How do you figure? There were heads, intake and camshaft in the LS engine . The Ford engine was run with a ported stock heads, cheap intake (the Boss is the cheapest option) manifold and a set of comp cams. The price of the cylinder heads and the intake on the LS cost a hell of a lot more than the Coyote mods.
I agree totally the coyote is great but finding and building one is expensive along with the other displacement issues is the biggest problem but it’s one of the best engines built today! And one of the funnest, plus the resale is better
The problem with the coyote is the size of it. Its huge in an engine bay. Id love to see a breakdown of HP vs engine dimensions comparing pushrod to DOHC. As things go with the dyno graph id rather have the 6.0 because of the torque. More power without revving it out.m
My last car was a 2015 mustang gen2 coyote. Now I had twin 64/67 comp turbos pushing 1k hp to the wheels and didn't change a thing on the Coyote but the intake I had a 2018 stock intake because they flow so well. The coyote is a very good motor. So now I'm going to build a 6.0 and see if cost to power will make a difference.
Lol brand new Ford crate motor vs junk yard LS"s. I love fords, those coyotes are amazing,but its just too big and too expensive. LS is just the way. Curious to see how the new 5.5 liter flat plane crank DOHC vette motor does NA and then Twin turbo in zora vette
The coyote is begging to be a cool high RPM engine. I think solid phasers, GT350 heads, on a 5.0 rotating assembly, with aftermarket cams, would be a killer 8500-9400 RPM deal that lasts a long time in something like a factory 5, or a notchback fox, or maybe a 2nd gen lightning. That said, the LS and BBC have a ludicrous amount of options. For example, A bigger camshaft might mandate 15% more engine RPM. But, you can get 10% more stroke, which nets you 5% more RPM range increase, letting you keep a stronger ring and pinion. Or, potentially 85% more displacement, with 80% the operating speed, for 55% more power.
@@jamessteinbeck the Coyote fits in any rwd performance oriented Ford from the last 40 years. The only cars they don't fit well in are the early Falcon based cars from the 60's due to the shock towers.
@@TheModAddict your budget/ mentality towards cost really is what dictates your preferred build. Hemi and coyotes way out price ls and sbc in general until you step up to the bbc platform. Chevy just has more options for every budget 🤷♂️ ford can be upset but Chevy plays the field better.
I'm impressed with the average power from the Coyote engine, they really did their homework on the fancy cam timing. Got a feeling that is really difficult to tune by the backyard mechanic.
VVT allows the cam phasers to be separately controlled. So a huge cam can have much of its overlap taken out at idle and low speed. The cam profile can also be retarded or advanced. Its like having several dozen cams available on the fly and being able to advance and retard them.
@@rotaxtwin Are you familiar with any of the cam specs on the coyote side? We already identified that the 4.8 and 5.3 have 9.4:1 compression from the factory. The coyote is 11:1 stock. Each full pt of compression is 4% more to and power. So the torque curves on those 4.8 and 5.3l would be 6% more at each point or much closer to the coyote. Plus I suspect a 224 hi lift cam would rather 10:1 or greater.
@@dennisrobinson8008 no, I know nothing about the cam specs. It sure seems to be able to give it the right valve timing at all engine speeds, and the torque curve shows it. Must be a dream to drive.
@@19jody72 yes a version did in the f150 but not the one as the mustang. The one in the f150 was a detuned, lower compression set up and good for about 110k ready for a valve job
Hell yeah, they are all cool, I like the hemi too but a 6.0 4 cam could rule the world. Unfortunately looks like ford is going backwards to pushrods. Hopefully coyote sticks around
I am doing one right now 6.0 liter Brian tooley stage one turbo cam 706 heads ported high performance corvette servo gt45 ebay turbo kit aem high pressure fuel pump 80lbs injectors
I got my coyote gen 1 with Boss cams for $500 bucks. Im a Ford man why would i put a coyote in anything except a Ford. Im putting mine in a 97 Mark viii.
That's why 3v ain't so terrible. We know you can make a shit ton of power with a 1.6 or 1.65 single exhaust valve. Two exhaust valves with alot more port area kill velocity.
@@harryguy76 LS will always be the king of cheap power, but if you put the same parts on a mod motor near the same displacement and itll always have more potential.
Its all relative when I can source 4v 4.6's, 5.0 gen 1 truck engines, and even navigator engines just as cheaply as a 4.8. my local junkyard is plentiful
@@madmod all the OHC ford motors are physically large, I've got a mark VIII donor waiting to be gutted hopefully in 21 so I'm not against em at all. I am considering stuffing the 4v into a 76 Datsun 620 that was already modified for an SBC back in the late 70s. The tape measure says "maybe" Or I can go get a shitbox 4.8 and it's the same physical size as the SBC that it already accepted.
You can cannot beat the ls regardless it can go from a junk yard to a dyno without going in to the bottom end, turbos and twins it doesn't matter they are brutes in any form when upgraded. On a stand is one thing but the torque of the ls from just off idle to full throttle is the best bang for the buck, all the coyotes that I've been in needs to rev to the moon to to feel impressive to me. A pull through the gears in a ls engine reminded me of the big block days and that includes all brands, I'm not bias I've love all the windsors and Cleveland's and mopars but those ls engines naturally aspirated and turbos is a beast of a engine and if the ls was just a typical v8 do you think there would be so many Mustangs with the ls swap.
And look out how much further the Coyote revs out and carries it's torque. I used to read Rich's articles years ago in muscle mustangs and fast fords. He's been at this for a LONG time. They're both good platforms. LS cheap and easy, Coyote for screaming high end power.
A 2018+ coyote would’ve made even more power than then gen 1... more compression, direct injection, better intake manifold, etc... they’re making 500 at the crank in stock form, the 460hp ford clams is wrong 😂 I’m thinking FBO a new coyote would make 600+ on a engine dyno
I agree with all kindz of gainz peak power doesn't show how it does on the street. I have people come in all the time wanting a cam and single plane intake with yes on a dyno will show big power but a dog on the street. All are great engines though. The 5.0 does love rpm but you loose longevity with that
It's a shame that when Ford designs engines (or anything else, for that matter) they don't really ever seem to think about what hot rodders and/or the aftermarket will do with their stuff. Or the people that work on them, for that matter. And as a die hard GM guy, I've watched Ford guys make more power from similar sized engines and mods for years, but they spent almost twice the money to do so.
The coyote is a cool engine but the LS is a much more cost effective platform. Not to mention it’s physical size and weight comparison. You could build that 4.8 with I/H/C for less than the price of a stock coyote and it’ll fit in almost anything.
Pushrod engines respond better to cam upgrades than Coyotes do. A stage 3 cam in a Coyote yields maybe 30-40RWHP. In a 5.7 Hemi, a stage 3 cam yields over 100HP, though once you're into the cam, springs, pushrods, etc you're looking at $2K to cam either engine. Coyotes may have that limitation, but they still make good power and take mods well. Like others suggest, raising the CR on an LS might make it a better contender.
I'll take my hat off to the LS. It's a proven design (for 1950) The Coyote is where it's at. Yeah it's physically huge but who doesn't like to pop a hood and see a big engine? (Chrysler Hemi comes to mind) GM makes great engines, transmissions and questionable differentials. Everything else about their vehicles is garbage.
I love to pop the hood on my SUV and see my 6.2L sitting there at 160k miles of living hell knowing it is ready for more. My neighbor hates to pop his hood on his Ford because something is always wrong with his truck. Then again the Ford that sits next to my suv has never had a problem in 300k miles. Ford has it's issues, Chevy has theirs, Dodge also. Take care of your ride what ever brand and be happy about it. Ps. Chevy and their darmn rocker panels. Smh
These are all truck engines. They need to compare to a true performance LS. (LS3) is GMs flagship engine. It's sad they compare Ford Performance to GM truck engines that are meant to be work horses and not performance... Says a lot in the engineering imo that GM can compete with Ford "performance" with just the truck engines....
No way you can compare a 4.8 or even a 5.3 LS against aa Coyote because of the 4 valve heads' advantage. This is a hard comparison because apples to oranges. Coyotes also cost a lot more to mod in n/a form. This is why so many Coyote guys go straight to boost. 1 more huge advantage of an LS is you can get a lot more displacement in the same exterior size.
#FACTS. Most Coyote owners don't even attempt to mod internally. Bolt ons, thats it. Then straight to boost. I think I know only one Coyote owner thats been in the engine out of the hundreds that I know. The rest are bolt-on NA or boosted.
