soompi isn't really that reliable either as they had their moments and slip ups of being inaccurate and spreading misinformation. better than allkpoop but still. i recommend theseoulstory or balloon_wanted
But ARMY didn't donate after BTS announced their donation?? If you actually do some basic research, One In An ARMY and other major fan accounts had already shared donation links and made carrds but weren't tracking the donations. When BTS announced their 1M donation, the idea of matching that started floating around and OIAA decided to track it USING THE SAME CARRD. Unless ARMY used a specific option their donation was not counted. After the 1M mark was reached, donations were not counted. A LOT more money was donated both before BTS donated and after the 1M was matched.
I always wanted to take part in some charity projects but never got around to doing it cause I believed a 15yo can't really make a difference till I became an ARMY and saw people my age successfully arranging projects. So I too did one. Its not that donating in BTS' name is the push, its that the faith and support your fandom gives that acts as the push
You're right, I didn't know about the OIAA sharing links before BTS's donation. In total ARMY probably did raise over 1 million. However, I will continue to say that ARMY donated 1 million, not more than that, because we shouldn't speculate on numbers which weren't tracked. As for your second comment, I totally agree! In my video I didn't mean that the donations were *all* in BTS's name, but if that did happen to be a reason why you donated then I think my reasoning still applied. Thanks for your comment, I really appreciated it.
@@axiestan I get that you don't want to speculate but we know for a fact that its more :/ Also I didn't donate but I started a project solely because I could see ARMYs my age making a difference, BTS was not my reason. Like I said, they were not my push and honestly I don't think most people donate because it's BTS but because being an ARMY gives you super easy access to donation links and charity projects.
@Tetsuya Kuroko Tbh I don't think getting inspired to donate because of BTS is a bad reason at all? With all these influencers promoting cheap, unsustainable clothes and and unreasonable ideals and consumerism, isn't it great having faves who open your eyes to social issues and motivates you to take action? @axiestan I can see where you're coming from but I think this is being a bit too nitpicky. Still enjoying hearing your opinion tho!
Indian ARMYs donated millions in an Indian state named Assam, the country were totally flooded and many people were homeless so the Indian ARMYs donated. BTS didn't tell us to do it. I guess,they don't even know about a state called Assam which is located in India
*I pretty much agree with everything except for the donating part...* *we've (ARMYS) been donating to charities (whether that be money or supplies) and donating in the boys names for their bdays and what not for years...* *Hell sometimes we've done it anonymously.. and we've never asked for any recognition.* *Maybe there are some fans that want that attention but most of us are doing it out if the goodness of our hearts, because this is something that we want to do.* *Not just because of BTS.*
And people need to see the whole chronology before assuming everything we do is for our Boys. They inspire us to become better person but what can we do, people just think superficially and just look at the surface.
i agree except for the point about korean fans making up a majority of companies' income, whilst smaller groups who are popular in korea get a large amount of their income from korean fans, groups like loona, ateez and even larger groups like bts and nct probably make a majority of their income from international fans. you have to remember that whenever any of those groups drop an album, it hits number one on itunes everywhere. i think you'd be surprised by how much money kpop companies make off of international fans.
Yes, but ur only talking abt those groups! Plus, they need the KFANS to be the BASE and the BACKBONE of the group, they actually STILL pay the most and are more listened to, wetheras ifans are just the goal for the international market so that they can make Kpop and the group mainstream.
I used twitter for like a week and then deleted it because I noticed my mental health got worse- I was already not in a stable state with my mental health and my family had noticed how Sad and sensitive I was so I just deleted it and I felt a lot better after!
I don’t get what’s wrong with BTS motivating their fandom to donate... Armies wanted to match the donation because we agree with them not because it’s a trend or just because they did it. Armies also started donating the moment the movement started. I agree with most of these but we literally made history when that happened and we are so proud of that.
I think saying the visual role is useless is kinda going against the culture of Korea, which is disrespectful. The visual role is vital in bringing in a Korean audience who is attracted to Korean beauty standards. The domestic, Korean audience is important in Kpop. Even in a group like Blackpink that is highly focused on the western market, they have Jisoo who fits all the Korean beauty standards bc even YG knows that it’s important.
True. Though I can also see why people are against visuals. It insinuates that these chosen ones are only good for looks when there’s so much more to them. Take Tzuyu from Twice for example. She wanted to be a singer and trainee really hard, yet for a long time people only saw her as merely beautiful and didn’t pay mind to her talents. She wants to be recognized for more than that. In addition, beauty is also subjective. Of course, I don’t think any idol in any group is ugly in anyway, but beauty standards are different for everyone. Just because Jisoo and Tzuyu (both koreas visuals) are chosen to be the visuals doesn’t mean everyone finds them beautiful. I think people also just assume that ‘visual’ means that you’re degrading other members as well, cause like I said beauty is different for everyone.
@@lunarialoonatic A beauty standard is not subjective. There are certain traits that a person must have in order to fit into that standard. Yes, some people might not find them attractive, but it is a *fact* that Jisoo and Tzuyu and Irene all fit the Korean beauty standard. That cannot be debated.
@@lunarialoonatic I'm basically saying that the visual role isn't so much of a contest between who's the prettiest, it's an assessment of who has features that fit the Korean beauty standard and who doesn't. That isn't inherently degrading--unless people start to equate fitting the Korean beauty standard to being attractive. But that is beyond the control of the companies that assign the visual role.
Sorry, but isn't Jisoo shorter than the average ideal height in Korean beauty standards which is 160 or 5.5? Enlighten me pls, but if so, then Jisoo does not fit all the standard in kbs. It's kinda ironic how you're emphasizing on visual role and korean beauty standard as being that important then proceeds to misinform about the standard itself.
Ario Zedaph Irene is also shorter then the height requirements but most still consider her as the most visual appealing. She is the most requested person to look like in plastic surgery in Korea.
Doesn't that mean international fans are the bottom of the kpop fandom hierarchy? I mean,we are their source of popularity INTERNATIONALLY but we don't ensure the success for the Kpop artists.It's the Korean public that helps them reach that milestone,not us. It's sad,but its's true.😢
@Pragya Bhushan I-Fans will still be left in the dust not unless you're as successful as BTS, BP, Twice, I could say ATEEZ, and Loona too since I-fans are their source of money. But Korean audience can make a group known and will be invited to variety shows, etc giving them chance of lasting into business longer because I-fans will come and go. That's just it is.
@@blessmeachoo3639 Exactly! And they bring more money as well! Just becuz they wanna enter the international MARKET doesn't mean they necessarily CARE FULLY abt the international until they have taken over and made a name on the Korean market (Just like Bts, Bp, Twice etc as u stated) and/OR that most of the fans actually ARE 75% international fans and THAT'S where they get their support and money from (Groups like Loona and even DC)!
Exactly. And some international fans actually think that they're at the top and most important and most listened to when it's the opposite. Ofc the international MARKET is important, but the international FANS are at the bottom.
Exactly! JYP knows that Stray Kids has a ton of international fans since tow of their members are from Australia and the others speak English either fluently or pretty damn well. I wish I didn't have to wait a week for English subs. He has the money and the resources to get them out, he just doesn't. It's a horrible marketing strategy because if I click on a video that doesn't have english subs then it's gonna stop popping up on my recommended feed and I'll just forget about it, in turn not giving JYP money.
1) Agree kpop is a phase and when the phase goes by then internationally popular groups will be left in the dust 2) Agree I actually deleted Twitter because of the toxicity on there. But the fact that they raised money is what matters, not why they did it. And I’m not gonna start on cultural appropriation because my opinions on it can be considered “extreme” and “offensive” and I’m not in the mood for being accused of being racist when I’m not lmao 3) Disagree because there really are underrated groups out there such as 3ye and Dreamcatcher 4) Agree visuals are a huge thing in Korea and we need to respect that 5) Agree I never go on these websites because they suck and they often target certain idols such as Jennie and Lia 6) Agree I don’t like Kaachi but people held them to such high standards and they didn’t deserve the hate and death threats they received
3YE just debuted and I think that they're getting quite big in South-Korea,I've been stanning since their debut and you can see the potential.There are also less members than the average K-Pop GG so there are benefits.
