i dont think hes saying they lost the war its just that the majority of the worlds best play with stick meaning that when someone who plays pad goes over there to compete he doesnt know how to use stick
Marky D Maybe Arcade sticks are not that expensive. If you don't have 100 dollars, then you probably don't have a job either. My suggestion: spend less time uploading creeper videos to your TH-cam channel and go apply for work instead.
this is one reason i bought my stick. My pad would not do diagonals or double hitting buttons on the right side was also inconsistent. My pad made me play 10x better
I ordered a pad today because of those issues. Does it help? I constantly mess up diagonals and especially double buttons like 1+2 and 3+4. So hard to time. I keep accidentally getting 2, 1+2 instead of 1+2 only, and the combo fails. Does it help?
I do agree that pad is advantageous. I love using the PS2 controller and PS3 controller for fighting games. The only problem is in the long run depending on your play style your thumb will start to blister. Arcade may take a while to learn, but once you learn it. You'll probably never want to go back although you can.
pickpocket95 Most of the FGC actually dislikes the XBone pad because unintentional inputs happen frequently due to the dpads design. However, if it works for you that's great.
Raymund Noodles Congratulations, you commented. I too am glad your hearing is okay for the video. T'is a shame I knew exactly what he said and was making an additional comment. Enjoy your salty tea.
Moral of the story. Play with what you want until you are great, then challenge yourself with the other option so you can be flexible in any given situation. Good informed video. Most people think money spent = automatically better when it's reall not the case. I also think the stick has higher fun factor if you grew up playing arcade games. The feel of the stick and tapping buttons can enjoyable in it's own way.
A thing I see most comfortable about sticks is certain inputs. 1+4 and 2+3 are easier to do in a stick than in a pad. Also, pads can be grabbed in two ways to get certain inputs easier. You can grab it the normal way (using your thumb for inputs), which allows super-easy 1+3 and 2+4. And you can grab it with the claw (using your index and middle finger for inputs, leaving your ring finger for triggers), which allows easier 1+2 and 3+4, as well as quick 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 or 3-4-3-4-3-4-3-4-3-4.
Wrong. SonicFox won a shitton of tourneys with regular pads, and he still does. The skill comes from reflexes, the mindgame, etc.; the controller you use has nothing to do with that (there's a dude who won a Canadian cup on Guilty Gear Xrd using a steering wheel, so basically anything is possible as long as there's enough buttons). It's just whatever you're more comfortable with that's gonna help you win. Now I'd agree it kinda depends on the game : I've always preferred playing Tekken on a regular controller because I grew up playing the PSP versions of Dark Resurrection and Tekken 6, same for SoulCalibur. But when it comes to 2D fighting games, I mostly use arcade sticks unless I really just want to have fun with casual friends. Now, just because I'm used to playing Street Fighter with an arcade stick doesn't mean I'm bad with a regular controller either (I can do combos on SSFIV on 3DS), but suddenly switching to a different controller can feel very weird (you should see that footage of Daigo discovering the regular controller, it's hilarious). So any controller will do as long as it gives you the proper tools to play, even if it wasn't made for competitive fighting games at first. If you want a good deal between pads and sticks, get a 40$ Hori fightpad. They're really good and they're useful for people who are uncomfortable with sticks but give an excellent accuracy anyway.
@Xyckoh yes most of the old school tekken gamers will probably be more used to the stick because of what you mentioned, but that still means it's because they're used to it.
Don't overthink about what controller you should use, as long as you just want to be a decent/good/very good or even top player and have fun, any controller is fine. If you have the opportunity, try everything and choose what suits you the best. But really, don't think that buying an expensive arcade stick will suddenly make you a better player.
You can buy a larger actuator if you want more responsive movement. Actually, stick has so many custom parts you can buy to mod it to be just right for you
From the millions of videos that talk about the same Lord Aris is the only one that draws a visible line between stick and controller, Thank You Very Much
For games with multiple button moves like FADC and Ultras in SFIV or Roman Cancels and FDC in Guilty Gear, sticks offer inherent advantages because you have more fingers to press buttons with as opposed to just your thumb and possibly some trigger fingers. Negative edge is also much harder to pull off on pads. Since in some cases like in Guilty Gear's Zato / Eddie, you press other attacks before you release another button for the negative edge attack. Which means you hold one finger over the negative edge and press other buttons while its held. You can't easily do that on pad unless you get creative with the triggers.
In the PC versions of SF you can set the playstations L3 and R3 buttons to focus attacks, this makes FADCing A LOT easier. I personally feel you only need a stick for SF for pianoing, an plinking.
Ningamer X No it is not unless you have very good execution hitting 2 or more buttons at the same time will always be harder then hitting one button. Thats why pros use MACROS and yes they use MACROS look up their button configurations, though its never for focus attacks xd.
you still have to press them at the same time, if you dont press them exactly at the same time your screwed... one button vs a chance to mess up with hitting 2 buttons? Anyway I digress do what works for you, if you can consistently hit 2 buttons nothing is stopping you, but for those of us who are afraid of dropping an FADC we MACRO that lol.
I recommend playing with your index and long finger on the right hand, on the gamepad, kind of like on a arcade stick. I started with Tekken 3 and I remember adopting this style fairly quickly. I didn't learn it from anyone, it just made sense to me and certain multibutton combos were a lot easier. Initially I remember a increased error rate with the easy combinations, like the basic throws. But it didn't take me long to sync my fingers, and this is something that arcade stick users have to deal with too. Really for anyone who is serious enough to watch this video, using this style is definately worth it, especially if you're fairly new to the game. For players who are very experienced it might not be worth it to relearn the muscle memory, and these days I know you have options in adding multi-button combinations to the shoulder buttons.
Aris did actually go to Japan, because he won the US qualifier to go to SBO in 2010 for Tekken. I think he's seen a few tournaments :P Also, he plays on stick. When he talks about more top players in the US and Europe playing on pad, he's talking specifically about Tekken.
Great vid. The major reason why I switched from pad to stick on ALL fighting games was the universality of the arcade stick. Like you said, not being able to play on what you're used to holds you back and now, since I've made the switch, it's not an issue for me to play on PS3, 360 or Arcade. Thanks, crappy Xbox 360 d-pad! I owe it all to you.
personally. im repeating: personally* i find stick movement easier, because strictly moving with my left thumb is very taxing for me. the ability to use more fingers in any leftward direction, and the larger range of motion just helps me out when I'm playing the Mishimas, or other characters focused on spacing and JF. Never really been a fan of the pad honestly, even since i broke in my back button when I couldn't play the game and only knew to block
if you are a pad player and u are planning to change to stick user, always remember that its really hard at first to switch pad to stick. its like ur right handed and changing to left handed. i am a pad player before and switch to stick and its hard. my tip for you if you are a tekken player and you are switching to stick, focus first on movement. like how you gonna execute a backdash perfectly something like that.
You can change it in the Controller Setup? You click the left analog stick in and use the D-Pad to change the use of it, you can use it to Tag or for Movement..
