Walluh: “Honestly, I’ve been using the Khovostov ALL weekend and I haven’t used handguns in awhile so this gameplay might be kinda..POOP” *Proceeds to show 10 minutes of exceedingly “unpoop-like” gameplay*
The only thing I'd change about the hc is the sight. I love the way it feels (I have Rangefinder and explosive payload) but I wish it had like steady hand sights
@benyoung1224 what's wrong with them? They hit red and orange bars like a truck, Zaoli's and Luna's Howl are great for solar builds, and BD is actually good for Strand builds because it got the perks Kept Confidence should have.
Try using the () or (,.) keys on pause, just don't know what keyboard layout you have to see frame by frame. His response is incredible. Took all of about 5 frames.
I've went through hundreds of these things looking for perpetual motion, zen moment, accurized and hammer-forged with a range masterwork. I feel like this hand cannon can compete you just need the best one, I've come close to getting it settled on a roll with smallbore/reload masterwork for rn
Yeah, 70 range with zen and the amount of stability you can get, definetly lets it hang, but honestly. I'm thinking Austringer is just far superior, you could go MAX range and still have 69 stability. The stats on that thing are nuts
@@thenexus7343 They are, it really is the superior hand cannon, but with perp motion it can get the better devils feeling good enough, at least on console to compete. I honestly really just like the guns model lol
I love it in PvE, bc Prismatic and Swashbuckler. For PvP, it feels great but youre facing literally a crafted Austringer at baseline in terms of Kinetic choices
I've got a god roll Better Devils that you might really enjoy if you want to take it for a spin. Smallbore/Hammer Forged, Accurized, Perpetual, Zen Moment, and a range mw. I went ahead and enhanced it and it feels like a more crispy version of Austringer honestly. It doesn't take long for the first stack of Perpetual to kick in and the second one comes shortly after. You don't really have to change how you play to keep the stacks once they're up either, so it's basically a free +20 to handling, stability, and reload. It pretty much entirely fixes the bad stat package and Zen Moment makes it a monster for duels. Lmk if you want to take it for a spin!
Cork/accurized and range masterwork is only 65 range and 45 handling. Unless you enhance, then it would add stats but 75/57 is not possible on this thing unless you use elecap with an Arc super. Enhanced EC and Fullbore would be 75/80.The only way to get 75 range is with full bore and that leaves you with 32 stab and 35 handling.
I've been using Better Devils since the beta. I have an Outlaw + Kill Clip roll from Forsaken that's been my go-to in everything besides Trials. It feels way better than its stats imply.
Hot take, but but the stats on this are fine for a 140. It feels great, but it also feels like it's only effective within a reasonable rang a hand cannon should be effective in, and I like that a lot better than being able to just get 100 range on Igneous Hammer and outmatch scouts and snipers with a 120.
I kinda do too, I would trade dumb range for a better feeling gun with one of the best origin traits in the game, that it actually makes a difference on the gun it's on. Which is what this gun does.
The way you can move on mouse and keyboard is insane. Moving this fast while ADS on controller is just impossible. Prime example of why cross play should be an option for console players.
I'm farming for moving target, zen moment personally. I want smallbore, acc, range mw/stability. I'm gonna be using ophidians on all classes anyways so handling isn't too much of an issue for me. Range and stability are fire.
Dude I posted about this online in a destiny group. I love that my gun model and it feels so good. I love my true prophecy and steady hand. Bungie brought back a lot of old weapons and left them with crappy stats. That causes them to not be able to compete with other weapons. I’m not saying they should make them better or cracked but at least better. They could have given this thing 3-4 range & +5-6 stability and handling across the board and/or made it a lightweight frame. But why would they do this. Bungo be like that. Personally anything under like 50 stability doesn’t feel good to me.
does anyone have any tips on getting better with handcannons? i swear im just hot ass with them no matter how much i try but its nearly unfair to play against a gun that has a 700ms ttk when your guns have 1s ttk
I don’t know why bungie bothers making some 140s with horrible stats, you’re down 20 range compared to lots of other handcannons and you’re not gonna hit the 3 tap nearly as far
It really does feel like they made it a PVE weapon this time around. This thing absolutely RIPS with Threaded Spike and Facet of Bravery. Good for a Gunpowder build as well with Hatchling.
Fellow snipers, idk if im trippin or if theres a reason, but i can snipe so much better on aggressive frames, meanwhile on a rapid fire like supremacy where targeting mods push to 100 AA, i cant hit shots worth a dam. Is zoom or range more helpful than AA, or am i trippin?
Better Devils needs to take notes from Kept Confidence, since that has a pretty juicy stat package. Plus I prefer revolver models as well as the heavy bass sound of Kept Confidence, so I think I'm passing over this one.
