Hi everyone! Couple things: I know I haven’t been posting as much recently and I apologize for that. I have been going through a tough time personally and sometimes I just can’t pull myself together to cover these cases when I’m going through a difficult time. Right now I’m giving myself time for grieving losses and trying to take care of myself mentally so I can come back full schedule in July. Also- I’m seeing a few comments about audio issues- if you are experiencing too high or too low of volume can you tell me what you are experiencing and also what you are listening on? This would be helpful. Thanks and I apologize for any audio issues. Thank you for your support always 💕💕💕
so mark killing her best friend wasn’t enough for her to tell the truth but him picking another woman over her is what did. Wow that’s absolutely devastating.
What tripped me out is how he sounded so distraught on the call, probably stopped the act when he hung up on the operator, and then put the act back on. I'm imagining him just having a straight face in between calls as he makes sure everyone is dead, scary
Do you think he might of actually panicked in the moment? Like "Oh shoot, I actually did this"? The emotion felt so real...he's an unfortunately good actor
Listening to the 911 call was interesting for me. My brain was convinced by his acting. However now I’m reflecting on it... knowing my tender-hearted self, I think I would have started balling if I had sensed real emotional anguish in his voice.
One of the things that really disturbs me is that Donnah probably heard her husband talking on the phone, faking distress, when she knew exactly what happened, and not being able to do or say anything...it must have been a terrible thing to think about in her last moments
So basically Deanne knew everything since the beginning? There was not guilt, she just came out with the truth because Mark did not chose her. She should have been held accountable too.
@@mackenxie9903 she was never a suspect she never lied to the police. Was she even interviewed? And technically she didn’t withhold anything because she came out later and said it. Just not in a timely manner
Detective Cox has humility for admitting he made a mistake, good on him, not many people would be able to face their mistake, especially a mistake like this.
Yes. It seems like he had a case of arrested development and very misunderstood and didn't realize he was being set up. I hope his family gets a settlement or compensation.
Not to say he deserved what happened, but didn't it say that he was well known to commit acts of domestic violence? Which is one reason it was so easy to set him up in the first place?
There’s something i can’t stop thinking about this case: What if Mark had decided to stay with DeAnn? Would she have confessed? Or would she still be quiet to this day?
Deanne saying "She didn't need to die. She didn't deserve to die" YEAH NO SHIT! YOU WERE THE ONE WHO COULD HAVE STOPPED IT AND SAVED HER LIFE! She only went to the cops when she was the rejected woman and Mark picked Rebecca. What a POS. If she is expecting us to feel bad for her, news flash! We DON'T!
DeAnne didn't wanna hurt Donna?? As she has an affair with her husband, AND keeps his murder plot a secret for YEARS!! Girl....Don't NOBODY feel bad for you!!
Because they prolly thought since he was obsessed with Donna he wanted to get rid of Mark but it went wrong . His target was the husband or maybe since he didn't take a weapon with him . He wanted to see her and then that went wrong. But still things don't really add up. Glad it was solved !!
Exactly, it's weird to defend her and say she felt guilt She only went to the police because she was jealous She's such a horrible person and I don't understand how no charges were pressed against her
Some people can some pretty fucked up things and have guilt as time goes on. Others may sleep like a baby from day one and never think much of it. Whether you feel bad for her or not, it's good that she finally said something for the other people involved.
He’d probably kill her too. She was also in love with him, he used her feelings to manipulate her…. She definitely made some shitty choices, but I do feel bad for her. In the end, she did the right thing, and it wasn’t too late.
Yepp , who knows about this story because it's so convoluted ----but Kendall is saying Deanne had an affair with her best friends husband , said nothing after she thought he murdered her---but then got upset because he chose another woman to be with
I see similarities between Mark Winger and other wife murderers like Chris Watts and Scott Peterson. Seemingly decent husband and fathers who have a dark side. Scares me.
There’s usually red flags but yes, they walk among us!! 😱 insane to me how easy it is to portray the “all American couple” story that these people are able to do
Makes me want someone who isn’t perfect at all and shows their real emotions. I think the scariest people are those who seem *perfect* and don’t always show their true emotions but act charming no matter what. I know from experience, my ex husband attempted murder on me twice and everyone thought he was the most charming person .. he continues to do this to women to this day. I’ve told the system numerous times he will end up killing a woman in his lifetime. He was incarcerated but not actually murdering someone they don’t give that much time (2 years!!). He is able to manipulate even the system into thinking he’s better. Then he gets out and does it again. And his mother is his biggest enabler, sweet talking women even more for him and then threatening the woman after an attack for him. And claims to be the most devoted Christian. And of course he never tells anyone about his past. It’s honest to God sickening.
The scariest person in this is DeAnn. Having an affair with your best friend's husband and continuing the affair after she knew he had killed her and then only telling the truth after he picked Rebecca over her. The ""guilt" didn't get to her. Jealousy did. The fact she didn't get charged with anything is such a miscarriage of justice.
She might be immoral and utter trash but she did not break any laws apart from withholding information, and that she got away with as a part of the deal because she voluntarily came forward herself.
@@lusomarga she did break laws actually. She was complicit. She knew that she would be murdered and knew the plan. After her murder she went along with it. She should’ve been charged. She 100% broke several laws.
Mark: “be a part of the murder plot with me” Deanne: “you’re crazy” Deanne: *continues affair with Mark after her best friend’s murder and only comes clean out of jealousy and spite* Donnah deserved much, much better.
THIS! What a disgusting human being, she truly is just as vile as he is. I wish they had given her some time for being complicit, she even knew about it before it happened. Sick.
He got 25 K plus 100 K on life insurance. Divorce 6 years into the marriage would mean alimony payments for a baby he signed up for. Forget about it my ass.
I’m so confused why her “best friend” DeAnn didn’t get charged with anything? She didn’t kill her but she definitely withheld info so she is an accomplice in a way.
I feel like the “best friend “ is horrible too! It doesn’t seem to me that she felt guilty about what happened to Donnah she was betrayed by mark and wanted revenge that’s why I think she came forward with everything. Just my opinion plz don’t hate on me for having an opinion ✌🏻
That was my thought too. I don’t think Donna’s “friend” ever truly cared about her. Like, she really “exchanged” rings with her dead “friends” husband right after her brutal murder. I think she was just mad at Mark for ditching her for the nanny and wanted to get back at him.
ya she should have definitely came forwds when this first happened so those kids didn't have to grow up without a father..it was also weird that he had a note in his car with a time on it..
I don’t respect deann because she only started to feel “guilty” when she was left behind for another woman. She IS just a woman scorned and full of it. She was fine with being implicated in the crime until she felt rejected. She’s a horrible person and should have been charged also.
It's so said that everybody is talking about Donna but not about Roger. Poor Roger he was killed, just because he wanted to apologise. And he just fell into Mark's trap. Poor Roger and Donna. RIP to both of them.
My theory? Mark and Dianne continued their affair well after he married Rebecca. As time passed, realizing he had no intention of leaving his wife and family, Dianne decided to rat him out. Also, Dianne was complicit in Donna's death--helped or at least consented to her murder. If Dianne wasn't a woman scorned, poor Donna would have never gotten justice.
I’ve noticed that a few times, it’s a salty side chick who goes to police with key information, their morality kick in after the liaison ends, how convenient 😊
His babysitter was pregnant 5 months after his wife's death.... He was probs still screwing her on the side while charming the babysitter..... He moved on hella fast! Not from his wife from his mistress and thats why she came out n told the truth... She shud be charged with being an accessory
Does Donnah’s ‘’’best friend’’ expect us to feel bad for her? Like she literally confessed her involvement when she realized that mark dropped her sorry ass to f*ck the baby sitter. Just my opinion but to me it seemed like she kept her mouth shut in hopes of Mark marrying her instead of the baby sitter
Kudos to Detective Cox for never giving up on that gut feeling of his AND for admitting his mistake and doing his best to help. Detectives are still human, and mistakes happen. It takes someone with integrity to admit they were wrong, especially in a situation like this.