I disagree, I Dreamcatcher and 3YE aren’t that underrated, I heard about dreamcatcher and started stanning them before they became much more popular this year and as soon as 3YE debuted I saw videos about them a floating around in many places and I’m seeing even more now.
I actually RLLY agree with ur ACTUAL unpopular opinions, ESPECIALLY the Kaachi and the Visual one, people rlly need to wake up and realize the reality of what catches the eye of people for Kpop, which u explained more in the video, and I also felt SOO BAD for Kaachi cuz there are hate comments abt them (NOT constructive criticism, but ACTUAL hate) that have thousands of likes and replies agreeing and hating MORE on Kaachi! And another things is, I would've never even CHECKED or even KNOWN of KAACHI if it weren't for the hate surrounding them and the malicious rumours! I actually think the underated groups opinion is starting to become popular and people RLLY undermine the MEANING of underrated! Like, a LOT of Moomoos ACTUALLY call Mamamoo UNDERRATED! That is SOO STUPID!!! Not getting the recognition the deserve ISN'T the same thing as being underrated! And they DEFINITELY aren't underrated in korea, but moreso on the international side. Plus, they ARE getting the recognition they deserve! And for the 1st one, I RLLY agree on that cuz half of the international fans seem to think of how important they are and how much they matter when that isn't the case! Yes, ofc Kpop is tryna get into the western market but that doesn't mean they're actually going to LISTEN or DO what the international fans want them to, only KFANS can do it cuz they can actually have more importance, WAYYY more importance than usz it's the truth!
Wow. You really opened my eyes with these opinions and made me look at myself. I really agree with everything you said. Thank you for this. I’ll try to be more aware of things like this.
I agree that just because someone's favorites aren't as popular as BTS or Blackpink doesn't mean that they're underrated. I'm a Myday and Day6 are my ults, but people always say that they're underrated. They aren't underrated especially when they're from one of the big three. They have a good amount of fans but most of them are international fans. I wouldn't call them underappreciated either, Day6's fanbase is very appreciative of their music, LIKE THEY'RE SONGS ARE SO GOOD I NEVER GET TIRED OF THEM I EVEN CRY SOMETIMES- I DON'T EVEN LISTEN TO HEAVY ROCK BUT STOP AND WARNING WERE SO FRICKEN GOOD, AND EMERGENCY WAS A WHOLE BOP. YOU WERE BEAUTIFUL IS LITERALLY OUR ANTHEM
I mean, Kpop is a Industry not a new music genre...the whole hate towards Kaachi started because they wanted to call themselves "a kpop girl group" when they are not even part of a Korean Company or have special training as other idols have.
ARMYs have been donating towards charity for years before the Black Lives Matter donation. We have fanbases that pick charities for important events like member's birthdays where we raise money together. BTS have been donating to different charities ever since they were a small group and are in general very charitable people, which has definitely rubbed off on the fandom. We're not donating a million dollars to charity to make ourselves look good. We do it because we want to help people and causes we believe in and because BTS inspires is to get together and make a change.
Or not getting the recognition they deserve (And some people STILL think that but I think they're talking abt BTS and Bp lvl fame, ESPECIALLY the international one but it isn't necessary)
Instead of waiting for English fans to be the groups main income then put out English Subs, why not have the subs there so whoever is scrolling through might click and they will understand. If there are English Subs they it doesn't matter who, they might click on the video and who knows even stan the group. I personally don't care, I'll watch with or without subs but of course I enjoy the subs. I think you as well as many other people misunderstood the whole ARMY donating one mill to #blm a day after BTS. ARMY'S have been donating their monies individually or in smaller groups since the starting of #blm. The only difference is now, we pooled together all our money and donated 1 mil in total when BTS did their contribution. So we donated that 1m but it wasn't the first and only time we donated.
You shouldn't say things like "army's raised money only because their group did it" because first of all, not all the fandom donated, second of all not all the fandom is able to donate in normal circumstances and third of all, who told you that the army's who donated didn't actually donate before and after ? I've heard multiple army's have been donating since the movement has started and when BTS participated, that's when it peaked very hight and motivated a few more army's to donate that's it. And I'm sure if BTS didn't donate, they would still have donated but let's not forget that BTS are influencers, so maybe some army's didn't know who to trust entirely to donate their money for and so when they saw BTS donating, they trusted them and donated as well. That's all
I totally agree! I don't understand why we're getting criticized for donating 1M dollars in support of BLM, we definitely didn't have bad intentions when donating, why are people still mad at us?
i have been talking about the 1st opinion for months like i stan sf9 but i am tired of people calling them flops when they actually have a stable korean fanbase
But SF9 most fans are also from East Asia and South East Asia region plus many from Middle East region too. It is just those edgy bg stans with lots of American and western fans that call SF9 flop because SF9 is not big in the west yet. It is ridiculous but makes me laugh because of SF9 want, they can be popular in the west too but that is way too cringy and cliche so nope. Lol
Although i agree with almost all your opinions, i had to pause and disagree with the blm donations opinion. personally i feel its good to look up to your fav artists who will open your eyes on so many issues. back in 2017 when i wasnt much into kpop and didnt know whom to actually stan, i never cared abt donations, i thought i wouldnt be able to afford etc, but when i saw the people in my fandom and the artists i love donate so much on a regular basis, it kind of got the motivation in me to spark up, i wanted to donate, i wanted to do something good for the people not because my artists had done that but because they opened my eyes on those issues.
"visuals does matter" is true, we're all vain because let be honest the term "first impression is everything" applies to this. Especially since the korean audience is very tough as they take first impression very seriously, music can be later but appearances are what determines the following they will have in the first few years! That's why now companies are handpicking good looking members to make a group. It doesnt matter if its the visual or not, all of the member have to be good looking in a way. It also doesnt matter if you think a group has great discographies but gets low vies or less fans, if they arent of the standard beauty then sorry to say they wont be popular or they'll have it rough for a few comebacks/years
@@teddybuddy45 ??? mamamoo is great idk why are you commenting like that, im just saying visuals play a much more larger role when it comes to popularity since k-netizens heavily rely on visuals.
@@amiramilky6903 Well I mean u told that those who have beauty they are very popular and those who don't are not popular. But mamamoo shows talent over beauty and still they are quite popular which contradicts your statement.
Bruh. I know this is an unpopular opinion video, so it's meant to be unpopular. But while I found myself disagreeing on most things, I still respected it. Like, for example, the MatchAMillion project. I think that a fandom using the love they feel for an artist to do good things is good. We shouldn't always do charity out of pity, sometimes it should bloom out of happiness (then it would also be more common). I mean, ARMYs always do charity projects on the member's birthdays and on other events. If BTS has donated a million, isn't it a good opportunity for the fandom to move together and use that common inspiration to do the same? We need a motor that fuels us to move together if u know what I mean. Plus, ARMYs have done SOOOOOO many charity projects and try to mind our business, yet where have we gotten recognition until now? We have never gotten any recognition or reputation out of it, yet we still did it. How is that to 'make us look better'? Like, everyone says we're toxic anyways. Still, I could respect ur opinion, because I could understand the premise of it. But with the visual one, I first of all disagree, and on the other hand, you made a premise with a wrong point. 'Visuals are the point of K-Pop' Not really imo. Yes, the eye-candy aspect is important (lie background, concept, makeup, clothes etc), but that doesn't need to aply to Idol's faces. Plus, what got me into K-Pop was the choreos and songs aspect of it, the fan-artist connection and how the songs are distributeed and formulated. Beauty standrads are a big pressure, and as far as I know it's pretty bad in Korea. Choosing face over talent? just perpetuates that. Like, there's actual work discrimination in Korea because of beauty standrads. That does not happen where I live, but I suppose that if we had an Industry with people of my race who all look like sculptures, the standrad of how I'm supposed to look, would rise. We do need to normalize less conventional faces, which can absolutely happen. 2ne1 used to be considered ugly (I consider them gorgeous, but without 'perfect' doll faces, which is easier to relate to, doesn't mean they're ugly at all), and look at how popular they were. I don't wanna namedrop but there's plenty of Idols who I at first might have thought of as ugly (less goodlooking than the average person), but now I think they look gorgeous bc of their talents, their charisma, their charm or just bc when u get richer it's easier to look better lol. + i do NOT judge a group by their faces when i see them lmao. I just see people and then watch the concept+work. Your whole premise is based on your superficiality and then u call everyone dumb and wrong if they don't think like that? i mean, u can think whatever u want, but I'm out as soon as you ask for respect and proceed call everyone who disagrees dumb lmao. Anyways I'm out, BYE have fun judging groups by their faces ig. If u think visuals are important, u're dumb.
