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I did actually know where the Ligurian Sea was off the top of my head; in Rome Total War, the first settlement you capture as the Julii is in the province of Liguria, so that particular bit of Italy is seared into my head forever more.
It's kind of scary how many times in my life I've been able to rattle off some super obscure bit of trivia, and when someone asks me how I know that, the answer is always the same; I learned it in a video game.
Yes. Same, for the same reason, but as for his follow up question about why the gits in Amsterdam cared about it, I couldn't tell you. Probably some trade related reason.... but I can't say, confidently.
I only knew where it was because it's part of the Genoa trade node in EU4 and it's one of the important trade nodes. There's a few other place-names I know only because they are strategically important in EU4 or Crusader Kings. I couldn't tell you much about their actual cultural or historical significance other than maybe who owned that bit of clay in 1444 or 1066. I still sometimes have momentary confusion looking at European maps and seeing Nice as part of France.
Really should try Sunless Sea. It has boats. It has creeping dread. It has layers of obfuscation and ancient plots. It has situational cannibalism. It has sea monsters. It has exploration. It has an island where poastmen consumed by an obsession to deliver the mail end up congregating, shuffling through unending tides of undeliverable parcels. It's also largely driven by text boxes and menus, but they are extraordinarily well written.
The game also has a mind numbing grinding, vertical learning curve, and rather vicious rng. Not to discredit writing, it's top notch and i enjoyed it greatly. But i doubt he'll have much patience for it.
Sunless Sea 2 could be incredible. I really hope they consider it at some point. I played SS a bit when it came out but got a bit burnt, then played it relatively recently and got to some surprisingly interesting late game mechanics which really hinted at something great that could have been.
@@bobemor Sunless Skies is basically Sunless Sea 2, except you pilot a flying train instead of a boat. I haven't played it, but I've heard it generally improves on Sunless Sea.
I love that the diverse characters are colored in, but all wearing white boots. This implies Yatz's character is always buttass naked and super pale, just wearing big white boots.
@@srbrant5391 and go across the Rocky mountains? Are you daft? It'd be for more reason to ask you deliver the groceries from New Orleans. If any commodity produced in South East Asia were to enter the US, it's going to be shipped through coastal California. Or how about the fact that Philippines was for the longest time under the administration of the Spanish Viceroy in Mexico. Or that the Dutch controlled the entirety of Indonesia, while the Netherlands is on the other fucking side of the globe.
You see, the trade from the Ligurian sea doesn't flow into Champagne because it's an end node. And that also means it never reaches the English Channel, where Antwerpen is located. So, for a country located in the English Channel (which is also an end node, flowing from Novgorod -> Lübeck, Caribbean -> Bordeaux -> Champagne and the American East Coast -> North Sea) to benefit from a different end node such as the Ligurian sea (principal port: Genoa) they would have to privateer, something that involves boats and cannons and sticky fingers.
My favorite age of sail game is Sid Meier's Pirates! (2004), and I feel like there hasn't really been anything that quite does ship combat like it did, having to finagle around getting the wind into your sails while chasing an opponent but also swinging around for a broadside once your cannons are reloaded and you're in range, and out of combat the agony of trying to get somewhere when the wind just isn't on your side. I'd recommend Yahtzee try it if he's ever up to doing something retro.
Sid Meier's Pirates This game Sid Meier's Pirates but with a quarter of the gameplay. I was expecting Yahtzee to say that the combat was compromised of quick time events, then we would hit bootleg bingo.
I'd really like to know Yahtzee's take on Sunless Sea. It just seems like it would tickle his fancy in all the right places, being distinctly British in its style of writing, and of course it's all about being a Captain on a boat so he will love it by default.
I'm not the only one to say it Yahtzee, Sunless sea is amazing. I've put hundreds of hours into it and savored every moment of it. Goes from incredibly human to lovecraftian in an instant. Has given me some of my most memorable successes, and closest escapes... as well as meaningful death of character. Which was my own, actually, when I died suffocating out at sea engulfed in terror, consumed by the madness of a gaping abyss. And then I proceeded to do tens of other runs. If that itch is still scratching, how about you try it?
Yahtzee: "One day as a child I found an ancestor's diary while rummaging around in granddad's attic." "He was a dockworker at Kingston Upon Hull who was pressganged into serving in the Royal Navy during the War of the Third Coalition during the Napolenic Wars." "He wrote that there was a lot of rum, buggery and the lash. Scurvy was apparently not uncommon. The filthy poop deck was literally intended for that purpose. Apparently pretty much the only thing to eat was rock hard insect infected slices of bread and the only thing to drink was doses of rum or non-alcoholic beer." "No one knew how to swim and if a ship went down there was no chance of rescue anyway". "That's why when he came back to Britain and was legally able to leave the Royal Navy he moved to Rugby Warwickshire inland in the middle of the country, so that he need never again be reminded of the sea". "I read nautical adventure novels to try to discover if there was anything interesting or joyful about life in the Royal Navy during that time at all." Of course this never happened but it's be fun if it did.
