Is This GamerGate 2? (The Media and Sweet Baby)
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As the media defense campaign goes into overdrive... it seems to be that we are headed for round two of the "gamergate" cycle, which kicked off in the early 2010's, and has never been let go since.
With more and more industry power levels turning towards Sweet Baby Incorporated, attempting to rewrite the existing narrative, and manipulate history... its important to remember what actually happened, and properly call out this new barrage of media lies, omissions, and misrepresentations.
It looks like Gamergate 2 is upon us, because players just didnt want to buy a few trash games with bad consulting. Clearly thats not allowed.
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So homeland security wants to shut down Gamer Gate 2 , So they're using tax dollars to go after gamer gate 2 , Even though there's no real Game gate 2 Because it's just a phrase
Homeland security and the canadian government I guess are involved now
Hey echelon, I've got a recommendation for a topic to look into.
Ross Scott a gaming review and machinama channel is currently in the process of finding a way to sue Ubisoft for the upcoming shutdown of their game The Crew at the end of March. In an attempt to protect consumer rights and stop the destruction of gaming media.
You've done videos about the protection of consumer rights in the past so I believe this is right up your alley.
Ross's channel is called Accursed Farms, he's made several videos explaining his reasoning and plans on how to sue Ubisoft and is looking for advice and exposure on the subject.
Is america and canada going to have a actual war over gaming? Are they gonna put people in jail over gaming ? I mean I guess tax dollars Are being spent now I guess lol
I doubt you'll read this, or even much care. But on the slightest off chance you do,
It would be really cool to see you and Dev from ShortFatOtaku doing a stream or chatting together. Especially on the topic if games today.
There is one big difference from 2014, companies picked their side, and now they are struggling because nobody buys their crap.
Insecure white boys upset about how diverse the world is
I was going to say, games journos going for round 2 with even less relevance this time is a bold move
Let's see how it works out for them
And even if they sell millions it is not enough because the budgets are completely out of control. The big companies are so screwed.
Exactly, and this is how comparatively tiny independent studios become millionairs overnight due to their game being actually fun instead of pandering to some minute group of people.
They are not struggling because daddy Blackrock allowance pays off
Once again they are trying to say there is no conspiracy by acting in a highly conspiratorial manner. Just like they did 10 years ago.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
There are so many conspiracies, they dont even try to hide it. They brag about it.
What UE said was, "Don't give them the ammo". What I'm hearing is, "there's no hope."
TDS is gonna set in and we're in for a double/triple/quadruple down of DEI bullcrap. And this is coming from a dude who had severe TDS until 2019.
The way those articles were posted in almost unison around the same time....welp, seems GameJournoPros 2.0 is also here.
Almost like that tribe of people that apparently has no power or influence or control over you let has legislation passed to stop criticism or questioning that power. Not only that they leverage the power of all media , banks , Hollywood all against you.. 🤷🤷🤷
Same Shit, Different Day.
Don't forget how a Sweet Baby Inc employee insulted Akira Toriyama mere hours after his death was announced
One might call them a dung beetle rolling their poopy products around, yelling in jealousy at the foot of the huge solid gold pagoda that is Toriyama's legacy. Actual dung beetles might find that comparison offensive, though
@@olafthebear2327at least dung beetles are useful
@@mjetektman9313so true.
The company is staffed by spoiled, vindictive children.
Those who mock the dead have no respect for the living.
Those who do not respect life itself are not human, in my opinion. Demons come in all forms, and can even subsume human life if that person is willing to relinquish their own humanity.... in my opinion.
Oh btw they’ve admitted that A) they do all the shit gamers say they do to their games, and B) admit that they actively weaponize inclusivity to get in on projects they’ve no bussiness participating in
Yeah they've literally admitted to doing everything gamers think they do
The standard meta:
"We never (×) and it's always right and good when we do."
In US by working in McDonalds for about 10 hours you could buy 2-3 AAA games. In my country to buy this amount of games you have to work for more than a week. I don't like the results of their involvement in development of many games, so that's why this curator list is saving my money.
Sweet Baby needs to be shut down. deleted from existence
Source: Trust me bro!
The steam list is called "sweet baby inc detected" for anyone wanting to avoid their games btw.
They should expand the list of games by other "woke" companies that have already been denounced
@@Jackfromshack: The curator who created that list said it was already difficult as it is tracking which games SBI were involved with. He suggested a separate list be started by someone else.
Just followed ty
@@JackfromshackThere would be no games pretty much to play, especially with how loose "woke" is in it pretty much being whatever a very specific group doesn't like today.
how do i follow this on steam ?
I thought gamer gate was about journalists gaslighting the world into thinking gamers are evil, while actually they just said game journalists have no integrety, and it turrned out game journalist sleep with devs for blog posts.
It should have been a massive nothing burger. It certainly started with an angry ex blasting his ex gf on the internet. But then a ton of information came out about how incestuous the gaming media is. It’s kind of wild.
That generally was what most got onto it for, the 'angry ex blasting his gf on the internet' was basically the bomb. Rest was nuclear fallout.
The thing about exposing the media is that the media can just make up whatever they want to counter it if enough of them agree to do so. This will probably become GG2 just because the major -puppets- outlets have already leapt to SBI's defense, so even if it came out tomorrow that SBI is named that because its leadership literally eat babies, the media would ignore, spin, and lie to avoid admitting they were wrong.
To be fair by that definition the Gamergate had pretty much lost its value now, since AFAIK people has been clowning on mainstream game journalists even before this entire situation...
That’s what Gamergate truly was: A gamer’s revolt against the corruption in the gaming industry and journalism, only for the latter to reframe it as a “harassment campaign against our stunning and brave marginalized people in gaming industry “
Sweet Baby Inc. "Here is a list of games we have worked on."
steam user: "Here is a list of games sweet baby inc have worked on!"
Sweet Baby Inc.: "HELP! we are being harassed"
They haven't even released a true list, have they? They want to hide even themself lmao
@@alfonsjones5798 They have a list of the bigger games, they were iovolved with aka games you as a Gamer do not want do be involved with
100% well said
Yes 100%
"Victim" is a prised identity for those people...