Damn you came off as insightful & friendly, made a pretty good point, then got heated towards the end which was kinda off-putting 😅 I thought her perspective was heavily inspired by and rooted in the Korean mindset. She seems to look at it from a Korean person's point of view but it's still too much. A person's outer look shouldn't determine their job qualification unless it's smth that actually requires it (still toxic but what to do? We can't change a whole societal view overnight). On second thought, people (including myself) generally tend to want to be served by decent-looking people, basically just someone *polite, well-groomed and effecient* . I feel like that should be the standard if it must. Genetic stuff shouldn't be our business. Since it can't be helped 🤷🏻♀️ Anyway, I like to look at things from different points of view so thx for sharing ya take on it 👐🏻
I definitely agree with you on the point were u said international fans demand for subtitles when Kpop is made for mainly Korean audience. I am not born in Korea and am a international fan but it rlly annoys me when international fans are watching Korean videos of their favs Korean idols and then demand subtitles on the comments section. I'm srry but the world doesn't evolve around u, are you forgetting the K in Kpop? I understand if you want to understand the video but that's not the way to go about it... if you rlly are a hardcore fan and so desperately want to understand the video just learn Korean! 🤷
tbh, Armies didn't just donate to blm in order to make their fandom look good, i think it was more that BTS inspired them to do something that could help change their society for the better. BTS' donation was a catalyst that pushed Armies to act on an already existing feeling towards a certain movement. Same with how Reveluvs were inspired by red velvet to do more about clean air. These artists all have a significant amount of influence, and being influenced by them to do something doesn't necessarily mean that the only reason you did that thing was because you were doing it in the name of your group or to make your fandom look good. A lot of those people had already donated previously or were looking to donate and this gave them a chance to act with the collective they already consider themselves to be part of. I think they did it as Army not to showcase that they want to make their fandom look good, but to show that BTS inspired them to do something positive and powerful, it doesn't mean that they only donated because BTS donated or that they didn't care about the movement otherwise. I hope you understand what I'm trying to convey here! I understand where you're coming from btw, this is just my view on it! edit: i have no doubt that there were some armies who donated with gross and questionable motives, along with any scenario where a fandom acts upon some form of social justice following an idol or group's actions, words, or donation, but my statement is in regards to what I assume to be the consensus and ideals/motives of the general populous. It doesn't just refer to Army donating to blm either, but in any similar scenarios regarding kpop and social justice.
But we can't blame the whole fandom as an attention seeking or so that we created such image, just because some obsessed idiots do with that motive. I am tired of people saying Army do everything BTS does. Like for god sake, find full information and then come at us.
About Kaachi their only problem really was them claiming the "kpop group" title, cuz their technical skills were pretty average. I agree that they wouldn't have gotten the popularity they have now if people weren't so focused on hating the girls
I'd kind of have to disagree with the visual one, I just don't understand why the visual position is a thing since as you said visuals are important part in kpop. Every member in some kpop groups are attractive in some degree so having a visual position to me is just useless. idk
Kpop is basically visuals and talent. Visuals make the audience appeal to the group and its been a trend before it hit international market. You cant just say visuals are useless. Thats just direspectful.
I think most of the hate Kaachi gets aren't actually because they want to become a kpop group, I think it's because they were being rude to Jennie and calling her lazy and calling themselves as the Hwasa of Kaachi or even shipping themselves to BTS members. I'm not really sure but that's how I found out about Kaachi because of those reason, well we don't use the same social media flatform so I'm guessing we may have found out about Kaachi in a different way. I'm not hating on the girls cuz I honestly couldn't care less about them cuz I mean what am I gonna do about them? Hating them doesn't make much of a difference other than your affecting their mental health, I just feel like I should point it out.
Kpop Twitter is toxic, but at least they ACTUALLY used fancams to disarm hate. No, using it in a way of “if they stanned *insert group* they would still be alive” it’s distasteful and sooooo ugly, but in the case of disarming hate, give Kpop Twit some slack. This time they used it to shut down racists, and I’m proud of them. But they still can be pretty toxic.
I am late, but i am gonna say this, i think international fans generalise all koreans in one sentence and personally i hate that, not all koreans are racist, even yesterday when the news of lucas cigarette broke out, people just went like oh why koreans are bashing him why koreans have so much standards and there was not even a single korean citizen bashing him 🤦🏻🤦🏻
1. True. international fans only jumped on a wave of world domination just because they saw armys wanting to get bts bbma award. Western hegemony is also to be blamed here. K-pop stans bashed armys for aiming for global popularity while forgetting how many of them bragged about their idols meeting western pop artists 😕 2. Agreed, it's the fans and the music which their popularity depends on. There are real underrated k-pop artists who we couldn't find even hear about, because they struggle to even perform on music shows for exposure. 3. I still disagree with this point, 4th gen is focusing on the train ride *cough* itzy of loving themselves, they're like leading there, so i don't think visual will lead k-pop forever like this. However i wouldn't say that companies do want good looking idols, just like any other company in other businesses. 4. These news websites are a pain in the ass, not only that, but koreaboo gives antis a chance to post anything against any group they want. Anyone can become a koreaboo writer lmao. 5. Even nugus are better than them, but k-pop fans give them way too much attention for them to claim in the same breath that they don't like them.
I also stopped going to Koreaboo cause they always made fluff articles, usually about BTS, cause they know it'll guarantee clicks. they'll post random shit like "top 10 ways BTS showed why they prefer cereal over bacon and eggs!"....like who cares?
I'm agree with all of your opinions. But your opinion about donating, I'm disagree. I understand, kpop shouldn't be the reason for helping a community, but at least their donation can helped many people too. Although their main reason is for their fav kpop idol, we still have to thank these kinds of people😊
I disagree with the kaachi one. people aren't comparing them to those big 3 high standards, they're just asking for a little bit of consideration and maybe vocal training. if they wanted to be a kpop group in the first place then it should've crossed their minds that obviously they should've faced the consequences of this fucked up society standards. especially netizens and kpop fans in general's ones. and they too did cultural appropriation many many times, there have been many controversial things about them that I won't be talking about, but you as a kpop fan first before a pseudo-idol should've expected such hate, in the first place if you call yourself a kpop group. that's all I have to say, I don't hate on kaachi or anything, but it's not about the comparing to the big 3. take for example BOTOPASS, they're a really talented group but they're still underrated and I would be surprised if someone knew them. you said to try and compare kaachi to actually underrated groups but honey, kaachi compared to botopass or lunarsolar or even ShaFLA cannot even compare. I'm sorry but that's just the truth for me. same with Secret Number (I know they have nothing to do with all of this but I felt like I had to add them) they had to vocally train a little bit more, the rap saved Who Dis? but I don't think anything could save kaachi at this point. that's just in my whole opinion. but I agree with everything else
Tbh I always thought a visual isn't the prettiest member, but more like a really recognizable/characteristic person, so like for example: Somyi (of DIA), you see Somyi and are like "Oh! I know her she's from DIA" (atleast I hope everyone knows who Somyi is, she's really pretty)
I disagree soooo bad on that visual one......having a visual is just saying that that certain member has a better posture than others ...hope this gets recognition
Fun fact About international popularity: most companies don't really want them to have too many activities or fans abroad because idols take the highest percentage of profits from abroad.
