Great video!!! I believe a lot of people were waiting for you to do this video even though everyone that already had the RM knew the answer before watching. Yes RM has already added the speaker upgrade to the new batches being made so it’s pretty much flawless now. As I mentioned before the wheel is a moving part and putting to much stress on it either by accident or just having gorilla strength will snap the small end opposite of the micro switch ive seen it done on spectrum radio’s. That being said no it’s not a deal breaker but my preference is metal over plastic every time. Keep up the good work you’re doing everyone really appreciates your honest reviews and you’re opinions matter to us even if sometimes I like to give you a hard time by disagreeing lol. You have brought us newbies to opentx a tremendous amount knowledge. And to everyone reading this let’s do what we can to support John and his channel so that he can continue to enlighten us go click them links!!!
Thanks for the comment and show of support Freddie. Appreciate it. I posted a picture of the jog wheel in the community tab. If someone breaks that thing, they're using it wrong. In any event it takes about 3 minutes to get it out, so a replacement would be quite easy. th-cam.com/channels/cJwn8V3MTsib2LjAcTnarg.htmlcommunity
RC Video Reviews I agree it should only brake when you push the wrong side but I have another radio that has the switch on the opposite end of the wheel so for someone using different radios they may get mixed up.
Jim Snodgrass I agree that the wheel is not precise at times when I go to click something it will select something other then my intention. You just have to be careful not to turn the wheel when pressing down. On the RM you should be pressing the wheel on the bottom end that’s where the micro switch is located. on the other end (top) the wheel has a small shaft that fits into a rotating sensor that picks up the side to side action of the wheel it’s this end that I’m referencing with being plastic that with to much force can break the shaft.
@@FASTFREDDIE-R.C. Except it's not plastic. The end that goes into the pot on the T18 is metal. The end against the micro switch is plastic, but it's like 4mm in diameter, so if someone breaks that, they're definitely monkeyfisting their radio: th-cam.com/users/postUgzSErf2_hTq87Aq7Dx4AaABCQ
RC Video Reviews ahh ok so it must have a metal shaft going though the plastic wheel. Well I didn’t realize that and in that case then I totally agree with you in that it wouldn’t matter except for the feel. I was going on the fact that I thought the whole wheel was plastic which I’ve seen on other radios that caused breakage. Maybe I missed it in your videos but I don’t recall you ever bringing that up before in which case I would of never brought up the issue with breaking. Sorry that I didn’t get that part I stand corrected.
Those open ports on the Radiomaster board are for additional switches, pots or 6 position switches. I added an addition switch and a 6 position switch to mine.
I have only watched 2 of your YT videos so far, but I"m sold on your verbal presentation which is well ennunciated, good volume, & pleasant to listen to. Your video quality is excellent with good color saturation and excellent layout for maximum clarity. The logic of your presentation is very clear, intuitive, and helpful. You are a class act that others would be wise to follow. Respectfully, Jim Yes, of course I'm a subscriber.
Excellent review on the differences between the two radios.If you didn't see pics of my case mod,It is just the original case with a certain amount cut off the top and bottom of the foam case and mounted inside a zip up case which keeps it tightly closed and you can place radio in lid to work on the back of the radio.Thanks for the review.Rob.
I bought the radiomaster tx16s after owning the jumpert16 pro and it started playing up, as in some switches stopped working. I know it’s probably going to be the ribbon cables, but after trying to get the new ones from jumper, and them saying it would take a while to arrive and that I should get in touch with the company that I bought it from, I just think their service is crap. Before you say that it’s because I didn’t go through all their hoops I can tell you that I did, including sending a photo of the serial number. I’m more than happy with my choice of radiomaster, haven’t had a problem with it, apart from learning everything that it is capable of, haven’t even updated it, no need as yet, and I won’t even do it straight away when the upgraded version to enable the touchscreen, at least not until it’s been out for a few weeks at least, just to make sure that there aren’t any issues. I love the radiomaster tx16s, and the only modification that I’m going to do to the case is drill some holes near the top to run some cords through so that I can have a looping system to hold it by the cord, rather than 3D printing some sort of adaptation, yes it is thick, and a bit of a tight fit, but I believe it offers more protection than the nice looking case of the jumper. I also have a crossfire unit on mine, which makes it a pain to fit in the case, but I just take the aerial off to fit inside, plenty of room to fit that and a strap as well.
Service matters. So you vote with your wallet when a company doesn't support their product.... Send me a pic after you complete your protective case mod. J
I just ordered the Jumper T18 5in1 version because they are deeply discounted to $110. Regarding the plastic tension arm on the gimbal. I would assume with the plastic tension arm, the cross axis 'thump' is dampened with plastic vs metal on the right stick ( mode2) . Having a dampened cross axis feel is subjective. I have several RC radios ( Frsky, Spektrum) . I set my spring tension to around 100g at full throw so that all my radios have the same tension. The cross axis thump is different among the radios set at the same tension. They all have plastic tension arms.
You can adjust it to turn off as soon as you hit the one button and it won't let you turn off if a receiver is active without confirming shut off. (Tx16s)
Good Video .The speaker in the TX16S is a 8 ohm, it needs a 4 ohm , the little IC on the board leads to the speaker out put 4 ohm. The speaker mod is to parallel the 2 speakers to make 4 ohm. Measure the ohms on the Jumper T16 and see what the ohms are.
@@RCVideoReviews OH! OK Thanks for the reply. , I did not know. But my RadioMaster TX16S still has the same problem. I have a 4 ohm 2 watt mini speaker on order , going try it , I already did the mod with a 8 ohm from a computer speaker, it is 30% louder.
Just an FYI, newer Radiomasters come with larger speaker mounted in the back cover, making it louder and requiring you to unplug 2 cables to remove the back. THX
I have a Futaba T8FG Super and T14SG and a DX9 Black. And will stay with them. I have been using Futaba radios for more then 25 years and they never failed! I have some very old radios from Futaba and they still work but there the old radios and now a days every thing is 2.4 so I use that now.
Good review. As far as the speaker in the Radiomaster, they are now shipping with the add on speaker mounted in the back of the case and in parallel with the front speaker. The shoulder pots also feel acceptably tight. I haven't had any luck binding with a Lemon rx with a satellite attached, but binds OK without the satellite, which I thought was odd, but maybe the 4in1 can't handle both receivers UID at the same time. So it appears Radiomaster are taking the criticisms to heart and correcting them.
Appreciate the details. Thanks for sharing. Let me know what you find out about binding that Lemon with a satellite. It is good news they are reacting to feedback. Good sign indeed.
Would you recommend the TX16s as a first radio? The reason I ask is that I'm quickly outgrowing my HZ Sport Cub S2 with its RTF transmitter and the next plane I'm interested in, specifically the UMS Turbo Timber, comes only in BNF. I find the price for the Sektrum transmitters way to pricey. Thanks for a great review.
Bill K , definitely you should get the radiomaster, although there is a lot to learn in programming it, there’s also a lot of videos as well that can help you set it up. Plus the availability of using just about any bind and fly plane, or quad opted for that matter, makes it a great choice. Plus the price is definitely great for its capabilities.
I'll second what David Reynolds said: The RM is a very good radio. If you have patience to learn how to program these OTX radios you will be amazed how functional they are, but it takes patience and practice. Like David said there are a lot of videos out there to help. And make sure you take a look at OpenTx Companion - You can download that and get a feel for how to program the radio.
I prefer the T18. Hands down the better looking radio. Plus it feels good in my hands. And it looks cool at night. Gets lots of comments out at the club field. Zero range problems or glitches using the internal amplified PCB 2.4ghz antenna and dsmx protocol. I also added BobAZ's 21700 5000mah kit w/charge jack to mine. No problem closing battery door. In fact easier than T16. Luv my T18!
It's definitely a good radio. When I did this shootout, the results were a LOT closer than I expected. Did you see the video on adding an internal charging circuit? th-cam.com/video/MPhVbXd4d5I/w-d-xo.html
@@RCVideoReviews No, as I merely moved BobAZ's 21700 pack from my T16 to the T18. Installed charge jack. Done 5 minutes. I do not care for the look of the RM at all. Which looks relatively crude and dated with it's matte black faceplate, chrome buttons and orange chicken feet button lights.
@@52griz Well there you go. Problem solved. I keep trying to downplay the charging jack issue as little more than a minor annoyance. I was surprised how much I actually like the carbon fiber look. I normally don't go in for that kind of thing.
Also the T16 has the solid metal handle. But everyone wanted a folding one so that's why it was first offered as a T16 option then standard on the T18 so no points taken away from the T18 or added to the RM for that. The video needs to be revised to reflect that.
Good review of those two radios... 16:45.. I have found that on those cheap Chinese mini quad transmitters that I can effectively add Expo just by increasing the stick height. This makes a taller stick less sensitive to actual aircraft control. In your example either stick is fine because you can add expo in the programming software and the stick heights are adjustable on most radios.. 18:15.. I look at it like you looked at the gimbal tensioners .. Metal is better than plastic in the long run... and you did give 2 point for the Metal Tensioners....;-)
Very thorough and helpful information on two very similar radios.I can get the jumper for around £100 and the rasiomaster for £158 I don't fly anymore but need 16 channel for my rc hydro excavator.
Thanks for the note. Good luck with your choice. They're both very good radios. One thing I would point out now that things have changed a little is the Radiomaster has touchscreen and EdgeTX now supports touch. Some people with Jumpers have had buyer's remorse that they would have to retrofit their screens to take advantage of touch. If that's not a concern for you--then you really can't go wrong with either one.
Man, if I knew the first thing about RC Helo setups I would be willing to help, but I know NOTHING. Freddie on our Discord server could probably help you though: discord.gg/jSFTASU
Google on TH-cam. There is a British fellow that gives step by step instructions. I fly helis only and of course flybarless. The open TX works wonderful for flybarless. I can assign a trim button to adjust my tail axis gryro value while setting up a new model in flight. It can read out the value while I adjust up or down .
Makes you wonder if FrSky is regretting abusing their market power to bully vendors and go proprietary. A lot of people seem to be abandoning their once-great battleship.
Ya didnt happen to sell it in New Zealand did you, ad I not long ago brought a horus x12s second hand. Lol Sort of thinking I should have spent the extra and got a TX16 loving these videos
I'm getting into the hobby and looking for a first radio. I'm almost sold on the TX16. I've put a good solid year into Real Flight and have used RC cars for 20+ years.. I'd like to get into Heli's and scratch building and maybe some FPV in a few years. Would this be a good first radio? I really want to avoid having to upgrade in a few years. The technical stuff doesn't scare me.
This is the second of your videos that I've watched, also the second I've thumbs upped, so now I'm subscribed with notifications :-) Thanks for the informative video content, it's helping me a lot with my purchasing decisions.