It was Doug Williamson who was suspicious from the very beginning and Cox wasn’t on his partner’s side until after Winger kept making unnecessary visits to the station
Wow what a horrible friend. I mean wow, for one sleeping with your bestfriends husband and wanting to take her place. Him also talking about killing her and having her be in it. Then not say shit to police for years?? Until she had a falling out with him?? That’s not a friend. She should’ve been charged. Disgusting
Beating someone to death with a hammer is .... absolutely horrific. Especially someone you are claiming to love. I just cannot believe the second wife saw no red flags at all in their marriage.
Unless she cracked it all up to ptsd or as normal stressors/reactions in a marriage. She was very young, much younger than him and this was likely her first serious relationship. She was also pregnant/freshly post-partum for 98% of their relationship/marriage which likely incentivized rose tinted glasses and or allowed things to be chalked up hormones. Millions of people wind up in relationships with abusive people without realizing it, it can be hard to know until it’s too late.
He’s a complete sociopathic malignant narcissist, with no remorse, regret or guilt. I have no doubts that he is a great actor and manipulator, can’t blame a women looking after 4 kids to not see any tiny red flags.
Those videos of Donna with her daughter are absolutely heartbreaking, She was so excited to finally be a mother and I'm sure she would've been an amazing mom. She deserved to live a happy full life with her baby. Such a sad story.
I feel the most for roger and his family because his mental health struggles and eccentric personality was used against him and he was seen as the perpetrator for so many years before the truth came out
I also feel for Detective Doug Williamson because he was the only person to be suspicious of Mark from the beginning and that his supervisor and the rest of the department kept turning him down including his partner Charles Cox. However Mark’s constant visits to the police station, was what ultimately got Cox back on his partner’s side. But as soon they both took their concerns to their supervisor, they were both turned down saying that they needed something more concrete to make it official.
Donnah's family is literally the sweetest, and so was Donnah. No one deserved this. This was so heartbreaking. Thank you Kendall, for sharing this story.
Hooking up with the nanny that fast it’s so weird and how she got pregnant very fast is strange to. It’s almost like he resented his Deceased wife because she couldn’t give him biological children.
43:40 I cannot help but think if Roger and his roommate weren’t living in a trailer park, their stories would have been believed at the time of the murders. Donnah’s story is so tragic and she was obviously let down in so many terrible ways. But Roger was also let down in the fact that police didn’t want to believe anybody in his life due to their social status.
They should've known when he had a note with Mark winger named and number and cigarettes and another item was found with him, a killer wouldn't bring those items nor want to have anything attaching them to coming to the crime scene. That evidence right there should've made them look deeper and look to see if Mark lured him there cause Donnah would definitely not want someone that scared her so much in their home nor would she open the door for him.
@@violetsrayreikishop2I always found that odd because why wouldn’t he have Donna’s name and phone number? You would think he would have his target’s name and phone number, rather than her husband’s info. At least, that was odd to me.
After knowing what he did...still continued their relationship...exchanged rings too! Its like she didnt mind being second best to her husb and him...she couldnt handle being fully rejected
Kae Rae has the best speaking voice. Her words are thick, clear, and harmonious to the mind. It oddly allows my brain to process the information and story lines with ease. With comprehension comes memorization. Thanx chick!
yes!! finally someone agrees, i usually watch crime videos and the narrator usually has a robotic and uninteresting voice and i find it hard to process the stuff they're saying and with Kendall i can easily process everything she's saying.
In the 20/20 episode about this case, they state that the young cop at the scene who had suspicions about Mark's story (the one whose picture Kendall shows) was the one who took those Polaroids that ended up convicting Mark years later. The cop just knew this all didn't seem right but didn't have the clout to push it anywhere at the time.
So glad you added this. I wondered why no one knew about them & who took them. When EMS has to be on scene stat like that it can change evidence. But i don't know why they couldn't testify as to why they wouldn't have moved a gunshot victim 180°
the way DeAnn said she feels guilty and that she loved Donna all while she was sleeping with Mark behind Donna's back and knew Mark wanted to kill Donna and kept it a secret for years. the audacity to victimize herself in this situation
I feel bad for Donnah and Roger. They didn't deserve that. It horrifies me to think about how many criminals are walking freely. DeAnn only came forward because she felt betrayed by Mark. If it was guilt then she would have exposed him before but she only told the truth to police when she saw Mark and Rebecca together on hospital. He could have just divorced Donnah instead of killing her. Reminder to these horrible mf that divorce exist.
@@bjjjb3056 right! I was thinking the same. If it went the way they planned, DeAnn wouldn’t have come forward about it, but if they did stay together after her death people would question that Donna best friend is with her husband.
I love how it seemed like Rodger’s family wasn’t holding any grudges with how the investigation went; although his name was dragged through filth initially, they were just as happy to see Donnah receive true justice
this actually hurts my heart. i’ve watched many true crime videos but hearing how much she wanted kids and seeing how loving and wonderful and happy that she was able to fulfill that dream but then being killed 3 months after is soo gut wrenching. it hurts me to hear she wasn’t given more time to see her child grow
Instead she was exchanging rings with him AFTER he killed Donnah. The only reason she came forward is because he ended up choosing Rebecca. DeAnn deserves the same place he does
Rebecca says he was the perfect husband and father, never noticed any red flags. Well Mark and Donna were together for 6 years with the seemingly perfect marriage so honestly I feel like given enough time Rebecca would’ve been next.
Not necessarily. I guess not until something went wrong in this 'perfect life'. Being a narcissist, i believe he wanted a perfect family and Donnah not being able to conceive his kids was in the way. There is always a question why narcissists don't ask for divorce but opt for murder. I think it has a lot to do with 'loosing face' and feeling humiliated while going through divorce, which they hate the most. In this case he disposed of his wife AND got to play the victim AND found a 'better wife'.
Omg when she first picked up the baby and saw it for the first time I teared up you could really tell she wanted to be a mother, true love at first sight 🥺
@@acewingate6993 mark asked Roger to come over, I guess because of what happened when Roger drove Donna home from the airport and Roger was excited to go over to their house so he could clear things up
Yeah frrr like in all these cases ifs so fckn annoying. But i think possibly it's a hero complex thing ? Cus imagine divorcing your wife who you just adopted a newborn with to be with her best friend who you had been having a secret affair with; not a good look. You would be seen more like a villain. So idk maybe it is that. Doesn't make it right in fact i think it makes it worse honestly. Gross
Because narcissists care about an opinion about them more than about another human being. And in their minds they think they will get away with murder.
KENDALL! Funny story : I was sitting in my living room and heard your voice on my moms phone. I look over and see that she watches your videos through Facebook! Found out my moms been a viewer for about a year now! We then went on to talk about cases you've covered for a few hours haha I love it!
My mom and I watch her too! My mom told me a few years ago about her, so when I caught myself watching more true crime cases, I gave Kendall a shot and no regrets!
girl my mom does the same thing, sometimes it just starts in the middle of a story and she’ll just watch it having absolutely no context just because she loves kendall that much
I found out my mom watches her the same way, no joke. And my mom watches through Facebook too. I heard kendalls voice when I was napping on the couch and woke up coz I thought I left my phone on and it was my mom watching her videos on Facebook.
If my mom used social media I know she would love Kendall. She watches ID and other crime shows all the time. A lot of the cases that I tell her about she already knows lol
Mark said, “why would I kill my wife and not just get a divorce if I didn’t love her anymore.” Well I think he killed her for insurance money and so he wouldn’t be painted a villain if he left her when they were about to adopt a newborn. I also think the best friend who blew the case open had more to do with it than she says.
Ah yes 🙌 money 💰!!! Thank you my question is answered as to Divorce is not seen as the “cheaper” option. Who said money can’t buy you love!!! But it certainly buys death 💀!!
Cases like this just really scare me because you never 100% truly know a person. I can't imagine what Donna was thinking when the love of her life just starts hitting her with a hammer. So sorry for her mostly.
He could’ve also easily explained away any of his own fingerprints since Mark owned the hammer. Although I completely agree they still should have tested it to see if Roger’s fingerprints were on it because if not that would’ve blown Mark’s entire story up.
I’m sorry it’s the “no forced entry, Pictures of the body that were in the file for years that apparently nobody saw, and the asking for the literal gun back” negligence from the cops for me. 🤣 like that shit is 101 Crime Scene shit!
@@Matt_fxx the hammer would’ve had mark’s prints on it regardless of if he did it or not since it’s his hammer. if they tested for fingerprints they would be looking for roger’s, mark literally just got lucky.