1. It just depends on what they want to aim for. If they want to focus in Korea, then so be it. If they want a wider audience, then great too. You’re also not a flop if you focus in Korea. 2. It’s simply entertaining. Like twitter is entertaining, but I’ve closed and left because it’s quite toxic. Just go on it if you can handle it, it’s your own choice. 3. It also depends. But if they have show wins and fandoms. Don’t compare your group to Blackpink or BTS, that’s inaccurate. Even Dreamcatcher isn’t even underrated. They’re getting attention. 4. It contributes to the group, and is necessary. But obviously I would still listen to music from not an outstanding looking person. But the position itself is unnecessary. 5
you can look at the BLM donation like that, but that's so pessimistic and undermining such a good act...I respect you but that's so wrong? BLM was an issue based in america and the rest of the world may have been aware about what was happening but signing petitions was all they could do BTS and ARMY organised a platform that encouraged non-americans to contribute as well and you undermining it just felt wrong honestly I don't know what ya'll want BTS to do now, if they use their platform positively and their fandom acting on, it's a problem but if no one does anything that is a problem too
I rly disagree about visuals. Although you're right that theyre important in Kpop, I think Kpop should move past the need to have every idol look like a porcelain doll. It's kind of creepy to me that in a music genre, which is about sound, looks are prioritized. This is a good video tho
On a side note, I think sonamoo is underrated mainly because they disbanded after 4 albums and that no a lot of kpop stand know about this particular group
tbh i think having a designated member as the visual is what is kinda dumb. like obviously you cannot deny that visuals are important to kpop, but find me an ugly idol. you can't. they're all gorgeous and like having a designated visual member just doesn't make sense to me. i guess what the role of a visual is trying to convey is that they're the face of the group and the member that will be doing the most cfs and stuff. and i know some groups have "face of the group" as a role, but i really think that is what we should be calling the visual members instead of visuals. and tbh i still thinking calling someone *A* visual is demeaning. i don't care that it's what the industry does. instead we should be saying that they *have* nice visuals or whatever. but no one is just a pretty thing to look at. but that's really just a linguistic pet peeve of mine though.
The caption on the video tho... My ultimate fav group is ACE. and their visuals is NO JOKE and their skills is MAMMA MIA but people still call them underated.
5:53 I'm gonna respectfully disagree, I get where the opinion comes from but when you said "If they didn't want to be recognized for how they look, then they wouldn't have become an idol" that didn't really make sense to me because why would you become a singer or rapper just to show off your looks? Like if that was they case then they should've became a model, like it just feels like it would be frustrating to put in all this work and energy to improve and show off your talents and have everyone care about how you look more then what you can do. That's just my opinion on it, no hate, have a nice day.
I think V is getting a lot of attention for his looks though his my bias he has the least ability’s compared to other members and in Dynamite people dint even notice Hobi he looked so good I bet if Taehyung looked like how he looked before his debut he’d been the least popular member no matter what people say Hobi owned dynamite era
I don't even have twitter but from what i've seen people complain about, Stan Twitter really is annoying. maybe twitter in general {and i'm an army} also the website one YES. they also plagiarize content too
Rowan Delevingne I wouldn’t say Korean beauty standards are “wrong” you cant call beauty standards wrong it’s doesn’t make any since. These standards are preference. It’s standards that Koreans and East Asians prefer but of course it doesn’t determine actual beauty because I have seen many idols who so call do not fit the standards well and I find them extremely stunning. I also usually don’t find visuals the most beautiful in most groups I have seen, and just like you and I find Irene average looking, but the point is beauty is very subjective and to many other people Irene is insanely beautiful, so idols who do fit the standards are very good looking to some people while to others they are not, because everybody has different preferences when it comes to beauty I don’t know why I wrote all of that, but you get what i mean
Sorry for the late reply. But you're right. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Because a lot of that 1 million dollars came from fans outside USA. Those people weren't that aware of blm or even if they were, they had no idea where to donate. OIAA allowed them a more accessible method to donate. Moreover a lot of fans were donating even before the match a million thing. And a lot of fans donated after too. It's just that those donations weren't tracked. And doing it under the name of bts created this feeling of solidarity among the fandom. It's unfair to reduce this to doing it for a good name because nobody can say that for sure unless you can read the minds of people who donated.
One in an Army has been around since 2018 and has been organizing donations to so many different things. Not to mention we don't wait for them to organize but take initiative to do the right thing. I couldn't donate because I wasn't getting paid and before BTS made their donation I was seeing all the OIAA post and feeling bad so I started watching all the content that collected money from ads and made my contributions there. ARMY aren't the devil you want us to be. There are millions of great and proactive fans who follow BTS.
but abt the subs tho, how about BTS? they sr epopular all around tthe world and still their vids dont have englih subtitles, thats what we all have been needing for a long time, just english subtitles, well obv koreans dont need subtitles bc they can understand korean themseleves, welp. i guess we have to learn korean to understand vids as well lol jk, i actually understand your first opinion, like even tho grps arent popular internationally, they are still known in korea itself so im not complaining
I disagree with the international fan opinion. Both Korean and international fans are important and should get things like subtitles. Also, they make so much money off of international fans. Think about concerts/world tours. Plus, think about how much shipping we pay for when buying merch. It's all going into their pockets. I also don't like the BLM opinion about armys. Living in the U.S, I have seen the destruction racism has caused. Army's did a great thing not because BTS did it, but because we were inspired.
ARMYs didn’t donates just because BTS did we were the most active on twitter about spreading donation links asking each other and supporting black community our fandom is full of black ARMYs that makes no sense you won’t know how much ARMYs donated before BTS did because it wasn’t counted by anyone but after BTS it was counted by fans to make sure that we can match and we reached 2M also ARMYs were the most active fandom to ask BTS to speak up about it when other fandoms were only talking sht about BTS and forgetting their faves did nothing.
Do you know anything regarding the donations made by army?? we have been involved in countless donation projects all around the world without having to wait for BTS to do something first!! If you're going to talk about a topic, at least do your research first. But you're always trying to run down anything regarding BTS and ARMY anyway..what can we expect?
soompi isn't really that reliable either as they had their moments and slip ups of being inaccurate and spreading misinformation. better than allkpoop but still. i recommend theseoulstory or balloon_wanted
good point; I'll pin your comment so everyone is aware. thanks for the recommendations!
"STOP SLEEPING ON THIS GROUP!"
a group with multiple show wins and can clear 100k+ sales when most other groups can't even do 20k. lulz.
But ARMY didn't donate after BTS announced their donation?? If you actually do some basic research, One In An ARMY and other major fan accounts had already shared donation links and made carrds but weren't tracking the donations. When BTS announced their 1M donation, the idea of matching that started floating around and OIAA decided to track it USING THE SAME CARRD. Unless ARMY used a specific option their donation was not counted. After the 1M mark was reached, donations were not counted. A LOT more money was donated both before BTS donated and after the 1M was matched.
I always wanted to take part in some charity projects but never got around to doing it cause I believed a 15yo can't really make a difference till I became an ARMY and saw people my age successfully arranging projects. So I too did one. Its not that donating in BTS' name is the push, its that the faith and support your fandom gives that acts as the push
You're right, I didn't know about the OIAA sharing links before BTS's donation. In total ARMY probably did raise over 1 million. However, I will continue to say that ARMY donated 1 million, not more than that, because we shouldn't speculate on numbers which weren't tracked. As for your second comment, I totally agree! In my video I didn't mean that the donations were *all* in BTS's name, but if that did happen to be a reason why you donated then I think my reasoning still applied. Thanks for your comment, I really appreciated it.
@@axiestan I get that you don't want to speculate but we know for a fact that its more :/ Also I didn't donate but I started a project solely because I could see ARMYs my age making a difference, BTS was not my reason. Like I said, they were not my push and honestly I don't think most people donate because it's BTS but because being an ARMY gives you super easy access to donation links and charity projects.
@@axiestan army always donate money ?!even when bts are not involved in that we donated about 45%of 1m before bts announcement
@Tetsuya Kuroko Tbh I don't think getting inspired to donate because of BTS is a bad reason at all? With all these influencers promoting cheap, unsustainable clothes and and unreasonable ideals and consumerism, isn't it great having faves who open your eyes to social issues and motivates you to take action? @axiestan I can see where you're coming from but I think this is being a bit too nitpicky. Still enjoying hearing your opinion tho!
I disagree with the BLM donation. Army’s were already donating even before BTS donated that 1M.
