HS225 Vevor tilting milling table review
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- An honest review of the Vevor 10inch (250mm) tilting milling table. #vevor The discount links for the table, and the general site-wide discount code are shown below.
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“Oh vanity”. Brilliant ending to an interesting and honest overview of what looks to be a very useful angle plate. Thank you Paul for doing so. 👏👏👍😀
Andrew, when is the end not the end, clearly when it's in one of my videos. In my next video I have pinned up "Not the end" so people don't leave their seats early, and stay to the proper final end ending. Cheers Paul
@@HaxbyShed Ha ha. That’s brilliant. 😂🤣
Very timely review! I have been thinking about getting one of these. It's nice that give us an honest impression.
Hi I'm sure it will do all the jobs I need. Not perfect but not expensive. A reasonable trade off. Cheers
I've needed one for a while, so just bought the smaller one. Thanks for the video on this tool
Thanks Shane. I hope it does what you need. Cheers
You get what you pay (or could have paid) for with some of this tooling. For most of us, it's usually good enough.
Hi Greg, it does what it says on the box. Not less not more. Basic but works. Cheers
I totally agree with you that the price vs overall quality is quite good. I purchased a Vevor 6.3 gallon compressor recently for very little money and have been quite pleased with it. It was a much needed addition to my shop. I must say, I do like these reviews - you bring out the good and bad points quite well, and I appreciate that!
Hi Russell, I don't know if I have any reputation but, let's say I have, I would not want to lose it on a fake review. I say what I see, and I try to prove any claim one way or the other with evidence. Vevor ask to see reviews before they are published to check basic video quality but never have they asked me to change anything. And if it came to it they could not stop me publishing anyway. There is some basic trust involved, on both sides. Cheers
Hi Paul, well I roared with laughter with your vanity clip at the end!! Very honest review great value for money i would say. Looks good on your drilling machine as well
Hope youre not snowed in up there!!. Have a great weekend!!
HI David, that 'big' drilling machine has been great with having a big table that swivels and so much working height. MT4 socket and rated up to 32mm drill in mild steel. We seem to have missed most of the snow - though you will see a bit in my next video. Cheers Paul
I knew you wouldn't let it go!!!! Good for you! Unless you're doing work for NASA, this will be just fine. Remember to print it on your surface plate or set it on the mill @ different angles & see if it remains true / straight. Tagged my Vevor account for a future purchase of this. For $100 US, this is not a bad deal. If I want it better than that, I can put it on my Harig surface grinder. Thanks for the heads up & test. Cheers!
Hi Bob, I saw a comment saying the curves are hand dressed so it may be out a bit as it rotates but I think that's fine if you set the angle first then clock it in place. Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul. Looks like absolutely excellent value for money, if not absolutely excellent quality. I imagine it'll be more than good enough for almost everything a hobby shop can throw at it. Thanks for sharing. And congratulations on opening a new box of gloves 😂
Well TRM there's a back story on the gloves. I went with the recommendation from subscribers and measured across my palm, which indicated Medium, committed the full £15 for 25 pairs and found they are too small. Evidently I have long fingers, so it's Large next time. 🧤🧤
Here is an idea. Don't level the under side when you machine it. Set it on zero on the pointer, tighten the bolts and machine it level. I bought the same one of these off amazon and it had the exact rock in the base as does yours. I bought it for general use but needed to machine some 4140 1/2 plate 24 inches long. Need a 45 degree point on it, it is to be a bending die for bending metal. I have 7 of these 4140 plates so I will try and make a rounded point and maybe a sharper point. Then send them out for hardening. Will be nice to have for bending and forming. I will just have to figure out a base as a bending die. I did run across a local steel company that has "outlets" where they sell drops, the section left over after cutting to size for customers. The outlet had literally a few tons of 4140 drops... I was dumbfounded and, it is 2.00 per lb. I'm going back and see if the have any 24" long 2x2 or 4x4 or similar to make a bottom bending die.
