1965 Corvair 500 Service - Work Begins on Dirty Airy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ย. 2024
- Well, we've got to start somewhere.
In this video we will start digging into this Corvair and see what we will see.
Video clips from Unbroken and one of the Dirty Harry movies....not sure which one. My mom disapproves of my young eyes watching such things.
An air conditioned 500 is something you don't see every day. In '66 the condenser was miniaturized and moved into the fresh air chamber giving better access to the engine components. The '65 & earlier A/C Corvairs are hard to service. Good move to have a look under the blower housing. Corvair aficionados affectionately call it the turkey roaster.
Glad you took the advice to evict all the mouse nests! A 500 with AC is a rare car and deserves to be saved. Those nests have ruined many good engines by overheating. One of the great things about Corvairs is the lack of water means they’re often still in good running shape since the cooling system rot problems aren’t there. I think the advice to leave off the AC while get it running reliably well is good. If you decide not to reinstall there are a lot of desirable AC parts that others need to convert their cars.
Good to save this one. Blower bearing will give you trouble eventually. Some people have had luck lubricating, but best to change, since you had the shroud off. Good job so far.
Lifter noise is common, they’re hydraulic and lay on their side, so when the engine stops, whichever lifter has pressure on it, the oil will leak out, and you’ll get lifter noise on start up, but its easy to pull the lifter out on that car. You’ll can drop them out and clean and soak them. But you’ll need a half of a valve cover to adjust them, because you have to do it while its running.
My Great Uncle was the “Corvair tune up tech” at a local Chevy dealer. He had a 66 with a/c. I definitely would reinstall. Rare option definitely worth the time and trouble. I loved to drive my Cousin’s vair back in the day. Good luck , love the color, looks great!-
Just adjust the valves. My 1964 was a little loud valve train. Never got hot. Love the a/c unit. I have a case of r12 if you have no leaks. I got my r12 running on my 1969 AMC AMX 390. I HAVE THE GAUGES IF YOU WANT TO BARROW IT. GOOD LUCK. LOVE KEEPING THESE ON THE ROAD. NEAL
The new orings for those motors make them bulletproof. I had the 1964 convertible in college and it never let me down. Only oil leaks. Love you can drive as you retore this car. Congrats on your find. Neal 1969 AMC AMX 390.
I just found your channel, love the restoration on the Corvair! Anxious to see updates!
I’m subscribed now!
Glad to have you aboard! God bless her and all who sail upon her. lol
The first thing that needs to be done, is seal off all the open A/C lines. After you get all the maintenance completed, then put the A/C system back in and try to get it functioning. It is a part of the car. It apparently is a rarity. If the system is not able to be gotten functional, then maybe consider sidelining it. But those are just opinions.
Jayhawker, you asked for our opinion, so I want to offer this.
Over my years I've seen a too many vintage cars that had fallen into the hands of basically, hacks. That's a sad thing to see for what would otherwise be a nice car. The purpose of owning and enjoying a vintage car is what it represents from the time it was manufactured and having that transcend down to you. That means the purest driving and ownership experience can only be had by retaining and or replicating a vehicle's factory build. In short, as it came from the factory to its first owner. Any changes to that will dilute the factory correct experience. An example of alterations from that would be resto-mods. Once the engine, powertrain and other parts have been replaced by those from glossy catalogs, what remains is a vintage flavored car that isn't anything like what it started out as. That's OK when such changes are made to Mustangs and Camaros, those cars tend to be favorites to modify and there are plenty of them around to do so. In other situations, such as with your Corvair, that falls into a category that there are so few around that the best thing to do is keep it OEM.
I say this as I expect that when you decided to buy the Corvair your intention was to own and enjoy a true vintage experience. Keep that in mind. Second to that is owning a historically correct car that one day will deserve to be in a museum. The altered cars and the hacked-up ones too, won't deserve that and eventually will be junked for the metal they're worth. Because the fashion of altered parts from a catalog will no longer hold any interest, nor will the few remains of what the car had originally come with.
I admit that I'm a purest when it comes to vintage cars. And I'm proud of it, because viewing the correctness along with a genuine driving experience, just can't be replicated. And we owe that to those in the future. Keeping a vintage car OEM correct, requires a brain, thought, and study. Anybody can open a glossy catalog, point, and then buy parts that don't belong.
Thus, my recommendation is to do your work to keep your Corvair OEM correct. If cost is a factor than let the air conditioning hang until you can afford to do it. Otherwise, follow through and reinstall it to working order. Don't allow the blockage to bother you. The engineers at GM knew what they were doing. And the correct version of AMSOIL will keep the hottest engine safe. So too, you'll have it for those hot days that Kansas will have. I know, I lived in beautiful Kinsely Kansas for about nine months.
