M16A1/A2 Trap Doors On Colt/Fulton Armory/Windham Weaponry A2 Butt Plates!

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  • Comparison of trap door types on my A2 butt stocks and plates.

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  • @Cliff_Long
    @Cliff_Long 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    You are correct, that Fulton Armory stock has an A1 trap door and it's butt plate is one of the NOS surplus 90s era A2 butt plates that they are selling on their website. The latch on the A1 trap doors is meant to be opened with a bullet tip or even a flat blade screwdriver (save you fingers on those 😉).
    However, a couple years back I ordered 2 Fulton Armory A2 stocks. They came with refinished A1 trap doors and had silver (guessing nickel) finished latches which was kind of odd. Also, the butt plates were the Windham type with the generous bevel at the bottom of the door opening cutout that's meant to interface with the thick Windham plastic trap doors. The A1 trap doors rattled pretty badly on those due to the bevel, so I paired the A1 doors with A1 butt plates and put them into storage.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks for the intel! I was pretty sure that the Fulton was using an A1 but I'm still getting things figured out on the various butt stocks. I have just recently ordered the last 2 Colt butt plates and 2 more NOS Colt trap doors from APEX. We'll see how that one goes! Lol!

  • @dawsonschmidt3714
    @dawsonschmidt3714 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    You got me looking at my buttstocks. Better than listening to Harris and Walz talk about the Shining Path.

  • @KalanYore
    @KalanYore 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    In the army we used either a brass cartridge or a live round or a 3" flathead nail to open the trapdoor on our M16-A1s or making adjustments to the rear or front sight or to push out the 2 pins to separate upper and lower receiver.
    Served from 87' to 95'...+ 4 years IRR.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I got more small arms training than most sailors because I was shipboard security SAT and BAT. I got off the team in "92" when I changed commands. We were still using M14, 1911 and 870's! Lol! 1911 and shotgun for internal shipboard spaces and the M14 for flight deck, pier and perimeter. Our "Master at Arms" guys had the good stuff!

  • @garyK.45ACP
    @garyK.45ACP 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thanks, Pete.
    I also have a Colt HBAR from the late 80s which I used for Service Rifle competition for many years. Until then I used accurized M1 and M1A rifles (which I still own) but the AR eventually just dominated that competition. I don't shoot competition anymore, my old bones won't let me. If I were in the prone position for 20 minutes for the slow fire stage, they would have to call 911 to stand me up again.
    Mine Colt is still the original "sear block" configuration. I like what you did with yours, but I'll leave mine as is...because I also recently completed an M16A2 clone build, similar to yours but with a PSA lower receiver. With that one, I can install good triggers, BCGs, etc.
    I love the A2 rifle! While I have several other AR and M4 rifles, the A2 is sill my favorite.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks Gary! Yes, I'm not exactly a spring chicken anymore either! Painted the facia on the rear of my house last week and couldn't walk on my left foot for two days! One too many trips up and down the ladder. Geissele makes a large hole trigger that will work with the pinned in sear block without having to remove it. I had called Geissele twice to ask if it would work with the pinned sear block and both times was told no and that it would have to be removed! A commenter said that they will work and they did! Apparently the two idiots at Geissele that I talked with were clueless about their own product line!

  • @HaventHeardNone
    @HaventHeardNone 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    As men.......we are definitely preprogrammed to study butts.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes! But for me female only! Lol!

    • @HaventHeardNone
      @HaventHeardNone 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@peteregger7928 Well Duh!

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@HaventHeardNone Ha! Ha!

  • @John-zf5wc
    @John-zf5wc 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Good afternoon, Pete! Good information on the trap doors. You have excellent observation skills, and I'm amazed at the attention to detail you exhibit. Fine looking rifles. I liked your story of buying your first AR, the Colt I see there now. Back in '89, in California, just before the ban, and you finding it, calling the store, his stating only 2 were left, you ask him to hold one for you, and you were on your way. And the 2-week waiting period after purchasing before taking ownership! You'd think I watched your videos repeatedly or something! LOL! I received an email from Gunbroker advertising an auction Saturday. I'd never looked at their site much, but I clicked on an option of theirs, "Gun Parts", then "AR Parts". The first page, second item, was an A2 rear sight installation tool showing the latest bid as $7.75, with only 4-5 minutes left to bid. I hurried to set up an account, log in, and all that stuff. By the time I got all that done, I had missed out by 2 minutes! Dang thing sold for $8.05. It was still in the original packaging! I was about sick over that, but what the heck! LOL! I'd seen you install one using a small screwdriver instead and you said your USMC M16A2 Technical Manual 1984 edition gave that tip to you. Thanks for another informative video and have a great day, Pete!