Put a 4 valve head on an LS engine then compare. 4 valve will usually/always breath better than 2 valve heads. Cudo’s to Ford for building the more advanced engine.
i just like comparing apples to apples so at least keep the total build cost the same to deny how cheap it is to replace the bottom end of an LS is to take away one of its greatest attributes that and accessibility and if you are denying just how awesome that coyote is you are definitely a fan boy of somebody cause that is an awesome power plant
I'm an LS guy and am not the least bit hurt by this comparison. Ford guys are the ones that should be hurt that they had to compare Truck engines to a coyote to make it a similar playing field. In all reality the comparison should have been between a coyote and an LS3...
Light best center of gravity smaller for best balance in a circuit racing i mean ford is never gona beat chevy in really life just check nazcar chevy is the most winning brand that just says it all
The 5.0 is a performance Mustang engine. The Chevy 5.3 was never a performance engine, it was a grocery getter they put in all types of cars but luckily everything Chevy builds they make performance parts for and are easily and cheaply modified. Its why Chevy is always the go to engine for hot rodders and resto mods.
@@soadous the boss intake is only good if you’re only using on a track car where your drag racing it and you stay between 6500-8000. Anything on the street is a dog and not worth it. I wouldn’t put it in my car (gen 2) even for free.
@@krtacct it would, but if you look at the average people dynos, no the super tuned 300 plus hours of tuning with all of the ports. The gt350 gives the nicest smoothest curve
Day one of asking for a war of 5.7s 5.7 LS (or small block) vs 5.7 hemi vs 351w (yes I know that's technically a 5.8) vs 5.7 toyota. You might leave out the ford motor or replace it with a 5.4l to get it more even. Edit: just had a thought, we could test a new age gt500 5.8 against all the other motors if you want to!
@@travispfannmuller7717 You say that as if a truck coyote is worlds different then the mustang engine. Fact is, if they did the same test starting with a truck coyote, they would have had the same results anyways because they used nsr cams, boss 302 intake, and longtubes. Those exhaust, cam, and intake manifold are the only difference in the power production of the two engines. As for a 6.2 trouncing it, we already have seen a non max effort coyote make similar peak power to a aftermarket headed and top end 6.0. With that in mind, the added displacement is not an end all be all in racing. The most affordable complete coyote for sale on ebay from a wrecked low milage truck is about $2,000 less than the most affordable Ls3. That means you can basically build this combo on this video for the price of a used 6.2L ls3.
@@madmod right, the only cheap ls engines are the clapped out 5.3s and 4.8s at the pick and pull, outside of this they are close to the same price, give or take.
Minor Compression difference as well. Could have left stock rect port heads and intake on the 6.0 and had very similar numbers. I respect the hell out of the coyote BTW, good friend has a big Whipple on gen 2 and it goes 9.50's. Cost though? We're in Canada, cams were over 2g's, oil pump gears, cam lock outs, etc. Dollar per mph, ls is hard to beat until the 1500hp neighborhood. At that point I'm not looking yote or ls
Did you have to run Perrier instead of dyno water through that 4 cam Formula Ooon motor? :) Have to respect those Coyote motors. Pretty stout. Great test!
Gen3 Coyote will make even more power with the higher compression, bigger valves, slightly increased engine displacement, and the intake that comes with the 2018 and up models. At that point, the Chevy camp would need a stroker motor to keep up which, obviously, becomes much more expensive.
If I was shopping for a V8 to put in one of my cars I'd rather have a Coyote than almost any LS but the entry price is too high. I have too many projects to waste my money paying unjustified premiums.
@@vinceconstanzo6657 That's why I said almost. I'd take an LS7 over a Coyote to put in my Miata for example but I'm not the guy who buys expensive engines. I buy cheap engines to swap or buy cheap vehicles with expensive engines.
@@joesredinferno1801 you don't even need to chance the cams or mod the heads on the coyote just slap a turbo on and make big power on an untouched long block.
Looking at the ls blocks that you have on here look like gen III and gen IV ls motor which years produced anywhere from early 2000s up to a 2013. So the tech is older than the coyote which came out couple years before the lt motor. There is also a lot more aftermarket parts for the ls compared to the coyote, in addition almost all ls parts are interchangeable with each other
@@johnparrish9215 I've built both. The coyote is more expensive but it's not that much more expensive. And as you start going higher and higher in hp the price starts to even out. All racing engines are expensive.
@@nickmyers3681 all junkyard engines are around that price 😑. There's a reason they DON'T test PI head swapped 5.4's. That cr bump makes things so much more interesting. interesting.
@@smackledorfmcsween not all junkyards at all. I’ve seen ls motors go for several hundreds at yards. Best place to find these motors is guys who give up the passion. 🤷♂️they’re out there. The junkyards got too much fame and now try to hold a premium. Or at least some do I mean it is their buisness after all
@@darrenmcfeaters6683 Windsor’s are great motors but get slept on for 7.3s and for some ungodly reason pushrod 302s. I have a roomate who did this for example wants 400 wheel hp in an sn95. He “likes” the 302 yet knows they split. I tried explaining why 351w is a better option but 🤷♂️ still wants to go 302. So it doesnt surprise me you got it that cheap.
I love fords and coyotes but don't spout lies. If your dyno did in fact say that it's waaaayyy high. You're in the upper 400s on its best day. You can get up to 520-530 with cams and cj maybe.
It all boils down to how much air it can move. Charge pressure, displacement, and rev potential all increase power in similar ways. Bump up any of those, and an engine is going to make more power.
They can make quite a bit of power in na form with the right combo. They can rev to 8k or more out of the box pretty reliablely the oil pump gears are the weakest link and is advised to upgrade those if spinning to 8k alot although many have done it for a long time with no issues with the stock stuff.
Saw an article from Hotrod network several years back with a junkyard 4.6 2v with a turbo make 600hp for less than $2300 all in. Love the coyote, but I'll stay with the 4.6. Edit: www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1105-592hp-46l-2v-motor-for-2298/
Roadkills old wore out 5.0 Ford with a junkyard turbo was doing that for even less - Rotsun build with a power stroke turbo. If you have fab and tuning skills could probably do all that for a grand or less.
Expected. But dollar for dollar. The Coyote engine is expensive right out of the gate. What about reliability? I wonder what a North Star engine could do if it was supported with good upgrades, Hmmm?
Interesting Vid, however, you are comparing Apples to Oranges. The coyote engine was built for the Mustang first, while you are using GM TRUCK ENGINES. Yes you have mentioned that. There are also builds of a TRUCK LS 5.3 (with mods similar to these stated) that got 501HP & 452ft/lb.(TFS DenX 205 Heads - Comp XR281 571/573 228/230 dur 112LSA - FAST LSXR) Closer still. A CRITICAL difference is that these TRUCK engines are meant for low end torque, where it is needed in every day use, they are not screamers unlike the Coyote. Ford's Coyote is an excellent engine, no argument from me, just not a particularly fair comparison. While the Ford is just short of a RACE TYPE engine it is also made out of aluminum, the GM's are iron. Then there is also the LS1/LS6 5.7L & w/ some mods (within these parameters) makes 525HP & 480ft/lbs, right in the ballpark of the 5.0 Coyote. For the TRUCK Engine, there is a 6.2L (TFS GenX 255LS SpeedMaster Intake & Comp Cams 624/590 232/2480) making roughly 610HP & 535ft/lbs. Again not knocking Ford or GM, just trying to compare APPLES to APPLES. I give FORD a 10 for Originality on taking a different approach to meeting the competition. Any 4 valve is tough to beat, add to it a Flat Plane Crank and it's tougher still. This is most likely a reason GM will introduce a Flat Plane in it's next Z, with a rumor has it at 5.5L displacement, making a direct comparison even easier. Thanks again, interesting work. You can't go wrong with any of todays performance engines, even the TRUCK Engines, the Aftermarket has stepped up their game and only made them better.
Not anymore. The Coyote swap is just a couple hundred more. And it continues to drop. My Bud owns a garage that does these all the time. Just spoke to him. He had 4 swaps in his shop. Two LS and 2 Coy. He is a Chevy guy, and readily admits the Coy is the better bullet. And with the prices now comparable, most are following his recommendation to go with the Coyote. And by the way he owns and races a BBC-Mustang. That is to be converted to the Coyote? Why, more potential. Coyote class, sealed engine 3200 pounds. There are more and more guys running in the 9's with these stock sealed engines. The performance, reliability, and potential are with the Ford. It is a better design mechanically.