Indian ARMYs donated millions in an Indian state named Assam, the country were totally flooded and many people were homeless so the Indian ARMYs donated. BTS didn't tell us to do it. I guess,they don't even know about a state called Assam which is located in India
period, exactly
It’s more like they were inspired to donate rather than “BTS told them to donate so they did”
i agree with everything and low-key kaachi improved their dancing skills like no joke
*I pretty much agree with everything except for the donating part...* *we've (ARMYS) been donating to charities (whether that be money or supplies) and donating in the boys names for their bdays and what not for years...* *Hell sometimes we've done it anonymously.. and we've never asked for any recognition.* *Maybe there are some fans that want that attention but most of us are doing it out if the goodness of our hearts, because this is something that we want to do.* *Not just because of BTS.*
And people need to see the whole chronology before assuming everything we do is for our Boys. They inspire us to become better person but what can we do, people just think superficially and just look at the surface.
i agree except for the point about korean fans making up a majority of companies' income, whilst smaller groups who are popular in korea get a large amount of their income from korean fans, groups like loona, ateez and even larger groups like bts and nct probably make a majority of their income from international fans. you have to remember that whenever any of those groups drop an album, it hits number one on itunes everywhere. i think you'd be surprised by how much money kpop companies make off of international fans.
@@roseberrry5420 Exactly! So that's one of the reasons why I agree with axiestan's opinion.
Yes, but ur only talking abt those groups! Plus, they need the KFANS to be the BASE and the BACKBONE of the group, they actually STILL pay the most and are more listened to, wetheras ifans are just the goal for the international market so that they can make Kpop and the group mainstream.
How to be less toxic if your toxic:
*delete Twitter*
No joke I used Twitter for 2 months and felt myself becoming a tyrant and I haven’t been back since
I used twitter for like a week and then deleted it because I noticed my mental health got worse- I was already not in a stable state with my mental health and my family had noticed how Sad and sensitive I was so I just deleted it and I felt a lot better after!
@@LexxLafever damn i feel you
* Laughs in no twitter*
@@hedwigsrevenge824 same gurl/boi. I used to but after i install it for a day i quickly delete it 🤠
I don’t get what’s wrong with BTS motivating their fandom to donate... Armies wanted to match the donation because we agree with them not because it’s a trend or just because they did it. Armies also started donating the moment the movement started. I agree with most of these but we literally made history when that happened and we are so proud of that.
I agree 100%
I think saying the visual role is useless is kinda going against the culture of Korea, which is disrespectful. The visual role is vital in bringing in a Korean audience who is attracted to Korean beauty standards. The domestic, Korean audience is important in Kpop. Even in a group like Blackpink that is highly focused on the western market, they have Jisoo who fits all the Korean beauty standards bc even YG knows that it’s important.
True. Though I can also see why people are against visuals. It insinuates that these chosen ones are only good for looks when there’s so much more to them. Take Tzuyu from Twice for example. She wanted to be a singer and trainee really hard, yet for a long time people only saw her as merely beautiful and didn’t pay mind to her talents. She wants to be recognized for more than that. In addition, beauty is also subjective. Of course, I don’t think any idol in any group is ugly in anyway, but beauty standards are different for everyone. Just because Jisoo and Tzuyu (both koreas visuals) are chosen to be the visuals doesn’t mean everyone finds them beautiful. I think people also just assume that ‘visual’ means that you’re degrading other members as well, cause like I said beauty is different for everyone.
@@lunarialoonatic A beauty standard is not subjective. There are certain traits that a person must have in order to fit into that standard. Yes, some people might not find them attractive, but it is a *fact* that Jisoo and Tzuyu and Irene all fit the Korean beauty standard. That cannot be debated.
@@lunarialoonatic I'm basically saying that the visual role isn't so much of a contest between who's the prettiest, it's an assessment of who has features that fit the Korean beauty standard and who doesn't. That isn't inherently degrading--unless people start to equate fitting the Korean beauty standard to being attractive. But that is beyond the control of the companies that assign the visual role.
Sorry, but isn't Jisoo shorter than the average ideal height in Korean beauty standards which is 160 or 5.5? Enlighten me pls, but if so, then Jisoo does not fit all the standard in kbs. It's kinda ironic how you're emphasizing on visual role and korean beauty standard as being that important then proceeds to misinform about the standard itself.
Ario Zedaph Irene is also shorter then the height requirements but most still consider her as the most visual appealing. She is the most requested person to look like in plastic surgery in Korea.
Doesn't that mean international fans are the bottom of the kpop fandom hierarchy?
I mean,we are their source of popularity INTERNATIONALLY but we don't ensure the success for the Kpop artists.It's the Korean public that helps them reach that milestone,not us.
It's sad,but its's true.😢
@Pragya Bhushan I-Fans will still be left in the dust not unless you're as successful as BTS, BP, Twice, I could say ATEEZ, and Loona too since I-fans are their source of money. But Korean audience can make a group known and will be invited to variety shows, etc giving them chance of lasting into business longer because I-fans will come and go. That's just it is.
@@blessmeachoo3639 Exactly! And they bring more money as well! Just becuz they wanna enter the international MARKET doesn't mean they necessarily CARE FULLY abt the international until they have taken over and made a name on the Korean market (Just like Bts, Bp, Twice etc as u stated) and/OR that most of the fans actually ARE 75% international fans and THAT'S where they get their support and money from (Groups like Loona and even DC)!
Exactly. And some international fans actually think that they're at the top and most important and most listened to when it's the opposite. Ofc the international MARKET is important, but the international FANS are at the bottom.
Agree with all of these but ngl I’d appreciate it if a big 3 company like JYP could put English subs on some of their vids within a day
Exactly! JYP knows that Stray Kids has a ton of international fans since tow of their members are from Australia and the others speak English either fluently or pretty damn well. I wish I didn't have to wait a week for English subs. He has the money and the resources to get them out, he just doesn't.
It's a horrible marketing strategy because if I click on a video that doesn't have english subs then it's gonna stop popping up on my recommended feed and I'll just forget about it, in turn not giving JYP money.
Lol what? Army were already donating and we simply decided to go to 1m dollars after seeing the amount they putted out
1) Agree kpop is a phase and when the phase goes by then internationally popular groups will be left in the dust
2) Agree I actually deleted Twitter because of the toxicity on there. But the fact that they raised money is what matters, not why they did it. And I’m not gonna start on cultural appropriation because my opinions on it can be considered “extreme” and “offensive” and I’m not in the mood for being accused of being racist when I’m not lmao
3) Disagree because there really are underrated groups out there such as 3ye and Dreamcatcher
4) Agree visuals are a huge thing in Korea and we need to respect that
5) Agree I never go on these websites because they suck and they often target certain idols such as Jennie and Lia
6) Agree I don’t like Kaachi but people held them to such high standards and they didn’t deserve the hate and death threats they received
thanks for your thoughts!
3YE just debuted and I think that they're getting quite big in South-Korea,I've been stanning since their debut and you can see the potential.There are also less members than the average K-Pop GG so there are benefits.
dream catcher are not underrated?
@@Kiki-lk9kh don't think so,people know them I guess,maybe it's just they didn't get a first win yet or whatever.Most people know them.
I disagree, I Dreamcatcher and 3YE aren’t that underrated, I heard about dreamcatcher and started stanning them before they became much more popular this year and as soon as 3YE debuted I saw videos about them a floating around in many places and I’m seeing even more now.
Please make a part 2! Your opinions are really interesting
thanks! I'm working on a part 2 currently
I actually RLLY agree with ur ACTUAL unpopular opinions, ESPECIALLY the Kaachi and the Visual one, people rlly need to wake up and realize the reality of what catches the eye of people for Kpop, which u explained more in the video, and I also felt SOO BAD for Kaachi cuz there are hate comments abt them (NOT constructive criticism, but ACTUAL hate) that have thousands of likes and replies agreeing and hating MORE on Kaachi! And another things is, I would've never even CHECKED or even KNOWN of KAACHI if it weren't for the hate surrounding them and the malicious rumours!
I actually think the underated groups opinion is starting to become popular and people RLLY undermine the MEANING of underrated! Like, a LOT of Moomoos ACTUALLY call Mamamoo UNDERRATED! That is SOO STUPID!!! Not getting the recognition the deserve ISN'T the same thing as being underrated! And they DEFINITELY aren't underrated in korea, but moreso on the international side. Plus, they ARE getting the recognition they deserve!