I feel like Yahtze is trying to bait us into looking up "soggy biscuit" and I absolutely refuse, it has too much of the ring of public school "character building" pranks about it.
@@NoConsequenc3 Honestly, is there anyone who ever played that? Or even knew people who did it? I knew the term, and we have something similar in Germany that was features often in 90s pubescent sex comedies. But I never knew anyone who really thought that circle jerking on a cookie is a great idea... (never even knew soneone who knew soneone...)
I bet this comment will make Yahtzee depressed and proud, to know that he's at this long enough to get fans young enough to not know what a Soggy Biscuit is from the top of their heads but also that he's still appealing to a younger generation.
@@axelprino he’s literally described Silent Hill 2 as his equivalent to religion. He’d go into withdrawal if he didn’t mention once a month. That game doesn’t count
I'm always impressed by how Yahtzee apparantly plays all his video games on a late 2005 era widescreen 1080i CRT TV given that he never changed the TV model he uses in these videos.
This feels a lot like another Age of Sail discovery game. Uncharted Waters Online. Which is also exactly why I know where the Ligurian sea is. Definitely the best part of those old Age of Sail games is that you learn delightful little factoids about ships and the ocean as you sit in a house in the middle of the desert.
Honestly the game has been described by a few others as Sid Meier's Uncharted Waters, it kinda grabs a bit of both, and just.. doesn't work with it too much. At least as far in as I am in the game, which isn't too far notably.
This has to be one of the best edits in a while, the exotic sandwiches as currency and sword-fighting ships really sent me. Great work as always, Yahtzee!
I've never understood why these games so often use Earth as the setting. It seems like the joy of discovery would be greatly enhanced if you didn't know what you'd find everywhere.
That's one reason why I loved Sunless Sea. It conveys the feeling of exploring strange, unfamiliar and unsettling places, and every time you die, those places switch locations, making you explore all over again.
the people that made this game seem genuinely enthusiastic about history, that's probably why they picked that setting. also very sid meiers pirates homage-y
As a french person, I never in my entire life heard anyone use "Ligurian sea" to refer to that small bit of the Mediterranean sea, and I have grand parents living right next to it!.
You could test the hypothesis further by giving Sunless Sea a spin, if that one flew under your radar at the time. It's hardly topical in *current year* and has been described as one of its' own desigers as "the slowest rpg ever... and also has permadeath" but it's still a gem no matter how rough.
As do I; the sailing was a lot of fun. Then again, I also liked the train travel in Spirit Tracks, so I might not be the best judge of what should be considered good overworld transportation in a video game.
You should try Sunless Sea/Sky and A House of Many Doors. Same kind of game, but with actual story content, better combat and a supernatural setting that allows for more exciting adventures
If yahtzee is going to test the whole "boat" theory, I suggest sunless sea or its more polished sequel sunless skies, might be interesting to see his take on Victorian Era London sailing around eldritch monsters.
I have been sailing for quite a few years and my biggest gripe with games that feature sailing (apart from actual sailing simulators) is that they don't feature any sailing at all. Might as well be a car on the ocean, just point and accelerate.
Really glad the 'for nourishment' joke has returned, honestly one of my favourite yahtzee running gags. And did your dodgy grog have battery acid in it?
Yes well done and all that, let's see.. I have a note here I am supposed to read.. aw here it is *Welcome to the present, we understand you have had a very long and strenuous journey and would like to take the time to congratulate you on making it this far, keep in mind that this is not the end as there will be many, many more videos to come although they will be easier to digest now that you have reached..* bla bla bla.. let's see.. Here is your cookie for your time and effort, 🍪 you will not be getting anymore
It's Oregon Trail? Managing supplies, heading into the unknown without knowing how much you need, random land pitstop adventures that feel like a totally different game? Just instead of a trail it's an open world.
Actually, I did know where the Ligurian Sea is because I play too many map games and I know that area of Italy is called Liguria. You got me with the Gulf of Aden though, couldn't remember where that was without firing up EU4 again.
@4:14 Yahtzee: Now be honest with me viewers, who off the top of their head knows where the Ligurian Sea is? Some italian dude: *spaghettis in mar ligure*
Probably he’ll forget this game existed by the time he does the list. And as we learned with Anthem, that’s how you gain the edge in a mediocrity contest.
@@LemonGrinder I wonder about the poor translation bit. there was like two pages in the menu with some untranslated ui, but beyond that, I can say having read millions of translated english words, hundreds of works, this is easily the most competent translation of all of them.. like, some of the visual novel parts are legit good literary prose. did the review version he got have placeholder translation? Idk.
Chinese made games are honestly quite fascinating to me. I was skeptical of the whole thing, but in all honesty, Genshin of all things opened my mind. Going to be interesting seeing what else comes out of there this decade really.
If you like Rimworld or Dwarf Fortress, I suggest giving Amazing Cultivator Simulator a go. And, like the aforementioned examples, have the wiki open in another tab. More intuitive if you understand cultivation and feng shui.