Great vid i agree 100%! I have been a pad player sense mortal kombat 2 and x-men cota days. But i know the stick is basically the last stage to mastering the game. The stick pretty much set me back to my kid years. Being its so sensitive and proficient but im used to mashing my way to combos. And its been working as well as hurting and hindering. The goal is to be as accurate as possible im now learning that putting my time in the stick.
It's kinda funny because playing pad will ruin my thumb joints in like an hour or two. Meanwhile on stick, as I use arm, wrist or even fingers depending on what move I'm doing, it feels so much less taxing ;p It literally feels like thumb for everything vs spreading the load over multiple different joints and muscles for me. Having said that, a hitbox or keyboard is still in general the most sustainable for me. Probably because I'm already used to typing a *lot* and can do so without much tension at all. So for me it's like Hitbox> keyboard/arcade stick>>pad from most comfortable to least comfortable.
Just came across this and I agree with the left hand vs the right hand argument. I'm much better with my left hand on a pad and my right with the buttons on the stick. Using an original stick device, I attached a left hand grip with dpad in place of the removad stick. It's a weird looking contraption, but I'm faster overall with it than either of the originals.
The sound argument is obviously a factor, you forgot to mention how humans are able to react to audible stimulus much faster than visual stimulus; roughly .12s versus .16s, 4 hundreths, AND what's even bigger is that in all games there's a input delay of at least 1 frame, or 1/60th, not mention that most attacks have intentional extra delay built into them before any sprite is changed, or hit boxes are changed, 2/60th to 4/60th about. so in all you're roughly 1/10th of second sooner input to react to, which is absolutely HUGE, most attacks have active hit boxes with than time. Why hasn't one made system that's a pad for left and arcade style buttons for right? or sound dampened arcade buttons, like on many keyboards? (and dampen the surface next to and below the buttons with some type of polymer) I should make my own peripheral company I swear, There's not many Pro Gamers that are also mechanical engineers, for gamers by gamer(s) :D
SpiderWaffle I believe certain companies manufacture arcade buttons with "silencer pads" so players Can mod their stick. I've yet to actually try them but I've seen the option to purchase them online!
SpiderWaffle the hitbox is sort of that. they have buttons instead of a stick for movement, although i feel doing 180, 360, or 720 is still super difficult without a stick.
SpiderWaffle Please make a replica or improved Saturn pad . its still one of the best pads in the world and that doesn't make sense to me. Its very simple and lightweight and you'd think it'd have been easily copied by many but there's virtually no real replacement for it even in 2018
In my opinion, even though I don't play tekken, a stick is much better if you have self doubt. With a stick you feel when you press a direction/button, you have a more tactile feedback and can tell when your holding a direction. When I'm using a pad and playing a game like street fighter, I can't tell sometimes if I'm holding downback/forward, or if I even am doing an input for a shroyuken or a haduken, I can know that it is going to come out. I also feel that it comes out a lot more consistently. In my opinion, the only time that pad has an advantage, is if you play a grapple character with fc inputs(Ex. Zangief hagar etc.).
You can't play top players on pads if you go to the asian arcades or any arcades for that matter but you certain can use pad at any major tournament, especially evo so that point is kind of irrelevant.
The pad can get a delay unless it is a tournament using a console, if it is, the it's up to the player to use Stick or Pad. Also: The noise the stick makes DOES matter. See tournament videos and pay attention when the new two players sit down and set the controls; on Stick players, it's common to see a few setting up a button as "No Function" (term given by Street Fighter) This is done so that they press the "blank" button to confuse the other player into a reaction and see what they would do.
You're not limiting yourself by playing on a pad, just because the players in Korea/Japan play in arcades. That's something the tournament organizers have to think about. If pad ports are laggy, then consider using home versions. If there's an error on home version, talk to Namco. Being forced to use stick because thats what other countries use is similar the same as picking a certain character because thats the most popular character in that country.
It's completely dependant of the player; I could go up against Diago with the best fightstick ever, with everything made of solid gold and best equipment possible, but will it matter if he used a pad? No. They could have won with wiimote and nunchuck, it doesn't make the controller optimal over a fightstick.
He didnt say sticks are shit, he said its preference and its harder to move around with a stick because of the wider range of motion the stick has vs the tiny radius of the d-pad
I play USF4 on keybaord , and I've tried pad and Fight sticks , and I think pad isn't meant for fighting games , sticks just feel natural for fighting games , and it's extremely hard to push combination of button on pad , and while doing movement with your left thumb , it's extremely hard to use the left triggers at the same time..oh and pressing 1+4 and 2+3 is next to impossible on Pad , you need to make separate binding for them , which means you need to bind at least one button to left triggers that i difficult to use while doing movement. On Fight sticks it's not an issue , you can press any number of buttons you want while doing movement which is very important. Also the reactions come out faster on sticks naturally , while you need to practice that on pad. Since I'm a Keyboard player , I have an advantage over stick and pad , I follow the same layout as stick , that is 4,5,6 = Punches and 1,2,3 = kicks and WASD for movement , I can dash fast , press combinations even better than stick cause on keyboard buttons are closer to each other , I can use 1 finger to press 2 buttons , for example 4+1 , which is a throw. in tekken doing an EWGF is much easier with keyboard than with stick and pad from both sides , thought I've only played tekken6 on keyboard with PPSSPP emulator , for the rest of my life I've played tekken on Arcades on a stick.
Don Johnson I don't care who you are, but if you're a pad player and you went and devoted enough time into a fighting stick.. You wouldn't wanna go back.
Yes you can go to controller setup then go over button settings, press the analouge stick and while pressed move it in any direction. After that youl will see that the movement is assigned to the left stick.
@Shirdel7221 As I stated in the video, with practice everything is achievable with both pad and stick. However, the main point of this video is the hidden disadvantage attached to pad. Which is the inability to play the best in the world. Thus meaning a pad player can never be the best in the world. Pretty big handicap if you ask me.
I am certain many people will agree with me, I am fed up with the amount of times this debate pops up. Once again, I know people who can EWGF x5 Consistently with a Pad and a Stick, it's all down to personal preference.
Those are all valid points, I for example can only play on an Arcadestick because when I have to play Beat'em Ups on a controller I get so much pain in my hands. My left thumb starts to hurt and the inside of my right hand where the thumb muscle goes is very cramped up and painful. After I started playing on an Arcadestick I didn't had this problems and was so much better at executing different moves without much difficulty (for example 10 hit combo of Josie, learned within 5-10 minutes).
You have way more control with your entire hand and multiple fingers than just with two thumbs. This is a major factor that isn't mentioned. Try making a couple of full circles on a d-pad as fast as with a stick, never mind the bigger travel distance.
I think a big issue is that pad is more accessible in the U.S., especially on the Northeast coast. I had a few options for arcades when I was a kid, but by high school almost all of them were gone or preparing to close down. What do you do? A fight stick is wonderful, but you have to be willing to drop the cash on a quality stick. Thus, we end up with pad, get accustomed to it, and then tend to get wrecked.
I think one last thing to consider in this argument is the whole corded vs wireless aspect. Wireless has yet to be able to match the response speed of a direct connection so the most precise execution may be harder to accomplish on a pad since the majority of them are wireless/bluetooth. Personally when I play SF4 or mvc3 on pad at home(I don't have an arcade stick yet) I feel like I miss inputs here and there because of the slight delayed response.