Finally! There is a comparison. Now I better subscribe :) I ordered a Radiomaster TX16s. The plus points for me is the handle bar. Were we can customize and put a stand. Plus they have a Radiomaster Keychain and the internal charging. The say that the internal charging works excellent and have a balance charging in it. How many mah should I buy for the 18650 batteries? And how many hours in charging the tx with 18650? Thanks RC Video reviews! Thumbs up! :)
awesome comparison. Just wanted to point out you sounded a bit heated about the jog wheel plastic vs medal. You liked metal gimble parts and the handle over plastic ones. In the case of a much used jog wheel a important moving part. metal would also be better. having a plastic jog wheel is about the same as having plastic gimble sticks or switch arms. Two things you would never want plastic. Just something to think about. Nothing to do with the feel of the wheel just it's service life as a moving part.
There's no functional or reliability concern with the plastic jog dial. The tensioners hold a spring that is under constant pressure and leverage throughout the life of the radio. All of the buttons on the entire radio are plastic. The jog dial is just another button. I don't believe with normal use it will ever be a problem. I'll grant that it moves--but it's not a load bearing part. The T18 jog dial has a metal shaft that spins the pot. The other end is a thick 4mm barrel that pushes the button.
On watching that segment of the video after your comment, I should have explained myself more clearly in the video: The jog dial--while plastic--is not a load bearing element therefore does not does not deserve the same metal->plastic consideration I gave the handle or the tensioners.
I think the Radiomaster has slightly better internals. They spent more time thinking about things like cables and cable management. The Jumper has a cooler color tone and the TX16s has a warmer color tone, but I haven't noticed a difference in brightness.
Nice job, I do have some advice, whenever you evaluate things like this you need to weight items with a multiplication factor from high to low, ie if you have 10 items the most important thing gets a 10 and the least important thing gets a 1, of course that is subjective and will be different for different people but it is the best and proper way to do these sort of evaluation, other than that you did a great job. Thanks for sharing.
The problem with weighting is that everybody and I do mean *everybody* has a different priority list. For some it's range, others battery, others weight/colors/stick height/grip height/screen temperature/brightness/volume/charge jacks/battery size/etc... The very second I start weighting assessments, I'll get a fistful of complaints that my priorities aren't correct and that "battery is far more important than weight" or "volume is more important than screen brightness" This approach puts all deltas on a level playing field and the viewer--whom I've learned to trust--can make weight judgements based on the observed deltas. I appreciate your point of view and comment though. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to engage. J
Great Review! Is it me or the DISPLAY quality is much better on the t18 esp. viewing angle? It looks like the t18 is a proper IPS panel and the tx16s is a TN panel. The new tx16s MAX also seems to have an IPS panel...
The viewing angle did that. I noticed the T18 looked cooler, the TX16s looked warmer. The TX16s also has the touch panel which I believe is another layer that may have taken the sharpness down just a touch. Unless these are side-by-side you'd never known it. I'm not aware of any changes to the IPS panel on any of the editions.
That's a great video review. Thank you so much for being so detailed about it. I'm happy that I ordered TX16S before I saw this review, and after watching your video I'm even happier that I made the right choice. Sub'd!
A good review. I have a question which I cannot seem to find an answer for. When the Jumper t/x is in FlySky AFHDS 2A protocol using the FS iA6B r/x is the information from the flight battery and altitude sensors transmitted back to the Jumper t/x and displayed on the screen and voice command?
@@RCVideoReviews Many thanks. Watched the video. Really easy. Now all I have to do is locate a Jumper T18 lite or a Radio Master TX16 Mode 1 t/x to purchase. Mode 1 seems to be about as scarce as hens teeth!!!
@@robertmillhouse6388 It's very easy to change from Mode 1 to Mode 2. You pull a gimbal out and pin the return spring. Reverse the process on the other gimbal. Or, you can just swap the gimbals.
Gah Lee I'm soooo freakin stuck on which one to pick 😫, im a Spektrum guy started off with the Dx6i and then upgraded to the Dx8 G2 (current) I mainly fly Jets and dabbled into the micro FPV drone world a little bit with the BNF Micro whoop, I know that's not much but it's a start for me but for some reason now that passion of flying Quads and being able to chase and get footage of the guys I fly with their jets have increased tremendously 😫,..... I keep seeing videos of EVERYONE talking about how they would take the Radiomaster over the Jumper... But I really like how it comes with a nice case and the look of it, I like that too I seen one of your comments saying guys that fly planes with the Jumper is no problem which you've answered my main question because let's face it this is an expensive ass hobby and I don't have time to be losing no keys due to signal loss smh lol but I don't fly that far anyway so help me because I'm stuck I know this comment was really long it's just Radiomaster or Jumper 😭😭
I think the RM edges out the Jumper but you'll be in good shape either way. RM just released their bling kits too which lets you customize the appearance of your radio--bonus. Operationally speaking--both use OpenTx so you'll be in good shape there.
Can I just add, The reason many people moaned about the plastic jog wheel on the T16 and T18 is because apparently the plastic pin it rotates on breaks if you press to hard on the wrong end of the jog wheel. The metal on has a metal pin, so it can't really break, or at least you'd have a hard job breaking it!
@@RCVideoReviews Right, I see. From what I'd read, I though it was plastic. How the hell can people break it then?? Must be way too rough with it I guess.
@@Graham_Shaw This is why didn't give the metal wheel points in the video. I seriously believe if someone is pressing on that dial hard enough to actually break it, they are at risk of breaking a lot more on that radio including the switch below, the PCB, the plastic standoff it's all mounted on, etc...
@@Graham_Shaw Here's a pic if you didn't see it. The metal shaft on the left is pressed into the jog dial: th-cam.com/users/postUgzSErf2_hTq87Aq7Dx4AaABCQ
Another genuine, no nonsense review John, good stuff. As already mentioned RadioMaster appears to be refining the TX16S with updates since initial launch but is not making any notable announcements about them, the larger rear case speaker being one of them. It's like their statement printed on the back of the radio product box, in that they strive to improve and support the product well after release. I think they are certainly doing that. As for Jumper the T18 Lite is a compelling radio and I think if they had onboard charging by default and released that version instead of the T16 I'd daresay a lot of people would have said RadioMaster what??? cause they had a fairly large fan base to begin with.
Yeah, I got this radio just over a month ago, and it appears there are already minor revisions in the supply chain. I think that's great they're doing out of cycle updates to address user concerns. Really is good.
good video , BTW I did not like the longer sticks , the radiomaster TX16s I have, has a set screw on top of sticks and you can tighten and lower sticks up to about 4mm
Yup, I''ve got mine spun all the way down. I saw a hack where a guy took a drill bit on the stock spacer and took out some material that brought the stick down. They also have a 3D printed part that spaces the entire gimbal down some.
Hi! I have a question about the TX16s. Im buying my first radio and I'm confused about charging. (I have zero experience, except for flying with a playstation controler on drl racing simulator) Where I'm buying the radio they say it comes with an 18650 battery tray, but in the video you had something completely diffrent (the 5000mah one). So do I need the 18650 batteries or should I be getting something else? I think I just have no clue how charging and batteries work in the rc world 😅
I think the largest 18650 batteries I've seen are 3500mah. That's what I use in the Jumper T18. The 18650 designation means: 18mm diameter, 65mm length, 0 = they are cylinders. If you want to use the tray on either radio, the tray is designed for 18650 cells. Since the cells are wired in series, two 3500mah 18650's is still only 3500mah. The Radiomaster has a bigger bay and can hold a larger battery--as shown in the video. So if you want a Radiomaster, they sell a Radiomaster 5000mah 2s pack which goes for about $19. You can get 2 18650's shipped for about $10. Bottom line: If you go with Radiomaster, I would buy (and did buy) the 5000mah pack they sell. If you go with the Jumper, 2x18650's are what you'll want unless you can find an aftermarket 2s design with more mah that fits. It's definitely possible if you use a shrink wrapped 2s pack vs using the tray.
The 18650 tray has a standard 3 pin balance lead. I'm using a quite small 700mah 2s battery made for a mini heli. Battery doesn't last long but its completely fine while I wait for 18650s in the mail.
@@WatsitTooyah What kind of time are you getting out of your 700? Are you radio only or are you powering anything external like a Crossfire? Good info btw...
@@RCVideoReviews Roughly 2-3 hours. Working amps is 400mA in the manual so that seems about right. Nothing external powered. I only fly helis. New to the hobby, so this is my first proper radio, I'm really loving it.
If the material of the gimbal of Jumper is using the Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene, I feel it is pretty ok. But i still prefer radiomaster than T18 as a TBS user.
I got the T18 Pro and after that the T16S came out... so from that point I have chosen. I am happy with the T18 and see no reason to buy the T16S now... but if the T16S was available when I got the T18, then maybe I might have chosen differently.
Great review. I need more channels on my DX9. Started looking for new TX, found this review and sold to RM. Only question I have about a ratcheted gimbal. Does RM's gimbal support a ratchet?
The throttle stick does ratchet but it's not very pronounced. I came from a ratchet gimbal on my taranis and this one is much software. The tensioner can be tightened but at full tight it wears down the plastic notches. So I just set mine to low tension and deal with it.
Anything you would say to someone weighing options NX10 vs RM tx16? Im about to have one of them and have always used spektrum. Drones being my main focus these days and setting up with crossfire which the NX10 supports at a much higher price
When it's a load bearing element it's better. Would you rather trust the weight of your radio to plastic or metal? What happens when you put a bigger battery on? What about an external full size module? The jog wheel bears no load so, no, it does not matter. It's not as simple as whether metal is better or not. What matters is how it's used.
Quick Question..... John, do you think the grips on the rear of the T 16/T18 would fit onto the TX16S? I think I'd prefer them over the bulky ones on the TX16S. I'm a pincher. EDIT:- Never mind!. I now see from the Aliexpress link you posted that the back plate has weird mouldings that the bulky grips are shaped around. That's unexpected!
@@RCVideoReviews disappointing, but not that big a deal for me. I should also note that somebody made some 5mm thick 3D printed spacers for me, to lower the TX16S gimbals into the case, like the T18 gimbals are. Much better that way I think. I'd post a link to the guy, but I'm in the UK so......
@@Graham_Shaw I just installed those today to try them out. Unfortunately, the grand lotus stick ends rubbed against the case when the sticks were deflected full in and full down cutting off the corner for all four channels of control. So I put the stock sticks back on. I want to fly with it this way just to see what I think of it. The spacers most definitely push those sticks down--it's quite noticeable.
@@RCVideoReviews Yes, they do. Pity those big grand lotus stick ends are just too big to be used with the spacers. Do they have much clearance on the T18?
