You should try Grapple + Blink. Not necessarily the strongest combo in the world, but it's really fun. I've done it without prismatic back when strand first launched because if you grapped the strand subclass thing in the mission while on blink you'd keep the same double jump and have both strand and blink. edit: also, big brain play. Use Ascension with Blink. Blink for blink things, Ascension for normal double jump things.
@@vigneshmohan1464 Luna’s didn’t perform like Sunshot back then. It was always a PvP weapon until Into the Light. So if you really want to be technical about it then Zaouli’s Bane is actually older than Sunshot. I knew it as a void exotic hand cannon way back in D1.
@@trickshotgamingtrickshotgamingbecause it’s difficult to get value out of KC in trials? Not everything has to be a trials meta, some guns can be fun for 6s
One of my first drops was a keep away/voltshot role and it's a blast in PVE. Unlimited amplified buff as long as there's red bars to spam. Run it with prismatic warlock and (of course) get away artist for even more synergy.
DSC one (in a like-for-like) or LW one are just so much better, though. Fair enough if you don't have them, I guess. If it was a burst frame, then that'd at least be something to make it different.
@@killafx4726 slower reloads or at least the dsc one feels like it. The lw one I have max reload on it and it needs a reload mod to make voltshot worth. The first roll I got with vs on this one had no reload boosters and it feels faster than the dsc one
With enhanced precision instrument it 3-taps 5 resil and under, with Bakris and precision instrument it 3-taps all resiliences. The true successor of not forgotten.
If you go Full bore, Accurized and Fragile Focus with a range masterwork you can hit 36m range. Ophidian Cloak counteracts low handling and precision instrument makes it feel like a 140. It's insane.
How did he know where that guy was at 18:35? I understand he could have known that they went mid from the previous engagement, but he clearly aimed for the corner on the left and not higher up for a clearer vantage point to follow up into mid
at around 6:50 you switched to my loadout with some differences. I use HOIL sixth coyote with winters shroud and threaded spectre. Then I go rat king cause the invis works with that class ability fragment. It cooks you may want to try. (also marksman dodge because a kill plus dodge means you go invis, reload, heal, put a spectre, and slow enemies around)
I got spirit of dragon and spirit of worm husk on class item and it’s incredible in PVP. Dodging gives me my melee, drops a clone, reloads my weapon, maxes out handling, and gives me health/shield
180s are honestly underrated. Huge AE and 50% crit forgiveness. With their insane AA, this means that you will *always* hit your four taps, while your opponent on a 140 or 120 needd perfect accuracy while dealing with 180 flinch. I'm not saying that I'm bringing posterity to my flawless game, I'm still taking Igneous, but don't underrstimate what 50% forgiveness requirement means.
Clearly haven’t played since the power level base was under 1350. He did it at The Enclave, place introduced in Witch Queen. Craftable weapon patterns.
how do you even get this handcannon first time? I kept trying with all my engrams at the vendor, but she never gives it to me ... i have everything else but that weapon
@@milleniumadam8643 If I'm not misremembering, you can't get it from engrams until you, so you may just be wasting them. Also, had that happen to me last season, had the patterns for everything else before I got a single hand cannon drop. When I finally got one I had so many engrams I just focused it until I had the pattern.
Can you try a prismatic build with strand and combination blow with the xiv scout rifle(rapid hit + explosive payload) and any arc smg of your choice and tell me how it feels. i want to know your opinion cause thats my present build for pve and pvp with the arc super and the dodge that returns melee
Mr. Wallah the new ammo system lets you get ammo for Ergo Sum whenever you pick up the ammo from primary kills (you don't get it from crates or respawns). Do with this information as you will
Wallah if you want to try getting 3 taps on a 180 then go get a Trust. 1 kill with golden tricorn will let you 3 tap. Then get a melee kill that makes you radiant, which combined with golden tricorn x2 allows you to 2 tap people at any resil. 2 tap Trust is very silly
@@epicsauce956there’s a couple of solid ones especially PvP kill clip 180s are slept on, just use the full auto mod for it and it feels like a better scout
I'm more surprised that you managed to do so well with Precision Instrument. It honestly does nothing substantial for 180's. I run Hammer-Forged, Accurized, Enlightened Action, and Kill Clip with a Range MW. Enlightened Action is a double-edged sword; You can either have a fast swap or a fast reload but not both, and only right after a fight. Keep Away feels more consistent, but the low(ish) handling at all times is definitely noticeable. Also; People forget how massively buffed Precision frame HCs got from the range normalization. They have a lower base range stat, but are much closer to 140's than they were previously.