If there's nothing nefarious going on, why are they getting mad over free publicity?
Precicely
actions speak better than words
Bc the internet is toxic and the free publicity is leading to harassment you utter genius?
@@a_lethe_ion Well, yeah. They have been doing the harassing and they're toxic as hell. That doesn't answer my question.
The fact they have to censor, gaslight, lie, and de-platform those simply shining a light on their body of work and industry influence- things a company normally desires above all else and can’t get enough of - SAYS IT ALL. 🚩
This is why game journalism is a joke
I like yongyeah though, TH-camrs do a pretty good job of reporting on games
@@honey3762Fr while anti woke creators like Endymion yellow flash the quartering geeks and gamers etc are bitch about stuff that don’t exist or isn’t a huge problem
Are bitch about stuff.... you ok? @NoshikiYT
Journalism died in 2014. Not just gaming journalism
@@NoshikiYT That's what people said about Sweet Baby, yet here we are. Nice try though.
It’s the same war, just a new battle. Many of the same players are responsible.
War never changes...wait a minute.
"war" 🤣😂🤣😂
LARPing soooooooo hard... The other side literally is made of 38 years old, upper middle class, incel women with a "journalism" degree 🤣😂🤣😂
Calm down, kid.
Same clowns under a different big top. The circus hasn't actually changed tho. Gamer gate was proven false once already.
Same shit different wrapper
Insecure white boys afraid of how diverse the world actually is
Truth is this: Wallets are closing, and no amount of manufactured fear can open them back up. Yet another group realizes too late they are not an organized religion.
No amount of words ending in -ist is going to bring the customers back
It's funny that I had the instinct to avoid these games even before this shit went down. Now I don't even need wikipedia's early life section or the steam curator lmao.
Dumbest thing is;
They put a lot of gay men in their crosshairs...like.....gaming is like the navy, gays are everywhere.
Yet....lemme just ask you lads, when was the last time gay men, yknow, evil males, especially the white ones, yknow the ones that had funtimes in german summer camp with pink triangles....yyeaaaa.....funny how that paticular segment is USED rather than represented...
What am getting at is; SBI n Co are misandrist, racist and homophobic in their output and so is games journalism.
This is the angle guys, if you want vidya journalists, fine, we already tell women how to dress, telling men where the good games are at is hardly a major shift, its a matter of taste
Oh, make no mistake, they _are_ an organized religion. It's a cult.
Or -phobe@@olafthebear2327
The only people who need "gamergate 2" are the dying "media" of the video game industry. The players sure as don't need it and we shouldn't even call it that.
Sweet baby is why Saints Row is a dead franchise and the studio shutting down. Sweet baby is why Arkham Batman was treated with absolute disrespect.
I agree tbh
And why is Insomniac facing layoffs and why Peter Parker was ruined
Wolves and mutts retrieving the dead remains of shot game but the fault lies at the masters who sent them. Investors and holding companies. Old money banks. They bought the studios they sent their dogs. Sweet baby is a pawn. Stop wasting your time attacking pawns this will never end. War never changes as long as it's the same two players moving the pieces.
They didn't work on saints row Kabarutus the guy who made the detector said that it was only mentioned on IMDB let's not put someone elses blame on them.
SBI is getting too much credit for all the things wrong with the games they're involved with. The studios that make those games are contracting SBI to work with them. The people at the studios share the beliefs of SBI and hire them only to further hone the DEI messaging so it meets modern sensitivity and inclusivity targets while representing minorities in an approved manner. If you think dissolving SBI will fix the industry I have bridge to sell you.
I have posted this elsewhere to be up front. As 57 year old female gamer here’s what I see in SBI: I see people who know nothing about gamers and gaming. I’ve been gaming since Pong started. They fail to see that all these men they hate have bought and played millions of copies of Tomb Raider, Bayonetta, Metroid, etc. Those gamers had an ability to do something SBI and the like cannot do. See the world outside of themselves. They appreciate strong characters and a well crafted story, regardless! But SBI, well if it is not about them, it’s to be destroyed. I believe that is the definition of narcissism.
Pong is a game of the imperialists! 😁
@@kingleech16 lol
If you want to understand where this destructive behavior comes from, New Discourses covers the philosophical history of Critical Theory, Postmodernism, DEI, etc. It is an inherently destructive philosophy, and they will never be happy. It is about constant upheaval and freedom from order and societal norms of any sort, even if they become the norm. It is literally only about chaos and destruction.
This lady knows wassup
NARCISSISM. YES. That's exactly what this is. People with extremely twisted self-important viewpoints and politics, and absolutely no desire to understand let alone "allow" others than their own, trying to push their way onto others.
Pretty sure they're already sending death threats to themselves.
Everybody knows they will just create alternative accounts and criticise themselves. This is their operandus mendi.
They false flagged before, they will do it again.
already tried it, with Alyssa Mercante sending herself obviously fake death threats.
It's already being done.
And again and again until we get tired of it all and relent.
We should not let that happen.
Luckily they can't force us to give them our money. No matter how crappy the games get, they can't get your money unless you want to give it to them.
Back when Gamergate was ongoing the first time around, I think it was Anita Sarkeesian who accidentally posted proof she was sending herself hate mail and calling it harassment, because she forgot to log out of her dummy Twitter account when she took a screenshot of it literally 30 seconds after it was posted.
They will absolutely and happily use the anonymity of the internet to false flag and attack themselves in order to blame those criticizing them. As for me, I don't talk to anyone on the other side, not about it anyway.
They’re angry because people noticed that they’re inserting their activism into everything. They wanted it to be done quietly and insidiously so people wouldn’t notice the slow boil.
At this point I'd suggest that part of it is just a mere side story. What REALLY got gamers upset is the targeted harassment campaign that they tried to start against the creator of that steam curator group. That group was at 9k before they attacked him. It must be close to 300k by now.
Exactly, we're frogs in the pot
It’s not their activism but it’s related to ESG and DEI policies introduced by Open Society Foundations worldwide.
@@shifty7629 269 k, just checked.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat nice!
