I've been going to NYST for 2 seasons, and keep being told I need to go to the Glen or Lime Rock. I just walked the course today during a car show and my understanding of track makes lapping videos like this make so much more sense. This one though, what a fantastic battle! Of all I've been watching the last couple of hours, this is really something!
He had a bad line in the lefthander and then the righthander leading into the back straight. You might have been able to back off a car length or two and enter the back straight with more speen and catch him when he moves too far right right at that first kink. Sacrifice the lefthander, touch the curb at the end and then give it everything you've got entering the back straight. He was entering the front straight pretty nicely, so I didn't see any opportunity there.
Great to watch, but not a great race. The 148 had it all the way, especially after the driver bumped and gave up on that one passing spot he had on the whole course. The 148 was looser out of corners, but had better dive-in into them, making him vulnerable through the sweepers, which you could see as the driver caught up to the 148 every lap in the first half of the course. But this also made the 148 faster in the last half of the track and most importantly onto both straights where a sharp turn-in and getting quickly back on the gas is the best strategy anyway (so long as you don't get unsettled - both drivers had some issue with this at the hop after the righthander.) Watching this race I could really appreciate both the course and the different approaches to suspension tuning taken by the two cars.
Great race! Had me mesmerized. You had the speed through the esses, but he had you into the uphill and just could not make up the difference until the esses again.
I hope to be able to bring my car to Lime Rock within the next couple years, I've never raced on a track. Does the driver with the camera have to pay the other driving for damages from rear ending him?
This was the first day this car ever ran at Lime Rock in the dry. Must've been tough to gauge what the car could do without many laps (he had a punctured tire in practice and only did a few laps in qualifying so this race was done with a mere 5 laps in the dry). Not too shabby considering that E92 M3 is one of the top-running GTS cars in the entire country. I'm sure this year 57-flat or quicker will be achievable in optimal conditions.
The E46 (chase car) seemed to have so much more speed through the esses just after the front straight - he had a solid run on the outside at 2:00, I have no idea how the E92 stayed out front
you had him in the corners, had you passed him you would have pulled away for sure. and traffic was your opportunity, but then the accident. in all, i think a little more late braking would have gotten it done
My unsolicited advice comes from first hand experience. Easier said then done for sure. I was racing in SCCA Pro Sports Renault the first year of class. Running in 4th late in race. Caught a back marker in middle of diving turn and had to lift. Exited turn in a 4th grear slide with right foot trying to push gas pedal through the firewall. I saved it but lost a position right at the finish line. Between a rock and a hard place. Had 5th place breathing down my neck. Couldn't lift for timing pass w/o risking him guy behind me getting inside me. Mario probably would have had an answer but I didn't.
the only place to pass 148 would be the main straight. need to time the closure rate perfectly to get the exit speed off the diving turn, run him down in his draft then pop out in the braking zone on the inside. 148 was on the gas earlier approaching the diving turn. chassis set up or driver ability? you certainly had Big Bend, the infield left and following right on to "No Name Straight" figured out. Only way to pass in those areas is to lay some paint on him which would probably not be cool in an amateur race. Fun race...too bad you couldn't have swapped the lead a few times though.
I think this was the first day this car ever ran at Lime Rock in the dry. Must've been tough to gauge what the car could do without many laps (he had a punctured tire in practice and only did a few laps in qualifying). I was there this day and the day before when it rained. Stewart was one of a few to stay on slicks instead of rains on Fri. He did the rain dance that's for sure and once it dried out no one could catch him.
Taylor Greenfield I talked with the guy from the #148. He said he had terrible understeer in the first half of the course where this #22 was faster, but was able to hold off after the uphill. Regardless, two badass BMW's ripping it up! :)
ravenwda007 because these are racing games. not the reality. you have alot of more control over a real car. and you need to know how to drive. thats obvious. :D you also need to know what the driver in front of you is going to do.