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks John! Nothing has changed for the better in California as far as I can tell. I have tried to understand why so many people vote the way they do there? I think it was Margret Thatcher the prime minister of Great Britain being given credit for saying "The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend!". Fulton Armory sells an A2 rear sight install tool that is affordable. I have never used it but I don't see why it wouldn't work well? I make sure I have sufficient electrical tape on the screwdriver so that just the very edge of the blade is exposed. I tap the pin in ahead of time so that it just catches the edge of the spring. I crank the sight slot down just enough for that to happen so I do not have to compress the spring very much making sure the pin will enter the sight slot. I carefully depress the spring with the screwdriver and get the pin started over the nearest coil. Then repeat tapping the pin all the way through. I've been lucky four times now with no marring or scratches. It's like juggling feathers in a hurricane though!

    • @John-zf5wc
      @John-zf5wc 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@peteregger7928 Juggling feathers in a hurricane! Great analogy! LOL! Yes sir, it appears California has gone full on Marxist/Communist. I guess none of those people value freedom or God given rights, unless it's for illegals, queers, lesbians, and trannies! I could care less about their p.c. correct language or their idiotic proper pronoun usage! That's all B.S. imo! Get over it, get back in the damn closet, I don't even want to hear about it and damn sure don't want it pushed on my kids/grandkids in public school or Disney's immoral new cartoons! That isn't normal behavior, no matter how hard the left tries to say it is! O.K., sorry Pete, I was raised with Christain values and morals and will never agree with their destructive policies. Yes sir, I remember Margaret Thatcher well, during the Reagan administration. Quite a lady there, and another hated and feared by the left-wing, bird-brained zealots in America! LOL! Reagan said a similar quote about the Democrats, "they spend money like drunken sailors, but in defense of drunken sailors, the money they spend is their own!" Thanks for the tip on the A2 sight installation tool offered by Fulton Armory. It certainly is reasonably priced at $15 and change, although I think I'd just use your method. The tool I mentioned was a Schuster, made of metal. It's on Midway U.S.A.'s site for $35 and change, but says it's been discontinued now. I'll try to keep my rants and political views under wraps from here on, notice I used the word "try"!" LOL! Have a great day, Pete and I always appreciate your AR info and your conversation, in general!

  • @BenBelkin
    @BenBelkin 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for the info!

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks Ben! Figured it might help the RETRO guys!

  • @chrischiampo7647
    @chrischiampo7647 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So Many Variations of Trap Doors Pete Just Too Be Clone Correct 😮 Thanks For The Info 😊

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes! Another "Rabbit Hole"! Lol! Not all A2's are created equal! Just started out wanting the Windham all plastic door to stop rattling so bad!

  • @Lucysdad66
    @Lucysdad66 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I just found and put on my 2 AR that have A2 stocks a single point plate that goes on the back of the receiver like one on a colasable stock and looks and works great.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have an older type I bought back in the 90's. It's 1.250" if you just want to run your sling webbing through it or you can use a hook. It's only got a left side loop unlike a lot of others that have the loop on both sides. I've seen quite a few different QD types where your QD's attach to the side instead of the rear.

  • @Allenmar73
    @Allenmar73 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Nice upgrades. I purchased an A1 buttstock from CMMG, the fit was ok but the flimsy plastic door was the cheapest chineseum crap. I would've been happy with a plastic like you have taken off. Can't trust many of the supposedly quality AR parts companies not to deal chicom stuff. I think Luth AR is the same. If that helps anyone.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Any info is helpful Allen! There is so much crap out there now which is often my motivation for the videos. Still puzzling why so many risk their business reputations selling absolute garbage and some of it is dangerous!

    • @Allenmar73
      @Allenmar73 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@peteregger7928... I know man. Like they care about a quick buck more than a repeat customer. I won't ever buy anything from CMMG again. I will have to chance buying butt plate and door and hope they will fit. I'm fairly new at this, but may just start looking at surplus and settle for the beat up battle worn look. Lol

  • @onseki1774
    @onseki1774 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I got a plastic latch plastic door A2 stock from White Oak. I'm 90% sure they get them from Fulton Armory, but I'm still happy with it. I remember all my issued A4s had plastic doors with metal latches but the plastic latch is nice on my thumbnail and doesn't rust so I'm all about it.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't really have a preference but lean more towards metal. This adventure started because one of my all plastic Windham Weaponry butt stocks would rattle just walking by it! Lol!

  • @fastford2128
    @fastford2128 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I have a pretty large collection of AR's ranging from Colt on down the list , except Anderson.
    The Rattle I notice in both A1's and A2's is predominantly in the other than Colts. I love project build so Ive had my share of Stocks from just about every Retro supplier you care to name. My conclusions on noise are due to Thinner less hardened materials and less robust stock cores.
    The noise between my Colt A1 or A2's Vs a CMMG, Brownell's H&R or any other is perceptible to the deafest of ears. The only other possible thing is a drop off in the supposed Milspec Buffer Spring but thats not likely.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm still learning! This adventure started because one of the all plastic Windham Weaponry butt stock doors would rattle just breathing on it! I had considered and checked to see if it was buffer noise which they all do from the weight movement. This trap door was heinous!