It wasn’t weird to the police that Mark was able to get his gun in time to catch the guy in the act when he had come off the treadmill PLUS the intruder had not brought a murder weapon? Plus the intruder had zero blood splatter? Plus Mark kept asking if they were investigating him? Incompetence!
That's exactly what I kept thinking! Did he run to grab the gun once he saw the baby alone on the bed? Or did he run and get it after he saw the man hitting her? I'm shocked if they didn't ask about this.
Yeah I was wondering when he got the gun as well. Seems like he just happened to have it in hand. It wasn't hidden or locked away that he had to go retrieve? Really weird!
Poor roger people were so quick to demonise him and use his mental health issues against him - sounded like he was struggling but he even felt bad about it and went to apologise... I hate that he was stigmatised and even in his waking life it seems like people were judgemental towards him. I have my own mental health issues so I can really empathise that part just really got to me. RIP Roger and Donnah. No sympathy for Deanne even in the interview she tried to make herself the victim.
I love how Kendall often doesn't give away the ending. She takes you through what everyone knew at the time as though it's fact, even if she knows that changes later in the story. It really takes you on a journey.
Deanne is such a bad person and I don’t even think she felt bad about betraying her best friend by sleeping with her husband. I feel like she’s just jealous of Rebecca and is upset that Mark chose Rebecca over her. She should’ve gotten jail time as well.
The best friend only told cause she’s was jealous and didn’t get the life she wanted. I don’t think she felt guilty. I think she she felt heartbroken and that’s why she kept trying to take her own life.
I cant even describe how devastated I feel watching Donnah's smile in the videos and pictures.. Im sure she had such a warm soul and she deserved to live and to be the wonderful person and mother she clearly was meant to be.
Imagine having an affair with your best friends husband KNOWING he is going to kill her and claiming you “felt guilt” YEARS later when he didn’t choose you. OKAY DEANNE OKAY. I hope she feels guilty because she should feel awful
Deanne should’ve been jailed too. At that point she was basically an accomplice. Not to mention withholding information. It’s not like she was afraid of him and that’s why she didn’t come forward with what she knew. Disgusting that she only came forward because she was jealous
She testified agains Mark. Thats why she wasn’t prosecuted for withholding an information. Also she wasn’t interviewed during the initial investigation. So technically she didn’t withhold anything.
@@exitscreaming how do you know she wasn’t raped? You’re shaming someone for going thru and having a baby. Teenage girls are literally giving birth in their bathrooms and throwing their babies away because of people like you.
To be honest, I’m surprised Mark didn’t just stay with Deanne purely for the fact she knew what happened and could blow his cover any time. They’re both as bad as each other, poor Donna was murdered for her best friend and they didn’t even end up together. Deanne should have gone to the police as soon as Mark made the comments, disgusting how blinded love can make some people.
true! But also I wonder if her knowing what happened is why he didn't stay with her. It kinda seems he didn't want anyone or anything around him that reminded him of Donna or what he did. Even going so far as pushing her mother out the picture and getting so upset about the necklace in Donna's likeness. I could see him feeling the same about Deanne. I think it was less of a guilty conscience thing and more of him wanting to immerge himself in a "reality" in which he wasn't a killer. He seems in denial even to this day about who he really is.
Deanne is as guilty as Mark!! She would NEVER have spilled the beans if Mark had chosen her over Rebecca. I have absolutely no sympathy for the ‘guilt’ she says she feels.
Same with missing persons cases too. There was this case in CA in which a mail gram was used to cover up the murder of a 16-year-old boy who vanished in 1984. The boy’s mother (who reported him missing) showed the officers that mail gram but the department closed it off as a runaway. That case would later make headlines 14 years later after a couple (making upgrades to their home’s heating ducts) found a skeleton buried in the crawl space. It turns out that the victim was the missing kid who’s lifeless body was rotting under everyone’s noses.
@@INDLIS that is so sad. What was his name? I read an amazing article by an ex NYC homicide detective that described how many suicides aren’t properly investigated and are actually murders. The cops especially don’t bother investigating old people or depressed people/addicts etc
I am happy Roger's parents lived long enough to see their son's name cleared. I saw another piece on this case and I could see the gratitude in his mother's face. I feel though, that they should've received compensation.
They didn’t wonder why Roger’s note had Mark’s name and not Donnah’s? That was weird to me. Really crazy that he was able to keep the act up for so many years, and no one suspected a thing. Chilling. They’re among us, walking around like they’re normal. Fooling all of us.
Yeah it just seemed like a reminder of an invitation. Like he was saying,"Mark Winger gave me his address, and asked me to be there at this time. Don't forget"
I think it could have seem at the time that he was jealous and would do something to Mark, not Donna? That seems plausible, giving the stalking history they claimed
and the roommate heard him get a call and write down a man's name. and their neighbor heard the gunshots FIVE minutes apart. and the polaroids that nobody noticed. they just ignored all of the contradicting evidence.
@@dream-nz9yb exactly!!! Almost like they really didn’t WANT to investigate because his story literally made perfect sense. Thats literally still NO excuse at all. But yeah
Don’t know why DeAnne was so supported in this video. I hope no one has a best friend like her ever. Sleeps with your husband who plots your murder and then exchanges forever rings with him after he kills you. She should be doing some time for sure.
“I feel free.” Well you shouldn’t. Your “best friend's” blood is on your hands. Deanna and Rebecca are both crazy. Mark is the ring leader. RIP Donnah . You did not deserve this.
Rebecca is not crazy. She had no idea about Mark's past or the case before he started getting looked at again. I can imagine the shock and confusion that your husband will be in prison and your kids won't have a father. It's a lot to take in you know? And she's come to terms with it over the years and hates him. What more can you ask of her? She didn't do anything wrong.
The fact that he was having an affair with his wife's friend is just awful. I just wish she had come forward earlier. He thought he had gotten away with murder. So many people hurt by his actions. I'm glad he's been caught.
She could not have come forward earlier, she was busy exchanging rings AFTER he killed her. And she knew he killed her all this time, Heck she knew he would. She deserves to be behind bars as well.
Honestly I'm surprised he didn't try to get rid of Deann after he decided to go with the nanny instead of her. He was trying to get away with the perfect murder, and he just trusted that the woman he scorned was going to keep her mouth shut about it? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he didn't kill anyone else, but that's pretty dumb to keep that loose end out there. He tried to have her killed AFTER he went to jail. lol.
I think grandparental rights are so important and could have really come in handy in this case. They truly and deeply cared about that little girl. They already traumatically lost their daughter. Why let them suffer through that loss as well. 💔
The part for me that made him seem incredibly suspicious is how on the 911 call he mentioned shooting a man before he mentioned his wife. Obviously, everyone reacts differently, and you never know how you’d react to a situation like that but I’m pretty sure most people would lead with the info on their loved on, not a random intruder, especially as the crime scene was so gruesome. He was playing the ‘hero’ from the very beginning.
she’s very religious but slept with him within 5 months of his wife dying and got pregnant but didn’t wanna get married 🤣 not finished yet but I think I know what happened!
Seriously I was thinking the same thing, too religious to get married that quickly, but not too religious to have sex with him within a month of knowing him, or even to be living in his house before marriage. I am not finished yet either but I agree that something doesn't sit right, and it almost makes me think they knew each other before his wife died.
I love how when you tell confusing stories with a lot of people involved its SO easy to follow by the way you explain things. Some other channels can get so confusing with their story telling, you do it so well!
May Donna Rest in peace . That excuse of a bestfriend 🙄 didn’t have Donna best interest at heart. If Mark had ended up staying with her she would of taken that secret to her grave. She was jealous and bitter and wanted revenge.
I have volunteered with my Church at Women’s in distress. I have always admired this organization, so to find out that it was created in honor of Donna it makes me admire it even more. Thank you for always sharing these stories Kendall. The way you describe it make us feel like we know these people.
It's odd that more isn't said about the fact that it's been reported on "Wikipedia" for some yrs he's the first-cousin of actress Debra Winger. It must be true.