I've subscribed because I want to enjoy your working through this project. Respectfully, discerningmind.
Thanks for your opinion and comment. If you are new to my channel and plan on watching more videos you will find that I too have a passion for keeping my projects original. If I climb into a '55 Chevy, I want all of my senses to experience what it was in 1955. Although as in the case of my '86 GMC I guess I don't have a leg to stand on as I am putting a '62 327 into it instead of the 305. Usually if I do any mods at all, it's through the use of period correct factory accessory parts. And of course materials available and the budget have much to do with it.
@@TheJayhawker Very good. Thanks for that. Yes, I'm new to your channel. Now I have a clear understanding.
I would not delete an A/C system, but that's a personal choice. A/C equipped Corvairs are rare and the option adds cachet to your car.
My friend had a brand new Spyder, that thing was just bad to the bone, I loved it, beautiful little convertible which he ordered..
Pam The 66 Chevelle is my favorite, and I have owned three of them. My first brand new car.
Great Find, a 500 with A/C has to be very rare. Back in '65 my father and I were shopping for his second Corvair and he blanched when he saw the engine compartment of an A/C Monza! Needless to say when he ordered one it didn't have A/C.
At the Corvair Ranch an A/C car was having an engine rebuilt because a loose compressor had pulled on the crankshaft hard enough to cause both main bearing and harmonic balancer damage. Jeff said that he'd seen this happen more than a couple
of times. Your Pass. side carb is most likely for a car without A/C since '64 up they used a different air cleaner setup which only needer one hole. Keep up the great work!
Ahh, your starting to connect the dots for me! Of course that's why I have that air cleaner. Thanks for the thoughts, I appreciate it.
The lifter noise is a corvair thing that with driving goes away, I have had 11 vairs over the years and they all clatter with lifter noise but within 10 miles of diving it always goes away unless your bearings are shot
I would remove the a/c temporarily until the engine (and the rest of the car) is up and running to your satisfaction then I would restore/reinstall it. I understand that continuously removing and reinstalling it would be a pain while getting the car back to useable and dependable condition, but once it’s running well, why not keep and utilize a nice and also rare option. It will also help the value and “sell-ability” of the car; should that day ever come.
Well said, Brian. I want to add that it looked to me like the condenser box can be unbolted, but leaving the hoses in attached, and lifted up and off to the right. I'm pretty sure the GM engineers would have it that way for service.
I agree with Brian I would do the same
I like the aftermarket four tube intake manifold with a four barrel carb over the fan, the crappy part is the intake ports on the factory stuff, four carbs with shared intakes is nuts on a six banger
OK, so the antifreeze thing has been a Corvair joke for years and years... But the thing a lot of folks forget - It does have thermostats! They are like a choke thermostat, and actually are important for warm up and heating in cold weather. And you showed them! Yeah, if they are springing, they are probably OK... I used to use a heat gun to see if they moved.
I like watching this I'm from north carolina my dad had a car like this car
Paul here. A plate over the holes for the carbs should be used.
Looking good 👍👍 I’ll be coming back for more
I know nothing about Corvairs, the TH-cam algorithm sent me here, but I will say, if you, a guy who owns other Corvairs has never seen a factory AC car, that means it's pretty rare. Bolt that thing back on and show it off. Also You dug through like four layers of parts to get down and pull the plugs from the engine, you bought new AC delco plugs for the engine, you then regapped the old plugs and put them back in? The right thing to do would have been to replace the plugs, then put the old ones back in the new boxes, put them on the shelf and never look at them again, "just in case".
From what I have read people recommend adjusting the rockers whist hot and running with cover off and not by the manual instructions
Very Nice car I enjoyed your video
Great video.
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Good luck buddy see you soon
Nice touch at the end
I would keep the a/c system but upgrade the condenser to the '66-'69 style which still leaves the engine area open !
was going to say that,,,my 67 works great an out of the way,,,
I think a wrench came off the blower and came through the sheet metal from what they left in the blower. It never came off the ground. If ya'll shot blast the fins with walnut shells it will help cool, or several brake cleaner cans.
I am working on a 65 that has air conditioning as well. This has been removed till I get the engine up and running. Then I will use a 67 condenser rather than the 65 as they mount in front of the engine on the firewall. You should replace the shroud.
