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C o n t e n t
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The Commodification of MrBeast ► • The Commodification of...
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thank you to my friends Rose, Tayo, Cj, JK, Joe, Andrew, Donald, & Joe for their voices
T i m e c o d e s
0:00 Indoctrination
2:57 Canceling
14:44 Quality
25:27 Art vs Artist
40:14 We're All Problematic
48:46 Nostalgia
58:39 Finale
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M u s i c
► Rusanda Panfili - Elvira’s Dream
► Bizet - Habanera
► Handel - Messiah
► Peter Crowley - Time Will Catch Me First
► ghxsted. - meaning.
► Wii Sports Title
► Doug Maxwell - Intimate Tango
► BROKENHEARTSCLUB - KILLSWITCH (instrumental)
► Subway Surfers Theme
► Coyote Hearing - Monkeys Are Coming
► Karl Casey, White Bat Audio - Bad Trip
► rosecat - ambient again
► BROKENHEARTSCLUB - SUNBURN (instrumental)
► BROCKHAMPTON - BOY BYE (instrumental)
► Kim Petras - XXX (instrumental)
► Karl Casey, White Bat Audio - 80’s Horror Synth-wave
► dreamcorp. - falling in reverse
► Waltz - Blue Danube
► Jimena Contreras - Devil’s Organ
► Miguel Johnson - Unexplored Moon
► BROKENHEARTSCLUB - BACK2YOU (instrumental)
► Kanye West - No Child Left Behind (instrumental)
► Yuzzy - Debunking
► Karl Casey, White Bat Audio - Black Cream
► Chillpeach - In Dreamland
► 8-10-19 Lofi
► Huma-Huma - From R*ssia With Love
► Karl Casey, White Bat Audio - Nostalgic Synthwave
► Karl Casey, White Bat Audio - Shadowfires
► Satie - Gymnopedie No. 1
► SALES - Chinese New Year
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please actually make the "the omegaverse ruined a whole generation of men and here's why essay". you are correct I would watch the shit out of that video essay.
Oh yeah, I would watch it while playing TotK because I can't focus on less than 2 things at any time.
Tangentially, it was only the other day when I accidentally stumbled into fandom discourse about how the other common way to refer to omegaverse content (the A__ abbreviation) was something to be avoided due to being a racial slur in Australia. Unfortunately, but predictably, maybe-accidentally and definitely purposefully racist people entered the comments and tried to derail things.
Since I tend to stay away from omegaverse content (the idea of societies built on a biologically hardwired eff-or-suffer mechanism makes me cringe hard), I hadn’t realized before why the abbreviation was becoming less common in fandom spaces, but I’m all for small improvements wherever they happen.
Lindsay Ellis (sort of) already did it.
@@gooderamblesThen even better, I want to be able to make an entire playlist of video essayists talking about omegaverse. That'd be one of the best timelines
@@doe4003 Originally, she did a video in 2020 talking about a frivolous lawsuit between 2 omegaverse authors,
And then three months later, she released a sequel to that video when one of the authors in the aforementioned lawsuit began sending her emails threatening her with legal action.
It's a fun mini-series, all things considered.
Having AI Joe Rogan reading leftist literature is the most savage thing I’ve seen in a while
Okay THAT’s what’s going on here.
Listen, I'm pretty young myself, but I cannot for the love of me believe that you are 18 years old. The level of emotional maturity, intelligence, critical thinking and freedom that you show is astonishing. AND you beat depression. Which is not a fight that I'm winning anytime soon.
You're brilliant in ways I can barely describe and I admire you. Thank you for this.
god same reaction, I honestly thought she was in her mid 20s. She seems so much more eloquent than I'd expect from her age.
THIS
In my mid-30s and same. I can't imagine being that articulated at 18 years old. I was barely able to hold an opinion.
@@tahvohck consequences of using the internet counter to the way the people who are running it these days want you to
I know a lot of kids that are super advanced in these ways for their age. That being said, it blew my mind when Mia said she's 18 💀 mostly the way she speaks and holds herself in front of the camera is so mature. For 18?? That's so crazy to me lol
Oh no. She’s doing it again. She’s making me experience existential dread about the state of the internet and society at large again.
