Problem is what team wants a $44m Defensive Rim protecting centre with the current salary cap constraints (Plus the team would have to put up with him Opting in or renegotiating an extension too). Like maybe I could loosely argue myself to the Pels at most but i cant imagine a trade scenario where all parties walk away happy.
From what I'm understanding Randle is very hard to manage (as in, nobody wants to stand up to him). I'm wondering if that's why they haven't benched him already.
You addressed two major concerns with Minnesota right now (lack of shooting & Randle's bad fit with the team on both ends), but it's incomplete without also pointing out two things: - Mike Conley has regressed big time. Went from 11ppg/6apg to 8ppg/5apg and his shooting went from 45/44/91 to 33/35/90. He's the only "true" point guard on this team and if he plays horribly the entire offense grinds to a halt. - The defense completely collapses without Gobert on the floor, because without him Minnesota plays Naz Reid and Julius Randle as their two big men. They provide no paint protection and their rebounding is terrible. Minnesota needs a legit point guard and a legit big man (preferably a Conley-lite and a Gobert-lite), but trading for their needs is extremely difficult because they're in the second apron. It's gonna be a long season for them.
🧐 The coach and GM are not on the same page. The trade was suppose to be 1 starter for ✌starters. Why is a over the hill Mike Conley who is 37 years old starting? The season is in peril unless they make the move NOW. I can count on one 🖐how many shots Conley shoots in a game.
Youre right, I did forget to mention Conley. He was such a huge difference maker when he initially got traded and it looks like Father Time has finally caught up to him
They should just bench Randle and start Naz at this point Naz is basically the closest to KAT in this team he got good shooting and defense and doesn't need to largely dominate the ball
The main problem with Donte is he is playing a role he is not that good at. He was really effective in NY cause he was great off the ball, which allowed him to be a cutter, and was mainly smart in terms of making the extra pass. In Minnesota he is being forced to be a playmaker and create his own shots.
With the current CBA, their only two choices were to either blow it up this year or next year. But being all-in as they were after the Gobert trade, they had to realize that running it back this year was their best chance for a title. They were contenders NOW - this was a time to worry about winning, not salary. I think Connelly talked himself into believing that he could get a "competitive rebuild" out of this trade. The fit with Randle was always questionable, but with his basically-expiring contract, he saw it as a low risk "if it works, keep him, if it doesn't, oh well" type of move. Hasn't worked out that way. DDV was the piece he wanted to keep. He wanted DiVincenzo in free agency before the 23-24 season, and when Donte went off after Randle and OG went down, he surely thought of him as the one that got away. This made him the perfect mark for the Knicks to sell high on DDV. Prior to last season, he was a slightly-above-average, but not GREAT rotational wing. Regression was inevitable, though I don't think anyone could have expected him to be as bad as he has been (except for maybe Kings fans). Another problem is that Finch has been a scheme mismatch for the roster ever since the Gobert trade. There's a way to construct a good offense with Gobert on your team (the Jazz were consistently able to take advantage of his screen-and-roll ability and hide his lack of other offensive gifts). However, the flow offense just does not work with this roster. It wasn't great even WITH KAT on it, and now that they don't have his shooting and gravity to cover up the lack of creativity and productive ball movement, it's become one of the worst offenses in the league. (Also, Finchy's rotation choices, particularly in the closing minutes of games, have been absolutely abysmal).
NEVER GO ALL IN VIA TRADE in the modern NBA. Develop your young talent until they are ready. Look at OKC. Houston could be one of those success stories as well.
@@juqual78 One reason I hate the new CBA: I don't think teams should be punished for not building by tanking. That's not good for the league. In any case, when you're not a destination free agent city, you need to make big trades to assemble a contender. That's just how it is for Minnesota.
Knicks management convincing Minnesota to swap out Kat, include problem-child Randall in the package, and convincing Minnesota that this trade would be great for their team when Minnesota just had the most successful season in literal decades was some NASTY WORK by Knicks management and Thibodeau! 😂 NYC got away with murder!
Trading KAT because they wanted to bet on Naz Reid is crazy. You have a superstar duo that is now starting to learn how to win in the playoffs and completely break it off because you think Naz Reid will become the next thing (when you already have an all-star bigman). I hope Ant forces their hand to trade Gobert because he is a god-awful offensive player. Now he has Randle who is a shot chucker and doesn't care about winning
Naz was great at the 4 while Karl was out and he’s also younger. No he isn’t Karl but he works really well beside Ant at the 4. If you’ve been watching Naz doesn’t look as good as he did last season but that’s because rotations matter. Also, this trade was not made to win a chip this season. This was to build around Ant while he’s developing into his prime. Karl was taking too much up on the books for the long term moves they wanted to make. That worked perfectly for the Knicks because they are looking to win now. My only issue is why not speak to Karl and Ant together to tell Karl what the ownership is considering. That would give him a chance to maybe take a pay cut or for Ant to take a pay cut. Especially with Karl being there for so many years and not requesting a trade at any point while they were a poverty franchise.
They should trade off Randle not Gobert if anybody would want him. Gobert is a 4 time DPOY in the same realm as Dikembe Mutombo and Ben Wallace whether you like him or not, despite his shortcomings on offense he is way more cohesive to the team structure than Randle is
Edwards is definitely not Jordans successor. Just watch him on defense and every time someone scores, he looks at his team and holds his hands up, basically telling the entire arena that his team sucks. Terrible leadership.
@@redesignedlife777 but KAT went to the western conference for the first time in his career. he made significant progress last year even if they lost. randle never made it past the 2nd round. who knows... maybe the wolves could've gone to finals this year if they ran it back or still had KAT.
@ ya. They probably thinking he was soft during playoffs and decided to sell him high and get a good trade for him. But from it looks like Kat is playing stronger after the trade. He got a chip on his shoulder
@@redesignedlife777 a good trade? Randle, Divincenzo and a first was a pretty terrible trade for KAT. They should have at least held onto him for the start of the season and then if you think he’s not performing up to your standards or you think he’s gonna disappear in the playoffs, trade him at the deadline. They could have gotten so much more value for KAT at the trade deadline if they kept him. He may not have been putting up the same numbers he his with NY but he definitely would have been averaging around 20 and 10 on 45-50% from the field and 40% from 3. Teams looking to make a move at the deadline would have overpaid to get KAT and the Wolves coulda got so much more than Randle, Dante and a first.