Hi Robert I love the story with all the detail, you had me captive I could just picture it all. You are right to say set the angle indicator to zero first and then skim the base. Just by chance it lined up for me after I had skimmed the base but that was just by luck. I have an Indian mill vice with a rotating base and the pointer is off true angle by a mile (well, a couple of degrees anyway), but it's still a nice vice. Cheers
Well worth the cost. I was sort of surprised when you said you were going to leave the top after sorting out the base, but thankfully I stayed to the end ;)
Paul I change my mind frequently - it's true until it's not true. Never take my first answer. 😁
@@HaxbyShed 😁
Thanks for the video! Every thing ive gotten from vevor has been good. Its not suburban machine quality but good enough! This is just a hobby for me and I've been happy with doing a little tweaking for the price !!!
Hi Robert, I think for hobbyists and professionals I think it is good enough for most day to day jobs. Hobbyists normally don't have any way recover costs so low price may mean the difference between having one or not. Cheers
Gday Paul, well worth the little bit of fine tuning, good honest review mate, cheers
Hi Matty, I think Vevor do some good stuff, if you pick carefully. Unfortunately they don't sell electrical items here in the UK - I wanted to try an ultrasonic cleaner. Cheers mate.
I was surprised when you said that you weren't going to skim cut the top at the end of the video since you were already set up. Then, with the last scene, I let out a belly laugh when you showed taking a skim cut.
Nice video, that looks like a nice addition to your shop.
Hi Robert, same old story, I'm firm in my opinions until I change them. 😁 Cheers
Nice, I got the smaller one. I took the back lash out by shimming the pillow blocks to push the worm into the rack a bit, plenty of oil too. I also put spring washers under the lock down nuts so you can leave them a little bit loose and still move it, smooths it out. Also made a knob instead of the handle so it does not interfere with the mill tables if required. Great value.
Hi Robert, I like the idea of a knob instead of the handle. Great idea. Many thanks. Paul
Thanks for the look. Given the low cost , the only downside would be the loss of " work height "
on smaller machines . I do enjoy your videos , from Oregon, USA .
Hi Bill, its always nice to get compliments from Oregon. Tool holder systems vary in length quite a bit so it may be a height problem for some tooling and not for others. Also the 7 inch table is available if height is still a problem. I do not have any bias towards Vevor, I keep an open mind, and if it's a good product I don't mind saying so. Cheers Paul
Great video review. I have a Taig mini mill and I’ll take a look at the 7 inch version. Thank you.
Glad you found it useful Roy. Cheers.
Nice review Paul, For us hobbyist the import tooling provides options for the occasional use. The pro stuff is just out of reach non daily driving. Enjoyed !
Cheers.....
Hi Dean, I'll do more Vevor reviews in the future but the program is pretty full and it's hard to find time to slot them in. I watched your 'shaper action' video. Nice. Cheers
Well done, as always.
Thank you Mel. Cheers
My 7" version just showed up yesterday, and I saw this in my feed today!!
Oh, and the handle on mine is just as sloppy as yours - AND the handle *just* hits the table! I'll probably glue a washer onto the end of the shaft to shim it out.
Oh well Dr, keep smiling after a bit of a tweak it will probably do all the jobs you need. 😁 I can forgive a lot if it's cheap enough and basically works. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed - for the price? I have no complaints! Lets face it - anyone buying something like this, if we're incapable of fixing it - probably shouldn't be buying something like this! :D
I purchased the identical one a few months back, useful, but no where a "Precision " item, the radius form appears hand dressed , so adjusting/rotating the table will be out of alignment, I had the same rocking, and one of the hold down slots weren't fully machined. But, for its cost, its fit for purpose.
Nice review and through testing/appraisal.
Thanks for sharing.