Very nice vid. I dont agree 100% with you on some points, but the most important still stands - you have to go for stick if you want to be competitive.
I'm a pad player, i bought a stick after watching alot of professional players but can't get on with it at all, this is entirely because i'm from the UK and have never seen a tekken or sf arcade machine. I know now that the differences are fairly minor, and stick players are also sometimes suprised at what comes out of pad players, especially in something like mvc. Both are options, neither are inferior.
im a pad user and i only use the shoulders, meaning L1 for left punch, L2 for Left kick, R1 for Right punch, and R2 for Right kick... I never use the buttons ... i find it very helpful for excecution and speed on tekken .. been playin it since tekken 4 and Im really good at it.. also helps for throws.... so what do you think about shoulder user instead of button users on the pad ?? has anyone using the pad this way ? HOlla back!
Never used a stick and because I never used the buttons on a pad, i look at sticks and be like hell no lol... but yeah .... shoulder use of the pad needs some getting used to, but once the learning curve is over, its crazy fast.. I gotta say tho, its easier to use the shoulders on ps2 than it is on ps3 and 4... .. i could never use the psp console because I cant use it that way .... any comments on that ?
favorite characters are the mishimas, jin and devil jin, law, baek doo san , howarang and lee....with each shoulder representing a separate limb, the excecution is supper fast !!
I can see the merit of this setup, you're dedicating a separate finger to each attack buttons where as the default setup uses only the thumb. I reckon with practice, it could be as precise as the hitbox, keyboards or stick which essentially does the same thing. Alas I'm too used to the default setup already to try this.
thx for the info, ill be sticking to the pad cuz i am a newbee and im not intending to play on tournaments just have fun, thx man ur videos are very instructionall. im starting tekken 7 and never truly dive fully into a fighting game so the fact that tekken 7 has no tutorial make this videos so so usefuul to me. Continue with the hard work you have my support
Yoshimitsu's 1+4 is unusable. Also Nina has a 1+4 essential bound move, that's difficult on a pad. If not, impossible. Maybe with button buffering. But that's kind of shitty because it limits you.
Shock Starr Yeah but that's why I don't play on pad. Crab style looks ridiculous plus it doesn't improve that much. I still don't hit it 50% of the time. With Arcade I can even do Bryan's taunt easily.
i agree with you. pads are better in their own way and so are sticks, the only thing is sticks are widely used in competitive play and are also used by the best. personally, in my history of playing fighting games, i prefer pad. im a Lee player in Tekken and an Ivy player in SC. for me, getting stuff like, b2~ f n with Lee or a consistent iCS with Ivy is relatively easy on pad while using certain methods. some characters need a stick, some do not. preferences
When i play with a pad i do not use my thumb to press the 1,2,3,4 buttons, nor do i have my triggers set up as multi-buttons, Its strange to me that i don't know anyone else that holds the pad like i do, yet the way i do t feels so natural, and allow me to move around the pad pressing multi-buttons easily. i use my forefinger and middle finger to press buttons, with my forefinger hovering over the 1 and 3 button, and my middle finger hovering over the 2 and 4 button. Then with my thumb, ring finger and pinky i grip and secure the pad
***** I don't know anyone that uses a pad and doesn't use index and middle for 1234. For 1+3 and 2+4 throws you use the underneath of your finger and you push it flat on 1 and 3, and 2 and 4.
I use stick but when I do use a pad, I sit it on my thigh and press the buttons with my index, middle, and ring finger, and if i need all 4 I will use my thumb. but I can only play 4 or less button games like that like soul calibur, KOF, virtua fighter, doa, tekken, blazblue....etc.
I disagree that pad wins on movement. I played pad for 2 years competitively and I can't tell you how many times I'd do inputs that I didn't wanna do. And that's because I'm only using my thumb for every movement input. Stick has a lot more control and precision but requires more effort. Instead of just using your thumb, it's more like drawing with a pencil and having that control. I think control and precision is key here, though, because it enables you to be more consistent, if that makes sense. Pad is advantageous in that it's easier to pick up. But stick is more advantageous in being consistent, precise, and clean.
TH-cam Police I just started playing Tekken 7. Last time I played Tekken was Tekken 3 when I was younger. I played arcade sticks in arcades as a kid so arcade sticks are not foreign to me. With that being said I discovered that unintended pad inputs happen in the heat of battle. Frustrating. Your comment almost has me convinced that sticks could likely be the way to go. I need precision. I need more control. Fighting stick FTW.
Yo so I know this video is old as fuck and I'm sure people have already mentioned this before, but if you're like me and youtube recommended this to you for some reason and you're deciding whether or not to play on stick, there is something else to consider. When I picked up Guilty Gear for the first time, I didn't own a stick, just an XBox controller plugged into my PC. I played that and grinded out training mode for many hours at a time and then my hands would get sore from all the DP motions and specific button combinations. So I started taking breaks and over time I'd have to take more and more breaks in smaller sessions. My hands were just getting fucked up from trying to play on pad for longer and more consistent stretches. Weak joints run in my family, so that is definitely a factor with my situation. I figured I was invested enough and wanted to pick up a stick, and I also figured if I could ease up the pressure on my thumbs I wouldn't feel so shitty. After all, your fingers are pretty weak in comparison to your wrists. I picked up my stick and there was an IMMEDIATE difference in my hands. Sure I was fucking up a lot in game because the motions were so foreign to me but my hands were perfectly fine. I could play for 12 hours straight if I ever wanted to and my hands wouldn't get fatigued at all. If you are like me and play for long stretches, seriously consider picking up a stick. Besides, it's a lot more satisfying to combo on arcade parts, I promise.
@JuJuHasUtube btw this is xbox pad I'm talking about, dualshocks are a lot better for movement but hitting buttons together at once and buffering moves is a lot easier on stick over a dualshock pad.
lol tell that Krone, and i use him as an example because he can play on both pad and stick, but he sticks with pad. A pad definitely can accomplish everything a stick can. Im a stick advocator myself, but i still know that at the end of the day, it all depends on what you learn the game with, personal preference and all that.
I know he meant it's a comparatively long travel, but it cracked me up when he said "just look at the range of motion your arm has to travel!" Then moved a quarter inch.
I use pad only too.With my right hand I put my index finger on 1 and my middle finger on 4. My other two fingers are on standby for when I need to do some crazy combination. For my left hand which controls the D-pad, i use the bare edge of my thumb to scrape the arrows for faster movements like SS cancelling. For Tekken at least this is okay because its very linient, allowing you to slide from one arrow to another.
there's also a health issue because if you are the type of player who press hard with your thumb, you'll eventually hurt your thumb if you play on the pad.
Yeah for moves like paul's phoenix smasher qcf2 on kb its really easy but on pad sometimes what happens is something like this d df f u2, i mean sticks aren't really that perfect with their use. It's impossible in kb to mistakenly press up during a move like qcf2 but in stick, up might get pressed while doing a qcf2. Another example is mishima electric fist, f d df2 in stick sometimes other direction buttons get pressed but this move can be done accurately on a kb. But why doesn't anyone use kb for playing tekken
ASHISH62 They use PS4 for Tekken, right? Because if so, PS4 doesn't allow keyboard use for a lot of if not all fighting games. That's why I hardly play Street Fighter on console.
