What a great car and combo. This was my 36th straight US Nationals and I don’t think people realize how big this event is and to win a Wally in any stock class is a HUGE achievement.
Mad Irishman This car showed up on plenty of magazines throughout the 90s and early 2000s..I guess you must be new and to racing if you don’t know who Steve sullivan is 🤣😂
Awesome video Evan. Appreciate everything u do. I miss MMFF magazine 😢 when I was building my car back in 92 I couldn’t wait for the next new month to hit the shelves. Your a LEGEND brother!!!! 👍🏼🙏🏼
I race K/SA with an 87 Monte Carlo SS and SS/JA in a 1990 Corvette. I own an engine shop so I get to do a lot of experimentation. Im running well into the 11s (consistent 11.70s) with a 305. Ive found a combo that runs pretty hard but a new Dart Little M 305 block and custom ground cam and say bye bye to the current national record 11.65.
Kudos to anyone who can run 11's with an intake tract that flows 160 cfm! I know a lot of the power gains is from the camshaft. But these cars are dyno testing at 300+ rwhp! The normal car guy usually has to replace the whole top end to hit 300 rwhp.
Good for you Sir, znd I thank you for the memories. I've built and raced my 90 LX Hatch for many years, 302, 5 speed. My wife at the time, said I can do whatever I wanted as long as I kept the A.C. Boy did she regret that ha! Her first ride was her last ride, could have something to do with scraping the rear bumper leaving the line. Moral of the story, when your husband is a Engine Builder, sharing a shop with a Chassis Builder, choose your words wisely, just sayin 🇺🇸😎💪🇺🇸😎💪🇺🇸
@@hs400 i agree there is alot of magic going on with these i respect them so much. The things he mentioned are def factors but that aint the only reasons its in the 11s.
5.0 or fast fords had an article long time ago about welding the stock upper intake and reworking the runners for stock classes, forgot about it until I watched this video, pretty cool. 🦊 forever.
Hell we did that in the late 90s. We even used what Crane Cams used to have which is called the fireball system used to be a piggy back on the ECU to where you could control timing and fuel. We had won the last ones and Crane Cams offered to buy it back from Jeff McBride.
Very interesting to hear some of the limitations and rules on racing in this class. I've always likes the fox body mustang's but never owned one. Cheers to your victory!
That awesome man ripping the front wheels off the ground with almost a stock motor u should be in a hot rod magazine awesome car I love its all metal body 2 u have that car figured out great car!👍👍👍👍👍🧠🤙🤙👊👊🤟🤟
Very cool car. Easy to work on and relatively cheap to build. Youve obviously got it dialed in after years of tnt. Have a couple questions: 1. What kind of fuel do you run (allowed)? 2. Rear suspension mods/rear gears? 3. I noticed in the video that when you started your burnout, the back of the car raised up alittle. When i launch my s550 irs car, the rear squats quite a bit. I know your suspension setup is completely different, but which is better for launching? Should i tighten up my rear suspension to prevent squatting? Id just like the opinion of an accomplished FS racer. Thx.
Most Stocker guys run VP C11, C12, C16 or C25. Looks like when he started the burnout the tires were gripping right before they broke free from the track so it loaded the suspension and lifted the rear.
You're right. Completely different vehicle. Utilize and tune what works best for your combination. Squat works well for IRS type cars but be careful to monitor how much. Shock tuning is your friend.
Great video Evan!!! I would like to see a video about the evolution of your 87.....I know you’re a busy man and a lot of that was covered in magazine articles but it would be cool to see it’s progression here on TH-cam
I love all the experts here who don't have a clue what it takes to run the times they do and still be legal. Get a rule book and a car and try it sometime.
How much duration would give you a great advantage over stock cam? 308 stays open 308 degrees of a 360 degree revolution. That's allows open air and fuel into the combustion chamber. My question is what exact duration do you want and how do you know for your specific size of engine?
Great question, in Stock Eliminator you have to deal with stock lift to you not only have big duration (over 300), but the ramp rates are insane, so the valve opens very fast to get to max lift and shuts late. This takes increased spring pressure and stiff pushrods to prevent float. The "best" duration for any engine is determined by the combination (displacement, compression, desired rpm range, induction, etc.). In NHRA Stock with the 302 HO you have limited induction and weak exhaust ports so you need lots of duration, engine blueprinting and a great set of headers to increase air velocity in and out of the engine. Hope that helps. I don't know exactly what cam Steve is running, but I ran one with over 320 degrees duration in my Stocker engine.