The funny thing is that with prismatic it's the second or third best stat'd 140 in the game. Elemental capacitor on void to handle stability, opidian on your class item to boost handling, hammer-forged/accurized/range mw. Preferably perpetual for even more stats.
Yeah idk, imo anything 40 handling or more feels good enough especially with armor mods. I dont need my hc to have 80 range and handling or anything for it to feel good to me
"this this has horrible stats, i wont win anything with it" *proceeds to stop each round into the abyss* "why did that guy leave after 2 rounds" because he knew he cant do sh*t against you and panduh lol
Watching this game play (well prismatic gameplay not really this) and then going back and watching game play for 6 months ago. Its a different game. Bungie really stepped it up over with this expansion and the previous season. I am just tired of playing the game which sucks because the game is literally the best its ever been but I just dont have the drive to play.
So here I am to apply how this thing is good... for the free to play player. sure I doubt they got the patience to grind out a Smallbore acurised zen moment roll. but hey its a option. (but for real go get the d.f.a is easyier to get a decent roll on... if u are a free to play)
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Ain’t no way
Really. This is the first comment
I have a theory that he made this his old name that’s why it got automatically changed to guardian
Lmao
Nice. 😏
3:41 Wallah: "I cant win any fights with this thing."
*Proceeds to win all fights with this thing*
Walluh:
“Honestly, I’ve been using the Khovostov ALL weekend and I haven’t used handguns in awhile so this gameplay might be kinda..POOP”
*Proceeds to show 10 minutes of exceedingly “unpoop-like” gameplay*
“This guy left after round 2 why?”
Because he’s playing wallah and panduh bro 😂
The only thing I'd change about the hc is the sight. I love the way it feels (I have Rangefinder and explosive payload) but I wish it had like steady hand sights
5:25 that was so disrespectful holy shit
Im goin for that max range rapid hit zen moment
Rapid shit*
Rapid hit is not great on hand cannons.
Go perp + zen instead
@@Zurrke I got perp opening that been feeling noice
@@6fronts373it is on console, don’t do drugs
I’m mainly happy that it has Slice (or Demo) with Hatchling for PVE since Kept Confidence mainly had PvP Perks.
Who the f is using a 140 in pve 😂
@benyoung1224 what's wrong with them? They hit red and orange bars like a truck, Zaoli's and Luna's Howl are great for solar builds, and BD is actually good for Strand builds because it got the perks Kept Confidence should have.
@@benyoung1224 140 hcs are some of the best pve primaries in the game rn?
@@McNightSkull if your playing strikes 😂 actually tell a lie sun shot is cracked
@@benyoung1224they’re the best primary in pve
Wallah: "this gun sucks"
Also Wallah: *destroys everything in sight with it*
I really wish there was a way to see your "Distance slid" stat
Bungie nerfed weighted throwing knife and no has said anything
How did they nerf it?
Cause nobody uses it in this meta
what was the nerf? can it no longer one shot headshot 100res guardians?
How?
barely anyone uses it
Imagine signing into the game to farm some pulse rifles, and running into wallah and panduh.
Wouldn’t matter my random teammates make any opposing team look like 3 wallahs
@@Misalaneusbalsacright 😂
Yo wallah i have an old roll with timed payload that go unsunsetted if u wanna do a video on that
no way i got shit on in this video
The description though 😂 "Bungie what have you done to it.
EUPHONY LINEAR FUSION RIFLE"
Enlightened action + Zen moment allows u to build into range. Both proc on hits anyway so its a great combo too.
Right, but ophidians on hunter? 🔥
it’s a really good pve handcannon at least, i got slice + explosive payload
06.36😂❤hahaha loving the reaction with the sorcerer wizard
nadir focus is insane
I had to put the video at 0.25x speed to see how you hit 3:11. That's just insane dude.
Try using the () or (,.) keys on pause, just don't know what keyboard layout you have to see frame by frame. His response is incredible. Took all of about 5 frames.
I dont understand Bungie's committment to reprising fan favorite weapons and making them terrible
I've went through hundreds of these things looking for perpetual motion, zen moment, accurized and hammer-forged with a range masterwork. I feel like this hand cannon can compete you just need the best one, I've come close to getting it settled on a roll with smallbore/reload masterwork for rn
Bro I can’t even with how many of these of opened for Hammer, accurized, perp, zen, with stability. I have 3 in both columns now😭
@@JA-si6sj Don't give up man, I'm sure we'll get one soon!
Yeah, 70 range with zen and the amount of stability you can get, definetly lets it hang, but honestly. I'm thinking Austringer is just far superior, you could go MAX range and still have 69 stability. The stats on that thing are nuts
@@thenexus7343 They are, it really is the superior hand cannon, but with perp motion it can get the better devils feeling good enough, at least on console to compete. I honestly really just like the guns model lol
It feels really good tho but alot of good perks but it's hard to use it in the meta
Sure
I think enhanced perpetual motion is a great perk to hunt for on this weapon, to easily compensate for the lack of base stats.