@@Graham_Shaw I only have the stock stick ends on the T18 right now, but the gimbals on that one don't need to be pushed down into the case. They seem about right where they are.
@@RCVideoReviews Replace it with a higher gain or directional for long range. Or just to replace a worn out antenna. My antenna on my TX16s keeps separating at the hinge, its just a matter of time before it will no longer snap back in place. I also like the Frsky 5db antenna, you get gain for nothing but a little longer antenna, and they are only a few $$
@@ByteOfSilicon I can understand some of that. I've had a fixed antenna on my Taranis for 6+ years without an issue so I have a hard time imaging how antenna get worn out. The gain thing is interesting if you need it. Are you flying distance?
@@RCVideoReviews I used to, I am just getting back into the hobby after being away for about 10 years. Sold all my heavily modified 9x radios running ER9x and purchased the TX16s, after reading the sad state of FrSky. I am really liking this radio, as well as your tutorials on Open TX. I will add a removable antenna just because, parts are on the workbench to modify it. I also purchased a TBS crossfire module, so if I do long range again will be using that. Have been playing with some quads also, so higher gain is more important on them with FVP with trees etc.
@@RCVideoReviews Sorry, did not see anyone mention it here. So far I have only been using it inside, setting up model and learning the functions of the radio (my first opentx radio). The audio is reduced to approx 25% volume and I hear it loud and clear. So I have yet to experience it in a noisy environment.
No no, it's been mentioned in any of the other 20+ videos/posts on the radio. You're the first in this video. Let me know how it sounds outside when you can.
@@RCVideoReviews No worries then :-) I'll try to remember. It may take a while as I'm waiting for some parts before there is a working model ready. On a side note, my gimbals can be adjusted all the way down to the base of the stick, no need to drill the top part as I have seen in a video. The set screw sits a bit proud of the top but for me it is a bonus - kind of rounds the top a bit and makes it more pleasant to operate with thumbs (initial thought..).
@@DE3US good info, if you have the ability would love some pictures about what parts have been revised and perhaps if they put a label revision that signifies these alterations.?
That's not the T18 lite, it's the T18, and the reason that I know that is because it has the 5 in 1 module, I seen it when you had the case open, the T18 lite has the 4 in 1 module
As far as the batter goes, aren't 18650's around 3500mAh on average? Meaning two would be 7000'ish mAh's. Meaning that even though a 5000mAh LiPo takes up more space, it doesn't actually provide more power.
They would be 7000'ish if you connected them in parallel. These aren't connected in parallel, they're connected in series. Each cell peaks at 4.2v. If you connected in parallel, you'd give 4.2v @ 7000mah. Since we're connecting in series, we're delivering 8.4v @ 3500mah.
I was under the impression that the 5in1 module had the 900MHz transmitter and that the antenna at the top was a 900MHz antenna and the 2.GHz antennas were pcb versions inside the case. Is that not accurate?
They can be used for anything. The intention is for flight modes either on flight controllers or OpenTx flight modes but they’re just like any other switch except for being 2 or 3 position, they’re 6 position. Both radios have them so they weren’t evaluated as there is no functional difference between them.
YT sure doesn't make it easy to find do they? th-cam.com/video/szvGtO6AYxQ/w-d-xo.html I added a section on the channel homepage for past livestreams, so that should make it easier.
Hey there, Love the reviews but I hope you could quickly help me regarding a previous video. I love my G32 from value hobby but having a hard time finding props that fit the 6M prop adapter ???? I ordered the 11X7 prop along with the G32 but had to drill the prop out a bit to make it fit....am I doing something wrong here......thanks so much for your time Sir
Thank you for the thorough review - and for validating my Radiomaster purchase! ;-) On the sticks I'm a pincher as a opposed to a thumber. As a result my third finger on each hand unintentionally pull side slider switches back. The sliders are so easy to move, and the center position detents are so hard to feel, that those slider switches are useless for me. Is the same true on the Jumper? Wish they were more like those on my old reliable X9D+.
The sliders are interchangeable in terms of feel which is why I left them out of the comparison. The Taranis sliders are definitely better. Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you found the video useful.
I actually tried printing two of those 3d slider switches and in both cases they required more pressure than I was willing to use to push onto the pot, so I tossed them. I may get the o-rings just so I can offer advice if asked. There are also some other pots out there people have tried.
Yes Jumper are the same if not worse. My RM I can actually feel the center, my Jumper I can't, neither are like all my Futaba radios which is a pain because I do prefer the RM over all of them. My RM is a late purchase and they now have the oring mode on the sliders so no need to 3D print mods and they are a little stiffer to slide.
set screw in the middle of t18 will let you raise them and I am sure your T18 is V2 they said after August they fixed alot of the bugs from V1 and I got TX 16 with crossfire module and three recivers for $240.00
@@RCVideoReviews ok thanks, maybe i have to wait 4 hours. Maybe the bat wasnt full after 3 hours, so after that the red feet finish....but strange, i can choose every chicken feet during charchinng
That was a T16 problem. The only ribbon cable in this radio is for the display just like on the TX16s. You can see the wired connections in my video showing how to install a BMS circuit in this radio: th-cam.com/video/MPhVbXd4d5I/w-d-xo.html
I think I my have asked the question incorrectly.....ugh...the prop wont fit the Prop Shaft Adapter that comes with the G32 motor....how do you know what diameter the Prop Shaft Adapter is ...there is no specs on it ? please help Sir
I usually measure the diameter if I need to know. That link I gave you is for a prop reamer. If the prop doesn't fit on the shaft, use a prop reamer to enlarge the hole so it does. Prop reamers have standard shaft sizes as steps on them.
The Jumper T18 Lite uses an external antenna. That's another reason I don't like the Stanard/Pro because they use that tiny PCB antenna. I don't care that it's inside because plastic is RF transparent (just like the black sheathing on all the dipoles you have) but the small PCB I question. I can't state with any facts whether or not range IS actually reduced or if any reduction is material to flying. What I do know is that both radios can fly planes at the field father than I can see them.
Futaba makes excellent radios from hardware perspective. But they lack flexibility of Open tx. I've own Futabas. Also owned spektrum. Once I learned Open TX I sold my Futabas and Spektrum.
great great review I have the RMT16S very happy with it but still watched the review .. QQ.. how did you get the RSSI on the screen of the open tx on the radio .. cheers
Thanks for watching. TELE BUTTON -> Page Left -> TOP BAR SETUP -> Pick a Box and Press Jog Dial -> Scroll to "Rud Value" Press Jog Dial -> For source, scroll to RSSI. I think RSSI has to be added in telemetry before it shows up.
FCC Part 15 makes that a slippery slope for manufacturers. Part 15 devices are not suppose to utilize easy accessible antennas. The intention is to keep people from modding their radios so they operate outside of the Part 15 specification. The manufacturers have to attest their device is Part 15 compliant. I know some radios do it, but it's a slippery slope.
Of course. The TX16s is my daily driver now and I use the Jumper T18 for a couple of planes for testing/eval purposes. They both have performed well so far.
I have not watched this video yet, but for me, having already done my research, it's a no brainer,.Radiomaster TX16S all the way for me! EDIT:- John, I agree, the speaker sucks!! I'm also looking for a good way to improve the audio output.
Freddie D swears by the Aliexpress upgrade. Unfortunately that thing takes a month to ship. I think I found the same speaker on Amazon. I'll install it and report back.
I don't know if they'll ever figure out audio on these radios which is sad given how strong the audio prompting can be. TBH over time I find myself limiting the audio prompts I get. Mostly it's rates and on certain planes timer information. When I used to fly long range it was different, I used to have audio prompts for everything. For park flying, I prefer limited interruptions from my radio.
@@RCVideoReviews What is the "Aliexpress upgrade" I've not heard about that, though I did see a video that featured a 8 ohm 40mm speaker, I can't remember the details, it wasnt that much better than stock (volume wise), Clarity wise... Yeah, that's a whole other can of worms!!
Thank you for a great comparison video of these two radios! I think that the gimbals and charging port on the TX16s is the best reason to buy it over the T18.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching. Yeah, the charging circuit was a big miss by Jumper. In the end it came out a lot closer than I thought it would though.
They're so close... SD card placement is a non issue... How often do you take the SD card out??? The folding handle is better, don't go whinging your radio around by the handle and it'll be fine... Oh yay metal... that is bolted to a plastic case... so yeah... Internal charging... yeah but plenty of cheap mods out there for that, still use Bob's battery on my T16 Pro Hall. Plus a dedicated DC jack and isolated charger is way better IMO so both radios missed here... This should not be something included on the circuit board and the aftermarket stuff charges faster anyway. Battery bays on both radios are big enough for batteries that will last all weekend. Again non issue. If anything the smaller bay is nice because you don't have to add foam or padding to keep the battery from flopping around. The neck strap attachment is fine on either radio, this *cough Futaba* radio is balanced neutrally, it doesn't need more than one attach point. Touchscreen... I'd rather use the buttons or Companion... screen this small plus out in the sunlight is gonna be meh... props to Radiomaster for including it, the Jumper apparently will have it as an add on. Didn't even mention R9 support in this review at all... have 0 idea why... that is a big deal for those who use it... o r you could go the other way and mention the PCB antenna on the T18 Hall and Pro is only 60% as much range as the Radiomaster... this is not an issue for the T18 Lite... Speaker is a huge deal outside... my T16 is super loud and I can't imagine a quiet speaker... this should be worth way more than 2 points... that is a HUGE deal for pilots. When I hit a switch I NEED to hear confirmation. This review should be the T18 Lite vs the Radiomaster as those are the 2 comparable radios. The T18 Hall and Pro add nothing except reduced 2.4ghz range and dodgy R9 support. The Lite gets you the nice external 2.4ghz antenna and add on the R9 or Crossfire since I don't know anyone who would choose R9 over Crossfire...
SD Card Placement - I have to call it out because if I don't, it's considered a miss by others. Some people actually do prefer to remove their SD card. Watch Lee. The folding handle is better if you want a folding handle. Totally subjective statement. Personally I don't like folding handles, I'd rather have solid metal. I did a video on adding internal charging: th-cam.com/video/MPhVbXd4d5I/w-d-xo.html I don't know why you say isolated charging is way better. What is the basis for that statement and what is "isolated" charging. Are you suggesting relying on an external balance/bms system?? That seems kind of silly. Faster isn't always better, and do you know what the charge rate of the internal BMS actually is? Personally, I would rather have my batteries charge at a slower rate if possible. Battery bay is not big enough on the T18 if you use external modules like Tracer, Crossfire, Dragonlink. More capacity is ALWAYS better in those cases. I've gone through the tiny 18650's too quickly flying long duration flights on the T18. The balance point changes with battery weight. I didn't mention R9 because R9 sucks. This isn't a review of the T18 or Pro, and I have no access to the PCB antenna. Not only that, I personally do not conduct antenna reviews because I believe one has to have the correct equipment and training to conduct an accurate assessment of range. The screen in direct sunlight works perfectly fine. I live in Florida too, so it's not like we don't have to deal with lots of sunlight here. The upgraded speaker on the TX16s is every bit as loud as the T18. Radiomaster fixed that issue. You may need to hear confirmation, but for me, most of the time I turn the volume of my radio off. This review is the T18 lite vs the Radiomaster. The Pro adds RDC90 gimbals--did a review of that as well.