Like ofc kc is good but it needs the first kill. And ofc that is the og for 180s but precision still just feels better to me and idky maybe people are gonna be above 5 resil by the next act and PI is gonna feel bad and we'll be going back to kc or PI will still feel good to me regardless
@@ghostridernz17 PI's advantage is challenging DR, overshields, and pushing crit range. Ideally you're using a shotgun or sniper for that. If you have to use a primary you'd want to out-range them, and a 120, scout, or pulse rifle is better for that. It's by no means a completely useless perk, I personally feel that it's not the best for a 180.
kinda sad with this vid, i was hype for this gun because i love 180s but all he did was say 180s were trash over and over instead of any comparisons to other 180s.
I love the look of this season's weapons. And this is genuinely one of the best 180s in the game... its just a shame that its a 180. Cracked range for a 180 and precision instrument or KC. Plus, if you want 3-taps, pairing a non-weapon perk damage bonus with Precision Instrument is probably your best bet, it goes crazy. Like, with enhanced precision instrument on this thing... you only need a 4.5% damage bonus to 3-tap all resilience levels. That's two surge mods, not even three or four, no, TWO. That's less than the void Weaken debuff gives in pvp. That's less than half of that of Radiant. Like, Sanguine Alchemy WITHOUT an empowering rift can 3-tap with Precision Instrument on this. Don't sleep on this gun. edit: Oh. With Precision Instrument alone, and no damage buff, then this gun 3-taps until T5 resil.
i think when i used thing, the highest res i got a three tap on was either 6 or 7 res anything higher was not possible unless radiant, fun little gun, 6s weapon for sure
PI is a trials/comp perk and it sucks radiant can only be procced easily on hunter. And also bakris dodge makes it 3 tap too but again it's a 1min timer and it's not consistent enough but man it's so close to being a consistent trials weapon in the 180 department
I just can’t with 180s.. stats are so ass and I’m so used to flicking my shots it’s hard for me to adapt to a 180 rpm and consistently hit my headshots
Its not a meta 140 or igneous hammer so you're not gonna get gifted crits on a silver platter. Gotta spend more time getting better positioning so you get the first shot off and building into flinch resistance
Is the cannon even like, half decent for pve? I saw the base stats and felt very underwhelmed. I like using 180s, but so many are just ass and the sand box hasn't ever been kind to them, since they often get hit by nerfs aimed at igneous and zhoulis.
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You should try Grapple + Blink.
Not necessarily the strongest combo in the world, but it's really fun. I've done it without prismatic back when strand first launched because if you grapped the strand subclass thing in the mission while on blink you'd keep the same double jump and have both strand and blink.
edit: also, big brain play. Use Ascension with Blink. Blink for blink things, Ascension for normal double jump things.
the nade launcher is also insane if your only fighting monsters
It’s good in PVE
Wallah you gotta have a golden hope
5:00 you know it's a pve game, right?
Real ones know Zaouli’s Bane is the true son of Sunshot.
True
I prefer Lunas howl to that.... abomination.
I would say that’s like a stepson , Luna’s would be legit son 😂😂😂
@@vigneshmohan1464 Luna’s didn’t perform like Sunshot back then. It was always a PvP weapon until Into the Light. So if you really want to be technical about it then Zaouli’s Bane is actually older than Sunshot. I knew it as a void exotic hand cannon way back in D1.
Whats that
I like how this hand cannon has the eyasluna model, probably the cleanest hand cannon model in the game IMO
I hate that its a 180
@@kingshiira660 Only thing that keeps me from using it
i can dream that one day i'll get an eyasluna or kindled orchid double fire hc
@@breakout8904 Y'all need to give 180s a chance.
Austringer: am I a joke to you?
Wallah when the vex gun looks like a vex gun 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Are you telling me the vex themed hand cannon looks similar to the vex themed ornament for a hand cannon?
It's just so refreshing seeing a 180 with crosshairs not halfway inside the barrel, eyasluna model is just so good.
Maybe this is why it feels so clean to me??
180 kill clips are nasty, you’re sleeping on it wallah, 180 fire rate 140 TTK
Fr people sleep on em till they're calling you a cheater 🤬🤬🤬 angry af when it wasn't even hard to do literally just a sleeper handcannon man I love it
Faster than 140
There is a reason top tier players in trials NEVER use 180s
Wouldn't be a 140 TTK. It would be faster. Unless you meant shots to kill, a three tap.