Hi John, I think it is defo a case of "you gets what you pays for" but if you know that then I think it's fit for purpose for most jobs, as you say. It maybe the difference between having a tilting table and (alternatively) just looking longingly at ones you would love but can't afford. I would have loved the Japanese table in preference but I could not justify spending that much. Cheers
Another good review, thanks. I have a 7x10" from a different vendor but looks like the same maker. The crank handle on mine was terrible. And the angle scale isn't as nice as yours. But Mine has a lot less slop between the worm & gear rack. Mine also wabbled. and I ended up surfacing top & bottom. I suspect the problem is the very green castings when they are machined. Cast iron moves as it relaxes from the casting stresses. I use a magnetic electronic gizmo to set the angles. Quite accurate! (For a hobbyist)
Hi Larry. The guy who wanted £400 for the nice Japanese tilting table later came back to me saying £150 was ok but by then I'd got the Vevor table for free and money is money. I have bought some angle blocks but I think a digital level would be a good addition. I will look out for one. Cheers
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I just KNEW you wouldn’t leave the table alone 😎
Another great review Paul 👍….. Luke Mattie here in Oz, your ‘warts-n-all’ reviews are welcome.
Apart from the (typical) Chinese aversion to de-burring, I’ve found Vevor to be good value for $$$.
Regards
Robert
( Sydney, Australia)
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‘…like Mattie….’
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Hi Robert, I must find some time to clean out the Vevor dividing head I reviewed. It did a great job for me cutting the 48 splines for the new milling table nut but I'm sure it will be full of manufacturing muck. I know Mattie's channel well. Cheers
Afternoon Paul, before I bought my Wilton 3 Axis high $$$$ vise, I considered one of these. But my Sammie was kind enough to allow me to use the funds for one of the grandkids collage to buy the Wilton. Good review, and will come in handy in your shop. Got go, warmed up to 50deg here, so maybe I will get back on my sand blasting cabinet a few hrs. Bear.
Hi Bear, my sandblasting cabinet will get booted out of my shop soon to make way for a 'new' machine, which should make a first appearance on video in a couple of weeks. I've been working on it in the background. Take care. Paul
I have a 4 x 6 tilting table with nudge-and-fudge adjustment of the angle. It is very tempting to get the 7in Vevor table. I do like the screw adjustment. As you said, not for the accuracy of the angle, just for control of the table.
Thanks for the video.
Dave.
Hi Dave, I think the screw adjustment is very useful. I do not know if the handle on the 7inch is cast like the 10inch or pressed as it showed on the web page. Cheers
Nicely done.
Thank you Carl 👍
I think I have mentioned before, we really like Vevor products. They are good value for the price
Hi Joseph, I've only looked at two Vevor products so far and each could be improved but still fundamentally they have worked, just as they came out of the box. And skimming it up was very satisfying actually. Cheers
Thx for the vid.
Always welcome. Cheers
For the price it’s plenty good enough, I might have to treat myself. I knew you’d skim the top surface- I would too :-)
Skimming that top was very satisfying Jason, plus a first test of the vertical head bearing adjustment. I need to order up a new insert but likely to cost me as much as the cutter - for genuine Mitsubishi part box. Genuine RPMT12 are not so easily found at a good price (cheap). Cheers
Considering any work you do on that angle table will almost always be clocked, any inaccuracies wont matter much. In other words for the price you get value for money, and who can complain about that.
Hi Chris, yes I think it will be fine for the sort of jobs I do. A nice addition to the workshop. Cheers
Thank you !!
Yr welcome Alan. Cheers
Just a tip, when you swing it to zero use a Spirit level first saves moving DTI back forwards, when setting it to a angle use one of those digital angle finders, this is assuming your mill is level, enjoyed the review thanks, from Coventry 👍🇬🇧.
HI Grahame, thanks the level is a trick I've used on the shaper and the drill quite a bit but my learning had not made it across to the mill - until now. Cheers
Thanks for the thorough review. Skimming the top surface was inevitable especially with recently adjusted head bearings!
Yes Clive, now to get that missing Mitsubishi insert at a sensible price ..... Cheers
Absolutely inevitable...also approved by a german geezer wannabe engineer here. this skimming was a must. At least.
Mr Haxby. I read your reply. Perhaps a new thread to make it easier to read. Again, I don't disagree with what you said. The maneuverings of statehood is a complex dance that only its players understand. Most of us simple folk simply want to work, raise our families and live in peace.