@@hdvictoryford5329 look there someone who talks facts and don't just repeat the same outdated talk everyone on the internet says. The coyote is clearly the better engine and when gm guys realize this they immediately bring up cost but that is the only thing they can grab ahold of...unfortunately for them coyotes are becoming more available and prices are going down. All coyotes don't cost 7500 bucks anymore like in the beginning.
LMR.com Stock 2018 10spd Mustang GT Wheel Horsepower Dyno Results= 460HP at Crank 415 Horsepower 397 Torque to the wheels. Camaro SS 6.2 has ONLY 455 horsepower at crank 409hp+439ft TQ at the wheels. Think about it. The Ford has the smallest MOST powerful per cubic inch N/A V8. If they could get the body weight of the car down noone else would stand a chance. Dodges closer sized Hemi 5.7 liter has almost 100 hp less at 375hp at crank. The Scatpack has the 6.4L with 475hp at the crank. Chevy doesn't have an engine near the same cubic inch/liter size that comes within a mile either. Why's dodge and chevys engines so much weaker per cubic inch or liter. Prove me wrong. There's no other N/A American V8 that comes close. None. Fords 5.0 is the most UNDERATED engine America has BAR NONE! And don't even get me started on the 10 speed tranny. Ford is at the top of the TOTEM POLE per cubic inch, FOR MUSCLE CARS FOLKS.
The heads cam intake 6.0 ls made more power everywhere!!!! And thats still a budget truck block against a top dollar ford coyote!! Use a ls3 or another comparable ls and will see then but the coyote is a beast none the less and id love to own and boost one but wayyyy outta budget very impressive motor just would like to see the more premium ls’s put against it 🤷♂️
I have owned all 3, Chev, Dodge and Ford. I am not product faithful; I buy what attracts me. But I will say without hesitation that the Coyote engine is very impressive, when it takes an engine a full litre larger ( 302 cu in vs 364 cu in) to compare. I would love to put a coyote in my 1948 Ford F47 truck project. Stay safe everyone.
I know its 2 years later but I have to point out your flawed outlook for anyone running across your comment. Just the trick flow heads on that 6.0 are $2000 alone and the LSX intake is over $1000. After everything is said and done, dollar for dollar the LS isn't much cheaper. The Coyote ran OEM everything other than a very mild camshaft. You shouldn't be very proud lol
So a new Coyote crate motor with CnC heads and cams and intake, 14-15k, a Junk Yard 6.0 with Heads and cam, 5-6k.. plus you have the size... Im really wanting to see the 7.3 Godzilla motor.. once the after market gets caught up.. THEN we will have something you compare. Imagine a 7.3 Godzilla Junk Yard with heads and cam..
Building an l83 for my 94 firebird formula mated to a t56 mansmission lt1 intake Lt headers stage 4 btr cam 4.10s in the rear I'm sure it'll make a decent amount over 400 at the wheels
I would like to see the latest coyote vs a ls3 or ls7. Truck 4.8, 5.3, 6.2 don't have a lot of compression. The ls3 and ls7 are both over 11:1 compression
This is the 1st gen Coyote but remember these are truck LS engines so compression on the 4.8 and 5.3 are most likely 9.5 to 1 and even the truck 6.0 l do not think is over 10.0 to 1 a LS2 would have 10.9 to 1 stock compression ratio and 10.7 to 1 for a stock LS3 this small increase in compression is worth 20-30 horsepower the 5.0 Coyote is at least 11.0 to one
Some of the words you use confuse me: "completely fair comparison"? - a new crate motor as a 'base' for the coyote - against - - a wrecking yard motor(s) for the LS's "Marketplace competitors"? - a 'generation' NEW engine - against - an engine (series) that was introduced in 1996? (and on it's way toward being superceded by the time the Coyote was introduced? Two decades of R&D later? I understand if the purpose of your comparison is to try to get people to do "coyote swaps" at the same rate/same enthusiasm as the "LS Swaps" did 20+ years ago? Obviously, COST is still the primary reason keeping these engines out of the "marketplace competitors" category. Perhaps an engine out of an Indy car would be a better comparison to the coyote - as far and fair as this "completely fair comparison" goes?? Even though we are all impressed with what the coyote can do, even Ford isn't completely sold on using 4 overhead cams - for cost? Dependability/longevity?? (never a strong point of the Dearborn-based manufacturer)_ The 7.3 liter truck motor that was recently introduced has none of that "new technology" stuff. (Which isn't really all that new. There were 'multiple overhead cam' engines as far back as World War II.)
Really?? the expense? you get what you pay for... go to a junkyard and you will get JUNK! or GM same thing... and now look at the Godzilla motor 7.3... Beast..!!!
Speaking of rare Ford motors and high potential, whatever happened to the Ford 6.2 SOHC truck motor, first used in the 2010 Raptor XT? I see a lot of excitement in the motor-head press, but nothing that looks like a full supporting plan by Ford. It seems like the potential is huge with its 4.53" bore spacing.
Its time to test the Ford 6.2 sohc. The big valve 2v heads flow fantastic and the F series trucks are showing up in junkyards more often. Now that the 7.3 is out, tons of old 6.2s will flood the market.
That 6.2 needs a forged crankshaft option and it would be an endless destroyer under boost... Jesus Christ that would make absolute hell on earth . Those gnarly ports on the heads are ridiculous! Ported almost 400 cfm . Wtf thats nuts
@@luciankristov6436 Stock Ford 6.2 crank is forged steel in all applications. Cores are available for just over $200 brand new oem. These 6.2L will get more popular. I guarantee it.
The Coyote swap is just a couple hundred more than the LS. And it continues to drop. My Bud owns a garage that does these all the time. Just spoke to him. He had 4 swaps in his shop. Two LS and 2 Coy. He is a Chevy guy, and readily admits the Coy is the better bullet. And with the prices now comparable, most are following his recommendation to go with the Coyote. And by the way he owns and races a BBC-Mustang. That is to be converted to the Coyote? Why, more potential. Coyote class, sealed engine 3200 pounds. There are more and more guys running in the 9's with these stock sealed engines. The performance, reliability, and potential are with the Ford. It is a better design mechanically.
One thing to keep in mind with Coyotes is that the people modifying them typically aren’t doing so with a mind of keeping them NA. They’re being modified for boost. As such, putting in cams and porting the heads doesn’t start showing significant gains until you get to big boy power, I.e. well over 1k whp. And more than a few Gen 3 Coyotes have seen up to 1100 whp on stock bottom ends w only springs added to the heads.
This is true but if your going to mod to different designed motors anyways like he did then obviously it shows that the ls is superior through 70% of the power band and shows a higher tq curve and hp gain modded than the coyote na of course. Yes maybe the coyote can rev high making up the difference from displacement but who really cares when I can make a much bigger displacement then even a weak ass 6.0 l. In fact the only way the coyote can win is in a higher roll race or a top speed 2 mile on boost vs a ls with big displacement modded with all the same goodies for much less and better tq range and power curve did you look at that shaky ass power curve the coyote was putting out and it’s not just that one either I’ve scene many with that same curve. Sure for a stock running block bottom end on boost alone to mod with boost yeah coyote all the way but if done right for drag racing digs and even roll racing in the lower rolls the ls all day I would even say it’s better for road racing as the corvette and Camaro have set many records in the past on many tracks not saying Ford hasn’t either but seems like a better all around choice that’s a better bang for the buck.
@@joshreynolds729 hahahahahaha Thanks for the laugh. As usual it takes GM more displacement to match the power of a Ford motor. As usual a GM fanboi comes along to spew nonsense about how superior the GM motor is. Some things never change.
@@rreno496 As usual it takes Ford 4 times the cams, 32 valves, and hybrid injection to compete with a pushrod engine, peak power is only impressive to number chasers, have fun with your overpriced pile of garbage.
I think its funny how you are using a gen 1 coyote and comparing it with pretty much ls truck motors, if I remember correctly the 4.8,5.3 and possibly the 6.0 ly engine is all cast iron. Compare them with the motors that are in the rival cars, get the camaros, corvettes and the gto's. The chargers and challengers. Get those motors and stack them up against each other. I can tell you my 06 GTO with K&N intake, full exhaust and tune smokes the gen 1 stangs and keeps up really well and have beaten on a few occasions the new ones. Just throwing that out there.