But "it" did suddenly lose the one person "it" had bonded with and loved, trusted more than anyone. "It" didn't know wtf was going on, yes.. didn't know why this person suddenly wasn't there anymore. Probably cried for her, longed for her yet still kept smiling & yes stayed strong.👍
i feel really bad for roger, he might’ve been a bit crazy but the media turned it into something bigger. He just got sucked up into all of this. Imagine being his sibling/family. Seeing the media sketch this image, i really feel bad for him
ANY time someone calling 911 hangs up immediately after telling what is the problem, that is a HUGE red flag. Anyone who really comes across something like this, and especially when people have died, AND you are all alone in the scene, you do NOT want to be all alone there...you hang on the phone knowing it is a lifeline for help. IF you REALLY want help.
Hi everyone! Couple things: I know I haven’t been posting as much recently and I apologize for that. I have been going through a tough time personally and sometimes I just can’t pull myself together to cover these cases when I’m going through a difficult time. Right now I’m giving myself time for grieving losses and trying to take care of myself mentally so I can come back full schedule in July. Also- I’m seeing a few comments about audio issues- if you are experiencing too high or too low of volume can you tell me what you are experiencing and also what you are listening on? This would be helpful. Thanks and I apologize for any audio issues. Thank you for your support always 💕💕💕
love you so much beautiful take all the time you need
feel better soon 💕.
we love you kendall stay strong
thank you for all you do
Never apologise for taking care of yourself lovely. We'll all be here still xxx
so mark killing her best friend wasn’t enough for her to tell the truth but him picking another woman over her is what did. Wow that’s absolutely devastating.
I couldnt imagine doing that to a best friend. I cant comprehend the cruelty that would take. She deserves to live with guilt
@@nattybees1962 LITERALLY!! that is so sad. i could never do my best friends like that.
EXACTLY
Agreed. ❗️
THAT PART!!!
I feel so bad for Donna, she was surrounded by horrible people except for her actual family. She didn't deserve any of it
Exactly.. she was betrayed by her best friend and husband. Heartbreaking
My thoughts exactly. These fckn selfish people …
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Donna's mom seems like such a loving person. She was rooting for Mark after everything.
Dear her husband switch faith but donbt em
What tripped me out is how he sounded so distraught on the call, probably stopped the act when he hung up on the operator, and then put the act back on. I'm imagining him just having a straight face in between calls as he makes sure everyone is dead, scary
Do you think he might of actually panicked in the moment? Like "Oh shoot, I actually did this"? The emotion felt so real...he's an unfortunately good actor
Listening to the 911 call was interesting for me. My brain was convinced by his acting. However now I’m reflecting on it... knowing my tender-hearted self, I think I would have started balling if I had sensed real emotional anguish in his voice.
Nah, he totally was acting. He had a story for everything and didn’t miss a beat on his story. He planned it before he even called.
such an actor, really scary indeed
He didn't sound distraught at all. He sounded like he was breathing fast trying to sound distraught like other fakers who've been caught.
One of the things that really disturbs me is that Donnah probably heard her husband talking on the phone, faking distress, when she knew exactly what happened, and not being able to do or say anything...it must have been a terrible thing to think about in her last moments
OMG yes. Your comment gave me chills. This's terrible.
That and knowing your child would be in his care
So basically Deanne knew everything since the beginning? There was not guilt, she just came out with the truth because Mark did not chose her. She should have been held accountable too.
Sadly you can’t arrest someone for revenge, she will just be remembered as a bad person
I agreee 💯
@@tria2010 you can arrest someone for withholding evidence though
Facts!
@@mackenxie9903 she was never a suspect she never lied to the police. Was she even interviewed? And technically she didn’t withhold anything because she came out later and said it. Just not in a timely manner
Detective Cox has humility for admitting he made a mistake, good on him, not many people would be able to face their mistake, especially a mistake like this.
Agreed ! So rare
Absolutely agree
@@slimjadeyyy especially with cops and detectives
This is not the norm for Springfield
@@emmalinCaproni honestly, not the norm for anyone who works for the government in Illinois
my heart just breaks for Roger, he seems like he was maybe struggling with mental health and was a bit of an outcast :(
i was looking for this comment…. He deserved better :(
Yes. It seems like he had a case of arrested development and very misunderstood and didn't realize he was being set up. I hope his family gets a settlement or compensation.
I'm glad his family were able to see his name cleared. Rude behavior does not necessarily make someone a murderer.
Yea poor guy
Not to say he deserved what happened, but didn't it say that he was well known to commit acts of domestic violence? Which is one reason it was so easy to set him up in the first place?
There’s something i can’t stop thinking about this case: What if Mark had decided to stay with DeAnn? Would she have confessed? Or would she still be quiet to this day?
She would have been quiet.
Seeing how he was a cheater and a cold blooded murdered, he would have done something eventually that would cause her to expose him
Well I wonder , because I still cant just say "she will not be quite to this day"
Imagine they HADNT ran into her at the emergency room…
I think she'd have kept quiet-- until he started treating her badly, which was likely inevitable.
Deanne saying "She didn't need to die. She didn't deserve to die"
YEAH NO SHIT! YOU WERE THE ONE WHO COULD HAVE STOPPED IT AND SAVED HER LIFE! She only went to the cops when she was the rejected woman and Mark picked Rebecca. What a POS. If she is expecting us to feel bad for her, news flash! We DON'T!
Exactly! 100%
Agreed. She’s disgusting! Mad because she got played and only went to the police because she was jealous.
Exactly what I was thinking like girl bye your so selfish
DeAnn was the worst possible friend ever!
I hope no one ever has a friend like DeAnn!
Poor Donnah :(
Truth. What a fucking horrible person to have as a best friend!
DeAnne didn't wanna hurt Donna?? As she has an affair with her husband, AND keeps his murder plot a secret for YEARS!! Girl....Don't NOBODY feel bad for you!!
Exactly, she's *sick* to do that to her best friend.
She only came forward when she realized Mark married the babysitter
More like didn’t want to hurt Donna, herself.
She also knew that Her best friend could possibly get killed
Absolutely, ZERO sympathy for DeAnne.
Also if Roger was obsessed with Donna, why would Mark’s name be on the note and not Donna’s?
YES
Because they prolly thought since he was obsessed with Donna he wanted to get rid of Mark but it went wrong . His target was the husband or maybe since he didn't take a weapon with him . He wanted to see her and then that went wrong. But still things don't really add up. Glad it was solved !!
@@paulinasanchez7717 ah! Good perspective!!
Thank you
EXACTLY!
my thought exactly
the fact that the jealousy got to DeAnn rather than the fact he killed her bestfriend is one of the most alarming things about this case
only if you're extremely misogynistic
Exactly, it's weird to defend her and say she felt guilt
She only went to the police because she was jealous
She's such a horrible person and I don't understand how no charges were pressed against her
@@StardustukIt was her anger at him for marrying another which eventually made her do the right thing.
You don't need enemies when you have friends like Deanne
For real. F her. She is just mad he chose another woman; doubt she would’ve said anything if they were happily married skipping through the tulips.
@@jennzifur If it wasn’t for her, the case would have been opened.
@@sierramcclary2897 it’s still fuck deanne tho
Yikes I hope non of my friends are Deanne
LITERALLY
I don’t feel bad for Deanne. She knew her “best friend”‘s husband wanted her dead and she never said anything.
Some people can some pretty fucked up things and have guilt as time goes on. Others may sleep like a baby from day one and never think much of it. Whether you feel bad for her or not, it's good that she finally said something for the other people involved.
Exactly!!!! She's a fawking snake 🐍
He’d probably kill her too. She was also in love with him, he used her feelings to manipulate her…. She definitely made some shitty choices, but I do feel bad for her. In the end, she did the right thing, and it wasn’t too late.
Same
Yepp , who knows about this story because it's so convoluted ----but Kendall is saying Deanne had an affair with her best friends husband , said nothing after she thought he murdered her---but then got upset because he chose another woman to be with
I see similarities between Mark Winger and other wife murderers like Chris Watts and Scott Peterson. Seemingly decent husband and fathers who have a dark side. Scares me.
Fuels my trust issues even more. You could be living with or near a murderer.
There’s usually red flags but yes, they walk among us!! 😱 insane to me how easy it is to portray the “all American couple” story that these people are able to do
Stories like these make being single a blessing. Why is it so often the spouse/significant other??