@@AsterInDis If you ignore the fact that it's half-finished and the devs are never going back to put the rest of it in becsuse they started making a sequel a month after releasing it, Amazing Cultivator Simulator is actually pretty decent and it drew me in significantly more than Rimworld did.
@@AsterInDis ACS is fine until you realize the entire point of the game is learning how to more effectively grind so you can grind harder to do more grinding. I can't wait for the sequel since that seems to have more actual gameplay.
@@glittalogik What would a decimal exploration system look like? I'm no navigator, but I can't see how you could make an exploration system based off of a numerical base.
Garaba: “Take a cruise, you said. See the world, you said. Now, here we are, stuck on the front of this stupid ship.” Nasser: “Well it could be worse, we could be in the Audience!” Garaba & Nasser “Dohohoho!”
I didn’t know where the Ligurian Sea was. Thanks Yahtz. Now I know it’s in the other armpit of Italy, across from the Adriatic Sea. The Celebes (Sulawesi) Sea is between Indonesia and the Phillipines, but you knew that.
@4:20 Oddly enough, the Dutch were actually a dominant part of trade with northern Italy at certain times, even going so far as to create merchant colonies there. It's a bit of forgotten history though, because the Dutch ultimately couldn't compete with France, so the Mediterranean trade greatly diminished. Incidentally, a big part of that was France being able to protect its merchant ships better in the Mediterranean, so a bounty office in Antwerp trying to solve the problem by paying someone else to deal with pirates, which would ideally cost less than the cost of a permanent navy presence, isn't that far off.
Now that I think about it, Yahtzee kind of, sort of-ish enjoyed* Paper Mario: The Oragami King, and that had a boat section in it. Maybe the interwebs are onto something. 🤔
I've yearning for a title that could scratch my itch for a modern take on Uncharted Waters after its MMO put me to sleep, then I caught your stream on this game and immediately found out it was not it. Regardless, thanks for the hilarious review, Yatz, may the next nautical title be the one ⛵
Honestly, it scratches exactly that itch for me. the developers are still updating it to make it easier to play and more understandable. They have a demo. try it
He did give a pretty positive review on the sailing part of Assassins Creed IV. Also Bioshock is set in an under water city. I believe in the aquatic affinity theory for Yahtzee.
Hey Yahtz, so I recently was playing a geography quiz game, and because your video I was able to get a better score in one of the questions involving the Ligurian sea.
The gameplay loop of this sounds exactly like Sid Meyer's Pirates - right down to the hex-based land minigame. Are we certain this isn't just that game run through a couple translation bots?
It certainly says something that one of the best pirate games around is Sid Meier's Pirates. A game that looks and plays like a game from 2 decades ago and is heavily based on a game of the same name from a decade before that. And sure everything is super basic but what other pirate games have you ship fighting, boarding actions, duels, romancing the governors daughters and finding buried treasure while also getting bounties on other famous pirates. It just works for all it's simplicity
the fact that the script writer threw a fucking sea of tranquility line in here without explaining it like everyone is supposed to know thats actually a real name of a place on the moon just goes to show how genius they are lol. it feels like a little easter egg for smart/well read people because theres no way even 70% of the people viewing this video understood that line.
What a weird collision of coincidences. I recently started diving into Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin Series, as the fans of his work call it. It's usually not my genre of reading, but I've found myself oddly pleased by it. Oh joy. Twenty more books to go.
4:19 First of all, I did know where the Ligurian sea was, I'm an eu4 player, but more importantly: That's not Antwerpen. Antwerpen is a bit more east. You're pointing at Brugge probably? Maybe Gent?
I'm surprised Wind Waker did not come up in his commentary about him liking games with boats in them. That game (and the Paper Mario series before Nintendo made it bad) used to be his defence against commenters who said he just doesn't like Nintendo games.
I can sum up what I think I know of Yahtzee with his being the only person I know that possibly likes Cadbury Cream Eggs. That's like saying you like coffee made from tree bark. Though +1 for Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker for his predilection to nautical themed games, and maybe Subnautica?
I wonder what he will have to say about Pizza Tower, which is an indie 2D platformer game that came out late January and is as straightforward Warioland 4 action as you can get.
This game sounds almost identical to Sid Meyer's Pirates!, with less gameplay. I wonder why, in this golden age of games with boats and sprawling open worlds, no one has thought to remake it? Or make a sequel? Some added depth in mechanics and some new detail in the world and it's basically done.
1:54 I didn't realize they were boots... I don't know why, they look closer to boots than they do legs and feet, but it was still a jarring realization to see the diverse peoples of the globe all wearing white boots like a set of 1960s go-go dancers.