The dystopian art committee. That's what this is. "Want to make art? You have to run it through us to make sure it meets our boring, no talent guidelines".
15:00 There's a big problem with trying to avoid giving them any ammo: they don't actually need somebody to harass them in order to paint their detractors as evil. They'll just make up incidents, or if they're daring they'll outright try and fabricate them.
They've definitely done it before. That's why Matt Christiansen's live shows ALWAYS have a Hoax Hate segment
Fabricating them is one of the very _first_ actions they take in order to get the ball rolling in their favour. They're getting out in front of what would otherwise be an absolute PR nightmare for them by creating a bunch of fake "harassment" using bots and alt accounts to plant evidence to support their claims.
Source?
@@maximedamour5192 Odd... could've sworn that I responded to this earlier today. Guess youtube is being "like that" now. Looks like I'm just going to have to save this one and keep re-posting it with small edits until the comment sticks.
#1: You can simply google hate crime hoaxes and get plenty of results. For example, Cori Bush was caught sending fake hate-mail to herself. Jussie Smollett hired a few guys to beat himself up and lie about it. A bunch of people freaked out over a hand-pull loop in a Nascar garage. Etc. and so on.
#2: The pop culture examples I gave were Vic Mignonga and the Covington Catholic School kids. Turns out, you can stand there and do absolutely nothing, and yet people will still hate you for it.
#3: For the more topical examples, I talked about the group Black Girl Gamers. Gothix has plenty of videos on that organization, but when it comes to issue of consultancy groups they effectively came out of the shadows, threw themselves onto the fire, and then proclaimed that their otherwise entirely unknown organization was receiving heaps of hate mail.
#4: I gave an example video talking about Gamergate in general. Now I will give two by the same guy. In chronological order:
/watch?v=xs69lv0UGNU
/watch?v=a9HzItANTj8
The biggest mistake that internet commentators make when talking about dealing with radical leftists is that they assume that truth is of value to those people, so if we all behave well and "be the better man," that we'll win out in the end. The truth is that radical leftists see everything as a social play for seizing power, including the notion of truth and good behavior. They lie, blatantly and without remorse, knowing that the average person isn't going to put in the effort to doubt them.
With every keystroke, these "journalists" are demonstrating exactly what GG was about from the very beginning--it was a campaign that shined a spotlight on modern journalism and how they seek to create narratives rather than report on the truth. It also showed the incestuous relationship between journalists and people in the gaming industry who align with their ideas and the narrative that they are trying to push.
I don't get how it's incestuous but it is taboo, so I'll be stealing that phrase from you
@@AMabud-lv7hy The GG movement started when a guy named Eron Joni found out that his girlfriend, Zoe Quinn, was cheating on him with 5 other dudes. One of those guys was game "journalist" Nathan Grayson, who wrote a very positive review of a "game" she wrote called, "Depression Quest." So, when people started asking questions, they circled the wagons around her and declared her a victim and portrayed her boyfriend as a viIe, vindictive misogynist. And you can see where we are today.
@@AMabud-lv7hyThen Zoe accused a game dev of s*xual misconduct, the media ran with the smear, the dev offed himself, then his sister inherited the company and used the money to fund these DEI consultancy firms. It's evil and incestuous
@@ABQSentinelLet’s also not forget Alec Holowka, who committed su1c1de due to the abuse he received from Zoe Quinn.
@@InfinityR319And because it's not complete until someone mentions it, Alec's sister used the money he made to found Sweet Baby, Inc.
Sweet Baby is the kiss of death, everyone knows it, no amount of PR can fix it- smile and laugh.
Yeah they kissed God of War right into the ground right? lmao
@@numnut154 Held up by its gameplay. Story was lackluster and New Kratos is a soyboy campared to old Kratos. All the other games they have touched have crashed and burned and now that the word is out look for that to continue.
Bunch of communists cowards ruining it for everyone who truly enjoys the hobby of video games
@@numnut154 As if some diversity consulting company was responsible for coding the enjoyable parts of god of war lmao
@@bigdswinger If you’re not going to give them credit for good games, it’s very hypocritical to blame them for bad games.
I remember the false unalive treats back in 2014.
"Be better" will do nothing to paint this as another hate movement. You're talking about people who lie to pay the bills.
When you criticize the media or those protected by the media...
Never attribute to incompetence that which is OBVIOUSLY malice.
Steam reviews is far better than any game journalism, the fact that they are trying to flip the script on what actually happened is evident of that.
well, you need to pick out the truthful reviews. as seen with 2K/Gearbox games and with CA/Creative Assembly games, they magically get thousands of single word positive reviews a week before a big (controversial) patch. so be mindful of those and they ARE the best game rating tool we currently have. ;)
Steam has repeatedly been caught deleting swathes of "problematic" reviews though.
When it's done against left wing politics, it's "review bombing", but when it's done against something they find problematic, or in favor of something left wing, Steam sees it as grass roots expression of consumer opinion.
@@jackthompson7125 Actually, it's the devs of the games themselves that determine which reviews are allowed to stay up and which are deleted, as well as labelling any review periods they want as "review bombing". The devs have _way_ too much control over what gets presented on their game pages because it lets them effectively wihtewash even the worst game by fabricating positive reviews and deleting critical ones, altering the overall score of the game.
Steam is actually very hands-off when it comes to policing on their platform, all things considered.
"Very controversial" this implies that the people are very divided, which they aint. It's more like a 98-2% split.
im just a random dude who figured out what was going on thanks to the streiszand effect. Im doing my part!
It's probably 50-45-5, with 5% on Sweet Baby Inc's side and the 45% not evening knowing what is going on
@luckyjalyt seems to be the case. I'd say the biggest controversy is with those that know about Sweet baby and see it as a bad thing but want it to be kept only at that whilst others see it as only as a small thing on the bigger picture that is part of the whole "cultural war".
Correct. I do not think we Gamers are much divided.
@@luckyjalyt that 5% are there for the money, they're called vested interests or shareholders.
The fact that media tries to bring US politics into a gaming issue, when gaming is way bigger in asia than in the USA sums it pretty much up who is right or wrong here.