So the throttle body and upper and lower intake are stock or stock-ish? I'm fascinated by stock and super stock. But, rarely do I find much info on combinations and what's allowed.
I've noticed that newer cars never seem to transfer weight and pull the front wheel like they used to. Has there been some change in philosophies about how to get traction? I remember seeing pictures in magazines where they were pulling a front tire on stock SN95 Cobras with just a slick.
At this race the car was not up to par on launch as in the past. Theoretically you only want the front tires just off the ground. Any more is using energy in the wrong direction. In the faster Stockers and Super Stockers big wheelstands can catch air and slow the car's acceleration. On the other hand there are those who feel that the higher the wheelstand (up to a point) the more of the car's weight is imposed on the rear tires enhancing traction. Right Gary? This is more helpful and over comes any aerodynamic deficiencies. I like the second opinion if only because wheelstands are fun! LOL
@@madirishman1333 I always love to see wheelstands too. I'm just surprised how Fox bodies used to pull the tires so easily, but later model cars, even with a lot more power, never seem to.
great video love stock eliminator. amazing what is done to that car to make it run 11's with stock intake and valves and throttle body. love the way it lifts the front wheels too..
Matt, I've known Jerry 25 years, and I've written a story on his Z/28 for Super Chevy magazine. The 302 has indeed been apart and maximized for NHRA Stock Eliminator. In no way is that a factory original engine. Please check your information.
REVan Evan what I was told is Jerry bought the car new and with exception of trans and tuning, the cork hasn’t been popped in the motor. Even if it has been, it’s unreal how fast that car is with this cubic inches. I run a small journal 302 in my 66 Chevy II and they’re definitely very cool engines
@@mattperkins7038 those are fantastic cars and some of my favorite Chevys. In addition to writing the story, I competed against Jerry in my H/S Ford Cobra Mustang with a 302 and 5-speed. (You can see videos of the car on this channel.) Like mine, Jerry's car is fully maximized to the NHRA Stock Eliminator rules, I assure you. This means blueprinting the engine, to minimize combustion chamber, overbore on engine, using a Stocker cam (stock lift, any duration and overlap), optimized valve job, open headers, plus optimized suspension, transmission and gear ratios, etc. With all due respect, I've seen a competent driver in bone stock 302 Z/28 produce low 13s with sticky tires. There is no way you're gonna run 10s with a stock 290 hp 302. The science doesn't add up. As an example, a stock 1993 Cobra runs low 13s, maybe high 12s with slicks. This is with a factory 235 hp engine at roughly 3,350 lbs. My car (same 1993 Cobra) in NHRA Stock trim has been 10.65/123 mph. On a wheel dyno my "235 hp" engine makes 415 hp (would be estimated 450 on an engine dyno) as built for the NHRA rules. It takes 450-475 (flywheel) hp to run mid-10s in Jerry's car. Lastly, what induction and transmission are you running, I love those cars!
Help me out here. No AC, high duration cam, headers, everything is all cleaned and blueprinted up, maybe he's making 360 HP according to the calculator? Maybe not even? Do we know the HP of his motor?
Cool video nice to find your channel I met you at the track one time I had A F150 running mid elevens with less mods than the car in this video wonder if I could run that class of racing with my truck
Depends on the year, check the guide, I think 91-93f150's are in there but that's about it for years. (91-93 all ford trucks rangers/aerostars/f150's even E-150's are in the guide, wouldn't that be a rolling commercial! LOL!!
The chassis has to be set up very well. Gotta find ways to effectively transfer weight and also transfer power. My FOX pulls the front wheels. The motor in mine is pretty mild. Lots of time goes into sorting out these types of cars out.
Stockers, regardless of brand, are the coolest racecars on the planet!