KAT was too expensive. Trading Kat wasn't the mistake, the trade the Twolves made was. Randle and DiVincenzo are literally a coin flip on them showing up or not. Twolves suck at passing overall.
the original sin was thinking that Kat wasn't capable of playing the center position. If they wanted to experiment as a power forward they could do it at no cost since they had taken Kessler from the draft. I've been saying it for years: Kat, as we had also seen in the playoffs the year before, was ready to explode and dominate as a tactical center, similar to Jokic. Once Gobert was taken, it was too late, we were stuck with the salary cap and the transfer was inevitable.
Oh, great take I which I could send you some money. Tim Connelly did not give KAT and ANT a chance to form a Jokic, Maury dou it's sad and I can only dream of what that could've been, ANT as an MVP, but the dude brought in Gobert and clogged the pin for ANT.
I mean ideally you don't want KAT exclusively playing the 5. That said I'm sure they could've traded Gobert and found a young Derek Lively type player out there instead
I dont know KAT have at least 50% vision like jokic, but sure he is have more capability to scoring than jokic. he is not playmaker I think, he is pure scoring center. still need pure PG maybe like rubio
Finch played Kat almost exclusively at the 5 early on, and devised a scheme that greatly improved the Wolves defense. It was Kat who hated playing center and asked them to bring in someone so he could go back to the 4.
@nigelee because he's not a real 5. KAT is definitely more Duncan, KG, Dirk, than a Shaq, Olujuwan, Jokic type. He's just not that physical. Do I gotta bring up the Demarcus Cousins KAT meme lol.
The Kat-Ant duo might go down as one of those duos that never got the chance to play in their primes together. Just like Tmac and Vince or even Garnett and Starburry
anthony edwards is averging the same amount of points as last year....actually slightly less on a lower field goal percentage and thats with shooting way more 3's. make it make sense. And he's still a average passer playmaker. He's overrated. He's not that guy. Trading KAT was about long term financial stability. KAT is very good and always been 1 of my favorite players but he is a disaster in the playoffs. Last year he was awful vs dallas and had some spotty moments before that. You cant pay him like he's a top 10 player when he's so inconsistent in the playoffs. it is what it is.
Man you maybe right he seems to be unable to carry an offense by himself, or atleast not consistently, but to be fair he is not confortable with the team, Julius Randle has the ball on his hands waaay to much and he is probably very upset to be this bad after being one of the best teams... Seriously Randle owns the ball waaaaaaaay to much xd
I think the phase “if it’s ain’t broke don’t fix” holds more weight the more I see. They traded the only shooter and other scorer for a player that not consistent at all.
The wolves front office as with many other franchise front offices overlooked chemistry and looked purely from a financial perspective and are definitely suffering for this. They also wanted to get names over players who have actual value in their role
Minnesota may have gifted the Knicks a championship with this trade. KAT on the Knicks has a much easier time because they have Brunson who draws attention, it allows Kat so much spacing, in fact every starter on the Knicks can shoot 20 points on any given night. It makes KAT’s life easy and hence we see such an incredible improvement in his game. He doesn’t have to do as much and so he does so much more.
In another NBA season: [1]. The Minnesota Timberwolves receive De'Andre Hunter, Dyson Daniels, Onyeka Okongwu and David Roddy. [2].The Atlanta Hawks receive Anthony Edwards.
We did not need to trade anybody except maybe Mcdanials for what he provides, inconsistency on both ends for 25m a season, and then they extended Conley for 2 years 21 m all before taking care of Kat. Once again IMPATIENCE has set this franchise back by making stupid trades!!!
Looks bad short term, but Tim Conelly has done nothing but make great decisions in Denver and now Minnesota. He is building this team for the future and this year was never supposed to look pretty. Randle and probably Divincenzo were never part of their long term plan. They are simply pieces that are going to be moved for an eventual big move.
@@brianfitzsimmons6074 Nope, not buying that after a Western Conference Finals appearance because it was not a "fluke" defeating Denver and Phoenix. they gained some needed experience against Dallas. OKC is now the team that is the long-term problem for everybody with their youth.
I said it when they made the trade, this was the dumbest trade I've seen a professional team make. Not just in basketball, in all of professional sports. You get rid of a guy that's shooting over 40% from deep thats also a true 7ft that can rebound and play solid defense as well, for a guy that's 6'9" and oft injured and maybe has 1 or 2 seasons with averaging double digit boards for the season. Also, the guy has never been efficient at any point in his career. He's always been a volume scorer and thats tough to integrate into a new team especially when that team has a ball dominant guard taking the bulk of the shots. If Ant-man was as good as he is the Timberwolves would have sank a long time ago.
KAT hid the how bad the Gobert trade was, now that they traded KAT, the Gobert trade is exposed. One of the worst trades of the last 25 years, and the KAT trade is going down as the second worst. But hey, they still have Naz. 😂
MJ didn't win until he had real help. When he only had Scottie, they couldn't make it out of the ECF. Without John Paxson being such a huge floor spacer and Horace Grant doing what he did, they would have never gotten out of that, despite Jordan learning to play more within the flow of the game (not carrying the load). BJ Armstrong was a huge key for them as well, playing some serious minutes at the backup point and helped push them over the edge once he got into the league. Also what they hell were they thinking when they gave Jaden McDaniels 20-30 mil a year to score 10 ppg and provide a tiny bit of D. Some brain dead moves going on over there in MN in the office.
As a knicks fan, I, honestly, didn't think we won the trade at the time because we lost D in the trade, none of us really cared about Randle but D was a hard hit. Now seeing it, I can't believe we won a trade lol.