AND IM EATING IT UP!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
OH GOD.. This is nearly as bad as Existentialism Turtle... 🐢
Sources say that Mia Cole has entered the goat convo
real
i had a feeling you were gonna appear in this video. thank u rose for sharing your insight on a top tier mia cole video
A wild Rose appeared
Tell us who these sources are goddammit
Was happy to see you in the video!
Just because I crave the sweet sweet parasocial kick of dopamine, my problematic past was that I believed the death penalty was a legitimate thing to defend 💀💀💀
Now give me that heart you promised Mia
The argument isn’t that evil people deserve to be saved. The argument is that the death penalty kills innocent people too and is it worth that risk?
@@youtubesupportsfascism Nobody, absolutely nobody said anything even remotely close to anything resembling that.
What are you talking about? Are you okay?
@@youtubesupportsfascismour justice system is too flawed and bigoted for the death penalty to be a thing. Most of the time the people who deserve it aren’t the ones getting the penalty, but rather innocent people who were convicted on the basis of race
@@youtubesupportsfascismAfter reading your comment I now believe in the legitimacy of late term abortion, your parents will be receiving the paperwork later today.
@@mechanomics2649waffles and pancakes all over again
I will also just add to the part about How I met your mother, being a trans woman, it really did feel like an attack. Like these are the things that were beating me down into the closet without me really even understanding it at the time.
I love it when someone 10 years younger than me gives me a good life lesson
Great video!
It takes all kinds of perspectives to keep growing throughout life. It's fantastic every time it happens :)
I love it when someone 20 years younger than me gives me a good life lesson
Great video!
@@motadelladelamorteI love it when someone 30 years younger than me gives me a good life lesson
Great video!
Boy I can't wait for all those milestones. MIA!! to the afterlife and beyond!!
@@LisaKiniso refreshing to hear someone looking forward to aging. I’m 35 and I feel like everyone around me is full of dread from being our age?? I love being in my 30s, idk what the hell everyone else is talking about.
I really empathize with anyone who is constantly looking back at their University days and
wishing to go back. The absolute hardest things for me to do while in treat for chemical dependency were properly mourning the loss of the future I had envisioned for myself for so long and "dismantling" the pedestal I had put my university days on.
This is CINEMA. The direction's so good, and I love what you're doing with sound and light.
Nostalgia's supposed to feel bad. Nostalgia (nóstos=returning home, álgos=pain). The Greeks knew. There's probably not an easy way for thoughtful people to navigate nostalgia, but I think it's most important that we embrace our humanity while we do it.
this is really interesting and helpful, I didn't know nostalgia meant that, thank you.
o.o
I feel like a similar argument has been made for alternative fashion companies. As a goth, I am deeply connected with both the music subculture and the original 80's fashion, as well as a portion of it that has since run far from it's source material. I hate brands like Dolls Kill, a company whose CEO made disgusting racist comments, whose team has stolen and benefited from the work of small creators within marginalized communities, and contributes to the climate crisis by participating in fast fashion and pumping out hundreds of designs a day, and I feel physically sick. And Killstar, who continually overcharge for their cheap, copycat products which stigmatize the very community they claim to represent. Regardless of how the torch has been passed and the "bad apples" are weeded out, I refuse to support the company unless all of these issues are fixed and they stop contributing to the stigmas of the subculture as vapid, self-obsessed satanist witches who exist only to be contrarian assholes
The gods have blessed me for my wage slavery with a new hour-long epic from Mia
Call that a Working class W
There's also that aspect of "I want to forgive them because I've done something similar at some point and if I judge them I also judge myself and that goes against my self preservation"
i don't know what it is with the most amazing artists and saying their art is kinda mid, like, girl, this video made me cry. you have the bragging rights. IT'S TIME TO BE A BRAG QUEEN
I like how Mia says let's separate the art from the artist then procedes to break the 4th wall and pic up the camera
"Is the cancel culture in the room with us right now?" 😭
Another artistic masterpiece delivered to us by pixels illuminated in the shape of Mia Cole. Hey, queen. Girl you have done it again: constantly raising the bar for us all, and doing it flawlessly. I’d say I’m surprised, but I know who you are, I’ve seen it up close and personal. Girl, you make me so proud.
personally, i tend to be very self-critical of what might be nostalgia, but that might be because i was really, really into terry goodkind in high school then suddenly realized i was reading ayn rand fanfiction and tbh, that's more internal sense-of-self damaging than any other problematic faves i might have had
Terry Goodkind was.... Well, I read the first few of his books in the early 00's and yeah, one or two were ok, but then the bdsm was sketch, then the wife swapping... And I was out. I hit the limit of what I could take.