@RC Video Reviews I think my issue is with practicing to fly on a game simulation (DCL) then to a tx18s. So my question is : Can the gimbal movement be smoother? And can I set my throttle gimbal at center like my Xbox?
You can't change anything about gimbal precision. There are no user selectable options on the radio. That said, there is no OTA protocol to limit gimbal resolution to say 10bit, but I don't know enough about how the gimbal ->adc->usb output mechanics work. What I can say is that I use my TX16s with sims regularly and have no issues with resolution. If you're asking to have your throttle self-center, that is a mechanical change inside the radio. You have to take the back cover off and look at the gimbal to figure out how they relieve spring tension to prevent centering. It's usually some sort of screw on the gimbal.
Sorry, don't know--I don't have an Xbox. If Xbox will recognize a usb joystick, it might work. You might also take a look at th-cam.com/video/wMFYXWvTgyE/w-d-xo.html This allows my radio to use wireless to connect to PC as joystick for sim. Very fancy. :)
Got no base to compare from as I dont have the jumper T18 or T16. The only other multiprotocol radio I got is my old Deviation Devo 7E (loved the small formfactor on that one) though got a shitload of other mandatory TXs with different RTF clearance sales from China imgur.com/a/ykHq04Z but when checking radioeffect between the Devo7E and the old multiprotocol there and the one in Radiomaster T16s I get a lot higher reading on T16s even though its same protocols in checking the effect on. Particularly the ones from this Frsky are peeking way higher than the others in Radiomaster T16s protocol portfolio, though don't have any receivers in that brand, was just curious to check it with an RF meter. But sofar like the T16s, and a tad under 120USD incl. shipping it seems fair priced, but did mess up my purchase-version with a mode1 but was very easy to change by just changing the two gimbals and 2x 4 screws. Will update the FW when touch is included' for now there doesn't seem to be any benefits to update from the release it arrived with. Thx for the compared video. I reckon the T16s use 4mm gimbal stick threads while T18s use 3mm that is more standard.
That's quite a collection of radios you've got there. I have no idea how you keep them all straight in terms of programming and which ones to bring to the field. Regarding firmware: No point in upgrading unless you get something out of it that matters to you.
@@RCVideoReviews gladly not much upgrading needed on these RTF units.. most of them are for these older more exotic models. like i6 for 2x 4s tilt rotors, and the one from. XK is for these 3D upsides down quads X350 that changes motor direction midair and also 1x CP500 class collective pitch quad / clone imgur.com/gallery/MVoqY5j - though still got a way to go, hence :P = th-cam.com/video/0vWC-NWgkJI/w-d-xo.html roger that, hence TX16s and no noticeable upgrades, atm.
@@RCVideoReviews iw alredy seen it and like why didn't jumper did the same ? It would make the price 5-10$ higher for a feature that is sooo good . Anyway I did buy radiomastertx16s last week so ye
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more or less its the same radio hardware wise... so its more or less down to what you like. the biggest thing for me is that they released both radio´s without touch screen functioning, dont care if OpenTX has not released the touch screen drivers, if they sell a radio with a touch screen they need to make it work, both brands. period.... OpenTX 2.4 is still faaaaar faaaar away... for me tho, with small hands the jumper works best being thinner and lower endpoint on the sticks for my smaller hands. was the same with the Jumper T16. and RadioMaster just sounds cheep due to their older crappy radios, i have a issue with that to but a RadioMaster...
The touch screen situation is unfortunate, but that's just not the way this system works. If you get into OpenTx, you need to learn to resign yourself to the development cycle of OpenTx which is determined by the developers, not the hardware manufacturers. That would be akin to saying HP laptops need to have working iris scanning even though the current revisions of Linux don't support it. Simply not the way the opensource system works.
@@RCVideoReviews I work with IT, you never release a product like this.... I know about Dev situations in opensource, I don't blame openTX I blame both radiomaster and Jumper
@@NiclasHorn You never release a product like what? You do understand the operating system is opensource and controlled by developers that don't work for Radiomaster? You do understand that there are literally THOUSANDS of devices that run opensource firmware subject to the development cycle of the opensource developers? If you feel this way about it, sell your radio and go spend hundreds more on the next best alternative. Have fun with that.
I thought about that and left it out because technically they can both be accessed for r/w via the top port. So functionally for 99% of use cases they are equivalent.
RC Video Reviews , I have fatter fingers and find that radiomaster is better placed, pain in the arse position in the jumper. Radiomaster hands down with their position.
Hmm: Teflon is the registered trade name of the highly useful plastic material polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE). PTFE is one of a class of plastics known as fluoropolymers. It's plastic. I don't know what schools say teflon is better than steel, but if I went to one, I'd ask for my money back.
No, not working hard enough!🤣😂lol. Very big "just kidding". This is a great comparison video, probably watch it again, along with others. I can't find the speaker mod video, and I'm a sub, please give me a link. AirHammer out!!
I didn't do a speaker mod video, I made a community post but deleted it after I used the speaker outside because I didn't like the way it sounded. Too much bass. I have other speakers on the way. I will find a good one. When I do I'll post it. FYI Others are reporting their radios are coming with the rear mount speaker now. I must have just missed the cutoff.
@@RCVideoReviews I probably own the J T18. I do like fact that the 16s has built in charging, the use of metal under the hood and a installed touch screen. Loud audible call-outs are preferred, but can be fixed.
Man I hate you. I've been debating between these and I've been strongly leaning towards radio master but then you just HAD to equate them to apple! Damn you. Hahah
You won't be disappointed with Radiomaster. I've heard a handful of infant mortality issues with switches, but they jump on support right away. There's nothing wrong with the T18 either. It's a cool radio with a strong feature set.
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Great video!!! I believe a lot of people were waiting for you to do this video even though everyone that already had the RM knew the answer before watching. Yes RM has already added the speaker upgrade to the new batches being made so it’s pretty much flawless now. As I mentioned before the wheel is a moving part and putting to much stress on it either by accident or just having gorilla strength will snap the small end opposite of the micro switch ive seen it done on spectrum radio’s. That being said no it’s not a deal breaker but my preference is metal over plastic every time.
Keep up the good work you’re doing everyone really appreciates your honest reviews and you’re opinions matter to us even if sometimes I like to give you a hard time by disagreeing lol. You have brought us newbies to opentx a tremendous amount knowledge.
And to everyone reading this let’s do what we can to support John and his channel so that he can continue to enlighten us go click them links!!!
Thanks for the comment and show of support Freddie. Appreciate it.
I posted a picture of the jog wheel in the community tab. If someone breaks that thing, they're using it wrong. In any event it takes about 3 minutes to get it out, so a replacement would be quite easy.
th-cam.com/channels/cJwn8V3MTsib2LjAcTnarg.htmlcommunity
RC Video Reviews I agree it should only brake when you push the wrong side but I have another radio that has the switch on the opposite end of the wheel so for someone using different radios they may get mixed up.
Jim Snodgrass I agree that the wheel is not precise at times when I go to click something it will select something other then my intention. You just have to be careful not to turn the wheel when pressing down.
On the RM you should be pressing the wheel on the bottom end that’s where the micro switch is located.
on the other end (top) the wheel has a small shaft that fits into a rotating sensor that picks up the side to side action of the wheel it’s this end that I’m referencing with being plastic that with to much force can break the shaft.
@@FASTFREDDIE-R.C. Except it's not plastic. The end that goes into the pot on the T18 is metal. The end against the micro switch is plastic, but it's like 4mm in diameter, so if someone breaks that, they're definitely monkeyfisting their radio:
th-cam.com/users/postUgzSErf2_hTq87Aq7Dx4AaABCQ
RC Video Reviews ahh ok so it must have a metal shaft going though the plastic wheel. Well I didn’t realize that and in that case then I totally agree with you in that it wouldn’t matter except for the feel.
I was going on the fact that I thought the whole wheel was plastic which I’ve seen on other radios that caused breakage.
Maybe I missed it in your videos but I don’t recall you ever bringing that up before in which case I would of never brought up the issue with breaking. Sorry that I didn’t get that part I stand corrected.
Those open ports on the Radiomaster board are for additional switches, pots or 6 position switches. I added an addition switch and a 6 position switch to mine.
I figured it would be something like that but wasn't sure while filming. Thanks for sharing.
I have only watched 2 of your YT videos so far, but I"m sold on your verbal presentation which is well ennunciated, good volume, & pleasant to listen to. Your video quality is excellent with good color saturation and excellent layout for maximum clarity. The logic of your presentation is very clear, intuitive, and helpful. You are a class act that others would be wise to follow. Respectfully, Jim Yes, of course I'm a subscriber.
Wow...just...thanks.
I was about to say the same thing, but you have summed his presentation style up very well. Couldn't agree more.
Excellent review on the differences between the two radios.If you didn't see pics of my case mod,It is just the original case with a certain amount cut off the top and bottom of the foam case and mounted inside a zip up case which keeps it tightly closed and you can place radio in lid to work on the back of the radio.Thanks for the review.Rob.
Thanks for sharing the info on your case mod. Neat idea.
Great Review! Got my Radiomaster on order, can't wait to get it set up.!
Good choice!
I bought the radiomaster tx16s after owning the jumpert16 pro and it started playing up, as in some switches stopped working. I know it’s probably going to be the ribbon cables, but after trying to get the new ones from jumper, and them saying it would take a while to arrive and that I should get in touch with the company that I bought it from, I just think their service is crap. Before you say that it’s because I didn’t go through all their hoops I can tell you that I did, including sending a photo of the serial number. I’m more than happy with my choice of radiomaster, haven’t had a problem with it, apart from learning everything that it is capable of, haven’t even updated it, no need as yet, and I won’t even do it straight away when the upgraded version to enable the touchscreen, at least not until it’s been out for a few weeks at least, just to make sure that there aren’t any issues. I love the radiomaster tx16s, and the only modification that I’m going to do to the case is drill some holes near the top to run some cords through so that I can have a looping system to hold it by the cord, rather than 3D printing some sort of adaptation, yes it is thick, and a bit of a tight fit, but I believe it offers more protection than the nice looking case of the jumper. I also have a crossfire unit on mine, which makes it a pain to fit in the case, but I just take the aerial off to fit inside, plenty of room to fit that and a strap as well.