@@descent8275 Unfortunately your answer is pretty misinformed. Most racing simulators have VERY realistic vehicle dynamics. Especially when it comes to track geometry, racing lines you can replicate real life situations very well. So the problem is not with the "games", the problem is with people not having enough experience on the track to judge braking distances and alternative racing lines in heavy traffic.
@@mikhailman jup! and you cannot judge speed and accelerations that easy in games. you have no butt-o-meter and only 2 dimensional view. so you can't judge distance with your eyes.
@@descent8275 While i do agree with inability to judge distance properly on a 2d screen, the advancement of VR technology negates that disadvantage. Although some more experienced players with good knowledge of various tracks have no problems with breaking and accelerating properly less than 20cm from the car in front.
You nailed it. Too bad nowhere to pass after 148's vulnerable spots. Unfortunately 148 was pretty strong on West Bend and the downhill so took plenty of momentum onto the main straight so no passing opportunity there either. Remarkable how consistent 148 was in feeling his way through Big Bend then tip-toeing through the lefthander. Classic Lime Rock racing. Can be gloriously frustrating but you gotta love the place. Looked like there might have been a missed caution flag that resulted in the one car slowing suddenly and the jam-up in cars behind who might not have had line-of-sight to the corner station. The big crash had happened long enough before the bumper incident to have had a caution on at least one station before the big crash on no-name straight. But I wasn't there so just idle speculation. Stuff happens.
One of the reasons I hate racing at LRP. You had the power advantage, you had better lines, you had excellent (smooth) inputs, and yet you couldn't get the opportunity to slingshot past him. You could have set him up a bit better, and there were a few opportunities to drop inside, but I don't think he would have held up his end of the bargain (like when he squeezed you out of the esses). His braking & turn in on 1 was absolutely terrible. He was dancing on the brake pedal... ugh...
I don't think he was that much faster through the uphill section. Stewart was killing it through turns 2 and 3 but was getting out of the throttle too early coming into that uphill section. I can understand the first 2 to 3 laps but after you get a feel for where the 148 is going to start braking you can ease up in the pocket and stay on his tail. I'm not saying he would of been able to pass him except where the 148 went off the track coming onto the straight. Had he been more aggressive in the uphill section he would have been in a position to take the lead.
Yes biggest error was off the throttle too soon before the uphill, but also hitting plenty of apexes early especially turn 2 where he rear ended the guy and finally not keeping on the throttle in the final turn which starts with a downhill and flattens after the apex compressing your suspension. There you can go right to the apex keeping on light throttle and enter the front straight at higher speed.
Portia Melino Car hadn't ever been tested/driven on a dry track there before. Just in the rain the day before (which doesn't really give you an idea of what the car likes/doesn't like). This year's races are going to be just as good if not better!
Awesome video. Great driving! I love the sound of the rear tires spinning as the car gets light at the top of the uphill section.
That little 6 banger keeps up with it's big brother quite well
IRacing has this nailed !
Fantastic driving and riveting on-board camera footage. Thanks so much for sharing!!
I've been going to NYST for 2 seasons, and keep being told I need to go to the Glen or Lime Rock. I just walked the course today during a car show and my understanding of track makes lapping videos like this make so much more sense. This one though, what a fantastic battle! Of all I've been watching the last couple of hours, this is really something!
very nice battle, great driving with that machine sir..quick car
He had a bad line in the lefthander and then the righthander leading into the back straight. You might have been able to back off a car length or two and enter the back straight with more speen and catch him when he moves too far right right at that first kink. Sacrifice the lefthander, touch the curb at the end and then give it everything you've got entering the back straight. He was entering the front straight pretty nicely, so I didn't see any opportunity there.
Great to watch, but not a great race. The 148 had it all the way, especially after the driver bumped and gave up on that one passing spot he had on the whole course. The 148 was looser out of corners, but had better dive-in into them, making him vulnerable through the sweepers, which you could see as the driver caught up to the 148 every lap in the first half of the course. But this also made the 148 faster in the last half of the track and most importantly onto both straights where a sharp turn-in and getting quickly back on the gas is the best strategy anyway (so long as you don't get unsettled - both drivers had some issue with this at the hop after the righthander.) Watching this race I could really appreciate both the course and the different approaches to suspension tuning taken by the two cars.
great race! you was eating him and you can't overtake because the same cars and the narrow circuit, i know that sensation!