@@SerifSansSerif I tried to explain how many levels of what even were in his books to a friend recently and when I said "oh and that's the first book" I got a response of stunned silence
And it just kept ramping up
When I was 11 or 12 a friend of my parents used Terry Goodkind's books to introduce me to adult subjects in order to groom me without my parents realizing 🤐
I do not like that man his books still make my skin crawl when I see them at thrift stores
My dad got me wizard game bc he remembered I liked Harry Potter as a kid, but due to his opinions on trans ppl I no longer bring up jkr or that I don’t participate in her shit anymore. Tried playing it but the second I got to the very obvious trans character, it became unplayable. It is, without sugarcoating it, probably the most purposeful portrayal of a minority I have seen since my late night wiki dive on old propaganda cartoons from ww2. Like. There is no longer separating the art from the artist. She has made that very very clear.
*purposefully cruel, sorry the worm on a string that runs my brain is still waking up
Sending this to my community proactively to front run the extremely problematic behavior I am planning. Thank you Mia! 🙏🏻
Hey Squid didn’t expect to see you here
she really gave me the advice "best intro is no intro" and then went on to make the most banger intro imaginable wow ok rude
right, the best intro is no intro cause i own the intros
I mean I watch The Labyrinth every year to remember that "you have no power over me." It sits and gives me strength every year. Jim Henson made monsters lovable and requires you to look past the detailed grime.
I really enjoyed this. This was one of the very rare occasions that I watched an hour long video without clicking in and out of 12 different tabs at the top of my browser. Excellent editing, awesome lighting, great points, and I literally lol'd at your jokes and sarcasm. I haven't watched HIMYM since the series finale, but I guess I wouldn't (or shouldn't) be surprised if it didn't "age well" now that I think about it - considering it started in '05 and ended in '13. But it was my favorite show too.
Was rewatching on Hulu recently without any reason except wanting g something in the background.
It's actually not absolutely terrible like Friends is.
The womanizing is a gag, and within context, it's not a thing that is celebrated. It kinda comes across as gross and toxic masculinity, and within the context of the whole storyline, it's pretty good. There's a weird bit about gay clubs, which is... Ambivalent? It's got it's plusses and minuses and the episode in question there has this whole weird coding about gay acceptance and such which considering the actors... It's interesting.
The trans joke lands harshly, and I honestly didn't like when it came on. Within the context of its time period, it's a low point in a series that generally isn't THAT bad.
I don't usually care how my responses to parasocial betrayals appear to other people. A lot of the time, it just feels gross to listen to / read, so I just don't anymore. Then there are other people who I know are awful but their particular awfulness doesn't ruin their work for me, so I still listen/read - but that listening/reading stops being parasocial - I love the thing for me now. I find the thing inside the thing that I really love and I grow that little seed and I revel in it. I guess I'm separating the art from the artist? Or maybe just personally forgiving them, but keeping my side of the street clean. also i pirate everything
@@youtubesupportsfascism I mean I wouldn't really consider this comment a meaningful reply, but I do find myself appreciating your dedication to the "my declarations are significant enough to attach to unrelated conversations" vibe that starts with your username and never stops.
woooow, not mia making a gorgeous, thought-provoking, visually stunning masterpiece about some random ass interesting subject. it's definitely giving film school dropout but like in a good way don't worry
I think in addition to the nostalgia, a reason people keep supporting a very problematic person is because of that “they were always awful” reaction.