This subject can get incredibly deep and there's a lot to it we don't see on the surface. Elements that most people I'm guessing really would rather not know because as they say, ignorance really is bliss. And that point isn't lost on me. The more I've learned about the court intrigue that underpins countries and the world, the more I regret learning of it.
I agree truth is relative. Relative to whom. I've stated many times over the years that history is a matter of personal belief rather than actual fact. For a person who is driven by faith in G-d, history is one thing, and for a person who is an atheist, history is another thing altogether. The same is true of cultures as well as empires. Each views history through their own lens. Each person defines truth, or, manipulates it, to their own standards.
My first reply was a sentence that was loaded with a lot of back story and insufficient to explain the complexity and details surrounding where we are in modern times.
Ultimately, as I stated, people consent to be governed. While I dislike the suffering the people in North Korea endure, in the end, North Koreans consent to their own fate. That's true in China, the US, the UK, Russia, everywhere. The people do have the power to change the system that governs them but for some reason, people generally sit idly by and do nothing instead, resigning themselves to their own misery.
For myself, I'm a rebel. I simply refuse to comply in as much as I'm able. I guess you can chalk my attitude up to having lived a hard life and coming to a place where I've learned some difficult lessons. One day I will stand before G-d and have to answer for my life. I have enough to answer for and I simply do not want to add any more than I have to at this point. I can't do anything to change the world but I can change how I operate in that world. Perhaps my small act of defiance is meaningless in the larger scope of things. In my mind, my small act of defiance changes the entire universe.
I'm not sure if you are aware of the notes some of these people in China have placed in the products they produce. I've found one of these notes myself and it was chilling. It has affected me to this day and it feels like a burden sometimes. You should look it up.
I'm not trying to be morally superior to anyone else. Most of my stand comes from the values my grandparents instilled in me and from witnessing the suffering my family went through as a result of the holocaust. I certainly have chinese goods in my shop, not many however. When I look at those items or use them, I think of my family that was wiped out in the camps in Germany. I have pictures of them and I see their images in my mind. I end up thinking about the people who made the item I'm using. I wonder who they are, what kind of life they have. Do they have a family?
I have to act in some sort of defiance and I have to speak about it when I can. What others do with it is entirely up to them. I can't live their lives. I can't act as their moral Arbeiter. Ultimately, in the end, history is written by acts of greed and conquest. And that's what drives nation states in my mind, no matter what nations they may be. In the end, it's about one person's (Obviously more than one person) greed and their ability to exploit that greed to the detriment of another.
Hi Opie, thank you again for your comment. We are a long way from the tilting table topic now but I do acknowledge the deep principles that drive your actions and comments. Let me leave you with one thought .... mankind developed it's basic instincts in caves surviving over millennia at the most basic level. Whilst we maybe think of ourselves as civilised in modern times our real animal instincts are never far below the surface. So to that extent yes power, territory, food/greed, exploitation are programmed into all of us. It's then just how we control those basic instincts which sets one group of people apart from another. Now we are getting deep ..... enjoy your day Sir. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed Although I'm not actually a religious person, what you're describing is in Hebrew called the Yetzer hara; the congenital inclination to do evil. While some of the Yetzer hara is rooted in the evil inclination, there are elements of the evil inclination which enable us to survive, and even enjoy pleasure.
The excess or lack of virtue in controlling the Yetzer hara is where men go wrong. I've always maintained The Austrian corporal A.H. of WW2 fame _(youtube won't let me put his name without the algorithm deleting my entire comment)_ could have been the greatest man of the 20th century. Instead, he is the greatest villain.
He lacked the moral virtue to curb his Yetzer hara and in the end, he succumbed to his anger and hatred, became incredibly narcissistic and untold millions lost their lives.
Had he been able to be a virtuous leader, dare I say he could have created a paradise like no other before him. Of course, my family absolutely did not want to hear that come from my mouth but the principle is founded in ancient writings.
He was a messianic archetype and it is taught that certain people (not all people) have the ability to be a sort of messianic savior of their people. The ability for people in this position to remain uncorrupted is very rare, hence the saying, ultimate power corrupts ultimately.
