The History and Powers of the Palantiri | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth
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- The Palantiri, the Seeing stones of the Noldor. What were they, who made them, and what was their final fate? In this episode we discuss all of these questions and more, such as the history of each Palantir, their properties and powers as we unravel their mysteries!
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Latest video's finally up, subtitles should be up soon (hopefully!). Sorry that it's been a while since I've posted, have been really busy in real life! Should be back to my normal schedule now!
GeekZone how about doing a video on Isildor, Anorien and Elendil?
I'll add it to my list, thanks for the suggestion! :)
Can you do a vid on weather top history plz
ye for sure!
Thx
Saruman swiped right for Sauron on Palantinder.
Underrated
What is this guy name? Scarle?
That's so funny
These 2 love birds 😂
If only they could use the palantir to find the Entwives...
Hahahaha XD
but even if they saw them with the palantir they would not recognize them as entwives
TheBibo Sez hey now. that's good stuff. they should of let tree beard try it.
They are in the Old Forest! 🤔😉
Old man willow prob smashed
Palan = far and wide
Tir = to watch
Tele = far
Vision = to see
well, both should have an HD Cable then.
Teletubbies?
JRRT appears to making an analogy
Quenya is based on English, so it makes sense that it'd function similarly.
@@jollygood9183 Maybe, maybe
When I was a kid, I thought Treebeard said "Thats my bark" in the second movie instead of "Bless my bark". I thought for a long time that the palantir was made from his bark and that he was mad that Saurman had one
I like to think that the sons of Feanor did each possess a palantir. It would have made communicating and co-ordinating the seige of Thangorodrim more efficient.
I think this is one of your best videos GeekZone! The information you offer up in it is excellent. I've not read or heard a lot of it. Though I have come to trust your knowledge of Tolkien lore. I dare say it may even surpass my own, which is not easy for me to admit to. So I salute you!
If I had a dollar for every time Talion said Palantir in Act 1
I wish Tolkien had been more detailed on exactly how Sauron 'ensnared' Saruman when he caught him in the Pallantir. Did Sauron forcefully break his will or convert him due to their similar mind set?
Might have been a lil of both ,
Saruman was only in line with him as a trick to get the ring for himself they didn't do a good job explaining this in the movies but he sorta just figured this was the best way to get it
Saruman was never 'ensnared', there for he is too powerfull himself, though he was corrupted by Sauron for sure, to the dark side so to speak, he kept his cards open; to join Sauron if he won, or to betray him and beat him if he were to obtain the ring , as he set out his Uruk-Hai to do. Powerfull as he already is he for sure would use the ring, and thus become the most powerfull entity in Middle-Earth.
It's what Sauron fears the most; the ring in the hands of either Aragorn, Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel...
All other three passed the test, Saruman, well, for a corrupted soul thats not a test
Fascinating! I've always wanted to know more about the palantiri! Thanks so much for this video!
You're welcome mate!
I think you should make a video on Umbar, and what you think happened to the Black Numenoreans that escaped Numenors fall. Your theories always make sense and I've always been a bit fuzzy about Umbar and such. Great video btw! Loved this one.
Cheers mate! I'll add them both to my list! :)
GeekZone Cheers indeed!
Is there any specific lore about the wizards staff’s if so that would be a kool vid
There's very little about them, perhaps I'll include it once I remake my video on the 5 istari!
I think that the wizard's staffs worked like the elven swords of the first age magical in nature but not bound to one person as gandalf changed staffs with radagast the brown and is given a new staff when he returned as gandalf the wight. And when sarumans staff was broken he showed sadness at losing such a powerful instrument. That's just my thought on the matter and sorry if I scrod up any of the grammar writing is not my strong suit. : )
Calum Hood i see but who makes them
The guy in the staff shop. Who else?
@@sicskillz12
@@sicskillz12 Ollivander makes Staffs too ya know ;)
Man ! I just love your videos. Great work again !
Cheers! :)
Hi geekzone I cannot sleep without your soothing voice to calm my busy mind
Love the videos so much, have been hooked for a couple of days amd watched every video uploaded about the LORE. The quality and the amount of information put into these videos is astonishing and on a completely different level. Subbed with all my accounts on TH-cam.
Keep the work up man.
YES! Been waiting for another video this is as brilliant as always mate
Cheers Zach!
Yesss new video!!! Thank you for uploading bro😎
Another wonderful vid, with plenty of thought provoking facts. Thank you.