It never ceases to amazes me how companies like SBI cant see that gaming is way bigger in countries that are not woke, hence why their ideas are exposed and their crappy games go broke.
If I was a CEO i would be furious if someone hired a company that caters to the smaller audience and wishes to make my game the same way, regardless of feelings.
Me when i spread misinformation on the internet while harassing someone and then try to get all my crony buddies to write articles in defense of my corrupt company
I don't think people care about media or AAA gaming at this point.
A lot still do for some reason, although PC gamers don't really because we have many more Indie options. Many of those end up on consoles, and sell well. Terraria for instance.
They can't compete anymore now that they push out games that cost $250 million, but nobody buys them. That's where all their micro-transactions came from. AAA studios treat gamers like garbage. Same as Hollywood, and gamers are more primed to beat them back, and spread the truth than the MSM and politics.
Sadly, a huge crowd of people playing games are casual gamers and kids who plays only AAA
That's what people said while they were ignoring gamergate 10 years ago. It didn't make it go away. It gave Anita Sarkeesian a platform at the UN. It led to media companies dictating corporate DEI policies, and the death of every beloved character in Hollywood. The world happens whether you care or not, and we have to live in the current DEI cesspit because of that.
It’s AAAA now lol 😂😂😂
AAA is limping on, but its support comes from people who play an hour here and there and are guaranteed to buy the next thing that comes along as well.
That type of person used to be oblivious to bad game design, but now they're running into horrifically bad games like 2042, Halo Infinite, and D4, it's starting to slow their interest in autobuying the franchises they're used to.
Even if Sweet Baby Inc is experiencing serious harassment (I doubt it): No one believes these activists and the gaming media anymore. They lied to often, everyone can see through the tried and tested victim routine.
The problem is not the activists, but the fact that the average gamer does not know who is who, continuing to sponsor propagandists.
@@Jackfromshack That’s why we spread the word in a formal manner. Let the world know how vile these people are and boycott anything they and companies like them are associated with.
Cry "wolf" enough times and nobody will belive you when the wolf does come.
@Jackfromshack the problem is that the activists are the propagandists who hold these positions of "influence" and "power" (sweet baby inc employee, game journalist)
They can't even get a curator group shut down. 10 years ago they had the power to get it shut down immediately.
I do disagree with 2 things you said, Upper.
- Kotaku are not journalists.
- Kotaku didn't implode their reputation. They haven't had one in at least 5 years
Try at least 10, they lost the little they had during the first wave of "gamergate" in 2014
Sweet Baby and others were deep into Ganergate. After that battle they went underground planning their move to take over.
This is just like the Sith and Order 66. Only it was exposed before they were ready.
I'd say the big difference between the original GamerGate and now this one is that in 2014 there were 100 different media outlets all picking the same side. In the past year or two, almost all those same media outlets that went hard on GamerGate have finally shuttered because nobody reads them anymore. Vice, Jezebel, Deadspin, and Buzzfeed News have all shuttered. Legacy media is failing and I think this whole issue is a fart in the wind in a couple of weeks because of that.
They have the US and Canada government as their backup now tho
@@JohnDoe-ug3suwon’t matter. The amount of people who were aware of the media’s corruption compared to now was a tiny fraction. They can spin things however they want to but there’s way to large of a population now pushing back against these created narratives.
@@JohnDoe-ug3su and many more people are skeptical of them, too. Now more than in 2014.
@@DanielGarcia-rx3kt To be fair, the main cause of more people attempting to vote for populist politicians back in the mid-2010s, leading to Brexit and Trump winning, was the working classes becoming sick of the false dichotomy between the neoliberals and the neoconservatives while the younger generations at the time were becoming more radicalized by far-left wing politics, not GamerGate or the SkepticsTM.
In a sense gamergate ironically works against them by showing us exactly which media outlets to not trust
These “journalists” trying to gaslight so hard…
At this point I’m ok being considered “toxic” or whatever. Hold the line!
Being called toxic, extremist or far this and that by them is literally a badge of honor nowadays.
“Unvaxxed”, “racist”, “antisemite”, are more of their favorite hits. Meanwhile they’re okay with entire wars being started on openly acknowledged lies and these “journalists” stayed silent while Julian Assange, an actual journalist, who exposed it, got locked up, lawyers spied on by cia while they planned his assassination, lies and hit pieces circled around (by them), and on and on. Just loudly pretend to have virtue while obeying ‘authority figures’ featured in corporate advertisements and they will love you, show any signs of human thought and they attack.
Bust out the popcorn and enjoy the fireworks
"It would be a shame if something happened to your game. Of course, you could hire our consulting firm and protect yourself from criticism." This grift has been know as "protection" since...forever.
I must thank sweet baby inc for 2 things.
1. For once again showing the public that jornalists and media news sites arent to be trusted.
2. For bringing me to this channel.
Not "hatefully" attacking them is definitely good. But they can simply create accounts to harass themselves with "hateful" language and get their justification that way. They already are labeling something that is not harassment as harassment. They don't need any true evidence of harassment to keep claiming or fabricating it.
Even the games they say were successful are noticeably worse than their predecessors exactly because of their work. Deaf girl in spiderman 2,black/rainbow magic in gowr,black swedish detective in aw2..
The best part of them trying to create GG2 is most the people they slandered the first time around have significantly large followings while most of theirs have fallen off.
More importantly, the general public is far less trusting of the corporate media than in 2014, for many of the same reasons. People are wising up to their tricks.
@@grifdenton5224 Facts, more and more people today now know how The Woke Mob "Do Things". 😂
@@WallNutBreaker524 Not just the woke mob, media and officials in general are honestly not to be trusted these days, independent of their "tribal affiliation".
And it's good to see that these deceptive sources are losing the trust of the people.
The other thing is that they don't control Twitter any more. They've been run over a few times by community notes, too.
@@snipermagoo Mainstreaming Community Notes is the one good thing Elon has done with Twitter (sorry "X") so far.
Behold the Internet! The only place were 2 different groups of people can argue with each other while talking about two completely different subjects. One harassment, the other Journalistic Integrity
Given the proliferation of AI and bot traffic, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that these corporate lowlifes are creating their own hate traffic to then point at and cry victim.