A turbo version coyote can produce 1400 hp before it blows to bits. The ls6 with turbos sanvproduxe 1560 hp before it blows. I guess it's just the stouter crank maybe or thicker steel. Not sure. So it should bE able to take up to 1000 with no problems
It's hard to argue against the LS platform. I'm a Ford guy then a Chevy close second. I've got a 2009 Mustang and I've considered an LS swap over modding the 4.6 3v that is going to require to be "built" if I get over 500 torque to the wheels. The LS is cheap to pick up and mod. Blow it? Go get another at the junk yard. It just is a better platform.
Stupid, but I don’t like the sound of an LS engine compared to a Coyote or a SBF Windsor. That alone detracts me from wanting to change platforms. 🤷🏻♂️
If you are going to do cams, heads and intake manifold on a coyote, why not just start with a junkyard truck motor? I think the biggest difference for the mustang is cams anyway. The main problem with the gen 1 coyote is weak intake valves. Make sure you upgrade the valves to quality ones, if you are going to run the motor hard.
People talking smack about the yote , not realizing it's ran 5.8's @ over 250mph in the 1320 and there is no such thing as aftermarket heads for them .
@@joelstockton9955 those Ford 4v heads have some serious capabilities to make that kind of power don't they . The yote has a lot of potential ! That's the point .
5.0 is dohc Ls truck Motors are single in block cammed, for using a lot less and still being used in today’s project’s it definitely preaches power per dollar , availability vs buying an expensive expensive motor you won’t get around to finding or source parts for
All I know. Is my 5.7 ls with a cam and exhaust. I'm over 500hp and only about 750$ in to it in parts. Coyotes need a second mortgageon your house to make power compared to LS . And I have no problems with the coyote mustangs. None at all. 04 gto handing down that smack
I have to disagree. I have the LY6 in my Silverado. BTR stage 2 cam, 823 heads, 78mm turbo, meth injection, stock truck intake, stock bottom end. Its an animal. Tuned at 715hp and cant blow it up.lol.
and the BIG difference is the coyote will not live long and blow after spinning like that after average runs $$$ , while the 6.0 LS will keep on ticking.
I’m going coyote all day every day!!! The stock bottom end is handling some crazy power. I’ve seen so many stock bottom end stock heads and cams coyote mustangs running in the 8s with 1000whp to 1100whp. But they have that stock bottom end with built factory 10r80 running 7.6 in the 1/4 mile in a 18+ mustang which is not light.
Gen2 coyotes can make that much power. Gen1 not so much. But yeah the 18+ are heavy af and capable of running low low 8s and high 7s in the quarter mile, with factory sealed engines and transmission.
that coyote blew the doors off that push rod junk yea the coyote cost more but you get alot more to start with, by the time you spend all the money on LS to match it the cost of the LS is way up also but the driveiblity will not match the coyote, plus a 6.0 will cost more than a 5.3
Lets be fair. Old junk yard truck engines maybe older then ten years old. Against a ford create engine that only done dyno pulls that was was planed for a performance car. It would be fair to take a performance engine similar in size and compare no matter the make. Again a create engine. At lease a complete rebuild of the lower end so you have good ring sealing and head sealing at full song.
Not sure why he's testing a hardcore performance engine against truck engines. Where's the LS3? Every one I've built has made way more power than this coyote. Just because Chevy uses 6.2 liters, what difference does it make? Power is power. Oh, this was to show how "efficient" the Ford is...got it. I'll stick with being able to change cams without pulling the intake over my lunch break, and having unlimited options for cams, heads and every other part that you can basically get anywhere. Never changed 4 cams before, but it looks like a real pain in the ass. Jesus H those cam phasers and the chain, holy shit.
@@OxBlitzkriegxO Classes? I've heard about that bs for years. No one is dealing with class limits. Line up and fucking race. 6 liter coyote??? While we're dreaming of things that will never exist, I'd say a 30 liter LS would better any coyote. Pound for pound, Chevy will always make more power, cheaper and more economically than any other design, and do it without exotic one off parts. That's why they are so prolific, and that's the point.
@@bigblocklawyer this video literally shows that the coyote with less displacement makes more power. He gave the 6.0 an advantage by changing out the heads even. And that mustang coyote is no hard core performance engine only differences between it and the f150 engine is intake cams, .5 difference in compression and exhaust manifolds.
As much as i'd love to see a 6l Coyote, it will never happen. The Coyote is most likely the last advancement from Ford for the V8. We're probably 10 years out from 90% of new cars being electric.
Ford did just come out with a new 7.3L in-block-cam V8 for the 2020 superduty's that are built like crazy. Shops have boosted them up to ~1200hp fully stock (granted they only did two engine dyno hits at that power level so god only knows how long it'll actually hold that power). It is a brand new engine though so who knows. And electric vehicles definitely will take over, but those damn things are quick with 100% torque @0rpm
The problem is the bore spacing is shared by the 4.6/5.4 mod motor which limits bore size and ultimately displacement which richard touched on at the end.
You’ve gotta love the HP/Liter produced by the Coyote. Then again you’ve gotta love the HP/Dollar of the LS.
How do you figure? There were heads, intake and camshaft in the LS engine . The Ford engine was run with a ported stock heads, cheap intake (the Boss is the cheapest option) manifold and a set of comp cams. The price of the cylinder heads and the intake on the LS cost a hell of a lot more than the Coyote mods.
@@jameshenson4871 find cams for a coyote under 1k...
@@milviodeleon4421 exactly you can turbo a ls for the price of a coyote cam swap.
@@nintendogamer5472 or you can turbo the Coyote and not change the cams.
@@milviodeleon4421 well you are paying for 4 cams not just one.
I agree totally the coyote is great but finding and building one is expensive along with the other displacement issues is the biggest problem but it’s one of the best engines built today! And one of the funnest, plus the resale is better
The problem with the coyote is the size of it. Its huge in an engine bay. Id love to see a breakdown of HP vs engine dimensions comparing pushrod to DOHC.
As things go with the dyno graph id rather have the 6.0 because of the torque. More power without revving it out.m
My last car was a 2015 mustang gen2 coyote. Now I had twin 64/67 comp turbos pushing 1k hp to the wheels and didn't change a thing on the Coyote but the intake I had a 2018 stock intake because they flow so well. The coyote is a very good motor. So now I'm going to build a 6.0 and see if cost to power will make a difference.
I think the fact that it's small boar makes it utilize air flow better for low-end torque.
That's ok because soon you will be able to go to the junkyard and get a 7.3 and it appears those are going to decimate all 😂
It’ll take 10 years before they make it to the cheap yards though.
Lol brand new Ford crate motor vs junk yard LS"s. I love fords, those coyotes are amazing,but its just too big and too expensive. LS is just the way. Curious to see how the new 5.5 liter flat plane crank DOHC vette motor does NA and then Twin turbo in zora vette
For most people the LS is hard to beat due to cost, simplicity and availability. The coyote is a cool engine though if you can afford to build one.
Gen 3 mustangs are going 7's with unopened factory blocks.
Exactly!
The coyote is begging to be a cool high RPM engine. I think solid phasers, GT350 heads, on a 5.0 rotating assembly, with aftermarket cams, would be a killer 8500-9400 RPM deal that lasts a long time in something like a factory 5, or a notchback fox, or maybe a 2nd gen lightning.
That said, the LS and BBC have a ludicrous amount of options. For example, A bigger camshaft might mandate 15% more engine RPM. But, you can get 10% more stroke, which nets you 5% more RPM range increase, letting you keep a stronger ring and pinion. Or, potentially 85% more displacement, with 80% the operating speed, for 55% more power.
And if you can fit it in your vehicle without losing g your mind.
@@jamessteinbeck the Coyote fits in any rwd performance oriented Ford from the last 40 years. The only cars they don't fit well in are the early Falcon based cars from the 60's due to the shock towers.
This comment section should be great 😂. I just like the fact that whether you're a chevy guy or ford guy you have badass options with these platforms
Its a pretty great time to be a car enthusiast. Every camp has a great option.
@@TheModAddict your budget/ mentality towards cost really is what dictates your preferred build. Hemi and coyotes way out price ls and sbc in general until you step up to the bbc platform. Chevy just has more options for every budget 🤷♂️ ford can be upset but Chevy plays the field better.
@@nickmyers3681 uhh..ok.