Great race! Had me mesmerized. You had the speed through the esses, but he had you into the uphill and just could not make up the difference until the esses again.
I hope to be able to bring my car to Lime Rock within the next couple years, I've never raced on a track. Does the driver with the camera have to pay the other driving for damages from rear ending him?
No they do not.
This was the first day this car ever ran at Lime Rock in the dry. Must've been tough to gauge what the car could do without many laps (he had a punctured tire in practice and only did a few laps in qualifying so this race was done with a mere 5 laps in the dry). Not too shabby considering that E92 M3 is one of the top-running GTS cars in the entire country. I'm sure this year 57-flat or quicker will be achievable in optimal conditions.
good stuff.... not many places to pass. looked like your corner speed was higher
The E46 (chase car) seemed to have so much more speed through the esses just after the front straight - he had a solid run on the outside at 2:00, I have no idea how the E92 stayed out front
you had him in the corners, had you passed him you would have pulled away for sure. and traffic was your opportunity, but then the accident. in all, i think a little more late braking would have gotten it done
This is some awesome sh...t!!! I live close to Lime Rock, I own an E46, what the heck am I waiting for?!!
My unsolicited advice comes from first hand experience. Easier said then done for sure. I was racing in SCCA Pro Sports Renault the first year of class. Running in 4th late in race. Caught a back marker in middle of diving turn and had to lift. Exited turn in a 4th grear slide with right foot trying to push gas pedal through the firewall. I saved it but lost a position right at the finish line. Between a rock and a hard place. Had 5th place breathing down my neck. Couldn't lift for timing pass w/o risking him guy behind me getting inside me. Mario probably would have had an answer but I didn't.
how do i register to race this series
Brandon Walters nasaproracing.com it's the GTS series.
Seems to be an awful lot of noise for not much acceleration?
the only place to pass 148 would be the main straight. need to time the closure rate perfectly to get the exit speed off the diving turn, run him down in his draft then pop out in the braking zone on the inside. 148 was on the gas earlier approaching the diving turn. chassis set up or driver ability? you certainly had Big Bend, the infield left and following right on to "No Name Straight" figured out. Only way to pass in those areas is to lay some paint on him which would probably not be cool in an amateur race. Fun race...too bad you couldn't have swapped the lead a few times though.
I think this was the first day this car ever ran at Lime Rock in the dry. Must've been tough to gauge what the car could do without many laps (he had a punctured tire in practice and only did a few laps in qualifying). I was there this day and the day before when it rained. Stewart was one of a few to stay on slicks instead of rains on Fri. He did the rain dance that's for sure and once it dried out no one could catch him.
Nice run Hugh...
good duel
What battle? He leads, you follow.
Best racing tip ever, dont get on the throttle till you know you can stay on it :)
+kevin obrien Doesn't that depend on the car? Some cars will oversteer without some throttle input, like the SRF.
+Cap'n Nobeard yeah for sure put some throttle imput in. but don't be on and off on and off throttle the corner.
+kevin obrien but to get the rear to rotate ever so slightly, yes. Then again, it depends on the car hah
Great Driving.
Was it nice for you to watch what you did to his bumper? Not nice.............
this driver is slow at the corner before the uphill
Ryan L and that is the only chance you can possibly pass that M3, hs is faster on the straight
the driver of the 148 car has the same problem as me, doesn't get far enough over to the left coming out of T2 to get on the gas early through T3.
love that sounds ! xD
The E92 seemed to have more grip in the front, in the long turns your car understeered a little more than it should
Taylor Greenfield I talked with the guy from the #148. He said he had terrible understeer in the first half of the course where this #22 was faster, but was able to hold off after the uphill. Regardless, two badass BMW's ripping it up! :)
Sorry but it's June 14, 2020 and you still haven't passed this guy. What's up?