Enjoy a beer at the pub my friend. Perhaps someday I'll be able to join you and we can talk machining. LOL.
good video paul
Thanks you again 👍
Nice table and review Paul. A guy in some country on TH-cam has a video of him fabricating one of those tables out of steel... I was going to do that but easier and cheaper to buy a Vevor lol!
To be honest Al it's so cheap it not worth lifting the torch. If it breaks in 5 years throw it away and buy another. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed Yep!
good review!!!( oh vanity)
😁 there is vanity in all of us ... Cheers.
Well I wasn't expecting that. I used work for an engineering company that made tilting tables back in the 1970s. It wasn't unknown to get inclusions in the castings. Rough casting was painted, moving parts were greased and machined parts were covered with a black lacquer to protect them. The lacquer came off easily using turps. Sizes went up to 24 inch. Sadly the company no longer exists.
Hi Richard, many venerable tool manufacturers have come and gone. We are nostalgic for them, but to be honest about it some were great quality and some were definitely not 😆. Cheers
Thanks for this review. Can you actually machine arcs by using the handle , or is the handle purely for changing angle? All your work much appreciated.
Hi Alan, the short answer is probably no unless you are machining something soft like delrin. The screw thread is coarse (fast) and there is plenty of slop. Also the faces of the arc on the base may be hand dressed so I'd be cautious whether the table remains in perfect true as the table rolls over. With the table set up fixed and clocked with all the clamping bolts tight it's fine in static situations. If you had one already then try it but I would not buy one for that job expecting it to be suitable. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed many thanks for your reply. Will be investing in one in near future, your video is great help in deciding. Cheers and best wishes.
I’m glad won out
Hi Kimber, every job seems to have more to it than we expect. I keep dipping into your mill update vids. Cheers
I think I ment, never mind I have no idea what I meant to say
Table looks ok and good value. I do like your milling machine. Is it single or three phase. I don’t like ceramics on interrupted cuts. PS I’m developing a MQL system for my milling machine on my channel you may find it of interest. Regards Chris
Hi Chris, the mill motor is 2HP 3 phase but driven from an industrial grade inverter within the base. I rewired all the switches and buttons to control the inverter (24v control inputs) and added an interlock between the main motor and the table motor (so the table motor will only run if the main motor is running). Sent you an email. Cheers Paul
@@HaxbyShed Hi Paul I would like a nice heavy mill. I have a shaper I am going to fit a new motor and a VFD. Thank for the email I’m away at the moment and don’t have access to it today but will have a lookout tomorrow. All the best Chris.
Looks perfect for that occasional odd angled job.
Hi Tom, yes for the sort of jobs I do I think it will be fine. Cheers
Wish in Kiwi land we could get those prices.
Hi Alan, ah true I did not notice NZ on the Vevor countries list. I just looked and saw the U-buy NZ site selling the Vevor tilting table for NZD 265 which is £130 UK, so yes that's nearly twice the price. Maybe they will come to you in time..... Cheers
How’s it going haxby shed wanted to ask you what year car do you drive and what’s the make and model of it and is it fast also have you ever owned a Austin Healy sprite if so what year and what did it have for a engine
Hi Mason, thanks. I don't like to give out personal information. Cheers
Хорошо. Такой же хочу приобрести для своего фрезерного loewe.
co1252 says "Fine. I want to buy the same one for my loewe milling machine." Paul says Спасибо, я рад, что было полезно. (Thank you, I am glad it was useful.) Cheers 😁
@@HaxbyShed когда нету возможности наклона вертикальной головки это приспособление должно выручить меня
@@co1252 Я понимаю (Google Translate мне помогает) 👍
I know this is sacrilege, but I enjoy the “kits” made in China when there’s plenty of meat on the bones. When it comes to big production runs you pay what ever it takes to get it dead nuts right out of the box but in between I actually enjoy taking it out of the box, dismantling it, scrubbing it clean, measuring everything and machining it dead nuts.
I save some bills outgoing and enjoy my time making a tool my own.