I love it in PvE, bc Prismatic and Swashbuckler. For PvP, it feels great but youre facing literally a crafted Austringer at baseline in terms of Kinetic choices
5:59 where is the pixel you hit ong
I've got a god roll Better Devils that you might really enjoy if you want to take it for a spin.
Smallbore/Hammer Forged, Accurized, Perpetual, Zen Moment, and a range mw.
I went ahead and enhanced it and it feels like a more crispy version of Austringer honestly. It doesn't take long for the first stack of Perpetual to kick in and the second one comes shortly after. You don't really have to change how you play to keep the stacks once they're up either, so it's basically a free +20 to handling, stability, and reload. It pretty much entirely fixes the bad stat package and Zen Moment makes it a monster for duels.
Lmk if you want to take it for a spin!
On mine I have corkscrew rifling+ accurized rounds+ rapid hit+explosive payload+range masterwork+75 range and 57 handling
Cork/accurized and range masterwork is only 65 range and 45 handling. Unless you enhance, then it would add stats but 75/57 is not possible on this thing unless you use elecap with an Arc super. Enhanced EC and Fullbore would be 75/80.The only way to get 75 range is with full bore and that leaves you with 32 stab and 35 handling.
@@otisdriftwood7094 bro add me on destiny I'll show you tschmid#0180
1:00 this is where ophidian on the class item comes in.
Any tips on instant slide? almost without sprint?
How do we reach out and share rolls you might be interested in doing?
Going for explosive and rangefinder, any range I can get
What is the roll on the matador you’re using?
I like the sound. I also liked the sound of Duke Mk.44 a lot but they haven't brought that back yet , that I know of
Yeah I've been using my old dukes that I hung onto, love that gun
Duke has the same sound as austringer and Lunas howl. Better devils same as steady hand and true prophecy.
A single dexterity mod will give you faster handling times than running fluted and sacraficing range
I dont think i used a hc with nadir focus origin trait.
Cuz its the only one despite the many models being reused.
I have a Rose with this exact roll and max range 43. Explosive payload doesn’t seem to care though.
Dude kovastov is broken. Bouncing bullet just out of nowhere cost me so many match’s 😢
jesus wallah never ceases to amaze me with how cracked he is
How much handling would you consider enough or “the minimum” for hand cannons (for 140s/120s)?
I've been using Better Devils since the beta. I have an Outlaw + Kill Clip roll from Forsaken that's been my go-to in everything besides Trials. It feels way better than its stats imply.
In the topic of og guns how bout using duke .44?
Wait a minute wtf better devils is a 140???? I thought it was a 120 cause of true prophecy gun model lmfao
Perpetual and opening shot with max range, it feels nice
Hot take, but but the stats on this are fine for a 140. It feels great, but it also feels like it's only effective within a reasonable rang a hand cannon should be effective in, and I like that a lot better than being able to just get 100 range on Igneous Hammer and outmatch scouts and snipers with a 120.
I kinda do too, I would trade dumb range for a better feeling gun with one of the best origin traits in the game, that it actually makes a difference on the gun it's on.
Which is what this gun does.
i wanna know what fragments and other subclass stuff you use 😫
Idk if this is copium but I wonder how slice would do cause you can doge and make a tangle by killing with HC then shoot tangle for blast.
I think perpetual motion is like the best perk for this hc, with small bore accurized and range mw you get 69 stability, 67 range and 60 handling
Nadir handcannons also just look nice too.
The way you can move on mouse and keyboard is insane. Moving this fast while ADS on controller is just impossible. Prime example of why cross play should be an option for console players.
Playing against you and Panduh must have sucked this weekend
Wish they put Strategist on this gun like they did with every other gun this release
Small, acc,perp,zen,range mw.
It's a good entry level handcannon but that's about it.
It has demo, hatchling for pve tho which is good for strand.
I'm farming for moving target, zen moment personally. I want smallbore, acc, range mw/stability. I'm gonna be using ophidians on all classes anyways so handling isn't too much of an issue for me. Range and stability are fire.
Dude I posted about this online in a destiny group. I love that my gun model and it feels so good. I love my true prophecy and steady hand. Bungie brought back a lot of old weapons and left them with crappy stats. That causes them to not be able to compete with other weapons. I’m not saying they should make them better or cracked but at least better. They could have given this thing 3-4 range & +5-6 stability and handling across the board and/or made it a lightweight frame. But why would they do this. Bungo be like that. Personally anything under like 50 stability doesn’t feel good to me.