Sticks are so damn hard to find, BUT when you find one and can get a feel for it and get good at it you'll never go back to pad, I try to keep a back up stick and a back up for that back up.
I feel there is allot missing from the comparison like a pad will not last as long as a stick sticks were made to last pads die fast. Also madcatz is designing sticks with silent buttons sticks. Madcatz also designed silent parts for people who know how to mos sticks so sound may not be an issue in the future.
I was beingccheap too, then I said scew it. The cheapest, but highly effective is the Madcatz TEs (tournament edition). They the standard several pros won touraments with them and force HORI to step thier game up. Ya should on ebay and get one. moding them and fixing are cheap too. TEs are the standards anything less equal defeat. However, i went all out for HORI fight edge. Lol also use TH-cam to research at a Starbucks and relax (thier prices just went up so McDonald's coffee is good too both has free wifi). lol
I prefer a stick for three reasons. 1: I think it's more fun. Remember that word? Fun. 2: It's universal, if you know how to play on a stick, you can play on a stick on any platform/the arcade. You don't need to adapt to different controls every time. 3: I like to mod and personalize my stuff, obviously it has no effect on gameplay but still.
personally,i prefer the stick,and the reason is, the buttons are bigger so its easier to hit the button that you need to hit. Also,stick is a bit easier to use because of the layout of the buttons.
I don't know, stick just feels A LOT better. Plus pulling out special moves is easier. Shoryukens are a pain in the ass with pads, and try pulling out Akuma in MVC when using Ryu, you'll get it 3/10 times.
Story of the day: Play on Analog. Best of both worlds. Easier to wave dash with, but also gets you in and out of footsie range. All you need to do is practice the double-back and double-forward motion and you'll be all set.
I think also if you play on pad you are taking away valuable opportunities from yourself that are exclusive to an arcade cabinate like playing a location test for ttt2. If you play on pad then you wont be able to play your best and execute the things you want to. All in all if you play on pad and only pad i think its worth learning stick for those opportunities like playing the best or a test for a fighting game.
you can just frame on a pad by using shoulder shortcuts than override the input, my 3+4 is binded to R2 so for example yoshi mid mid, is 3, 4 jf, you can do X = 3, than press R2, instantly,
i use a pad, and am proud of it. My thumb pressing rapidly on a pad can be as dexterous as an entire hand tapping on a stick. With less distance to cover, and less muscle memory to learn, i think it is a little bit more ergonomic as well. But dont get me wrong, arcade sticks are badass, and i wish i could use one. Each to their own, i guess. great video!
Pads: We won the battle, but lost the war.
Marky D dude im SO technical on pad but i cant do shit in the arcade lol
i dont think hes saying they lost the war its just that the majority of the worlds best play with stick meaning that when someone who plays pad goes over there to compete he doesnt know how to use stick
Marky D Maybe Arcade sticks are not that expensive. If you don't have 100 dollars, then you probably don't have a job either. My suggestion: spend less time uploading creeper videos to your TH-cam channel and go apply for work instead.
The hitbox (stickless) arcade stick master race looks down from the heavens quietly at all ye pad and stick warring fools and smiles.
@@wa2368 guys where do i plug my hitbox in this arcade cabinet
"Hmmmm, this guy sounds like Aris."
*Looks at uploader name*
Im an idiot
he said his name is the beginning
People like you. smh
My name is the beginning
naraic1020 right
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diagonals are much comfortable to do on stick.
this is one reason i bought my stick. My pad would not do diagonals or double hitting buttons on the right side was also inconsistent. My pad made me play 10x better
I ordered a pad today because of those issues. Does it help? I constantly mess up diagonals and especially double buttons like 1+2 and 3+4. So hard to time. I keep accidentally getting 2, 1+2 instead of 1+2 only, and the combo fails. Does it help?
Lunaea Domiá if you are experiencing difficulties with 1+2 and 3+4, just go to controller settings and set 1+2 for L1 and 3+4 for R1 which is easier
Jiggypuff_ RN i'm on my 1st day of tekken 7, thanks for informing that diagonals can be set into 1 single button. holly shit that a helps a lot.
Marco Aldo you cant, you can only set attack buttons
I grew up playing tekken on the pad. Sticks are like a foreign language to me lol
well then u must be much junger than me^^
Kahrun Charles i agree
Kahrun Charles damn i ply pad too and its so fun to me!!!
Kahrun Charles since i cant afford a stick xDD
Luffy evo 2014 nuff said
I do agree that pad is advantageous. I love using the PS2 controller and PS3 controller for fighting games. The only problem is in the long run depending on your play style your thumb will start to blister. Arcade may take a while to learn, but once you learn it. You'll probably never want to go back although you can.
I think an important thing to mention (at least as far as tekken goes) is the absolutely atrocious dpad for 360 pad players
Yes! I can't play for shit with a 360 pad. Movement is all fucked up. And buttons don't suit well for double presses(A+Y for instance).
BeefHoward You sir are not lying. I played Tekken on an XBone controller and hated life the entire time.
Xminess Dumbass, he was talking about 360 dpad not xbone. The xbone dpad is fine as it is.
pickpocket95 Most of the FGC actually dislikes the XBone pad because unintentional inputs happen frequently due to the dpads design. However, if it works for you that's great.
Raymund Noodles Congratulations, you commented. I too am glad your hearing is okay for the video. T'is a shame I knew exactly what he said and was making an additional comment.
Enjoy your salty tea.
Moral of the story. Play with what you want until you are great, then challenge yourself with the other option so you can be flexible in any given situation. Good informed video. Most people think money spent = automatically better when it's reall not the case. I also think the stick has higher fun factor if you grew up playing arcade games. The feel of the stick and tapping buttons can enjoyable in it's own way.
He's talking strictly about Tekken here.
A thing I see most comfortable about sticks is certain inputs. 1+4 and 2+3 are easier to do in a stick than in a pad. Also, pads can be grabbed in two ways to get certain inputs easier. You can grab it the normal way (using your thumb for inputs), which allows super-easy 1+3 and 2+4. And you can grab it with the claw (using your index and middle finger for inputs, leaving your ring finger for triggers), which allows easier 1+2 and 3+4, as well as quick 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 or 3-4-3-4-3-4-3-4-3-4.
So stick players aren't necessarily powerful, but the most powerful players use stick.
Wrong.
SonicFox won a shitton of tourneys with regular pads, and he still does. The skill comes from reflexes, the mindgame, etc.; the controller you use has nothing to do with that (there's a dude who won a Canadian cup on Guilty Gear Xrd using a steering wheel, so basically anything is possible as long as there's enough buttons).
It's just whatever you're more comfortable with that's gonna help you win.
Now I'd agree it kinda depends on the game :
I've always preferred playing Tekken on a regular controller because I grew up playing the PSP versions of Dark Resurrection and Tekken 6, same for SoulCalibur.
