Mimi the problem is the best 3rd gen vocalists did start out that good. Take Exo for example (because they’re the strongest vocal group of 3rd gen), ChenBaekSoo even pre-debut would still have been able to outsing most of the industry. I mean their debut song literally has two massive slides and four other high notes 👀, it’s a really vocal heavy song, and their next title track was even harder. But basically the reason people are so harsh on 4th generation vocals is because the groups and vocalists they use for that comparison did start at a higher level than where 4th gen is right now, and that’s why they ‘fall short’.
@@_dont_mind_me Not all 3rd gen vocalists started out like exo tho lmao. I've seen many 3rd gen groups who were not that vocally strong from the beginning as well. I definetly don't think 4th gen are nearly as good of vocalists as 3rd gen groups but please don't act like most 3rd gen groups were perfect from the very beginning. Y'all 3rd gen stans are always bringing down these young rookie groups for not being perfect at singing. They don't need to be at shinee, exo level to be good vocalists. Not every group is going to start out like exo, that's so unrealistic. Let them grow + improve and let us praise them without y'all always bringing them down all the time.
staygold Fun fact: txt were literally the group who got me into Kpop, I’m not some 3rd gen stan who’s only here to hate on rookies, I love those boys so much and every comeback I watch them improve on their vocals. All I meant was when people decide to compare generations, they naturally go for the best in each and that’s why 4th gen always seems to ‘fall short’. Because a company with training as rigorous as SM is always gonna be debuting idols at a higher skill level than companies who prefer to go for the ‘watch them grow’ technique. Both are perfectly fine and I like groups from both generations, I just think that a lot of companies are currently debuting a lot of very young idols who won’t have had the same amount of training as some idols did in the past. I’m not trying to hate, I’m not saying everyone needs to get to exo’s level, I’m not saying we can’t praise 4th gen’s vocals, I was just tying to explain that when people compare generations, not only do they naturally think about how 3rd gen is doing now, but they often compare to the most vocally proficient groups like Exo
@@_dont_mind_me The problem is that 4th gen has barely got any power vocalists. Off the top op my head I can only name Jongho from Ateez. And no I am not talking about someone who can hit somewhat of a high note. I am talking about DK, Seungkwan, Baekhyun, Wendy type of vocalists. There is a group needed with really strong vocals to round the 4th gen out.
If you're talking about songs, can you imagine the horror of trying to fit two kpop groups onto one song? The entire comments section would be filled with people complaining about line distribution. Stage performances do sound nice, but that's obviously not happening anytime soon... Sounds nice in theory, horrible in practice. The only example I could think of is epik high's born hater, which doesn't really fall into kpop with artists like verbal jint and beenzino
@@frozie4615 I understand what you're saying. My comment was not detailed. What I meant by saying collaboration was not necessarily two groups in one song What I meant was something like "eight by IU and Suga" (Ugh my grammar sucks even this simple comment took a lot of time anyway I hope this was understandable 💫💫)
"''4th gen is a dance competition" ppl say this and then ignore the fact that there are many groups that are heavy in something and not just dancing, for example; txt is a vocal heavy group even tho i dont stan them but i know they are great vocalists, for stray kids i might be a little biased here but tbh they have it all imo, but their rapline shine the most so ill give it to the rapline, ateez is a dance heavy group, they are all good dancers and its a fact... and this is just for bgs, what m trying to say is that the gen just started nd its doing good already so please stop ;-;
Honestly it is but I don’t like how they ignore the fact that 2nd gen was just a singing competition. The only good rap group that I think about when I hear sum1 talk about second gen rap is bigbang. Let’s also talk about how most 2nd gen choreos aren’t good or difficult (except infinite and SHINee)
@Sanaz Zaman eum yea :/ im an ateez casual listener, idk much bout them but the only thing m iknow or more like sure about is that they are so talented!! oh nd i think skz have one of the most all rounders in kpop tho, but yea they are all so talented its crazy-- XD
people complaining about groups like BTS, Blackpink or SuperM releasing music in english, as if they are the first ones, when the biggest 2nd gen groups like SNSD, BigBang, 2ne1, ALL have released songs in english, as early as 2011.................
Victoria Black An album is very different from just a few songs/versions of songs. Intention also matters. Creating a whole English album seems like a way to get western validation
Lily Rose so what if they want to break into the western market, doesn’t make them any less kpop. And it’s cool they release songs in English since their fanbase is international and that way they can understand and sing along to at least some songs.
off topic but all the “unpopular” opinions are actually popular but if someone has an actual unpopular opinion people find it weird and start bashing the person like what-?
This is very very true. I've found some good videos that actually had unpopular opinions that left me feeling like ''what? You really think that? I don't agree, but interesting take.'' One other thing that I have noticed is that people are quick to call these opinions ''hate'', while most of them are literally just innocent but unpopular opinions. Unless it's like ''idol X should leave group Y cause they are ugly'', but that rarely happens.
I *hate* it when international fans say "Oh, this group only has international fans because they're *SO* underrated, and Korean fans have *NO* taste what so ever" ( I was just over exaggerating). Come on, I see it in every music video and usually, it's for clout and begging for likes in disguise, but no one cares what ethnicity/race their fans are, as long as they're a fan, then they're a fan. End of discussion
The one you said is a little bit okay compare to 'Like if you are an international (insert fandom name)' or something resemble to that. I get annoyed by it everytime.
@MsSunhappy Yeah, not to mention international fans spread trends easily (in platforms like tiktok and stuff), and when it comes to kpop, theres no overexaggerating when i say it spreads worldwide
honestly i don’t think that we should even being saying which company is the worst, we really don’t know what happens behind the scenes and it’s obvious that companies like yg are shat you don’t need to say it
I never understood the whole "Kpop is becoming westernized" opinion since the roots of kpop was inspired by western music to begin with. How do you become something you always were?
i actually really like 4th gen, not only because they're closer in my age so im not following people like 10+ years older than me, but i really like dancing. Dancing was the first way I really got INTO into the kpop community. So i think the dancing aspect is great for me. And not only that but just because a lot of 4th gen groups dance REALLY good, but there are a lot of 4th gen idols who are gems in vocals.
i used to be a stan in second gen, mainly with snsd and shinee, but got bored in like 2012 (there wasnt a lot of content in my language and i was 13 and dumb so it made sense at the time lol), in january i got back into it bc of a (pretty underrated) fourth gen group (onlyoneof check them out if you can) and just fell into the hole again. theyre all good groups, 2nd gen stans just enjoy feeling superior for being here for a long time lmao
i think self producing groups are cool and if they get really famous and popular, they get paid a shit ton in royalties. like billions of won. so if they get really good they REALLY get it good
You know whats scary about TXT? They haven't even shown their full potential yet...they haven't had extremely fast rap verses or a dance break (aside from the like 8 seconds one in drama) With other groups they have already shown all of their potential. With TXT, you have no idea what to expect. And I freaking love it :)
2nd gen purists will say “k-pop is too westernized these days” as if groups like 2ne1 and big bang didn’t base most of their music off of early 2010s american edm like black eyed peas… there’s always been western influences, and it’s not a bad thing!
Exactly! I actually prefer 3rd gen music rn but give 4th gen some time and they’ll pull through. Many people forgot that 4th gens are like 1 year olds and many other 4th gen groups have yet to make their debut. Times change and evolve and so do people and their tastes
I just want to say, as a 3rd gen stan, 3rd gen stans are just as annoying as they think 2nd gen stans are. You’re not special because you think your generation is the best, that’s normal.
This is some seniority lol 😂 2nd gen stans be like : “ 3rd gen will never be the same level with 2nd gen “ “ 2nd gen is the best, 3rd gen could never “ And now when 3rd gen has a junior ( 4th gen ) they’re like : “ 4th gen is the worst “ “4th gen vocals are bad“ I mean... Can we just relax and see their growth cause THEY JUST START TO GROW FFS 😫😂
@XiaoHenYang supremacy lol same when someone say that they unstan a group, people say that no need to make huge video on it for whom u unstan no need to say , but sometimes these unpopular opinion aren't even unpopular they are literally a hate thrown at a group indirectly, like how these kinds of narrator's say that these groups should do this but not that etc etc etc , they don't even know what the groups suffer at the back that they don't see , and they are human group not robot groups that whatever u will say they will do that I really don't like this kind of videos
Idk... I think in some ways they are. No hate, but they honestly have great vocals yet they are overshadowed by other girl groups often. I listened to a song of theirs the other day and was a little surprised that they weren’t more popular actually. Idk if I stand them, but they are talented
While this is not exactly an opinion, I think many k pop fans should learn to give compliments without the negatives. Like I’ve seen sooooo many people write comments like “omg how does anyone think that this idol is ugly, they are really beautiful.” In my opinion, It is a way a bit of a backhanded comment. instead, i feel like we need to just say what we like about our favourite idols and not the mean parts.
I totally agree. I love reading comments on music videos, but when I try to read them on the Maria music video, most of the comments I see are similar to the one you pointed out.
HallyuInquisitive thank you! These people give way too much attention to something that is so petty and not that serious. It’s annoying. I swear some moomoos literally victimize Hwasa, trying to make it seem that half of the kpop fandom is trying to get her when that’s not even remotely true
Yeah i dont like these either. I remember like on wannabe everyone kept saying "why does everyone say lia is lazy but she is ..." like just dont mention it? Just say something positive without bringing up negativity.
bro yesssss! i sometimes feel as if people who create these kinds of videos act like they are so entitled to say whatever they want and then complain about others doing it in the video. i fr dont like the stuff they say about some of the opinions because they’re not all super offensive or problematic, which is what they make it out to be like. they always act like everything other people say about the opinions they talk about are mean and rude, smh.
@@sanhaworld7311 exactly?? and like, of course, some opinions are totally valid and no one has a say in whether you post them online or not, and a lot of them are perfectly true. but sometimes it's like dude, just calm down and listen to the music, support the artist. having an opinion is fine, but raising it over someone else's head, especially another member of a community or an ARTIST?! like chill, you are being nasty. that isn't an opinion, that's judgement. *especially the things like "i don't like bts" or "i don't like jennie" or "this comeback sucked/didn't deserve the hype" like okay um. one, saying you don't like someone for reasons like "i don't like their expression" or "they don't seem like a nice person" or "this member is privileged" is horrible! all artists in the kpop industry work hard at what they do and never deserve those kind of comments on them! and two, the artists will always work hard to deliver on a new comeback. yes, a lot of the time, companies don't promote and that looks bad on the artist, but what people forget is that the artist practices lyrics, tones, dances, has to go through HOURS through to DAYS of work for things like that. imagine what really popular artists like exo or snsd or twice have to memorise? thousands of words, pitches, rhythms, dance moves, sequences they have to practice now that they're well into their career? pulling the "little effort" excuse on a comeback should never be pointed at the artist, because they ALWAYS practice for it no matter what. that is their JOB. as entertainers, that's their duty because if they don't, they don't get employed. thank you 😔
@@wooberry2056 YOU SPOKE MY ENTIRE MIND OMG TYSMMM, and the fact that their thumbnail always has to have that oNE opinion and the title being, "my unpopular kpop opinions that is (insert an adjective that is bad but its not rlly bc its my opinion and i do what i want lmfao plus im gettin that fame)" ofc some of them aint but like lets take "mY oFfEnsIve oPinion" for example, it literally has the word offensive innit 😭😭
even tho u want me to disagree lmao, im gonna agree with your last point that people need to realize that unpopular opinions are unpopular and you shouldn’t send hate to creators because u don’t agree with it. like then that defeats the whole purpose of you watching the video. u clicked on it thinking you would hear some new, respectful opinions, yet people get mad when they don’t agree with an opinion on the video. youre not supposed to agree with them...its unpopular for a reason
And we really should normalize normal kpop opinions like they said in the video, like I just wanna respectfully debate with people, I don't wanna see people bashing artists because they dont like them and screaming at me for disagreeing with them.
This! I pretty much made a video about Loona, and some orbits were PISSED off just because I said I don’t vibe with their music. The hate they’ve sent me was so ridiculous 🤦🏽♀️
Just because you think you'll find some opinions you agree with doesn't mean you will. "its unpopular for a reason", either people don't realize it, don't care, or disagree. So what? Just because it's unpopular doesn't mean the population is 1, like anyone who makes an unpopular kpop opinions video can agree with some of the "unpopular" opinions.