@@nickmyers3681 chevy aftermarket support is larger as well.
@@TheModAddict I agree. I don't know why everyone argues. Build what you want and don't worry about what someone else does
I'm impressed with the average power from the Coyote engine, they really did their homework on the fancy cam timing. Got a feeling that is really difficult to tune by the backyard mechanic.
It's getting easier as the aftermarket figures out vvt.
VVT allows the cam phasers to be separately controlled. So a huge cam can have much of its overlap taken out at idle and low speed. The cam profile can also be retarded or advanced. Its like having several dozen cams available on the fly and being able to advance and retard them.
@@dennisrobinson8008 Exactly. Thus my enthusiasm!
@@rotaxtwin Are you familiar with any of the cam specs on the coyote side? We already identified that the 4.8 and 5.3 have 9.4:1 compression from the factory. The coyote is 11:1 stock. Each full pt of compression is 4% more to and power. So the torque curves on those 4.8 and 5.3l would be 6% more at each point or much closer to the coyote. Plus I suspect a 224 hi lift cam would rather 10:1 or greater.
@@dennisrobinson8008 no, I know nothing about the cam specs. It sure seems to be able to give it the right valve timing at all engine speeds, and the torque curve shows it. Must be a dream to drive.
Why compare a performance 5.0 car engine to truck engines? Why not compare it to a ls1,ls2,ls3,ls6,ls7
They came in trucks too
@@19jody72 yes a version did in the f150 but not the one as the mustang. The one in the f150 was a detuned, lower compression set up and good for about 110k ready for a valve job
When you change h/c/I that's exactly what you're making
The v8 in the mustang has been in the trucks...... different intake cam wow
6.2 ls3 are used in trucks
I bet if you rev that Coyote past 8k with a cj and a monoblade tb, it would make 600hp
A gen 3 coyote would definitely do that
A big cam ls3 with an upgraded intake make 600hp and that came out in 2008
@@Ws6Ms I run a stock coyote I did do oil/ crank gears.
I am putting down
1xxx +rwhp 825 Tq.
Let see you get that out of a stock LS. 😅😅
@katkilr7685 that's boosted tho.. were talking na power here
Tech vs displacement. Both good..
Now imagine tech and displacement 🤔
@@AnthonySvt_ new 6.2s?
@@sirfer69 SOHC 6.2, LT 6.2 or HEMI 6.2? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hell yeah, they are all cool, I like the hemi too but a 6.0 4 cam could rule the world. Unfortunately looks like ford is going backwards to pushrods. Hopefully coyote sticks around
I’d love to see that 6.0 LS in a Government auction Colorado with a 5 speed.
Check out tommyfyeah
Check out sloppy mechanics
I am doing one right now 6.0 liter Brian tooley stage one turbo cam 706 heads ported high performance corvette servo gt45 ebay turbo kit aem high pressure fuel pump 80lbs injectors
I got my coyote gen 1 with Boss cams for $500 bucks. Im a Ford man why would i put a coyote in anything except a Ford. Im putting mine in a 97 Mark viii.
We're planning an LSX swap in a '10 Panther P71 Vic.
Your mark is gonna be awesome.
@@joeethereal2968 🤔 that has what to do with the op again? J.H.C😭 you chevy people are the Honda guys of muscle cars.🤣🤣🤣
I have one in a 95 thunderbird best thing ever
I have a 95 Tbrd also lowered ported polished PI heads Ron Anderson na cams
Most people will go LS or 350SBC or if you're Ford, you'll go 5.0 or 351w mainly because of budget. Anything else will cost thousands.
Im doing my first modular ford build and when im done i will never build another one again ill just swap to small block ford. SOOOOOOO much cheaper
@@bearfoot25 Dude, I feel your pain... MMR sure getting rich though
There are those who will go with 302,305,327 SBC. Even 265
@@shadowopsairman1583 early 327...
Weird you spelled bbc wrong
One advantage of the later coyote is the exhaust ports. They are 1.5" round. Makes for much better scavenging than the drainpipe of the early ones
That's why 3v ain't so terrible. We know you can make a shit ton of power with a 1.6 or 1.65 single exhaust valve. Two exhaust valves with alot more port area kill velocity.
@@dennisrobinson8008 modular motors were dominating engine masters until rule changes happened...
@@skippy2987 no they didn't.....not on power. The 4th place ls made more power than the top 3 highly customized mod motors.
When you start to consider dollars and pounds and inches it's hard to argue against a junkyard 4.8
Which is why LS are so popular...compact, lightweight,cheap, plentiful with lots of potential...
@@harryguy76 LS will always be the king of cheap power, but if you put the same parts on a mod motor near the same displacement and itll always have more potential.
Its all relative when I can source 4v 4.6's, 5.0 gen 1 truck engines, and even navigator engines just as cheaply as a 4.8. my local junkyard is plentiful
@@madmod all the OHC ford motors are physically large, I've got a mark VIII donor waiting to be gutted hopefully in 21 so I'm not against em at all.
I am considering stuffing the 4v into a 76 Datsun 620 that was already modified for an SBC back in the late 70s. The tape measure says "maybe"
Or I can go get a shitbox 4.8 and it's the same physical size as the SBC that it already accepted.
@@thegalli They are light for as huge as they are though. Hell a triton v10 is only 630lbs. Thats only 100lbs more than a lq4.
You can cannot beat the ls regardless it can go from a junk yard to a dyno without going in to the bottom end, turbos and twins it doesn't matter they are brutes in any form when upgraded. On a stand is one thing but the torque of the ls from just off idle to full throttle is the best bang for the buck, all the coyotes that I've been in needs to rev to the moon to to feel impressive to me. A pull through the gears in a ls engine reminded me of the big block days and that includes all brands, I'm not bias I've love all the windsors and Cleveland's and mopars but those ls engines naturally aspirated and turbos is a beast of a engine and if the ls was just a typical v8 do you think there would be so many Mustangs with the ls swap.
Peak numbers don’t tell the whole story. Look how much sooner the 6.0 makes power and carries it throughout
And look out how much further the Coyote revs out and carries it's torque. I used to read Rich's articles years ago in muscle mustangs and fast fords. He's been at this for a LONG time. They're both good platforms. LS cheap and easy, Coyote for screaming high end power.
6.2 for the win!
A 2018+ coyote would’ve made even more power than then gen 1... more compression, direct injection, better intake manifold, etc... they’re making 500 at the crank in stock form, the 460hp ford clams is wrong 😂 I’m thinking FBO a new coyote would make 600+ on a engine dyno
I agree with all kindz of gainz peak power doesn't show how it does on the street. I have people come in all the time wanting a cam and single plane intake with yes on a dyno will show big power but a dog on the street. All are great engines though. The 5.0 does love rpm but you loose longevity with that
@@Texas_Road_Warrior easily
You can also compare the new LT variants with the coyote
You need to start throwing some Gen III's in there.
Thank you
I was just thinking a 2018+ 5.0 would’ve made way motor power than the gen 1
It's a shame that when Ford designs engines (or anything else, for that matter) they don't really ever seem to think about what hot rodders and/or the aftermarket will do with their stuff. Or the people that work on them, for that matter. And as a die hard GM guy, I've watched Ford guys make more power from similar sized engines and mods for years, but they spent almost twice the money to do so.
@@justinkeckhaver8199 Sometimes it's not just about doing it for less. Anyone can mod a small block chevy. Some like a challenge.
@@sherylellingson3538 “sometimes” but the majority of everyone into this don’t have $20,000 laying around or they have a tight budget to work with.
The coyote is a cool engine but the LS is a much more cost effective platform. Not to mention it’s physical size and weight comparison.
You could build that 4.8 with I/H/C for less than the price of a stock coyote and it’ll fit in almost anything.
Pushrod engines respond better to cam upgrades than Coyotes do. A stage 3 cam in a Coyote yields maybe 30-40RWHP. In a 5.7 Hemi, a stage 3 cam yields over 100HP, though once you're into the cam, springs, pushrods, etc you're looking at $2K to cam either engine. Coyotes may have that limitation, but they still make good power and take mods well. Like others suggest, raising the CR on an LS might make it a better contender.
I'll take my hat off to the LS. It's a proven design (for 1950) The Coyote is where it's at. Yeah it's physically huge but who doesn't like to pop a hood and see a big engine? (Chrysler Hemi comes to mind) GM makes great engines, transmissions and questionable differentials. Everything else about their vehicles is garbage.