@@trickshotgamingtrickshotgamingbecause it’s difficult to get value out of KC in trials? Not everything has to be a trials meta, some guns can be fun for 6s
You can 3 tap all resil with mask of Bakris and precision instrument
21:00 the sweat couldnt handle losing to a 180 😂
Bro know way you got the dude grappling in, second dude pushing then pulled a Neo dodged the Rocket then out played the next three. 😂😂 good stuff!
6:06 did u not notice the we ran? 😂
4:56 That’s why it can have Voltshot, Radiolaria Transponder is a more PvE origin perk
I might have to hop back on destiny 2 for this
Its the best Destiny 2 has ever been
@@EtotheFnDfacts
takes a while to 3 tap someone, kill clip gives you confirmed 3 tap and ttk is insane on this, one of my favs for pvp
Going from an Esotrerick vid to a Wallah vid right after is an experience.
Bakris dodge and you can 3 tap all resilience bc it's arc damage :D
One of my first drops was a keep away/voltshot role and it's a blast in PVE. Unlimited amplified buff as long as there's red bars to spam. Run it with prismatic warlock and (of course) get away artist for even more synergy.
DSC one (in a like-for-like) or LW one are just so much better, though. Fair enough if you don't have them, I guess. If it was a burst frame, then that'd at least be something to make it different.
@@killafx4726 slower reloads or at least the dsc one feels like it. The lw one I have max reload on it and it needs a reload mod to make voltshot worth. The first roll I got with vs on this one had no reload boosters and it feels faster than the dsc one
Did some testing, you can 3 tap 5 resil and below with enhances precision instrument
That's pretty solid
Was looking for someone to comment this, thanks
With enhanced precision instrument it 3-taps 5 resil and under, with Bakris and precision instrument it 3-taps all resiliences. The true successor of not forgotten.
That tripmine was hilarious 💀💀
Sunshot is literally the hand canon version of gjallahorn convince me otherwise
What do you think the word “literally” means here my brother
The hand cannon can 3 tap up to 70 resil but you need enhanced precision instrument for that.
Run the Lost Signal on that Duskfield Smokebomb build. It's not the most effective, but damn it gets fun having the most annoying area denial.
If you go Full bore, Accurized and Fragile Focus with a range masterwork you can hit 36m range. Ophidian Cloak counteracts low handling and precision instrument makes it feel like a 140. It's insane.
Eyasluna gun model but Vex Mythoclast is its daddy
Posterity happened a long time ago buddy. Same archetype and everything. Even got a perk refresh years ago.
How did he know where that guy was at 18:35?
I understand he could have known that they went mid from the previous engagement, but he clearly aimed for the corner on the left and not higher up for a clearer vantage point to follow up into mid
Wallah ik you’re in love with stompies but try khepris with grapple. Its a cool interaction
I like the bold endings hand cannon with dragonfly and headstone roll for pve. It is awesome! The sightline survey is really fun with volt shot😁
What's the point of headstone when dragonfly doesn't even blow up the crystal? Kinda pointless imo
@@wesleyy846it doesn’t blow up the one it makes but it can blow up previous ones it’s made that’s why people love the role
I just discovered that combo on Bold Endings and it’s is so fun with the stasis artifact this episode
This hand cannon feels so snappy and nice when you fire it.
at around 6:50 you switched to my loadout with some differences. I use HOIL sixth coyote with winters shroud and threaded spectre. Then I go rat king cause the invis works with that class ability fragment. It cooks you may want to try. (also marksman dodge because a kill plus dodge means you go invis, reload, heal, put a spectre, and slow enemies around)
If you look down the barrel, you'll see it's also an Eyasluna model under the vex stuff.
I got spirit of dragon and spirit of worm husk on class item and it’s incredible in PVP. Dodging gives me my melee, drops a clone, reloads my weapon, maxes out handling, and gives me health/shield
And if you used Winter's Shroud it could also Slow.
Wallah can you showcase the timeworn wayfarer its the only lever action type scout rifle with a scope ive been using it in comp and slaying with it
My guy that is very obviously an modified eyasluna model 😂
Hm?
What happened to the 1v1 goldeagle guy. Did he give up?
I believe the people who replied to it gave him the heads up that they weren’t gonna do it, so he probably moved on
180s are honestly underrated. Huge AE and 50% crit forgiveness. With their insane AA, this means that you will *always* hit your four taps, while your opponent on a 140 or 120 needd perfect accuracy while dealing with 180 flinch.
I'm not saying that I'm bringing posterity to my flawless game, I'm still taking Igneous, but don't underrstimate what 50% forgiveness requirement means.