But when it comes to 2D fighting games, I mostly use arcade sticks unless I really just want to have fun with casual friends. Now, just because I'm used to playing Street Fighter with an arcade stick doesn't mean I'm bad with a regular controller either (I can do combos on SSFIV on 3DS), but suddenly switching to a different controller can feel very weird (you should see that footage of Daigo discovering the regular controller, it's hilarious).
So any controller will do as long as it gives you the proper tools to play, even if it wasn't made for competitive fighting games at first.
If you want a good deal between pads and sticks, get a 40$ Hori fightpad. They're really good and they're useful for people who are uncomfortable with sticks but give an excellent accuracy anyway.
@@alexhardline2208 ty
@Xyckoh yes most of the old school tekken gamers will probably be more used to the stick because of what you mentioned, but that still means it's because they're used to it.
Since when was Sonicfox winning even a few Tekken tournaments, let alone a shitton?
Alex Hardline a fuckin steering wheel?
Don't overthink about what controller you should use, as long as you just want to be a decent/good/very good or even top player and have fun, any controller is fine. If you have the opportunity, try everything and choose what suits you the best. But really, don't think that buying an expensive arcade stick will suddenly make you a better player.
Only point you didn't cover was fun factor: using a stick is just so enjoyable, it's like playing an instrument when you know your character well.
I'm sold now
@aabyssx Two perfect examples I can think of off the top of my head are Arario and Anakin. Both have/had incredibly smooth movement.
I use sticks because I *cannot* efficiently use diagonals on Dpad.
thats my main problem as well.
I'm having this issue now
you mean jump cancel and advance air combos? I can't do them using dualshock 4
my biggest pad issue is landing long grab combos on king
My main problem on the stock.
Wondering how many people went into Tekken to practice KBD, after seeing him do it on pad
Interesting, I never thought about left hand right hand advantage. Thanks for the insight! ^_^
You can buy a larger actuator if you want more responsive movement. Actually, stick has so many custom parts you can buy to mod it to be just right for you
TH-cam recommendation must’ve took a huge bong got fucking stoned
From the millions of videos that talk about the same Lord Aris is the only one that draws a visible line between stick and controller, Thank You Very Much
For games with multiple button moves like FADC and Ultras in SFIV or Roman Cancels and FDC in Guilty Gear, sticks offer inherent advantages because you have more fingers to press buttons with as opposed to just your thumb and possibly some trigger fingers.
Negative edge is also much harder to pull off on pads. Since in some cases like in Guilty Gear's Zato / Eddie, you press other attacks before you release another button for the negative edge attack. Which means you hold one finger over the negative edge and press other buttons while its held. You can't easily do that on pad unless you get creative with the triggers.
In the PC versions of SF you can set the playstations L3 and R3 buttons to focus attacks, this makes FADCing A LOT easier. I personally feel you only need a stick for SF for pianoing, an plinking.
aspreedacore I thing is way easy just pressing square and triangle...
Ningamer X
No it is not unless you have very good execution hitting 2 or more buttons at the same time will always be harder then hitting one button. Thats why pros use MACROS and yes they use MACROS look up their button configurations, though its never for focus attacks xd.
aspreedacore those 2 buttons are side by side... when you combo the ex focus cancel is way easier pressing triangle+square
you still have to press them at the same time, if you dont press them exactly at the same time your screwed... one button vs a chance to mess up with hitting 2 buttons? Anyway I digress do what works for you, if you can consistently hit 2 buttons nothing is stopping you, but for those of us who are afraid of dropping an FADC we MACRO that lol.
I recommend playing with your index and long finger on the right hand, on the gamepad, kind of like on a arcade stick.
I started with Tekken 3 and I remember adopting this style fairly quickly. I didn't learn it from anyone, it just made sense to me and certain multibutton combos were a lot easier. Initially I remember a increased error rate with the easy combinations, like the basic throws. But it didn't take me long to sync my fingers, and this is something that arcade stick users have to deal with too. Really for anyone who is serious enough to watch this video, using this style is definately worth it, especially if you're fairly new to the game. For players who are very experienced it might not be worth it to relearn the muscle memory, and these days I know you have options in adding multi-button combinations to the shoulder buttons.
Aris did actually go to Japan, because he won the US qualifier to go to SBO in 2010 for Tekken. I think he's seen a few tournaments :P Also, he plays on stick. When he talks about more top players in the US and Europe playing on pad, he's talking specifically about Tekken.
Great vid. The major reason why I switched from pad to stick on ALL fighting games was the universality of the arcade stick. Like you said, not being able to play on what you're used to holds you back and now, since I've made the switch, it's not an issue for me to play on PS3, 360 or Arcade.
Thanks, crappy Xbox 360 d-pad! I owe it all to you.
personally.
im repeating: personally*
i find stick movement easier, because strictly moving with my left thumb is very taxing for me. the ability to use more fingers in any leftward direction, and the larger range of motion just helps me out when I'm playing the Mishimas, or other characters focused on spacing and JF.
Never really been a fan of the pad honestly, even since i broke in my back button when I couldn't play the game and only knew to block
if you are a pad player and u are planning to change to stick user, always remember that its really hard at first to switch pad to stick. its like ur right handed and changing to left handed. i am a pad player before and switch to stick and its hard. my tip for you if you are a tekken player and you are switching to stick, focus first on movement. like how you gonna execute a backdash perfectly something like that.
Stumbled upon the *Deep Lore* with this one 🤔🧐
You can change it in the Controller Setup? You click the left analog stick in and use the D-Pad to change the use of it, you can use it to Tag or for Movement..
TH-cam did it after 9 years this was in my recommended
Great vid i agree 100%! I have been a pad player sense mortal kombat 2 and x-men cota days. But i know the stick is basically the last stage to mastering the game. The stick pretty much set me back to my kid years. Being its so sensitive and proficient but im used to mashing my way to combos. And its been working as well as hurting and hindering. The goal is to be as accurate as possible im now learning that putting my time in the stick.
It's kinda funny because playing pad will ruin my thumb joints in like an hour or two. Meanwhile on stick, as I use arm, wrist or even fingers depending on what move I'm doing, it feels so much less taxing ;p It literally feels like thumb for everything vs spreading the load over multiple different joints and muscles for me. Having said that, a hitbox or keyboard is still in general the most sustainable for me. Probably because I'm already used to typing a *lot* and can do so without much tension at all. So for me it's like Hitbox> keyboard/arcade stick>>pad from most comfortable to least comfortable.
You definitely need to get a great stretch every hour or so if you want to play on a pad effectively.
Just came across this and I agree with the left hand vs the right hand argument. I'm much better with my left hand on a pad and my right with the buttons on the stick. Using an original stick device, I attached a left hand grip with dpad in place of the removad stick. It's a weird looking contraption, but I'm faster overall with it than either of the originals.
ITT: incredibly high level shit that won't matter for 95% of players
DaniKilp more like, they don't know such a technical side exists or don't care
or they dont care about taking the game that seriously..
DaniKilp lol feel superior cause you nerd over a game?