Recently, the owners of Wyrmwood Gaming underwent their own cancelling due to being very awful and essentially broadcasting their awfulness for entertainment on TH-cam. Soon after learning about the allegations against them, I saw a reddit where people were discussing how they didn’t feel like they could buy from the company anymore, and very rapidly people showed up to say that they’ve always found those expensive dice trays cringe, and that if you bought them in the first place there’s something wrong with you.
“I never liked this anyway” quickly turns into “…and if you liked it, you are a bad person”. It’s not like the person saying “it was always bad” has usually had a finely tuned bad person detector, they just don’t like the product/art. And it’s very easy to reactively argue back “well here’s why I bought an expensive dice tray” instead of taking a step back and saying “that’s not really the issue here.” And that’s not a creative story that people relate to and see themselves in. That’s just a fancy wooden thing that you can roll your clicky-clacks in.
The distance between “I don’t like being attacked for not knowing this person was bad” and “screw it, I don’t care if they’re bad or not, I’m just going to keep enjoying the thing I like” is very, very short. I can imagine that if you engage in the discourse online quite a lot, that distance gets even shorter, because getting into these discussions frequently just multiplies your chances of encountering this type of argument, and it also increases that feeling of being attacked when someone you like turns out to be bad.
I think the title of this video would kill a small, victorian child
The ending part with the music and the footage of you just goofing around gave me the warm, fuzzy feelings inside my tummy. I'm so happy that you're in a better place now Mia. Overjoyed!
(also the video was interesting, well-shot, well-edited, well-written, well .... well you know .... I could go on or add to the discussion about ✨ART✨, but just know that this is special and made me feel good. So thanks Mia!)
“ah, let me put this random recommendation from an unknown-to-me youtuber as background noise while i clean” i say, as 3 minutes in, i’m hooked, subscribed, and sitting down to focus on this video.
Thank you for sharing your point of view. Some of your arguments clashed emotionally with where I stand but I see your logic and you have me thinking about art more deeply.
Context vs content is an issue I felt hit more viscerally for your generation than mine. Maybe some self deceit on my part about how important the internet is to other people. You have given me tools I didn't know I needed to better criticize, defend, or simply enjoy art. Thank you
"You gotta critically analyze all the media you consume."
So, I love love loved this video. It's fantastic. Articulates the thorny bits of a big issue very well. However, this prescription seems like something so many people I know would not want to do and wouldn't be able to do well--because they're just not that media literate or metacognitive about their media consumption.
And I feel like that's... ok? It doesn't feel reasonable to expect everyone or even most people to be hyper-analytic media nerds. I realize this video is targeted at an audience of plugged-in progressives who worry about cancel culture, but I can't help but wonder if that audience might not be a little insular in a way this video doesn't fully acknowledge?
This is a somewhat half-baked thought that's mostly a response to my gut-level reaction "lol most people aren't going to think anywhere near that hard, and I think I'm ok with that," so I may be way off base.
it's really ironic to hear when you then look at her comments section and it's mainly people agreeing with her and praising her intellect and not saying much else. there's 600 something comments here now so i'm sure i've missed some, but i took major issue with the way she talked about AI and i haven't seen any comments about it. i know it's a small piece of the video but the extremely morally driven fears behind it really made me step back
as an artist, positing the idea, even just as an idea and nothing else, that automating our work could be useful to avoid supporting problematic things is so clearly wrapped up in the moral ideology you see right wing people practice
before starting this video, i thought to myself: "Am I mentally and emotionally prepared for one hour of unfettered Mia?"
And so i took another hit from my dab pen, wrote this comment, and then clicked.
Hit it again for me
@@JohnBoulden okay i did o7
@Honey Bee hell yeah o7
Addict.
I always knew Mia Cole never misses but WOW MIA COLE NEVER MISSES ONCE AGAIN
I personally love it when irony and sincerity get mashed together to deliver meaning and you're doing it better than almost anyone else on TH-cam.
I recently found out Neil Patrick Harris had a… display… of Amy Winehouse after her death. An edible display of her corpse. Like months after she died, for Halloween. And uh… yeahhhh it’s gonna be hard seeing him in anything
This video reminded me how much I appreciate what you bring to this platform.
You have this understanding of the online world that not a lot of people click with, and more specifically, grew up on it.