Crazy how the Wolves don't even utilize Dante.. He was part of this trade for a reason, helping the Knicks be 1 game away from ECF last year, yet they bring him off bench and have him stand around watching the "face of the league" play hero ball....
Never thought that my Knicks could trade Randle, to any team... He's a very good player when he wants but got Embiid-like attitude and is a blackhole both ends of the court when he wants too... The biggest mistake was trading for Gobert then, when you have the chance to get KAT then Edwards as 1st picks, you just have to give them the max and get an organizer, an 3&D forward, a good rebounder at power forward and a good bench behind that...
The wolves thought they were going to get KAT in a two player deal With Randle being able to score points like him and dontae 3% but KAT is out doing them both
Just from these few highlights it looks like Donte is falling out of his jumper. In NY he was landing and holding for a split second before heading back on defense, this year these highlights show he is basically heading back on defense when he’s still in the air. He’s probably just anxious in his new spot. He will fall in I’m sure, these guys are pros.
Donte is being asked to be a primary ball handler when his biggest strengths are cutting to the basket and catch & shoots. He's way out of the scope of his strengths so it's very unsurprising that he's struggling.
Not a big fan of Kat but seeing him in knicks with that kind of hustle and grit, he is progressing there! I feel so happy for him 😊 Kat in Knicks is just different! A total beast ehh
Edwards's problem is his hype and ego. He doesn't allow the offense to developed lanes and rhythm just taking what defense gives. Jacking up threes is what the defense wants them to do.
Trading Towns wasn't the issue. He blew hot and cold throughout the playoffs, and went missing against Dallas. The Wolves were ready to move on. Trading him for Randle , however, was an awful mistake. Anyone with eyes could tell you Randle is a deeply flawed player, a classic empty calorie scorer who doesn't belong on a serious contender. Surely there must have been a different trade package available from another team, or they should have kept Towns until someone made one, They still had time.
KAT did not disappear against Dallas. he averaged 21 and 10 in that series we all know antman was the first option in minnesota so when games went down the line, the plan was typically to get the ball to Ant. Not KAT. Saying KAT disappears in the playoffs is just major cope from wolves fans. 21 and 10 isn't disappearing. he literally averaged that in the season. On the Knicks, he is finally an actual 1-2 duo with brunson, not the 2nd option, so he is now getting way more opportunities to produce hence his numbers. The wolves are clearly going to miss his presence.
100%! A lot of people are forgetting that KAT was hot and cold during the playoffs. Might as well keep the defensive big man than someone who struggles to defend
Twolves had it going the built it up right and finally got the duo they needed in KAT AND ANT. I don’t know what they were thinking. The spacing is so screwed now.
To be fair to Dante, he went from being a starter which he worked has asf to get to, to getting traded and coming off the bench. That would affect anybody's mentality on the court. The new team doesn't respect you.
If you think that Donte is the reason that Donte isn't doing well, you know nothing about basketball, or you just don't watch Knicks games. The Wolves use him as a PG and demand him to handle the ball. Last year he was coming off screens and spotting up, as he should be. He's a shooting guard, not a PG/playmaker.
It took them a while but they had finally figured it out how to win with Towns and Gobert together! It was a long hard road to get there and then they just abandon it.
Three basketball players stand out as liabilities on offense. 1. McDaniels. 2. Conley. 3. Grobert. You can't start 3 players who all have trouble breaking the 5 point barrier even on good days for rack of them. All play well defensively but you will not win games when three of your starters have a hard time breaking 15 offensive points. Coach Finch missing this important fact and making sure these 3 don't play together ever...is very good start to this team winning. Gobert needs to play high post...never low post...he clogs up the area around the basket...do not let McDaniels shoot his horrible 3 point shots
But now they have the trouble/problem of trying to find someone who will actually want to trade for Randle. They could have gotten way more for KAT at this trade deadline than what Randle is gonna bring in for them, if they’re even able to trade Randle by this deadline. It was a pretty awful trade for the Wolves no matter you slice it.
I mean you can blame the TW for trading away KAT but I don't think anyone expected DDV to take such a huge step back. Did they expect him to be 3rd in shooting? Probably not, but definitely not towards the bottom of the list. He's down like 10% in both FG% and 3%. That's crazy.
I've yet to hear a convincing reason why we HAD to trade KAT this year. Glen Taylor is worth $3 billion and the luxury tax is a drop in the bucket for him. And most of the other 2nd apron penalties aren't even in effect yet. They could have ran it back for one more year with the roster that just went to the WCF and made a run for the finals. Worry about the 2nd apron after that.
IMO, Ant, Kat and Rudy was the key pieces Minesota had this previous season. Take away one of them and the teams synergy feels somewhat different. Again this is just a comment from a Casual follower of the wolves, but man the way they play without Kat feels really different. I think they could've instead just focused on improving their bench instead of this trade.
I actually feel bad for Randle. He had many flaws as a player, and tended to let his emotions get the better of him, but at the end of the day he always tried to represent our city in the right way.
Gobert isn't the problem in terms of his play but moreso what they're paying for him and what they gave up to get him. He just can't be the costar to ANT and from what I understand, they don't have the assets to significantly improve the roster
Gobert fits perfectly with Luka, and Luka only. Dallas should make the move to bring him in, trade Lively, Grims, Hardy, Kleber and Klay + 1st round, they will win the ring this year.
Considering what they gave up to get Frenchy, they should have forked over the money to keep a guy like KAT, or gone after another FA. Cleveland is succeeding in a small market, no reason Minnesota can't.