Todd Boyer Would definitely agree! I come from the low end and all we knew where tricks with basic tools and a voltmeter. Proved a whole lot’
Todd Boyer, Agreed 100%! Nothing cooler than stock eliminator. 👍🏻
How do they verify that the internals are actually stock? I know nothing about racing.
they take intelligence not $$$
My '89 Fox is showroom original, from all the fasteners to the original white dot plugs. I guess that would make it 'true' stock?
What a great car and combo. This was my 36th straight US Nationals and I don’t think people realize how big this event is and to win a Wally in any stock class is a HUGE achievement.
I always have respect for a guy who does all the wrenching on his car, even the transmission!👊🙏
You sound like you think it’s difficult to build a trans.
Thank you Evan for bringing the foxbodies back into the spotlight! You are one of the O.G.s of the foxbody mustang.
You're welcome.
Why hasn’t this car made it into any of the Mustang magazines yet!? I’m tired of looking at the coyotes
It was in a magazine.. muscle mustang and fast fords..
The coyotes is what is in now the fox will always be legendary
@@davidpizzati9759 Uh, no it wasn't this car.
You sure??? It looks just like it .. even that old school accel dfi..
Mad Irishman This car showed up on plenty of magazines throughout the 90s and early 2000s..I guess you must be new and to racing if you don’t know who Steve sullivan is 🤣😂
This is what the foxbody was all about! Love it!
Fat cam duration, speed density, gears, the right converter and a guy who has done all his own R and D over the years, equals this car.
Awesome video Evan. Appreciate everything u do. I miss MMFF magazine 😢 when I was building my car back in 92 I couldn’t wait for the next new month to hit the shelves. Your a LEGEND brother!!!! 👍🏼🙏🏼
Thanks Frank.
Congratulations on that Wally Steve. Great job. One of the nicest Stockers in the country! 6700rpm on a stock long runner EFI intake- WOW!
I had an discussion with someone about reving that high. That guy didn't believe you could get e7s and intake to do it.
Evan, I’m so loving the stock eliminator and factory stock videos please keep them coming!
Will do, thanks for subscribing.
REVan Evan, Yes please do, love stock! 👍🏻
@@revanevan do you know what he had in his axle? Or was it supposed to be stock also?
@@oscarvillarreal8951 You can change gears so probably 4.86-5.14 range.
I race K/SA with an 87 Monte Carlo SS and SS/JA in a 1990 Corvette. I own an engine shop so I get to do a lot of experimentation. Im running well into the 11s (consistent 11.70s) with a 305. Ive found a combo that runs pretty hard but a new Dart Little M 305 block and custom ground cam and say bye bye to the current national record 11.65.
Great spotlight on a good dude with a well sorted and clean car. Congrats on the win steve🏎👍 Keep up the great content Evan!
Kudos to anyone who can run 11's with an intake tract that flows 160 cfm! I know a lot of the power gains is from the camshaft. But these cars are dyno testing at 300+ rwhp! The normal car guy usually has to replace the whole top end to hit 300 rwhp.
Good for you Sir, znd I thank you for the memories. I've built and raced my 90 LX Hatch for many years, 302, 5 speed. My wife at the time, said I can do whatever I wanted as long as I kept the A.C.
Boy did she regret that ha! Her first ride was her last ride, could have something to do with scraping the rear bumper leaving the line. Moral of the story, when your husband is a Engine Builder, sharing a shop with a Chassis Builder, choose your words wisely, just sayin 🇺🇸😎💪🇺🇸😎💪🇺🇸
Squeezing amazing numbers out of so many stock components, is truly next level !!
Nice reliable setup without breaking your bank account and with a little history and love ! 👍👍
Stockish 5.0's have been running 11's since the late 80's with many trunk cars turning mid 12's with solid setup (stone stock engine) and good driver.
Yeah what era do you think this guy is from?!
Steve Sullivan is my role model 'keeping it stock and hitting 11
Thats a super sweet hatch, really unique build. Love the stockers 💰
the reasons those cars are fast is tons of duration on the cam..super low gearing like 456s or lower and huge meat out back for traction...
A lot more to it than that
@@hs400 i agree there is alot of magic going on with these i respect them so much. The things he mentioned are def factors but that aint the only reasons its in the 11s.
@tel rep its a race car it dont matter what it drives like on the highway it probably never sees the highway.