Precicely
"it's entirely possible" - joe rogan
Why even bother going that far when they can just fake screenshots? Actually why even go that far? Just cite "widespread harassment and death threats" and don't bother with proof, the media outlets won't ask for it, and if anyone dares ask, jusy scream oppression and victim blaming.
We live in a post truth world. Just declare victory and keep repeating the lie until it becomes reality.
“a strange game, the only winning move is not to play.”
Well, you'd have to have a chat with the gaming journos some ten-fifteen years ago. At a minimum, because the game has been running at least that long.
“We won’t buy bad games” is not harassment. Thanks for playing.
Yay, the Streisand effect strikes again! When will they learn that when you try to silence something or someone all you do is draw attention to it even more?!
Ego and entitlement mean that phenomenon will never go away
i'm cool with them not knowing about the streisand effect.... :)
"When will they learn" If they were interested in learning they wouldn't have such a bigoted view of the world and they'd have found a different line of work.
If they were capable of "learning", we wouldn't be here. Their egos and moral platitudes are off the charts when it comes to the socio-cultural spectrum.
Because trying to silence something often actually works. You don't hear about it because it got succesfully silenced.
"Streisand effect" is a rare phenomeon that sometimes occurs and gives that event widespread traction, achieving the opposite of what was attempted.
But harassment, blackmail and threats work. That's why they are still used to this extent.
Reminder: two months after GG started, there were about 1,6M, to 2M tweets surrounding it, and only about 16.000 - had "inflammatory" language. About (less than) one percent.
I remember! And the #NotYourShield hashtag, in turn, showed that GamerGate actually united many nationalities, genders and races in their disapproval of unethical journalistic conduct. Later on, a poll of the GamerGate subreddit showed that the vast majority of gators at the time, like myself, were socially liberal left-wingers.
Quite an achievement for a movement consisting of "white male misogynist right-wingers," to be neither misogynist, nor right-wing, nor particularly white or male, lol.
Gamergate 1 wasn’t even a bad thing to begin with. The games industry as it exists today came from the Anita/zoey types in 2014. Access journalism, focus on intersectionality, feminism, and monetization were starting to take hold as the main means of “progress”. We still bought the games though so now those things are 200x worse. At least this time around people are trying to curb consumer behavior which should stop it if enough people stop buying.
Your entreaty is pointless. They will simply keep harassing people until someone snaps back and then escalate retaliation until they get tired. They will then take a break and start again.
They’re elementary school bullies and no one is going to stop them from printing lies.
These are the kind of people that will manufacture the hate themself to justify whatever they do next
Only if you knew just how correct you are and how impactful that tactic has been in all sectors of the western world for the last century.
Probably quite literally. I can imagine they're scrambling to create alternate accounts on Steam at this very moment, trying to post nasty comments around to smear gamers
We've actually caught them doing it too. Forgetting to log out of their developer account before writing hateful comments to themself, then in their blind narcissistic fury, taking a picture and posting it on twitter, only after realizing their mistake. It reveals a much wider state of mind - let's assume this is going on on a massive scale to make it look like there's more hatred than there actually is.
As a consumer I welcome more information on which products i choose to purchase, which i believe was the basic role of the Steam curator group.
I'm with you 100%. I want lists like these to be the norm from now on.
It used to be the job of journalists. Now they're angry that they are being replaced, when they refuse to do their job. It is very nice that these lists exist though, 100%. Any excuse to save money is always welcome. Hopefully there's more lists being made of the companies similar to SBI soon
I just hope Sweet Baby Ray’s BBQ sauce doesn’t catch any backlash from mistaken identity.
If you dont wake up now, when you do, you'll realise everything you love is gone. Fight for what you have while you still have it, for when it's gone you'll never get it back
I have talked to quite a few people now. Basically people who aren't online don't know about Gamergate. There is no Uno Reverse trap coming. Normies have no idea what it is.
“Normies”🤓
Probably because they don’t care about it don’t blame them
@@NoshikiYT Who is blaming them? I am just pointing out that this fear of "what happened last time" is irrational. Most people don't remember or never knew what happened last time, and the same will almost certainly be true this time.
I was about to post the same. Outside the US this topic seems to be barely covered at all too, at least where I live. People I know who consider themselves "hard-core" gamers don't know about OG gamergate or this now, it's basically just me and my terminally online friends who fester in american brainrot internet culture. So no big deal when seen from the larger picture, it's one group of ideological extremists online against another. Still I'm in for the ride, lesssgo bois...
Even though I wad terminally online back then I also didn't hear about it
@@NoshikiYT aww you dont like being called a normie? Poor baby
Media and SBI start harassing a steam group creator and its members...but somehow it's gamer that are harassing them by...listing their work. FFS I want off this ride.
asteroid 2024
This is my last console generation for this exact reason. I now have evrything I could possibly WANT to play.
Just like ten years ago. And I'll paraphrase newspaper baron William Randolph Hearst: "don't pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel".
It's nigh impossible to win a public perception war vs media, eh.
Huh, looks like Hearst wasn't who said that, but it still applies.
"The phrase is cited in print from at least 1962, when it was spoken by Indiana attorney Roger Branigin. In the book My Indiana (1964) by Irving Leibowitz, the expression was credited to former Indiana Congressman Charles Bruce Brownson (1914-1988). The earliest recorded uses of the phrase come from several Indiana politicians."
@@RickAucoin Ha! Fancy seeing you here, old friend! Hope you and yours are well!
@@Asytra Heya, Asytra! The TH-cam comments, a wretched hive of scum and villainy!
Gamergate is a harrassment campaign...
...perpetrated by gaming journalists who know nothing about gaming, against their critics.
Source?
Gamergate never ended.
You can't kill idea
To these clowns apparently.
@@JackfromshackYeah. But you can decrease it. The idea, Gamers and especially shooter players is also still around. But this idea gets less and less relevant, the more time goes by. And i am pretty sure, it will also be with this case, since it´s an incredible inflated pseudo-problem. Similar as "killer-games".