3:02 an unreal shooting season ??? How ??? The man puts up a dozen bricks a game and has tunnel vision. Randle is a better player to run ur offense thru he goes down hill and has his head up. Brick Edwards is toxic basketball and you can see the team doesnt respect him even if he the golden boy
We're blaming the timberwolves and not adam silver for adding a rule that messed up the roster they've been building since 2020? Average media logic. The wolves didn't make any mistakes. They built a finals contender while everyone said it wouldn't happen. Lamelo won ROTY over ant, everyone said the twin towers wouldn't work, everyone has been calling kat soft and saying he doesn't play defense since 2017, The rudy gobert trade was the worst trade in nba history. Yet they made the conference finals in one of the most comp conferences in nba history. So what's the media do about being wrong when speaking on the timberwolves for the last 5 years? They point and laugh because adam silver added a bogus second apron during the teams peak forcing the timberwolves to make moves they never would have made without the second apron. Kinda funny how the league didn't give a second apron warning several seasons in advance to accommodate the teams that were previously built with legal contracts that fit rules prior to the 2nd apron but you know who i am right i dont upload videos everyday and have thousands of viewers so im just some asshole
Randle’s stats have always been deceptive. He gets his 20 points by being ball dominant with low efficiency. Wolves fans will talk trash about Towns D but he was playing out of position at PF the last 2 years against smaller quicker PFs. Let’s say he’s a bad defender. But at least he tries. Randle doesn’t even try playing defense. He lets guys go by him. And that’s not even including the turnovers. 8 last night! What PF gets 8 turnovers in a game? That’s a position that you catch and shoot, post, or 2-3 dribbles to the rim…
Idk how nobody seems to understand the way SALARY CAP works but bro they genuinely could not afford it between just gobert,mcdaniels,kat and ants new contracts starting up they would have been over the second apron they literally had to do something
The Minnesota timberwolves had issues in the playoffs and not trading gobert is a mistake. And now Minnesota made another KG career in KAT he might win a chip on the knicks
Towns was in a bad form last year, the trade ignited his work ethic and he now got his athleticism back. I mean, it was possible only through the trade. I am glad that it worked out for Karl. Timberwolves could not have gone any further had Towns stayed in that form anyways. The problem is on Anthony Edwards. He thinks he is the next Jordan and got cocky, he doesn't approach the games like he used to. Also now he is getting all the hatred from the fans and referees. It won't work out unless he changes his attitude.
Big Jelly Naz Reid should start over Randle. Randle has always been plagued by his mindset. I'm a lakers fan and I know when he gets down, its hard for him to bounce back. And he is also very ball dominant. But Gobert is an annoying character. good player but he's gotta stop pushing youngins after getting dunked on thinking he's tough.
That was one of the worst cost saving mistakes in NBA history. They should have traded Gobert and added cheaper role players instead of trading KAT.
Brother, without Gobert their whole defense collapses and they're competing for nothing.
They didn’t want to admit they messed up with the Rudy trade
The Knicks will never agree to trade for Gobert. They don't want him.
Problem is what team wants a $44m Defensive Rim protecting centre with the current salary cap constraints (Plus the team would have to put up with him Opting in or renegotiating an extension too).
Like maybe I could loosely argue myself to the Pels at most but i cant imagine a trade scenario where all parties walk away happy.
Trading Gobert ? When he's been the biggest difference maker in this team apart from Edwards offensive growth ?
I think they need to bring Randle off the bench and start Naz Reid because Randle thinks he’s the man but his not.
From what I'm understanding Randle is very hard to manage (as in, nobody wants to stand up to him). I'm wondering if that's why they haven't benched him already.
Not a bad idea
You don't really want Naz out there when Ant's taking all the shots. Naz comes off the bench and is able to get into his own rythym
@@toolegit7668why not? Naz can shoot. It helps to play him with Ant, doesn’t it?
Randle has an ego. He won't be happy coming off the bench, and will pout like a baby
I'm very happy to have Kat for his prime years in New York. I hope the Knicks can pull this together and win a truly special title in this era.
You addressed two major concerns with Minnesota right now (lack of shooting & Randle's bad fit with the team on both ends), but it's incomplete without also pointing out two things:
- Mike Conley has regressed big time. Went from 11ppg/6apg to 8ppg/5apg and his shooting went from 45/44/91 to 33/35/90. He's the only "true" point guard on this team and if he plays horribly the entire offense grinds to a halt.
- The defense completely collapses without Gobert on the floor, because without him Minnesota plays Naz Reid and Julius Randle as their two big men. They provide no paint protection and their rebounding is terrible.
Minnesota needs a legit point guard and a legit big man (preferably a Conley-lite and a Gobert-lite), but trading for their needs is extremely difficult because they're in the second apron. It's gonna be a long season for them.
🧐 The coach and GM are not on the same page. The trade was suppose to be 1 starter for ✌starters. Why is a over the hill Mike Conley who is 37 years old starting? The season is in peril unless they make the move NOW. I can count on one 🖐how many shots Conley shoots in a game.
Youre right, I did forget to mention Conley. He was such a huge difference maker when he initially got traded and it looks like Father Time has finally caught up to him
They already got rob
After last night's performance they are on suicide watch.
Mike Conley deff lost his touch
Knicks really finessed the Wolves 😂
Nets really finessed the Knicks in the bridges trade
@@sting114 have you even been watching bridges this December 😂😂😂😂 0 ball knowledge
@@josephchavez9525 He’s still not worth the amount the Knicks gave up for him
@@MournfulNetsfan68 lmfao bunch of picks that you have no idea what will become... they won't even be top 5
Didn’t finesse them the Timberwolves had to make the trade because of money you can’t pay your top three players 70% of your money.
They should just bench Randle and start Naz at this point Naz is basically the closest to KAT in this team he got good shooting and defense and doesn't need to largely dominate the ball
Randle and naz both trash
@@DailyNihilism silly goose take
@@ilovebuttersomuch watch the games kid
Didn’t timbs fans say that last year about KAT? 😅
@@DailyNihilism Damn, Naz went from 6th man of the year ro #1 opp for Wolves fans 💀
Knicks winning the title while the T-Wolves miss the playoffs would make this trade the most Timberwolves trade that's ever Timberwolves traded.
Winning the title just won't happen
3 point contest anything can happen
Knicks winning title 😂
Knicks ain't gettin outta the first round
The main problem with Donte is he is playing a role he is not that good at. He was really effective in NY cause he was great off the ball, which allowed him to be a cutter, and was mainly smart in terms of making the extra pass. In Minnesota he is being forced to be a playmaker and create his own shots.
Right, that's how he played in golden state when they won a title too. He is not a dribbler and passer. He's a catch and shoot.