Caroline Crouch was also murdered by her "good man, loving, christian" husband.
Makes me want someone who isn’t perfect at all and shows their real emotions. I think the scariest people are those who seem *perfect* and don’t always show their true emotions but act charming no matter what. I know from experience, my ex husband attempted murder on me twice and everyone thought he was the most charming person .. he continues to do this to women to this day. I’ve told the system numerous times he will end up killing a woman in his lifetime. He was incarcerated but not actually murdering someone they don’t give that much time (2 years!!). He is able to manipulate even the system into thinking he’s better. Then he gets out and does it again. And his mother is his biggest enabler, sweet talking women even more for him and then threatening the woman after an attack for him. And claims to be the most devoted Christian. And of course he never tells anyone about his past. It’s honest to God sickening.
Mad respect for Charlie Cox owning up to the errors. Nice to see someone take some responsibility.
The scariest person in this is DeAnn. Having an affair with your best friend's husband and continuing the affair after she knew he had killed her and then only telling the truth after he picked Rebecca over her. The ""guilt" didn't get to her. Jealousy did. The fact she didn't get charged with anything is such a miscarriage of justice.
She might be immoral and utter trash but she did not break any laws apart from withholding information, and that she got away with as a part of the deal because she voluntarily came forward herself.
@@lusomarga As you said though, it's still immoral and downright trashy of her. It's just sad she can't be charged with a crime.
Exactly
100%
@@lusomarga she did break laws actually. She was complicit. She knew that she would be murdered and knew the plan. After her murder she went along with it. She should’ve been charged. She 100% broke several laws.
Mark: “be a part of the murder plot with me”
Deanne: “you’re crazy”
Deanne: *continues affair with Mark after her best friend’s murder and only comes clean out of jealousy and spite*
Donnah deserved much, much better.
10000% !!!!
Exactly ugh
@@aidynathome9927 lll
THIS! What a disgusting human being, she truly is just as vile as he is. I wish they had given her some time for being complicit, she even knew about it before it happened. Sick.
@@TheChecharrua Exactly ugh!
Another great example of people forgetting divorce is a thing.
Right? I’m going to tell my future husband to just divorce me, not kill me. I won’t put up a fight.
@@lonepinata I can’t 😂😂
They don’t forget . They still want that life insurance
He got 25 K plus 100 K on life insurance. Divorce 6 years into the marriage would mean alimony payments for a baby he signed up for. Forget about it my ass.
@@s2lLandals2 alimony isn’t the same as child support
The audacity of Mark suing the transportation company for hiring the man he falsely pinned a murder on
That's the jews for you in a nutshell.
Come for me IDGAF that's the truth.
One thing he has plenty of was audacity.
One of the damn things,other than the photos, that tripped him up.
I’m so confused why her “best friend” DeAnn didn’t get charged with anything? She didn’t kill her but she definitely withheld info so she is an accomplice in a way.
She received immunity for coming forward with the information on Mark.
And lowkey if she had it her way he would’ve been with her and not Rebecca she wouldn’t have said a thing
She threw Mark under the bus and saved herself
If the justice system punishes people who come forth on their own with information, a whole lot more people would not come forward.
@@lulub1433 Great point
I feel like the “best friend “ is horrible too! It doesn’t seem to me that she felt guilty about what happened to Donnah she was betrayed by mark and wanted revenge that’s why I think she came forward with everything. Just my opinion plz don’t hate on me for having an opinion ✌🏻
That was my thought too. I don’t think Donna’s “friend” ever truly cared about her. Like, she really “exchanged” rings with her dead “friends” husband right after her brutal murder. I think she was just mad at Mark for ditching her for the nanny and wanted to get back at him.
@@PrincessB6
Oh yeah definitely Donna's s friend Deann committed the ultimate betrayal and I wonder what else she really knew before Donna's murder
ya she should have definitely came forwds when this first happened so those kids didn't have to grow up without a father..it was also weird that he had a note in his car with a time on it..
Bingo!! Deanne is trash and just as much responsible smh
Yuuup! She def got away with murder herself. How could you stab your "best friend" in the back & then not come forward when you KNOW he killed her!?!?
I don’t respect deann because she only started to feel “guilty” when she was left behind for another woman. She IS just a woman scorned and full of it. She was fine with being implicated in the crime until she felt rejected. She’s a horrible person and should have been charged also.
Yes.. what a clever fox..
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I totally agree she's just as culpable
Hopefully you’ve never made a mistake and felt guilty for it. If so we can tear you apart and dissect you, too.
@@valerie7008 There's a difference between a mistake and helping cover up a double homicide
It's so said that everybody is talking about Donna but not about Roger. Poor Roger he was killed, just because he wanted to apologise. And he just fell into Mark's trap. Poor Roger and Donna. RIP to both of them.
the fact that the “best friend” exchanged rings with mark and committed “life with him” AFTER she already knew he killed donnah.. ??? like excuse me
My theory? Mark and Dianne continued their affair well after he married Rebecca. As time passed, realizing he had no intention of leaving his wife and family, Dianne decided to rat him out. Also, Dianne was complicit in Donna's death--helped or at least consented to her murder. If Dianne wasn't a woman scorned, poor Donna would have never gotten justice.
@@belmum1689 that's what she says, but who knows if she's being honest. She doesn't have the greatest track record
I’ve noticed that a few times, it’s a salty side chick who goes to police with key information, their morality kick in after the liaison ends, how convenient 😊
For sure, she never felt any remorse, she talked because she got jelous, she's sick, guilt my ass.
100%
His babysitter was pregnant 5 months after his wife's death.... He was probs still screwing her on the side while charming the babysitter..... He moved on hella fast! Not from his wife from his mistress and thats why she came out n told the truth... She shud be charged with being an accessory
Does Donnah’s ‘’’best friend’’ expect us to feel bad for her? Like she literally confessed her involvement when she realized that mark dropped her sorry ass to f*ck the baby sitter. Just my opinion but to me it seemed like she kept her mouth shut in hopes of Mark marrying her instead of the baby sitter
She should feel guilty she did donnah so wrong😒
I agree because they bought rings together after he killed Donna. The best friend is equally as guilty!
Whenever you said "live in nanny" I already knew the turn this was going to take 😩🤚🏾
I was suspicious of the “best friend” picture. They usually aren’t mentioned unless they are a hero or a villain. Villain in this case.
💯I was saying, yep here we go🤦♀
Same, Like I knew where this was going
Notice how the live in nannies are usually always young and pretty...🤔
@taram9409 Yes, here in Germany is a case without murder, where the husband took the very young nanny and divorced his wife. A really rich publisher.
Kudos to Detective Cox for never giving up on that gut feeling of his AND for admitting his mistake and doing his best to help. Detectives are still human, and mistakes happen. It takes someone with integrity to admit they were wrong, especially in a situation like this.
he is a rare example of police officers doing it. Very rare. Many times it's swept under the rug.
It was Doug Williamson who was suspicious from the very beginning and Cox wasn’t on his partner’s side until after Winger kept making unnecessary visits to the station
Yep, I thought the same.
Wow what a horrible friend. I mean wow, for one sleeping with your bestfriends husband and wanting to take her place. Him also talking about killing her and having her be in it. Then not say shit to police for years?? Until she had a falling out with him?? That’s not a friend. She should’ve been charged. Disgusting
!!!
I'm so happy Rebecca reconnected with Donna's family again.
My question is would Deanne ever come forward if Mark chose her?? Smh she’s a pretty icky person as well..
I was just going to say this.
Yea she is a gross human being
And the answer is..... Nope! 😏
so true, terrifying thought
She wouldn't! She is just as bad as Mark!
Beating someone to death with a hammer is .... absolutely horrific. Especially someone you are claiming to love. I just cannot believe the second wife saw no red flags at all in their marriage.
Unless she cracked it all up to ptsd or as normal stressors/reactions in a marriage. She was very young, much younger than him and this was likely her first serious relationship. She was also pregnant/freshly post-partum for 98% of their relationship/marriage which likely incentivized rose tinted glasses and or allowed things to be chalked up hormones. Millions of people wind up in relationships with abusive people without realizing it, it can be hard to know until it’s too late.