It’s a bit old now, but I really liked Nantucket. It’s a strange strategy card game set in the whaling world of Moby Dick, that features combat, exploration and management as you establish a whaling empire, by setting up ports on different continents and shit. I really liked it, even if it is kinda bare bones. Still, I recommend it, for whatever that’s worth.
i dunno man, the boat theory might be on to something. you gave wind waker a good review and resi 4 has that bit where you fight a mutant fish on a lake from a little speedboat with infinite harpoons
You should revisit Wind Waker and Assassin's Creed: Black Flag. This sailing theory needs more data and the thought of you talking about those two games in the same breath is hilarious to me for some reason. 🤣
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“Start game”
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Thank you for the translations!
The character for shiz looks awfully familar to me. Does anyone know the pinyin of that character?
@@myyoutubeaccount4167opping into google translate for this one, i know its unreliable but it apparantly looks like this 吃屎
Dont know if that helps
I did actually know where the Ligurian Sea was off the top of my head; in Rome Total War, the first settlement you capture as the Julii is in the province of Liguria, so that particular bit of Italy is seared into my head forever more.
It's kind of scary how many times in my life I've been able to rattle off some super obscure bit of trivia, and when someone asks me how I know that, the answer is always the same; I learned it in a video game.
Yes. Same, for the same reason, but as for his follow up question about why the gits in Amsterdam cared about it, I couldn't tell you. Probably some trade related reason.... but I can't say, confidently.
I only knew where it was because it's part of the Genoa trade node in EU4 and it's one of the important trade nodes. There's a few other place-names I know only because they are strategically important in EU4 or Crusader Kings. I couldn't tell you much about their actual cultural or historical significance other than maybe who owned that bit of clay in 1444 or 1066. I still sometimes have momentary confusion looking at European maps and seeing Nice as part of France.
Alright clever clogs, but why did the bounty office in Antwerp give a crap about it?
Pretty much the same reason why I know. Well, that and every other grand strategy game.
Really should try Sunless Sea. It has boats. It has creeping dread. It has layers of obfuscation and ancient plots. It has situational cannibalism. It has sea monsters. It has exploration. It has an island where poastmen consumed by an obsession to deliver the mail end up congregating, shuffling through unending tides of undeliverable parcels. It's also largely driven by text boxes and menus, but they are extraordinarily well written.
The game also has a mind numbing grinding, vertical learning curve, and rather vicious rng. Not to discredit writing, it's top notch and i enjoyed it greatly. But i doubt he'll have much patience for it.
By "situational cannibalism", is this just toenails again?
Sunless Sea 2 could be incredible. I really hope they consider it at some point. I played SS a bit when it came out but got a bit burnt, then played it relatively recently and got to some surprisingly interesting late game mechanics which really hinted at something great that could have been.
There is Sunless Skies, set in the future of Sunless Sea on space trains
@@bobemor Sunless Skies is basically Sunless Sea 2, except you pilot a flying train instead of a boat. I haven't played it, but I've heard it generally improves on Sunless Sea.
I love that the diverse characters are colored in, but all wearing white boots. This implies Yatz's character is always buttass naked and super pale, just wearing big white boots.
Celebes sea is the bit between Borneo, Sulawesi, and the Phillipines.
My guess is that the bounty office in San Francisco asked you for that one.
Speaking of which, I live in Minneapolis, so can you deliver my groceries from the Wal-Mart in Carson City?
@@srbrant5391 and go across the Rocky mountains? Are you daft? It'd be for more reason to ask you deliver the groceries from New Orleans. If any commodity produced in South East Asia were to enter the US, it's going to be shipped through coastal California. Or how about the fact that Philippines was for the longest time under the administration of the Spanish Viceroy in Mexico. Or that the Dutch controlled the entirety of Indonesia, while the Netherlands is on the other fucking side of the globe.
I got it right. My days of learning where all the seas in the world are, instead of kissing girls, have finally come good.
I would have thought Surabaya or Batavia
@Joel Sexton Okay, that was a five-star pun.
You see, the trade from the Ligurian sea doesn't flow into Champagne because it's an end node. And that also means it never reaches the English Channel, where Antwerpen is located. So, for a country located in the English Channel (which is also an end node, flowing from Novgorod -> Lübeck, Caribbean -> Bordeaux -> Champagne and the American East Coast -> North Sea) to benefit from a different end node such as the Ligurian sea (principal port: Genoa) they would have to privateer, something that involves boats and cannons and sticky fingers.
EU4 enjoyer spotted
@@willferrous8677 at least i have an idea how obtuse that quest is now
One day we'll get Yahtzee to review EU4....somehow.
EU4's totally static trade flow system is one of the game's biggest problems tbh
Still nowhere near as bad as how colonisation works now though
@@prrrromotiongiven1075 Hence why I refuse to pay for DLC. I'm not gonna spend 200 bones to recieve changes that should be in vanilla.
I really appreciate the clever visual wordplay of Yahtzee "shipping" ships at the end (and making them bang)
My favorite age of sail game is Sid Meier's Pirates! (2004), and I feel like there hasn't really been anything that quite does ship combat like it did, having to finagle around getting the wind into your sails while chasing an opponent but also swinging around for a broadside once your cannons are reloaded and you're in range, and out of combat the agony of trying to get somewhere when the wind just isn't on your side. I'd recommend Yahtzee try it if he's ever up to doing something retro.