  • @joshuasmith9350
    @joshuasmith9350 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I see why you don’t get much range time in . Fiddling with fiddling much of the time

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How do you know?

    • @ordinaryman1904
      @ordinaryman1904 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@peteregger7928of course we don’t know.
      But you almost never post shooting videos, your guns are way too clean, the Nevada desert gets unbearably hot.
      You just stated that your 30 year old Colt hasn’t got a scratch on it.
      I used to fancy myself an avid shooter with a fully prepped range bag, ammo can, magazines, cleaning kit.
      NutnFancy used to call it ‘tactically squared away’ and the ‘minuteman concept’
      I was that before TH-cam existed.
      These days, I only get to the range once or twice a year.
      So , yeah. . . I’m guessing you don’t get much range time.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ordinaryman1904 Usually about once a month sometimes more. I usually go out for function testing and to get the sights dialed in. The channel is mostly about the challenges of building and sharing that information with others and learning from others. His comment was randomly based on an unknown assumption and I took it as somewhat snide. Maybe that wasn't his intention. What is the approved or satisfactory amount of range time in his mind? So how does he know? Plenty of other channels much more popular and all they show is theatre, comedy, dressed in full kit while larping around the countryside. A lot of them have never served a day! My channel is not for everyone by design and will forever remain small. I'm okay with that. Trying to monetize or make money is not my goal either. I would never ask anyone to pay for my box of ammo. Not the most polished presentations but It's advertisement free and will stay that way too.

    • @ordinaryman1904
      @ordinaryman1904 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@peteregger7928 no one else presents the detailed information that you do.
      I’ve screwed a few parts together, but you actually build guns.
      There’s a difference.
      I’ve wondered, but don’t think I’ve asked, how often you shoot.
      I did ask if any of your builds are used in match competition.
      Because they certainly seem worthy.

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ordinaryman1904 Thanks Ordinary! I think most of my RETRO builds may be worthy of competition but my eyes these days are just not there when using irons. Computer glasses offer the most benefit of being able to see the sights and target for me but I have a difficult time getting behind the sights with them on! I had a new lens installed in my right eye awhile back which is decent for medium and long range non-shooting vision but I still often need reading glasses. My understanding is that now a lot of National Match and CMP type competitions are allowing optics now. Maybe there's hope for me yet? Took a lot of things for granted when I was younger! I used to work with an older guy when I was in my 40's. One day at work he stopped me and said, "Pete! Getting old isn't for the chickenshit!" He just went on down the hallway after that! He retired a few weeks later at age 71! I left the workforce at 59. Got tired of the politics and answering to idiots! Didn't want to become like them to get ahead!

  • @John-zf5wc
    @John-zf5wc 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hello Pete. Just a quick note here. Battle Hawk Armory has a sale on Knights Armament M4 rail covers including a "broomstick" (vertical front grip) and deployment bag. Price is $99.99. SKU# M4Takeoffs. Thought you may like a set for your recent M4 build. Enjoy your evening, Pete!

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks John! I'll take a look!

    • @John-zf5wc
      @John-zf5wc 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@peteregger7928 Yes sir, Pete. One question, if I may, please. On AR15tips under5minutes video where he shows how he made his three carry handle / front sight alignment tools, in the comment section, two or three people said the punch recommended wouldn't fit due to being too large in diameter. Most commenters never mentioned that, so I wondered your experience with it. 9/64" was his recommended size, as was yours, if I remember correctly. As they say in the U.K. "Give them 2.54 cm. and they'll take 1.093 kilometers!" LOL! Thanks and have a fine day, Big Pete!

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@John-zf5wc When cutting the inner tubing for size no matter what you use like a hack saw or cutting wheel... there will be a slight burr left behind on the ID/OD. I trimmed the ID burr with a box cutter blade. In my case the 9/64" precision center locating punch McMaster-Carr P/N 3374A15 was a perfect fit inside the precision 4130 alloy steel round tube ID .120" OD 3/8" P/N 89955K729. The tubing has a wall thickness of .120". Multiply that by two because we are dealing with a circle which becomes .240". Subtract .240" from .375" (3/8") OD which gives you an ID of .135". The 9/64" punch diameter comes in at about .140". The precision tubing and punch has a +/- tolerance which I don't remember but mine fit perfect using finger pressure. Assuming all material dimensions are perfect .140" minus .135" would require about a .005" punch diameter reduction. This would be .0025" per side (radius) of a circle. Mine fit without having to do anything so the tolerance planets were aligned in my case. Drill chuck and a file/abrasive on the punch should make quick work of any fitment issues.

    • @John-zf5wc
      @John-zf5wc 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@peteregger7928 Thanks, Pete! I knew you could straighten that out! I'm sure you understood the U.K. comment earlier, the metric version of "Give them an inch and they'll take a mile"!

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@John-zf5wc Yep! Lol! I actually think the Metric system is much easier to deal with! A lot of Europeans struggle with the fractional system!