I'm sick of hearing that "4th Gen is a big dance competition" like :v Y'all wanna know why they are now more focus on their dancing? It's because the majority of 3rd Gen groups got criticized before cause of it, I have friends who are 3rd Gen Stans and even before I become a kpop fan they keep saying how badly their faves are being criticize by netizens especially in dancing & live performances. Weak Vocals? Why so quick to generalize when the whole 4th Generation are still starting? There are a lot of great vocalist on this Generation (not to discredit other vocalists of the past Gen (3) but they are not only into high notes). I keep seeing toxic 3rd Gen Stans commonly comparing them to those 3rd Gen vocalists who always keep doing high notes, like if u can't do it ur considered as a bad vocalist which it should NOT. Y'all must know that music changes Everytime, that the word "Generations" exist cause it means a NEW START, not exactly a carbon copy of the last one. Edit: Noise? Don't act like EDM wasn't done by the majority of 3rd Gen groups in which 2nd Gen started and became an influence to this present Generation's music. Yes, there are a lot of types of EDM and maybe u don't realize it by now but maybe the song in which u adore the most are like that :> NOT TO MENTION THE MOST MEMORABLE SONGS OF 2ND GEN ARE MOSTLY EDM SO🥴
Ikr!!they'd be like how to hate on those specific groups and I don't need to say the names they got nothing to hate on so they came up with"noise music""overdance"and ppl start using it as trend to only these groups lmfao and I'm sick too of hearing that stupid phase like have they heard of jongho for example or a main rapper snatch vocals like han or changbin for example🤦♀️ Edit: automatic sub to u, ur comment is so amazing 🥺🥺✨💕
Vocally 4th Gen is weaker than 3rd Gen and that's a fact. People tend to think that because in 4th Gen there aren't great vocalists, but only good vocalists. If you compare 4th Gen vocalist with 3rd or 2nd Gen vocalist in their rookie days you will still see a huge difference. Right now there aren't 4th Gen vocalist that can be compared to EXO main vocalists (probably they can't be compared even to Suho that's just a lead vocal), Super Junior KRY or Btob. And saying that 3rd Gen vocalist are just high notes is completely wrong. 4th Gen doesn't have great vocalist
The reason why all of u think that 4th Gen is weak in terms of vocals is because of the concept and music style they are getting into. In this Generation of K-pop the majority of groups are now more into EDM/Rap/Hiphop type of music in which they can't really fully show their vocal skills. Everybody is aware of how powerful SM's vocalists are, and I'm waiting for their new GG to debut cause in terms of vocals they are the one who is leading in every Generation. But saying that there is no great vocalist in 4th Gen is a no. Take Treasure for example, before they even debut, everybody can clearly see how great their vocalist are but they decided to go with a EDM type of music in which their vocals can't really fully show, that in my opinion is their strength as a group. TXT, they are one of the few groups on this Gen that is more focus on their vocals but some of their songs can't really show their full potential as a vocalists. The Boyz, ONEUS and so on. Remember they are still starting, there are a lot of new groups who will still debut. It's too early to say things like that. In every Generation there are always what fans called "weak point" though in reality it isn't, more like "not focusing into", keep that in mind. Edit: not because they aren't focusing on that aspect they are consider weak on that point :>
@@zaynaaa0325 The type of songs clearly doesn't help showcasing their vocal abilities but still, in terms of pure tecnhique, 4th gen lacks great vocalists. And by great I mean vocalist that can be ranked in the same tier as Wendy, SNSD TTS, TVXQ Changmin or the ones I mentioned before and right now there aren't. There are good vocalist but not great
Bruh taehyun's vocals... I just can't get why everyone's literally using it as a bed YALL SLEEPIN ON HIM... Anyway TXT's vocals overall r just *chef's kiss* PERIOD. (don't talk to me unless you've heard some of their songs and covers (if you really didn't listen to some of them wtf?))
TXT, rap, vocals, dance are all the definition of perfect even though they didn't even show their full potential yet. Stan TXT, stan all rounded, kings, respectful, talented and tall idols.
@@malakasaad8561 Bruh.... I legit think of that all the time especially beomgyu... Like all of em we mightve seen like 30% of their potential in sumn but beomgyu, literally like less than 10% the beomgyu I've seen in boy in luv cover is DIFFERENT wtf man(also basically all of em in boy in luv hit different, but the stage presence tho *covers face*). Anyway TXT 4th Gen kings and princes.... (i also wanna add that taehyun's vocals yall he's legit my favorite vocalists of all time not just in kpop but generally and I just think he's one of the best vocalists out there, his abilities bruh I'm still shook can't wait for the future:) )
Also this is just vocal, rap and dance don't get me started on producing their own songs and writing them..I'll ball my eyes out every time I listen to them. Taehyun said one of the songs he wrote made it in this next comeback and hopefully we get a producer gyu song.... (I'm sorry for being annoying but wtf why was soobin voted as best rapper and that clip of him rapping... everyone's talking sht rn but a few years from now and everyone who isn't a moa will cry about not stanning earlier..just sayin😔)
JYPE boy groups are literally suffering specially. GOT7 members youngjae and yugyeom have sassaengs that threatening their life but jype doing nothing, they do not even promote got7, poor youngjae had his FIRST photoshoot in 2020 after these 8 years FOR THE FIRST TIME even aghase sending led trucks didnt change jype mind and we are desprate that even got7 japanese MVs dont have any subtitle even those from 5 years ago and the programs too. ugh day6 got7 deserve more. stray kids are overworked too
@@DN-fl9jm thats ridicolous and i dont think its about how old the group is and got7 is not an old group, again if groups will age one day then consider TWICE, they have english sub for their all japanese releases and all of their little videos and 6 years later they may consider an old group so guess what, their stuffs still have the sub, so it does not make any sense and its not related to how old or young the group is. got7" i wont let you go " and " new era" are pretty recent releases and still dont have subtitles so what about that? . its all about mistreatment honey, jype is a doing got7 and boy groups really dirty
I feel like line distribution lowkey does matter but at the same it’s not that serious. Like if the song is based on rapping I wouldn’t really want the vocalist to be rapping since their voice wouldnt fit the concept.
Yeah. Sometimes it’s annoying tho. Like when people complain their favorite is being mistreated and under appreciated when he or she are last place by 2 seconds or some stupid shit. It also makes sense that rappers have less lines then the vocalist considering that a song wouldn’t really be considered a pop song if it was all rap. Of course, rappers deserve recognition and lines, but people shouldn’t expect them to dominate the song. It’s also hard when there are a lot of members, like in TWICE and BTS where it’s hard to evenly distribute lines in a 3 minute song amongst many, which is why there are songs where some members are kind of in the bottom, but there are also songs at the same time where these same members shine. Bottom like people shouldn’t complain so much, unless the number is a HUGE amount. Like if a idol said like two or three lines in a small group. Other than that I don’t think lines really matter... sometimes it’s not about the amount of lines it’s about how the idol sings them, like sometimes I’ll be surprised when a member has the least amount of lines when their voice stuck out the most. So I get what you mean... it should matter in the case of fairness but it shouldn’t be a huge issue.
chuuchu right I don’t really care about line distribution because it might be hard to add all of the members into certain songs. Just as long as the members aren’t being forgotten. I find those types of videos annoying too.
also people tend to hype up self-production as a response to the idea that kpop is manufactured, and because groups who self-produce get control over their artistic output in a way that a lot of other groups don't
Which is so untrue, as I found many groups have input in their music, at least on the choice of song. Or in the case of rappers, any rapper I researched in a group writes their own raps from as early as debut. So this whole notion people have that "self-produced is better" is based on a false truth. Kpop is no more manufactured than western pop music.
It’s always been a bit topic within music as a whole because people think that if music isn’t written by the artist it lacks legitimacy. Which is why pop music in general tends to be heavily criticised.
@@ccsbm208 very true. i also feel like the way kpop debuts and comebacks are structured also factors into this, since it can make the whole process seem very superficial, but the truth is every artist works their ass off and not all of them end up succeeding, just like in every other music industry
MsSunhappy I’ve never understood the feeling of superiority they have cause they don’t listen to “manufactured bubblegum pop”. Music’s all about enjoying yourself why can’t the music snobs just let people enjoy what they want.
i think " visual should not be a position/visuals is not important " opinion is an overused opinion And 2nd and 3rd gen stans say that 4th gen is bad and it has changed but if 4th gen was as same as 3rd and 2nd gen, then they would complain that 4th gen is same and its not fun.
Period. And 2nd gen stans always call the 4th Gen a dance competition as if 2nd gen wasn’t a whole ass singing competition. And at least most 4th gen groups have at least one decent rapper (can’t say the same for 2nd gen)
People need to stop sleeping on TXT, all 5 are very good singers, dancers and rappers. Their comeback is on october 26th ! They will show more of their talents. (Personally hoping for rap heavy song, soobin is said to be really good at it. And an accapella song !! )
Honestly they are underrated. Even those who ‘stand’ them say that they only get hype because they are from Bighit and are ‘brothers’ to BTS. When in reality txt are their own people and stand out on their own!!!
I have to say this girl. You said all 5 are singer, dancers and Rappers. But I've only seen Yeonjun rapping till now. Just because they don't have officiall position doesn't mean that they are all rounder. I mean they can be all rounder in future but not in the present. Yes, their vocals are so good. I prefer Beomgyu's vocals over Taehyun. His voice is calm and I can listen on repeat. Taehyun's vocals is kindaa seems forced to me. Yeonjun is vocally great but I want him to do more on rapping. He gets most lines as he sings and raps too. Nothing wrong with doing both but if other members can do then they should also get chance too. I used to be Moa (just a casual listener now) so yeah i have heard discography of them. Reason I quit stanning because it more felt like they are so into (Or Bighit making them) the concept, that whole Universe thing that I didn't feel connected to them anymore. I already had taste of theories etc. with BTS and watching TXT do same was No for me. I hope as time passes by they get chance to show their skills and improve it too.
@@stargirI777 lol okay. So taehyun didn’t rap hobis part in boy in luv then? Hueningkai didn’t rap in dope? Beomgyu was practicing the fos rap behind the scene during the comeback show (eternity)? The only one we haven’t seen rap is soobin and taehyun said in an interview that he is good competition towards yeonjun. Soobins has said before he is good at rapping. Bighit is clearly prioritizing showcasing growth with txt. They were trained to do a hip hop concept, so we will have to anticipate that. Yes some member are better in certain eras bc for example taehyun is more interested in singing then in rapping, and yeonjun is really interested in rapping (writing his own raps and all). None of the members lack in anything, the are way above average kpop dancers, singers and rappers. They don’t focus on raps, so obv if their is 1 rap part it will go to yeonjun bc he is the most confident in it. They don’t need unnecessary raps like other groups. I don’t know why you are bringing up taehyuns vocal bc obv you can prefer another members voice, but taehyun does have the best technique and is the most stable. Professional vocal coaches who actually know what they are saying have said he has the best technique too. Idk what you were trying to do here, but I don’t care for you opinion bc professional have said otherwise. And abt theirr theories you can literally ignore it, their songs are so good, theories only make it more fun and interesting. If you care enough check this vid out by a professional vocal coach who ranked their vocals : th-cam.com/video/v_WBNPMv_-8/w-d-xo.html Btw yes I am a girl, but assuming someones gender can hurt people, so leave that out next time
Self producing groups are AMAZING. It gives me another reason to love and stan them. I honestly love self producing groups, but that doesn't mean I hate non self producing groups hahha
If I’m being honest, kpop ALWAYS catered to the west. It was made to appeal to the west, and even then, a LOT of their styles were very similar to American styles ever since it started. So it confuses me when people say “kpop is too western”
Exactly like if you listen to some of 1st gen songs that sound like every other early 2000s rnb song. If you go back and listen to some of snsd and after school’s songs from 2009-2012 they sound like something Britney Spears would’ve released at the time. Kpop has always been heavily influenced by the west I don’t know why people act like this is new and it’s not necessarily a bad thing.
The whole concept of performing on music shows/music banks was literally what western girl groups did back in the 90s. They performed on MTV and on radio stations and on TV shows in order to promote their song (tho they hardly ever do that, not to mention that western music groups are kinda going extinct in the first place). The word idol comes from the western word of calling artists “superstars” and “pop idols”
yes YG doesn’t give your faves enough comebacks but have you heard of newkidd? If your answer is “no” please stop talking about YG being bad. 1) Youre faves not being hospitalized for 5 months 2) They are treated as humans Newkidd is a 7 member group with half of the members missing but the company says they’re hospitalized for the longest time ever. Yes YG isn’t the best but it’s not the worst you may now sit down
ᗩ ᕼOᒪY CᕼILᗪ OF ᘜOD yeah, I don’t know the members names but some of them have been “hospitalized” for months, and newkidd fans are srsly angry about it
Here's my unpopular opinion that not many people know nowadays Every kpop group, either boy or girl, is unique in their own way and doesn't need to change unless change ***NEEDS*** to happen, but that usually is not the case
I actually really don't mind Itzy's self love songs. I actually really like it. Romantic Love Songs are overrated and boring. We need more love songs about self love and platonic love because in 2020, we're slowly moving into an age where romantic love isn't as important and self love + platonic relationships are becoming more and more important. so i hope that if Itzy wants to change concepts they totally can, but they shouldn't feel like they have to change concepts because people don't see love songs about romance. Who needs the straight love songs anymore anyways, theres plenty of that shit around, we don't need any more lmfaoo i really do like what they're doing and if they are forced to change concepts and start singing about how finding a man to love makes you feel complete, I'm not gonna lie I'd feel a little sad and disappointed. These girls have such a nice concept of of love that isnt romantic love and there truly isnt enough songs that dont talk about romance a couple of love songs are okay but i hope they never completely ditch their self love songs. A lot people say that self love is underappreciated but the moment Itzy does songs about having confidence, suddenly its overused ?? like make it make sense luv ✨ almost every song is a love song about romance and no one bats an eye but the moment a self love song comes out, suddenly after that they have to change their concept ?? if a whole group wants to have their music based around how to love yourself and expand on things that you could do once you love yourself, that should be fine
Its a trend these days to hate on jype girls ...... especially itzy coz some delulus claim itzy is copying their faves ( who have been stuck on same concept for years ) I like what itzy is doing rn ...... They can later anytime change into other ( over used ) concepts
i stan both non self producing and self producing groups. i feel that i do have a better connection with groups that do self-produce, but i appreciate non self producing groups too!!! a lot of idols don't get the opportunity to be a part of production (some of them don't want to lol) and that's fine. but for a group like seventeen who had to (practically) organically create their own career with lyrics, production, and choreo.. there's something special about that - it might be easier to feel a stronger connection bc you can see how dedicated and hard-working they are in a different manner relative to idols who are only performers. this is why i feel a stronger connection to an artist like taylor swift relative to a vocalist. both artists and vocalists/dancers/performers are equally as talented as another, but listening to music and watching performances while knowing that your faves created what you're hearing/watching just hits different. and that's okay.
I honestly don't see what's so wrong with 4th Gen having such great dances. Like, I wanted to start stanning The Boyz *because* of their dancing. Then I come to find out that TBZ has extremely amazing vocalists and rappers that just blow my mind. Dancing can actually lure people to start liking a group which can make that person see even more talent in that said group. So yeah, I rly don't see the problem with this whole dancing situation...
@@i.nv.u I’ve seen all of RTK lmao. I’ve watched the whole entire show, including the other amazing groups too. So yeah, I’ve seen that one and I recommend checking out the others too 😄
Right? Loona and gudle are killing it in the vocal department. Chuu,Haseul,Jinsoul, Miyeon and Minnie are the vocalist of 4th gen. And I don't even stan both. I am a third gen stan.