Ehhh some gm trans were complete dogshit. The diffs are trash compared to ford aswell. I do love the engines tho
I love to pop the hood on my SUV and see my 6.2L sitting there at 160k miles of living hell knowing it is ready for more. My neighbor hates to pop his hood on his Ford because something is always wrong with his truck. Then again the Ford that sits next to my suv has never had a problem in 300k miles.
Ford has it's issues, Chevy has theirs, Dodge also. Take care of your ride what ever brand and be happy about it.
Ps. Chevy and their darmn rocker panels. Smh
These are all truck engines.
They need to compare to a true performance LS. (LS3) is GMs flagship engine. It's sad they compare Ford Performance to GM truck engines that are meant to be work horses and not performance...
Says a lot in the engineering imo that GM can compete with Ford "performance" with just the truck engines....
No way you can compare a 4.8 or even a 5.3 LS against aa Coyote because of the 4 valve heads' advantage. This is a hard comparison because apples to oranges. Coyotes also cost a lot more to mod in n/a form. This is why so many Coyote guys go straight to boost. 1 more huge advantage of an LS is you can get a lot more displacement in the same exterior size.
#FACTS. Most Coyote owners don't even attempt to mod internally. Bolt ons, thats it. Then straight to boost. I think I know only one Coyote owner thats been in the engine out of the hundreds that I know. The rest are bolt-on NA or boosted.
@@jaydubb71 there is no need to mod the engine when you can make 800-1000 rwhp on an untouched long block with a power adder.
Put a 4 valve head on an LS engine then compare. 4 valve will usually/always breath better than 2 valve heads. Cudo’s to Ford for building the more advanced engine.
Everyone out here defending LS like if he’s trashing them? Hes just comparing how mods effect each engine 😂 LS guys are getting all sorts of hurt
They always come to these comment sections like their very existence depends on it 🤣
i just like comparing apples to apples so at least keep the total build cost the same to deny how cheap it is to replace the bottom end of an LS is to take away one of its greatest attributes that and accessibility and if you are denying just how awesome that coyote is you are definitely a fan boy of somebody cause that is an awesome power plant
I'm an LS guy and am not the least bit hurt by this comparison. Ford guys are the ones that should be hurt that they had to compare Truck engines to a coyote to make it a similar playing field.
In all reality the comparison should have been between a coyote and an LS3...
@@hansm8688 the coyote is a truck engine lol, the differences are pretty negligible especially after the mods that were done.
Light best center of gravity smaller for best balance in a circuit racing i mean ford is never gona beat chevy in really life just check nazcar chevy is the most winning brand that just says it all
I’m just waiting until he gets his hands on a Godzilla motor 🤣
Revin Evan already has Godzilla dyno videos...
Coyote is so much better than the junk ass Godzilla
@@Ruby5.0
Let me guess, Godzilla is junk because it has pushrods? 😄
@@Ruby5.0 for right now that coyote is better but that Ford 7.3 gas engine is going to dominate the future
Gorilla with intake manifold, headers, cam, and tune made over 600hp
Nothing sounds as good as a coyote but bang for the $$ a LS swap is easier for size and availability
The 5.0 is a performance Mustang engine. The Chevy 5.3 was never a performance engine, it was a grocery getter they put in all types of cars but luckily everything Chevy builds they make performance parts for and are easily and cheaply modified. Its why Chevy is always the go to engine for hot rodders and resto mods.
there is barely any difference between the f150 and mustang engines, and with the mods they did the differences are basically non-existent.
Yeah but they don't sound like a Ford engine. Sorry.
So you are using truck motors from junk yards versus a brand new motor that goes into a sport car 🤔
More Coyote content please
That coyote needs a gt350 or cobra jet intake, the boss intake sucks
A 2018 gt intake would be nice.
The boss intake is awesome. Especially when ported. It's basically a unsorted cobra jet
Unported
@@soadous the boss intake is only good if you’re only using on a track car where your drag racing it and you stay between 6500-8000. Anything on the street is a dog and not worth it. I wouldn’t put it in my car (gen 2) even for free.
@@krtacct it would, but if you look at the average people dynos, no the super tuned 300 plus hours of tuning with all of the ports. The gt350 gives the nicest smoothest curve
Day one of asking for a war of 5.7s
5.7 LS (or small block) vs 5.7 hemi vs 351w (yes I know that's technically a 5.8) vs 5.7 toyota. You might leave out the ford motor or replace it with a 5.4l to get it more even. Edit: just had a thought, we could test a new age gt500 5.8 against all the other motors if you want to!
The Toyota would be cheating. It's a 4-valve.
All the Toyota performance fans will flock to their cellphones to see the test and break the internet.
ONE OF THOSE IS NOT A TRUCK ENGINE
@@richardholdener1727 I'm confused, which one is not a truck engine?
@@robertelmo7736 I'm assuming the 5.7 LS. Since the LS truck motors are 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0
Boss 302 intake is shit use the cobra jet intake and aluminator xs heads
Coyote is a beast! I have a 1949 Ford F1 that will be getting one along with a 6 speed. Should be a fun truck.
why nobody ever talk about the 5.7?
@@luisavelar9883 ya u sound like a 4.8 guy but that's cool too bro, Ls is a Ls...lol
5.7 ls1?
Why would you compare a coyote to anything less than an LS3?
Because you can source f series coyotes for less than an ls3
but this wasn't an f series engine obviously. ls3 would have trounced the coyote with just a cam, that's why
@@travispfannmuller7717 You say that as if a truck coyote is worlds different then the mustang engine. Fact is, if they did the same test starting with a truck coyote, they would have had the same results anyways because they used nsr cams, boss 302 intake, and longtubes. Those exhaust, cam, and intake manifold are the only difference in the power production of the two engines. As for a 6.2 trouncing it, we already have seen a non max effort coyote make similar peak power to a aftermarket headed and top end 6.0. With that in mind, the added displacement is not an end all be all in racing. The most affordable complete coyote for sale on ebay from a wrecked low milage truck is about $2,000 less than the most affordable Ls3. That means you can basically build this combo on this video for the price of a used 6.2L ls3.
@@madmod right, the only cheap ls engines are the clapped out 5.3s and 4.8s at the pick and pull, outside of this they are close to the same price, give or take.
Minor Compression difference as well. Could have left stock rect port heads and intake on the 6.0 and had very similar numbers. I respect the hell out of the coyote BTW, good friend has a big Whipple on gen 2 and it goes 9.50's. Cost though? We're in Canada, cams were over 2g's, oil pump gears, cam lock outs, etc. Dollar per mph, ls is hard to beat until the 1500hp neighborhood. At that point I'm not looking yote or ls
You need to do a 321 build coyote ....poor man's race motor
Did you have to run Perrier instead of dyno water through that 4 cam Formula Ooon motor? :) Have to respect those Coyote motors. Pretty stout. Great test!
Gen3 Coyote will make even more power with the higher compression, bigger valves, slightly increased engine displacement, and the intake that comes with the 2018 and up models. At that point, the Chevy camp would need a stroker motor to keep up which, obviously, becomes much more expensive.
Nah proper parts the 6.2 ls3 is up to that task no problem
If I was shopping for a V8 to put in one of my cars I'd rather have a Coyote than almost any LS but the entry price is too high. I have too many projects to waste my money paying unjustified premiums.
Coyote motors are like the ls vette motors. Still very expensive compared to the truck ls.
@@vinceconstanzo6657 That's why I said almost. I'd take an LS7 over a Coyote to put in my Miata for example but I'm not the guy who buys expensive engines. I buy cheap engines to swap or buy cheap vehicles with expensive engines.
I'd rather have 1 cam and simplicity. Coyotes are nice but they cost to modify
The coyote already has more power stock you need to modify the ls to reach power of the coyote. That can also cost.
@@joesredinferno1801 you don't even need to chance the cams or mod the heads on the coyote just slap a turbo on and make big power on an untouched long block.
Looking at the ls blocks that you have on here look like gen III and gen IV ls motor which years produced anywhere from early 2000s up to a 2013. So the tech is older than the coyote which came out couple years before the lt motor. There is also a lot more aftermarket parts for the ls compared to the coyote, in addition almost all ls parts are interchangeable with each other
A truly pointless discussion, apples & oranges.
But you’re here
I prefer the Coyote at this time because I'm kinda tired of sbc. Great engines but the LS is the vanilla of racing engines right now.
There is a reason for that.
