Welcome Kia Ming, my pleasure :) Do let me know if you have any suggestion, I would love to hear from you all, so that I could learn more. Thanks for the support!
Hi Koon, well i'm newbie here and just playing a week ago.. and read all the gbf wiki but still miss some info.. and i try to get some info from youtube.. and almost all your video help most newb player.. well thanks
hi Koon, i want to ask about your opinion in your video, cosmos deck had about 64k atk and non cosmos deck had around 56k but the damage isnt really different in your video any clue about that? that's a really big difference actually
You can actually see the difference on his normal attacks. And I believe he's using ATK cosmos the reason why Lancelot's HP is lower and his Ougi damage is higher.
Thanks for the answer Marco :D Yeah, I was using atk cosmos dagger when I was recording the video. The difference was not very obvious when the weapons were first launched, because everyone had very low stats as there was not such thing as 4* weapons at that time. However, the story is totally different now. With new 4* weapons, new mastery bonus and new buffs, cosmos weapons become one of the most important components for single-type weapon decks, such as Lev dagger deck, Tiamat gun deck, cele fist deck, chev gun/sword deck etc.
For better understanding, some rough math would help people decide which one they want to use. The basic fact is that the +30% weapon attack does not mean +30% more damage, because Weapon Attack is not 100% of your Attack stat. Here are some lazy numbers that aren't from any real world grid, but give a rough idea of a Cosmic weapon's base effectiveness: SSR Lancelot: 10830 8 gaze knives + Bahamat + Cos knife: 25251 5 Omega Leviathans: 8075 The weapons here make up 57.18% of total damage (which would be even lower if you had much better summons than Omegas, such as living the dream of max uncapped Ca Ongs.). So the benefit of the Cosmic weapon by itself is only in the ballpark of 17.154% - not really any different from any other Weapon Damage Up skill. (Also note this boost is from the Character Proficiency multiplier, so if a character is already proficient in the weapon, that +17% goes down to +14%, due to the diminishing return.) Where it can really shine are in cases where you already have such large Magna, Normal, and Ex multipliers that adding to any one of them would suffer from diminishing returns. The Luminiera Sword comes close to that, but you could get a roughly identical payoff from slapping another EX weapon into that grid. So the base Cosmos weapon bonus by itself is roughly equivalent to a Big Attack and Big HP bonus. My suggestion is to look at these things not just as Weapon Affinity weapons, because you can find multiple other weapons that're comparable in raw power, and many quite better if what you want is more damage. But as Character Type weapons - Attacker, Defense, Balance, Healer, or Special. That's where the _real_ power of these weapons lie. If you're not exploiting that bonus, you're not really getting anything out of a Cosmic weapon.
Also here are some more precise numbers of those boosts: AT Attack Stance - +20% ATK and -40% HP BL Balance Stance - +20% DEF and +20% Double Attack Rate HE Healer Stance - 250 HP Regen and +15% Heal amount DF Defense Stance - +10% HP and +30% DEF Note that if your goal is to substantially increase your damage, the ONLY option is Attacker type. 20% double attack is very far from +20% damage (you can't double attack when you triple attack or ougi, it doesn't do anything for skills, it suffers from a diminished return because you have other sources of +multiattack already). Lumi Sword might be the only option in town to get that without having a team made of glass. The other options really only make your team a little more robust, effective HP-wise.
Nice video. Would you select the choice of Cosmos type, based on the kind of characters you play with? For example, nearly all of my characters in both Wind and Light team are Balance type. But someone I know went for the Special type gun primarily for the succes chance of debuffs landing. While I agree that is important, I don't have many Special type characters so I'd do it primarily just for the MC. And I think the Double Attack chance will make a considerable difference in my damage output.
Hey koon I was wondering about some stuff related to weapons What are the +number on weapons/summon/character that appear sometime when I upgrade them? Also I'm working on my water team and I don't understand the weapon deck building? Should I level up skills first? Thanks
The + number on weapons is Extra Bonus that boosts your hp and attack. Yes, you should definitely upgrade the weapon skills, as they give you more bonus or attack/hp. All weapon decks for magna+element summon combination are similar, you'll need 6 magna weapons, 1 or 2 baha weapons, 1 or 2 normal, and finally 1 or 2 unknown weapons. Cosmos weapon is optionally, until your power on mainpage is above 60k....uh....roughly there i think.