You saying they look alike is like saying a Glock 17 looks like a Luger P08
Dude you have to try desperate measures on it! It slays in 6’s
That first game could have passed as patrol footage lol
Smoke bombs got a substantial buff they now have a DOT kind of like super mini Le monarch
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Where do u go to change the perks on ur gun? I have not played since 1900 was the max power level
Clearly haven’t played since the power level base was under 1350. He did it at The Enclave, place introduced in Witch Queen. Craftable weapon patterns.
how do you even get this handcannon first time?
I kept trying with all my engrams at the vendor, but she never gives it to me ... i have everything else but that weapon
Don't you have to get a random drop before you can get it through focusing of any kind?
@@Welverin i have no luck with random drop....
@@milleniumadam8643 If I'm not misremembering, you can't get it from engrams until you, so you may just be wasting them.
Also, had that happen to me last season, had the patterns for everything else before I got a single hand cannon drop.
When I finally got one I had so many engrams I just focused it until I had the pattern.
Can you try a prismatic build with strand and combination blow with the xiv scout rifle(rapid hit + explosive payload) and any arc smg of your choice and tell me how it feels. i want to know your opinion cause thats my present build for pve and pvp with the arc super and the dodge that returns melee
Would it not 3 tap all resil with E Precision ?
You can 3 tap with 1 stack of precision, you can also 3 tap if you have radiant :D
Mr. Wallah the new ammo system lets you get ammo for Ergo Sum whenever you pick up the ammo from primary kills (you don't get it from crates or respawns). Do with this information as you will
Thank you. Honestly one of your best videos and very much the Wallah I've enjoyed. Nice to have you back bro. Keep Jim'n the Jim's.
What’s the roll on your shotgun
How does one get survey sight line
ive been using threaded specter with the stasis aspect a duskfield nade and a smoke bomb I like its a multi tool of abilities
This is the adopted son 😂
Imma be honest. Word of Crota will forever be the best 180 for pvp swordlogic on that things feels so crispy. But imma give this a try
You NEED to try Veiled threat, feels pretty good and IIRC it has some really desirable perks!
Got one with precision instrument and triple tap. Not bad imo.
180s get so much undeserved flack, they are hands down the best feeling HC’s to me and some of the newer ones are down-right excellent in PVE.
Zaouli's bane:👁👄👁
10:28 „Screw grapple“
2 minutes later: 12:21
Vex Milk on the floor😆
What is the shotgun he is using and what roll?
Grenadier Jake put that trip mine there
Wallah if you want to try getting 3 taps on a 180 then go get a Trust. 1 kill with golden tricorn will let you 3 tap. Then get a melee kill that makes you radiant, which combined with golden tricorn x2 allows you to 2 tap people at any resil. 2 tap Trust is very silly
It’s genuinely really fun to use I’m kind of surprised he was disliking it so much
Bruh, i got tripple tap and volt shot on mine and idk if its a god roll or not 💀
Jake if you are reading this. Your fashion needs some SERIOUS work my brother.
this guy ruined my drip for to make a stompes build bruh
@@Jake_D2oh shit that was fast. Jake on speed dial. 🤣😭
@@JGburneraccount jake came with the receipts lmfao
@@Jake_D2Jake-Amplified
@@Jake_D2male hunter..?🤢
Nothing kills a handcannon like it being a 180 rpm 😢
I hate 180s and for pve atleaat this ones pretty good feeling. Reaches far with good range. Ya know for a 180
180 r the best
@@epicsauce956there’s a couple of solid ones especially PvP kill clip 180s are slept on, just use the full auto mod for it and it feels like a better scout
180s aren't too bad on console
@@Alex-xi4bgall weapons are full auto now, it’s an accessibility setting
it looks like a vex eyasluna more than it does the sunshot ornament imo
Try it with surge mods and the warlock heal helmet for orbs
I'm more surprised that you managed to do so well with Precision Instrument. It honestly does nothing substantial for 180's.
I run Hammer-Forged, Accurized, Enlightened Action, and Kill Clip with a Range MW. Enlightened Action is a double-edged sword; You can either have a fast swap or a fast reload but not both, and only right after a fight. Keep Away feels more consistent, but the low(ish) handling at all times is definitely noticeable.
Also; People forget how massively buffed Precision frame HCs got from the range normalization. They have a lower base range stat, but are much closer to 140's than they were previously.