Service matters. So you vote with your wallet when a company doesn't support their product....
Send me a pic after you complete your protective case mod.
J
RC Video Reviews will do, might not look pretty, lol, but I’ll make sure it’s useable .
I just ordered the Jumper T18 5in1 version because they are deeply discounted to $110. Regarding the plastic tension arm on the gimbal. I would assume with the plastic tension arm, the cross axis 'thump' is dampened with plastic vs metal on the right stick ( mode2) . Having a dampened cross axis feel is subjective. I have several RC radios ( Frsky, Spektrum) . I set my spring tension to around 100g at full throw so that all my radios have the same tension. The cross axis thump is different among the radios set at the same tension. They all have plastic tension arms.
You can adjust it to turn off as soon as you hit the one button and it won't let you turn off if a receiver is active without confirming shut off. (Tx16s)
Yes you can.
I'm sold!! Thanks for all your research and unbiased opinion.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Ray. I appreciate that comment. What radio did you decide to get?
@@RCVideoReviews TX 16s hands down. I agree with all your comments.
Good Video .The speaker in the TX16S is a 8 ohm, it needs a 4 ohm , the little IC on the board leads to the speaker out put 4 ohm. The speaker mod is to parallel the 2 speakers to make 4 ohm. Measure the ohms on the Jumper T16 and see what the ohms are.
They kind of solved this issue with later releases that now have a rear speaker in parallel. Appreciate the tip.
@@RCVideoReviews OH! OK Thanks for the reply. , I did not know. But my RadioMaster TX16S still has the same problem. I have a 4 ohm 2 watt mini speaker on order , going try it , I already did the mod with a 8 ohm from a computer speaker, it is 30% louder.
Been using a spektrum 5e..so the tx16s will be a huge upgrade for me. Hopefully I don't have any problems binding with my dsmx receiver in my quad.
You shouldn't have any issues. This is a really good radio.
Just an FYI, newer Radiomasters come with larger speaker mounted in the back cover, making it louder and requiring you to unplug 2 cables to remove the back. THX
Thanks. I've heard this a few times. My radio is only a little over a month old so this must be very new.
I have a Futaba T8FG Super and T14SG and a DX9 Black. And will stay with them. I have been using Futaba radios for more then 25 years and they never failed! I have some very old radios from Futaba and they still work but there the old radios and now a days every thing is 2.4 so I use that now.
Yeah 2.4 is the way to go these days for LOS flight.
Good review. As far as the speaker in the Radiomaster, they are now shipping with the add on speaker mounted in the back of the case and in parallel with the front speaker. The shoulder pots also feel acceptably tight. I haven't had any luck binding with a Lemon rx with a satellite attached, but binds OK without the satellite, which I thought was odd, but maybe the 4in1 can't handle both receivers UID at the same time.
So it appears Radiomaster are taking the criticisms to heart and correcting them.
Appreciate the details. Thanks for sharing. Let me know what you find out about binding that Lemon with a satellite.
It is good news they are reacting to feedback. Good sign indeed.
EXCELLENT video sir! I was already leaning towards the TX16s. Made up my mind for it!
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They're both very good radios. I'm sure the TX16s will serve you well.
Would you recommend the TX16s as a first radio? The reason I ask is that I'm quickly outgrowing my HZ Sport Cub S2 with its RTF transmitter and the next plane I'm interested in, specifically the UMS Turbo Timber, comes only in BNF. I find the price for the Sektrum transmitters way to pricey. Thanks for a great review.
Bill K , definitely you should get the radiomaster, although there is a lot to learn in programming it, there’s also a lot of videos as well that can help you set it up. Plus the availability of using just about any bind and fly plane, or quad opted for that matter, makes it a great choice. Plus the price is definitely great for its capabilities.
I'll second what David Reynolds said: The RM is a very good radio. If you have patience to learn how to program these OTX radios you will be amazed how functional they are, but it takes patience and practice. Like David said there are a lot of videos out there to help. And make sure you take a look at OpenTx Companion - You can download that and get a feel for how to program the radio.
I prefer the T18. Hands down the better looking radio. Plus it feels good in my hands. And it looks cool at night. Gets lots of comments out at the club field. Zero range problems or glitches using the internal amplified PCB 2.4ghz antenna and dsmx protocol. I also added BobAZ's 21700 5000mah kit w/charge jack to mine. No problem closing battery door. In fact easier than T16. Luv my T18!
It's definitely a good radio. When I did this shootout, the results were a LOT closer than I expected. Did you see the video on adding an internal charging circuit? th-cam.com/video/MPhVbXd4d5I/w-d-xo.html
@@RCVideoReviews No, as I merely moved BobAZ's 21700 pack from my T16 to the T18. Installed charge jack. Done 5 minutes.
I do not care for the look of the RM at all. Which looks relatively crude and dated with it's matte black faceplate, chrome buttons and orange chicken feet button lights.
@@52griz Well there you go. Problem solved. I keep trying to downplay the charging jack issue as little more than a minor annoyance.
I was surprised how much I actually like the carbon fiber look. I normally don't go in for that kind of thing.
Also the T16 has the solid metal handle. But everyone wanted a folding one so that's why it was first offered as a T16 option then standard on the T18 so no points taken away from the T18 or added to the RM for that. The video needs to be revised to reflect that.
Good review of those two radios...
16:45.. I have found that on those cheap Chinese mini quad transmitters that I can effectively add Expo just by increasing the stick height. This makes a taller stick less sensitive to actual aircraft control. In your example either stick is fine because you can add expo in the programming software and the stick heights are adjustable on most radios..
18:15.. I look at it like you looked at the gimbal tensioners .. Metal is better than plastic in the long run... and you did give 2 point for the Metal Tensioners....;-)
Clever trick using height for expo. Never even crossed my mind. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Very thorough and helpful information on two very similar radios.I can get the jumper for around £100 and the rasiomaster for £158 I don't fly anymore but need 16 channel for my rc hydro excavator.
Thanks for the note. Good luck with your choice. They're both very good radios. One thing I would point out now that things have changed a little is the Radiomaster has touchscreen and EdgeTX now supports touch. Some people with Jumpers have had buyer's remorse that they would have to retrofit their screens to take advantage of touch. If that's not a concern for you--then you really can't go wrong with either one.
A slow and easy guide for OpenTX-beginners to set up a flybarless heli on (Radiomaster TX16S) would be wildly appreciated. Thanks!
Man, if I knew the first thing about RC Helo setups I would be willing to help, but I know NOTHING. Freddie on our Discord server could probably help you though:
discord.gg/jSFTASU
Google on TH-cam. There is a British fellow that gives step by step instructions. I fly helis only and of course flybarless. The open TX works wonderful for flybarless. I can assign a trim button to adjust my tail axis gryro value while setting up a new model in flight. It can read out the value while I adjust up or down .
I sold my Horus after getting a Radiomaster, I’m stoked with just how good this radio is.
I'm with you. Cannot be beat for the money and I'd take over others regardless of the money.
Makes you wonder if FrSky is regretting abusing their market power to bully vendors and go proprietary. A lot of people seem to be abandoning their once-great battleship.
GREAT Question!
I'd like to know the answer to that one myself. I was 100% FrSky for a long time.
@@RCVideoReviews Me too!!!
Ya didnt happen to sell it in New Zealand did you, ad I not long ago brought a horus x12s second hand. Lol Sort of thinking I should have spent the extra and got a TX16 loving these videos
I'm getting into the hobby and looking for a first radio. I'm almost sold on the TX16. I've put a good solid year into Real Flight and have used RC cars for 20+ years.. I'd like to get into Heli's and scratch building and maybe some FPV in a few years. Would this be a good first radio? I really want to avoid having to upgrade in a few years. The technical stuff doesn't scare me.
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This is the second of your videos that I've watched, also the second I've thumbs upped, so now I'm subscribed with notifications :-) Thanks for the informative video content, it's helping me a lot with my purchasing decisions.
Welcome aboard!
Excellent work thank you, now i know what to buy !
Great to hear!
Finally! There is a comparison. Now I better subscribe :)
I ordered a Radiomaster TX16s. The plus points for me is the handle bar. Were we can customize and put a stand. Plus they have a Radiomaster Keychain and the internal charging. The say that the internal charging works excellent and have a balance charging in it.
How many mah should I buy for the 18650 batteries? And how many hours in charging the tx with 18650?
Thanks RC Video reviews! Thumbs up! :)
The internal charging system has been flawless for me so far. It stops at 8.4v every time.
Bruh the T18 has internal charging too
awesome comparison. Just wanted to point out you sounded a bit heated about the jog wheel plastic vs medal. You liked metal gimble parts and the handle over plastic ones. In the case of a much used jog wheel a important moving part. metal would also be better. having a plastic jog wheel is about the same as having plastic gimble sticks or switch arms. Two things you would never want plastic. Just something to think about. Nothing to do with the feel of the wheel just it's service life as a moving part.
There's no functional or reliability concern with the plastic jog dial. The tensioners hold a spring that is under constant pressure and leverage throughout the life of the radio.
All of the buttons on the entire radio are plastic. The jog dial is just another button. I don't believe with normal use it will ever be a problem.
I'll grant that it moves--but it's not a load bearing part. The T18 jog dial has a metal shaft that spins the pot. The other end is a thick 4mm barrel that pushes the button.
On watching that segment of the video after your comment, I should have explained myself more clearly in the video: The jog dial--while plastic--is not a load bearing element therefore does not does not deserve the same metal->plastic consideration I gave the handle or the tensioners.
Excellent video. How would you rate the overall build quality of the two? Are one of the screens brighter than the other?
I think the Radiomaster has slightly better internals. They spent more time thinking about things like cables and cable management. The Jumper has a cooler color tone and the TX16s has a warmer color tone, but I haven't noticed a difference in brightness.
Nice job, I do have some advice, whenever you evaluate things like this you need to weight items with a multiplication factor from high to low, ie if you have 10 items the most important thing gets a 10 and the least important thing gets a 1, of course that is subjective and will be different for different people but it is the best and proper way to do these sort of evaluation, other than that you did a great job. Thanks for sharing.
The problem with weighting is that everybody and I do mean *everybody* has a different priority list. For some it's range, others battery, others weight/colors/stick height/grip height/screen temperature/brightness/volume/charge jacks/battery size/etc... The very second I start weighting assessments, I'll get a fistful of complaints that my priorities aren't correct and that "battery is far more important than weight" or "volume is more important than screen brightness"
This approach puts all deltas on a level playing field and the viewer--whom I've learned to trust--can make weight judgements based on the observed deltas.