1)I prefer their newer music but i hear this opinion far to much 2)4th gen literally just started like can y'all give them a break 3)Obv who gets the most or least is kinda important but unless it's really bad for example loona's vivi get's dust don't complain 4)It's a fact wbk 5)JYP is trash just like the rest of the big 3 companies 6)Someone said it 7)I personally don't mind if someone does self prouduction but yh i agree with what u said 8)Dating bans in my opinion is bad but when ppl say things like this it doesn't make sense 9)If they change there concept ppl will get mad if they don't ppl will get mad u can't win 10)Agreed
the 4th gen of kpop is just a dance competition and the vocals and the rap is weak" I'm sorry but that just rude , y'all were saying that the 2nd gen kpop stans were annoying but look at you now huh you all turned into✨🤡✨ their rap is so lit just take a look to mcnd,cravity, TXT yeonjun's rap is so special like wtf he is so talented but y'all find it "weird" sweetie that the proof that you only Stan the same kind of rap over and over again. TREASURE's hyunsuk trained for 7years,and this boy is way too talented, he has one of coolest rap I heard in the kpop, Yoshi and haruto were literally japanese rappers who trained to become idols!! How about Yeji? Ryujin?! They slayed every era with their iconic rap verses, Stray kids rap is superior and no one can change my mind, soyeon! One of the best rappers in kpop,Yena from iz*one has a very nice rap too! For the vocals I'm just so shooked by the fact that everyone is saying that "4rd gen vocalists are weak" do you ever heard of jongho from ATEEZ? Taehyun from TXT?the iz*one members?Minnie from (G)idle?huh??! Their vocals are awesome there's no word to describe how their vocals are lit. And no need to talk about TREASURE's vocal line CUZ👏🏻THEY👏🏻HAVE👏🏻THE👏🏻BEST👏🏻VOCALS👏🏻E.V.E.R. I know I will get hate about this but I'm sorry TREASURE have the best vocals 4rd gen in my opinion. So yeah 4rd gen is the revolution PeRiOdT
@exo and bts will conquer the world periodt Omg- I'm sorry 😖.I was going to write the best vocals in the 4th generation- I hate my keyboard 🤡 but yeah obviously! Exo don't really like kings in this area and I know what I'm saying since.I Stan from KokobopI Stan from KokobopI Stan them from Kokobop, and it's my ult group after blackpink, i do like BTS's vocals but in my opinion jungkook's are superior.It doesn't mean that I don't like other vocalists but jungkook has the voice I like the most. TREASURE have the best vocals in the 4th gen (boygroup),and one of the best in the kpop (in my opinion), they're like so young tho the oldest member have only 20years old I think you should check some of their covers cuz sometimes even the rappers can sing high notes i suggest you this one th-cam.com/video/mV9-REbGB00/w-d-xo.html but there are sooooo many others.
@exo and bts will conquer the world periodt omg can you please stop fighting 😣 we already know EXO are the vocal kings the poor girl did only a little mistake by writing "in kpop" intsead of "in the 4th gen".And even if she would have said TREASURE had some of the best vocals in kpop why would we have to point it out to her? Everyone has their own tastes and opinions and it's not the same for everyone^^'.
in my opinion the 4th gen is fine the way it is. I used to think it was too westernised and not enough cute things but 2nd and maybe a bit of 3rd gen already had cute so now it's time for dark concepts to shine, this is coming from a person who enjoys both, however there should still be some cute concepts and other concepts as well because variety is good, and I can't only listen to one type of music since my mood changes a lot. I don't see why people are complaining about 4th gen being a dance competition. 2nd gen and 3rd gen are just vocal and rap battles respectively but no one complained. 1st and 2nd gen doesn't have much dance so why can't dancing finally get to shine? Y'all want kpop to be dance-free? Kpop is known for its dance and tbh I want it to be that way.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion. The 2nd Generation was a well-balanced Generation. If you look at the top 10 girl groups from the 2nd Generation, they all had different concepts, e.g Snsd, 2NE1, wonder girls, SISTAR, Apink, 4 minute, fiesta, secret, EXID, bestie, the grace, and more. Whereas the late 3rd gen and early 4th gen have very similar concepts and sounds. Because companies really want to enter the Western market. The 2nd wasn’t focused on vocals if you really look at it, but a group had amazing top tier main vocalists, from the beginning of their careers. (Not even most 3rd gen can surpass them to this day) I know the 4th Generation just started and I am not expecting anything major, but when the 2nd gen and 3rd gen debuted the main vocalists were literally killing it. Also, I have noticed that it depends on which groups are leading the generation. ITZY and EVERGLOW (dance-focused) are leading the 4th generation, they have relatively weak vocal except for Lia, Mia, Siheyeon. Therefore 4th gen gets labeled as a weak vocalist, but BVNDIT, Weeekly, Cherry Bullet have great developed vocals. The same thing with twice and Blackpink leading the 3rd gen, there was an argument of how good vocals have gradually decreased over time. But during the 2nd Generation, you had SNSD leading which had exceptional vocals, but then you had Wonder Girls and 2NE1 leading, but they didn’t have the strongest vocals, but there were no negative responses on how the 2nd gen having weak vocalists. Yes, there is a major problem if idols focus on dance. K-pop is a “music” genre, you need vocals and rap over dancing any day. An album that are selling thousands-millions is generally vocal focused, not dance. You right the 4th Generation doesn’t need to change because the companies are just making what is hot right now, which performance through dance and facial expressions.
NIKKI kpop isn’t a genre I don’t know how many times people have to say it. It’s an industry. The music is only one part. There’s 2 parts. The idol and music part and the acting part. The idol and music part isn’t just about the music it’s about the entertainment which is why some idols get added into groups for their personality. Part of being an entertainer is being a performer which is why 4th gen is so dance focused, part of being a performer is singing. Singing and rapping are the last part of it. And I don’t think people realize that. What people need to understand is that while yes 2nd gen vocals were really good at debut, the industry was rather new back then, the industry was a lot more free and less controlling. Idols were allowed to make mistakes back then but nowadays one mistake and everybody hates you and thinks you’re bad or lazy. Kpop idols nowadays aren’t really allowed to explore their weaknesses. If they were I can guarantee you they would be a lot better at singing. But like you said they are still new. They will get a lot better over time maybe not as good as 2nd gen but a lot better. And btw Everglow and Itzy are not the ones leading 4th gen. The ones leading 4th gen are Iz*one, Loona, Everglow, Itzy, and G(idle) and there are a lot more recently debuting. Like cignature, Rocket Punch, Secret number. And they are honestly not as bad at singing as people act(as a whole).
The K-Nerd I consider the 4th Generation to start in 2019, not 2017-2018 which is when Loona, I-DLE, izone debuted. That’s why I use ITZY and EVERGLOW. I disagree with the industry being tighter, if anything it’s looser. It has become so tight when it comes to beauty standards. I mean if you look at most visuals in kpop they have very similar features. We have more minors than before, wearing inappropriate clothing and tweaking or doing some inappropriate dances. You have the slight normalization of the LGBT+ community, having girls almost kiss on screen, touching their private zones, having more idols come out(by the way I am bisexual so I have nothing against the LGBT community)More cuss words. More sexy dances. More female empowerment songs. More songs about depression. Rookie producing their own music. They have Instagram early in one's career. More interaction with fans. Having girls groups produce their music. More idols are opening their own companies. More soloist. More solo activities from groups and so forth. More couples and dating without it being a big scandal. The 4th Generation has way more freedom than you think. The problem is you have less vocal developed groups. Let’s take twice for example at the beginning of their career there was so much hate during the cheer-up era, then people said they are rookies give them a chance. So that’s what people did. Was there hate? Yes but that hate was soon directed to Blackpink. Anyways we’re 5 years in and Twice is the nation's girl group and they only have 3 well-developed vocalists out of 9. So people say people like them because of their personality, but the media is not stupid neither blind nor deaf. People are going, to be honest about how inconsistent a performer you are in your career. Does twice deserve the hate? Not one bit. But you will never see them in the conversation of vocally talented groups. I think what kpop stans and companies even idols themselves need to understand is not everyone falls victim to “personality” There are super talented people out who have great personalities but don’t get in because they don’t fit the standard of beauty. Which exposes the ugly truth of not just kpop but the world. The produce series is a prime example. So yes I agree with you kpop is an industry, it’s all about the market and money. It has become more evident with more companies entering into the mix and wanting success, their groups tend to become formulaic. Kpop is losing its creativity because of that. You end up seeing over the years weaker vocalist, and idol rappers over because of it. Then you have more people pointing that out, thinking that the world's or industry’s standard is becoming high but in reality, companies are producing low-quality idols. You going to end up having more Selenas (no offense to her) and fewer Beyoncés.
Unpoplar opinion: It has a reason why you don't order other music in generations. Music is an evolution. So saying something about one specific generation is kinda dumb.
just some 4th gen groups that y’all should check out! weekly, txt, itzy, secret number, 1team, gwsn, gidle, nature, izone, stray kids, ateez, mcnd, purple kiss, bvndit, 3ye, everglow... (loona officially debuted in 2018 but their first appearance was in 2016 with heejin solo ‘vivid’)
My opinion on kpop becoming westernized is that kpop has always been westernized because kpop is literally inspired off black culture like kpop just copies off black culture and without us there would be no kpop. So it's extremally annoying when I see people say that
4th gen is legit all the best parts of the previous generations but thrown together and improved on. I love it. I got in to kpop during the 2nd gen so all the other gens have a special place in my heart but I have to say, 4th gen is the best in my opinion. there is something for everyone and all the groups are sooo amazing in my opinion, it's like there isn't something they can't do. lots of amazing talent and i don't say that to say previous gens weren't talented because they were, there's just something about 4th that clicks with me.
This popped up on my recommendations & I rarely watch these videos bc of what u said in the beginning, they’re all the same. But this unpopular opinion video is a solid one! #7 is the hot tea!! Just bc a member writes a b-side doesn’t mean your group is “self-producing” (G)i-dle are not only credited as songwriters but also as composers & arrangers for their songs. They are part of the entire song production and that’s what makes them self producing. **8I’m not trying to diminish an idols hard work for song writing but it’s not the same as being a composer & arranger. We need more idols to have creative freedom***
i still remember how TWICE got so much hate for their cute image especially after they won daesang and bgg during their rookie days and haters said they won't maintain their success for the next years if thy didn't change their concept twice after 5 years : hi i bet most of them became onces lol
I like the I Need U, Run, Save Me, BS&T eras of BTS more so than the new songs but it’s preference. The production quality and visuals are still just as fantastic as ever. Same with Blackpink, I like Whistle, PWF, and AIIYL better than new songs but the new songs are still good. Casual fans are casual fans and we pickout what we like about groups that aren’t our UBs. It’s not that deep. The gen war thing IS annoying. 4th gen fans often make fun of 2nd and 3rd gen as outdated or old while older gen fans pick at things like live singing or variety skills. It’s pretty upsetting to see new fans undermine the impact of older groups AND call idols who are still in their 20s has beens. And as you have said, generalizing 4th gen to be a bunch of dancers is problematic too. Both camps are annoying to a certain degree. Each gen has different appeal and specialties and putting either down shouldn’t be a thing.
the interesting thing about self-produced groups is that sometimes, companies utilize the fact that the group is self-produced as a marketing tactic. How a company markets things does not take away from the actual hard work and talent of these individuals who are producing the music they perform. I have alot of respect for people who can produce and even appreciate companies that allow their idols to do that, but if there's a song that I don't like, finding out that it's self-produced isn't going to make me suddenly love the group or song. I'm saying this because I've interacted with some people who literally say "don't speak on music your faves can't make their own music". like... i don't care who made the song if I don't like it that's not gonna change wtf...
Thanks for mentioning the whole self-producing thing!! I'm a carat and my ult is svt but what caught my attention about them wasn't just that they self-produce, it was mostly about the members' talents and personality + music, and the self-producing factor was just something that added onto my already pre-existing love for them!! But I also stan various other groups who aren't self-producing and I don't think any less of them for it. Self-producing isn't a requirement in kpop. Svt's self-production definitely made me feel more connected to them and their songs since I know THEY are actually the ones speaking through the lyrics, but it's not a requirement to be a good group!!
adding to your 9th opinion: A lot of people also said that GFriend needs to change their concept, but than complain about them changing it and apparently "liking" the "old GFriend" better, when they've been talk shit about their music ever since debut. Fingertip was the first era this happened and during Apple era I saw some people saying the same stuff.
Oof this had to be said. I was never really into Gfriend, but they had a very unique sound. You recognize their music instantly. It's fine not to like a concept change, but it's so annoying when people demand it and then start complaining when it happens. To be fair, I'm more into concepts like Apple, so it suited my taste very well. But in the end, the most important thing is that I want the artists to have fun and feel comfortable. Say that a very cute girl group was forced to do a sexy concept because it's more popular. I'd rather have more of the same cute stuff than have them feel uncomfortable in a concept that doesn't suit them.
I was already half-stanning GFriend before Apple. At that time, Fingertip was my #1 favorite GFriend comeback because it was a 180° turn from their previous work. It was experimental and it was so refreshing, but Apple took over my spot and really solidified the Buddy in me. It was haunting, it was so refreshing, so bold and so... ethereal even. Apart from Dreamcatcher's concept and retro concept, this is *the best* K-Pop concept I've seen of all time. That's why for me, I'm so glad they're changing their concept (Same for Twice. They're already going retro/80s and I'm like *BEECH?* ) that suits me lmao, but that's a popular opinion for sure so hshshdggshshshshsh 😂
I literally HATE 4th gen antis, they’re so annoying and no quirky or different, also how are people gonna say the vocalists are bad if Ningning exists 💀
I really love that thing you said about self-producing idols, especially seeing as a lot of people are constantly putting the title of 'self-producing' on kpop groups that don't really deserve that. And I'm not saying this in a bad way, I just mean that it's not like the groups constantly have a hand in composing, arranging or writing songs, or choreographing dances, and it just doesn't make sense to put certain groups under that label and on the same level as Seventeen or (G)I-dle. I do think it's great though that nowadays a lot more idols are starting to compose their own songs, write lyrics, choreograph or just generally participate more in the production of their songs.