And for the 1st one, I RLLY agree on that cuz half of the international fans seem to think of how important they are and how much they matter when that isn't the case! Yes, ofc Kpop is tryna get into the western market but that doesn't mean they're actually going to LISTEN or DO what the international fans want them to, only KFANS can do it cuz they can actually have more importance, WAYYY more importance than usz it's the truth!
Wow. You really opened my eyes with these opinions and made me look at myself. I really agree with everything you said. Thank you for this. I’ll try to be more aware of things like this.
I agree that just because someone's favorites aren't as popular as BTS or Blackpink doesn't mean that they're underrated. I'm a Myday and Day6 are my ults, but people always say that they're underrated. They aren't underrated especially when they're from one of the big three. They have a good amount of fans but most of them are international fans. I wouldn't call them underappreciated either, Day6's fanbase is very appreciative of their music, LIKE THEY'RE SONGS ARE SO GOOD I NEVER GET TIRED OF THEM I EVEN CRY SOMETIMES- I DON'T EVEN LISTEN TO HEAVY ROCK BUT STOP AND WARNING WERE SO FRICKEN GOOD, AND EMERGENCY WAS A WHOLE BOP. YOU WERE BEAUTIFUL IS LITERALLY OUR ANTHEM
I mean, Kpop is a Industry not a new music genre...the whole hate towards Kaachi started because they wanted to call themselves "a kpop girl group" when they are not even part of a Korean Company or have special training as other idols have.
ARMYs have been donating towards charity for years before the Black Lives Matter donation. We have fanbases that pick charities for important events like member's birthdays where we raise money together. BTS have been donating to different charities ever since they were a small group and are in general very charitable people, which has definitely rubbed off on the fandom. We're not donating a million dollars to charity to make ourselves look good. We do it because we want to help people and causes we believe in and because BTS inspires is to get together and make a change.
In my opinion I think instead people of using “underrated” they should use “overlooked”
Or not getting the recognition they deserve (And some people STILL think that but I think they're talking abt BTS and Bp lvl fame, ESPECIALLY the international one but it isn't necessary)
Instead of waiting for English fans to be the groups main income then put out English Subs, why not have the subs there so whoever is scrolling through might click and they will understand. If there are English Subs they it doesn't matter who, they might click on the video and who knows even stan the group. I personally don't care, I'll watch with or without subs but of course I enjoy the subs.
I think you as well as many other people misunderstood the whole ARMY donating one mill to #blm a day after BTS. ARMY'S have been donating their monies individually or in smaller groups since the starting of #blm. The only difference is now, we pooled together all our money and donated 1 mil in total when BTS did their contribution. So we donated that 1m but it wasn't the first and only time we donated.
You shouldn't say things like "army's raised money only because their group did it" because first of all, not all the fandom donated, second of all not all the fandom is able to donate in normal circumstances and third of all, who told you that the army's who donated didn't actually donate before and after ? I've heard multiple army's have been donating since the movement has started and when BTS participated, that's when it peaked very hight and motivated a few more army's to donate that's it. And I'm sure if BTS didn't donate, they would still have donated but let's not forget that BTS are influencers, so maybe some army's didn't know who to trust entirely to donate their money for and so when they saw BTS donating, they trusted them and donated as well. That's all
are u dumb ?
I totally agree! I don't understand why we're getting criticized for donating 1M dollars in support of BLM, we definitely didn't have bad intentions when donating, why are people still mad at us?
Tea Talk are you sped?
@@kingveve7163 no not at all
@@kelesancassandrasamanthamo1601 clearly you are.
FAVORITE, PLAYBACK, NEON PUNCH ARE SO UNDERRATED
Thats my opinion
Nevermind thats a fact
i have been talking about the 1st opinion for months like i stan sf9 but i am tired of people calling them flops when they actually have a stable korean fanbase
But SF9 most fans are also from East Asia and South East Asia region plus many from Middle East region too. It is just those edgy bg stans with lots of American and western fans that call SF9 flop because SF9 is not big in the west yet. It is ridiculous but makes me laugh because of SF9 want, they can be popular in the west too but that is way too cringy and cliche so nope. Lol
@@mariegreenlife yes just because they arent that popular in the west doesnt mean they are flops
@@rufaidazafira1960
Exactly
This channel is underrated
cuz people dont wanna accept the truth
Although i agree with almost all your opinions, i had to pause and disagree with the blm donations opinion. personally i feel its good to look up to your fav artists who will open your eyes on so many issues. back in 2017 when i wasnt much into kpop and didnt know whom to actually stan, i never cared abt donations, i thought i wouldnt be able to afford etc, but when i saw the people in my fandom and the artists i love donate so much on a regular basis, it kind of got the motivation in me to spark up, i wanted to donate, i wanted to do something good for the people not because my artists had done that but because they opened my eyes on those issues.
"visuals does matter" is true, we're all vain because let be honest the term "first impression is everything" applies to this. Especially since the korean audience is very tough as they take first impression very seriously, music can be later but appearances are what determines the following they will have in the first few years! That's why now companies are handpicking good looking members to make a group. It doesnt matter if its the visual or not, all of the member have to be good looking in a way. It also doesnt matter if you think a group has great discographies but gets low vies or less fans, if they arent of the standard beauty then sorry to say they wont be popular or they'll have it rough for a few comebacks/years
Oh really then as per your point of view Mamamoo sucks. Right?
@@teddybuddy45 ??? mamamoo is great idk why are you commenting like that, im just saying visuals play a much more larger role when it comes to popularity since k-netizens heavily rely on visuals.
@@amiramilky6903 But don't u think it has negative impacts on idols? Those who are not good looking but talented they get neglected many times.☹️
@@amiramilky6903 Well I mean u told that those who have beauty they are very popular and those who don't are not popular. But mamamoo shows talent over beauty and still they are quite popular which contradicts your statement.
@@teddybuddy45 welcome to the society where looks are everything
Bruh. I know this is an unpopular opinion video, so it's meant to be unpopular. But while I found myself disagreeing on most things, I still respected it. Like, for example, the MatchAMillion project. I think that a fandom using the love they feel for an artist to do good things is good. We shouldn't always do charity out of pity, sometimes it should bloom out of happiness (then it would also be more common). I mean, ARMYs always do charity projects on the member's birthdays and on other events. If BTS has donated a million, isn't it a good opportunity for the fandom to move together and use that common inspiration to do the same? We need a motor that fuels us to move together if u know what I mean.
Plus, ARMYs have done SOOOOOO many charity projects and try to mind our business, yet where have we gotten recognition until now? We have never gotten any recognition or reputation out of it, yet we still did it. How is that to 'make us look better'? Like, everyone says we're toxic anyways.
Still, I could respect ur opinion, because I could understand the premise of it.
But with the visual one, I first of all disagree, and on the other hand, you made a premise with a wrong point. 'Visuals are the point of K-Pop' Not really imo. Yes, the eye-candy aspect is important (lie background, concept, makeup, clothes etc), but that doesn't need to aply to Idol's faces. Plus, what got me into K-Pop was the choreos and songs aspect of it, the fan-artist connection and how the songs are distributeed and formulated.
Beauty standrads are a big pressure, and as far as I know it's pretty bad in Korea. Choosing face over talent? just perpetuates that. Like, there's actual work discrimination in Korea because of beauty standrads. That does not happen where I live, but I suppose that if we had an Industry with people of my race who all look like sculptures, the standrad of how I'm supposed to look, would rise.
We do need to normalize less conventional faces, which can absolutely happen. 2ne1 used to be considered ugly (I consider them gorgeous, but without 'perfect' doll faces, which is easier to relate to, doesn't mean they're ugly at all), and look at how popular they were. I don't wanna namedrop but there's plenty of Idols who I at first might have thought of as ugly (less goodlooking than the average person), but now I think they look gorgeous bc of their talents, their charisma, their charm or just bc when u get richer it's easier to look better lol.
+ i do NOT judge a group by their faces when i see them lmao. I just see people and then watch the concept+work. Your whole premise is based on your superficiality and then u call everyone dumb and wrong if they don't think like that?
i mean, u can think whatever u want, but I'm out as soon as you ask for respect and proceed call everyone who disagrees dumb lmao.
Anyways I'm out, BYE have fun judging groups by their faces ig. If u think visuals are important, u're dumb.