Hi Dean, thanks. I'm certainly not promoting China as an entire Nation, I'm just saying the table seems good for the price. There has been plenty of absolute cr*p produced in Britain over the decades, and I did not always enjoy repairing our expensive rubbish. So I agree with you, I'm happy to accept a bit of tinkering at that price and really anything at a price that makes practical engineering accessible to more people of all ages has to be for the good in principle. Cheers
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Yep you are first again. I've forgotten your time zone but anyway you must be keen, thanks for your continued support. Cheers
Vanity nah you'd be scrapping in all .machined finishes if it were vanity ??
Hi, in a way I wanted to test that big cutter on a large surface. I think I got the head trammed vertical enough. Cheers
I'd rather pay a bit more for a second hand German or Japanese table, than messing with a half finished product from China. Maybe a sine table wich you can make yourself is even a better plan.
Hi Jacco, I agree the Vevor tilting table is a bit basic and not a precision piece but it might be good enough in 90% of cases and for £80 (100USD) it's not too expensive. I too would rather have had the Japanese 10in table I mentioned in the video. £400 (500USD) was too steep for me but later he came back to say he would take the £150 I'd offered but by then the world had moved on - pity. Cheers
Dislike people whom offer what they want and cause anger and dislike, i wouldnt even brag that i had done that, you got a Harrison mill and lathe what if dude with the Japanese tilt table offered you 150 for one of those machines you got.......boy i bet youd be mad wouldn't you
Hi Ronnie, maybe so but I just offered what I could afford and I did it in a respectful way. I said "I'm sure you will sell it but just in case you don't then send me a message". You know yourself that sometimes people have no real idea of the value and they post up crazy prices. In fact the seller did not manage to sell it and sometime later he messaged me to see if I was still interested but by then I had the tilt table from Vevor. Although I would have loved the fine Japanese table I could not justify spending the money by then. Cheers
like everything from China, super cheap but also junk and you are always busy modifying things to get it working properly!
better to buy second hand from a reputable brand.
cheers ben.
Hi Ben, here the old reputable stuff is so darned expensive or worn out, or both . Totally agree the table is rough around the edges - cost Vs quality. I would have loved the Japanese table but honestly I could not justify it. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed I often have luck at auctions, although the auctions are becoming less and less interesting because all professional companies with the good stuff are bankrupt and gone.
I’d pay the 400 for the decent one. Buying Chinese crp is supporting a hostile enemy continually threatening war. Not to mention the use of slave labor to produce this garbage.
Hi Opieshomeshop, it's a problem of conflicting interests I think. Whilst I get your point entirely it's hard for a hobbyist, with no chance of recovering the cost, to pay out hundreds when they could buy something adequate much cheaper. I wish I could promote British products but where are they? A lot of British industry was uncompetitive against the Japanese (that happened decades before the Chinese came along). Of course some people do spend their money according to conscience, like ethical investing, but it takes real self discipline to choose principles over all the other calls on our money. I think sometimes the answer is for Governments to set industrial strategy, create the right environment for investment and compete; take on the challenge. But as I say, I do see the merit in your comment. Cheers
@@HaxbyShed At least you're a gentleman about it. Something the rest of the internet should take note and learn. People are such smart alecs online. I understand your position and I don't disagree.
The market is flooded with Chinese goods and I admit sometimes even I have a hard time finding what I need and as a last resort I have to buy Chinese. My shop isn't a hobby shop. So I need quality stuff when I can get it and I have made it a point to spend the extra money for what I need.
Generally, I try and find what I need made in the USA if I can or on ebay made in the USA used and if I can't. I'm certainly not against buying Japanese. They make some really good stuff and then Taiwan is also of good reputation and korea makes pretty good things as well.. Further, in Europe, Poland is making some really impressive machine tools and I have quite a few items in my shop from Poland and the quality is outstanding and the price extremely reasonable.