@@knownbeforecreation very well said!
yeah I'd like to hear more about her process
He’s a complete sociopathic malignant narcissist, with no remorse, regret or guilt. I have no doubts that he is a great actor and manipulator, can’t blame a women looking after 4 kids to not see any tiny red flags.
She gave him 4 biological children. He probably didn't resent her as much as Donna, so less noticeable red flags
Those videos of Donna with her daughter are absolutely heartbreaking, She was so excited to finally be a mother and I'm sure she would've been an amazing mom. She deserved to live a happy full life with her baby. Such a sad story.
I feel the most for roger and his family because his mental health struggles and eccentric personality was used against him and he was seen as the perpetrator for so many years before the truth came out
Me too. Mark is completely awful, but what he did to Roger is the icing on the sh*t cake.
I also feel for Detective Doug Williamson because he was the only person to be suspicious of Mark from the beginning and that his supervisor and the rest of the department kept turning him down including his partner Charles Cox. However Mark’s constant visits to the police station, was what ultimately got Cox back on his partner’s side. But as soon they both took their concerns to their supervisor, they were both turned down saying that they needed something more concrete to make it official.
@crucialtaunt571Corn. Not icing.
Donnah's family is literally the sweetest, and so was Donnah. No one deserved this. This was so heartbreaking. Thank you Kendall, for sharing this story.
Donna was betrayed by her husband and best friend. may she rest in peace.
Absolutely disgusting, the two people she loved and trusted the most. My heart breaks.
Hooking up with the nanny that fast it’s so weird and how she got pregnant very fast is strange to. It’s almost like he resented his Deceased wife because she couldn’t give him biological children.
Oh good point.
That's exactly it.
Misogyny
I thought this as well.
My thoughts exactly
I didn’t even realize this until you said it, great point!
43:40 I cannot help but think if Roger and his roommate weren’t living in a trailer park, their stories would have been believed at the time of the murders. Donnah’s story is so tragic and she was obviously let down in so many terrible ways. But Roger was also let down in the fact that police didn’t want to believe anybody in his life due to their social status.
And his mental illness.
They should've known when he had a note with Mark winger named and number and cigarettes and another item was found with him, a killer wouldn't bring those items nor want to have anything attaching them to coming to the crime scene. That evidence right there should've made them look deeper and look to see if Mark lured him there cause Donnah would definitely not want someone that scared her so much in their home nor would she open the door for him.
@@violetsrayreikishop2I always found that odd because why wouldn’t he have Donna’s name and phone number? You would think he would have his target’s name and phone number, rather than her husband’s info. At least, that was odd to me.
I don’t for one single second feel badly for Deanne.
Me either, she's just as bad as Mark imo.
and she manages to play the victim like: "i had suicide attempts i feel guilty 🥺🥺🥺" she is dis-gus-ting
@@m-pl9fd exactly !!!
I’m with you!! If Mark had chosen Deanne, then she most likely wouldn’t have reported him to the police.
After knowing what he did...still continued their relationship...exchanged rings too! Its like she didnt mind being second best to her husb and him...she couldnt handle being fully rejected
Kae Rae has the best speaking voice. Her words are thick, clear, and harmonious to the mind. It oddly allows my brain to process the information and story lines with ease. With comprehension comes memorization. Thanx chick!
Right. I put her on when I can't sleep
@@saraalbouji omg same
yes!! finally someone agrees, i usually watch crime videos and the narrator usually has a robotic and uninteresting voice and i find it hard to process the stuff they're saying and with Kendall i can easily process everything she's saying.
@@luvmitchy yes..im so glad someone feels me on that!
Omg yessssss
In the 20/20 episode about this case, they state that the young cop at the scene who had suspicions about Mark's story (the one whose picture Kendall shows) was the one who took those Polaroids that ended up convicting Mark years later. The cop just knew this all didn't seem right but didn't have the clout to push it anywhere at the time.
So glad you added this. I wondered why no one knew about them & who took them. When EMS has to be on scene stat like that it can change evidence. But i don't know why they couldn't testify as to why they wouldn't have moved a gunshot victim 180°
Good for him!!!!
It sounds like the young Officer has a gut instinct that makes a great detective.
🙌
the way DeAnn said she feels guilty and that she loved Donna all while she was sleeping with Mark behind Donna's back and knew Mark wanted to kill Donna and kept it a secret for years. the audacity to victimize herself in this situation
She's has same responsibility as Donna's husband.
That is not love.
@@lelu810She’s the perfect example of ‘with friends like this, who needs enemies’?
I feel bad for Donnah and Roger. They didn't deserve that. It horrifies me to think about how many criminals are walking freely. DeAnn only came forward because she felt betrayed by Mark. If it was guilt then she would have exposed him before but she only told the truth to police when she saw Mark and Rebecca together on hospital. He could have just divorced Donnah instead of killing her. Reminder to these horrible mf that divorce exist.
I hate when I hear when a spouse kills another spouse for someone else divorce exist ugh
@@v.r.m.891 Ya he could've just divorced with her not kill her why can't he THINK
@@fatimahmonet4976 I know tell me about it anyways I guess it was easier for him to collect the insurance money
I feel like if he would of had the Deanne woman she would of still be quiet to this day but he pissed her off soo..
@@bjjjb3056 right! I was thinking the same. If it went the way they planned, DeAnn wouldn’t have come forward about it, but if they did stay together after her death people would question that Donna best friend is with her husband.
“how powerful secrets can be” this isn’t middle school gossip your best friend died and you hid it for 3 years.
I had a similar thought at that point too like how childish some of the people in these cases can be is mind blowing
Right!
Exactlyyy. Like girl you are not a victim here you’re an accessory to murder damn near
I love how it seemed like Rodger’s family wasn’t holding any grudges with how the investigation went; although his name was dragged through filth initially, they were just as happy to see Donnah receive true justice
more likely to be happy that Rodger got true justice, as well as Donnah, considering Rodger was a victim himself too.
this actually hurts my heart. i’ve watched many true crime videos but hearing how much she wanted kids and seeing how loving and wonderful and happy that she was able to fulfill that dream but then being killed 3 months after is soo gut wrenching. it hurts me to hear she wasn’t given more time to see her child grow
But what’s even worse, from we heard on the 20/20, is that Mark was trying to erase Donnah’s memory as if she never existed
Her “best friend” Deann didn’t feel bad about her death, she was just mad that she lost Mark to the nanny.
Yep! 💯 and thay Deanne loser deserves to be locked up!
She’s disgusting
I Know. she is just as much to blame. MY god are there any good people left here in the world?
The bestfriend is just as much at fault! She needs to sit in a prison cell she KNEW she should have said something
Instead she was exchanging rings with him AFTER he killed Donnah.
The only reason she came forward is because he ended up choosing Rebecca. DeAnn deserves the same place he does
100% but I’m glad she did say something he would’ve gotten away
Totally agree
Yea I'm pretty sure its called accessory to murder. But when the police need someone to help they forgive all their crimes
Rebecca says he was the perfect husband and father, never noticed any red flags.
Well Mark and Donna were together for 6 years with the seemingly perfect marriage so honestly I feel like given enough time Rebecca would’ve been next.
I completely agree
They were together for a while. They had 3 kids together.
@@maxielove1957 they was together 4 years
Not necessarily. I guess not until something went wrong in this 'perfect life'. Being a narcissist, i believe he wanted a perfect family and Donnah not being able to conceive his kids was in the way. There is always a question why narcissists don't ask for divorce but opt for murder. I think it has a lot to do with 'loosing face' and feeling humiliated while going through divorce, which they hate the most. In this case he disposed of his wife AND got to play the victim AND found a 'better wife'.
Yes....He would eventually snapped again
Omg when she first picked up the baby and saw it for the first time I teared up you could really tell she wanted to be a mother, true love at first sight 🥺
“She said she didn’t want to hurt Donnah” UMM YOU WERE SLEEEPING WITH HER HUSBAND 😡😡
That part pissed me off so much! She’s absolute trash!
How is killing someone easier than just getting a divorce... I cant
So how did they get the driver to come over to frame him? I think I missed that part
@@acewingate6993 mark asked Roger to come over, I guess because of what happened when Roger drove Donna home from the airport and Roger was excited to go over to their house so he could clear things up
Yeah frrr like in all these cases ifs so fckn annoying. But i think possibly it's a hero complex thing ? Cus imagine divorcing your wife who you just adopted a newborn with to be with her best friend who you had been having a secret affair with; not a good look. You would be seen more like a villain. So idk maybe it is that. Doesn't make it right in fact i think it makes it worse honestly. Gross
Because narcissists care about an opinion about them more than about another human being. And in their minds they think they will get away with murder.