Kpop fans just aren't use to 4th gen type of music. The music in kpop is changing and fans need time to get use to it. Just like 2nd gen, listening to 3rd gen music. It took time for people to get use to it.
i like to credit self producing idols because it gives me another reason to admire them but a lot of people don’t understand that if non-self producing idols didn’t exist then people like lyricists and composers wouldn’t have jobs LMAO how hard is it to not bash 90% of the industry for no reason
I think a popular is "girl idols are more mistreated than the boy idols" like A: they are both hated on by things they do sure it might be different and sure might occur a bit more for women does not mean that they are treated more unfairly they can both be mistreated And popular opinion 2 is "don't compare visuals" but it's like dude it's not like they're calling the other Idol ugly they're just saying they prefer that person's face or that person's figure over the others it's not like they're saying that person is disgusting ugly fat to skinny as long as they don't say that it's fine so stop overreacting over every little thing
BTScrack gotjams nobody ever says the first opinion. And it’s a fact that while boy group mistreatment usually goes unnoticed girl groups have it harder in the industry. Boy groups have it harder when it comes to fandoms and girl groups have it harder in the industry.
@Suga's Hoe ofc I mean I don't mean that the other person is less good looking but what I mean is like it's ok to prefer someone's style or looks over someone else's as long as you stay respectful
The K-Nerd Well it’s still not unpopular. People literally say it all the time. Also why do we feel the need to compare who gets mistreated more and who has it worse as if it’s a competition? The bottom line should be that the industry is harsh and unfair, it shouldn’t be who has it harder.
Unpopular fact about Twice: Twice is an experimental group. Expecting their management to invest on them is like catching ills with bare feet. They are surely improving their contents but JYPE (like any other companies) always aim for a better one. All the bad and good things with Twice would reflect to their future groups.
it's so dumb how itzy debuted literally a year or two ago and people are already demanding them to change their concepts. they've had abt 4 comebacks with the self-love concept ONLY! i love and appreciate the self-empowerment concept because it's promoting a good cause, and each song is distinctive so i don't really see the problem here.
"4th gen bad" Me : *surprised Pikachu face* "JYP is bad" So honestly, I like jyp alot. More then yg or sm (obviously so) and I agree with your opinion. Another thing I need to say about the younger and older kpop fan one is that : it doesn't make you special if you listen to twice before me or if you started listening to stray kids after me, we listen to the group and like the fandoms for the music and it doesn't make you any better of a fan than those who liked the group after you. Same thing with the underrated group and overrated group. They work equally as hard. So it doesn't make you special if you stan an underrated group. You aren't quirky. *Thanks for this video, i appreciate your honesty and this video is great! :D*
i enjoy "self-producing" groups bc i get a taste of their personality in their music, but like good music is good at the end of the day lol no matter who produced it
I feel like K-pop has always been in a sense westernized because even the CEOs of the big three themselves have said that most K-pop is based off of black music. Whether that be R&B, soul, funk, hip-hop, etc. so even though it doesn’t have English lyrics it’s based off of black music (people even called taemin the Korean Michael Jackson so what point are they even trying to make?)
BTW I AM A HUGEEE MOA & “MAZE IN THE MIRROR” IS MY #1 SONG ON THIS PLANET, BIAS IS BEOMGYU, & FAVORITE ALBUM ON EARTH AS OF RIGHT NOW IS “ETERNITY” BY TXT✨😩😭💖
I really hate when people say that kpop is just western pop but in another language. Like come on yes it was inspired by English genres but its doesn't make it the same.
Alright but if anyone says that TXTs vocals are bad just tell them to watch them singing their song live in Genius like seriously they probably sound better live than studio.
The fact that ig I'm the only person, who freakin loves noise music. I mostly see people not liking it, but personally I really enjoy it. :) Also - I CAN SO AGREE TO SOME OF YOUR OPINIONS, like your mindest and all - such an intelligent and polite person!
U forgot to add Stray Kids in self producing groups ;-;. But aside from that, I agree with everything u just said, its sad how ppl who have unique and different opinions get hated on just bc ten year olds dont agree with them
I really appreciate artists who produce their own output, it feels intimate and you can feel that the song has a “soul” in it. It is better, in my opinion. Cause we appreciate the hardwork these artists/idols put. But to say that idol who doesn’t produce their music is bad isn’t right either. Btw I’m an army and I appreciate how seventeen are doing ! They are amazing too💜💜 Even when the company isn’t the greatest at that time, but they’re able to shine due to their hardwork and creativity✨ I respect these artists 😃😃
“Kpop is becoming more westernized” the concept of a boy group/girl group, plus the general style of kpop (such as always needing a rap line or verse) originates from black artists in the west. It’s all Westernized, babes!
It's not a bad thing if people say 4th gen is a big dance competition, dance is my favorite part of kpop its one of the main reasons I got into it. The thing is someone will ALWAYS complain you can never make everyone happy. 4th gen might be a "big dance competition" bc 3rd gen lacked it, I'm not saying 3rd gen are bad dancers they're some of the best dancers, but some groups lacked interesting choreography it doesn't even have to be hard choreography that makes the idols wanna pass out, but it wasn't interesting to watch. For example twice has had some easy choreo but it still made people wanna learn it bc the choreo was still fun to do. Even so some groups in 3rd gen sometimes lacked good choreo cough cough BLACKPINK cough cough, they have a bad choreographer im sorry to say but they do. So I think that's why they pushed dancing so much in 4th gen, buuuut that also doesn't mean 4th gen have bad vocals, and if you think they have bad vocals than you must have something wrong with your ears, bc 4th gen have AMAZING vocals, and rap skills. They all offer something to the table whether it's rap, dance, singing, modeling, or even acting. And yes being a model is a skill bc some people really don't know how too or don't know how to control their facials. So yeah stop trashing 4th gen as if they aren't talented, beautiful human beings.
A unpopular KPOP opinion that I hear way to much is “Lia from itzy is not that good of a dancer” like YALL WE KNOWW! Not everyone in a group is going to be the best dancer, that’s why we have something called positions😃 that’s why Lia is the main vocalist✨
I don't get people who hate on itzy's concept they're literally rookies, plus I'd much rather have a bunch of self-love and confidence songs than more love songs. When I was younger and confused on why every song was about romance and love I'd be told "just wait until you're in a relationship". I've been in a great relationship for almost 2 years now and seriously wtf guys, why are they all about love? Itzy's concept and lyrics are a breath of fresh air imo, plus they've also experimented with different concepts within their distinct sound. Dalla Dalla and Icy were both cheery, brighter songs, while Wannabe was more elegant/refined and Not Shy was a more powerful, intense sound. Just like, let them breathe
The 4th gen hate is so weird to me because they give a lot of hard choreo & dances on top of the idols having a lot of stable voices while doing hardcore choreo , I’m not going to name names but there are ALOT of idols from 2th & 3rd gen that do bare minimum choreo that isn’t that difficult yet some of the idols who are 5yr plus groups & still don’t sing live nor can they stay stable during a performance. But no one really wants to talk about that
Imo the 4g has the best rappers in kpop but yall keep saying is just a dancing competition, like for me soyeon is the best female rapper in kpop, 3rcha best rapline but there are also a lot of rappers in other groups with a lot of potential
They label opinions that are slightly controversial as "unpopular" because they think it's something people are...afraid to say i think? When stan twt is literally full of fanwars because of those exact "uNpOpUlAr" opinions. And some stans deem those opinions as more important or smarter because it goes against someone they dislike. People feel the need to have opinions that target certain groups, that feed into fanwars and that cater to antis, that way they get attention. People would say BP and ITZY need to change their concept, but not EVERGLOW, MONSTA X or idk GOT7. People will drag self production when it comes to BTS but not when it comes to Seventeen or Stray Kids. Unpopular opinions have become a public, acceptable way of targeted hate 95% of the time. That's how i see it. Btw i loved ur video you spilled.
the thing about people who doesn't stan groups that produce their own music is that they wanna be the ones who wanna come for a groups entire discography when their faves don't even produce or write their own music
I feel like it shouldn’t matter if a group writes and/or produces their own songs or not. Bc at the end of the day, groups who do self- write& produce can still make a bad song, and groups who don’t self- write & produce can still be given a bad song. Also, groups who do self produce shouldn’t be put on a higher pedestal. Bc there are groups who simply aren’t allowed to compose their own music. In their contract, they are not allowed.
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unpopular opinion : *we're all biased*
It's true, no matter how much anyone tries no one can be completely unbiased..
@@koloketchup236 exactlyy
that's a fact
Yeah If we were actually unbiased, people would turn our words into hate
@@vanhminglianitochhawng3209 exactly exactly exactly
4th gen is literally just beginning and they’re really expecting rookies to belt 8 octaves high notes or something
Mimi the problem is the best 3rd gen vocalists did start out that good. Take Exo for example (because they’re the strongest vocal group of 3rd gen), ChenBaekSoo even pre-debut would still have been able to outsing most of the industry. I mean their debut song literally has two massive slides and four other high notes 👀, it’s a really vocal heavy song, and their next title track was even harder. But basically the reason people are so harsh on 4th generation vocals is because the groups and vocalists they use for that comparison did start at a higher level than where 4th gen is right now, and that’s why they ‘fall short’.
@@_dont_mind_me Not all 3rd gen vocalists started out like exo tho lmao. I've seen many 3rd gen groups who were not that vocally strong from the beginning as well. I definetly don't think 4th gen are nearly as good of vocalists as 3rd gen groups but please don't act like most 3rd gen groups were perfect from the very beginning. Y'all 3rd gen stans are always bringing down these young rookie groups for not being perfect at singing. They don't need to be at shinee, exo level to be good vocalists. Not every group is going to start out like exo, that's so unrealistic. Let them grow + improve and let us praise them without y'all always bringing them down all the time.
staygold Fun fact: txt were literally the group who got me into Kpop, I’m not some 3rd gen stan who’s only here to hate on rookies, I love those boys so much and every comeback I watch them improve on their vocals. All I meant was when people decide to compare generations, they naturally go for the best in each and that’s why 4th gen always seems to ‘fall short’. Because a company with training as rigorous as SM is always gonna be debuting idols at a higher skill level than companies who prefer to go for the ‘watch them grow’ technique. Both are perfectly fine and I like groups from both generations, I just think that a lot of companies are currently debuting a lot of very young idols who won’t have had the same amount of training as some idols did in the past. I’m not trying to hate, I’m not saying everyone needs to get to exo’s level, I’m not saying we can’t praise 4th gen’s vocals, I was just tying to explain that when people compare generations, not only do they naturally think about how 3rd gen is doing now, but they often compare to the most vocally proficient groups like Exo
@@_dont_mind_me The problem is that 4th gen has barely got any power vocalists. Off the top op my head I can only name Jongho from Ateez. And no I am not talking about someone who can hit somewhat of a high note. I am talking about DK, Seungkwan, Baekhyun, Wendy type of vocalists. There is a group needed with really strong vocals to round the 4th gen out.
Sharon Lang finally someone said about Jongho thank you))
Obviously not an unpopular opinion but I think we need to say it more often:
Kpop needs more kpop×kpop collaborations.
Exactly
Ikr! Especially boy group and girl group collabs
@@momoslayedtbh unfortunately, scandals get in the way because deluds love to make a big deal of everything...
If you're talking about songs, can you imagine the horror of trying to fit two kpop groups onto one song? The entire comments section would be filled with people complaining about line distribution. Stage performances do sound nice, but that's obviously not happening anytime soon... Sounds nice in theory, horrible in practice.
The only example I could think of is epik high's born hater, which doesn't really fall into kpop with artists like verbal jint and beenzino
@@frozie4615 I understand what you're saying. My comment was not detailed. What I meant by saying collaboration was not necessarily two groups in one song
What I meant was something like "eight by IU and Suga"
(Ugh my grammar sucks even this simple comment took a lot of time anyway I hope this was understandable 💫💫)
"''4th gen is a dance competition" ppl say this and then ignore the fact that there are many groups that are heavy in something and not just dancing, for example; txt is a vocal heavy group even tho i dont stan them but i know they are great vocalists, for stray kids i might be a little biased here but tbh they have it all imo, but their rapline shine the most so ill give it to the rapline, ateez is a dance heavy group, they are all good dancers and its a fact... and this is just for bgs, what m trying to say is that the gen just started nd its doing good already so please stop ;-;
Huh I just realised that the three biggest bgs atm are heavily focused on one aspect
Honestly it is but I don’t like how they ignore the fact that 2nd gen was just a singing competition. The only good rap group that I think about when I hear sum1 talk about second gen rap is bigbang. Let’s also talk about how most 2nd gen choreos aren’t good or difficult (except infinite and SHINee)
@Sanaz Zaman eum yea :/ im an ateez casual listener, idk much bout them but the only thing m iknow or more like sure about is that they are so talented!! oh nd i think skz have one of the most all rounders in kpop tho, but yea they are all so talented its crazy-- XD
@@culturedswine4003 THISSS! 2gen was literally a vocal compition, but ppl just love to complain about a gen that literally just started ;-;
SKZ has amazing rap line yes agreed
But 4th gen vocalists are not as good as 3rd gen......only vocalists I can think of are NCT and a Oneus
I like jyp but he gives me a bad vibe, like he’s your creepy uncle
He look pervert some how
@@DEATHWRAITHZ bruh his music..
broo!! i that the same thing too!!
ikr
as a Korean,he looks like every Asian uncle to ever exist
people complaining about groups like BTS, Blackpink or SuperM releasing music in english, as if they are the first ones, when the biggest 2nd gen groups like SNSD, BigBang, 2ne1, ALL have released songs in english, as early as 2011.................
Ikr 😂😂
and when monsta x released an album in english they got so much hate from a certain fandom
Victoria Black An album is very different from just a few songs/versions of songs. Intention also matters. Creating a whole English album seems like a way to get western validation
Lily Rose so what if they want to break into the western market, doesn’t make them any less kpop. And it’s cool they release songs in English since their fanbase is international and that way they can understand and sing along to at least some songs.
since it's 3rd gen of course they're going to hate.
off topic but all the “unpopular” opinions are actually popular but if someone has an actual unpopular opinion people find it weird and start bashing the person like what-?
rightt
#FACTS
This is very very true. I've found some good videos that actually had unpopular opinions that left me feeling like ''what? You really think that? I don't agree, but interesting take.''