I appreciate your point of view and comment though. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to engage.
J
Great Review! Is it me or the DISPLAY quality is much better on the t18 esp. viewing angle? It looks like the t18 is a proper IPS panel and the tx16s is a TN panel. The new tx16s MAX also seems to have an IPS panel...
The viewing angle did that. I noticed the T18 looked cooler, the TX16s looked warmer. The TX16s also has the touch panel which I believe is another layer that may have taken the sharpness down just a touch. Unless these are side-by-side you'd never known it.
I'm not aware of any changes to the IPS panel on any of the editions.
That's a great video review. Thank you so much for being so detailed about it. I'm happy that I ordered TX16S before I saw this review, and after watching your video I'm even happier that I made the right choice. Sub'd!
Appreciate the comment. Both radios are very good. Nothing wrong with the T18, but I do like my TX16s. Enjoy your new radio.
A good review. I have a question which I cannot seem to find an answer for. When the Jumper t/x is in FlySky AFHDS 2A protocol using the FS iA6B r/x is the information from the flight battery and altitude sensors transmitted back to the Jumper t/x and displayed on the screen and voice command?
Watch this video: th-cam.com/video/zKN2w-_zkH8/w-d-xo.html
At 2:22 in that video, I show the telemetry options you get for FlySky ia-6b on OpenTx.
@@RCVideoReviews Many thanks. Watched the video. Really easy. Now all I have to do is locate a Jumper T18 lite or a Radio Master TX16 Mode 1 t/x to purchase. Mode 1 seems to be about as scarce as hens teeth!!!
@@robertmillhouse6388 It's very easy to change from Mode 1 to Mode 2. You pull a gimbal out and pin the return spring. Reverse the process on the other gimbal. Or, you can just swap the gimbals.
Gah Lee I'm soooo freakin stuck on which one to pick 😫, im a Spektrum guy started off with the Dx6i and then upgraded to the Dx8 G2 (current) I mainly fly Jets and dabbled into the micro FPV drone world a little bit with the BNF Micro whoop, I know that's not much but it's a start for me but for some reason now that passion of flying Quads and being able to chase and get footage of the guys I fly with their jets have increased tremendously 😫,..... I keep seeing videos of EVERYONE talking about how they would take the Radiomaster over the Jumper... But I really like how it comes with a nice case and the look of it, I like that too I seen one of your comments saying guys that fly planes with the Jumper is no problem which you've answered my main question because let's face it this is an expensive ass hobby and I don't have time to be losing no keys due to signal loss smh lol but I don't fly that far anyway so help me because I'm stuck I know this comment was really long it's just Radiomaster or Jumper 😭😭
I think the RM edges out the Jumper but you'll be in good shape either way. RM just released their bling kits too which lets you customize the appearance of your radio--bonus.
Operationally speaking--both use OpenTx so you'll be in good shape there.
@@RCVideoReviews thank you for the fast response I appreciate that 🙌🏽
@@kingrc6865 Don't sweat it too much. Let me know where you land.
That's a terrific help - thank you. I'll take the Jumper.
Good radio. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Can I just add, The reason many people moaned about the plastic jog wheel on the T16 and T18 is because apparently the plastic pin it rotates on breaks if you press to hard on the wrong end of the jog wheel. The metal on has a metal pin, so it can't really break, or at least you'd have a hard job breaking it!
The Jumper has a metal pin up top and a ~4mm roller on the bottom. You'd have to be a gorilla with this jog dial to break it I think.
@@RCVideoReviews Right, I see. From what I'd read, I though it was plastic. How the hell can people break it then?? Must be way too rough with it I guess.
@@Graham_Shaw This is why didn't give the metal wheel points in the video. I seriously believe if someone is pressing on that dial hard enough to actually break it, they are at risk of breaking a lot more on that radio including the switch below, the PCB, the plastic standoff it's all mounted on, etc...
@@Graham_Shaw Here's a pic if you didn't see it. The metal shaft on the left is pressed into the jog dial: th-cam.com/users/postUgzSErf2_hTq87Aq7Dx4AaABCQ
Another genuine, no nonsense review John, good stuff. As already mentioned RadioMaster appears to be refining the TX16S with updates since initial launch but is not making any notable announcements about them, the larger rear case speaker being one of them. It's like their statement printed on the back of the radio product box, in that they strive to improve and support the product well after release. I think they are certainly doing that. As for Jumper the T18 Lite is a compelling radio and I think if they had onboard charging by default and released that version instead of the T16 I'd daresay a lot of people would have said RadioMaster what??? cause they had a fairly large fan base to begin with.
Yeah, I got this radio just over a month ago, and it appears there are already minor revisions in the supply chain. I think that's great they're doing out of cycle updates to address user concerns. Really is good.
good video , BTW I did not like the longer sticks , the radiomaster TX16s I have, has a set screw on top of sticks and you can tighten and lower sticks up to about 4mm
Yup, I''ve got mine spun all the way down. I saw a hack where a guy took a drill bit on the stock spacer and took out some material that brought the stick down. They also have a 3D printed part that spaces the entire gimbal down some.
@@RCVideoReviews made a big change for me , more like the Q7 now
Interesting. I don't have any adjustment screw on the sticks I have.
@@WatsitTooyah I head the first batch didnt have then , but mine are the top middle of stick
@@dronedaze I guess I'll have to get used to the height. Thanks.
Hi! I have a question about the TX16s. Im buying my first radio and I'm confused about charging. (I have zero experience, except for flying with a playstation controler on drl racing simulator)
Where I'm buying the radio they say it comes with an 18650 battery tray, but in the video you had something completely diffrent (the 5000mah one). So do I need the 18650 batteries or should I be getting something else?
I think I just have no clue how charging and batteries work in the rc world 😅
I think the largest 18650 batteries I've seen are 3500mah. That's what I use in the Jumper T18. The 18650 designation means: 18mm diameter, 65mm length, 0 = they are cylinders.
If you want to use the tray on either radio, the tray is designed for 18650 cells. Since the cells are wired in series, two 3500mah 18650's is still only 3500mah.
The Radiomaster has a bigger bay and can hold a larger battery--as shown in the video. So if you want a Radiomaster, they sell a Radiomaster 5000mah 2s pack which goes for about $19. You can get 2 18650's shipped for about $10.
Bottom line: If you go with Radiomaster, I would buy (and did buy) the 5000mah pack they sell.
If you go with the Jumper, 2x18650's are what you'll want unless you can find an aftermarket 2s design with more mah that fits. It's definitely possible if you use a shrink wrapped 2s pack vs using the tray.
The 18650 tray has a standard 3 pin balance lead. I'm using a quite small 700mah 2s battery made for a mini heli. Battery doesn't last long but its completely fine while I wait for 18650s in the mail.
@@WatsitTooyah What kind of time are you getting out of your 700? Are you radio only or are you powering anything external like a Crossfire?
Good info btw...
@@RCVideoReviews Roughly 2-3 hours. Working amps is 400mA in the manual so that seems about right. Nothing external powered. I only fly helis. New to the hobby, so this is my first proper radio, I'm really loving it.
Thanks for the info. You should be very happy with the 18650s then. You should get 8+ hours out of them. That’s a lot of flying.
If the material of the gimbal of Jumper is using the Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene, I feel it is pretty ok. But i still prefer radiomaster than T18 as a TBS user.
I think it'll be ok too.
I got the T18 Pro and after that the T16S came out... so from that point I have chosen. I am happy with the T18 and see no reason to buy the T16S now... but if the T16S was available when I got the T18, then maybe I might have chosen differently.
The T18 is a good radio. I would be thrilled to use it if that's what I had to use.
Great review. I need more channels on my DX9. Started looking for new TX, found this review and sold to RM. Only question I have about a ratcheted gimbal. Does RM's gimbal support a ratchet?
The throttle stick does ratchet but it's not very pronounced. I came from a ratchet gimbal on my taranis and this one is much software. The tensioner can be tightened but at full tight it wears down the plastic notches. So I just set mine to low tension and deal with it.
Anything you would say to someone weighing options NX10 vs RM tx16? Im about to have one of them and have always used spektrum. Drones being my main focus these days and setting up with crossfire which the NX10 supports at a much higher price
Great video, great attitude. Congrats!!!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you liked it.
You mentioned the handle is metal and the gimbals. But the jog wheel does not matter. Your point was metal is better. Now it is not?
When it's a load bearing element it's better. Would you rather trust the weight of your radio to plastic or metal? What happens when you put a bigger battery on? What about an external full size module? The jog wheel bears no load so, no, it does not matter. It's not as simple as whether metal is better or not. What matters is how it's used.
i use my old skill saw case to carry my bulky radiomaster case and my r9m long range transmiter. works slick
So you put your radio in the radio case and the radio case in the skill saw case? I'd like to see a picture of that :)
@@RCVideoReviews i can send an pic to your email if your really interested? whats your email?
@@shearfury147 john at rcvideoreviews ]dot[ com
Again, Love your channel....straight to the point
Thank you.
Quick Question..... John, do you think the grips on the rear of the T 16/T18 would fit onto the TX16S? I think I'd prefer them over the bulky ones on the TX16S. I'm a pincher. EDIT:- Never mind!. I now see from the Aliexpress link you posted that the back plate has weird mouldings that the bulky grips are shaped around. That's unexpected!
Right, they are definitely not interchangeable.
@@RCVideoReviews disappointing, but not that big a deal for me. I should also note that somebody made some 5mm thick 3D printed spacers for me, to lower the TX16S gimbals into the case, like the T18 gimbals are. Much better that way I think. I'd post a link to the guy, but I'm in the UK so......
@@Graham_Shaw I just installed those today to try them out. Unfortunately, the grand lotus stick ends rubbed against the case when the sticks were deflected full in and full down cutting off the corner for all four channels of control. So I put the stock sticks back on. I want to fly with it this way just to see what I think of it. The spacers most definitely push those sticks down--it's quite noticeable.
@@RCVideoReviews Yes, they do. Pity those big grand lotus stick ends are just too big to be used with the spacers. Do they have much clearance on the T18?
@@Graham_Shaw I only have the stock stick ends on the T18 right now, but the gimbals on that one don't need to be pushed down into the case. They seem about right where they are.
I purchased the TX16s, my only wish would be that the antenna was removable/replaceable with out having to mod the radio.
I hear that a lot. Why do you want the ability to remove the antenna?
@@RCVideoReviews Replace it with a higher gain or directional for long range. Or just to replace a worn out antenna. My antenna on my TX16s keeps separating at the hinge, its just a matter of time before it will no longer snap back in place. I also like the Frsky 5db antenna, you get gain for nothing but a little longer antenna, and they are only a few $$
@@ByteOfSilicon I can understand some of that. I've had a fixed antenna on my Taranis for 6+ years without an issue so I have a hard time imaging how antenna get worn out. The gain thing is interesting if you need it. Are you flying distance?