I grew up on the internet myself, TH-cam especially, and your content shows a perspective which isn't really shared by most people who go through it. Sure, looking back I do wish my parents could've been a little stricter in some things, but that's in the past now. I've grown to appreciate the ways the internet allowed people to experiment with ideas that probably wouldn't have been realized in a TV/corporate environment, for example, Newgrounds gave animators a place to show their work without a company telling them what they can or cannot do. Going back to TH-cam, it gave, and for the most part still gives people a place to discuss their favorite topics in a fun, creative, and artistic way. Your videos give me this familiar and personal feeling that no other videos can, and I appreciate it. Can't wait for your next project.
Mia cole serving award winning dead girlfriend vibes in the more cinematic segments, which ties everything up in this rosey feeling of nostalgia. I felt it creeping up on me even before she really said anything about it. At first she lurks with her face turned entirely away like shes been dead so long I cant remember her face. Slowly the warm feelings creep into the shots untill at the end she is full on lunging at the camera with a giggling smile. Very fun
Genuinely this is one of my favorite video essays I've seen this year. You made this topic not only very open ended for differing opinions, you gave such a good argument on many sides, you expressed your own feelings so eloquently AND these scenes, transitions, are so cinematic. Incredible job, you've given me so much to think of. You deserve more followers, your hard work is so apparent. ❤
This is the first video of yours that I’ve seen, and can I just say your energy is brilliant and infectious? It makes me think of CJ the X and I fully mean that as a compliment.
NOTE FOR THE FUTURE: This comment has been left well before the inevitable cancellations of myself, CJ, Mia, or any associated or unassociated people, and I disavow any controversial actions myself, CJ, Mia, or any associated or unassociated people will be forever known for in the future of this absolute media hellscape. Thank you.
When prestige pissing matches walk in, empathy walks out.
Everyone by a certain age has done something they regret, yes, even every single one of you dear audience, relax, breath, embrace it as part of being human.
This is criminally underrated. You are the absolute best and that finale was one hell of a finale, this video was so well made.
So glad this video came in my recommendeds. This is 10/10 best video I've seen in a long while. So well produced. Well spoken and philosphical with great comedic timing and delivery. Thank you!!!
The fact she makes her own stock footage is both hilarious and impressive to me
“ladies and gentlemen and *you people*”
it’s me, i’m people
(my problematic fave is mia’s sweater)
the idea of using AI voices to make music that doesn't carry the same weight of "am i supporting a bad person" is... something. putting aside the fact AI's are still trained by real people with biases and use biased information, even thinking the idea says a lot about how scared some of us are of being bad. the morals and ethics feeling more important than the art itself
I got a phone call as your phone was ringing in this video and the ring tones intertwined in a way that reflected the way my real life is put on hold as I am trapped in the prison of entertaining video essays
phenomenal video. the amount of effort you put into this project is apparent. good job !!
More than half an hour without plugging her Patreon. This isn't the real Mia it's AI or something.
Always excited to watch a video from my non-problematic fav Mia Cole ❤ my adhd brain could not be happier
During Pride month?! _On Juneteenth??!!_
ugh the amount of effort that goes into these videos!! this is absolutely one of the best video essays i've seen in a while, mia cole truly deserves the world
this video is so wonderfully well made. i’m so glad this came up on my recommendation. i was intimidated by the length but ended up clicking and watching in one sitting that felt like maybe 15 minutes of my time rather than an hour. i will definitely be tuning in for any of your future projects.
So, about the Quality thing: When a creator gets cancelled, it becomes socially acceptable to register disappointment and dislike. It's not just fans saying "their album was trash", it's an entirely new slice of the population: antis and haters. People who never liked the artist now have a window to voice that and not only be heard, but agreed with. That's part of how cancelling spreads farther than the fandom of the person being cancelled-- it ropes in new invested parties.
This ability to bring in people who cared (disliked the artist) but were not engaged is why "all press is good press". Controversy converts both like (in the form of defenders) and dislike (in the form of antis) into engagement.