One other thing that I have noticed is that people are quick to call these opinions ''hate'', while most of them are literally just innocent but unpopular opinions. Unless it's like ''idol X should leave group Y cause they are ugly'', but that rarely happens.
ikr
Zimzalabim outfits are great 🤡
I *hate* it when international fans say "Oh, this group only has international fans because they're *SO* underrated, and Korean fans have *NO* taste what so ever" ( I was just over exaggerating). Come on, I see it in every music video and usually, it's for clout and begging for likes in disguise, but no one cares what ethnicity/race their fans are, as long as they're a fan, then they're a fan. End of discussion
The one you said is a little bit okay compare to 'Like if you are an international (insert fandom name)' or something resemble to that. I get annoyed by it everytime.
@lana_moon I SAW ONE OF THE TOP COMMENTS LIKE THAT ON EVERGLOW'S DUN DUN-
the "Korean fans have no taste" is so popular among insomias (dreamcatcher stans) it's annoying.
dumb bitch very annoying I hate it
@MsSunhappy Yeah, not to mention international fans spread trends easily (in platforms like tiktok and stuff), and when it comes to kpop, theres no overexaggerating when i say it spreads worldwide
honestly i don’t think that we should even being saying which company is the worst, we really don’t know what happens behind the scenes and it’s obvious that companies like yg are shat you don’t need to say it
Army’s or kpop fans in general would be like,are you talking about Bts or behind the scenes.Not trying to be rude sodtdniel
sheila liu behind the scenes
softdniel thanks
I agree
All of them are shit
I never understood the whole "Kpop is becoming westernized" opinion since the roots of kpop was inspired by western music to begin with. How do you become something you always were?
Exactly. Some people are really just digging for reasons to bash k-pop, everyone’s hopping on the hate bandwagon 😪
@tigerlily⁷ Goes to show how incredibly inaccurate their comments are
Sis say it louder, kpop is always westernized, they are clearly INSPIRED by western music industry 😶 people need to be educated-
Yk what I tell those who say that, go listen to Korean trot then
@@virginiawoolf974 K-Pop music was started as a mix between American pop/hip-hop and Korean trot music.
i actually really like 4th gen, not only because they're closer in my age so im not following people like 10+ years older than me, but i really like dancing. Dancing was the first way I really got INTO into the kpop community.
So i think the dancing aspect is great for me.
And not only that but just because a lot of 4th gen groups dance REALLY good, but there are a lot of 4th gen idols who are gems in vocals.
i used to be a stan in second gen, mainly with snsd and shinee, but got bored in like 2012 (there wasnt a lot of content in my language and i was 13 and dumb so it made sense at the time lol), in january i got back into it bc of a (pretty underrated) fourth gen group (onlyoneof check them out if you can) and just fell into the hole again. theyre all good groups, 2nd gen stans just enjoy feeling superior for being here for a long time lmao
What are some 4th gen Kpop groups I wanna check some out
@Local Clown I'll check them out thx
@cOoKies thank you! I actually already listen to stray kids and I'm slowly becoming a stray =)
@rachel k I'll check them out as well thank you!
i think self producing groups are cool and if they get really famous and popular, they get paid a shit ton in royalties. like billions of won. so if they get really good they REALLY get it good
(G)I-DLE is actually slowly getting popular, if they keep going at this rate they will be extremely rich indeed!
@@inferiorinferno8859 racist group
Anshika Yadav how are they racist?
@@ferret-kc3zv How are they racist????????
@@ferret-kc3zv ?
“Not only because I love to complain”. Lol that’s so me. Complaining is my life lol. 😸
complaining is actually so fun isn't it
complaining is letting your true feelings out so i enjoy it as well lmao
kpop next door imao
Relatable. I kinda think people talk crap about me about complaining too much 😯😑🙄
Yes, the drama
"4th gen is like a dance battle, making noise, bad vocalist"
smirks in moa
Wheezes in yeonbin, taegyu and baby huening exist
You know whats scary about TXT? They haven't even shown their full potential yet...they haven't had extremely fast rap verses or a dance break (aside from the like 8 seconds one in drama) With other groups they have already shown all of their potential. With TXT, you have no idea what to expect. And I freaking love it :)
@@malakasaad8561 sis did u just exposed them-
@@s6rrtt Perhaps 👀
laughs in hueningkai soul
2nd gen purists will say “k-pop is too westernized these days” as if groups like 2ne1 and big bang didn’t base most of their music off of early 2010s american edm like black eyed peas… there’s always been western influences, and it’s not a bad thing!
@@indah8415 EXACTLY.
@@indah8415 literally, the group that basically created the concept of kpop itself was known for being hiphop ☠️
@@indah8415Literally 💀
“4th gen is bad” is the Ctrl C+ Ctrl V of “3rd gen won’t live up to 2nd gen” from 10 years ago...but look what 3rd Gen did for the kpop industry
Facts
exactly!!
SAY IT LOUDER 👑👑
facts and there are so many 4th gen groups killing the game right now
Exactly! I actually prefer 3rd gen music rn but give 4th gen some time and they’ll pull through. Many people forgot that 4th gens are like 1 year olds and many other 4th gen groups have yet to make their debut. Times change and evolve and so do people and their tastes
I just want to say, as a 3rd gen stan, 3rd gen stans are just as annoying as they think 2nd gen stans are. You’re not special because you think your generation is the best, that’s normal.
True!!!!
This 👏
You cant tell me 2nd gen stans aint the most annoying solo stans you ever seen and no im not a 3rd gen stan im a 4th gen stan
This is some seniority lol 😂 2nd gen stans be like : “ 3rd gen will never be the same level with 2nd gen “ “ 2nd gen is the best, 3rd gen could never “
And now when 3rd gen has a junior ( 4th gen ) they’re like :
“ 4th gen is the worst “ “4th gen vocals are bad“
I mean... Can we just relax and see their growth cause THEY JUST START TO GROW FFS 😫😂
Btw I’m coming from the 3rd gen stans era, not all of us judge 4th gen like that but some of us do.
Unpopular opinion videos are actually so annoying.
i thought of the same too but i still watch them😳
@XiaoHenYang supremacy lol same when someone say that they unstan a group, people say that no need to make huge video on it for whom u unstan no need to say , but sometimes these unpopular opinion aren't even unpopular they are literally a hate thrown at a group indirectly, like how these kinds of narrator's say that these groups should do this but not that etc etc etc , they don't even know what the groups suffer at the back that they don't see , and they are human group not robot groups that whatever u will say they will do that
I really don't like this kind of videos
I see you everywhere damn
@@radioactivepi734 ikr I need help dude
Wait then why are you here
I hate it when some people say mamamoo is underrated but they really aren't (I'm not trying to say they are overrated or anything)
yeah they're really appreciated in sk
I feel like they found a good place in the industry. I wouldn’t consider myself a full-on moomoo, but I do think that they know what they’re doing.
Idk... I think in some ways they are. No hate, but they honestly have great vocals yet they are overshadowed by other girl groups often. I listened to a song of theirs the other day and was a little surprised that they weren’t more popular actually. Idk if I stand them, but they are talented
@LDS SHAY Yeah, agreed.
@@lunarialoonatic mamamoo is popular in older and mature audiences that are not much active on social media.
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Felix's Friend Wouldn't Give Him A Raw Egg YOUR NAME LMAO I AM DEAD 💀 Also hey stay!!
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While this is not exactly an opinion, I think many k pop fans should learn to give compliments without the negatives. Like I’ve seen sooooo many people write comments like “omg how does anyone think that this idol is ugly, they are really beautiful.” In my opinion, It is a way a bit of a backhanded comment. instead, i feel like we need to just say what we like about our favourite idols and not the mean parts.
I totally agree. I love reading comments on music videos, but when I try to read them on the Maria music video, most of the comments I see are similar to the one you pointed out.
@@hallyuinquisitive YES THANK YOU! like they are literally making things worse instead of fixing
HallyuInquisitive thank you! These people give way too much attention to something that is so petty and not that serious. It’s annoying. I swear some moomoos literally victimize Hwasa, trying to make it seem that half of the kpop fandom is trying to get her when that’s not even remotely true
Yeah i dont like these either. I remember like on wannabe everyone kept saying "why does everyone say lia is lazy but she is ..." like just dont mention it? Just say something positive without bringing up negativity.
strongly agree !
so many 'unpopular' opinions really give me the entitled fan vibe.
Most creators who make “unpopular opinions” content act as if the entire industry is gonna change because they point out problems they have with it.
bro yesssss! i sometimes feel as if people who create these kinds of videos act like they are so entitled to say whatever they want and then complain about others doing it in the video. i fr dont like the stuff they say about some of the opinions because they’re not all super offensive or problematic, which is what they make it out to be like. they always act like everything other people say about the opinions they talk about are mean and rude, smh.
@@sanhaworld7311 exactly?? and like, of course, some opinions are totally valid and no one has a say in whether you post them online or not, and a lot of them are perfectly true. but sometimes it's like dude, just calm down and listen to the music, support the artist. having an opinion is fine, but raising it over someone else's head, especially another member of a community or an ARTIST?! like chill, you are being nasty. that isn't an opinion, that's judgement.
*especially the things like "i don't like bts" or "i don't like jennie" or "this comeback sucked/didn't deserve the hype" like okay um. one, saying you don't like someone for reasons like "i don't like their expression" or "they don't seem like a nice person" or "this member is privileged" is horrible! all artists in the kpop industry work hard at what they do and never deserve those kind of comments on them! and two, the artists will always work hard to deliver on a new comeback. yes, a lot of the time, companies don't promote and that looks bad on the artist, but what people forget is that the artist practices lyrics, tones, dances, has to go through HOURS through to DAYS of work for things like that. imagine what really popular artists like exo or snsd or twice have to memorise? thousands of words, pitches, rhythms, dance moves, sequences they have to practice now that they're well into their career? pulling the "little effort" excuse on a comeback should never be pointed at the artist, because they ALWAYS practice for it no matter what. that is their JOB. as entertainers, that's their duty because if they don't, they don't get employed.
thank you 😔
@@wooberry2056 YOU SPOKE MY ENTIRE MIND OMG TYSMMM, and the fact that their thumbnail always has to have that oNE opinion and the title being, "my unpopular kpop opinions that is (insert an adjective that is bad but its not rlly bc its my opinion and i do what i want lmfao plus im gettin that fame)" ofc some of them aint but like lets take "mY oFfEnsIve oPinion" for example, it literally has the word offensive innit 😭😭
@@stellaa9864 YEAH. "OFFENSIVE" IS SUCH A STUPID WORD TO USE. god i get sick of it.
even tho u want me to disagree lmao, im gonna agree with your last point that people need to realize that unpopular opinions are unpopular and you shouldn’t send hate to creators because u don’t agree with it. like then that defeats the whole purpose of you watching the video. u clicked on it thinking you would hear some new, respectful opinions, yet people get mad when they don’t agree with an opinion on the video. youre not supposed to agree with them...its unpopular for a reason
YES EXACTLY thank you
I like your channel :>
And we really should normalize normal kpop opinions like they said in the video, like I just wanna respectfully debate with people, I don't wanna see people bashing artists because they dont like them and screaming at me for disagreeing with them.
This! I pretty much made a video about Loona, and some orbits were PISSED off just because I said I don’t vibe with their music. The hate they’ve sent me was so ridiculous 🤦🏽♀️
Just because you think you'll find some opinions you agree with doesn't mean you will.
"its unpopular for a reason", either people don't realize it, don't care, or disagree. So what? Just because it's unpopular doesn't mean the population is 1, like anyone who makes an unpopular kpop opinions video can agree with some of the "unpopular" opinions.
I'm sick of hearing that "4th Gen is a big dance competition" like :v Y'all wanna know why they are now more focus on their dancing? It's because the majority of 3rd Gen groups got criticized before cause of it, I have friends who are 3rd Gen Stans and even before I become a kpop fan they keep saying how badly their faves are being criticize by netizens especially in dancing & live performances. Weak Vocals? Why so quick to generalize when the whole 4th Generation are still starting? There are a lot of great vocalist on this Generation (not to discredit other vocalists of the past Gen (3) but they are not only into high notes). I keep seeing toxic 3rd Gen Stans commonly comparing them to those 3rd Gen vocalists who always keep doing high notes, like if u can't do it ur considered as a bad vocalist which it should NOT. Y'all must know that music changes Everytime, that the word "Generations" exist cause it means a NEW START, not exactly a carbon copy of the last one.
Edit: Noise? Don't act like EDM wasn't done by the majority of 3rd Gen groups in which 2nd Gen started and became an influence to this present Generation's music. Yes, there are a lot of types of EDM and maybe u don't realize it by now but maybe the song in which u adore the most are like that :> NOT TO MENTION THE MOST MEMORABLE SONGS OF 2ND GEN ARE MOSTLY EDM SO🥴
Ikr!!they'd be like how to hate on those specific groups and I don't need to say the names they got nothing to hate on so they came up with"noise music""overdance"and ppl start using it as trend to only these groups lmfao and I'm sick too of hearing that stupid phase like have they heard of jongho for example or a main rapper snatch vocals like han or changbin for example🤦♀️
Edit: automatic sub to u, ur comment is so amazing 🥺🥺✨💕
It’s like they don’t realise that “noise” is an actual genre of music and just because they may not like it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Vocally 4th Gen is weaker than 3rd Gen and that's a fact. People tend to think that because in 4th Gen there aren't great vocalists, but only good vocalists. If you compare 4th Gen vocalist with 3rd or 2nd Gen vocalist in their rookie days you will still see a huge difference. Right now there aren't 4th Gen vocalist that can be compared to EXO main vocalists (probably they can't be compared even to Suho that's just a lead vocal), Super Junior KRY or Btob. And saying that 3rd Gen vocalist are just high notes is completely wrong. 4th Gen doesn't have great vocalist
The reason why all of u think that 4th Gen is weak in terms of vocals is because of the concept and music style they are getting into. In this Generation of K-pop the majority of groups are now more into EDM/Rap/Hiphop type of music in which they can't really fully show their vocal skills. Everybody is aware of how powerful SM's vocalists are, and I'm waiting for their new GG to debut cause in terms of vocals they are the one who is leading in every Generation. But saying that there is no great vocalist in 4th Gen is a no.