Dark Souls ain't got shit compared to that game's dancing minigame.
I abused the hell out of the pause function
"Bwenentaal! Imbriglicated!" as the Governor of Jamaica would say.
That game had so much for 2004, and was such a different concept. The world just felt alive
I heartily recommend Sid Meier’s ‘Memoir!’ for genuinely fascinating insights into how that game (and others) got made
@@Airlord3670 I've never heard of it before, but that seems like the perfect name for Sid Meier's book.
Even assassin's creed got a good review when boats jumped in the mix
After the first time they tried to introduce boats into AC.
And Windwaker
Sid Meier's Pirates
This game Sid Meier's Pirates but with a quarter of the gameplay.
I was expecting Yahtzee to say that the combat was compromised of quick time events, then we would hit bootleg bingo.
Listening to this review, Sid Meier's Pirates is the only thing going through my head. Especially when he said the hexagon land expeditions.
And by god the QTE minigames are horrible. I regret replaying it just to spoil my good memories of it.
Or Uncharted Waters Online, except the land exploration is in 3d not hexagons.
@@Ozzianman CHU WAAAAONG?!
@@Ozzianman The swordfighting and dancing?
I'd really like to know Yahtzee's take on Sunless Sea. It just seems like it would tickle his fancy in all the right places, being distinctly British in its style of writing, and of course it's all about being a Captain on a boat so he will love it by default.
I'm not the only one to say it Yahtzee, Sunless sea is amazing. I've put hundreds of hours into it and savored every moment of it. Goes from incredibly human to lovecraftian in an instant. Has given me some of my most memorable successes, and closest escapes... as well as meaningful death of character. Which was my own, actually, when I died suffocating out at sea engulfed in terror, consumed by the madness of a gaping abyss.
And then I proceeded to do tens of other runs. If that itch is still scratching, how about you try it?
Yahtzee's English naval heritage is seemingly bursting at the seams to come open.
Yahtzee: "One day as a child I found an ancestor's diary while rummaging around in granddad's attic."
"He was a dockworker at Kingston Upon Hull who was pressganged into serving in the Royal Navy during the War of the Third Coalition during the Napolenic Wars."
"He wrote that there was a lot of rum, buggery and the lash. Scurvy was apparently not uncommon. The filthy poop deck was literally intended for that purpose. Apparently pretty much the only thing to eat was rock hard insect infected slices of bread and the only thing to drink was doses of rum or non-alcoholic beer."
"No one knew how to swim and if a ship went down there was no chance of rescue anyway".
"That's why when he came back to Britain and was legally able to leave the Royal Navy he moved to Rugby Warwickshire inland in the middle of the country, so that he need never again be reminded of the sea".
"I read nautical adventure novels to try to discover if there was anything interesting or joyful about life in the Royal Navy during that time at all."
Of course this never happened but it's be fun if it did.
there's two reasons why English are historically the best sailors, their women, and their food
@@stormtrooperelite1453 they just want to get away from it ASAP
1:14 I'm going to assume this was recorded before Hi-Fi Rush was announced.
I feel like Yahtze is trying to bait us into looking up "soggy biscuit" and I absolutely refuse, it has too much of the ring of public school "character building" pranks about it.
You and 4 boys stand around a biscuit. Last one to "finish" eats it. Sorry.
@@NoConsequenc3 and to be clear, everyone is finishing on the biscuit. Thus why it is soggy.
@@Darkflamecrusader And I thought waffle stomp was bad.
@@NoConsequenc3 Honestly, is there anyone who ever played that? Or even knew people who did it?
I knew the term, and we have something similar in Germany that was features often in 90s pubescent sex comedies. But I never knew anyone who really thought that circle jerking on a cookie is a great idea... (never even knew soneone who knew soneone...)
I bet this comment will make Yahtzee depressed and proud, to know that he's at this long enough to get fans young enough to not know what a Soggy Biscuit is from the top of their heads but also that he's still appealing to a younger generation.
I was waiting for Yatzhee to mention Assassin’s Creed 4 or maybe Windwaker in the list of good sailing games. I guess they are pretty old now
*Cough cough* Sea of Thieves *cough cough*
Sorry, I have a terrible case of sleep aids.
He mentioned Silent Hill 2 and that one is even older, my guess is he could only be bothered to mention so many examples.
@@axelprino he’s literally described Silent Hill 2 as his equivalent to religion. He’d go into withdrawal if he didn’t mention once a month. That game doesn’t count
...Says the man with the ass creed logo in his PFP
@@lavetissene339 okay?
I'm always impressed by how Yahtzee apparantly plays all his video games on a late 2005 era widescreen 1080i CRT TV given that he never changed the TV model he uses in these videos.
This feels a lot like another Age of Sail discovery game. Uncharted Waters Online. Which is also exactly why I know where the Ligurian sea is. Definitely the best part of those old Age of Sail games is that you learn delightful little factoids about ships and the ocean as you sit in a house in the middle of the desert.
