoth was Valar and i Maiar.
they both were ainur, spirits that existed even before the world, and Morgoth was the most powerful of them, he also is the reason for everything that is evil. Sauron is a lesser spirit who served morgoth.
Morinor technically Sauron was a maia of Aule
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Why Gandalf defeat Balrog?
Why he didn't climb up to the bridge?
Tomasz Wilk The Balrog is also a Maiar, similar to Gandalf as age has no weight on its existence. Similar to getting on the bad side of an elf, and being pursued endlessly. This is just speculation, but the best thing to do was to slay the Balrog in order to prevent it from leaving the Misty Mountains and creating havoc and following them wherever they go, or from falling under the command of Sauron.
climb up? they fell into an abyss.
Why, in my view, if Men were not allowed to set foot on the Undying Lands then why was Numenor set up to where they could barely see it?Was this a test to resist temptation? I think it was a dick move on the part of the Valar to keep what is forbidden close but just out of reach.
I've always felt it was a gift. That they were allowed to live closer to Valinor as they were the best 'branch' of the race of men. Though I can see why it would feel bitter about it with time
They could have said something like, " Your way into the Undying Lands is different from the firstborn. But it can only be discovered through wisdom not through dominance."
The thing is they're just never meant to go the Undying lands. In the films they seem to suggest that the race of Men go there when they die (Elrond tells Aragorn that he should delay his love for her till both of them are in the undying lands). However in Tolkien's Lore Men go to a different place that Eru Iluvatar had created for them, though we're not told anything about it
Well if that is true then it would change everything. Unfortunately I don't think the race of Men were told either.
there was a debate between Elven visitors and the King of Numenor with his son. The Elves argue that humans would be destroyed by the Undying Lands as their bodies are not suited for its aura. The King argues that they just want to visit the Elves.
the only mortals invited to Valinor are ones that are presumably accomodated by the Valar.
You pronounce Edain strangely.
But you showed capable of pronouncing Dúnedain right in the past.
George RR Martin stole the idea of the Weirwood Trees in ASOIAF from Tolkien.
Joe Jessup The idea of worshipping trees go back ages
he did not steal it so much as he took inspiration from it. Many of ASOIAF themes are related to Tolkein- think of the arrival of the Ring Wraiths at Weathertop it is similar to the arrival of the Others
moreover, Westeros resembles northwestern Middle-Earth. The Sunset Sea and the myths and history surround it implies Valinor and Numenor.
Joe Jessup i think ASOIAF is a rip off of tolkiens work
Xaelyrion LOTR takes many stories, combines them and creates an original world. ASOIAF clearly steals many LOTR bits, doesnt combine and make original just steals
Gods are fickle things.
"prophesize" = not a word
The verb you're looking for is "prophesy" (pron. /pro fe saj/).
Skip the video, guys. Here's the recap: The White Trees were rascist. I can't believe Tolkien would write like that. Way to ruin a masterpiece...