It 3 taps 5 and below resil so it's pretty worth for that and in general for consistency it can 3 tap any with a stacked dmg buff
Like ofc kc is good but it needs the first kill. And ofc that is the og for 180s but precision still just feels better to me and idky maybe people are gonna be above 5 resil by the next act and PI is gonna feel bad and we'll be going back to kc or PI will still feel good to me regardless
@@ghostridernz17 PI's advantage is challenging DR, overshields, and pushing crit range. Ideally you're using a shotgun or sniper for that. If you have to use a primary you'd want to out-range them, and a 120, scout, or pulse rifle is better for that.
It's by no means a completely useless perk, I personally feel that it's not the best for a 180.
kinda sad with this vid, i was hype for this gun because i love 180s but all he did was say 180s were trash over and over instead of any comparisons to other 180s.
Hope he does a video on timeworn wayfarer that things a beast
Seems like no one talks about scout rifles in general unfortunately. Like ever.
bruh how did you get the drops for this already 😵
I managed to get a 75 range perpetual motion/kill clip better devils, so I know what hand cannon I'm using this season.
Kill clip on a 140 is an L
I got a Lunas howl with encore and precision instrument
I might squelch to this mostly because of the looks
I love the look of this season's weapons.
And this is genuinely one of the best 180s in the game... its just a shame that its a 180. Cracked range for a 180 and precision instrument or KC.
Plus, if you want 3-taps, pairing a non-weapon perk damage bonus with Precision Instrument is probably your best bet, it goes crazy.
Like, with enhanced precision instrument on this thing... you only need a 4.5% damage bonus to 3-tap all resilience levels. That's two surge mods, not even three or four, no, TWO.
That's less than the void Weaken debuff gives in pvp. That's less than half of that of Radiant. Like, Sanguine Alchemy WITHOUT an empowering rift can 3-tap with Precision Instrument on this.
Don't sleep on this gun.
edit: Oh. With Precision Instrument alone, and no damage buff, then this gun 3-taps until T5 resil.
What surge mods should I use?
@@chrisdagoat990 The one matching the 180's element. I believe that is arc?
@@chrisdagoat990bruh
I miss my service revolver man
One of the few weapons I couldn't delete. Thats my baby
Imagine downloading the game first time coming on this video and you see him dump and make a video montage on you
Sorry I didn't understand, Is the smoke bomb Op?
No, it got a minor buff so it actually does DOT instead of just the explosion damage and the weaken.
The Eyasluna for the energy slot we all wanted 😪
4:19 officially coining the term “gramplified”
i think when i used thing, the highest res i got a three tap on was either 6 or 7 res anything higher was not possible unless radiant, fun little gun, 6s weapon for sure
PI is a trials/comp perk and it sucks radiant can only be procced easily on hunter. And also bakris dodge makes it 3 tap too but again it's a 1min timer and it's not consistent enough but man it's so close to being a consistent trials weapon in the 180 department
ah yes, the sonshot
Not forgotten will always be my baby 😤💨
I just can’t with 180s.. stats are so ass and I’m so used to flicking my shots it’s hard for me to adapt to a 180 rpm and consistently hit my headshots
Imo the best 180 we got in years.
i love how the apex discount is tiny at the bottom in fine print lmao. not a good look.
4:00 JUST BUILD VIDEOS AND STUFF??? wallah i just came all over the place 🥂
For my folks looking to get into pcs prices for specs are not great
This thing sounds like an exotic
20 minute video? We are blessed
you can get the 3 tap at 5 resil also bakris goes hard with this gun
I feel like I whiff so many shots using this gun. Like I have ghost bullets. I want to like it, but the inconsistency is frustrating.
Its not a meta 140 or igneous hammer so you're not gonna get gifted crits on a silver platter. Gotta spend more time getting better positioning so you get the first shot off and building into flinch resistance
It's the only weapon i want from the episode (and the trace riffle which you can't get yet) and it's the only weapon i haven't got
Is the cannon even like, half decent for pve?
I saw the base stats and felt very underwhelmed. I like using 180s, but so many are just ass and the sand box hasn't ever been kind to them, since they often get hit by nerfs aimed at igneous and zhoulis.
With voltshot, it procs the radiolaria trait almost every time. It’s actually pretty good.
The sun’s family tree:
Sun shot
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Z-bane( son )
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Lunas (baby bro)
Sightline survey (the cousin)
Igneous hammer (he’s part of the family but no one talks about him)
Real eyes realize this is facts
It's a bit too nerdy to see wallah using it but mask of bakris lets this roll 3-tap any guardian which is fun
Saywienerbruh really out here developing split personality disorder between grapple andy and prismatic uhh (i dont know what to call prismatic)
I though it was 140 too because it looked like a vex eyasluna
im just an avid dfa user still. i just like it with trip tap and timed payload