Very thoroughly done, well done!
Dude this video was definitely worth the wait, again a great video.
Cheers Rick, glad you enjoyed it mate!
Awesome video bud. I love listening to your videos while I am playing Lord of the Rings Online ;) Finished them all a few weeks back, so its nice to have a new one to listen to while I run around western Rohan.
Your videos are the best thing on the internet, thank you for what you do.
Very nice video, good job man! I even thought one of these days that a video about the Palantiri would be great, and now there it is! :D
Thanks Sergiu! :)
"Fall" is a consistent theme in the Middle Earth conception. Fall happens when one tries to obtain what he is not meant to have. Feanor to Denethor, with many exampies. Saruman, Melkor, not Galadriel or Gandolf. One can see Tolkien's classics knowledge with his warning to us all in regard to hubris from the Greek mythologies.
Love love this explanation
new subscriber. wanted to say great job on these LOTR lore videos. they are classy and informative. I like the artwork and video/pics that are included in a purposeful way..not like some videos where they are just thrown around for eye candy. your inclusions are topic specific on whatever you are talking about at that moment. so ending here..bravo and props to you. keep it up..
I like your videos a lot. They are really interesting and well written. And you have a great voice. Thank you.
Thanks this is great insight! 🙌🙌
Always love your Videos!
Thanks mate!
Your videos are always great! Please do more than one every 3 weeks!
Cheers stern, hopefully I'll be back to at least one video a week!
As usual, excellent research, commentary, analysis with reasoned hypothesis and/or speculation appropriately in tune with the world of Tolkien and its spirit.
Thanks Matt, that means a lot to me!
I always found th Palantiri interesting in the LOTR Movies
I’m watching the “Return of the King” again on TV. The orb part came up, so I typed it in TH-cam to learn more about it. They explain nothing in the movies. They shouldn’t have even included it. Or they should have spent an extra 10 minutes explaining some information about it. Some spoken word exposition from Gandalf would’ve been perfect, but instead when I watched the movie for the first time I was just like “WTF is that orb?”... and I never got an answer. I get that info may be in the books, but they shouldn’t show it in the movies if they weren’t going to explain it.
@@notmyrealname3403 They do kind of hint at their capabilities in the first movie when Gandalf first confronts Saruman.
Nice vid, Geek!
What I like about the palantiri is that they are one of the obvious Magic things in middle-earth.
I think feanor might have intended to use them as you suggested, but I don't think that they actually uesd them, and they might have left them in valinor as they left in haste. Also it would be odd for feanor to give his sons such different palantiri. It would make more sense of there was one masterstone and seven lesser ones. Maybe it was also more of an experiment, and he intended to create eight perfect palantiri for himself and his sons
Cheers Morinor! Yes there are a few issues with that, even considering that the major stones were extremely heavy and would be difficult to carry around. However I found it to be an interesting coincidence and thought it's worth pointing out! :)
Very interesting video. Well done!
This was a great video, I really enjoyed it! At 13:00, there's a picture used with a palantir in it that has a very small Space Shuttle in the lower, right-hand corner. Don't know what that means but if you look, you'll see it.
Excellent synopsis as always! I especially liked your insight into the number of Palantiri matching the number of Feanor and his sons. It seems to convenient to be a coincidence and it makes perfect sense that if Feanor was indeed the creator of the Palantiri that he would bequeath them to his sons, and that they would use them to communicate across the wide distances of Beleriand over which they were spread. It is interesting to think if the sons of Feanor possessed them whether or not they would have shared them with the Houses of Fingolfin and Finarfin, which would have given the Noldor a major strategic advantage in their siege against Angband. I don't believe they would have shared them even if it was for the greater good, and this could have been a contributing factor in the eventual failure of the siege.
Thanks Martin! When it comes to Tolkien, numbers typically have a certain significance behind them so I thought it's worth pointing out the connection! :)
Big fan of your videos and lore, please keep it up!
Cheers Jake, glad to have you with us mate!
Good video man I love lore videos. GJ
now this is a lotr lore video. love it. nice work sir.
Cheers Zach! :)
As always a great vid, I love back story stuff, fictional or real life.