Honestly the game has been described by a few others as Sid Meier's Uncharted Waters, it kinda grabs a bit of both, and just.. doesn't work with it too much. At least as far in as I am in the game, which isn't too far notably.
This is actually an Uncharted Waters fan game, like Taiwu is a Taiko Risshiden fan game.
0:31 don't forget, he's gone on record saying "Wind Waker [is his] favorite Zelda."
This has to be one of the best edits in a while, the exotic sandwiches as currency and sword-fighting ships really sent me. Great work as always, Yahtzee!
Did Yahtzee accidentally play Sid Meyers Pirates, get drunk, and forget the name?
I've never understood why these games so often use Earth as the setting. It seems like the joy of discovery would be greatly enhanced if you didn't know what you'd find everywhere.
That's one reason why I loved Sunless Sea. It conveys the feeling of exploring strange, unfamiliar and unsettling places, and every time you die, those places switch locations, making you explore all over again.
the people that made this game seem genuinely enthusiastic about history, that's probably why they picked that setting. also very sid meiers pirates homage-y
As a french person, I never in my entire life heard anyone use "Ligurian sea" to refer to that small bit of the Mediterranean sea, and I have grand parents living right next to it!.
If we're discussing secret interests of Yahtzee, what's up with his seemingly extensive knowledge of kink? Is that a thing we're just leaving behind?
Perhaps this was a thing with older ZP's so like before he got married but he was pretty open about watching a lot of porn
Im more alarmed by his constant mention of heroin
Or Disneyland
It's kink, heroin, and Disneyland combined that are the problem
Don't forget dolphins.
Today’s episode: Yahtzee debunks the theory that if a game has a boat, he’ll review it favorably
Sadly, already debunked by his reviews of Sid Meier's Pirates, Sea of Thieves, etc.
@@seraphonica Also, that one arty game about sailing around metaphors for depression.
@@robertgrosse4904 Huh?
@@notsaying7838 Unfortunately, I don't remember the name any more. I was hoping someone else would.
Yet Pirates and this are great games.
You could test the hypothesis further by giving Sunless Sea a spin, if that one flew under your radar at the time.
It's hardly topical in *current year* and has been described as one of its' own desigers as "the slowest rpg ever... and also has permadeath" but it's still a gem no matter how rough.
Worth noting that Yahtzee also likes the sailing in Wind Waker. (I do too.)
As do I; the sailing was a lot of fun. Then again, I also liked the train travel in Spirit Tracks, so I might not be the best judge of what should be considered good overworld transportation in a video game.
You should try Sunless Sea/Sky and A House of Many Doors. Same kind of game, but with actual story content, better combat and a supernatural setting that allows for more exciting adventures
Honestly I'm more surprised Yahtzee didn't know where the Ligurian Sea was offhand (not that I had any idea where it was).
If yahtzee is going to test the whole "boat" theory, I suggest sunless sea or its more polished sequel sunless skies, might be interesting to see his take on Victorian Era London sailing around eldritch monsters.
I once lived in a fig grove in Liguria, it was awesome! Figs as big as your fist, growing right onto the porch. Highly recommended!
I have been sailing for quite a few years and my biggest gripe with games that feature sailing (apart from actual sailing simulators) is that they don't feature any sailing at all. Might as well be a car on the ocean, just point and accelerate.
Really glad the 'for nourishment' joke has returned, honestly one of my favourite yahtzee running gags. And did your dodgy grog have battery acid in it?
Hey now, that battery acid has a purpose. The Admiralty says it helps stop scurvy. Probably. Maybe.
I think this is the first time we've gotten an animated outro gag
The budget for this one is unmistakable
@@crackedemerald4930 but how can he afford it with all the inflation? More African Sandwich Runs?
I've finally caught up on ZP. All ~780 episodes starting from The Darkness (2007). It took 6 weeks of binging and it was worth it.
Use Google like everyone else!
Holy shit, congrats!
do you dream of yellow backgrounds and stick figures?
Yes well done and all that, let's see.. I have a note here I am supposed to read.. aw here it is
*Welcome to the present, we understand you have had a very long and strenuous journey and would like to take the time to congratulate you on making it this far, keep in mind that this is not the end as there will be many, many more videos to come although they will be easier to digest now that you have reached..* bla bla bla.. let's see..
Here is your cookie for your time and effort, 🍪 you will not be getting anymore
It's Oregon Trail? Managing supplies, heading into the unknown without knowing how much you need, random land pitstop adventures that feel like a totally different game? Just instead of a trail it's an open world.
Best time of the week
Actually, I did know where the Ligurian Sea is because I play too many map games and I know that area of Italy is called Liguria. You got me with the Gulf of Aden though, couldn't remember where that was without firing up EU4 again.
Sounds vaguely like an OLD game I played back in the day called "High Seas Trader"
I've spent far too long on the Celebe Sea but am not about to go the "any port in a storm" route just yet. :D
@4:14
Yahtzee: Now be honest with me viewers, who off the top of their head knows where the Ligurian Sea is?