Facts💯
With the current CBA, their only two choices were to either blow it up this year or next year. But being all-in as they were after the Gobert trade, they had to realize that running it back this year was their best chance for a title. They were contenders NOW - this was a time to worry about winning, not salary.
I think Connelly talked himself into believing that he could get a "competitive rebuild" out of this trade. The fit with Randle was always questionable, but with his basically-expiring contract, he saw it as a low risk "if it works, keep him, if it doesn't, oh well" type of move. Hasn't worked out that way. DDV was the piece he wanted to keep. He wanted DiVincenzo in free agency before the 23-24 season, and when Donte went off after Randle and OG went down, he surely thought of him as the one that got away. This made him the perfect mark for the Knicks to sell high on DDV. Prior to last season, he was a slightly-above-average, but not GREAT rotational wing. Regression was inevitable, though I don't think anyone could have expected him to be as bad as he has been (except for maybe Kings fans).
Another problem is that Finch has been a scheme mismatch for the roster ever since the Gobert trade. There's a way to construct a good offense with Gobert on your team (the Jazz were consistently able to take advantage of his screen-and-roll ability and hide his lack of other offensive gifts). However, the flow offense just does not work with this roster. It wasn't great even WITH KAT on it, and now that they don't have his shooting and gravity to cover up the lack of creativity and productive ball movement, it's become one of the worst offenses in the league. (Also, Finchy's rotation choices, particularly in the closing minutes of games, have been absolutely abysmal).
NEVER GO ALL IN VIA TRADE in the modern NBA. Develop your young talent until they are ready. Look at OKC. Houston could be one of those success stories as well.
@@juqual78 One reason I hate the new CBA: I don't think teams should be punished for not building by tanking. That's not good for the league.
In any case, when you're not a destination free agent city, you need to make big trades to assemble a contender. That's just how it is for Minnesota.
Damn bro great way to break it down. That was top-tier analysis
Knicks management convincing Minnesota to swap out Kat, include problem-child Randall in the package, and convincing Minnesota that this trade would be great for their team when Minnesota just had the most successful season in literal decades was some NASTY WORK by Knicks management and Thibodeau! 😂 NYC got away with murder!
Trading KAT because they wanted to bet on Naz Reid is crazy. You have a superstar duo that is now starting to learn how to win in the playoffs and completely break it off because you think Naz Reid will become the next thing (when you already have an all-star bigman). I hope Ant forces their hand to trade Gobert because he is a god-awful offensive player. Now he has Randle who is a shot chucker and doesn't care about winning
Best take ever BRAVO!!!!
Naz was great at the 4 while Karl was out and he’s also younger. No he isn’t Karl but he works really well beside Ant at the 4. If you’ve been watching Naz doesn’t look as good as he did last season but that’s because rotations matter. Also, this trade was not made to win a chip this season. This was to build around Ant while he’s developing into his prime. Karl was taking too much up on the books for the long term moves they wanted to make. That worked perfectly for the Knicks because they are looking to win now.
My only issue is why not speak to Karl and Ant together to tell Karl what the ownership is considering. That would give him a chance to maybe take a pay cut or for Ant to take a pay cut. Especially with Karl being there for so many years and not requesting a trade at any point while they were a poverty franchise.
Gobert isn’t the problem hater did u not watch the video?
They should trade off Randle not Gobert if anybody would want him. Gobert is a 4 time DPOY in the same realm as Dikembe Mutombo and Ben Wallace whether you like him or not, despite his shortcomings on offense he is way more cohesive to the team structure than Randle is
Bruh Randle's on court body language has always tripped me out. Glad you mentioned it. Randle has talent, lacks motivation.
Edwards is definitely not Jordans successor.
Just watch him on defense and every time someone scores, he looks at his team and holds his hands up, basically telling the entire arena that his team sucks. Terrible leadership.
I still remember sooo many people saying the Knicks f’d up and that the Wolves won this trade lol. I still can’t believe the Wolves made this trade
Kat performed badly during the 2nd half of the playoffs last year.
@@redesignedlife777 but KAT went to the western conference for the first time in his career. he made significant progress last year even if they lost. randle never made it past the 2nd round.
who knows... maybe the wolves could've gone to finals this year if they ran it back or still had KAT.
@ ya. They probably thinking he was soft during playoffs and decided to sell him high and get a good trade for him. But from it looks like Kat is playing stronger after the trade. He got a chip on his shoulder
@@redesignedlife777 a good trade? Randle, Divincenzo and a first was a pretty terrible trade for KAT. They should have at least held onto him for the start of the season and then if you think he’s not performing up to your standards or you think he’s gonna disappear in the playoffs, trade him at the deadline. They could have gotten so much more value for KAT at the trade deadline if they kept him. He may not have been putting up the same numbers he his with NY but he definitely would have been averaging around 20 and 10 on 45-50% from the field and 40% from 3. Teams looking to make a move at the deadline would have overpaid to get KAT and the Wolves coulda got so much more than Randle, Dante and a first.
Haha yeah I hated the trade, then let the NBA media convince me that it was an okey trade for wolves, but hell no it wanst.. t.t
This is going to happen a lot with the new CBA rules. The new deal pretty much killed the Wolves and Nuggets.
Wrong. They could just let ruby golbert walk for nothing and trade away McDaniel instead of giving him the ridiculous contract.
@@sting114they probably will let gobert go for nothing they want those savings too lol they're very cheap.
They could have kept their dudes but didn’t want to be in the 2nd apron. Cheap owners simple as that
@@ThaChildishOne It's not about being cheap. The 2nd apron restrictions locks your team into that roster. Yo
I think AE can overcome it. He’s a confident and positive player
KAT was too expensive. Trading Kat wasn't the mistake, the trade the Twolves made was. Randle and DiVincenzo are literally a coin flip on them showing up or not. Twolves suck at passing overall.