5.0 or fast fords had an article long time ago about welding the stock upper intake and reworking the runners for stock classes, forgot about it until I watched this video, pretty cool. 🦊 forever.
Good luck Steve 'we will look for you racing that beauty
Wow. How did I miss this one. Another great 5.0 video on a great racer, Evan. Enjoy the channel.
Thank you!
Hell we did that in the late 90s. We even used what Crane Cams used to have which is called the fireball system used to be a piggy back on the ECU to where you could control timing and fuel. We had won the last ones and Crane Cams offered to buy it back from Jeff McBride.
Very interesting to hear some of the limitations and rules on racing in this class. I've always likes the fox body mustang's but never owned one. Cheers to your victory!
dang a wheelie and then run 11s.I dig it. I have never seen a car wheelie and run slower then low 10s and high 9s. Not knocking it I think it's cool
Check this out. Runs 12.60’s.
th-cam.com/video/Va5Z-r5eaGs/w-d-xo.html
That’s a really good time to be mostly stock, hands down to the driver very good setup.. got me thinking about doing more suspension work to mine
Awesome Stang! I have a real stock all Ford '84 GT 5 speed that runs 12:90's at 106 mph.
Congratulations Steve 👍
It’s gotta be the hat and those racing stickers that make it go 11s.
mrdrenalin69 mainly the hat.
Why did it show it get gaped in the first run tho
@@pandawillymofo6518 That was during qualifying, there are many cars in different classes running in NHRA Stock Eliminator.
Companies pay $300 per win if you use their parts.
Gotta get that contingency cash 💵
That awesome man ripping the front wheels off the ground with almost a stock motor u should be in a hot rod magazine awesome car I love its all metal body 2 u have that car figured out great car!👍👍👍👍👍🧠🤙🤙👊👊🤟🤟
Evan, you remind me of someone that showed me how to go fast in a 5.0 back in the 90's. nice job!
Rune Bekkelund holy crap, how are you?
@@revanevan all good here , thanks. still have the same number?
@@RB66_ Yes I do, give me a call.
Very cool car. Easy to work on and relatively cheap to build. Youve obviously got it dialed in after years of tnt. Have a couple questions:
1. What kind of fuel do you run (allowed)?
2. Rear suspension mods/rear gears?
3. I noticed in the video that when you started your burnout, the back of the car raised up alittle. When i launch my s550 irs car, the rear squats quite a bit. I know your suspension setup is completely different, but which is better for launching? Should i tighten up my rear suspension to prevent squatting? Id just like the opinion of an accomplished FS racer. Thx.
Most Stocker guys run VP C11, C12, C16 or C25. Looks like when he started the burnout the tires were gripping right before they broke free from the track so it loaded the suspension and lifted the rear.
You're right. Completely different vehicle. Utilize and tune what works best for your combination. Squat works well for IRS type cars but be careful to monitor how much. Shock tuning is your friend.
That is super legit man, bad ass class with a bad ass dude 🤘🏼🦊
Pulls the front wheels and runs an 11.98? Love it!!!!
Congrats on the Indy win Steve.
Oh BTW, those headers are gorgeous. I can't believe that they are homemade!
It's amazing no one here can Google rules so they can understand how a super stock car is built
Good video - thought it was my car for a second!
Great video Evan!!! I would like to see a video about the evolution of your 87.....I know you’re a busy man and a lot of that was covered in magazine articles but it would be cool to see it’s progression here on TH-cam
Thanks!
50tussin does this all the time with junkyard parts and a T5!
Heck yeah!
Rodney is the man!
Fuck yeah he does!
The guy can slam gears
Yes he does and goes a little beyond with explaing things also with the bla bla bla ending
Cool Mustang! Stock eliminator is the most interesting class in my opinion.
Congrats Sir,, way to bring home that Wally!!🥇🏆
Pretty awesome 30 plus year old technology 💪😀
I love all the experts here who don't have a clue what it takes to run the times they do and still be legal. Get a rule book and a car and try it sometime.
Some people just can’t believe that it’s possible. They have no idea.
Cam, Headers, little bump in compression ratio, slicks and gears plus a little weight reduction. Not a secret.
Love stockers and love mustangs, currently building a U/SA 79 mustang 302 2bbl as my first stocker. I thought it was Richard Dreyfuss at first! LOL!!