For a variety of factors (mostly horrible manipulate parents and geographic area) my very trans, very Hispanic ass voted for orange man in 2016, right after I turned 18. I spent my first year of college acting like an edgelord, even though I fully knew better as someone who had previously held fairly left-leaning beliefs. I don't recognize that person I was anymore, but I spend every day trying to make up for who she was.
Forgiving yourself for your wrongdoings and overcoming the cringe at your past self is often the first step to getting out of depression, but it's also usually harder than forgiving another. Our eagerness to overlook certain problematic art is very much a reflection of our desperation to give that forgiveness to ourselves, or to at least have our actions overlooked by someone who matters. But art can't forgive you, even after everyone else does. Only you can.
Great job putting this together. Solid editing, great on camera delivery. Keep it up!
a couple years ago a friend got me to start listening to Kanye's music. He was her favourite artist and I trusted her judgement since I knew we had similar music taste. I knew he was problematic when I started listening, but I didn't exactly know what for, so when I started to listen to College Drop Out and didn't immediately find him offensive I took it as a sort of permission to keep listening. over the next few months I would become OBSESSED. more than I have been with any artist ever. he was my most listened to artist of that year by a long shot and I only started listening to his music in November of that year. I listened to the albums in order up until Life of Pablo and one thing I realized is that Kanye uses his music like a confessional, and since things are so personal, liking his music must mean that in some capacity you like Kanye, or at least the person he presents himself as in his music. During my obsession I would say that though I did not always agree with him I found him sympathetic. I connected with his art as a fan of art and as a fellow bipolar person. Then the more recent stuff with Kanye happened and I couldn't listen anymore. as a test I went back to the playlist I compiled of my favourite songs of his and I listened through and was unsettled to find how I still loved it all so much, that my morals did not stop my enjoyment. but I guess it's complicated. I haven't listened to his music since that little test and I'm not sure what it would take to make me lift that self ban
Its not often that it takes one video for me to sub to a new channel but bro this was so unexpectedly good and best of all... You ADDED things to a conversation that has been beat to death!! Honestly so impressive and well produced
(By "unexpectedly good" i mean i watch a LOT of rando video essays, many being mediocre at best)
Only halfway through, and it made me think of a friend who refuses to eat the homophobic chicken sandwich but downloaded the wizard game on release day. People are complicated.
I think barny Stinson is a very interesting case study of a problematic character.
Because the things he does is absolutely not portrayed as the right thing. The character gets cslled out and called lame and disgusting by the other characters over and over again, yet somehow I remember him being a huge role model for almost every male in my school at 16-18.
your artistic lens and argument quality have been just better and better every upload; I feel like we're watching your evolution into something entirely new in real time. thanks for taking us with you on the ride
ofc u went and uploaded the moment before i have to begin my last minute study sesh for 2 major tests tmrw thats perhaps the most mia cole thing you couldve done
There are two musicians that I can remember I've deleted from my playlist. Not because I wanted to boycott them or because their music's bad actually, but because I could not stop thinking about what they've said and done while listening to their songs. I could not enjoy them anymore.
Thank you so much for the new video mia. I'm eating it up already nom nom nom. I respect you so hard and I'm. Not. Kidding. You are a master of your craft and an inspiration to creators of today and the future. I hope I'm like you when I grow up, even though I'm a year older than you.
Ps i wrote that before you wondered why someone would want to watch your channel. I am now also manifesting for your channel to grow significantly from this video because it's significantly important. Talking about abuse and holding everyone accountable including ourselves when anger becomes unleashed hatred. And I am praying for you to see yourself more realistically.
I'm not religious and I don't believe in manifesting outside pew research results, but i think you know what I mean.
I really love how you've honed your craft. It's been amazing watching your videos get more and more enthralling and detailed over the years. I'm looking forward to seeing how you get even better from here. Anyways, another banger video Mia, great job!
Wonderfully explained!
My personal stance on problematic creators with good art is to turn to a very powerful realisation I had when working my way through the jealous of talented kids issue as a teen/young adult:
There is no shortage of talent, just limited opportunities for it to be picked up.
I fall quite firmly on the boycott problematic people side because I can see it being a revolution for uplifting new and otherwise ignored talent. No one's art can be perfectly duplicated, especially not the incredibly talented individuals, but so much of the world of art is developed by inspiration, reimagining, reclaiming concepts.