Loved this video Geek!!! Honestly the Palantir are some of my most favorite Artifacts in Middle Earth and I love how they represent and symbolize Communication and why it is very important and thanks so much for explaining their very awesome and deep history within the Legendarium!!!!! Anyway loved this video and can't wait for the next one (and hopefully it won't be another 3 or so weeks till another one lol)!!! :)
Thanks Luke! I should be back to at least a weekly video, hopefully more! :)
GeekZone You're welcome anytime!!! :)
I'm gonna say it, because I find it annoying after seeing this practically same comment in every single video of Geek. PLEASE Luke try to come up with something different. Every single character or creature or artifact or anything that is the subject of these videos is "honestly some of your most favorite" something in Middle-earth or Legendarium. Always the same sentence structure with the same message. And you use too much !!!!!! after every sentence. Sorry, I dunno why it gets to me. Some offence.
TinyBuddha Yeah I can understand why. It does get a bit repetitive at times. Sorry I have offended you that way, but that sentence is very true though. I am gonna start to say something different from now on. And since you are a Buddha, I find that to be some very wise advice. :) (though it didn't sound like it lol)
Luke Skywalker the 2nd well said
The Pallentiri are a certainly are one of the most interesting and simultaneously terrifying Elven masterpieces. To say the least I found it bizzar that these were not used to locate Sauron sooner.
I agree, I wish we knew more about their ability to look into the past, I really find that intriguing!
I could be I'm might be speculating way out the ball park but it may be possible time is potentially tangable much like Enstien theorisied and the incredible ability the palantiri has to see allows it glimpse in to this hypothetical "4th dimension" as Enstien calls it this may explain their ability to communicate as they maybe linked by this.
Samuel Kerby they were lost and they thought Sauron was dead. things that should not be forgotten were like maybe today we forget the Holocaust at times and how many people and nations hate the Jewish people for being Jewish period. anyway, few knew how to use it and have the will to use it correctly ie Saruman was corrupted by using it by the spirit of sauron lived on by the one ring which was also lost. so evil slowly grew back undetected because it was not finished earlier.
GeekZone good point sir. I would say many things were lost and forgotten that could have stopped so much bloodshed in the 3rd age and ending it earlier making the 3rd age more like the 1st or 4th age.
So they could look into the past and find out where the other ones were since they can't be destroyed but the user has to know how. I'm sure the only taught a select few how to anyway.
Hi @GeekZone , Im a guy that has recently subscribed and I have probably watched all ur videos in a week or so and I wanted to say that all of them are so well explain , though and delivered so they are very engaging i´d say so , keep up the good work ;)
And i wanted to tell you if you could do some of these topics because I haven´t really seen them in TH-cam :
-Easterlings
-Harad as a whole
-Noldors and their story
-Black numenorians
And some "What if" or "Could"
-What if Dalin´s expedition to Moria worked out
-What if Rohan never came to save Gondor
-What if Orcs would have won the Battle for Erebor
Thank you for the amazing videos
Hey Pedro, welcome to the fellowship buddy! I'll add them to my list, I'm sure I'll cover them in the future! =)
Thanks ;)
He did a what if, which included Gandalf missing the battle of Helms Deep- causing it to fall and Rohan to not aid Gondor later. Spoiler Alert: it didn’t end up good for Gondor!
Oh , I will research it , thanks ;)
Orcs winning Erebor what be a super cool and interesting theory!
Great vid man
Cheers Randyl! =)
Imagine all feanors song carrying the 7 stones and then Feanor just carrying the missive one in his hucksack like it’s a 1kg pebble
Great video 💯
Just wanted to say thanks love the video
Awesome Video friend!
Are you from Egypt? I love this channel it’s so interesting. Amazing how deep the Ethos goes.
He's from Malta.
Sweet ive been waiting for this vid
Good vid! Thank you!!
I would love to know more about the effect and purpose of runes in Middle Earth.
I also would love a video on the history and events of the East! Everything east of Mordor and the Iron Hills, from Rhûn and onward, I would love to know.
Great job
You great making these videos plus a cool accent makes your narrator unique
This the the best channel I’ve found
Thanks Brian!!
Great video as always
Cheers mate!
I love how he used the artwork from the mtg card mirari at 2:13
I know, it warmed my geek heart to see the old Mirari again
As a geek this is my favorit zone ❤
Can you make a video about the barrow wights? You have mentioned them before, I would love to know everything there is about them! Your videos are awesome by the way!
Great video
11:35 The Mirari was a palantiri ?! MTG and LOTR best mashup ever!
So good to have you back! - Your followship thanks you for this awesome vid! ;)
Cheers Peter, glad to be back, missed doing this! :)
Keep up the good work!!!