As a lifetime Knicks fan, thanks to Minnesota
When you had the best year you've had in decades why would you trade away half your team and one of the best seven footers in the league
I really don't understand seeing what success they had the yr before
@davidbell6164 they were the best team in the west for most of the year and made it to the west finals...right?
the original sin was thinking that Kat wasn't capable of playing the center position. If they wanted to experiment as a power forward they could do it at no cost since they had taken Kessler from the draft. I've been saying it for years: Kat, as we had also seen in the playoffs the year before, was ready to explode and dominate as a tactical center, similar to Jokic. Once Gobert was taken, it was too late, we were stuck with the salary cap and the transfer was inevitable.
Oh, great take I which I could send you some money. Tim Connelly did not give KAT and ANT a chance to form a Jokic, Maury dou it's sad and I can only dream of what that could've been, ANT as an MVP, but the dude brought in Gobert and clogged the pin for ANT.
I mean ideally you don't want KAT exclusively playing the 5. That said I'm sure they could've traded Gobert and found a young Derek Lively type player out there instead
I dont know KAT have at least 50% vision like jokic, but sure he is have more capability to scoring than jokic. he is not playmaker I think, he is pure scoring center. still need pure PG maybe like rubio
Finch played Kat almost exclusively at the 5 early on, and devised a scheme that greatly improved the Wolves defense. It was Kat who hated playing center and asked them to bring in someone so he could go back to the 4.
@nigelee because he's not a real 5. KAT is definitely more Duncan, KG, Dirk, than a Shaq, Olujuwan, Jokic type. He's just not that physical. Do I gotta bring up the Demarcus Cousins KAT meme lol.
The Kat-Ant duo might go down as one of those duos that never got the chance to play in their primes together. Just like Tmac and Vince or even Garnett and Starburry
It's like Shaq & pre injury Penny cut short too
anthony edwards is averging the same amount of points as last year....actually slightly less on a lower field goal percentage and thats with shooting way more 3's. make it make sense. And he's still a average passer playmaker. He's overrated. He's not that guy. Trading KAT was about long term financial stability. KAT is very good and always been 1 of my favorite players but he is a disaster in the playoffs. Last year he was awful vs dallas and had some spotty moments before that. You cant pay him like he's a top 10 player when he's so inconsistent in the playoffs. it is what it is.
Ant is nothing but a chucker on a bad team and is AFRAID when the pressure is on. "Next Jordan" lol
Man you maybe right he seems to be unable to carry an offense by himself, or atleast not consistently, but to be fair he is not confortable with the team, Julius Randle has the ball on his hands waaay to much and he is probably very upset to be this bad after being one of the best teams... Seriously Randle owns the ball waaaaaaaay to much xd
I think the phase “if it’s ain’t broke don’t fix” holds more weight the more I see.
They traded the only shooter and other scorer for a player that not consistent at all.
It's always a mistake when you involve Julius Randle. He got a little recognition in NYK, now he thinks he's Mr Bigshot.
The wolves front office as with many other franchise front offices overlooked chemistry and looked purely from a financial perspective and are definitely suffering for this. They also wanted to get names over players who have actual value in their role
Minnesota may have gifted the Knicks a championship with this trade. KAT on the Knicks has a much easier time because they have Brunson who draws attention, it allows Kat so much spacing, in fact every starter on the Knicks can shoot 20 points on any given night. It makes KAT’s life easy and hence we see such an incredible improvement in his game. He doesn’t have to do as much and so he does so much more.
In another NBA season:
[1]. The Minnesota Timberwolves receive De'Andre Hunter, Dyson Daniels, Onyeka Okongwu and David Roddy.
[2].The Atlanta Hawks receive Anthony Edwards.
Trading Kat and keeping Rudy Gobutt is crazy work and one of the dumbest trades in NBA history
We did not need to trade anybody except maybe Mcdanials for what he provides, inconsistency on both ends for 25m a season, and then they extended Conley for 2 years 21 m all before taking care of Kat. Once again IMPATIENCE has set this franchise back by making stupid trades!!!
Looks bad short term, but Tim Conelly has done nothing but make great decisions in Denver and now Minnesota. He is building this team for the future and this year was never supposed to look pretty. Randle and probably Divincenzo were never part of their long term plan. They are simply pieces that are going to be moved for an eventual big move.
@@brianfitzsimmons6074 Nope, not buying that after a Western Conference Finals appearance because it was not a "fluke" defeating Denver and Phoenix. they gained some needed experience against Dallas. OKC is now the team that is the long-term problem for everybody with their youth.
I said it when they made the trade, this was the dumbest trade I've seen a professional team make. Not just in basketball, in all of professional sports. You get rid of a guy that's shooting over 40% from deep thats also a true 7ft that can rebound and play solid defense as well, for a guy that's 6'9" and oft injured and maybe has 1 or 2 seasons with averaging double digit boards for the season. Also, the guy has never been efficient at any point in his career. He's always been a volume scorer and thats tough to integrate into a new team especially when that team has a ball dominant guard taking the bulk of the shots. If Ant-man was as good as he is the Timberwolves would have sank a long time ago.
ant has actually been one of the wolves biggest problems this season lol
KAT hid the how bad the Gobert trade was, now that they traded KAT, the Gobert trade is exposed. One of the worst trades of the last 25 years, and the KAT trade is going down as the second worst. But hey, they still have Naz. 😂
This trade was ridiculous and confusing in the moment. This isn’t an “over-reaction) or a “rushed-take)
They thought Anthony Edward’s was gonna carry the load
MJ didn't win until he had real help. When he only had Scottie, they couldn't make it out of the ECF.
Without John Paxson being such a huge floor spacer and Horace Grant doing what he did, they would have never gotten out of that, despite Jordan learning to play more within the flow of the game (not carrying the load).
BJ Armstrong was a huge key for them as well, playing some serious minutes at the backup point and helped push them over the edge once he got into the league.
Also what they hell were they thinking when they gave Jaden McDaniels 20-30 mil a year to score 10 ppg and provide a tiny bit of D.
Some brain dead moves going on over there in MN in the office.