When there's a gaping hole in my playlist because I remember their awful decisions everytime I consume their art now, it inspires me to search for another artist with a similar background, style, genre, intention, but without the context in their art that the hateful actions of the other person may have influenced. Even covers of songs I like, detached from the old artist so I can now just enjoy the sound without funding them.
Leaning heavily into boycotts and strict parameters for what I do and don't support has helped me find so much more brilliant art I otherwise wouldn't have encountered. Combine this with the serious issue in creative industries of nepotism, promo budgets, and studio contracts being some of the only ways people break through, and we may be able to conquer 2 serious issues with one stone. Doubling down on cancelling could be what finally helps fight off the commodification of music.
I’m loving seeing your channel blow up, you’ll be at 100k in a few months at this rate. Cheers
Gotta say, this gave me a lot to think about and ultimately brought me to a better understanding of myself and my stances on specific problematic people and medium. Thanks Mia, you knocked this one out of the park.
Holy crap this kid just made cinematic and philosophic GOLD! This video was constructed amazingly! My own final thoughts are: everyone has different morals and ethics. We have to learn to accept people that don't have the same views as us. And a general reminder that streaming music barely gives an artist anything!
We makin it out the hood with this one 🔥🔥🔥💯💯
Art and artist can never fully be split. You can't tell me that Pretry Young Thing by Michael Jackson doesn't feel different after everything
Or the Cosby Show in its entirety
that ending was so endearing. what a lovely video!
Your cinematography throughout this video is breathtaking holy-
its 5am and im very tired so words are hard but my heart is full and art is wonderful and you're gonna go far kid
This has been my fave video of yours, and it's not the first time I thought that this year either. Keep killing it 🖤
My greatest joy is finding people like you who can articulate and inform my perspective in ways that I otherwise couldn’t. A beautiful video, in general, wow! Ty
I love your channel and hope more people learn about it because they are missing out on some valuable content.
I used to go around saying I was a racist (I was 5😭), I had only heard from a black girl in my class that if I didn’t like her, I was racist, and I really didn’t like her, so I took that as it was. Before my mom stopped me and told me what it really meant.
wow i did not realize how bad i needed this SALES EP back in my life. everything about you rocks mia but especially yr taste
your videos are seriously art. theyre so entertaining holy shit
Ending this video with a song I personally have a solid amount of nostalgia attached to was a bit emotionally devastating
as someone who is not on tiktok, seeing that subway surfer thing pop up always makes me laugh
One aspect I'd want those folks who say they can 100% separate the art from the artist to answer is: then are you constantly seeking out new artists? Are you exploring and experimenting with new media routinely? Or do you hear these artists have new material out and then immediately check it out?
Because that would indicate that part of the attachment is very specifically the artist, and not just the art.
I can't separate 100%, but I's say like 87%, and YES, I constantly seek out new artists, mostly local artists, or artists from smaller countries. Most of these bands has close to zero social media presence, let alone social media drama. So even if they are problematic people, I'll never know.
Satisfied with the answer? Or should I travel to Ukraine, find that one singer's exes, and interview them how they were treated?
@LangAniko sort of missing my point with the hostility at the end.
I'm not asking you to interrogate every minor act you scrounged up. Lord knows I wouldn't be able to.
I was asking because for far too many of the types who CLAIM separation, they'll also follow these artists with baited breath and have a significant portion of their person dedicated to them. And that doesn't seem too "separated".
@@hartthorn Agree, that's more like a cult of personality.
I just wanted to hint that being problematic only comes into play at big artists, with a big online media presence. Noone will dig up a small creator's life before listening to them or watching their videos.
@LangAniko you're mostly correct, but it's a scaling thing based on community. "Big" is a relative value.
And honestly the more direct the contact the MORE need for a level of culpability.