U disrespected them wit that suspend I'd be on palworld after that shit sheeeesh😂
everything else being what it is still gotta love the noise of that thing
does anyone have any tips on getting better with handcannons? i swear im just hot ass with them no matter how much i try but its nearly unfair to play against a gun that has a 700ms ttk when your guns have 1s ttk
Just use Luna howl with Luna perk and high stability u can still get it in onslaught mode
I don’t know why bungie bothers making some 140s with horrible stats, you’re down 20 range compared to lots of other handcannons and you’re not gonna hit the 3 tap nearly as far
I honestly think the stats are wrong cause I have your exact roll but with range and it feels sticky
bro got the perpetual zen last week with 65 range and like 55 handling enhanced it i win sooo many fights have 300 kills on it without playing much
I have max range enhanced elemental capacitor and perpetual motion. 70 range, 69 stability. Feels super good to use on void.
Dude, whoever is making those thumbnails is absolutely cooking!!
That's fire as hell 🔥🔥
It really does feel like they made it a PVE weapon this time around.
This thing absolutely RIPS with Threaded Spike and Facet of Bravery. Good for a Gunpowder build as well with Hatchling.
Honestly it's great with slice/hatchling or whatever you want
Imagine loading into a trials game and it's Wallah and Panduh on the other team 😅
Im mainly going to grab a roll for nostalgia purposes. It was my favorite hc in year 1, wish i still had it
Fellow snipers, idk if im trippin or if theres a reason, but i can snipe so much better on aggressive frames, meanwhile on a rapid fire like supremacy where targeting mods push to 100 AA, i cant hit shots worth a dam. Is zoom or range more helpful than AA, or am i trippin?
Better Devils needs to take notes from Kept Confidence, since that has a pretty juicy stat package.
Plus I prefer revolver models as well as the heavy bass sound of Kept Confidence, so I think I'm passing over this one.
This thing shouldn't even have been added in this state. The stats are horrible. KC can get great range and stability.
Playing with Panduh…that’s hard. 2 of my favorite creators
pls tell me, whats ur dpi?
You can get rapid hit/zen moment on this but I haven’t gotten a good 3rd column perk yet the best one I got so far is a demo/frenzy for PvE
The funny thing is that with prismatic it's the second or third best stat'd 140 in the game. Elemental capacitor on void to handle stability, opidian on your class item to boost handling, hammer-forged/accurized/range mw. Preferably perpetual for even more stats.
Bro if we gonna use ophids then there's like 10 different handcannons that overstat it 😂
Instruction unclear, am already pulling you to the next part.
got one with fluted/accurized/perpetual/explosive/range MW and it feels pretty spicy tbh
I didn't realize they brought it back to the loot pool. How do you get it?
It’s the new Crucible drop
i remember the better devils back in the d2 pvp beta damn that was a different time lol
@9:52 your teammate actually fucked you by landing the killing blow, making it THEIR tangle and you do less damage to it xD
Yeah idk, imo anything 40 handling or more feels good enough especially with armor mods. I dont need my hc to have 80 range and handling or anything for it to feel good to me
i just don't like the scope on it :^
You can dump range now with ophidian cloak.
Dude isn't taking off stompees
LOL that face at the end...
I still think this weapon needs a 15+ stat buff to compete
How tf does he grapple and go 10 miles but i use grapple and go 3ft...
My brain just tells me it’s a 120 and I can’t stop it I end up gun fighting like I have a 120 when I know it’s not lol 😊
"this this has horrible stats, i wont win anything with it" *proceeds to stop each round into the abyss*
"why did that guy leave after 2 rounds" because he knew he cant do sh*t against you and panduh lol
Got the spare rations treatment. What a shame
Watching this game play (well prismatic gameplay not really this) and then going back and watching game play for 6 months ago. Its a different game. Bungie really stepped it up over with this expansion and the previous season. I am just tired of playing the game which sucks because the game is literally the best its ever been but I just dont have the drive to play.
So here I am to apply how this thing is good... for the free to play player.
sure I doubt they got the patience to grind out a Smallbore acurised zen moment roll. but hey its a option.
(but for real go get the d.f.a is easyier to get a decent roll on... if u are a free to play)
OMG Ive thought it was a 120 this whole time 😭😭
I was waiting this video of you; wanted to see what you think about it. Thanks wallah!
I’m farming this s*** for days now, for my PvE Demo/hatchling. I got rapid hit/slice/pugilist/enlightened… all with hatchling. DEMO WON’T COME HOME.
Day 9: Damn, just got to wait longer (hopefully not until I am finally able to play the game)
Should have called it Worse Devils
Wallah been real quite since Buincey video dropped.
Thats the best cut at the end
Stats dont make a damn bit of difference, I'd think we all knew this after 10 years.
Delusional.
I miss better devils from d2 year 1, im just happy that its back ❤
The 1v1 guy is gone😢
88 recoil 75 aim assist and like 40ish stability. They were really trying to give annual skate a run for its money lol.
My rollhits 37m range with opening shot 🤷♂️