Damn you came off as insightful & friendly, made a pretty good point, then got heated towards the end which was kinda off-putting 😅
I thought her perspective was heavily inspired by and rooted in the Korean mindset. She seems to look at it from a Korean person's point of view but it's still too much. A person's outer look shouldn't determine their job qualification unless it's smth that actually requires it (still toxic but what to do? We can't change a whole societal view overnight). On second thought, people (including myself) generally tend to want to be served by decent-looking people, basically just someone *polite, well-groomed and effecient* . I feel like that should be the standard if it must. Genetic stuff shouldn't be our business. Since it can't be helped 🤷🏻♀️
Anyway, I like to look at things from different points of view so thx for sharing ya take on it 👐🏻
You said what I was about to say! Thanks for this and maybe you should do unpopular opinions too! I would definitely watch!
@@salmakhairiaalang3466 oh 🥺 Thank you, I might one day! but I am still a bit to shy for videos
I completely agree with your opinion 💯
What I find annoying is that, these non Korean kpop fans desire to become kpop idols and then come bashing at Kaachi cause they are not Korean smh
@@skyewel Ikr!! The majority are international fans (although I've seen some kfans too). And ngl, they've improved a lot too since their debut
I definitely agree with you on the point were u said international fans demand for subtitles when Kpop is made for mainly Korean audience. I am not born in Korea and am a international fan but it rlly annoys me when international fans are watching Korean videos of their favs Korean idols and then demand subtitles on the comments section. I'm srry but the world doesn't evolve around u, are you forgetting the K in Kpop? I understand if you want to understand the video but that's not the way to go about it... if you rlly are a hardcore fan and so desperately want to understand the video just learn Korean! 🤷
tbh, Armies didn't just donate to blm in order to make their fandom look good, i think it was more that BTS inspired them to do something that could help change their society for the better. BTS' donation was a catalyst that pushed Armies to act on an already existing feeling towards a certain movement. Same with how Reveluvs were inspired by red velvet to do more about clean air. These artists all have a significant amount of influence, and being influenced by them to do something doesn't necessarily mean that the only reason you did that thing was because you were doing it in the name of your group or to make your fandom look good. A lot of those people had already donated previously or were looking to donate and this gave them a chance to act with the collective they already consider themselves to be part of. I think they did it as Army not to showcase that they want to make their fandom look good, but to show that BTS inspired them to do something positive and powerful, it doesn't mean that they only donated because BTS donated or that they didn't care about the movement otherwise. I hope you understand what I'm trying to convey here! I understand where you're coming from btw, this is just my view on it!
edit: i have no doubt that there were some armies who donated with gross and questionable motives, along with any scenario where a fandom acts upon some form of social justice following an idol or group's actions, words, or donation, but my statement is in regards to what I assume to be the consensus and ideals/motives of the general populous. It doesn't just refer to Army donating to blm either, but in any similar scenarios regarding kpop and social justice.
But we can't blame the whole fandom as an attention seeking or so that we created such image, just because some obsessed idiots do with that motive. I am tired of people saying Army do everything BTS does. Like for god sake, find full information and then come at us.
About Kaachi their only problem really was them claiming the "kpop group" title, cuz their technical skills were pretty average. I agree that they wouldn't have gotten the popularity they have now if people weren't so focused on hating the girls
I'd kind of have to disagree with the visual one, I just don't understand why the visual position is a thing since as you said visuals are important part in kpop. Every member in some kpop groups are attractive in some degree so having a visual position to me is just useless. idk
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Kpop is basically visuals and talent. Visuals make the audience appeal to the group and its been a trend before it hit international market. You cant just say visuals are useless. Thats just direspectful.
I think most of the hate Kaachi gets aren't actually because they want to become a kpop group, I think it's because they were being rude to Jennie and calling her lazy and calling themselves as the Hwasa of Kaachi or even shipping themselves to BTS members. I'm not really sure but that's how I found out about Kaachi because of those reason, well we don't use the same social media flatform so I'm guessing we may have found out about Kaachi in a different way. I'm not hating on the girls cuz I honestly couldn't care less about them cuz I mean what am I gonna do about them? Hating them doesn't make much of a difference other than your affecting their mental health, I just feel like I should point it out.
Kpop Twitter is toxic, but at least they ACTUALLY used fancams to disarm hate. No, using it in a way of “if they stanned *insert group* they would still be alive” it’s distasteful and sooooo ugly, but in the case of disarming hate, give Kpop Twit some slack. This time they used it to shut down racists, and I’m proud of them. But they still can be pretty toxic.
I agree with everything then the Irene CFs came i got carried away
I am late, but i am gonna say this, i think international fans generalise all koreans in one sentence and personally i hate that, not all koreans are racist, even yesterday when the news of lucas cigarette broke out, people just went like oh why koreans are bashing him why koreans have so much standards and there was not even a single korean citizen bashing him 🤦🏻🤦🏻
1. True. international fans only jumped on a wave of world domination just because they saw armys wanting to get bts bbma award. Western hegemony is also to be blamed here. K-pop stans bashed armys for aiming for global popularity while forgetting how many of them bragged about their idols meeting western pop artists 😕
2. Agreed, it's the fans and the music which their popularity depends on. There are real underrated k-pop artists who we couldn't find even hear about, because they struggle to even perform on music shows for exposure.
3. I still disagree with this point, 4th gen is focusing on the train ride *cough* itzy of loving themselves, they're like leading there, so i don't think visual will lead k-pop forever like this. However i wouldn't say that companies do want good looking idols, just like any other company in other businesses.
4. These news websites are a pain in the ass, not only that, but koreaboo gives antis a chance to post anything against any group they want. Anyone can become a koreaboo writer lmao.
5. Even nugus are better than them, but k-pop fans give them way too much attention for them to claim in the same breath that they don't like them.
I also stopped going to Koreaboo cause they always made fluff articles, usually about BTS, cause they know it'll guarantee clicks.
they'll post random shit like "top 10 ways BTS showed why they prefer cereal over bacon and eggs!"....like who cares?
Yes true.😔 They only show articles about popular group and also some shit articles like what u have mentioned😑
you went off on these ✨✨
3:08 talking about the blm stuff!! i've never heard anyone say this and i'm so glad that someone finally addressed it 😭😭
I'm agree with all of your opinions. But your opinion about donating, I'm disagree. I understand, kpop shouldn't be the reason for helping a community, but at least their donation can helped many people too. Although their main reason is for their fav kpop idol, we still have to thank these kinds of people😊
and the facts that theres so many kpop fans around the world, there will be lots of donations collected.
I disagree with the kaachi one. people aren't comparing them to those big 3 high standards, they're just asking for a little bit of consideration and maybe vocal training. if they wanted to be a kpop group in the first place then it should've crossed their minds that obviously they should've faced the consequences of this fucked up society standards. especially netizens and kpop fans in general's ones. and they too did cultural appropriation many many times, there have been many controversial things about them that I won't be talking about, but you as a kpop fan first before a pseudo-idol should've expected such hate, in the first place if you call yourself a kpop group. that's all I have to say, I don't hate on kaachi or anything, but it's not about the comparing to the big 3. take for example BOTOPASS, they're a really talented group but they're still underrated and I would be surprised if someone knew them. you said to try and compare kaachi to actually underrated groups but honey, kaachi compared to botopass or lunarsolar or even ShaFLA cannot even compare. I'm sorry but that's just the truth for me. same with Secret Number (I know they have nothing to do with all of this but I felt like I had to add them) they had to vocally train a little bit more, the rap saved Who Dis? but I don't think anything could save kaachi at this point. that's just in my whole opinion. but I agree with everything else
Soompi is pretty good
Tbh I always thought a visual isn't the prettiest member, but more like a really recognizable/characteristic person, so like for example: Somyi (of DIA), you see Somyi and are like "Oh! I know her she's from DIA" (atleast I hope everyone knows who Somyi is, she's really pretty)
that would be more like the face of the group or center. but unfortunately, most people don't know who Somyi is, not even DIA.
I disagree soooo bad on that visual one......having a visual is just saying that that certain member has a better posture than others ...hope this gets recognition
I think that all the members are visuals in their own way and there shouldn’t be any visual
Fun fact About international popularity: most companies don't really want them to have too many activities or fans abroad because idols take the highest percentage of profits from abroad.