Koon, new-ish player here. Currently running a full sword earht setup with, aiming for a Cagliostro-Sigfried-Sarasa team (I have to get Sarasa, though). I'm planning on going something like 6 yggdra sword/1 baha sword/1 cosmos/ Uriel gauntlet and full uncapped andalus (probably gonna swap in latelatelatelategame an yggdra with an atma). But many tell me I'm better off with xeno vohu unk modifiers, allthough who knows when will it return. What you think, should I stick with the full sword plan? It gives me a faster and more tangible boost to my stats since i can already farm it and with that I Could technically tackle and many challenges, but Im afraid i'm wasting my time?
Hi Jacopo, full sword is fine, but having one or two Xeno Vohu harps in your grid provides you a higher multiplier, thus better dmg output. Magna is getting 4 stars soon, the grid meta may change again. The future is full of uncertainty, so I can't tell whether the harp worth farming next time when it returns. Nevertheless, you should always get at least 1 copy. The harp has nice skills anyway.
Thank you for your vdo that was awesome for newbie like me. And i have a question about if i got "DF weapon" should i play def character type all the team ? or what is your suggestion ? or depend on my team character ?
senpai's sexy voice exposed! xD so this is what u r working on lately, good job there :D thanks for the effort and yeah gotta try again when all daggers are lb4 and maxed lvl
Hi Koon, if I have mostly (Earth) Attack characters., but don't want to expose them to the downside of the AT-type Cosmos weapon, would it be fair to simply go with Balanced instead purely for the grid boost? Also, is Comos worth the effort if none of my Magna weapons are 4* yet (I am having trouble getting Sword Stones)? Thanks for the video.
Nice question Ultima :) Yeah, AT cosmos weapon is horrible to be frank, a dead chara means zero dmg, and that's very bad for long/HL raids like Lv150 bahamut etc. Balanced and Special cosmos weapons are good, but I wonder how many earth charas are balanced type, you might want to check your chara list again for optimized results. Well..... cosmos weapon is specially designed for 4* above, if you still haven't reached there (more than 60k power in your mainpage), basically they are as good as none. So no rush for cosmos weapon, take your time.
Both of them are good, and they have difference function for your weapon decks. So I can't compare them side by side and tell you which is better. My apologies :(
For 6man high level raids and certain boss raids only. A shared chest interface will pop up if you are the host, or when you are one of the guildies of host.
Alright, noob question: is katalina (grand) the water ssr good? Or really good? Or just soso? Or even suck? I got that chara in my first day in game Explain it to me please
I'm not a big fan of cosmos weapon. Personally I would choose 2 unknown SL15 over cosmos weapon. You can try both grids in trial battle if you're curious how well they work, but I believe the former is better.
koon, can u help me ...i'm just playing this game a couple week and my is still low . i don't know how to increase max level for summon monster ... i saw some ppl summon lvl more than 40 , can u help me how to increase max level for sumon ... and can we increase max level for characters or weapon too ... thanks
You can raise the lvl by limit break the summon or weapon. To do that, you need the exact same summon or weapon to uncap. For example, to uncap Odin, you'll need another odin; to fully uncap, you'll need 3 more Odins. If you don't have another copy of Odin, just join guild war and do this with crystal. You can also use gold bar or damascus steel to uncap weapon, but pls remember to think twice before you do that, because these materials are really really rare and important. They should only be used on very important weapons.
Koon, i was wondering how lancelot HP is lower in cosmos build (only 6.7k in video?? bugged? lol) while has 10k+ in normal one. overall cosmos can make HP and atk slightly higher than not using it. Thx for useful video ^^.
ah nvm seems i didnt saw cosmos atk type. thats why lancelot ougi hit much harder in cosmos (90k differences) than normal build, while other hits almost the same, only benefit maybe slightly more HP, in the end not using cosmos also good.