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last year they MASSIVELY relied on the guile and IQ of Mike Conley, now he is past it
As a knicks fan, I, honestly, didn't think we won the trade at the time because we lost D in the trade, none of us really cared about Randle but D was a hard hit. Now seeing it, I can't believe we won a trade lol.
Crazy how the Wolves don't even utilize Dante.. He was part of this trade for a reason, helping the Knicks be 1 game away from ECF last year, yet they bring him off bench and have him stand around watching the "face of the league" play hero ball....
Never thought that my Knicks could trade Randle, to any team... He's a very good player when he wants but got Embiid-like attitude and is a blackhole both ends of the court when he wants too... The biggest mistake was trading for Gobert then, when you have the chance to get KAT then Edwards as 1st picks, you just have to give them the max and get an organizer, an 3&D forward, a good rebounder at power forward and a good bench behind that...
The wolves thought they were going to get KAT in a two player deal With Randle being able to score points like him and dontae 3% but KAT is out doing them both
As a knick fan, thank you. We've suffered enough. Time to spread the wealth!
I never understood this trade. I remember saying WTF out loud when I saw the news. 🤷🏾♂️
the biggest problem is randle is a paint clogger. when 3 players are siting in the key no sense beating your man might as well jack it up
Donte is bad because he doesnt have the space on the floor because he doesnt start, when he plays they make him playmake which isn’t his strength
Monumental mistake after waiting for 20yrs you give away your second pleyars for Julius.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just from these few highlights it looks like Donte is falling out of his jumper. In NY he was landing and holding for a split second before heading back on defense, this year these highlights show he is basically heading back on defense when he’s still in the air. He’s probably just anxious in his new spot. He will fall in I’m sure, these guys are pros.
I wouldnt mind getting KLove back. He perfectly matches KAT’s presence and a mentor for Naz and Randle
Donte is being asked to be a primary ball handler when his biggest strengths are cutting to the basket and catch & shoots. He's way out of the scope of his strengths so it's very unsurprising that he's struggling.
Not a big fan of Kat but seeing him in knicks with that kind of hustle and grit, he is progressing there! I feel so happy for him 😊 Kat in Knicks is just different! A total beast ehh
Edwards's problem is his hype and ego. He doesn't allow the offense to developed lanes and rhythm just taking what defense gives. Jacking up threes is what the defense wants them to do.
But but but . . . ANT is the new face of the league, right? That's what they've been telling us.
What’s that got to do with the TWolves making bad trade decisions?
KAT was just too expensive for us to keep 😅
Randle makes the team worse. He’s only good on regular season and gets exposed in the play offs.
Trading Towns wasn't the issue. He blew hot and cold throughout the playoffs, and went missing against Dallas. The Wolves were ready to move on. Trading him for Randle , however, was an awful mistake. Anyone with eyes could tell you Randle is a deeply flawed player, a classic empty calorie scorer who doesn't belong on a serious contender. Surely there must have been a different trade package available from another team, or they should have kept Towns until someone made one, They still had time.
EXACTLY. Its not like they couldn’t afford to keep him till this trade deadline
He was coming off of an injury. 1 more year wouldn't have hurt
KAT did not disappear against Dallas. he averaged 21 and 10 in that series we all know antman was the first option in minnesota so when games went down the line, the plan was typically to get the ball to Ant. Not KAT. Saying KAT disappears in the playoffs is just major cope from wolves fans. 21 and 10 isn't disappearing. he literally averaged that in the season. On the Knicks, he is finally an actual 1-2 duo with brunson, not the 2nd option, so he is now getting way more opportunities to produce hence his numbers. The wolves are clearly going to miss his presence.
100%! A lot of people are forgetting that KAT was hot and cold during the playoffs. Might as well keep the defensive big man than someone who struggles to defend
@@ShafOne519struggle to defend? He dominated joker. Wolves would lose without kat vs nuggets
Twolves had it going the built it up right and finally got the duo they needed in KAT AND ANT. I don’t know what they were thinking. The spacing is so screwed now.
Don’t forget the ongoing tension with the owners, not getting along because of the new CBA
To be fair to Dante, he went from being a starter which he worked has asf to get to, to getting traded and coming off the bench. That would affect anybody's mentality on the court. The new team doesn't respect you.
"if you made it this far, consider subscribing or dropping a like -- but most importantly, have a great day" is one of the best sign-offs out there
If you think that Donte is the reason that Donte isn't doing well, you know nothing about basketball, or you just don't watch Knicks games. The Wolves use him as a PG and demand him to handle the ball. Last year he was coming off screens and spotting up, as he should be. He's a shooting guard, not a PG/playmaker.
It took them a while but they had finally figured it out how to win with Towns and Gobert together! It was a long hard road to get there and then they just abandon it.
Three basketball players stand out as liabilities on offense. 1. McDaniels. 2. Conley. 3. Grobert. You can't start 3 players who all have trouble breaking the 5 point barrier even on good days for rack of them. All play well defensively but you will not win games when three of your starters have a hard time breaking 15 offensive points. Coach Finch missing this important fact and making sure these 3 don't play together ever...is very good start to this team winning. Gobert needs to play high post...never low post...he clogs up the area around the basket...do not let McDaniels shoot his horrible 3 point shots
KAT going missing when it mattered was another reason he got traded. They are trying to increase Randles value trade before naz in the starting lineup
But now they have the trouble/problem of trying to find someone who will actually want to trade for Randle. They could have gotten way more for KAT at this trade deadline than what Randle is gonna bring in for them, if they’re even able to trade Randle by this deadline. It was a pretty awful trade for the Wolves no matter you slice it.
@svk_5104 can't disagree with that. Randle is a Temu version of Melo.
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Randle has a very attractive expiring contract
I mean you can blame the TW for trading away KAT but I don't think anyone expected DDV to take such a huge step back. Did they expect him to be 3rd in shooting? Probably not, but definitely not towards the bottom of the list. He's down like 10% in both FG% and 3%. That's crazy.
I've yet to hear a convincing reason why we HAD to trade KAT this year. Glen Taylor is worth $3 billion and the luxury tax is a drop in the bucket for him. And most of the other 2nd apron penalties aren't even in effect yet. They could have ran it back for one more year with the roster that just went to the WCF and made a run for the finals. Worry about the 2nd apron after that.