New to your channel. My channel is mainly old vintage outboard motors but I had VWS in my 20's let's say a few years ago😁 Anyway, if had the room would find one of these someday
I agree with the other commenters who suggest leaving the AC unit off. However, just store all of the parts in a safe place that can be given to the next owner. Regarding the 1965 AC unit, I'm guessing that the AC refrigerant is no longer available or possibly is expensive or banned. I checked to see if a modern day electric AC unit is available from Vintage Air or one of its competitors. I was thinking about one of those electric AC units for my 1972 Dodge Dart. I couldn't find one for a Corvair. Perhaps one of the existing replacement AC units could be modified for your Corvair.
Great video!
I would 100% get that AC working...but that’s just me. I’d get a lot of satisfaction from figuring it all out and cruising windows UP on those hot Kansas summer days.
Check yer push rod tube seals! They are the major oil leak problem with these cars . I am not sure but I believe they have improved on these seals. the original ones got hot hardened up cracked and would leak. The sad part about this is that they could have had a good seal like VW but these were a penny cheaper. Good lookin old Corvair. I got a 66 140hp convertible for the wife to drive.
Liked the video, love the name. Regarding the A/C I'd let it off for now & see how things go next summer before making a decision. So, for me, I say let it off -- go ahead, make my day. The engine sounded pretty decent from what I could hear but, yeah, needs a little TLC. I'll be here waiting for the next one so, in the meantime, keep your powder dry; keep your stick on the ice; & if the ladies don't find you handsome make sure they find you handy.
howdy jayhawker keep them coming
Good progress!
Make sure that the new heater hoses doesn't rub on the axles. The wire in the hose will cut right through the axles.
Nice car with a wonderful factory a/c. I seen some owner and dealer installed units that look like total hack jobs, so this one is a keeper. I'd leave all the a/c parts in place (except maybe the condenser). Less chance of them getting misplaced.
Great video thank you for sharing. I would leave the. AC unit off And save for the future 😊👍
Love the car, quite an underrated car visually! Just so you know, no one in England speaks like Dick Van Dyke !! 🇬🇧🇬🇧
lol, yeah I know!
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The MCCA has a lot of the hard parts that people need in Witchita. If you are close you should get involved in the club.
For corvair parts, try Clark's Corvairs in MA or Corvair Ranch in PA
I believe Clark’s auto parts is in Shelbourne Falls Massachusetts. Great resource for Corvairs.
@@walterchristen4502 you are correct.
Show more on this car I love it thanks
On your rounded bolts try dressing them with a file to a smaller size (even if its metric) till you can replace them.
A/C is a rare find in a Corvair, and yours seems complete. Don't scrap it!!
never!
I have an odd question, how are those comfort grip red and black craftsman screwdrivers holding up for you. What are your thoughts about them.
They are doing the job and have held up ok in the 1-2 years that I have used them. My 20 year old regular craftsman screwdrivers were showing their age and I found these on sale so I bought them to supplement the old set. But craftsman isn't what it was and they are what they are. My 50 year old S&K screwdrivers on the other hand still look great.
@@TheJayhawker as far as the red craftsman I saw a you tube video on them and how they made the handle, they went all out on them. I know the first round were made in china but then they started making them in Taiwan and I got a set of them,so far been impressed. I have a small engine repair shop and the#2 philips fits the little screws in 2 cycle carbs really really well as do the acetate handle Taiwan craftsman drivers. I was hoping to hear good about them since tbey moved them to Taiwon. I also got a set of 1/4 taiwon deep well sockets when they changed them last year from china. They have the best looking chrome of any socket I have seen other than my newer s k sockets, the tolerances are good on them also. But later this year they will have the new USA made stuff out from the texas plant I am holding high hopes for those. I am a tool nut so follow and notice strange things i suppose. I have been collecting a few older green acetate screw drivers from S K but they are proud of them on eBay.
desde San JOSE Uruguay me gusto tu trabajo y el automovil corvair 1965 x estar origuinal de fabrica pero YO le arreglaria el Aire CONDICCIONADO ya que es el origuinal SIGUE CON TUS VIDEOS , Gracias
just subscribed to your channel i like it
Glad to have you aboard!
I would definitely remove the condenser. The engine needs too much to have all that hidden. The engine blower looks really dirty and a mouse nest under the sheet metal would really be bad.
I would make the sure the engine was mechanically sound and road worthy and then reinstall the A/C. Please do you won’t regret it! P.S. keep up the good work!!
We had a 63 spyder convert in family inn64
Maybe you could put the AC condenser in the trunk, and make it work that way.
personally. I think the ac is a cool (no pun intended i swear lol) bit of history. It helps make that car unique. It hides the engine. But at the same time. Its something most have never seen and will never see. So its a mixed bag. Its cool in its own right. But if anything maybe just put it back in for looks. Later on you can fix it if you want. Or not. But yea i have an 87 suburban with no ac lol so i get it either way. 🤣
Put it back the way gm.made it. That car is very rare I worked for gm.and they only made 46 of them with air
I enjoy all the projects.