Gamers always had that sort of prejudice. But the gaming community always came of on top. Why? Because we proof over time just by existing, others get to know us and get their own hands-on experience.
And actually: Many people aren´t that prejudiced as we fear - and people like these authors see them to be. I am very sure, it can´t be maintained. This topic will get increasingly irrelevant over time as the "killer game" stuff. Latter one just has a headstart of a decade.
The Gaming Community is similar to a good immune system. It can fight most negative stuff. For some it maybe takes more time. But it gets more and more efficient on fighting it (fight ideas, not people) and will very likely come on top in the end.
Just by doing what we enjoy. Speaking up against it. And finally, the reality will prove them wrong (Exeptions prove the rule though and we need to point that out enough)
People somehow forgot about the 'satanic cults' over the 80s or the metal health crisis in the 90s.
Much like the cold war, gamergate has been going on still since its inception.
It is an example of why you never get complacent
Imagine how much better the gaming sphere would have been if we were vigilant on these corpos and zombies
Youre right, but also kinda wrong. Yes, we all couldve seen this coming far earlier if we had cared to look where the smell came from. But we all know how shit some corpos are, be it journos or the gaming industry itself, but the majority of people buy their games and read their shitty articles nontheless.
Try to tell the difference between a game that is just shit because they cut corners and one that is shit because they went to bed with some ideology-peddling shitslingers.
The sad truth is that most people don't care enough to do that.
@@ebookie_meowda Exactly. Casuals keep buying the games anyways, because they dont see any problems. Otherwise we wouldve never ended up with franchises like cod or fifa or anything like that with yearly releases that are only marginally different from the last one.
Another big problem is that most of the pushback came from people who are... controversial in their attitude as a whole i guess. With how overdone woke-bashing was at a certain point, how was anyone not deep into the rabbithole supposed to take anything seriously?
Sweet Baby Inc. is like mafia : they intimidate companies to partner with them by telling them something bad could happen to them if they don't. Now they're trying to intimidate us consumers into silence, or else...
And the sweet baby delete the tweets😅
Next they open the trap card "play victim"
I love how every single time a Coporation who doesnt care about consumers tries something shady, ang gets validly critisized for it, is then labeled as a "victim" every single freaking time, every time.
its as if they dont care about consumers, who would have thought
in a lot of cases its gone beyond not caring and into actively user/consumer hostile. its insane how many companies out there seem to flat out hate the people that are ostensibly supposed to be buying their shit. in their desperate attempts to please shareholders and investors they've forgotten that those people arent where the real money comes from, its those filthy evil problematic gamers they hate so much lmao
It doesn't MATTER how "well" anyone acts. These are the same people that think saying there are 2 sexes is hate speech. They will find ANY disagreement as harassment.
not only is this all starting because of a steam group, but a steam group that complies *PUBLIC INFORMATION.*
I really do wonder how many of the trolls were plants back then. Maybe they weren't, maybe they were, but ... I would never put it past these types of people to harass themselves. It's not like there is no track record for that.
If some were plants, there is no question they will try this strategy again too. (I'm not saying all trolls were plants, unquestionably some people just f around).
And when SBI is on the receiving end of "harassment" carried out on behalf of SBI themselves? Ignorant to think such a tactic isn't being used.
I know, right. They're probably scrambling to create alts on Steam to post really nasty messages in the Detected group, to try to take it down.
That would have been cool if Trump had just been "memed" into power. But look at most older voters, who have absolutely NO idea or knowledge of internet cultute or tech. This whole thing is ridiculous.
These arguments are like... Two camps of very small minorities flinging shit at each other, while the vast majority just doesn't care.
I used to be really invested, but it's not about the subject matter anymore, hasn't been for a decade, it feels like it's about siding with your tribe and "winning", and both sides are really, really invested in the "game" so they haven't been backing down. I felt it was important when I used to engage to call out inconsistencies in people's positions, cause ultimately, I had the goal of like, trying to understand, compromise and find solutions ? But that's impossible when people argue to argue, lol. Often led me to be pegged as the opposite side by people on both sides. Lots of incentive, financial and otherwise, for creators to just rile up people too, and often, when I ask for things that support these people's positions, they will link me youtube videos or opinion pieces in the guardian.
Maybe the real Gamergate was the friends we made along the way.
No, because many who were part of GamerGate or heard about it actually split away from the center and moved toward either the far-left, the moderate right, or the alt-right, later the dissident right. Example, TJ and Mundane Matt were once part of that movement but they have since moved to the far-left by 2019.
@@1685Violin TJ?
@@1685Violin you mean the amazing atheist?
@@luisfreitas4724 Yes.
@@1685Violin
The joke
Your head
Groups that promote "equality" by trying their best to marginalise another group deserves most of what they find coming their way as more often than not what they actually mean by equality is gaining the top dog spot and control over others. The original gamers gate was a bunch of unhinged individuals who decided to use games as their battlefield, no surprise to anyone that the sequel is looking to be a lazy rehash to once again attack through a medium that they clearly don't care about protecting or improving.
You shouldn't ever try to build people up by tearing others down.
They use the term 'equity,' which _sounds_ a lot like equality but has nothing to do with treating everyone the same.
its a very Orwellian kind of equity/equality. you know, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others. straight out of animal farm lmao
They claim to be removing bias from gaming, but are extremely eager to inject their own biases
Gaming journalism is bottom of the barrel of all journalism careers
Hopefully this and the unapologetically satirical vibe of helldivers will be enough to shift industry momentum from creating cringy games with bland writing to creating awesome and intriguing games
Funny how a call for journalistic integrity is met with loud screeching from journalists. Apparently the last thing a game journalist wants is to have to be accountable for their publications, bias, and actions.
If they’re being back gamergate and more radical lies from 2014, can we bring back memes from that time to make fun of it?
Vivian James and Pepe the Frog stand at the ready.
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Five guys burgers and fries 🍟
@@Harley_Mitchelly would love to see our girl back. Wonder if modern people even know what the green and purple meant.