@@Ashhbitch1 thanks! yeah, I think I just wanted more details of that, like how that conversation happened so easily
i feel so bad for bailey’s birth mom i would’ve been like some y’all are crazy give me my kid back
Exactly this! Could you imagine placing your child up for adoption to “give them a better life” and here we are.
I feel so bad for everyone involved - including Rebecca. She probably felt she was supporting a grieving man and fell for him in the process :(
KENDALL! Funny story : I was sitting in my living room and heard your voice on my moms phone. I look over and see that she watches your videos through Facebook! Found out my moms been a viewer for about a year now! We then went on to talk about cases you've covered for a few hours haha I love it!
Aww that’s lovely ☺️☺️
My mom and I watch her too! My mom told me a few years ago about her, so when I caught myself watching more true crime cases, I gave Kendall a shot and no regrets!
girl my mom does the same thing, sometimes it just starts in the middle of a story and she’ll just watch it having absolutely no context just because she loves kendall that much
I found out my mom watches her the same way, no joke. And my mom watches through Facebook too. I heard kendalls voice when I was napping on the couch and woke up coz I thought I left my phone on and it was my mom watching her videos on Facebook.
If my mom used social media I know she would love Kendall. She watches ID and other crime shows all the time. A lot of the cases that I tell her about she already knows lol
Mark said, “why would I kill my wife and not just get a divorce if I didn’t love her anymore.” Well I think he killed her for insurance money and so he wouldn’t be painted a villain if he left her when they were about to adopt a newborn. I also think the best friend who blew the case open had more to do with it than she says.
I completely agree!! She had to have something to do with it
@@Tam-ns4jo Amazing point
Agreed!! screw deanne
Ah yes 🙌 money 💰!!! Thank you my question is answered as to Divorce is not seen as the “cheaper” option. Who said money can’t buy you love!!! But it certainly buys death 💀!!
@@Tam-ns4jo Super good point!!
This is disgusting, Mark has an affair with his WIFES BEST FRIEND, and she never told Donna that Mark said he might kill Donna? Wtf I'm disgusted.
This story is mind blowing. I can’t believe we live amongst people like Mark and Deanne 😳
“I didn’t realize how powerful secrets could be.”
REALLY, LADY? REALLY?
She’s loving her 15 minutes 🙄🙄 gross.
I wonder which best friend is she duping now?
It’s so insane that he is still standing by his narrative that he didn’t kill Donna. And I’m so happy for Rebecca and her kids that she’s doing well!
Cases like this just really scare me because you never 100% truly know a person. I can't imagine what Donna was thinking when the love of her life just starts hitting her with a hammer. So sorry for her mostly.
I’m still thinking about how they never tested the hammer for fingerprints. Just mind blowing !!!
I’m sure they did but you never know mark probably had gloves on, there wasn’t a drop of blood on him
He could’ve also easily explained away any of his own fingerprints since Mark owned the hammer. Although I completely agree they still should have tested it to see if Roger’s fingerprints were on it because if not that would’ve blown Mark’s entire story up.
I’m sorry it’s the “no forced entry, Pictures of the body that were in the file for years that apparently nobody saw, and the asking for the literal gun back” negligence from the cops for me. 🤣 like that shit is 101 Crime Scene shit!
@@Matt_fxx the hammer would’ve had mark’s prints on it regardless of if he did it or not since it’s his hammer. if they tested for fingerprints they would be looking for roger’s, mark literally just got lucky.
It wasn’t weird to the police that Mark was able to get his gun in time to catch the guy in the act when he had come off the treadmill PLUS the intruder had not brought a murder weapon? Plus the intruder had zero blood splatter? Plus Mark kept asking if they were investigating him? Incompetence!
That's exactly what I kept thinking! Did he run to grab the gun once he saw the baby alone on the bed? Or did he run and get it after he saw the man hitting her? I'm shocked if they didn't ask about this.
Thank you! Saying you had a gut feeling all along doesn't excuse your horrible police work
Yeah I was wondering when he got the gun as well. Seems like he just happened to have it in hand. It wasn't hidden or locked away that he had to go retrieve? Really weird!
I was confused about that too. He just happened to have his gun on him?
And also he never mentioned that he heard screaming just a "bang." Pretty sure if you were being attacked with a hammer you would be screaming.
Poor roger people were so quick to demonise him and use his mental health issues against him - sounded like he was struggling but he even felt bad about it and went to apologise... I hate that he was stigmatised and even in his waking life it seems like people were judgemental towards him. I have my own mental health issues so I can really empathise that part just really got to me. RIP Roger and Donnah. No sympathy for Deanne even in the interview she tried to make herself the victim.
I also have mental health issues and can really feel for poor Roger too. His family did not deserve to have his name dragged through the mud like that
“it all made sense, case closed”
*20 minutes in*
ah shit, here we go
fr i re read the title and was like wait a minute..
It was a great hook. I was like hol up...
I love how Kendall often doesn't give away the ending. She takes you through what everyone knew at the time as though it's fact, even if she knows that changes later in the story. It really takes you on a journey.
Kendall’s ability to be unbiased in these cases really do be making me picture the whole story instead of knowing whose the bad guy off jump .
Besides the title of the video.
Gotta love an unbiased view from all sides possible ❤
You know the person's guilty when kendall says "one thing they noted about them that was weird tho"
Deanne is such a bad person and I don’t even think she felt bad about betraying her best friend by sleeping with her husband. I feel like she’s just jealous of Rebecca and is upset that Mark chose Rebecca over her. She should’ve gotten jail time as well.
The best friend only told cause she’s was jealous and didn’t get the life she wanted. I don’t think she felt guilty. I think she she felt heartbroken and that’s why she kept trying to take her own life.
I agree. Wonder how she feels now knowing that he was trying to have her killed from prison.
100% !!!
She exchanged rings with her "best friend's" husband AFTER basically knowing he murdered her. Yeah she's full of shit
I cant even describe how devastated I feel watching Donnah's smile in the videos and pictures.. Im sure she had such a warm soul and she deserved to live and to be the wonderful person and mother she clearly was meant to be.
“I would have just divorced her” continues to have an affair behind her back. Okay Mark.
If only he did.
Imagine having an affair with your best friends husband KNOWING he is going to kill her and claiming you “felt guilt” YEARS later when he didn’t choose you. OKAY DEANNE OKAY. I hope she feels guilty because she should feel awful
Deanne should’ve been jailed too. At that point she was basically an accomplice.
Not to mention withholding information.
It’s not like she was afraid of him and that’s why she didn’t come forward with what she knew. Disgusting that she only came forward because she was jealous
She testified agains Mark. Thats why she wasn’t prosecuted for withholding an information. Also she wasn’t interviewed during the initial investigation. So technically she didn’t withhold anything.
Donnah's family seem to be the best people out there. So supportive and empathetic.
I feel bad for Bailey's birth mother, she tried to give her daughter a better life...
Yeah , but if you look at it another way---why get pregnant in the first place if you're unable to provide for and take care of a child
@@exitscreaming bruh you know people have sex for fun right? You know there is no birth control that is 100% effective? What a weird ass statement
@@madisonperry5645 bruh you don't know how to have sex without getting pregnant ? What a weird ass statement
@@exitscreaming how do you know she wasn’t raped? You’re shaming someone for going thru and having a baby. Teenage girls are literally giving birth in their bathrooms and throwing their babies away because of people like you.
@@Itsokay222 No they aren't . Where did you read she was raped ? We'll wait....
To be honest, I’m surprised Mark didn’t just stay with Deanne purely for the fact she knew what happened and could blow his cover any time. They’re both as bad as each other, poor Donna was murdered for her best friend and they didn’t even end up together. Deanne should have gone to the police as soon as Mark made the comments, disgusting how blinded love can make some people.
Mark is a narcissist and probally though she was fine with being the mistress and would do whatever he said
That is not love. There is no love amongst the evil. God is good, God is love. Love does no evil.