No prob Jeff. ;) You're right, cosmos weapons are good, but they don't really make a great different before we get our weapons to lv150, as they are percentage based. Although we don't see any significant impact on the overall dmg output, but I believe these weapons will create a noticeable gap when Cygames increases player's lvl cap to more than lv150.
Ah yea, your pool seems still not 4* 150 slvl 15 yet. Ic so they will become stronger when the pool get higher stat at lvl 150. Well guess even uncapping 1 weapon needs many summon stone. Sasuga grindblue.
Cosmos ATK weaps are a lot better than non-cosmos weap pools (if your party consists of mostly ATK characters) but the downside is the 40% HP reduction which isn't too bad because you can make up most of that with a bahamut weapon but it can be risky in longer fights when a boss hits hard. Though I think the Special type is better if you focus on a single element and like to solo things, because you won't have to worry about element weakness when debuffing.
Hi Koon, thanks for your GBF videos. It has been helpful for beginners like me who felt a little lost! Thank you!
Welcome Kia Ming, my pleasure :)
Do let me know if you have any suggestion, I would love to hear from you all, so that I could learn more. Thanks for the support!
Thanks for all the help Koon! It is greatly appreciated!
+Cantara Welcome! My pleasure :D
Recommended after 3 years
Nice comparison, goob job!
Thanks Dani :)
Hi Koon, well i'm newbie here and just playing a week ago.. and read all the gbf wiki but still miss some info.. and i try to get some info from youtube.. and almost all your video help most newb player.. well thanks
hi Koon, i want to ask about your opinion
in your video, cosmos deck had about 64k atk and non cosmos deck had around 56k
but the damage isnt really different in your video
any clue about that? that's a really big difference actually
You can actually see the difference on his normal attacks. And I believe he's using ATK cosmos the reason why Lancelot's HP is lower and his Ougi damage is higher.
i expect like that 9k damage difference will give some crazy damage, not reaching that point so i'm curious
Thanks for the answer Marco :D
Yeah, I was using atk cosmos dagger when I was recording the video.
The difference was not very obvious when the weapons were first launched, because everyone had very low stats as there was not such thing as 4* weapons at that time.
However, the story is totally different now. With new 4* weapons, new mastery bonus and new buffs, cosmos weapons become one of the most important components for single-type weapon decks, such as Lev dagger deck, Tiamat gun deck, cele fist deck, chev gun/sword deck etc.
thanks koon this is great stuff
Thanks Manh :)
For better understanding, some rough math would help people decide which one they want to use. The basic fact is that the +30% weapon attack does not mean +30% more damage, because Weapon Attack is not 100% of your Attack stat. Here are some lazy numbers that aren't from any real world grid, but give a rough idea of a Cosmic weapon's base effectiveness:
SSR Lancelot: 10830
8 gaze knives + Bahamat + Cos knife: 25251
5 Omega Leviathans: 8075
The weapons here make up 57.18% of total damage (which would be even lower if you had much better summons than Omegas, such as living the dream of max uncapped Ca Ongs.). So the benefit of the Cosmic weapon by itself is only in the ballpark of 17.154% - not really any different from any other Weapon Damage Up skill. (Also note this boost is from the Character Proficiency multiplier, so if a character is already proficient in the weapon, that +17% goes down to +14%, due to the diminishing return.)
Where it can really shine are in cases where you already have such large Magna, Normal, and Ex multipliers that adding to any one of them would suffer from diminishing returns. The Luminiera Sword comes close to that, but you could get a roughly identical payoff from slapping another EX weapon into that grid.
So the base Cosmos weapon bonus by itself is roughly equivalent to a Big Attack and Big HP bonus.
My suggestion is to look at these things not just as Weapon Affinity weapons, because you can find multiple other weapons that're comparable in raw power, and many quite better if what you want is more damage. But as Character Type weapons - Attacker, Defense, Balance, Healer, or Special. That's where the _real_ power of these weapons lie. If you're not exploiting that bonus, you're not really getting anything out of a Cosmic weapon.