I agree to a point, I'm tired of the LS but for the cost of building a Coyote you had might as well build a Mercedes AMG.
Grab an atlas
@@johnparrish9215
I've built both. The coyote is more expensive but it's not that much more expensive. And as you start going higher and higher in hp the price starts to even out. All racing engines are expensive.
@@FXIIBeaver
They're cheap and plentiful. But everyone doing the same thing is boring.
The only drawbacks I can see with the Coyote is size and cost wise you may as well do a big block.
Love the coyote but i got my 6.0 for $250 ready to drop in.
Same got my 5.3 for 125 ready to drop in 🤣 even mention that and the yote boys get so butthurt
@@nickmyers3681 all junkyard engines are around that price 😑. There's a reason they DON'T test PI head swapped 5.4's. That cr bump makes things so much more interesting. interesting.
@@smackledorfmcsween not all junkyards at all. I’ve seen ls motors go for several hundreds at yards. Best place to find these motors is guys who give up the passion. 🤷♂️they’re out there. The junkyards got too much fame and now try to hold a premium. Or at least some do I mean it is their buisness after all
Got my 351 windsor for 75 bucks out of the junkyard ready to drop in out of a bronco.
@@darrenmcfeaters6683 Windsor’s are great motors but get slept on for 7.3s and for some ungodly reason pushrod 302s. I have a roomate who did this for example wants 400 wheel hp in an sn95. He “likes” the 302 yet knows they split. I tried explaining why 351w is a better option but 🤷♂️ still wants to go 302. So it doesnt surprise me you got it that cheap.
What’s crazy is that the stock gen3 coyote output. Have long tubes and exhaust ,cai ,tune on e85. Mine did 547hp to the wheels through the auto box
No it doesn’t lmfaooo makes probably 480-90 on a good day
Lol. Do you lie alot?
🧢
I love fords and coyotes but don't spout lies. If your dyno did in fact say that it's waaaayyy high. You're in the upper 400s on its best day. You can get up to 520-530 with cams and cj maybe.
I feel like I’ve waited years for this video. Love the coyote content!!!! Keep it coming
Couldn’t agree more. Cubic inch limited, which murders its naturally aspirated potential
That's why we boost them.
It all boils down to how much air it can move. Charge pressure, displacement, and rev potential all increase power in similar ways. Bump up any of those, and an engine is going to make more power.
They can make quite a bit of power in na form with the right combo. They can rev to 8k or more out of the box pretty reliablely the oil pump gears are the weakest link and is advised to upgrade those if spinning to 8k alot although many have done it for a long time with no issues with the stock stuff.
Saw an article from Hotrod network several years back with a junkyard 4.6 2v with a turbo make 600hp for less than $2300 all in.
Love the coyote, but I'll stay with the 4.6.
Edit: www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1105-592hp-46l-2v-motor-for-2298/
Check out Andrew Lavender's channel. He has a very healthy 4.6 2V
Roadkills old wore out 5.0 Ford with a junkyard turbo was doing that for even less - Rotsun build with a power stroke turbo. If you have fab and tuning skills could probably do all that for a grand or less.
Did you check out the author of that article? Spoiler, it was Richard
@@travispfannmuller7717Was just watching another video with strangley similar numbers, and found my old comment. Yeah, it totally checks out.
Expected. But dollar for dollar. The Coyote engine is expensive right out of the gate. What about reliability? I wonder what a North Star engine could do if it was supported with good upgrades, Hmmm?
I'd love to see the same kinda comparison with the gen 5 LT
Interesting Vid, however, you are comparing Apples to Oranges. The coyote engine was built for the Mustang first, while you are using GM TRUCK ENGINES. Yes you have mentioned that. There are also builds of a TRUCK LS 5.3 (with mods similar to these stated) that got 501HP & 452ft/lb.(TFS DenX 205 Heads - Comp XR281 571/573 228/230 dur 112LSA - FAST LSXR) Closer still. A CRITICAL difference is that these TRUCK engines are meant for low end torque, where it is needed in every day use, they are not screamers unlike the Coyote. Ford's Coyote is an excellent engine, no argument from me, just not a particularly fair comparison. While the Ford is just short of a RACE TYPE engine it is also made out of aluminum, the GM's are iron. Then there is also the LS1/LS6 5.7L & w/ some mods (within these parameters) makes 525HP & 480ft/lbs, right in the ballpark of the 5.0 Coyote. For the TRUCK Engine, there is a 6.2L (TFS GenX 255LS SpeedMaster Intake & Comp Cams 624/590 232/2480) making roughly 610HP & 535ft/lbs. Again not knocking Ford or GM, just trying to compare APPLES to APPLES. I give FORD a 10 for Originality on taking a different approach to meeting the competition. Any 4 valve is tough to beat, add to it a Flat Plane Crank and it's tougher still. This is most likely a reason GM will introduce a Flat Plane in it's next Z, with a rumor has it at 5.5L displacement, making a direct comparison even easier.
Thanks again, interesting work.
You can't go wrong with any of todays performance engines, even the TRUCK Engines, the Aftermarket has stepped up their game and only made them better.
Coyote’s are great if you have the money. They’re expensive and kinda complicated
Not anymore. The Coyote swap is just a couple hundred more. And it continues to drop. My Bud owns a garage that does these all the time. Just spoke to him. He had 4 swaps in his shop. Two LS and 2 Coy. He is a Chevy guy, and readily admits the Coy is the better bullet. And with the prices now comparable, most are following his recommendation to go with the Coyote. And by the way he owns and races a BBC-Mustang. That is to be converted to the Coyote? Why, more potential. Coyote class, sealed engine 3200 pounds. There are more and more guys running in the 9's with these stock sealed engines. The performance, reliability, and potential are with the Ford. It is a better design mechanically.
@@hdvictoryford5329 look there someone who talks facts and don't just repeat the same outdated talk everyone on the internet says. The coyote is clearly the better engine and when gm guys realize this they immediately bring up cost but that is the only thing they can grab ahold of...unfortunately for them coyotes are becoming more available and prices are going down. All coyotes don't cost 7500 bucks anymore like in the beginning.
LMR.com Stock 2018 10spd Mustang GT Wheel Horsepower Dyno Results=
460HP at Crank
415 Horsepower
397 Torque to the wheels.
Camaro SS 6.2 has ONLY 455 horsepower at crank 409hp+439ft TQ at the wheels.
Think about it.
The Ford has the smallest MOST powerful per cubic inch N/A V8. If they could get the body weight of the car down noone else would stand a chance.
Dodges closer sized Hemi 5.7 liter has almost 100 hp less at 375hp at crank. The Scatpack has the 6.4L with 475hp at the crank.
Chevy doesn't have an engine near the same cubic inch/liter size that comes within a mile either. Why's dodge and chevys engines so much weaker per cubic inch or liter. Prove me wrong. There's no other N/A American V8 that comes close. None. Fords 5.0 is the most UNDERATED engine America has BAR NONE!
And don't even get me started on the 10 speed tranny. Ford is at the top of the TOTEM POLE per cubic inch, FOR MUSCLE CARS FOLKS.
The heads cam intake 6.0 ls made more power everywhere!!!! And thats still a budget truck block against a top dollar ford coyote!! Use a ls3 or another comparable ls and will see then but the coyote is a beast none the less and id love to own and boost one but wayyyy outta budget very impressive motor just would like to see the more premium ls’s put against it 🤷♂️
I have owned all 3, Chev, Dodge and Ford. I am not product faithful; I buy what attracts me. But I will say without hesitation that the Coyote engine is very impressive, when it takes an engine a full litre larger ( 302 cu in vs 364 cu in) to compare. I would love to put a coyote in my 1948 Ford F47 truck project. Stay safe everyone.
So a 10k ford vs 3k LS. Hahahahahaha
RIGHT!!! About 3700 7600 invested in the total truck! th-cam.com/video/Fi9gCYF-6zs/w-d-xo.html
No complaints on the 5.3
I know its 2 years later but I have to point out your flawed outlook for anyone running across your comment. Just the trick flow heads on that 6.0 are $2000 alone and the LSX intake is over $1000. After everything is said and done, dollar for dollar the LS isn't much cheaper. The Coyote ran OEM everything other than a very mild camshaft. You shouldn't be very proud lol
@@slickdaddy8408 I smoke yotas all day with a stock block and heads 5.3 all day long
So a new Coyote crate motor with CnC heads and cams and intake, 14-15k, a Junk Yard 6.0 with Heads and cam, 5-6k.. plus you have the size... Im really wanting to see the 7.3 Godzilla motor.. once the after market gets caught up.. THEN we will have something you compare. Imagine a 7.3 Godzilla Junk Yard with heads and cam..