Because of your IC. Nice joke LMAO
Ummm not stupid, just ignorant. I remember when I didn't know what a cancel was.
I thank you bro for these info 2 years already with arcade stick. Arcade Stick is the way to go for fighting games
The sound argument is obviously a factor, you forgot to mention how humans are able to react to audible stimulus much faster than visual stimulus; roughly .12s versus .16s, 4 hundreths, AND what's even bigger is that in all games there's a input delay of at least 1 frame, or 1/60th, not mention that most attacks have intentional extra delay built into them before any sprite is changed, or hit boxes are changed, 2/60th to 4/60th about. so in all you're roughly 1/10th of second sooner input to react to, which is absolutely HUGE, most attacks have active hit boxes with than time.
Why hasn't one made system that's a pad for left and arcade style buttons for right? or sound dampened arcade buttons, like on many keyboards? (and dampen the surface next to and below the buttons with some type of polymer)
I should make my own peripheral company I swear, There's not many Pro Gamers that are also mechanical engineers, for gamers by gamer(s) :D
SpiderWaffle I believe certain companies manufacture arcade buttons with "silencer pads" so players Can mod their stick. I've yet to actually try them but I've seen the option to purchase them online!
hitbox yo
SpiderWaffle the hitbox is sort of that. they have buttons instead of a stick for movement, although i feel doing 180, 360, or 720 is still super difficult without a stick.
SpiderWaffle Please make a replica or improved Saturn pad . its still one of the best pads in the world and that doesn't make sense to me. Its very simple and lightweight and you'd think it'd have been easily copied by many but there's virtually no real replacement for it even in 2018
SpiderWaffle Sanwa makes buttons with a bit of foam within them to dampen the sound a bit. It is moderately effective.
In my opinion, even though I don't play tekken, a stick is much better if you have self doubt. With a stick you feel when you press a direction/button, you have a more tactile feedback and can tell when your holding a direction. When I'm using a pad and playing a game like street fighter, I can't tell sometimes if I'm holding downback/forward, or if I even am doing an input for a shroyuken or a haduken, I can know that it is going to come out. I also feel that it comes out a lot more consistently. In my opinion, the only time that pad has an advantage, is if you play a grapple character with fc inputs(Ex. Zangief hagar etc.).
You can't play top players on pads if you go to the asian arcades or any arcades for that matter but you certain can use pad at any major tournament, especially evo so that point is kind of irrelevant.
Will it make more sense if I replace his "play against" to "consistently practice against"?
Top level tournaments are played at the arcades in Japan and Korea to this day
For Tekken
The pad can get a delay unless it is a tournament using a console, if it is, the it's up to the player to use Stick or Pad.
Also: The noise the stick makes DOES matter. See tournament videos and pay attention when the new two players sit down and set the controls; on Stick players, it's common to see a few setting up a button as "No Function" (term given by Street Fighter) This is done so that they press the "blank" button to confuse the other player into a reaction and see what they would do.
that stick is bad ass
You're not limiting yourself by playing on a pad, just because the players in Korea/Japan play in arcades. That's something the tournament organizers have to think about. If pad ports are laggy, then consider using home versions. If there's an error on home version, talk to Namco. Being forced to use stick because thats what other countries use is similar the same as picking a certain character because thats the most popular character in that country.
Pad won USF4 EVO 2014
It's completely dependant of the player; I could go up against Diago with the best fightstick ever, with everything made of solid gold and best equipment possible, but will it matter if he used a pad? No. They could have won with wiimote and nunchuck, it doesn't make the controller optimal over a fightstick.
You can map the left analog stick to movement in TTT2 for xbox360. Look in the control options.
i felt like my execution was sluggish on pad. Sometimes when i pressed downforward it did a down instead. That annoyed me a lot
u can use it, u have to set up the controller setting. Set the left stick to movement, simple as that
I really interested in stick, its hard to do combo with pad especially when I at right side, but when I checked the price, I stick to pad
He didnt say sticks are shit, he said its preference and its harder to move around with a stick because of the wider range of motion the stick has vs the tiny radius of the d-pad
I play USF4 on keybaord , and I've tried pad and Fight sticks , and I think pad isn't meant for fighting games , sticks just feel natural for fighting games , and it's extremely hard to push combination of button on pad , and while doing movement with your left thumb , it's extremely hard to use the left triggers at the same time..oh and pressing 1+4 and 2+3 is next to impossible on Pad , you need to make separate binding for them , which means you need to bind at least one button to left triggers that i difficult to use while doing movement.
On Fight sticks it's not an issue , you can press any number of buttons you want while doing movement which is very important.
Also the reactions come out faster on sticks naturally , while you need to practice that on pad.
Since I'm a Keyboard player , I have an advantage over stick and pad , I follow the same layout as stick , that is 4,5,6 = Punches and 1,2,3 = kicks and WASD for movement , I can dash fast , press combinations even better than stick cause on keyboard buttons are closer to each other , I can use 1 finger to press 2 buttons , for example 4+1 , which is a throw. in tekken doing an EWGF is much easier with keyboard than with stick and pad from both sides , thought I've only played tekken6 on keyboard with PPSSPP emulator , for the rest of my life I've played tekken on Arcades on a stick.
Shin Akuma I'm a 3k pp ssf4 pad player...i know 5kpp pad players..its all about how much time you put into it.
Don Johnson I don't care who you are, but if you're a pad player and you went and devoted enough time into a fighting stick.. You wouldn't wanna go back.
Don Johnson Why are you picking a fight. Stop acting like a kid.
cause you know I'll body you in sf4
Just ignore the slime ball, he just looks like a douche.
Yes you can go to controller setup then go over button settings, press the analouge stick and while pressed move it in any direction. After that youl will see that the movement is assigned to the left stick.
what's up guys, Aris here.
@Shirdel7221 As I stated in the video, with practice everything is achievable with both pad and stick. However, the main point of this video is the hidden disadvantage attached to pad. Which is the inability to play the best in the world. Thus meaning a pad player can never be the best in the world. Pretty big handicap if you ask me.
I'm weird. I play Tekken with a pad and SF with a stick. I can't play either game if I flip flop controllers.
FoxLZ111111111111111111111111111111111111111 Says the guy with an unusual amount of 1's in his name. We are all weird.
FoxLZ111111111111111111111111111111111111111 You win.
carlomagneto same
I am certain many people will agree with me, I am fed up with the amount of times this debate pops up.
Once again, I know people who can EWGF x5 Consistently with a Pad and a Stick, it's all down to personal preference.
Well, it basicaly come down to preference but, If you wanna compete against THE BEST players; you might as well learn a stick.
FallenSerpent
Do u know were I can buy aris stick model?
Oml smh
Those are all valid points, I for example can only play on an Arcadestick because when I have to play Beat'em Ups on a controller I get so much pain in my hands. My left thumb starts to hurt and the inside of my right hand where the thumb muscle goes is very cramped up and painful. After I started playing on an Arcadestick I didn't had this problems and was so much better at executing different moves without much difficulty (for example 10 hit combo of Josie, learned within 5-10 minutes).