Also here are some more precise numbers of those boosts:
AT Attack Stance - +20% ATK and -40% HP
BL Balance Stance - +20% DEF and +20% Double Attack Rate
HE Healer Stance - 250 HP Regen and +15% Heal amount
DF Defense Stance - +10% HP and +30% DEF
Note that if your goal is to substantially increase your damage, the ONLY option is Attacker type. 20% double attack is very far from +20% damage (you can't double attack when you triple attack or ougi, it doesn't do anything for skills, it suffers from a diminished return because you have other sources of +multiattack already). Lumi Sword might be the only option in town to get that without having a team made of glass.
The other options really only make your team a little more robust, effective HP-wise.
Nice video. Would you select the choice of Cosmos type, based on the kind of characters you play with? For example, nearly all of my characters in both Wind and Light team are Balance type.
But someone I know went for the Special type gun primarily for the succes chance of debuffs landing. While I agree that is important, I don't have many Special type characters so I'd do it primarily just for the MC.
And I think the Double Attack chance will make a considerable difference in my damage output.
Hey koon I was wondering about some stuff related to weapons
What are the +number on weapons/summon/character that appear sometime when I upgrade them?
Also I'm working on my water team and I don't understand the weapon deck building? Should I level up skills first?
Thanks
The + number on weapons is Extra Bonus that boosts your hp and attack.
Yes, you should definitely upgrade the weapon skills, as they give you more bonus or attack/hp.
All weapon decks for magna+element summon combination are similar, you'll need 6 magna weapons, 1 or 2 baha weapons, 1 or 2 normal, and finally 1 or 2 unknown weapons. Cosmos weapon is optionally, until your power on mainpage is above 60k....uh....roughly there i think.
Koon, new-ish player here. Currently running a full sword earht setup with, aiming for a Cagliostro-Sigfried-Sarasa team (I have to get Sarasa, though). I'm planning on going something like 6 yggdra sword/1 baha sword/1 cosmos/ Uriel gauntlet and full uncapped andalus (probably gonna swap in latelatelatelategame an yggdra with an atma). But many tell me I'm better off with xeno vohu unk modifiers, allthough who knows when will it return. What you think, should I stick with the full sword plan? It gives me a faster and more tangible boost to my stats since i can already farm it and with that I Could technically tackle and many challenges, but Im afraid i'm wasting my time?
Hi Jacopo, full sword is fine, but having one or two Xeno Vohu harps in your grid provides you a higher multiplier, thus better dmg output.
Magna is getting 4 stars soon, the grid meta may change again. The future is full of uncertainty, so I can't tell whether the harp worth farming next time when it returns. Nevertheless, you should always get at least 1 copy. The harp has nice skills anyway.
Me: Finally... I got enough horns for the sword...
Crew member: Hey guys! This share chest got a shiny sword!
Me: *Are... you... KIDDING ME*
lol...
😅
Do the cosmos weapons' 2nd skill affect Gran/Djeeta?
hey koon is cosmo gun bal better for me since i have a set up of lecia andira and korwa.
Thank you for your vdo that was awesome for newbie like me. And i have a question about if i got "DF weapon" should i play def character type all the team ? or what is your suggestion ? or depend on my team character ?
senpai's sexy voice exposed! xD so this is what u r working on lately, good job there :D thanks for the effort and yeah gotta try again when all daggers are lb4 and maxed lvl
+Brandon Lai *Cover face*... so embarrassing...
you get this item from share treasure or trade in shop ? i want ask , if i trade this weapon in treasure shop .. weapon already full uncap or no ?
Hi Koon, if I have mostly (Earth) Attack characters., but don't want to expose them to the downside of the AT-type Cosmos weapon, would it be fair to simply go with Balanced instead purely for the grid boost?
Also, is Comos worth the effort if none of my Magna weapons are 4* yet (I am having trouble getting Sword Stones)? Thanks for the video.
Nice question Ultima :)
Yeah, AT cosmos weapon is horrible to be frank, a dead chara means zero dmg, and that's very bad for long/HL raids like Lv150 bahamut etc. Balanced and Special cosmos weapons are good, but I wonder how many earth charas are balanced type, you might want to check your chara list again for optimized results.