Take Treasure for example, before they even debut, everybody can clearly see how great their vocalist are but they decided to go with a EDM type of music in which their vocals can't really fully show, that in my opinion is their strength as a group. TXT, they are one of the few groups on this Gen that is more focus on their vocals but some of their songs can't really show their full potential as a vocalists. The Boyz, ONEUS and so on. Remember they are still starting, there are a lot of new groups who will still debut. It's too early to say things like that.
In every Generation there are always what fans called "weak point" though in reality it isn't, more like "not focusing into", keep that in mind.
Edit: not because they aren't focusing on that aspect they are consider weak on that point :>
@@zaynaaa0325 The type of songs clearly doesn't help showcasing their vocal abilities but still, in terms of pure tecnhique, 4th gen lacks great vocalists. And by great I mean vocalist that can be ranked in the same tier as Wendy, SNSD TTS, TVXQ Changmin or the ones I mentioned before and right now there aren't. There are good vocalist but not great
Bruh taehyun's vocals... I just can't get why everyone's literally using it as a bed YALL SLEEPIN ON HIM... Anyway TXT's vocals overall r just *chef's kiss* PERIOD.
(don't talk to me unless you've heard some of their songs and covers (if you really didn't listen to some of them wtf?))
Agree chef's kiss
TXT, rap, vocals, dance are all the definition of perfect even though they didn't even show their full potential yet. Stan TXT, stan all rounded, kings, respectful, talented and tall idols.
@@malakasaad8561 Bruh.... I legit think of that all the time especially beomgyu... Like all of em we mightve seen like 30% of their potential in sumn but beomgyu, literally like less than 10% the beomgyu I've seen in boy in luv cover is DIFFERENT wtf man(also basically all of em in boy in luv hit different, but the stage presence tho *covers face*). Anyway TXT 4th Gen kings and princes....
(i also wanna add that taehyun's vocals yall he's legit my favorite vocalists of all time not just in kpop but generally and I just think he's one of the best vocalists out there, his abilities bruh I'm still shook can't wait for the future:) )
Also this is just vocal, rap and dance don't get me started on producing their own songs and writing them..I'll ball my eyes out every time I listen to them.
Taehyun said one of the songs he wrote made it in this next comeback and hopefully we get a producer gyu song.... (I'm sorry for being annoying but wtf why was soobin voted as best rapper and that clip of him rapping... everyone's talking sht rn but a few years from now and everyone who isn't a moa will cry about not stanning earlier..just sayin😔)
@@j3ansie That last part though, you literally speak in facts.
JYPE boy groups are literally suffering specially. GOT7 members youngjae and yugyeom have sassaengs that threatening their life but jype doing nothing, they do not even promote got7, poor youngjae had his FIRST photoshoot in 2020 after these 8 years FOR THE FIRST TIME even aghase sending led trucks didnt change jype mind and we are desprate that even got7 japanese MVs dont have any subtitle even those from 5 years ago and the programs too. ugh day6 got7 deserve more. stray kids are overworked too
Yes I agree.
Btw what's GOR7😂😂😂😂
@@shanticilli6537 oops sorry lol
Don't forget JYP debuting a bunch little boys in BOY STORY and then just hiding them away forever
Big 3
@@DN-fl9jm thats ridicolous and i dont think its about how old the group is and got7 is not an old group, again if groups will age one day then consider TWICE, they have english sub for their all japanese releases and all of their little videos and 6 years later they may consider an old group so guess what, their stuffs still have the sub, so it does not make any sense and its not related to how old or young the group is. got7" i wont let you go " and " new era" are pretty recent releases and still dont have subtitles so what about that? . its all about mistreatment honey, jype is a doing got7 and boy groups really dirty
Imagine saying that 4th gen has bad vocalists when txt is a thing
Also IZ*ONE, The Boyz, Stray Kids
@@onlyydivine exactly. Like hun listen to these people
@@applepeel6613 PERIODT 😤
yall forgot ateez
@@amulyaa5453 omfg YESSSS kings
I feel like line distribution lowkey does matter but at the same it’s not that serious. Like if the song is based on rapping I wouldn’t really want the vocalist to be rapping since their voice wouldnt fit the concept.
Yeah. Sometimes it’s annoying tho. Like when people complain their favorite is being mistreated and under appreciated when he or she are last place by 2 seconds or some stupid shit. It also makes sense that rappers have less lines then the vocalist considering that a song wouldn’t really be considered a pop song if it was all rap. Of course, rappers deserve recognition and lines, but people shouldn’t expect them to dominate the song. It’s also hard when there are a lot of members, like in TWICE and BTS where it’s hard to evenly distribute lines in a 3 minute song amongst many, which is why there are songs where some members are kind of in the bottom, but there are also songs at the same time where these same members shine.
Bottom like people shouldn’t complain so much, unless the number is a HUGE amount. Like if a idol said like two or three lines in a small group. Other than that I don’t think lines really matter... sometimes it’s not about the amount of lines it’s about how the idol sings them, like sometimes I’ll be surprised when a member has the least amount of lines when their voice stuck out the most. So I get what you mean... it should matter in the case of fairness but it shouldn’t be a huge issue.
LDS SHAY right!! I was hoping I made since but you made a good point.
chuuchu right I don’t really care about line distribution because it might be hard to add all of the members into certain songs. Just as long as the members aren’t being forgotten. I find those types of videos annoying too.
ikr? i used to think lines are important but now that i think abt it,, i think they pick members that has a voice that FITS to sing that song!
@@stellaa9864 most groups do, which is why it’s annoying when people get so fed up about it
also people tend to hype up self-production as a response to the idea that kpop is manufactured, and because groups who self-produce get control over their artistic output in a way that a lot of other groups don't
Which is so untrue, as I found many groups have input in their music, at least on the choice of song. Or in the case of rappers, any rapper I researched in a group writes their own raps from as early as debut. So this whole notion people have that "self-produced is better" is based on a false truth. Kpop is no more manufactured than western pop music.
It’s always been a bit topic within music as a whole because people think that if music isn’t written by the artist it lacks legitimacy. Which is why pop music in general tends to be heavily criticised.
@@ccsbm208 very true. i also feel like the way kpop debuts and comebacks are structured also factors into this, since it can make the whole process seem very superficial, but the truth is every artist works their ass off and not all of them end up succeeding, just like in every other music industry
MsSunhappy I’ve never understood the feeling of superiority they have cause they don’t listen to “manufactured bubblegum pop”. Music’s all about enjoying yourself why can’t the music snobs just let people enjoy what they want.
@@ccsbm208 EXACTLYY im so tired of people thinking popular music is automatically bad and the less known artists are automatically better
people who say "4th gen bad" clearly don't stan girl groups💔
amy :/
Me who thinks that the 4th gen is good but only stans 4th gen bgs:👁👄👁
@@eyevee4446 same ,they clearly don't even bother to look at 4gen bgs then they make them as "bad" I-👁👄👁
yup. like nothing against bgs or their stans but i feel like girl groups are just so much more versatile and can appeal to everybody
yall girl group stans kinda hurt lmao- like that sounded offensive, no offense smh.
i think " visual should not be a position/visuals is not important " opinion is an overused opinion
And 2nd and 3rd gen stans say that 4th gen is bad and it has changed but if 4th gen was as same as 3rd and 2nd gen, then they would complain that 4th gen is same and its not fun.
the thing is that they can never truly have people satisfied, but people will prob get over it in like 3 years lol
Period. And 2nd gen stans always call the 4th Gen a dance competition as if 2nd gen wasn’t a whole ass singing competition. And at least most 4th gen groups have at least one decent rapper (can’t say the same for 2nd gen)
cultured swine ‘one decent rapper’ yeah changbin djsjhdjsjs
They are called Generations for a reason, it should not be a carbon copy of the last one. I don't get why many kpop Stans don't realize it :v
skz owns my heart uwu
I said AT LEAST one. But skz has multiple strong rappers
People need to stop sleeping on TXT, all 5 are very good singers, dancers and rappers.
Their comeback is on october 26th ! They will show more of their talents. (Personally hoping for rap heavy song, soobin is said to be really good at it. And an accapella song !! )
And day6 too!
Honestly they are underrated. Even those who ‘stand’ them say that they only get hype because they are from Bighit and are ‘brothers’ to BTS. When in reality txt are their own people and stand out on their own!!!
Ikr!
I have to say this girl. You said all 5 are singer, dancers and Rappers. But I've only seen Yeonjun rapping till now. Just because they don't have officiall position doesn't mean that they are all rounder. I mean they can be all rounder in future but not in the present.
Yes, their vocals are so good.
I prefer Beomgyu's vocals over Taehyun.
His voice is calm and I can listen on repeat. Taehyun's vocals is kindaa seems forced to me. Yeonjun is vocally great but I want him to do more on rapping. He gets most lines as he sings and raps too. Nothing wrong with doing both but if other members can do then they should also get chance too.
I used to be Moa (just a casual listener now) so yeah i have heard discography of them.
Reason I quit stanning because it more felt like they are so into (Or Bighit making them) the concept, that whole Universe thing that I didn't feel connected to them anymore.
I already had taste of theories etc. with BTS and watching TXT do same was No for me.
I hope as time passes by they get chance to show their skills and improve it too.
@@stargirI777 lol okay. So taehyun didn’t rap hobis part in boy in luv then? Hueningkai didn’t rap in dope? Beomgyu was practicing the fos rap behind the scene during the comeback show (eternity)? The only one we haven’t seen rap is soobin and taehyun said in an interview that he is good competition towards yeonjun. Soobins has said before he is good at rapping. Bighit is clearly prioritizing showcasing growth with txt. They were trained to do a hip hop concept, so we will have to anticipate that. Yes some member are better in certain eras bc for example taehyun is more interested in singing then in rapping, and yeonjun is really interested in rapping (writing his own raps and all). None of the members lack in anything, the are way above average kpop dancers, singers and rappers. They don’t focus on raps, so obv if their is 1 rap part it will go to yeonjun bc he is the most confident in it. They don’t need unnecessary raps like other groups. I don’t know why you are bringing up taehyuns vocal bc obv you can prefer another members voice, but taehyun does have the best technique and is the most stable. Professional vocal coaches who actually know what they are saying have said he has the best technique too. Idk what you were trying to do here, but I don’t care for you opinion bc professional have said otherwise. And abt theirr theories you can literally ignore it, their songs are so good, theories only make it more fun and interesting.
If you care enough check this vid out by a professional vocal coach who ranked their vocals : th-cam.com/video/v_WBNPMv_-8/w-d-xo.html
Btw yes I am a girl, but assuming someones gender can hurt people, so leave that out next time
Self producing groups are AMAZING. It gives me another reason to love and stan them. I honestly love self producing groups, but that doesn't mean I hate non self producing groups hahha
If I’m being honest, kpop ALWAYS catered to the west. It was made to appeal to the west, and even then, a LOT of their styles were very similar to American styles ever since it started. So it confuses me when people say “kpop is too western”
Exactly like if you listen to some of 1st gen songs that sound like every other early 2000s rnb song. If you go back and listen to some of snsd and after school’s songs from 2009-2012 they sound like something Britney Spears would’ve released at the time. Kpop has always been heavily influenced by the west I don’t know why people act like this is new and it’s not necessarily a bad thing.
The whole concept of performing on music shows/music banks was literally what western girl groups did back in the 90s. They performed on MTV and on radio stations and on TV shows in order to promote their song (tho they hardly ever do that, not to mention that western music groups are kinda going extinct in the first place). The word idol comes from the western word of calling artists “superstars” and “pop idols”
I can’t say catered but they had a mission to bring the west music to Korea.
4th gen idols are literally setting new sky high standards ESPECIALLY since supposed to be rookies and are slaying at such a young age
*This*
*cough* Itzy *cough*
yes YG doesn’t give your faves enough comebacks but have you heard of newkidd? If your answer is “no” please stop talking about YG being bad. 1) Youre faves not being hospitalized for 5 months 2) They are treated as humans
Newkidd is a 7 member group with half of the members missing but the company says they’re hospitalized for the longest time ever. Yes YG isn’t the best but it’s not the worst you may now sit down
Nadia Henderson same! I have heard of a lot but I felt terrible for newkidd cuz one of my friends told me about them while crying
Nadia Henderson oh noooo I never heard of that! YG srsly isn’t mistreating their artists...
ᗩ ᕼOᒪY CᕼILᗪ OF ᘜOD yeah, I don’t know the members names but some of them have been “hospitalized” for months, and newkidd fans are srsly angry about it
YG thing isn’t mistreatment it’s mismanagement. What’s happening to NewKidd is mistreatment
THIS. I'M CRYING BECAUSE NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU, I HOPE MORE PEOPLE SEE THIS
Here's my unpopular opinion that not many people know nowadays
Every kpop group, either boy or girl, is unique in their own way and doesn't need to change unless change ***NEEDS*** to happen, but that usually is not the case
I agree!
I actually really don't mind Itzy's self love songs. I actually really like it.
Romantic Love Songs are overrated and boring.
We need more love songs about self love and platonic love because in 2020, we're slowly moving into an age where romantic love isn't as important and self love + platonic relationships are becoming more and more important.
so i hope that if Itzy wants to change concepts they totally can, but they shouldn't feel like they have to change concepts because people don't see love songs about romance.
Who needs the straight love songs anymore anyways, theres plenty of that shit around, we don't need any more lmfaoo
i really do like what they're doing and if they are forced to change concepts and start singing about how finding a man to love makes you feel complete, I'm not gonna lie I'd feel a little sad and disappointed. These girls have such a nice concept of of love that isnt romantic love and there truly isnt enough songs that dont talk about romance
a couple of love songs are okay but i hope they never completely ditch their self love songs.
A lot people say that self love is underappreciated but the moment Itzy does songs about having confidence, suddenly its overused ?? like make it make sense luv ✨ almost every song is a love song about romance and no one bats an eye but the moment a self love song comes out, suddenly after that they have to change their concept ??
if a whole group wants to have their music based around how to love yourself and expand on things that you could do once you love yourself, that should be fine
Its a trend these days to hate on jype girls ...... especially itzy coz some delulus claim itzy is copying their faves ( who have been stuck on same concept for years )
I like what itzy is doing rn ...... They can later anytime change into other ( over used ) concepts
they can just say they hate women feeling confident and go, at this point. im not an itzy stan, but their music is so much fun, catchy and empowering!