An interesting viewpoint is when we apply cancel culture to figures that are long dead. Lots of art is consumed by people who know absolutely nothing about the creator of that art other than their name. So obviously you can separate the artist from their creator. Now, however, we’ve got ppl who feel it’s their job to inform everyone how problematic someone was. You can’t for example find anyone on youtube who can discuss the works of H.P. Lovecraft without feeling the need to add “he was racist”, a fact nobody would even be aware of except that we became privy to private letters he wrote to friends. It seems every month we find out stuff about people that most people weren’t aware of at all. So potentially anybody could be problematic, and if that’s the case is a legitimately problematic person not problematic simply because they were good at keeping their thoughts and ideology to themselves? And how problematic should I consider an artist if the only way I found out was because someone went to extraordinary lengths to dig up something they were attempting to keep private?
Over an hour of Mia? LET'S GOOOO
Babe wake up mia cole posted another existential 40 minute video
OH ITS A WHOLE HOUR
I'm so glad I found your channel
Really excited to watch this one!
this is a masterpiece on production value alone, well done !!
As some one as terminally* online as Mia, Im surprised you didn't deep fake the beach and actually went outside to touch sand. Congrats! Still looking for signs of a greenscreen though😅🤣❤
So I remember a few years back, I found out a young voice actor from a game I really liked said the n-word in a twitch stream a couple times when he was like 13-14. And people in the fandom were UP. IN. ARMS. Which is understandable to an extent, cuz that's like, a shitty thing for him to do. But like, the virtue signaling, my god. I remember seeing this one tweet that was like "Yeah okay he was a kid and he's apologized but I've never said a racist thing in my life so it's not a hard standard to live up to" or something like that. And I was just like wow good for you, congrats on being raised in an environment that was 100% healthy and nurturing and non-racist. I also thought it was okay to say the n word when I was like 14. Obviously I don't now, but the fact that I did think it was okay was a product of the environment I was raised in, the people I surrounded myself with. I literally didn't know any better at the time. Clearly he didn't either. People grow and change, but you gotta give them a chance.
Got the notification just after taking my ambien for the night, lets gooooo
Us old folks have been trying to Separate the Art From the Artist since Michael Jackson! (waves cane)
you've earned a new subscriber! not sure how i got here but my attention is had
once again saying the thoughts and questions floating around in my head that i didn't even know were in my head
I can listen to you talk for a long time. You rock!
I'm glad you're saying all this for the kids. "Abusers can make great art" is something I learned as a child in the 80s, when I found out that Axl Rose beat his wife. I couldn't change the way I felt about the music, but the way I felt about the man had drastically changed.
It might sound silly now but in my defense I was like 8, I didn't really know about drugs or the wild parties and all that, it was just the first grown up music that called out to me. But this simple moral issue was something I could grasp. I still love Guns n' Roses music even now, but I'll never defend his behavior. But I can't deny his talent, or its effect on me, either. And that has set the pattern for every problematic artist that followed. Value the art, separate it from the person.
Orson Scott Card is a vile homophobe, but Enders Game and its sequels are truly great books that don't espose his hate, and have real and lasting cultural value. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, every person will die eventually, but their art can last forever. It's not about them, it's about us, and culture not losing that value because of their actions or beliefs.
And just for the record, I never thought Michael Jackson did it. That allegation dogged him in one form or another, first as unserious jokes and later as humiliating trials he endured, it was something people wanted to believe while pretending not to want to believe, but I watched the man through those years, saw the mental toll it took, and it never felt true to me. He had an abusive childhood and was emotionally stunted, I believe he had completely innocent friendships with every single child that visited the amusement park he made his home, and was the kind of man who would never repeat his abuse on another child. He only wanted to bring them joy, that's what my heart tells me, and it was inevitable that greedy parents would seek to capitalize on that.
You and Ro Ramdin are really the only voices worth listening to. As I’ve gotten older, I have really found myself looking towards y’all to keep me in the loop and help me to reconcile my garbage times. Cant thank y’all enough. I was a good Christian cult boy on my way to being a pastor in high school as of 2006-2007. You’re the best.
Damn this is a high-quality video all around. Good thought-provoking opinions and analysis, beautiful cinematography and music, good sense of humor and self-awareness. No wonder it took months. You made something you can be proud of for years (maybe always!)
NEW MIA VIDEO YESSSS THATS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR
Your content gives me hope ✨️ your going to do great things mia cole