Some italian dude: *spaghettis in mar ligure*
Isn’t Wind Waker his favourite Zelda game? Strange to leave that out when listing the sailing games he likes.
I can definitely see this one somewhere on the bland list.
Probably he’ll forget this game existed by the time he does the list. And as we learned with Anthem, that’s how you gain the edge in a mediocrity contest.
@@ridergilwin1494 third place let's goooooo
I disagree, I think its traits are less blandness, and more confusion and poor translation.
@@LemonGrinder I wonder about the poor translation bit. there was like two pages in the menu with some untranslated ui, but beyond that, I can say having read millions of translated english words, hundreds of works, this is easily the most competent translation of all of them.. like, some of the visual novel parts are legit good literary prose. did the review version he got have placeholder translation? Idk.
I know *exactly* what the Celebes Sea is, Yahtz, don't you worry.
It's the channel with the Teletubbies and Chuggington on it.
Chinese made games are honestly quite fascinating to me. I was skeptical of the whole thing, but in all honesty, Genshin of all things opened my mind. Going to be interesting seeing what else comes out of there this decade really.
If you like Rimworld or Dwarf Fortress, I suggest giving Amazing Cultivator Simulator a go. And, like the aforementioned examples, have the wiki open in another tab. More intuitive if you understand cultivation and feng shui.
@@AsterInDis If you ignore the fact that it's half-finished and the devs are never going back to put the rest of it in becsuse they started making a sequel a month after releasing it, Amazing Cultivator Simulator is actually pretty decent and it drew me in significantly more than Rimworld did.
@@AsterInDis ACS is fine until you realize the entire point of the game is learning how to more effectively grind so you can grind harder to do more grinding.
I can't wait for the sequel since that seems to have more actual gameplay.
If you like turn based strategy there's a game called Legion War.
Tryl Eastern exorcist
Everyone's favorite Souls, Scholar of the Best Sin, has a boss fight on a boat.
Yahtzee still confuses hexadecimal with hexagonal I see
Noticed this, but now I'm wondering what a hexadecimal exploration system would look like...
@@glittalogik machine code probably
@@glittalogik What would a decimal exploration system look like? I'm no navigator, but I can't see how you could make an exploration system based off of a numerical base.
4:15
They probably had a shipment of tulips get stolen and wanted payback.
On the topic of boat/ship games,. Did Yahtzee ever review Sunless Sea or Sunless Skies?
At the risk of being called a clever clog: that's not where Antwerp is.
They acturally put out a DLC. Unfortunatly it's basically an ads of the publisher, bilibili. So they do let you go to the anime land already.
4:45 Hexadecimal or hexagonal?
Garaba: “Take a cruise, you said. See the world, you said. Now, here we are, stuck on the front of this stupid ship.”
Nasser: “Well it could be worse, we could be in the Audience!”
Garaba & Nasser “Dohohoho!”
I didn’t know where the Ligurian Sea was. Thanks Yahtz. Now I know it’s in the other armpit of Italy, across from the Adriatic Sea.
The Celebes (Sulawesi) Sea is between Indonesia and the Phillipines, but you knew that.
@4:20 Oddly enough, the Dutch were actually a dominant part of trade with northern Italy at certain times, even going so far as to create merchant colonies there. It's a bit of forgotten history though, because the Dutch ultimately couldn't compete with France, so the Mediterranean trade greatly diminished.
Incidentally, a big part of that was France being able to protect its merchant ships better in the Mediterranean, so a bounty office in Antwerp trying to solve the problem by paying someone else to deal with pirates, which would ideally cost less than the cost of a permanent navy presence, isn't that far off.
The end credits sequence made me laugh out loud quite a bit.
Has Yhatz ever tried Sunless Sea? I think he might enjoy it
To be honest... the boats having a happy ending in the credits *warmed my heart*.
And then it all went away after thinking "Celebes Sea???".
Now that I think about it, Yahtzee kind of, sort of-ish enjoyed* Paper Mario: The Oragami King, and that had a boat section in it. Maybe the interwebs are onto something. 🤔
In Thousand Years Door you can turn into a boat.
Pretty sure the Celebes sea is where your stuck in until you learn how to talk to potential partners without hyperventilating, Yahtzee.
“Trafficking cheese across the Sea of Tranquility.” Make that a game. *NOW.*
I've yearning for a title that could scratch my itch for a modern take on Uncharted Waters after its MMO put me to sleep, then I caught your stream on this game and immediately found out it was not it. Regardless, thanks for the hilarious review, Yatz, may the next nautical title be the one ⛵
Honestly, it scratches exactly that itch for me. the developers are still updating it to make it easier to play and more understandable. They have a demo. try it
@@dnoname8108 It's made by Uncharted Waters fans, basically
So let's test this theory more with Sail Forth, which is an indie ship around game, and also cozy despite the sea battles that sometime occur.