IMO, Ant, Kat and Rudy was the key pieces Minesota had this previous season. Take away one of them and the teams synergy feels somewhat different. Again this is just a comment from a Casual follower of the wolves, but man the way they play without Kat feels really different. I think they could've instead just focused on improving their bench instead of this trade.
Lmao people saying "should've just traded rudy" don't understand how good he is defensively lol
As a nuggets fan, thank you wolves 🥹🥹🤣
Man, as a Mavs fan, this is hilarious
Donte trying to shoot his way back to the Knicks
I actually feel bad for Randle. He had many flaws as a player, and tended to let his emotions get the better of him, but at the end of the day he always tried to represent our city in the right way.
KAT is soo good, he's averaging 14 boards/g
Dragan Bender can space the floor. I’m not lying.
Yeah when they first broke the news that they was trading Kat instead of Gobert I was like who the fck idea was this?
Gobert isn't the problem in terms of his play but moreso what they're paying for him and what they gave up to get him. He just can't be the costar to ANT and from what I understand, they don't have the assets to significantly improve the roster
Yea imagine trading your 7 footer who could space the floor with JULIUS RANDLE. 🤣
Ants gonna diminish his legacy and waste away if he doesn’t leave the wolves.
All the experts and KAT haters were happy for the Timberwolves when this trade first went down lol
I think the biggest reason why this was a bad trade for MIN is because of how great of a friendship Towns and Edwards had...
Man Ant and Randle have the same ball usage time, that cant be good... Also Ant not even dunking anymore...
Gobert fits perfectly with Luka, and Luka only. Dallas should make the move to bring him in, trade Lively, Grims, Hardy, Kleber and Klay + 1st round, they will win the ring this year.
Everyone knew that was a mistake for DAY 1. I don't know wtf they were smoking.
Don't worry about this. When it matters KAT is horrific.
The "Ant is the new MJ" narratives died down VERY QUICKLY 😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Ant Man is playing with a team offense that's so bad, every team is putting 4 guys in the gaps. MJ played in a league where zone defense was illegal.
@@mycompsci9288 thanks man!
Considering what they gave up to get Frenchy, they should have forked over the money to keep a guy like KAT, or gone after another FA. Cleveland is succeeding in a small market, no reason Minnesota can't.
3:02 an unreal shooting season ??? How ??? The man puts up a dozen bricks a game and has tunnel vision. Randle is a better player to run ur offense thru he goes down hill and has his head up. Brick Edwards is toxic basketball and you can see the team doesnt respect him even if he the golden boy
The wolves knew what they were getting with Randle cmon
It's the Rudy effect he needs to be aggressive get dunks and cause double teams.
That’s equivalent to trading a corvette in for a pinto 😂
4:19 - Say it louder for the people in the back! For years people were saying to trade Kat. You got your wish, now see how stupid it was.
We're blaming the timberwolves and not adam silver for adding a rule that messed up the roster they've been building since 2020? Average media logic. The wolves didn't make any mistakes. They built a finals contender while everyone said it wouldn't happen. Lamelo won ROTY over ant, everyone said the twin towers wouldn't work, everyone has been calling kat soft and saying he doesn't play defense since 2017, The rudy gobert trade was the worst trade in nba history. Yet they made the conference finals in one of the most comp conferences in nba history. So what's the media do about being wrong when speaking on the timberwolves for the last 5 years? They point and laugh because adam silver added a bogus second apron during the teams peak forcing the timberwolves to make moves they never would have made without the second apron. Kinda funny how the league didn't give a second apron warning several seasons in advance to accommodate the teams that were previously built with legal contracts that fit rules prior to the 2nd apron but you know who i am right i dont upload videos everyday and have thousands of viewers so im just some asshole
They really believe ant was baby jordan and thought he could solo the west. He couldn’t even keep up with kyrie whos second to luka on the team
That was not a bad trade by the wolves, its just the coaching. Maybe they’ll figure it out.
5:07 I need one of you hoopers to explain what goes through Julius Randles mind when he does this shit 5 times a game😂 It can’t just be lack of effort
They did Kat dirty with that trade. Serves them right. They were so close last year, dumb move.
Thanks Minnesota
It’s not so much that they traded KAT but that they traded for Randle.
RANDLE STRAIGHT UP SUCKS if we're being real
Randle’s stats have always been deceptive. He gets his 20 points by being ball dominant with low efficiency. Wolves fans will talk trash about Towns D but he was playing out of position at PF the last 2 years against smaller quicker PFs. Let’s say he’s a bad defender. But at least he tries. Randle doesn’t even try playing defense. He lets guys go by him. And that’s not even including the turnovers. 8 last night! What PF gets 8 turnovers in a game? That’s a position that you catch and shoot, post, or 2-3 dribbles to the rim…
Idk how nobody seems to understand the way SALARY CAP works but bro they genuinely could not afford it between just gobert,mcdaniels,kat and ants new contracts starting up they would have been over the second apron they literally had to do something
If it was such a bad trade then what are the KAT homers excuses for the years prior to last year with KAT?
The Minnesota timberwolves had issues in the playoffs and not trading gobert is a mistake. And now Minnesota made another KG career in KAT he might win a chip on the knicks
Towns was in a bad form last year, the trade ignited his work ethic and he now got his athleticism back. I mean, it was possible only through the trade. I am glad that it worked out for Karl. Timberwolves could not have gone any further had Towns stayed in that form anyways. The problem is on Anthony Edwards. He thinks he is the next Jordan and got cocky, he doesn't approach the games like he used to. Also now he is getting all the hatred from the fans and referees. It won't work out unless he changes his attitude.
Big Jelly Naz Reid should start over Randle.
Randle has always been plagued by his mindset. I'm a lakers fan and I know when he gets down, its hard for him to bounce back. And he is also very ball dominant.
But Gobert is an annoying character. good player but he's gotta stop pushing youngins after getting dunked on thinking he's tough.