I would add one thing regarding what you said; In the 1970s Albert Speer stated that the german people as a whole were responsible for what happened in Germany in 1933 to 1945 and I believe this to be true. People consent to be governed and in the end, it's the people who are responsible for their own situation. When we look at the flood of Chinese goods in Europe and north America, I'm afraid the people do in fact willingly participate in the proliferation of Chinese goods into their own countries. Here in the states, we have a store called harbor freight and there is no end to americans who do their best to shop there even boasting how much money they are saving because the stuff is so cheap. And therein lies the rub. Cheap. Cheap cost, cheap product. Buy cheap, save money.
I could take this a step further and apply this to other political issues being foisted upon our countries by the corrupt governments we have at the moment. The people simply aren't doing anything to put a stop to the nonsense. So because of their inaction they are consenting to it. If the people wanted to stop it and force the corrupt politicians out they could. No amount of military force can stop a revolt from within and the people could restore a competent gov that would properly represent their needs and wants.
One thing I realized about buying cheap and getting cheap goods is they don't last long. I realized every 3 to 4 months I was buying new mops and brooms from wal mart and while they were cheap at the time of purchase, I was spending a lot of money over the year, much much more than what the garbage I was buying was worth. I remember growing up we had one broom, one mop, my entire childhood. So I found a supplier of high quality mops and brooms, American made and I spent the extra money and so far, 10 years later, I'm still using the same mop and broom. I have saved a lot of money in the end.
Last point; And again, you were right that I do buy according to buy according to conscience. On my moms side of the family, they are jewish and my grandfather was born in the jewish ghetto in munich in the early 20s. He was a boy when my greatgrandparents fled Germany for America. The remainder of the family stayed behind believing that Austrian corporal wouldn't do anything and everyone should be a little more "positive"... My grandfather turned 18 in 1940 and he enlisted in the US Army and ended up coming back to Europe as a soldier in WW2. When the war was over the army gave him a 30 day leave to find his family in Germany. He found none. The germans has killed them all. Every last one of them. In the camps, including Auschwitz, the prisoners produced goods for german companies that were sold on the markets before and during the war.
In china, political prisoners as well as north Koreans are forced to make goods in Chinese factories. The north Koreans make no money and they don't see their families for years on end and they are blackmailed that if they escape their families in korea will be imprisoned. I think it's a real problem with ourselves when we have so few morals and ethics left in us that we make it ok to support this system without thinking of how human beings are suffering for our benefit so we can save a few dollars. I've noticed the incredible indifference regarding this fact. In the end I have to ask, what if it were your family, or you who were being forced to work to make goods that only profit the corrupt elite of china and North korea.. Considering it HAS been my family and growing up seeing how the events in Germany affected my family and the pain it permanently inflicted on my grandparents, listening to the inhuman stories, I find myself much more willing to take a stand and when I have to, make myself heard.
Good chatting with you.
Hi both, we blame the Chinese, but it's largely due to the "West" and its shareholders demanding more profits, so relocate manufacturing to cheaper parts of the country, or others. Next step is for designs to be copied, redesigned to cheaper, then quality, and work practices out the window.
@@bostedtap8399 It depends on who you mean when you say shareholders. I owned stocks in Dayton Hudson Corp years back and I never demanded more profit from them. I think it's more the corporate machine. The board wants a better bottom line and of course they want more money for themselves. The machine itself wants a larger profit margin so the first step is always going to be how to make production cheaper. We seen this over the past decades by making everything out of plastic. I have tools that are all metal, made in the 1950s, the same tools a decade later had the handles replaced with plastic handles. Then the guard was replaced with plastic. Then this, then that. At one time a router table was all cast iron construction. Now, they are made of pressed wood and sell for $400.00.
Enter Henry Kissinger; It was his trip to china that sold the west out and opened the door to move the manufacturing of Europe and America to china. And the west sent china entire factories so they could produce goods and by the early 80s the first products started to show up in western stores.
The end of the 1990s the market was flooded with Chinese goods. And bit by bit old established businesses went out of business. Established trades were lost and people were laid off and the job market became less and less skilled and more and more customer service based. And no college degree is needed for customer service. The fact is, the people have been sold out and it wasn't necc by the shareholders.
Maybe you should read about the opium wars.