@@RCVideoReviews I used to, I am just getting back into the hobby after being away for about 10 years. Sold all my heavily modified 9x radios running ER9x and purchased the TX16s, after reading the sad state of FrSky. I am really liking this radio, as well as your tutorials on Open TX. I will add a removable antenna just because, parts are on the workbench to modify it. I also purchased a TBS crossfire module, so if I do long range again will be using that. Have been playing with some quads also, so higher gain is more important on them with FVP with trees etc.
Just received the Radiomaster. I noticed it has a speaker in the rear part as well as the front one. Seems like the unit has been updated/revised.
You're at least the 4th person to say this. It must be something they corrected. How does it sound? Is it loud enough?
@@RCVideoReviews Sorry, did not see anyone mention it here.
So far I have only been using it inside, setting up model and learning the functions of the radio (my first opentx radio). The audio is reduced to approx 25% volume and I hear it loud and clear. So I have yet to experience it in a noisy environment.
No no, it's been mentioned in any of the other 20+ videos/posts on the radio. You're the first in this video.
Let me know how it sounds outside when you can.
@@RCVideoReviews No worries then :-)
I'll try to remember. It may take a while as I'm waiting for some parts before there is a working model ready.
On a side note, my gimbals can be adjusted all the way down to the base of the stick, no need to drill the top part as I have seen in a video. The set screw sits a bit proud of the top but for me it is a bonus - kind of rounds the top a bit and makes it more pleasant to operate with thumbs (initial thought..).
@@DE3US good info, if you have the ability would love some pictures about what parts have been revised and perhaps if they put a label revision that signifies these alterations.?
That's not the T18 lite, it's the T18, and the reason that I know that is because it has the 5 in 1 module, I seen it when you had the case open, the T18 lite has the 4 in 1 module
It doesn't have a 2nd antenna which is on the T18 and T18 pro. It also doesn't have R9 in the MPM. This is the T18 Lite.
As far as the batter goes, aren't 18650's around 3500mAh on average? Meaning two would be 7000'ish mAh's. Meaning that even though a 5000mAh LiPo takes up more space, it doesn't actually provide more power.
They would be 7000'ish if you connected them in parallel. These aren't connected in parallel, they're connected in series. Each cell peaks at 4.2v. If you connected in parallel, you'd give 4.2v @ 7000mah. Since we're connecting in series, we're delivering 8.4v @ 3500mah.
I was under the impression that the 5in1 module had the 900MHz transmitter and that the antenna at the top was a 900MHz antenna and the 2.GHz antennas were pcb versions inside the case. Is that not accurate?
Totally accurate. This is the Lite version of the T18 and doesn't include 900Mhz support. This is 2.4Ghz only.
What about the 6 arrow buttons on the upper face of both tx's what can they be used for
They can be used for anything. The intention is for flight modes either on flight controllers or OpenTx flight modes but they’re just like any other switch except for being 2 or 3 position, they’re 6 position. Both radios have them so they weren’t evaluated as there is no functional difference between them.
Great vlog sir!
Thank you!
Umm, another question LOL!! John, will you be posting the live stream video you hosted earlier this evening? I had to go out, and missed most of it.
YT sure doesn't make it easy to find do they? th-cam.com/video/szvGtO6AYxQ/w-d-xo.html
I added a section on the channel homepage for past livestreams, so that should make it easier.
@@RCVideoReviews Thanks man!!👍
Great comparison
Thank you for watching and for the comment. :)
Hey there, Love the reviews but I hope you could quickly help me regarding a previous video. I love my G32 from value hobby but having a hard time finding props that fit the 6M prop adapter ????
I ordered the 11X7 prop along with the G32 but had to drill the prop out a bit to make it fit....am I doing something wrong here......thanks so much for your time Sir
Do you have one of these: amzn.to/35bbt9f
Is it 6mm?
Excellent review and comparison, Thank you.
Happy I’ve got tx16s.
Thank you. You made a good choice with that radio.
Thank you for the thorough review - and for validating my Radiomaster purchase! ;-)
On the sticks I'm a pincher as a opposed to a thumber. As a result my third finger on each hand unintentionally pull side slider switches back. The sliders are so easy to move, and the center position detents are so hard to feel, that those slider switches are useless for me. Is the same true on the Jumper? Wish they were more like those on my old reliable X9D+.
The sliders are interchangeable in terms of feel which is why I left them out of the comparison. The Taranis sliders are definitely better.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you found the video useful.
Just print a better one: www.thingiverse.com/thing:4462684
I actually tried printing two of those 3d slider switches and in both cases they required more pressure than I was willing to use to push onto the pot, so I tossed them. I may get the o-rings just so I can offer advice if asked. There are also some other pots out there people have tried.
Yes Jumper are the same if not worse. My RM I can actually feel the center, my Jumper I can't, neither are like all my Futaba radios which is a pain because I do prefer the RM over all of them. My RM is a late purchase and they now have the oring mode on the sliders so no need to 3D print mods and they are a little stiffer to slide.
@@Jamesn-js1zp I will try those o-rings if for no other reason than to be informed.
HI, is there v911s protocols inside Radiomaster TX16s, I konw it is the Jumper T18pro.
I don't know what v911s is.
@@RCVideoReviews good job, anyway v911s protocol is wltoys .
set screw in the middle of t18 will let you raise them and I am sure your T18 is V2 they said after August they fixed alot of the bugs from V1 and I got TX 16 with crossfire module and three recivers for $240.00
I don't have a set screw on mine. I can just spin the top half free from the bottom half. You're referring to the stick ends right?
@@RCVideoReviews lol my bad is the TX 16s mod to lower them
My TX16s came with set screws in the stock stick ends.
Great video.
Thanks!
Usb charging on the radioking, what led is shining and when is it fully charged? My left chicken feet is red on charging...dose it go off?
On my T16 and T18 the power led is lit while charging. On the T16 it's green. When it's finished charging the LED goes off.
@@RCVideoReviews ok thanks, maybe i have to wait 4 hours. Maybe the bat wasnt full after 3 hours, so after that the red feet finish....but strange, i can choose every chicken feet during charchinng
Did you check the voltage of the pack before you started charging and after the wait?
Yes. 7.75 v after 3 hours 8,1 v....i have also calibrate the transmitter
Great video bud
Never gave points for ribbon cables. Jumper's ribbon cables have always been a problem.
That was a T16 problem. The only ribbon cable in this radio is for the display just like on the TX16s. You can see the wired connections in my video showing how to install a BMS circuit in this radio: th-cam.com/video/MPhVbXd4d5I/w-d-xo.html
I think I my have asked the question incorrectly.....ugh...the prop wont fit the Prop Shaft Adapter that comes with the G32 motor....how do you know what diameter the Prop Shaft Adapter is ...there is no specs on it ? please help Sir
I usually measure the diameter if I need to know. That link I gave you is for a prop reamer. If the prop doesn't fit on the shaft, use a prop reamer to enlarge the hole so it does. Prop reamers have standard shaft sizes as steps on them.
@@RCVideoReviews prop reamers come in std. and metric.
FYI. Typically more so a concern with gas and nitro engines.
@@rayster57 He said he needed a mm size so the link I sent him was for a metric reamer. I use my prop reamer pretty regularly with larger motors.
Is a nice remote but I like my Ix 12, if I didn’t have an Ix 12 I would’ve bought one is a cheap remote
Do either of these have trainer functions for head tracking?
Not sure, I don't use head tracking. You'll have to google that one.
What about 2.4ghz range? I have heard the antenna on the jumper has poorer range.
The Jumper T18 Lite uses an external antenna. That's another reason I don't like the Stanard/Pro because they use that tiny PCB antenna. I don't care that it's inside because plastic is RF transparent (just like the black sheathing on all the dipoles you have) but the small PCB I question. I can't state with any facts whether or not range IS actually reduced or if any reduction is material to flying. What I do know is that both radios can fly planes at the field father than I can see them.
Are these legitimate alternatives to Futaba etc? I'm getting into fixed wing and I can't shake the 'you get what you pay for' mentality.
They're not perfect if that's your question, but I only fly TX16s right now with all my planes.
Futaba makes excellent radios from hardware perspective. But they lack flexibility of Open tx. I've own Futabas. Also owned spektrum. Once I learned Open TX I sold my Futabas and Spektrum.
@@zmanphx OpenTx is all I've ever really known.
great great review I have the RMT16S very happy with it but still watched the review .. QQ.. how did you get the RSSI on the screen of the open tx on the radio .. cheers
Thanks for watching. TELE BUTTON -> Page Left -> TOP BAR SETUP -> Pick a Box and Press Jog Dial -> Scroll to "Rud Value" Press Jog Dial -> For source, scroll to RSSI.
I think RSSI has to be added in telemetry before it shows up.
@@RCVideoReviews cheers man yeah worked immediately .. great help cheers
Great review, better analysis than JB
Thanks. Appreciate it.
I love the TX16s, I love the TX16s Max even more :). The only gripe I have is not being able to replace the antenna without a mod.
FCC Part 15 makes that a slippery slope for manufacturers. Part 15 devices are not suppose to utilize easy accessible antennas. The intention is to keep people from modding their radios so they operate outside of the Part 15 specification. The manufacturers have to attest their device is Part 15 compliant. I know some radios do it, but it's a slippery slope.
Is there a kit to change mode 2 to self centring on the radio master?
You don't need one. Both gimbals can be converted to remove spring tension from the throttle stick. It takes about 15 minutes.
Did you try to use these transmitters to fly ?
Of course. The TX16s is my daily driver now and I use the Jumper T18 for a couple of planes for testing/eval purposes. They both have performed well so far.
its very good comparison and is quite fair, but im not agree with casing, radiomaster is much better than T18
Casing?
I have not watched this video yet, but for me, having already done my research, it's a no brainer,.Radiomaster TX16S all the way for me! EDIT:- John, I agree, the speaker sucks!! I'm also looking for a good way to improve the audio output.
Freddie D swears by the Aliexpress upgrade. Unfortunately that thing takes a month to ship. I think I found the same speaker on Amazon. I'll install it and report back.
I don't know if they'll ever figure out audio on these radios which is sad given how strong the audio prompting can be. TBH over time I find myself limiting the audio prompts I get. Mostly it's rates and on certain planes timer information.
When I used to fly long range it was different, I used to have audio prompts for everything. For park flying, I prefer limited interruptions from my radio.
@@RCVideoReviews What is the "Aliexpress upgrade" I've not heard about that, though I did see a video that featured a 8 ohm 40mm speaker, I can't remember the details, it wasnt that much better than stock (volume wise), Clarity wise... Yeah, that's a whole other can of worms!!