Son, don't you know what your bumper is for?
I just don't understand how these drivers can be so close to the other cars accelerating without rear-ending them? I always hit them in racing games.
ravenwda007 because these are racing games. not the reality.
you have alot of more control over a real car.
and you need to know how to drive. thats obvious. :D
you also need to know what the driver in front of you is going to do.
It's a matter of knowing the lines. For the most part, everybody's braking points are around the same place.
@@descent8275 Unfortunately your answer is pretty misinformed. Most racing simulators have VERY realistic vehicle dynamics. Especially when it comes to track geometry, racing lines you can replicate real life situations very well. So the problem is not with the "games", the problem is with people not having enough experience on the track to judge braking distances and alternative racing lines in heavy traffic.
@@mikhailman jup! and you cannot judge speed and accelerations that easy in games. you have no butt-o-meter and only 2 dimensional view. so you can't judge distance with your eyes.
@@descent8275 While i do agree with inability to judge distance properly on a 2d screen, the advancement of VR technology negates that disadvantage. Although some more experienced players with good knowledge of various tracks have no problems with breaking and accelerating properly less than 20cm from the car in front.
the 148 seemed very intimidated by the left hander and never seemed to get the feel for Big Bend.
You nailed it. Too bad nowhere to pass after 148's vulnerable spots. Unfortunately 148 was pretty strong on West Bend and the downhill so took plenty of momentum onto the main straight so no passing opportunity there either. Remarkable how consistent 148 was in feeling his way through Big Bend then tip-toeing through the lefthander. Classic Lime Rock racing. Can be gloriously frustrating but you gotta love the place. Looked like there might have been a missed caution flag that resulted in the one car slowing suddenly and the jam-up in cars behind who might not have had line-of-sight to the corner station. The big crash had happened long enough before the bumper incident to have had a caution on at least one station before the big crash on no-name straight. But I wasn't there so just idle speculation. Stuff happens.
Ik the guy in the e46 knows he had better handling around those corners. I saw wayyyy to many time the e92 was like a boat😂
One of the reasons I hate racing at LRP. You had the power advantage, you had better lines, you had excellent (smooth) inputs, and yet you couldn't get the opportunity to slingshot past him. You could have set him up a bit better, and there were a few opportunities to drop inside, but I don't think he would have held up his end of the bargain (like when he squeezed you out of the esses). His braking & turn in on 1 was absolutely terrible. He was dancing on the brake pedal... ugh...
Tha guy has a bike rack on his car!
jez fucking chrst what a noise...
And the Porsches just drove away.
he was faster everywhere but the uphill...but that was enough
He's faster in the uphill and every corner after that. If he doesn't make a mistake, you won't take him.
I don't think he was that much faster through the uphill section. Stewart was killing it through turns 2 and 3 but was getting out of the throttle too early coming into that uphill section. I can understand the first 2 to 3 laps but after you get a feel for where the 148 is going to start braking you can ease up in the pocket and stay on his tail. I'm not saying he would of been able to pass him except where the 148 went off the track coming onto the straight. Had he been more aggressive in the uphill section he would have been in a position to take the lead.
Yes biggest error was off the throttle too soon before the uphill, but also hitting plenty of apexes early especially turn 2 where he rear ended the guy and finally not keeping on the throttle in the final turn which starts with a downhill and flattens after the apex compressing your suspension. There you can go right to the apex keeping on light throttle and enter the front straight at higher speed.
Portia Melino Car hadn't ever been tested/driven on a dry track there before. Just in the rain the day before (which doesn't really give you an idea of what the car likes/doesn't like). This year's races are going to be just as good if not better!
///M Power
never lift on the downhill....
+quonnieQYC This isn't iRacing.
to win you just need to dust of your car.
weight reduction bro!
There is no battle...
+karting360 LOL! right... there wasn't any nose-to-tail racing at all here.
Estas porquerías no corren!!