Very nice Mustang Steve.
Wow 11s with all the stock parts speaks volumes
Zachary Miller Hard work and dedication!
How much duration would give you a great advantage over stock cam? 308 stays open 308 degrees of a 360 degree revolution. That's allows open air and fuel into the combustion chamber. My question is what exact duration do you want and how do you know for your specific size of engine?
Great question, in Stock Eliminator you have to deal with stock lift to you not only have big duration (over 300), but the ramp rates are insane, so the valve opens very fast to get to max lift and shuts late. This takes increased spring pressure and stiff pushrods to prevent float. The "best" duration for any engine is determined by the combination (displacement, compression, desired rpm range, induction, etc.). In NHRA Stock with the 302 HO you have limited induction and weak exhaust ports so you need lots of duration, engine blueprinting and a great set of headers to increase air velocity in and out of the engine. Hope that helps. I don't know exactly what cam Steve is running, but I ran one with over 320 degrees duration in my Stocker engine.
REVan Evan Great info.
My wish built is a 306 sbf with n41 cam gt40 intake and heads in a falcon or maverick
So the throttle body and upper and lower intake are stock or stock-ish? I'm fascinated by stock and super stock. But, rarely do I find much info on combinations and what's allowed.
Very stock, I'll have more on Stock and SS to come.
Check out www.nhraracer.com/ on the Competition tab as well as www.classracerinfo.com for Stock/Super Stock class info.
He me until H.O. suspension... Cool ride and seems like a cool guy.
Congrats from a fellow Ford guy
LOVE THE FOX BODIES, SWEET.
Bring back Project Stocker!!!
It's in the works
Absolutely awesome, nice Wally!!
I’d love to go to Indy one of these years just to watch stock. 👍🏻
C&C Phx, I’m well aware of that, thanks. 👍🏻
Never knew ned beaty was into racing
I've noticed that newer cars never seem to transfer weight and pull the front wheel like they used to. Has there been some change in philosophies about how to get traction?
I remember seeing pictures in magazines where they were pulling a front tire on stock SN95 Cobras with just a slick.
At this race the car was not up to par on launch as in the past. Theoretically you only want the front tires just off the ground. Any more is using energy in the wrong direction. In the faster Stockers and Super Stockers big wheelstands can catch air and slow the car's acceleration. On the other hand there are those who feel that the higher the wheelstand (up to a point) the more of the car's weight is imposed on the rear tires enhancing traction. Right Gary? This is more helpful and over comes any aerodynamic deficiencies. I like the second opinion if only because wheelstands are fun! LOL
@@madirishman1333 I always love to see wheelstands too. I'm just surprised how Fox bodies used to pull the tires so easily, but later model cars, even with a lot more power, never seem to.
busslayer It’s not about how much power you make it’s about chassis setup. Among other things.
Fox seats are already kinda lightweight and a lot more comfy!
great video love stock eliminator. amazing what is done to that car to make it run 11's with stock intake and valves and throttle body. love the way it lifts the front wheels too..
Thank you
Great story and journey. Would love to see it in action. Congrats on a long marriage. Great wife to give up her car. Lol
It's good to see Richard Dreyfuss branching out...
3360lbs, that’s surprisingly heavy. That’s a big gentleman.
Plus I like the fact with all the restrictions for his class ends up in the front...
What hp are you at? I have a 1988 5.0 HO , stock would be 225.. I see no pullies.. upgraded Air flow.. Headers and ignition.
The guy said no porting and no polishing but they still port them.
Jerry macneish (sp) has a 67 Z28 with the original, unopened 302 in it. Runs bottom 10s
Matt, I've known Jerry 25 years, and I've written a story on his Z/28 for Super Chevy magazine. The 302 has indeed been apart and maximized for NHRA Stock Eliminator. In no way is that a factory original engine. Please check your information.