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@@RCVideoReviews Thanks John👍
so the plastic gymbas are ok then?
Thank you for a great comparison video of these two radios! I think that the gimbals and charging port on the TX16s is the best reason to buy it over the T18.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
Yeah, the charging circuit was a big miss by Jumper. In the end it came out a lot closer than I thought it would though.
They're so close... SD card placement is a non issue... How often do you take the SD card out??? The folding handle is better, don't go whinging your radio around by the handle and it'll be fine... Oh yay metal... that is bolted to a plastic case... so yeah... Internal charging... yeah but plenty of cheap mods out there for that, still use Bob's battery on my T16 Pro Hall. Plus a dedicated DC jack and isolated charger is way better IMO so both radios missed here... This should not be something included on the circuit board and the aftermarket stuff charges faster anyway. Battery bays on both radios are big enough for batteries that will last all weekend. Again non issue. If anything the smaller bay is nice because you don't have to add foam or padding to keep the battery from flopping around. The neck strap attachment is fine on either radio, this *cough Futaba* radio is balanced neutrally, it doesn't need more than one attach point. Touchscreen... I'd rather use the buttons or Companion... screen this small plus out in the sunlight is gonna be meh... props to Radiomaster for including it, the Jumper apparently will have it as an add on. Didn't even mention R9 support in this review at all... have 0 idea why... that is a big deal for those who use it... o r you could go the other way and mention the PCB antenna on the T18 Hall and Pro is only 60% as much range as the Radiomaster... this is not an issue for the T18 Lite... Speaker is a huge deal outside... my T16 is super loud and I can't imagine a quiet speaker... this should be worth way more than 2 points... that is a HUGE deal for pilots. When I hit a switch I NEED to hear confirmation. This review should be the T18 Lite vs the Radiomaster as those are the 2 comparable radios. The T18 Hall and Pro add nothing except reduced 2.4ghz range and dodgy R9 support. The Lite gets you the nice external 2.4ghz antenna and add on the R9 or Crossfire since I don't know anyone who would choose R9 over Crossfire...
SD Card Placement - I have to call it out because if I don't, it's considered a miss by others. Some people actually do prefer to remove their SD card. Watch Lee.
The folding handle is better if you want a folding handle. Totally subjective statement. Personally I don't like folding handles, I'd rather have solid metal.
I did a video on adding internal charging: th-cam.com/video/MPhVbXd4d5I/w-d-xo.html
I don't know why you say isolated charging is way better. What is the basis for that statement and what is "isolated" charging. Are you suggesting relying on an external balance/bms system?? That seems kind of silly.
Faster isn't always better, and do you know what the charge rate of the internal BMS actually is? Personally, I would rather have my batteries charge at a slower rate if possible.
Battery bay is not big enough on the T18 if you use external modules like Tracer, Crossfire, Dragonlink. More capacity is ALWAYS better in those cases. I've gone through the tiny 18650's too quickly flying long duration flights on the T18.
The balance point changes with battery weight.
I didn't mention R9 because R9 sucks.
This isn't a review of the T18 or Pro, and I have no access to the PCB antenna. Not only that, I personally do not conduct antenna reviews because I believe one has to have the correct equipment and training to conduct an accurate assessment of range.
The screen in direct sunlight works perfectly fine. I live in Florida too, so it's not like we don't have to deal with lots of sunlight here.
The upgraded speaker on the TX16s is every bit as loud as the T18. Radiomaster fixed that issue.
You may need to hear confirmation, but for me, most of the time I turn the volume of my radio off.
This review is the T18 lite vs the Radiomaster.
The Pro adds RDC90 gimbals--did a review of that as well.
How can I get a smoother use of the gimble?
I don't understand your question.
@RC Video Reviews I think my issue is with practicing to fly on a game simulation (DCL) then to a tx18s. So my question is : Can the gimbal movement be smoother? And can I set my throttle gimbal at center like my Xbox?
You can't change anything about gimbal precision. There are no user selectable options on the radio. That said, there is no OTA protocol to limit gimbal resolution to say 10bit, but I don't know enough about how the gimbal ->adc->usb output mechanics work. What I can say is that I use my TX16s with sims regularly and have no issues with resolution.
If you're asking to have your throttle self-center, that is a mechanical change inside the radio. You have to take the back cover off and look at the gimbal to figure out how they relieve spring tension to prevent centering. It's usually some sort of screw on the gimbal.
@@RCVideoReviewsok. Thank you for your advice. How can I use my tx18s in a Sims? Can I use it on my Xbox
Sorry, don't know--I don't have an Xbox. If Xbox will recognize a usb joystick, it might work. You might also take a look at th-cam.com/video/wMFYXWvTgyE/w-d-xo.html
This allows my radio to use wireless to connect to PC as joystick for sim. Very fancy. :)
Got no base to compare from as I dont have the jumper T18 or T16.
The only other multiprotocol radio I got is my old Deviation Devo 7E (loved the small formfactor on that one) though got a shitload of other mandatory TXs with different RTF clearance sales from China imgur.com/a/ykHq04Z
but when checking radioeffect between the Devo7E and the old multiprotocol there and the one in Radiomaster T16s I get a lot higher reading on T16s even though its same protocols in checking the effect on.
Particularly the ones from this Frsky are peeking way higher than the others in Radiomaster T16s protocol portfolio, though don't have any receivers in that brand, was just curious to check it with an RF meter.
But sofar like the T16s, and a tad under 120USD incl. shipping it seems fair priced, but did mess up my purchase-version with a mode1 but was very easy to change by just changing the two gimbals and 2x 4 screws.
Will update the FW when touch is included' for now there doesn't seem to be any benefits to update from the release it arrived with.
Thx for the compared video.
I reckon the T16s use 4mm gimbal stick threads while T18s use 3mm that is more standard.
That's quite a collection of radios you've got there. I have no idea how you keep them all straight in terms of programming and which ones to bring to the field.
Regarding firmware: No point in upgrading unless you get something out of it that matters to you.
@@RCVideoReviews gladly not much upgrading needed on these RTF units.. most of them are for these older more exotic models. like i6 for 2x 4s tilt rotors, and the one from. XK is for these 3D upsides down quads X350 that changes motor direction midair
and also 1x CP500 class collective pitch quad / clone imgur.com/gallery/MVoqY5j
- though still got a way to go, hence :P = th-cam.com/video/0vWC-NWgkJI/w-d-xo.html
roger that, hence TX16s and no noticeable upgrades, atm.
Yep , the internal charging pretty much did it for me
I'll never understand that design decision. In any case, I had a little fun adding my own: th-cam.com/video/MPhVbXd4d5I/w-d-xo.html
@@RCVideoReviews iw alredy seen it and like why didn't jumper did the same ? It would make the price 5-10$ higher for a feature that is sooo good . Anyway I did buy radiomastertx16s last week so ye
@@RCVideoReviews thay have added a better speeker on the back to it btw , not sure if you knew or not
@@nistax2880 Yes, I've been informed. I confirmed with Radiomaster. They added the back speaker and lowered the sticks with different stick ends.
@@nistax2880 You'll be really happy with the TX16s. It's a good radio.
What do you think about the Siyi FT24?
Never heard of it.
It's kinda new
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www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3677877-SIYI-FT24-12CH-2-4GHz-15KM-Long-Range-Radio-System
It looks interesting. We'll have to see what happens when it starts getting out into the wild. I'd like to look at it more closely.
more or less its the same radio hardware wise... so its more or less down to what you like. the biggest thing for me is that they released both radio´s without touch screen functioning, dont care if OpenTX has not released the touch screen drivers, if they sell a radio with a touch screen they need to make it work, both brands. period.... OpenTX 2.4 is still faaaaar faaaar away...
for me tho, with small hands the jumper works best being thinner and lower endpoint on the sticks for my smaller hands. was the same with the Jumper T16.
and RadioMaster just sounds cheep due to their older crappy radios, i have a issue with that to but a RadioMaster...
The touch screen situation is unfortunate, but that's just not the way this system works. If you get into OpenTx, you need to learn to resign yourself to the development cycle of OpenTx which is determined by the developers, not the hardware manufacturers. That would be akin to saying HP laptops need to have working iris scanning even though the current revisions of Linux don't support it. Simply not the way the opensource system works.
@@RCVideoReviews I work with IT, you never release a product like this.... I know about Dev situations in opensource, I don't blame openTX I blame both radiomaster and Jumper
@@NiclasHorn You never release a product like what? You do understand the operating system is opensource and controlled by developers that don't work for Radiomaster? You do understand that there are literally THOUSANDS of devices that run opensource firmware subject to the development cycle of the opensource developers?
If you feel this way about it, sell your radio and go spend hundreds more on the next best alternative. Have fun with that.
Is it True that the Jumper T18 is Hard to Set Up. ???
I don't think so. You can setup a new model with a few clicks. I'd say it takes a few minutes to learn and a few years to master.
Access to SD card 👍
I thought about that and left it out because technically they can both be accessed for r/w via the top port. So functionally for 99% of use cases they are equivalent.
RC Video Reviews , I have fatter fingers and find that radiomaster is better placed, pain in the arse position in the jumper. Radiomaster hands down with their position.
well done !
Thank you.
it is Teflon not plastic in some schools Teflon is better than steel
Hmm: Teflon is the registered trade name of the highly useful plastic material polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE). PTFE is one of a class of plastics known as fluoropolymers.
It's plastic. I don't know what schools say teflon is better than steel, but if I went to one, I'd ask for my money back.
they now give the Tx16 a neck strap, key ring, usb,c , baterybox, screen saver 3hole neck strap ring, TX16 shits on jumper!
No, not working hard enough!🤣😂lol. Very big "just kidding". This is a great comparison video, probably watch it again, along with others. I can't find the speaker mod video, and I'm a sub, please give me a link. AirHammer out!!
I didn't do a speaker mod video, I made a community post but deleted it after I used the speaker outside because I didn't like the way it sounded. Too much bass.
I have other speakers on the way. I will find a good one. When I do I'll post it.
FYI Others are reporting their radios are coming with the rear mount speaker now. I must have just missed the cutoff.
@@RCVideoReviews I probably own the J T18. I do like fact that the 16s has built in charging, the use of metal under the hood and a installed touch screen. Loud audible call-outs are preferred, but can be fixed.
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Man I hate you. I've been debating between these and I've been strongly leaning towards radio master but then you just HAD to equate them to apple! Damn you. Hahah
You won't be disappointed with Radiomaster. I've heard a handful of infant mortality issues with switches, but they jump on support right away. There's nothing wrong with the T18 either. It's a cool radio with a strong feature set.
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