We must preserve and uphold the record. The reason they're writing these articles isn't for us, it's for the future, and for those so media illiterate that they won't question anything this article has to say. Vids like this are extremely important. Echelon, if you don't have a blog basically posting the script and uploading it as an article to fight back in that way as well, that would be a good way to directly compete.
I guess I'm just really tired of being bullied for a decade and being constantly called a bully.
As consumers, we act friendly to those in the industry that are our friends. We don't reward our bullies.
4:45 - I'm going to say the same thing here that I said about your Sweet Baby Inc video. It does not matter. They would do this sort of thing regardless. The very nature of mass audiences means they can usually find one crank to gin up if they want a source, assuming they ever cared, and if if they really wanted a source to gin up but didn't have one they'd just manufacture it. No amount of "being better" would have shutdown these articles. In fact in the case of gamer gate we have the benefit of hindsight: You can clearly see they started calling it a harassment campaign and a hate movement long before any sort of "harassment" ever materialized. They started labeling it a hate mob the moment there was even a modicum of criticism about what is going on.
In an environment like that you can't keep wasting your time worrying if you're going to get called a troll. You are going to be labeled as one by the MSM unless you march in lockstep with their agenda. It's the same sort of thing that happens with the main stream media and how they portray protests. A boring peaceful protest of people they dislike is a hateful white supremacist rally. A series of literal riots that set a multitude of cities of fire and killed at least 35 people and caused countless amounts of property damage because it stopped being counted after the insurance caps were reached is a "fiery but mostly peaceful protest".
What actually happens or the conduct of the people involved is irrelevant. The Cathedral will make it's pronouncement and everyone who is in that cult will repeat it like it's true ad nauseam so those who don't pay any attention will think it's true.
Exactly. Shit like what UEG said is why these people have taken every mile they have. You can't negotiate with someone who sees you as scum to be eradicated; you can only respond in kind.
Glad someone else sees it clearly. "Guise guise just be extra special nice and infinitely careful with every single word you write anywhere online. We don't want to give them ammo."
They're not going to argue from a position of good faith no matter what. This is not candyland for them, this is pvp Rust at its most ruthless and salty. They will turn anything into anything and nothing objectively matters to them except optics and spin to support their narrative. If none of us said a single tangible criticism of them or their shoddy work, they would still reveal "harassment campaigns" and "death threats" while also never providing the receipts because effff you, they ain't got no receipts, efffff you they don't got to show you no stinking receipts.
They've already got their marching orders and their narrative, they just haven't all gotten on the same page 100% yet with the fully detailed narrative, but they're already no doubt in agreement on the broader landscape and the narrative story beats they will push.
You can't argue good faith with bad faith actors who are consumed with the ideology of win at all costs, crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentation of the gamers.
The fact that those who advocate for inclusion start a smear campaign against a person just shows how morally broken they are.
Dude this is crazy. I can’t believe homeland security and our tax paying dollar is now in support of sbi
Needs to be said. They are just going to make up the threats and stuff. Either by creating alt accounts themselves to post them or just saying they are getting threatened without any evidence.
We must stop giving people who hate us money. Do not bend to the propagandists pressures.
But sweet sweet hype and fake rewards
Are you feeling marginalised Tim?
good luck not paying taxes then lol
It's actually super easy to boycott games worked on by SBI or other similar companies because the games will be bad.
Plus you save your money and time. It's a win-win all around
yea I went and looked at the steam list and never even heard of most of them aside from gotham knights that I refunded because it was a broken mess of a game that would randomly drop my FPS to like .3 for several minutes in multiplayer during a fight 8 months after launch when it was on sale. Assassins creed hasn't been good since black flag, god of war isn't good and I don't understand why people like it. It was so boring and basic. Alan Wake 2 didn't play the first one or the 2nd one because the flashlight mechanic looked annoying. Control was sweet tho but came out before this company was founded. Spider man is a game for babies. The crew motorfest looked like they copy and pasted the crew 2 in typical ubisoft fashion so didn't play that either. Not even sure why you would have a narrative in a racing game that's supposed to be focused on online team racing. Honestly I could create a narrative about a black protagonist by just using stereotypes and so many more people would relate to it and think it was progressive. People are the dumbest creatures to be gifted with written communication I swear I hope an asteroid comes and wipes us all out before we can damage the rest of the universe.
I laughed, but then I remembered Elden Ring had Type A and Type B bodies.
@@snipermagooElden Ring sucked. All games like that are dumb, it's just memorizing combat patterns and rolling on the ground constantly. It's not engaging or dynamic combat.
@@mervunit I mean I sort of agree but I'd be interested to hear what you think does provide engaging or dynamic combat.
There is no out for them anymore, IT'S OVER. People don't trust these kinds of people anymore. It's DONE.
One more thing: us being "proper" got us into this mess in the first place. We need to play their game or LOSE.
GG died down when people got too PR obsessed and tried to go fair when the opposition was fully invested in painting GG in a bad light. If you want to participate this time, the best way is to not buy the shitty games. Your money talks louder than your words. As for communication, there's no use trying to sweet talk the journos. The only message they and the bad actor companies deserve is a resonating "fuck you". Don't harass them. That's dumb. But if they try to approach you or appeal to you? "Fuck you."
There is literally no point in telling people not to harass them. Hardly anyone, if anyone at all does. Regardless, they will call all criticism harassment, and many will fake their own harassment.
To make this demand, "please don't harass them, that's dumb" is to give credit to their claims that they've received real harassment at all, which justifies them as victims.
@@jackthompson7125 That's a perfectly fair argument.
They won't talk to you or appeal to you. Why would they? The only appeal they have is to authority.
They don't believe in objective concepts or qualities, all they care about is winning and burying you. Forcing you to smile, drink the flavor-ade and say yes, 2+2= is potato, it was never 7, it was never 5, it was never , and it most certainly was never 4. And besides math isn't real and it's always only been a tool of the patriarchal hegemony oppressors.
I swear, 2024 is starting to feel like a lazy Hollywood sequel to 2016 that retreads all the story beats of the first movie. Biden is in the White House, Trump is an underdog battling the GOP establishment, Gamergate getting Trump elected again, etc. etc.