People love love songs too but I agree
@ᗩ ᕼOᒪY CᕼILᗪ OF ᘜOD ...we already have those and what's wrong with using gender pronouns it doesn't hurt anyone it's just a love song
Yes!! Songs about platonic relationships are so awesome and I would also love to see songs talking about breaking platonic relationships!!
"4th gen groups have weak vocals"
me: **laughs in stay**
imagine saying 4th gen is bad when a whole stray kids exists
i stan both non self producing and self producing groups. i feel that i do have a better connection with groups that do self-produce, but i appreciate non self producing groups too!!! a lot of idols don't get the opportunity to be a part of production (some of them don't want to lol) and that's fine. but for a group like seventeen who had to (practically) organically create their own career with lyrics, production, and choreo.. there's something special about that - it might be easier to feel a stronger connection bc you can see how dedicated and hard-working they are in a different manner relative to idols who are only performers. this is why i feel a stronger connection to an artist like taylor swift relative to a vocalist. both artists and vocalists/dancers/performers are equally as talented as another, but listening to music and watching performances while knowing that your faves created what you're hearing/watching just hits different. and that's okay.
PEOPLE COULDN'T INCLUDE TREASURE BECAUSE THERE'S NO BAD ABOUT THEM STAN TALENT STAN TREASURE!
Finally a comment talking about them😢👏🏻
AGREEDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!
I honestly don't see what's so wrong with 4th Gen having such great dances. Like, I wanted to start stanning The Boyz *because* of their dancing. Then I come to find out that TBZ has extremely amazing vocalists and rappers that just blow my mind. Dancing can actually lure people to start liking a group which can make that person see even more talent in that said group. So yeah, I rly don't see the problem with this whole dancing situation...
exactlyyyy sometimes the dancing is what makes fans interested in a group (also hi fellow deobi :D)
Did you see their Checkmate performance? I really liked that one.
@@i.nv.u
I’ve seen all of RTK lmao. I’ve watched the whole entire show, including the other amazing groups too. So yeah, I’ve seen that one and I recommend checking out the others too 😄
Yesss
I also noticed that these opinions are said a lot and it’s kind of getting annoying.
i admittedly don't listen to a ton of 1st/2nd gen kpop, but 4th gen has so many talented vocalists
Right? Loona and gudle are killing it in the vocal department. Chuu,Haseul,Jinsoul, Miyeon and Minnie are the vocalist of 4th gen. And I don't even stan both. I am a third gen stan.
1)I prefer their newer music but i hear this opinion far to much
2)4th gen literally just started like can y'all give them a break
3)Obv who gets the most or least is kinda important but unless it's really bad for example loona's vivi get's dust don't complain
4)It's a fact wbk
5)JYP is trash just like the rest of the big 3 companies
6)Someone said it
7)I personally don't mind if someone does self prouduction but yh i agree with what u said
8)Dating bans in my opinion is bad but when ppl say things like this it doesn't make sense
9)If they change there concept ppl will get mad if they don't ppl will get mad u can't win
10)Agreed
the 4th gen of kpop is just a dance competition and the vocals and the rap is weak"
I'm sorry but that just rude , y'all were saying that the 2nd gen kpop stans were annoying but look at you now huh you all turned into✨🤡✨ their rap is so lit just take a look to mcnd,cravity, TXT yeonjun's rap is so special like wtf he is so talented but y'all find it "weird" sweetie that the proof that you only Stan the same kind of rap over and over again. TREASURE's hyunsuk trained for 7years,and this boy is way too talented, he has one of coolest rap I heard in the kpop, Yoshi and haruto were literally japanese rappers who trained to become idols!! How about Yeji? Ryujin?! They slayed every era with their iconic rap verses, Stray kids rap is superior and no one can change my mind, soyeon! One of the best rappers in kpop,Yena from iz*one has a very nice rap too! For the vocals I'm just so shooked by the fact that everyone is saying that "4rd gen vocalists are weak" do you ever heard of jongho from ATEEZ? Taehyun from TXT?the iz*one members?Minnie from (G)idle?huh??! Their vocals are awesome there's no word to describe how their vocals are lit. And no need to talk about TREASURE's vocal line CUZ👏🏻THEY👏🏻HAVE👏🏻THE👏🏻BEST👏🏻VOCALS👏🏻E.V.E.R. I know I will get hate about this but I'm sorry TREASURE have the best vocals 4rd gen in my opinion. So yeah 4rd gen is the revolution PeRiOdT
Sour candy wow sis snapped
@exo and bts will conquer the world periodt Omg- I'm sorry 😖.I was going to write the best vocals in the 4th generation- I hate my keyboard 🤡 but yeah obviously! Exo don't really like kings in this area and I know what I'm saying since.I Stan from KokobopI Stan from KokobopI Stan them from Kokobop, and it's my ult group after blackpink, i do like BTS's vocals but in my opinion jungkook's are superior.It doesn't mean that I don't like other vocalists but jungkook has the voice I like the most. TREASURE have the best vocals in the 4th gen (boygroup),and one of the best in the kpop (in my opinion), they're like so young tho the oldest member have only 20years old I think you should check some of their covers cuz sometimes even the rappers can sing high notes i suggest you this one th-cam.com/video/mV9-REbGB00/w-d-xo.html but there are sooooo many others.
*Taehyun from TXT
@exo and bts will conquer the world periodt She literally said they had the best vocals in the 4th gen in her reply, learn to read.
@exo and bts will conquer the world periodt omg can you please stop fighting 😣 we already know EXO are the vocal kings the poor girl did only a little mistake by writing "in kpop" intsead of "in the 4th gen".And even if she would have said TREASURE had some of the best vocals in kpop why would we have to point it out to her? Everyone has their own tastes and opinions and it's not the same for everyone^^'.
in my opinion the 4th gen is fine the way it is. I used to think it was too westernised and not enough cute things but 2nd and maybe a bit of 3rd gen already had cute so now it's time for dark concepts to shine, this is coming from a person who enjoys both, however there should still be some cute concepts and other concepts as well because variety is good, and I can't only listen to one type of music since my mood changes a lot.
I don't see why people are complaining about 4th gen being a dance competition. 2nd gen and 3rd gen are just vocal and rap battles respectively but no one complained. 1st and 2nd gen doesn't have much dance so why can't dancing finally get to shine? Y'all want kpop to be dance-free? Kpop is known for its dance and tbh I want it to be that way.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion. The 2nd Generation was a well-balanced Generation. If you look at the top 10 girl groups from the 2nd Generation, they all had different concepts, e.g Snsd, 2NE1, wonder girls, SISTAR, Apink, 4 minute, fiesta, secret, EXID, bestie, the grace, and more. Whereas the late 3rd gen and early 4th gen have very similar concepts and sounds. Because companies really want to enter the Western market.
The 2nd wasn’t focused on vocals if you really look at it, but a group had amazing top tier main vocalists, from the beginning of their careers. (Not even most 3rd gen can surpass them to this day) I know the 4th Generation just started and I am not expecting anything major, but when the 2nd gen and 3rd gen debuted the main vocalists were literally killing it.
Also, I have noticed that it depends on which groups are leading the generation. ITZY and EVERGLOW (dance-focused) are leading the 4th generation, they have relatively weak vocal except for Lia, Mia, Siheyeon. Therefore 4th gen gets labeled as a weak vocalist, but BVNDIT, Weeekly, Cherry Bullet have great developed vocals. The same thing with twice and Blackpink leading the 3rd gen, there was an argument of how good vocals have gradually decreased over time. But during the 2nd Generation, you had SNSD leading which had exceptional vocals, but then you had Wonder Girls and 2NE1 leading, but they didn’t have the strongest vocals, but there were no negative responses on how the 2nd gen having weak vocalists.
Yes, there is a major problem if idols focus on dance. K-pop is a “music” genre, you need vocals and rap over dancing any day. An album that are selling thousands-millions is generally vocal focused, not dance.
You right the 4th Generation doesn’t need to change because the companies are just making what is hot right now, which performance through dance and facial expressions.
NIKKI kpop isn’t a genre I don’t know how many times people have to say it. It’s an industry. The music is only one part. There’s 2 parts. The idol and music part and the acting part. The idol and music part isn’t just about the music it’s about the entertainment which is why some idols get added into groups for their personality. Part of being an entertainer is being a performer which is why 4th gen is so dance focused, part of being a performer is singing. Singing and rapping are the last part of it. And I don’t think people realize that. What people need to understand is that while yes 2nd gen vocals were really good at debut, the industry was rather new back then, the industry was a lot more free and less controlling. Idols were allowed to make mistakes back then but nowadays one mistake and everybody hates you and thinks you’re bad or lazy. Kpop idols nowadays aren’t really allowed to explore their weaknesses. If they were I can guarantee you they would be a lot better at singing. But like you said they are still new. They will get a lot better over time maybe not as good as 2nd gen but a lot better. And btw Everglow and Itzy are not the ones leading 4th gen. The ones leading 4th gen are Iz*one, Loona, Everglow, Itzy, and G(idle) and there are a lot more recently debuting. Like cignature, Rocket Punch, Secret number. And they are honestly not as bad at singing as people act(as a whole).
The real westernisation was from 1st to 2nd gen or the creation of kpop.
The K-Nerd I consider the 4th Generation to start in 2019, not 2017-2018 which is when Loona, I-DLE, izone debuted. That’s why I use ITZY and EVERGLOW.
I disagree with the industry being tighter, if anything it’s looser. It has become so tight when it comes to beauty standards. I mean if you look at most visuals in kpop they have very similar features.
We have more minors than before, wearing inappropriate clothing and tweaking or doing some inappropriate dances. You have the slight normalization of the LGBT+ community, having girls almost kiss on screen, touching their private zones, having more idols come out(by the way I am bisexual so I have nothing against the LGBT community)More cuss words. More sexy dances. More female empowerment songs. More songs about depression. Rookie producing their own music. They have Instagram early in one's career. More interaction with fans. Having girls groups produce their music. More idols are opening their own companies. More soloist. More solo activities from groups and so forth. More couples and dating without it being a big scandal. The 4th Generation has way more freedom than you think.
The problem is you have less vocal developed groups. Let’s take twice for example at the beginning of their career there was so much hate during the cheer-up era, then people said they are rookies give them a chance. So that’s what people did. Was there hate? Yes but that hate was soon directed to Blackpink. Anyways we’re 5 years in and Twice is the nation's girl group and they only have 3 well-developed vocalists out of 9. So people say people like them because of their personality, but the media is not stupid neither blind nor deaf. People are going, to be honest about how inconsistent a performer you are in your career. Does twice deserve the hate? Not one bit. But you will never see them in the conversation of vocally talented groups.
I think what kpop stans and companies even idols themselves need to understand is not everyone falls victim to “personality” There are super talented people out who have great personalities but don’t get in because they don’t fit the standard of beauty. Which exposes the ugly truth of not just kpop but the world. The produce series is a prime example.
So yes I agree with you kpop is an industry, it’s all about the market and money. It has become more evident with more companies entering into the mix and wanting success, their groups tend to become formulaic. Kpop is losing its creativity because of that. You end up seeing over the years weaker vocalist, and idol rappers over because of it. Then you have more people pointing that out, thinking that the world's or industry’s standard is becoming high but in reality, companies are producing low-quality idols. You going to end up having more Selenas (no offense to her) and fewer Beyoncés.
@@michelleliang7545 Same it makes it more relatable and easier for me to like
Imagine saying '4th gen bad' when a wholeas$ TxT exists...
But in general tho, most 4th gen groups are doing good. 4th gen groups keep going.
YESSS 😩 TXT IS TALENTED ASF 😭💖
"4rd gen is bad"
Also that people: stans itzy, txt, skz, ateez-
*triggered*
Also treasure CHECK THEM OUT
And The Boyz^^
YESSS TXT!
TOMORROW X TOGETHER
Unpoplar opinion: It has a reason why you don't order other music in generations. Music is an evolution. So saying something about one specific generation is kinda dumb.
just some 4th gen groups that y’all should check out! weekly, txt, itzy, secret number, 1team, gwsn, gidle, nature, izone, stray kids, ateez, mcnd, purple kiss, bvndit, 3ye, everglow... (loona officially debuted in 2018 but their first appearance was in 2016 with heejin solo ‘vivid’)
I'm happy to announce that you have TASTE.
@@andrikfelix6507 oh thanks
E’last
My opinion on kpop becoming westernized is that kpop has always been westernized because kpop is literally inspired off black culture like kpop just copies off black culture and without us there would be no kpop. So it's extremally annoying when I see people say that
4th gen is legit all the best parts of the previous generations but thrown together and improved on. I love it. I got in to kpop during the 2nd gen so all the other gens have a special place in my heart but I have to say, 4th gen is the best in my opinion. there is something for everyone and all the groups are sooo amazing in my opinion, it's like there isn't something they can't do. lots of amazing talent and i don't say that to say previous gens weren't talented because they were, there's just something about 4th that clicks with me.
I was introduced to K-POP in 2011, and I cannot agree more with you.
Honestly, the salt towards those generic "unpopular k-pop videos" is immaculate and I'm 100% here for it!
"4 generation is so bad"
Everglow: "got no time for haters" . La di da
This popped up on my recommendations & I rarely watch these videos bc of what u said in the beginning, they’re all the same. But this unpopular opinion video is a solid one! #7 is the hot tea!! Just bc a member writes a b-side doesn’t mean your group is “self-producing” (G)i-dle are not only credited as songwriters but also as composers & arrangers for their songs. They are part of the entire song production and that’s what makes them self producing. **8I’m not trying to diminish an idols hard work for song writing but it’s not the same as being a composer & arranger. We need more idols to have creative freedom***
but Stray Kids self produce really good songs too 🥺
Im a girl
Ikrr
What does u being a girl have to do with anything LOL
No hate tho 💅😌💅
Ur a girl so what? Not tryna be rude but why does it matter...