Thanks Pax!
Love your videos. There is a quote saying Denethor's or Saruman's palatir bends towards Mordor because they were Isildur's and Anarion's Palantirs, therefore they would always bent toward each other.
Cheers Matheus, that's actually quite interesting, any idea where it's from?
i had no idea about the physical orientation of a palantir and its influence. fascinating!
It makes me wonder whether their creators could have changed their orientation somehow!
perhaps the major spheres were aligned in such a way like primary colors, and the minors were in a mix of the zones
Mhm that's quite an interesting thought, I like it! If you haven't read it before, I'd highly recommend checking out the Palantiri chapter in the Unfinished Tales! :)
I love your work. Excellent. And you voice is charming.
Thanks for the great video! I had never thought of the palantiri being brought to Beleriand in the First Age. Interesting theory. I do wonder how they'd get back to Valinor, though, or for that matter where and how the sons of Feanor would have kept them. They probably would have kept them int heir homes, which would mean Morgoth's forces probably would have taken some or all of them as they overran most of Beleriand. Perhaps they were recovered after the War of Wrath and handed over to the surviving Noldorin leaders. But didn't most of them - Celebrimbor, Gil-galad, Galadriel, Elrond - remain in Middle-earth? So I'm thinking if they were in Middle-earth at the end of the First Age they probably would have stayed, which leads me to think they were probably back in Valinor the whole time until the were given to Amandil. Certainly the Noldor would have had to leave a lot of their treasures behind - in fact, there's no mention I'm aware of of their going back to Formenos, where Finwe and Feanor had been living during Feanor's exile, to pick up any belongings.
Another great video. I'm wondering if you know if in any of the extended tales if they have an extended elaboration of what is essentially middle earths equivalent of the book of revelation, in which Morgoth comes back and if finally defeated for good. I know it's briefly mentioned in one of the tales but wasn't sure if there were any elaborate or in depth stories regarding it.
It's quite ambiguous to be honest as we're not told much about it since it was merely a draf that Tolkien had written. I hope to cover it in a video in the next few months!
wasnt it said that Turin would be the one to finally slay Morgoth?
Love the seven sons theory!!!!
I smiled when the Mirari showed up :D
@GeekZone in the future... Anyone who would like to know something about Tolkien's world will inevitably be directed to your channel. This is Tolkien gold
Yesss! Welcome back!!
Thanks Melissa, hope you had a nice cup of tea to go with this video!
Of course I did! :D It would be a crime to watch your videos without one now!
You've gotta recommend me some good teas oneday, I've only recently started experimenting with different ones, gotta find my favourite!
I drink mostly the British brand: PG Tips :D
Ah, I was referring to the different flavours!
Always made me wonder why would they put a palantir in Minas Ithil? It's on the mountains of Mordor! I understand the whole bit about early warning and no one would expect to lose such a well armed fortress city but I'd think the palantir was too dangerous to fall into enemy hands. And the Osgiliath stone was supposed to be so big, why wouldn't they have dredged the river for it? It wouldn't be rolling away in the river as it was too heavy, and it was such a powerful artifact of magic why wouldn't they have put forth the effort to find it? Let's assume it would only roll down hill or into the muck. That means they could have created a massive effort to find a narrow part of the river and make a palantir-weir to hold it, then starting at the point of the building on the river, with massive barges and tree-sized spikes, rake the floor of the river downwards until they found it or came to the weir. Then they would have recovered the eavesdropping master stone.
Yay new video!
Long time coming!
Your voice fits so well with this video.
wow made almost the same thing in my 1990 d&d spelljammer campaign, almost the same thing but mine was just for communication between ships
I have played schaduw of war where they palantire also is there and I never new the history of it Thx and great video
You're welcome buddy!
Love Lotr read the books and know a lot from the tabletop Game. Maybe a video about the fights in the North where the dwarfs fight against the dragons? Keep it up, nice channel
Cheers Richi! I'll add it to my list! :)
I love your videos men!!!!!!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌
If possible, could you do a video about the Sea of Nurnen in Mordor? I understand that their may not be much info but I've always been curious about its background.
congrats of your job sir
Very cool! Would love it if a lord of the rings films were made focusing on the First & Second Age in Middle-Earth. though they were talked about in the books, a book can only do so much. a film would do them justice. But it's a shame that would probably never happen.
Perhaps the Amazon series will cover that time period!
they could.