Got a stick a few days ago.. could never go back to pad for fighting games
Pads are trash imo pulling of some combos are close to impossible pull off
TMG 365’z I had no issues the only problem is when the pad pressure gives out and it gets wonkey and soft and it becomes useless
TMG 365’z Nah not at all
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 If you play fighting games frequently then yes those rubber dome switches on pad buttons wear out much faster than arcade buttons.
@@rolan5948 Yeah just ordered one because half of the motions on sf5 are not doable for me on pad
These video was ahead of its time
8 years ago...
wow...
Your right about the sound thing since we can react to audio cues faster then visual cues by about 20%
I find it a lot easier doing any motion on the stick. When on a pad, I keep on messing up the movement inputs, but on the stick I'm way more accurate.
You have way more control with your entire hand and multiple fingers than just with two thumbs. This is a major factor that isn't mentioned. Try making a couple of full circles on a d-pad as fast as with a stick, never mind the bigger travel distance.
this shit is older than some of his viewers
I think a big issue is that pad is more accessible in the U.S., especially on the Northeast coast. I had a few options for arcades when I was a kid, but by high school almost all of them were gone or preparing to close down.
What do you do?
A fight stick is wonderful, but you have to be willing to drop the cash on a quality stick. Thus, we end up with pad, get accustomed to it, and then tend to get wrecked.
how bout em KEY BOARDS on Personal COMPIUTERS??? dem non mechanica ones, so missus wont hear
yikes
Oh hello there fellow keyboard user!
man this comment is so funny wtf
basically the same shit as a hitbox
I think one last thing to consider in this argument is the whole corded vs wireless aspect. Wireless has yet to be able to match the response speed of a direct connection so the most precise execution may be harder to accomplish on a pad since the majority of them are wireless/bluetooth. Personally when I play SF4 or mvc3 on pad at home(I don't have an arcade stick yet) I feel like I miss inputs here and there because of the slight delayed response.
Very nice vid. I dont agree 100% with you on some points, but the most important still stands - you have to go for stick if you want to be competitive.
Naughty Juri though sonic plays games that favors pad over stick.
I'm a pad player, i bought a stick after watching alot of professional players but can't get on with it at all, this is entirely because i'm from the UK and have never seen a tekken or sf arcade machine.
I know now that the differences are fairly minor, and stick players are also sometimes suprised at what comes out of pad players, especially in something like mvc.
Both are options, neither are inferior.
im a pad user and i only use the shoulders, meaning L1 for left punch, L2 for Left kick, R1 for Right punch, and R2 for Right kick... I never use the buttons ... i find it very helpful for excecution and speed on tekken .. been playin it since tekken 4 and Im really good at it.. also helps for throws.... so what do you think about shoulder user instead of button users on the pad ?? has anyone using the pad this way ? HOlla back!
Never used a stick and because I never used the buttons on a pad, i look at sticks and be like hell no lol... but yeah .... shoulder use of the pad needs some getting used to, but once the learning curve is over, its crazy fast.. I gotta say tho, its easier to use the shoulders on ps2 than it is on ps3 and 4... .. i could never use the psp console because I cant use it that way .... any comments on that ?
favorite characters are the mishimas, jin and devil jin, law, baek doo san , howarang and lee....with each shoulder representing a separate limb, the excecution is supper fast !!
I can see the merit of this setup, you're dedicating a separate finger to each attack buttons where as the default setup uses only the thumb.
I reckon with practice, it could be as precise as the hitbox, keyboards or stick which essentially does the same thing. Alas I'm too used to the default setup already to try this.
Dexter Sue I understand man... but like u said, it takes practice :-)
L2 and R2 shoulder buttons on ps4 dualshock. is shit
thx for the info, ill be sticking to the pad cuz i am a newbee and im not intending to play on tournaments just have fun, thx man ur videos are very instructionall. im starting tekken 7 and never truly dive fully into a fighting game so the fact that tekken 7 has no tutorial make this videos so so usefuul to me. Continue with the hard work you have my support
Yoshimitsu's 1+4 is unusable. Also Nina has a 1+4 essential bound move, that's difficult on a pad. If not, impossible. Maybe with button buffering. But that's kind of shitty because it limits you.
Play crab style with your right index and middle finger if you're playing on pad, you have access to most of he buttons better.
Shock Starr Yeah but that's why I don't play on pad. Crab style looks ridiculous plus it doesn't improve that much. I still don't hit it 50% of the time. With Arcade I can even do Bryan's taunt easily.
You can hold 1 and then press 4 and the game will count it as pressing them together but thats probably what you meant by button buffering.
aspreedacore Except you need to be holding 1 which will make the kick come out and a good player will punish it if it doesn't hit.
Shin Akuma except you can pres the button during a move where the kick wont come out and it will still count as a buffer while holding it.
i agree with you. pads are better in their own way and so are sticks, the only thing is sticks are widely used in competitive play and are also used by the best. personally, in my history of playing fighting games, i prefer pad. im a Lee player in Tekken and an Ivy player in SC. for me, getting stuff like, b2~ f n with Lee or a consistent iCS with Ivy is relatively easy on pad while using certain methods. some characters need a stick, some do not. preferences
When i play with a pad i do not use my thumb to press the 1,2,3,4 buttons, nor do i have my triggers set up as multi-buttons, Its strange to me that i don't know anyone else that holds the pad like i do, yet the way i do t feels so natural, and allow me to move around the pad pressing multi-buttons easily. i use my forefinger and middle finger to press buttons, with my forefinger hovering over the 1 and 3 button, and my middle finger hovering over the 2 and 4 button. Then with my thumb, ring finger and pinky i grip and secure the pad
***** I don't know anyone that uses a pad and doesn't use index and middle for 1234.
For 1+3 and 2+4 throws you use the underneath of your finger and you push it flat on 1 and 3, and 2 and 4.
I use stick but when I do use a pad, I sit it on my thigh and press the buttons with my index, middle, and ring finger, and if i need all 4 I will use my thumb. but I can only play 4 or less button games like that like soul calibur, KOF, virtua fighter, doa, tekken, blazblue....etc.
This video is still relevant in 2021
I disagree that pad wins on movement. I played pad for 2 years competitively and I can't tell you how many times I'd do inputs that I didn't wanna do. And that's because I'm only using my thumb for every movement input. Stick has a lot more control and precision but requires more effort. Instead of just using your thumb, it's more like drawing with a pencil and having that control. I think control and precision is key here, though, because it enables you to be more consistent, if that makes sense. Pad is advantageous in that it's easier to pick up. But stick is more advantageous in being consistent, precise, and clean.
TH-cam Police I just started playing Tekken 7. Last time I played Tekken was Tekken 3 when I was younger. I played arcade sticks in arcades as a kid so arcade sticks are not foreign to me. With that being said I discovered that unintended pad inputs happen in the heat of battle. Frustrating. Your comment almost has me convinced that sticks could likely be the way to go. I need precision. I need more control. Fighting stick FTW.
Lil majin uses thumb🤫
Wave dashing consistently is hard on pAd
Yo so I know this video is old as fuck and I'm sure people have already mentioned this before, but if you're like me and youtube recommended this to you for some reason and you're deciding whether or not to play on stick, there is something else to consider.