1. It just depends on what they want to aim for. If they want to focus in Korea, then so be it. If they want a wider audience, then great too. You’re also not a flop if you focus in Korea.
2. It’s simply entertaining. Like twitter is entertaining, but I’ve closed and left because it’s quite toxic. Just go on it if you can handle it, it’s your own choice.
3. It also depends. But if they have show wins and fandoms. Don’t compare your group to Blackpink or BTS, that’s inaccurate. Even Dreamcatcher isn’t even underrated. They’re getting attention.
4. It contributes to the group, and is necessary. But obviously I would still listen to music from not an outstanding looking person. But the position itself is unnecessary.
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YES YES YES and once again YESSSSS
9:08 one again a huge YES
Me struggling to pay attention cause Twice's dance for you cover is playing in the background
I love this ur savagery 😂❤️
2:19 YES, it's so sad to see how racist some stans can get when they dont agree with you, some have no shame too
you can look at the BLM donation like that, but that's so pessimistic and undermining such a good act...I respect you but that's so wrong? BLM was an issue based in america and the rest of the world may have been aware about what was happening but signing petitions was all they could do
BTS and ARMY organised a platform that encouraged non-americans to contribute as well and you undermining it just felt wrong
honestly I don't know what ya'll want BTS to do now, if they use their platform positively and their fandom acting on, it's a problem but if no one does anything that is a problem too
I rly disagree about visuals. Although you're right that theyre important in Kpop, I think Kpop should move past the need to have every idol look like a porcelain doll. It's kind of creepy to me that in a music genre, which is about sound, looks are prioritized. This is a good video tho
On a side note, I think sonamoo is underrated mainly because they disbanded after 4 albums and that no a lot of kpop stand know about this particular group
another underrated group is red square. they aren’t my favs or anything but we do be streaming 🤚 😔
they do be spicy 🔥🌶️
I agree with pretty much everything.
What is the name of the intro song?
tbh i think having a designated member as the visual is what is kinda dumb. like obviously you cannot deny that visuals are important to kpop, but find me an ugly idol. you can't. they're all gorgeous and like having a designated visual member just doesn't make sense to me. i guess what the role of a visual is trying to convey is that they're the face of the group and the member that will be doing the most cfs and stuff. and i know some groups have "face of the group" as a role, but i really think that is what we should be calling the visual members instead of visuals.
and tbh i still thinking calling someone *A* visual is demeaning. i don't care that it's what the industry does. instead we should be saying that they *have* nice visuals or whatever. but no one is just a pretty thing to look at. but that's really just a linguistic pet peeve of mine though.
i know netizenbuzz kinda exaggerates everything but ngl its so fun to read sometimes its just so juicy
The caption on the video tho... My ultimate fav group is ACE. and their visuals is NO JOKE and their skills is MAMMA MIA but people still call them underated.
5:53 I'm gonna respectfully disagree, I get where the opinion comes from but when you said "If they didn't want to be recognized for how they look, then they wouldn't have become an idol" that didn't really make sense to me because why would you become a singer or rapper just to show off your looks? Like if that was they case then they should've became a model, like it just feels like it would be frustrating to put in all this work and energy to improve and show off your talents and have everyone care about how you look more then what you can do. That's just my opinion on it, no hate, have a nice day.
6:30 i admit that
you know how many people become stay ?
cuz of hyunjin long dark blonde hair . that's it .
Good thing I don't use twitter. That sh#t malfunctions every time I try to use it 🙂
I think V is getting a lot of attention for his looks though his my bias he has the least ability’s compared to other members and in Dynamite people dint even notice Hobi he looked so good I bet if Taehyung looked like how he looked before his debut he’d been the least popular member no matter what people say Hobi owned dynamite era
Hoseok owned that Dynamite era especially the dance break
@@graperush glad you think the same
I don't even have twitter but from what i've seen people complain about, Stan Twitter really is annoying. maybe twitter in general {and i'm an army}
also the website one YES. they also plagiarize content too
Pink fantasy is truly underrated.
omg i agree so much with the eng subs
Your video is really well made! New sub here :)
Just wanna promote The Rose
mmmmm I think Irene is not too pretty. Sometimes I think that korean beauty standards are wrong.
Rowan Delevingne I wouldn’t say Korean beauty standards are “wrong” you cant call beauty standards wrong it’s doesn’t make any since. These standards are preference. It’s standards that Koreans and East Asians prefer but of course it doesn’t determine actual beauty because I have seen many idols who so call do not fit the standards well and I find them extremely stunning. I also usually don’t find visuals the most beautiful in most groups I have seen, and just like you and I find Irene average looking, but the point is beauty is very subjective and to many other people Irene is insanely beautiful, so idols who do fit the standards are very good looking to some people while to others they are not, because everybody has different preferences when it comes to beauty
I don’t know why I wrote all of that, but you get what i mean
I feel like saying your favs are underrated is a insult to your fav because your saying they are small
650 YESSS FACTTT SIRRR
I feel like I'm the only one who likes long videos ;-(
when k pop idols are too preety/cute : 9:17
THANKS YOU I bet 90% ofxtye armies that donated wouldnt of done it if it wasnt for bts😭
Sorry for the late reply. But you're right. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Because a lot of that 1 million dollars came from fans outside USA. Those people weren't that aware of blm or even if they were, they had no idea where to donate. OIAA allowed them a more accessible method to donate. Moreover a lot of fans were donating even before the match a million thing. And a lot of fans donated after too. It's just that those donations weren't tracked. And doing it under the name of bts created this feeling of solidarity among the fandom. It's unfair to reduce this to doing it for a good name because nobody can say that for sure unless you can read the minds of people who donated.
We donated even before the news come out, clown
One in an Army has been around since 2018 and has been organizing donations to so many different things. Not to mention we don't wait for them to organize but take initiative to do the right thing.
I couldn't donate because I wasn't getting paid and before BTS made their donation I was seeing all the OIAA post and feeling bad so I started watching all the content that collected money from ads and made my contributions there. ARMY aren't the devil you want us to be. There are millions of great and proactive fans who follow BTS.
but abt the subs tho, how about BTS? they sr epopular all around tthe world and still their vids dont have englih subtitles, thats what we all have been needing for a long time, just english subtitles, well obv koreans dont need subtitles bc they can understand korean themseleves, welp. i guess we have to learn korean to understand vids as well lol jk, i actually understand your first opinion, like even tho grps arent popular internationally, they are still known in korea itself so im not complaining
All BTS vids have English subtitles?? I’m so confused as to which videos you could be talking about.
Ok but call me wrong but BVDNIT is actually underrated
I have only seen like 1 or 2 other people who know them
Every twitter side of a community is toxic tbh
all your opinions are on periodt.
I disagree with the international fan opinion. Both Korean and international fans are important and should get things like subtitles. Also, they make so much money off of international fans. Think about concerts/world tours. Plus, think about how much shipping we pay for when buying merch. It's all going into their pockets. I also don't like the BLM opinion about armys. Living in the U.S, I have seen the destruction racism has caused. Army's did a great thing not because BTS did it, but because we were inspired.
"So we all wish that our groups could have popularity like the likes of BTS and BLACKPINK"
Nope, I'm literally an armlink
(Army +Blink)
3YE has no wins tho and they don't have more than 10 million views in any of their mvs
bruh PLEASE do not support soompi either.. they’re just as bad as the other websites
ARMYs didn’t donates just because BTS did we were the most active on twitter about spreading donation links asking each other and supporting black community our fandom is full of black ARMYs that makes no sense you won’t know how much ARMYs donated before BTS did because it wasn’t counted by anyone but after BTS it was counted by fans to make sure that we can match and we reached 2M also ARMYs were the most active fandom to ask BTS to speak up about it when other fandoms were only talking sht about BTS and forgetting their faves did nothing.
I don't agree😀
Do you know anything regarding the donations made by army?? we have been involved in countless donation projects all around the world without having to wait for BTS to do something first!! If you're going to talk about a topic, at least do your research first. But you're always trying to run down anything regarding BTS and ARMY anyway..what can we expect?
Most kpop rap songs are absolute fucking trash
Like you cannot tell me that Ravi's Bomb is a good song wth