Must admit this is a favorite.
Any more thoughts on your son's truck?
Thank You for taking the time to make these videos!
Not sure where we are headed with that one. I would love to throw a 250 or 292 into it just for fun. Kinda looking like we're heading in another direction for a vehicle for the guy.
@@TheJayhawker
Certainly understand that.
Thank you again for your willingness to share with all of us!
The car will run cooler if you block off the fresh air hose on the right side of your shroud. You can still use your heater is you install a low profile air filter on your heater motor.
I don't think that is recommended. From my understanding, putting an air filter on the tempered-air inlet of the heater box will turn that inlet into a heater "exhaust." Especially when the heater fan is off. On this particular car, however, that heater fresh air hose in the engine compartment with the rip does need to be replaced. Otherwise, the cooling fan air that should be going over the cylinders escapes through the ripped hose and just goes in circles, affecting engine cooling. And I agree with many here, get the AC going and convert to a later model condensor that doesn't mount over the engine.
@@xXcampx Hundreds of Corvair owners have done it with no negative results that I know of. Just make sure you don't have an exhaust leak. I did it on my 65 and it cools more efficiently. However, shrouding the oil cooler and installing a finned aluminum oil also help a great deal. There are a few threads on the forum that are dedicated to that specific topic. Good luck!
Greetings from Australia, I have never seen one of these cars or engines before. Did Chev make this engine or was it another OEM engine they jadapted. Looks a lot like an engine out of a Porsche to my untrained eyes
Yes, it's a GM designed and built engine although I'm sure much inspiration came from Porsche. Chevy Manager Ed Cole was an engineer at Cadillac during WW2 and gained a lot of experience on rear drive tanks. The first road test mule for the engine was put into a Porsche 356. Thanks for watching!
I hope you have gone through the carbs by now
Save the AC. They are so much more valuable and you can still convert it to R134a or maybe even a Sanden compressor for someone who really wants an AC Corvair.
A rodent discharge vent..😂. I missed out on a red Corvair with a white convertible top by 5 minutes some years ago.
You’re missing the fan belt guide on the top shroud (two bolts between the oil dipstick and breather tube). I have spares. Send me a message and I’ll get one sent out to you.
Perhaps there is a modern ac unit that will retrofit, maybe Subaru?
Clarks corvair parts have all the parts you need
Because I'm a novice I gotta ask, doesn't that thing just chew up belts? The one that twists and goes around the fan?
They can be hard on belts. Its really important to get the correct size. NAPA may have the right length, but it may be the wrong crossection. Also important not to over tighten. Should be able to spin alternator fan with a couple of fingers. Someone else mentioned the missing belt guide on the top shroud. They should both be in place.the second one is on the idler pulley. Downshifting can be hard on the belts also. I ran mine really hard in high school and dont recall repetitive problems. Im sure I ate one at least, but I ran it pretty hard. Under normal driving they last a long while. One should always carry a spare and tools to replace. And if the gen light comes on, shut down immediately.
They have a much more Modern A/C systems , electric fans and smaller a/c condenser and Tiny a/c compressor that is electric
The lifters need time to pump up when you start it mine do it after sitting
If the car had A.C. I would fix the system,that is just my thinking. I really enjoy watching your videos no matter what the content is great job.👍👍 P.S Your Humor adds to the enjoyment and we share the same hair style.
There is a old school carb guy in st Petersburg Florida. Make them new for half the price of new. Neal
Show how you bend the fuel line.. that's a hard skill to learn.
I have an extra blower cover if you want it
Why Rotella oil?
Hope your wearing a mask
Bonehead? Uh, no. You find a finger tight fuel fitting and save a classic. Not a bonehead move.
👍🇸🇪❤️.
I'd box up all the A/C parts in case I ever decided to sell the car !! It just clutters up the engine compartment and kills performance !!
is that a 6 cylinder
It only takes time and money, and money.🤣
Join CORSA. The national organization can give you invaluable help.
Why not use the proper weight oil ?
easy and cheap source of a higher count zddp additive, plus as noisy as the valvetrain was at first I felt a higher viscosity was only going to help.
Of mice and men, even Ralph Nader would be surprised. Unsafe at nay speed, for man and mouse
Cor Blimey You obviously studied at the Dick van Dyke School of English "Guvna" Lol
lol no Monty Python
I would leave the ac off.
I hate chapion spark plugs try ac or denso .
I think you're just being cheap about the AC. You always want things back original but you yourself has said that you are frugal.
Corvair are junk, an they were the worsted car of all times
Don't waste your time !!!