When I picked up Guilty Gear for the first time, I didn't own a stick, just an XBox controller plugged into my PC. I played that and grinded out training mode for many hours at a time and then my hands would get sore from all the DP motions and specific button combinations. So I started taking breaks and over time I'd have to take more and more breaks in smaller sessions. My hands were just getting fucked up from trying to play on pad for longer and more consistent stretches. Weak joints run in my family, so that is definitely a factor with my situation. I figured I was invested enough and wanted to pick up a stick, and I also figured if I could ease up the pressure on my thumbs I wouldn't feel so shitty. After all, your fingers are pretty weak in comparison to your wrists. I picked up my stick and there was an IMMEDIATE difference in my hands. Sure I was fucking up a lot in game because the motions were so foreign to me but my hands were perfectly fine. I could play for 12 hours straight if I ever wanted to and my hands wouldn't get fatigued at all. If you are like me and play for long stretches, seriously consider picking up a stick. Besides, it's a lot more satisfying to combo on arcade parts, I promise.
"Hey Alright" atpCap
@JuJuHasUtube btw this is xbox pad I'm talking about, dualshocks are a lot better for movement but hitting buttons together at once and buffering moves is a lot easier on stick over a dualshock pad.
cool video amigo
lol tell that Krone, and i use him as an example because he can play on both pad and stick, but he sticks with pad. A pad definitely can accomplish everything a stick can. Im a stick advocator myself, but i still know that at the end of the day, it all depends on what you learn the game with, personal preference and all that.
I know he meant it's a comparatively long travel, but it cracked me up when he said "just look at the range of motion your arm has to travel!" Then moved a quarter inch.
Was holding the stick wrong if you ask me.
He didn't say length he said range, he was moving his arm only an inch but it was moving in different ways.
I use pad only too.With my right hand I put my index finger on 1 and my middle finger on 4. My other two fingers are on standby for when I need to do some crazy combination. For my left hand which controls the D-pad, i use the bare edge of my thumb to scrape the arrows for faster movements like SS cancelling. For Tekken at least this is okay because its very linient, allowing you to slide from one arrow to another.
The camera man is stoned
Holy shit I've been trying to nail KBDs for a while now and I had no idea about this thumb-finger technique
thank you for this, aris.
there's also a health issue because if you are the type of player who press hard with your thumb, you'll eventually hurt your thumb if you play on the pad.
Well, am a Keyboard player, I think is much easier playing Tekken with a Keyboard coz u could get the advantage from both of those things... :D
Josep Joe not for the movement
Invert Brid lol movement is a breeze on KB with hitbox layout :/
Yeah for moves like paul's phoenix smasher qcf2 on kb its really easy but on pad sometimes what happens is something like this d df f u2, i mean sticks aren't really that perfect with their use. It's impossible in kb to mistakenly press up during a move like qcf2 but in stick, up might get pressed while doing a qcf2. Another example is mishima electric fist, f d df2 in stick sometimes other direction buttons get pressed but this move can be done accurately on a kb. But why doesn't anyone use kb for playing tekken
ASHISH62 They use PS4 for Tekken, right? Because if so, PS4 doesn't allow keyboard use for a lot of if not all fighting games. That's why I hardly play Street Fighter on console.
There is no advantage using a keyboard, skill gives you advantage not hardware.
Sticks are so damn hard to find, BUT when you find one and can get a feel for it and get good at it you'll never go back to pad, I try to keep a back up stick and a back up for that back up.
Pad Users: It came with the console
Stick Users: ITS MORE SPECIFIED
Me, Keyboard user: . . .
Mixbox/hit box time baybee
I feel there is allot missing from the comparison like a pad will not last as long as a stick sticks were made to last pads die fast. Also madcatz is designing sticks with silent buttons sticks. Madcatz also designed silent parts for people who know how to mos sticks so sound may not be an issue in the future.
I was beingccheap too, then I said scew it. The cheapest, but highly effective is the Madcatz TEs (tournament edition). They the standard several pros won touraments with them and force HORI to step thier game up. Ya should on ebay and get one. moding them and fixing are cheap too. TEs are the standards anything less equal defeat. However, i went all out for HORI fight edge. Lol also use TH-cam to research at a Starbucks and relax (thier prices just went up so McDonald's coffee is good too both has free wifi). lol
My bad I cut my statement. That was for another person being cheap not you check my other comments :(
CMJack Bauer I already have a stick now which is a madcatz fight stick pro. But thank you.
Thats great stick I caught between that one and HORI one. I couldn't the price I saved 25% and free shipping. Lol
CMJack Bauer Hori and madcatz have pretty sturdy sticks with a great price I would recommend one of the two. Pro sako uses hori and he is pretty good.
" So if you want to be the best in the world" wow wow wow Aris, i just want to be half decent at fighting games dude.
I prefer a stick for three reasons.
1: I think it's more fun. Remember that word? Fun.
2: It's universal, if you know how to play on a stick, you can play on a stick on any platform/the arcade. You don't need to adapt to different controls every time.
3: I like to mod and personalize my stuff, obviously it has no effect on gameplay but still.
"this is gonna happend... forever!"
Its called a hitbox pretty much, its not pad but its 4 buttons for direction. Look it up here on youtube.
Hey alright
personally,i prefer the stick,and the reason is, the buttons are bigger so its easier to hit the button that you need to hit. Also,stick is a bit easier to use because of the layout of the buttons.
I don't know, stick just feels A LOT better. Plus pulling out special moves is easier. Shoryukens are a pain in the ass with pads, and try pulling out Akuma in MVC when using Ryu, you'll get it 3/10 times.
Funny I feel the opposite with shoryukens, to this day I still cant do a shoryuken on stick.
aspreedacore there is two ways to do a shoryuken... The move the stick in a Z way or the forward down forward way
John Elizondo
Im aware I still cant do it on stick lol.
Story of the day: Play on Analog. Best of both worlds.
Easier to wave dash with, but also gets you in and out of footsie range.
All you need to do is practice the double-back and double-forward motion and you'll be all set.
Hitboxes... Anyone?
Keyboards...Anyone?
As a person who spent a lot of time in the arcades: I've always hated the feel of a fight stick.
I think also if you play on pad you are taking away valuable opportunities from yourself that are exclusive to an arcade cabinate like playing a location test for ttt2. If you play on pad then you wont be able to play your best and execute the things you want to. All in all if you play on pad and only pad i think its worth learning stick for those opportunities like playing the best or a test for a fighting game.
His voice changed so much lol
not too much
@@poyzeun7587 Yeah, not really
you can just frame on a pad by using shoulder shortcuts than override the input, my 3+4 is binded to R2
so for example yoshi mid mid, is 3, 4 jf, you can do X = 3, than press R2, instantly,
Mainmanswe has a d pad on his fighting stick
i use a pad, and am proud of it. My thumb pressing rapidly on a pad can be as dexterous as an entire hand tapping on a stick. With less distance to cover, and less muscle memory to learn, i think it is a little bit more ergonomic as well. But dont get me wrong, arcade sticks are badass, and i wish i could use one. Each to their own, i guess. great video!