He did give a pretty positive review on the sailing part of Assassins Creed IV. Also Bioshock is set in an under water city. I believe in the aquatic affinity theory for Yahtzee.
Hey Yahtz, so I recently was playing a geography quiz game, and because your video I was able to get a better score in one of the questions involving the Ligurian sea.
I used to love playing uncharted waters on the NES way back in the day. I might actually have to pick this up, localization problems be damned.
The gameplay loop of this sounds exactly like Sid Meyer's Pirates - right down to the hex-based land minigame. Are we certain this isn't just that game run through a couple translation bots?
It certainly says something that one of the best pirate games around is Sid Meier's Pirates. A game that looks and plays like a game from 2 decades ago and is heavily based on a game of the same name from a decade before that.
And sure everything is super basic but what other pirate games have you ship fighting, boarding actions, duels, romancing the governors daughters and finding buried treasure while also getting bounties on other famous pirates. It just works for all it's simplicity
the fact that the script writer threw a fucking sea of tranquility line in here without explaining it like everyone is supposed to know thats actually a real name of a place on the moon just goes to show how genius they are lol. it feels like a little easter egg for smart/well read people because theres no way even 70% of the people viewing this video understood that line.
What a weird collision of coincidences. I recently started diving into Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin Series, as the fans of his work call it. It's usually not my genre of reading, but I've found myself oddly pleased by it.
Oh joy. Twenty more books to go.
I was about to recommend it. It makes Hornblower's level of character development look like The Famous Five.
This game sounds like an exact copy of Sid Meier's Pirates. That game has a faithful following and still sells copies.
5:33 back from the simpler times when dating was just like "nice rutter" "wanna rut?"
If I had to guess, the Ligurian Sea and Antwerp were probably both under the control of the Spanish Habsburgs at that point.
01:33 That's very clearly Antarctica.
I liked the obscure Michael Keaton reference
4:19
First of all, I did know where the Ligurian sea was, I'm an eu4 player, but more importantly: That's not Antwerpen. Antwerpen is a bit more east. You're pointing at Brugge probably? Maybe Gent?
Horatio Hornblower? That's a pretty deep cut, Yatz.
I'm surprised Wind Waker did not come up in his commentary about him liking games with boats in them. That game (and the Paper Mario series before Nintendo made it bad) used to be his defence against commenters who said he just doesn't like Nintendo games.
This game is a love letter to uncharted Waters made by Kōei for the PC-88. I remember playing it NES emulator back in 2006.
2 Soggy Biscuit references? Someone has plans for the weekend
4:45 - "hexagonal"?
He’s going to LOVE skull and bones
I can sum up what I think I know of Yahtzee with his being the only person I know that possibly likes Cadbury Cream Eggs. That's like saying you like coffee made from tree bark. Though +1 for Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker for his predilection to nautical themed games, and maybe Subnautica?
Wow, it's like he was specifically speaking to me in the Ligurian Sea bit...
I wonder what he will have to say about Pizza Tower, which is an indie 2D platformer game that came out late January and is as straightforward Warioland 4 action as you can get.
This game sounds almost identical to Sid Meyer's Pirates!, with less gameplay. I wonder why, in this golden age of games with boats and sprawling open worlds, no one has thought to remake it? Or make a sequel?
Some added depth in mechanics and some new detail in the world and it's basically done.
1:54 I didn't realize they were boots... I don't know why, they look closer to boots than they do legs and feet, but it was still a jarring realization to see the diverse peoples of the globe all wearing white boots like a set of 1960s go-go dancers.
It’s a bit old now, but I really liked Nantucket. It’s a strange strategy card game set in the whaling world of Moby Dick, that features combat, exploration and management as you establish a whaling empire, by setting up ports on different continents and shit. I really liked it, even if it is kinda bare bones. Still, I recommend it, for whatever that’s worth.
This sounds like the 1990s SNES game "Uncharted Waters" with sailing and meeting people from different people.
If you like boat games, you should try Skies of Arcadia. It's a dreamcast jrpg I LOVED a thousand years ago. I don't know how it holds up now.
Don't forget the portal boats. And that one boat ride in Undertale
i dunno man, the boat theory might be on to something. you gave wind waker a good review and resi 4 has that bit where you fight a mutant fish on a lake from a little speedboat with infinite harpoons
Glad to see the high water mark for this type of game remains Uncharted Waters: New Horizons by Koei in 1991.
Two oblique Jonathan Creek references in as many weeks. You spoil us... Ambassador?
The ship combat in this game reminds me of a recent game called King of Seas which is mostly ship combat but with a Diablo style inventory system.
1:53 Ok so they *HAVE* been wearing boots all along, good to know.
There's a conspicuous lack of dolphins in this investigation as to why Yahtzee likes boat games...
You should revisit Wind Waker and Assassin's Creed: Black Flag. This sailing theory needs more data and the thought of you talking about those two games in the same breath is hilarious to me for some reason. 🤣
0:30 - Dark Souls 2 was the one with the boat.