@@shaikmastaniunnisa8836 Maybe something to do with pronouns?
i still remember how TWICE got so much hate for their cute image especially after they won daesang and bgg during their rookie days and haters said they won't maintain their success for the next years if thy didn't change their concept
twice after 5 years : hi
i bet most of them became onces lol
I like the I Need U, Run, Save Me, BS&T eras of BTS more so than the new songs but it’s preference. The production quality and visuals are still just as fantastic as ever. Same with Blackpink, I like Whistle, PWF, and AIIYL better than new songs but the new songs are still good.
Casual fans are casual fans and we pickout what we like about groups that aren’t our UBs. It’s not that deep.
The gen war thing IS annoying. 4th gen fans often make fun of 2nd and 3rd gen as outdated or old while older gen fans pick at things like live singing or variety skills. It’s pretty upsetting to see new fans undermine the impact of older groups AND call idols who are still in their 20s has beens. And as you have said, generalizing 4th gen to be a bunch of dancers is problematic too. Both camps are annoying to a certain degree. Each gen has different appeal and specialties and putting either down shouldn’t be a thing.
the interesting thing about self-produced groups is that sometimes, companies utilize the fact that the group is self-produced as a marketing tactic. How a company markets things does not take away from the actual hard work and talent of these individuals who are producing the music they perform. I have alot of respect for people who can produce and even appreciate companies that allow their idols to do that, but if there's a song that I don't like, finding out that it's self-produced isn't going to make me suddenly love the group or song. I'm saying this because I've interacted with some people who literally say "don't speak on music your faves can't make their own music". like... i don't care who made the song if I don't like it that's not gonna change wtf...
Thanks for mentioning the whole self-producing thing!! I'm a carat and my ult is svt but what caught my attention about them wasn't just that they self-produce, it was mostly about the members' talents and personality + music, and the self-producing factor was just something that added onto my already pre-existing love for them!! But I also stan various other groups who aren't self-producing and I don't think any less of them for it. Self-producing isn't a requirement in kpop. Svt's self-production definitely made me feel more connected to them and their songs since I know THEY are actually the ones speaking through the lyrics, but it's not a requirement to be a good group!!
adding to your 9th opinion:
A lot of people also said that GFriend needs to change their concept, but than complain about them changing it and apparently "liking" the "old GFriend" better, when they've been talk shit about their music ever since debut. Fingertip was the first era this happened and during Apple era I saw some people saying the same stuff.
Oof this had to be said. I was never really into Gfriend, but they had a very unique sound. You recognize their music instantly. It's fine not to like a concept change, but it's so annoying when people demand it and then start complaining when it happens.
To be fair, I'm more into concepts like Apple, so it suited my taste very well. But in the end, the most important thing is that I want the artists to have fun and feel comfortable. Say that a very cute girl group was forced to do a sexy concept because it's more popular. I'd rather have more of the same cute stuff than have them feel uncomfortable in a concept that doesn't suit them.
I was already half-stanning GFriend before Apple. At that time, Fingertip was my #1 favorite GFriend comeback because it was a 180° turn from their previous work. It was experimental and it was so refreshing, but Apple took over my spot and really solidified the Buddy in me. It was haunting, it was so refreshing, so bold and so... ethereal even. Apart from Dreamcatcher's concept and retro concept, this is *the best* K-Pop concept I've seen of all time. That's why for me, I'm so glad they're changing their concept (Same for Twice. They're already going retro/80s and I'm like *BEECH?* ) that suits me lmao, but that's a popular opinion for sure so hshshdggshshshshsh 😂
I literally HATE 4th gen antis, they’re so annoying and no quirky or different, also how are people gonna say the vocalists are bad if Ningning exists 💀
I really love that thing you said about self-producing idols, especially seeing as a lot of people are constantly putting the title of 'self-producing' on kpop groups that don't really deserve that. And I'm not saying this in a bad way, I just mean that it's not like the groups constantly have a hand in composing, arranging or writing songs, or choreographing dances, and it just doesn't make sense to put certain groups under that label and on the same level as Seventeen or (G)I-dle. I do think it's great though that nowadays a lot more idols are starting to compose their own songs, write lyrics, choreograph or just generally participate more in the production of their songs.
Kpop fans just aren't use to 4th gen type of music. The music in kpop is changing and fans need time to get use to it. Just like 2nd gen, listening to 3rd gen music. It took time for people to get use to it.
i like to credit self producing idols because it gives me another reason to admire them but a lot of people don’t understand that if non-self producing idols didn’t exist then people like lyricists and composers wouldn’t have jobs LMAO how hard is it to not bash 90% of the industry for no reason
I think a popular is "girl idols are more mistreated than the boy idols" like A: they are both hated on by things they do sure it might be different and sure might occur a bit more for women does not mean that they are treated more unfairly they can both be mistreated
And popular opinion 2 is "don't compare visuals" but it's like dude it's not like they're calling the other Idol ugly they're just saying they prefer that person's face or that person's figure over the others it's not like they're saying that person is disgusting ugly fat to skinny as long as they don't say that it's fine so stop overreacting over every little thing
BTScrack gotjams nobody ever says the first opinion. And it’s a fact that while boy group mistreatment usually goes unnoticed girl groups have it harder in the industry. Boy groups have it harder when it comes to fandoms and girl groups have it harder in the industry.
@Suga's Hoe ofc I mean I don't mean that the other person is less good looking but what I mean is like it's ok to prefer someone's style or looks over someone else's as long as you stay respectful
@Suga's Hoe fun fact actually kpop was made in around the 80's or 90's
@Suga's Hoe yea lol it's probably happened to everyone before
The K-Nerd
Well it’s still not unpopular. People literally say it all the time. Also why do we feel the need to compare who gets mistreated more and who has it worse as if it’s a competition? The bottom line should be that the industry is harsh and unfair, it shouldn’t be who has it harder.
"4 gen is bad"
And then there's me who stan so many 4th gen groups😁
STRAY KIDS, CRAVITY, ITZY, ATEEZ, TREASURE and many more....❤️
Unpopular fact about Twice:
Twice is an experimental group. Expecting their management to invest on them is like catching ills with bare feet. They are surely improving their contents but JYPE (like any other companies) always aim for a better one. All the bad and good things with Twice would reflect to their future groups.
it's so dumb how itzy debuted literally a year or two ago and people are already demanding them to change their concepts. they've had abt 4 comebacks with the self-love concept ONLY! i love and appreciate the self-empowerment concept because it's promoting a good cause, and each song is distinctive so i don't really see the problem here.
Dalla dalla: teen crush
Icy: teen crush
Wannabe: teen crush
Not shy: teen crush
Mafia in the morning: Girls crush
"4th gen bad"
Me : *surprised Pikachu face*
"JYP is bad"
So honestly, I like jyp alot. More then yg or sm (obviously so) and I agree with your opinion.
Another thing I need to say about the younger and older kpop fan one is that : it doesn't make you special if you listen to twice before me or if you started listening to stray kids after me, we listen to the group and like the fandoms for the music and it doesn't make you any better of a fan than those who liked the group after you. Same thing with the underrated group and overrated group. They work equally as hard. So it doesn't make you special if you stan an underrated group. You aren't quirky.
*Thanks for this video, i appreciate your honesty and this video is great! :D*
i enjoy "self-producing" groups bc i get a taste of their personality in their music, but like good music is good at the end of the day lol no matter who produced it
I feel like K-pop has always been in a sense westernized because even the CEOs of the big three themselves have said that most K-pop is based off of black music. Whether that be R&B, soul, funk, hip-hop, etc. so even though it doesn’t have English lyrics it’s based off of black music (people even called taemin the Korean Michael Jackson so what point are they even trying to make?)
Black Culture Paved the way!
if we're talking about self-produced songs
*let's start with maze in the mirror, shall we??*
Yes😏
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I really hate when people say that kpop is just western pop but in another language. Like come on yes it was inspired by English genres but its doesn't make it the same.
“4th gen groups lacks in vocals”
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Same i think they've never heard BEOMGYU'S VOCALS
SF9
Alright but if anyone says that TXTs vocals are bad just tell them to watch them singing their song live in Genius like seriously they probably sound better live than studio.
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BAHAHAHAH SAME SAME LOL HUGE MOA HERE✨
about that line distribution part I agree but some idols has been in that industry for so long and they still don't get lines like winwin
*"And SM has lawsuit after lawsuit"*
*-I almost choke on my food HAHAHAHAHAHA*
The fact that ig I'm the only person, who freakin loves noise music. I mostly see people not liking it, but personally I really enjoy it. :)
Also - I CAN SO AGREE TO SOME OF YOUR OPINIONS, like your mindest and all - such an intelligent and polite person!
Same^^
Noise music is LIFE
90s/2000s kpop sounds like 90s western pop. Kpop has always been westernized in one way or another.
YES EXACTLY
12:03 i mean i just think that in a 6 or 3 year career you should switch it up a lil bit so i wouldn’t really call it hate
I love the amount of Red Velvet fancams
U forgot to add Stray Kids in self producing groups ;-;. But aside from that, I agree with everything u just said, its sad how ppl who have unique and different opinions get hated on just bc ten year olds dont agree with them
"self-production isn't better":
me:*laughs in carat*
I really appreciate artists who produce their own output, it feels intimate and you can feel that the song has a “soul” in it. It is better, in my opinion. Cause we appreciate the hardwork these artists/idols put. But to say that idol who doesn’t produce their music is bad isn’t right either. Btw I’m an army and I appreciate how seventeen are doing ! They are amazing too💜💜 Even when the company isn’t the greatest at that time, but they’re able to shine due to their hardwork and creativity✨ I respect these artists 😃😃
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me: laughs in army, carat, stay, myday, neverland
Laughs in Neverland *since 2018*
“Kpop is becoming more westernized” the concept of a boy group/girl group, plus the general style of kpop (such as always needing a rap line or verse) originates from black artists in the west. It’s all Westernized, babes!
i'm so sorry luv but i had to rewatch the video bc i was just str8 vibing to the 1BV instrumental
It's not a bad thing if people say 4th gen is a big dance competition, dance is my favorite part of kpop its one of the main reasons I got into it. The thing is someone will ALWAYS complain you can never make everyone happy. 4th gen might be a "big dance competition" bc 3rd gen lacked it, I'm not saying 3rd gen are bad dancers they're some of the best dancers, but some groups lacked interesting choreography it doesn't even have to be hard choreography that makes the idols wanna pass out, but it wasn't interesting to watch. For example twice has had some easy choreo but it still made people wanna learn it bc the choreo was still fun to do. Even so some groups in 3rd gen sometimes lacked good choreo cough cough BLACKPINK cough cough, they have a bad choreographer im sorry to say but they do. So I think that's why they pushed dancing so much in 4th gen, buuuut that also doesn't mean 4th gen have bad vocals, and if you think they have bad vocals than you must have something wrong with your ears, bc 4th gen have AMAZING vocals, and rap skills. They all offer something to the table whether it's rap, dance, singing, modeling, or even acting. And yes being a model is a skill bc some people really don't know how too or don't know how to control their facials. So yeah stop trashing 4th gen as if they aren't talented, beautiful human beings.
Alot of people call them "unpopular" opinions to cover up the pure fact its litteral bullying
I actually really like a lot of 4th gen kpop groups like Itzy and TXT and am trying to memorize Stray Kids member's names lol 🤪✌🏻
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I hate when people say stuff like: OffEnsIvE un popular opinions. So like your trying to be mean for clout? Ok...
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Same
Imagine saying 4th gen has bad vocalist, noise music and bad dancing when a whole txt exists 💀
A unpopular KPOP opinion that I hear way to much is “Lia from itzy is not that good of a dancer” like YALL WE KNOWW! Not everyone in a group is going to be the best dancer, that’s why we have something called positions😃 that’s why Lia is the main vocalist✨
I don't get people who hate on itzy's concept they're literally rookies, plus I'd much rather have a bunch of self-love and confidence songs than more love songs. When I was younger and confused on why every song was about romance and love I'd be told "just wait until you're in a relationship". I've been in a great relationship for almost 2 years now and seriously wtf guys, why are they all about love? Itzy's concept and lyrics are a breath of fresh air imo, plus they've also experimented with different concepts within their distinct sound. Dalla Dalla and Icy were both cheery, brighter songs, while Wannabe was more elegant/refined and Not Shy was a more powerful, intense sound. Just like, let them breathe
"4th gen has bad vocalists"
izone, loona, txt, ateez, treasure, oneus, cravity: exist
The 4th gen hate is so weird to me because they give a lot of hard choreo & dances on top of the idols having a lot of stable voices while doing hardcore choreo , I’m not going to name names but there are ALOT of idols from 2th & 3rd gen that do bare minimum choreo that isn’t that difficult yet some of the idols who are 5yr plus groups & still don’t sing live nor can they stay stable during a performance. But no one really wants to talk about that
Imo the 4g has the best rappers in kpop but yall keep saying is just a dancing competition, like for me soyeon is the best female rapper in kpop, 3rcha best rapline but there are also a lot of rappers in other groups with a lot of potential
YES
I don't think the same about Soyeon, but you spilled the tea.
(Soyeon is one of the best rappers in kpop, but Jessi queen)
They label opinions that are slightly controversial as "unpopular" because they think it's something people are...afraid to say i think? When stan twt is literally full of fanwars because of those exact "uNpOpUlAr" opinions. And some stans deem those opinions as more important or smarter because it goes against someone they dislike. People feel the need to have opinions that target certain groups, that feed into fanwars and that cater to antis, that way they get attention. People would say BP and ITZY need to change their concept, but not EVERGLOW, MONSTA X or idk GOT7. People will drag self production when it comes to BTS but not when it comes to Seventeen or Stray Kids. Unpopular opinions have become a public, acceptable way of targeted hate 95% of the time. That's how i see it. Btw i loved ur video you spilled.
the thing about people who doesn't stan groups that produce their own music is that they wanna be the ones who wanna come for a groups entire discography when their faves don't even produce or write their own music
I feel like it shouldn’t matter if a group writes and/or produces their own songs or not. Bc at the end of the day, groups who do self- write& produce can still make a bad song, and groups who don’t self- write & produce can still be given a bad song. Also, groups who do self produce shouldn’t be put on a higher pedestal. Bc there are groups who simply aren’t allowed to compose their own music. In their contract, they are not allowed.