Mark was an idiot, he should have silenced Deanne, no one would have suspected.
true! But also I wonder if her knowing what happened is why he didn't stay with her. It kinda seems he didn't want anyone or anything around him that reminded him of Donna or what he did. Even going so far as pushing her mother out the picture and getting so upset about the necklace in Donna's likeness. I could see him feeling the same about Deanne. I think it was less of a guilty conscience thing and more of him wanting to immerge himself in a "reality" in which he wasn't a killer. He seems in denial even to this day about who he really is.
@@jsnndlz15 that’s a really good point!! And I think you’re right about that
Deanne is as guilty as Mark!! She would NEVER have spilled the beans if Mark had chosen her over Rebecca.
I have absolutely no sympathy for the ‘guilt’ she says she feels.
This is why every death needs to be thoroughly investigated and what happened needs to be completely proven.
Same with missing persons cases too. There was this case in CA in which a mail gram was used to cover up the murder of a 16-year-old boy who vanished in 1984. The boy’s mother (who reported him missing) showed the officers that mail gram but the department closed it off as a runaway. That case would later make headlines 14 years later after a couple (making upgrades to their home’s heating ducts) found a skeleton buried in the crawl space. It turns out that the victim was the missing kid who’s lifeless body was rotting under everyone’s noses.
@@INDLIS that is so sad. What was his name? I read an amazing article by an ex NYC homicide detective that described how many suicides aren’t properly investigated and are actually murders. The cops especially don’t bother investigating old people or depressed people/addicts etc
@@ragtimegals it was Chris Denoyer, he was killed by his stepfather Jackson Villarta
I was just thinking this morning I miss Kendall!
Yep, me too... all the time!
I was getting worried bc shes been posting on Saturdays lately 😂😂😂
Me 2
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I think he 100% resented her because she couldn’t have his biological babies or at least it had something to do with it.
Imagine being so resented for something so dumb and you couldn't control... Like wow
And he led Rebecca to believe he couldn't have children.
That can explain why he got the nanny pregnant so fast
@@bloodpixie777 sad thing is that this really happens, i would tell him to go try to get pregnant himself
I mean he could’ve just divorced her no? He’s just freaking evil!!
It’s crazy that people would rather murder than tell the truth or get a divorce like…
I am happy Roger's parents lived long enough to see their son's name cleared. I saw another piece on this case and I could see the gratitude in his mother's face. I feel though, that they should've received compensation.
Are we supposed to feel bad for the bestfriend? Because we don’t.
It's so beautiful how Donnah always has a smile on her face when she has the baby with her.
They didn’t wonder why Roger’s note had Mark’s name and not Donnah’s? That was weird to me. Really crazy that he was able to keep the act up for so many years, and no one suspected a thing. Chilling. They’re among us, walking around like they’re normal. Fooling all of us.
Yeah it just seemed like a reminder of an invitation. Like he was saying,"Mark Winger gave me his address, and asked me to be there at this time. Don't forget"
I think it could have seem at the time that he was jealous and would do something to Mark, not Donna? That seems plausible, giving the stalking history they claimed
and the roommate heard him get a call and write down a man's name. and their neighbor heard the gunshots FIVE minutes apart. and the polaroids that nobody noticed. they just ignored all of the contradicting evidence.
@@dream-nz9yb exactly!!! Almost like they really didn’t WANT to investigate because his story literally made perfect sense. Thats literally still NO excuse at all. But yeah
Also, i wonder if they checked the hammer for Roger's finger prints?
Don’t know why DeAnne was so supported in this video. I hope no one has a best friend like her ever. Sleeps with your husband who plots your murder and then exchanges forever rings with him after he kills you. She should be doing some time for sure.
“I feel free.” Well you shouldn’t. Your “best friend's” blood is on your hands. Deanna and Rebecca are both crazy. Mark is the ring leader. RIP Donnah . You did not deserve this.
Deborah?
@@mariechev7732 Donnah * I have edited the original post. I was so frustrated while composing my reply that i misspelled her name
why is rebecca crazy? she hardly did anything wrong
Rebecca is not crazy. She had no idea about Mark's past or the case before he started getting looked at again. I can imagine the shock and confusion that your husband will be in prison and your kids won't have a father. It's a lot to take in you know? And she's come to terms with it over the years and hates him. What more can you ask of her? She didn't do anything wrong.
@@LB-zx5jl because she couldn't wait a few months to jump in bed with him and get pregnant like??
The fact that he was having an affair with his wife's friend is just awful. I just wish she had come forward earlier. He thought he had gotten away with murder. So many people hurt by his actions. I'm glad he's been caught.
Exactly I mean that’s low to cheat with a friend and it also never works out. Like if your gonna cheat than take it away from the home.
She could not have come forward earlier, she was busy exchanging rings AFTER he killed her. And she knew he killed her all this time, Heck she knew he would. She deserves to be behind bars as well.
Honestly I'm surprised he didn't try to get rid of Deann after he decided to go with the nanny instead of her. He was trying to get away with the perfect murder, and he just trusted that the woman he scorned was going to keep her mouth shut about it? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he didn't kill anyone else, but that's pretty dumb to keep that loose end out there. He tried to have her killed AFTER he went to jail. lol.
Jackie B. or just divorce
@@coyoter9691 That’s a really good point honestly.
I think grandparental rights are so important and could have really come in handy in this case. They truly and deeply cared about that little girl. They already traumatically lost their daughter. Why let them suffer through that loss as well. 💔
The part for me that made him seem incredibly suspicious is how on the 911 call he mentioned shooting a man before he mentioned his wife. Obviously, everyone reacts differently, and you never know how you’d react to a situation like that but I’m pretty sure most people would lead with the info on their loved on, not a random intruder, especially as the crime scene was so gruesome. He was playing the ‘hero’ from the very beginning.
That’s a good point I didn’t connect that
she’s very religious but slept with him within 5 months of his wife dying and got pregnant but didn’t wanna get married 🤣 not finished yet but I think I know what happened!
I don’t want to be judgmental.....but I couldn’t help but think that too lol.
some religious people can be the biggest hypocrites when it comes to how they wanna live their own lives tbh
I giggled a little too 😂
Seriously I was thinking the same thing, too religious to get married that quickly, but not too religious to have sex with him within a month of knowing him, or even to be living in his house before marriage. I am not finished yet either but I agree that something doesn't sit right, and it almost makes me think they knew each other before his wife died.
Lol 😆
I love how when you tell confusing stories with a lot of people involved its SO easy to follow by the way you explain things. Some other channels can get so confusing with their story telling, you do it so well!
May Donna Rest in peace . That excuse of a bestfriend 🙄 didn’t have Donna best interest at heart. If Mark had ended up staying with her she would of taken that secret to her grave.
She was jealous and bitter and wanted revenge.
Exactly!!! POS lady!
I have volunteered with my Church at Women’s in distress. I have always admired this organization, so to find out that it was created in honor of Donna it makes me admire it even more. Thank you for always sharing these stories Kendall. The way you describe it make us feel like we know these people.
Mark Winger is the best master manipulator i’ve ever seen, it’s terrifying.
Given her family supported him even after he axed them out of the baby's life, I was thinking the same. It is terrifying how he pulled that off.
It's odd that more isn't said about the fact that it's been reported on "Wikipedia" for some yrs he's the first-cousin of actress Debra Winger. It must be true.
I think it’s weird when people are like “babies are so strong” Bro it doesn’t know wtf is happening.
lmao “it”
I was thinking the same thing.
Deadass
Lmaoo
But "it" did suddenly lose the one person "it" had bonded with and loved, trusted more than anyone. "It" didn't know wtf was going on, yes.. didn't know why this person suddenly wasn't there anymore. Probably cried for her, longed for her yet still kept smiling & yes stayed strong.👍
i feel really bad for roger, he might’ve been a bit crazy but the media turned it into something bigger. He just got sucked up into all of this. Imagine being his sibling/family. Seeing the media sketch this image, i really feel bad for him
ANY time someone calling 911 hangs up immediately after telling what is the problem, that is a HUGE red flag. Anyone who really comes across something like this, and especially when people have died, AND you are all alone in the scene, you do NOT want to be all alone there...you hang on the phone knowing it is a lifeline for help. IF you REALLY want help.