These last few years feel like some sort of trippy clip show. We had Vietnam 2, the rumblings of another World War, another global pandemic, and now Gamergate being talked about again.
I wonder if the Earth Show is going to get canceled again. Someone find that picture that Kenny took!
Born too soon to explore space.
Born too late to explore the world.
Born just in time for the AI meme war.
Ride under the flag of kekistan 🎉
The fact they have to censor, gaslight, lie, and de-platform those simply shining a light on their body of work and industry influence- things a company normally desires above all else and can’t get enough of - SAYS IT ALL. 🚩
Stop referring to these people as 'Journalists'. They are opinion/gossip columnists, they haven't broken a story or done any level of investigation in their entire careers.
Sweet Baby Inc and alike companies, Kotaku and all the useful NPCs are just the symptoms, it's BlackRock and Vanguard that fund the ESG program. That´s the elephant in the room.
And all these legit accusations in the gaming community are calling out one of the actors, not the people behind. I am very pessimistic about any significant change in the gaming studios for the better. Take a look at gamergate a few years ago, all for nothing, in fact, the agenda has only but increased in the last few years.
The studios made it crystal clear back in GamerGate that they dont give a fvck about the community, I can only pray for all of them to go bankrupt asap.
ESG has been around since the 1960s
Cope
Insecure white boys are afraid of how diverse the world is
@@NoshikiYTand America has been in Decline since the 60s
@@rudysmith1552 thanks capitalism
These organizations are dying. They cannot and must not be saved. They are corrupted at the highest level. Money is the only thing keeping them barely alive. It is imperative to not support them in any way but to also DOUBLY support any organization that comes along that goes against them. Only new, uninfected organizations will save us from the insanity we've endured the past 10 years. Stay strong gamers and let us reclaim normalcy.
well, the "Only new, uninfected organizations" you put down isn't really accurate. you just have to not buy the games that these consultants ""help"" with. Eventually the boardroom will see the trend and stop allocating money to bring them on projects
@@robrib2682 The publishers will remain but the development studios who actually make the games (and hire these consultants) will be shut down and replaced with new studios who aren't infected.
gotta keep in mind that companies like blackrock are lurking in the background with nearly unlimited funds and are willing to throw enormous piles of money (with strings attached) at anybody willing to conform to their ESG quality standards and push the narrative.
How dreadfully vexing that we must curate our tone on the displeasure of their wanting capabilities.
There's no lower form of life than a video games "journalist".
When does gamers gets on FBI watch list like concerned parents on education, protesters on corruption, independent journalists and whistle blowers on malpractice.
Here is the problem. Even if we don't give them ammo to use against us. They will simply fabricate their own ammo, disguise as one of us, post it, and then self report their own post under a different account, to the strawman the customers again. They have done this in the past.
or sometimes the same account, because of how stupid they are.
It won't change anything. Most people just bury their head in the sand and ignore how manipulative and terribly unethical media and companies like Sweet Baby really are.
I'm a black man who has been gaming since the early 90s. I hate this DEI bullshit. I just want a good product that focuses on gameplay & story. I've never cared about race or sexual orientation until it was thrown in my face every time I boot a cash grab that barely works.
Good video, bad conclusion. You've just spent 15 minutes explaining to me in part that the media was publishing articles that Sweet Baby Inc were being harassed before it was known about widespread, implying that they're making it up. People being on their best behaviour now isn't going to stop them from making further allegations of harassment, whether they be true or false.
What else do you want to do? Making it harder for them (and calmly exposing their lies and creepy manipulation) is the best you can do. And because it has sort of worked so far, their attempts are a confusing mess.
No you are missing the point. People had nothing to say to about the Steam group. Show me one place besides the original TWEET that sweet baby inc employee wrote talking about how that Steam Group was harrassing them. There are none they tried to weaponize Harassment to get the group shutdown when asked for receipts they could not provide any. So they literally brought harassment to the steam group on false charges of harassment. PLEASE make that make sense.
This is true. The only winning move is to take your money and leave. Don't support any organization who supports them. Be vocal about why. If there are more of us than them, we win. If everyone stays silent and doesn't change their spending habits, they win, even if they are 10% or less in numbers.
For some God-forsaken reason, I just imagined encountering a Sweet Baby Inc. employee in Helldivers 2 using voice chat. At first I thought that tons of players would troll them to shit, but then I realized that the vast majority of my playtime in the game has been completely non-toxic. Could you imagine how taken aback they would be at how chill and accommodating so many Helldivers 2 players can be?
"Oh, you're a new player? Awesome! I can show you the ropes in a diff1 mission if you want."
"You can sometimes find premium currency in these bunkers, but we have to buddy up and open it together. Here's how."
"I'll drop my Sickle on the ground for you if you want to try it out, I just have to die lol. [drops 500kg bomb on self]"
And the Helldivers 2 community would call such events "Babysitting."
I've heard this for years and it really feels like we have to ignore the bullies and hope they get bored and go away because the teachers that are supposed to know better won't get off their ass and stand up to childish behavior.
Dev (ShortFatOtaku) is one of the best sources of information on the history of GamerGate and how it morphed into what is happening today. I think he was a major part of it from the very beginning & still has a ton of links, references, & screenshots archived. If anyone wanted to know more about GamerGate or how Sweet Baby is connected, I would refer to him.
There's also the deepfreeze wiki that actually has historical documentation of the movement, and MentisWave who documented just how the media has lied about it, complete with links to said wiki.
His channel is great, highly recommended, it shines a light on all the craziness of the _woke clown world_
@@AJ-po6up Are you sure about that? Vee and his followers, who have similar views about individualism as Dev, are criticizing him for constantly appealing towards the center, which is rich from Vee since he was constantly criticized for using the nonsensical horseshoe theory by the dissident right. This is a case of two liberals slinging crud to each other like lemurs on who is the better liberal.
GAMER GATE 2 LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO
WE ARE SO BACK
Press F for those who lost their livelihood for us veteran gamers to retell our story of Gamer Gate. 🫡
Hold on are we bringing the band back together?
This is GamerGate 2.0, the only difference is that gamers have been through Gamergate 1.0. Forewarned is forearmed.