REVan Evan what I was told is Jerry bought the car new and with exception of trans and tuning, the cork hasn’t been popped in the motor. Even if it has been, it’s unreal how fast that car is with this cubic inches. I run a small journal 302 in my 66 Chevy II and they’re definitely very cool engines
@@mattperkins7038 those are fantastic cars and some of my favorite Chevys. In addition to writing the story, I competed against Jerry in my H/S Ford Cobra Mustang with a 302 and 5-speed. (You can see videos of the car on this channel.) Like mine, Jerry's car is fully maximized to the NHRA Stock Eliminator rules, I assure you. This means blueprinting the engine, to minimize combustion chamber, overbore on engine, using a Stocker cam (stock lift, any duration and overlap), optimized valve job, open headers, plus optimized suspension, transmission and gear ratios, etc. With all due respect, I've seen a competent driver in bone stock 302 Z/28 produce low 13s with sticky tires. There is no way you're gonna run 10s with a stock 290 hp 302. The science doesn't add up. As an example, a stock 1993 Cobra runs low 13s, maybe high 12s with slicks. This is with a factory 235 hp engine at roughly 3,350 lbs. My car (same 1993 Cobra) in NHRA Stock trim has been 10.65/123 mph. On a wheel dyno my "235 hp" engine makes 415 hp (would be estimated 450 on an engine dyno) as built for the NHRA rules. It takes 450-475 (flywheel) hp to run mid-10s in Jerry's car. Lastly, what induction and transmission are you running, I love those cars!
You should check out my dad's new car Evan. You put his old car in the Muscle Mustangs magazine a few years ago.
That's badass....and Speed Density! 👍
Everyone needs a Peggie and a foxbody mustang
Clean hatch🏁
"I've always been a Ford person." Me too!
THIS is what the fans want! Not fuel cars. NHRA should get its head out of its ass!
Love this!!!!
People commenting here saying this has been done in the 90s.
Unnn what era do you think this guy is from?! Lol
i know right lol
Nice ending!
A fellow Ford fan - go get ‘um tiger!
:€)
Help me out here. No AC, high duration cam, headers, everything is all cleaned and blueprinted up, maybe he's making 360 HP according to the calculator? Maybe not even? Do we know the HP of his motor?
C4 trans and slicks will do the trick
nice victory STEVE AND GREAT CAR
Anyone have any insight on what Steve May have had in this car? Seems like a economical way to race
Congrats on the Wally
Cool video nice to find your channel I met you at the track one time I had A F150 running mid elevens with less mods than the car in this video wonder if I could run that class of racing with my truck
Depends on the year, check the guide, I think 91-93f150's are in there but that's about it for years. (91-93 all ford trucks rangers/aerostars/f150's even E-150's are in the guide, wouldn't that be a rolling commercial! LOL!!
That's so cool man kinda sick of coyote swaps everywhere
Cool. Thank you for sharing.
How can I get my fox to lift wheels off ground? Is it the slicks?
The chassis has to be set up very well. Gotta find ways to effectively transfer weight and also transfer power. My FOX pulls the front wheels. The motor in mine is pretty mild. Lots of time goes into sorting out these types of cars out.
11 seconds with Just Aftermarket Stickers😎
Proceeds to get scorched! By that firebird 🤣
Man, wonder what kind of heads he has on his car? Or are they also stock?
E7TE as per the rules. No porting and stock valve sizes.
@@revanevan Wow! What he do to them to reach low 12's & high 11's? He probably changed the springs or had aluminum rockers that were 1.7's?
I'm pretty sure some have some head work and ported intake. That stock 5.0 intake can be ported very discretely.. 🤣🤣 sweet ride man
ImFromDadeCounty.223 A really good TOP SECRET valve job. No grinding in the ports. As delivered from FOMOCO.
Damn I'm bout to put gt40p and the e cam in shop and seeing this makes me think about that hella
What suspension and how high are you revving?!
I have a stock 302 5.0 V8 what does this engine crop out at?
Around 6,400
Wow! Nice 👍! Does anyone know if the axle & spline is stock to?
It might gain a 10th of it had more stickers. But it's cool as hell.
Those stickers (companies) pay $300 each when you win. They aren’t there to look cool, it’s called contingency payout.
What has been done to the motor if you don’t mind my asking
It's stock LOL, well pretty dang close!
Great video. Great car
The stickers are what make it faster than other stock cars.
Or... companies pay $300 per sticker if you use their parts and you win.
Donovan Creamer Just curious- What do you mean by that?