Me two
Adria Taylor a film can only do so much as well. people don't like long lotr videos after the hobbit trashing. not us though. I agree. they should. I heard amazon prime might be doing a tv series. quality and doing it right is my only issue.
books do far more than movies. movies give you their view of the image. books let you create those images but yes we all enjoy movies too. I read the hobbit after I saw the first lotr fellowship movie as a kid. that started my lore journey. I doubt a movie can do tolkiens work justice much more or even as close to as the lore series already extended and even then their were many issues for fans.
This artefact is fascinating in the movies. The scene between Sauron and Aragorn was epic. Thanks for this video. But I have a question. How Sauron can show whatever he want to the user of the palantir ?
I do enjoy your movies GZ. Quite reasonably they are done (very nicely) from an "in-mythos" point of view. However there is another approach to Tolkienology, by some called Quellenkritik (source criticism). Thus: Tolkien himself recorded the origin of the Palantiri in the rhyme "What brought they from the foundered land/Over the flowing sea?/Seven stars and seven stones/And one white tree" (Two Towers Chapter 11), which he found running in his head one day. Now I've a theory these words call up the 1816 novel "The Antiquary" by Sir Walter Scott. The eponymous hero has some belongings stolen which he describes (misquoting Hudibras) as "My copperplate, with almanacks/Engraved upon’t and other knacks/My moon-dial, with Napier’s bones,/And several constellation Stones;/My flea, my morpeon, and punaise,/I purchased for my proper ease" (Chapter 3). There are various other LOTR references in the Scott novel :) -- a hillside refuge, a rope rescue, a prophecy in a dream. The Antiquary himself is Mr Jonathan Oldbuck, sharing the former surname of the Brandybucks.
I'm noticed a striking similarity in the properties of the Palantiri and the rings of power, which would make sense since elves were involved in the creation of both. They both dictate powers of visibility, tough the rings obviously take things a bit further with their capacity to control. Oh, and they both have a master. I see them both as analogs for surveillance (whether that was intentional or not).
New video idea and question I am very interested in. Where did the surviving orcs go after the destruction of the ring (movies) and after Saruman's defeat (books)
When I saw the image of Mirrari I freaked.
I was like wait... wait a minute that is Mirrari...
LOVE UR VID
Great video! Where do the quotes from Gandalf come from?
I have a kinda weird what if scenario. What if the ring was sent to Valanor and was accepted/destroyed by the Valar. With the context being on what happens to Sauron other that him not getting his full power back. Like what happens to the orcs, the way with the free peoples of Middle Earth, does he still win? That kinda thing
It's interesting for sure, I'll add it to my list, perhaps I'll make a video on it in the future! Thanks for the suggestion!
There was another palantir too. It was in Dul Guldor. I noticed it in Hobbit during the fight between the nine, Saruman, Sauran, Gladerial and Elrod.
It is interesting that the Mirror of Galadriel acted like a Palantiri. It could see distant things.It could look into the past and possible futures.
Well, we should take wise lessons, from Denethor, Saruman, Aragorn; as it is obvious how easily the hearts of men are corrupted, and as most of us who look through the Palantir, (which we now cary in our pockets) most often only see what we are shown, and what we are meant to indulge in, and be preoccupied with; only the strong ánd pure are willing and able (like Aragorn) to divert there gaze to what is actual, imminent and important
well said!
anyone noticed that there is a space shuttle at 13:00 in the lower right corner?
Numenor had some sick technology
What the hell is that part of the lore or what? Who built it and where did it come from?
@@Jordan-vr7ip I'm pretty sure its not part of the lore
@@josephkoester3217 frodo and Sam weren't actually saved by eagles, that was just what made sense to their minds as Gandalf flew in on the space shuttle and saved them from mount doom exploding. Tolkien talks about this in his later books.
U are awesome keep um coming☺
damn dude, you are amazing! luv the videos too!!
Cheers Hector!
13:04 There is a space shuttle in the bottom right hand corner.
that is a good eye awarness
Noice
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Thanks buddy, good to see you all again!
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I know an image from Oblivion when I see one! Is that from a mod? Also, great video dude. I'm loving your content!
Cheers mate! Which image are you referring to? :)
There's an image of a palantir in the center of the Elder Council chamber from Oblivion.
Ahhh hadn't noticed!
He also used one of the Mirari from Magic the Gathering. That's the one I immediately recognized, myself.
I think he used a sigil stone as a comparison. It has a very similar appearance