Well..... cosmos weapon is specially designed for 4* above, if you still haven't reached there (more than 60k power in your mainpage), basically they are as good as none. So no rush for cosmos weapon, take your time.
Thank you! :D
halo koon i am player rank 80 i want advice bout what better revenant sword or baha sword? i have 1 baha horn
Both of them are good, and they have difference function for your weapon decks. So I can't compare them side by side and tell you which is better. My apologies :(
You want to get bahamut weapon if you need it for your weapon pool. Revenant weapons are used on one step of upgrading GW weapon
Can anyone explain how the shared chest works ? i am very puzzled
For 6man high level raids and certain boss raids only. A shared chest interface will pop up if you are the host, or when you are one of the guildies of host.
Alright, noob question: is katalina (grand) the water ssr good? Or really good? Or just soso? Or even suck?
I got that chara in my first day in game
Explain it to me please
Prasta garnika you lucky sonofa .. sorry xD
im asking, i still think its not that good tho, i only play for story and art btw
SSR Katalina is a jackpot. One of the best water charas :)
SIR kOON what would you suggest now? 2unk sl15 or 1unksl15 pinya dagger with comso dagger on magna water.? which of the 2 do more damage?
I'm not a big fan of cosmos weapon. Personally I would choose 2 unknown SL15 over cosmos weapon. You can try both grids in trial battle if you're curious how well they work, but I believe the former is better.
Anyone know the percentage of HP reduction from ATK type cosmos weapons?
I'm so confuse for the grid weapon wind , i have 7 tiamat bolt , 1 baha , 1cosmos gun , 1 nebuchad , where i must put spear rotb ? Thanks
leo shine mainhand ( ・∇・) or get rid of it
hi sandpai
would dark mains get a cosmos weapon btw? since dark pool usually consist of axes so i shud get cosmos axe?
Yes Cash san, you can do that. :)
It's all about personal preference.
hmmm i see, just don't wanna screw up tho haha would want to build my pool as good as possible
koon, can u help me ...i'm just playing this game a couple week and my is still low . i don't know how to increase max level for summon monster ... i saw some ppl summon lvl more than 40 , can u help me how to increase max level for sumon ... and can we increase max level for characters or weapon too ... thanks
You can raise the lvl by limit break the summon or weapon.
To do that, you need the exact same summon or weapon to uncap. For example, to uncap Odin, you'll need another odin; to fully uncap, you'll need 3 more Odins.
If you don't have another copy of Odin, just join guild war and do this with crystal. You can also use gold bar or damascus steel to uncap weapon, but pls remember to think twice before you do that, because these materials are really really rare and important. They should only be used on very important weapons.
Koon, i was wondering how lancelot HP is lower in cosmos build (only 6.7k in video?? bugged? lol) while has 10k+ in normal one. overall cosmos can make HP and atk slightly higher than not using it. Thx for useful video ^^.
ah nvm seems i didnt saw cosmos atk type. thats why lancelot ougi hit much harder in cosmos (90k differences) than normal build, while other hits almost the same, only benefit maybe slightly more HP, in the end not using cosmos also good.
No prob Jeff. ;)
You're right, cosmos weapons are good, but they don't really make a great different before we get our weapons to lv150, as they are percentage based.
Although we don't see any significant impact on the overall dmg output, but I believe these weapons will create a noticeable gap when Cygames increases player's lvl cap to more than lv150.
Ah yea, your pool seems still not 4* 150 slvl 15 yet. Ic so they will become stronger when the pool get higher stat at lvl 150. Well guess even uncapping 1 weapon needs many summon stone. Sasuga grindblue.
Cosmos ATK weaps are a lot better than non-cosmos weap pools (if your party consists of mostly ATK characters) but the downside is the 40% HP reduction which isn't too bad because you can make up most of that with a bahamut weapon but it can be risky in longer fights when a boss hits hard.
Though I think the Special type is better if you focus on a single element and like to solo things, because you won't have to worry about element weakness when debuffing.
love you