Love to see a video on lt (gen5) 5.3 and 6.2 vs latest coyote.
Yeah that be awesome to see a 2018 coyote vs 2018 5.3 n 6.2 the gen 3 coyote has so much more power then gen 1
Building an l83 for my 94 firebird formula mated to a t56 mansmission lt1 intake Lt headers stage 4 btr cam 4.10s in the rear I'm sure it'll make a decent amount over 400 at the wheels
Ima put some ltx badges on it and nobody will be expecting it to be a 5th gen Lt lmfao I'm a be out there bamboozling folks
I would like to see the latest coyote vs a ls3 or ls7. Truck 4.8, 5.3, 6.2 don't have a lot of compression. The ls3 and ls7 are both over 11:1 compression
@@nopenone9399 ls3 is 10.7
This is the 1st gen Coyote but remember these are truck LS engines so compression on the 4.8 and 5.3 are most likely 9.5 to 1 and even the truck 6.0 l do not think is over 10.0 to 1 a LS2 would have 10.9 to 1 stock compression ratio and 10.7 to 1 for a stock LS3 this small increase in compression is worth 20-30 horsepower the 5.0 Coyote is at least 11.0 to one
I would love to hear your impression of the new Ford 7.3 gasser.
Yeah I heard they were pretty good.
Shit fuel mileage 😂
@@tc1254 fuel mileage isn't your worry if you're going for a 7.3. Go get a 1 Liter Chevy sprint if you want fuel mileage.
RevEvan's channel has some tests from Brian Wolfe running one on they dyno.
@@OGbqze I was just putting it out there😂
Some of the words you use confuse me:
"completely fair comparison"?
- a new crate motor as a 'base' for the coyote - against -
- a wrecking yard motor(s) for the LS's
"Marketplace competitors"?
- a 'generation' NEW engine - against
- an engine (series) that was introduced in 1996? (and on it's way toward being superceded by the time the Coyote was introduced? Two decades of R&D later?
I understand if the purpose of your comparison is to try to get people to do "coyote swaps" at the same rate/same enthusiasm as the "LS Swaps" did 20+ years ago?
Obviously, COST is still the primary reason keeping these engines out of the "marketplace competitors" category. Perhaps an engine out of an Indy car would be a better comparison to the coyote - as far and fair as this "completely fair comparison" goes??
Even though we are all impressed with what the coyote can do, even Ford isn't completely sold on using 4 overhead cams - for cost? Dependability/longevity?? (never a strong point of the Dearborn-based manufacturer)_ The 7.3 liter truck motor that was recently introduced has none of that "new technology" stuff. (Which isn't really all that new. There were 'multiple overhead cam' engines as far back as World War II.)
this is sum pretty kool stuff.but i still wanna see sum y block stuff
Really?? the expense? you get what you pay for... go to a junkyard and you will get JUNK! or GM same thing... and now look at the Godzilla motor 7.3... Beast..!!!
Beating an old dog here! LS/LT is swap king....after all who wants a Ford's reliability? 😆
Of course the 5.0 it's great engine. But how much you think it takes to do cams and heads? Vs an ls . So I think for the money the ls is the best
Coyote looks awfully peaky compared to the straight-line horsepower and torque numbers of the LS on top of that the guy has to use truck motors
Speaking of rare Ford motors and high potential, whatever happened to the Ford 6.2 SOHC truck motor, first used in the 2010 Raptor XT? I see a lot of excitement in the motor-head press, but nothing that looks like a full supporting plan by Ford. It seems like the potential is huge with its 4.53" bore spacing.
Its time to test the Ford 6.2 sohc. The big valve 2v heads flow fantastic and the F series trucks are showing up in junkyards more often. Now that the 7.3 is out, tons of old 6.2s will flood the market.
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That 6.2 needs a forged crankshaft option and it would be an endless destroyer under boost... Jesus Christ that would make absolute hell on earth . Those gnarly ports on the heads are ridiculous! Ported almost 400 cfm . Wtf thats nuts
@@luciankristov6436 Stock Ford 6.2 crank is forged steel in all applications. Cores are available for just over $200 brand new oem. These 6.2L will get more popular. I guarantee it.
The Coyote swap is just a couple hundred more than the LS. And it continues to drop. My Bud owns a garage that does these all the time. Just spoke to him. He had 4 swaps in his shop. Two LS and 2 Coy. He is a Chevy guy, and readily admits the Coy is the better bullet. And with the prices now comparable, most are following his recommendation to go with the Coyote. And by the way he owns and races a BBC-Mustang. That is to be converted to the Coyote? Why, more potential. Coyote class, sealed engine 3200 pounds. There are more and more guys running in the 9's with these stock sealed engines. The performance, reliability, and potential are with the Ford. It is a better design mechanically.
One thing to keep in mind with Coyotes is that the people modifying them typically aren’t doing so with a mind of keeping them NA. They’re being modified for boost. As such, putting in cams and porting the heads doesn’t start showing significant gains until you get to big boy power, I.e. well over 1k whp. And more than a few Gen 3 Coyotes have seen up to 1100 whp on stock bottom ends w only springs added to the heads.
This is true but if your going to mod to different designed motors anyways like he did then obviously it shows that the ls is superior through 70% of the power band and shows a higher tq curve and hp gain modded than the coyote na of course. Yes maybe the coyote can rev high making up the difference from displacement but who really cares when I can make a much bigger displacement then even a weak ass 6.0 l. In fact the only way the coyote can win is in a higher roll race or a top speed 2 mile on boost vs a ls with big displacement modded with all the same goodies for much less and better tq range and power curve did you look at that shaky ass power curve the coyote was putting out and it’s not just that one either I’ve scene many with that same curve. Sure for a stock running block bottom end on boost alone to mod with boost yeah coyote all the way but if done right for drag racing digs and even roll racing in the lower rolls the ls all day I would even say it’s better for road racing as the corvette and Camaro have set many records in the past on many tracks not saying Ford hasn’t either but seems like a better all around choice that’s a better bang for the buck.
@@joshreynolds729 hahahahahaha Thanks for the laugh. As usual it takes GM more displacement to match the power of a Ford motor. As usual a GM fanboi comes along to spew nonsense about how superior the GM motor is. Some things never change.
@@rreno496 As usual it takes Ford 4 times the cams, 32 valves, and hybrid injection to compete with a pushrod engine, peak power is only impressive to number chasers, have fun with your overpriced pile of garbage.
I think its funny how you are using a gen 1 coyote and comparing it with pretty much ls truck motors, if I remember correctly the 4.8,5.3 and possibly the 6.0 ly engine is all cast iron. Compare them with the motors that are in the rival cars, get the camaros, corvettes and the gto's. The chargers and challengers. Get those motors and stack them up against each other. I can tell you my 06 GTO with K&N intake, full exhaust and tune smokes the gen 1 stangs and keeps up really well and have beaten on a few occasions the new ones. Just throwing that out there.
A more fair comparison here would've been the 5.0L Coyote from a truck vs the 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0 which were all from trucks as well
A truck coyote would give the the same numbers. The only difference trucks and mustang coyotes are cams and intake manifold.
A turbo version coyote can produce 1400 hp before it blows to bits. The ls6 with turbos sanvproduxe 1560 hp before it blows. I guess it's just the stouter crank maybe or thicker steel. Not sure. So it should bE able to take up to 1000 with no problems
Now do a test seeing how far power wise you can push each respective engine before they break, that’d get you some crazy views/comments. 👍
Somebody did. The LS won. The coyote blew spectacularly at like mid 1400hp. The LS popped a head gasket at almost 1600
It's hard to argue against the LS platform. I'm a Ford guy then a Chevy close second. I've got a 2009 Mustang and I've considered an LS swap over modding the 4.6 3v that is going to require to be "built" if I get over 500 torque to the wheels. The LS is cheap to pick up and mod. Blow it? Go get another at the junk yard. It just is a better platform.
@@chadvalliere8697 I think I saw that one. It was a build-off or something. I think the coyote's belt kept slipping too.
@@Shutchohole I just wish AM parts were more affordable for a 4.6. If they were I wouldn't have considered a swap.
Stupid, but I don’t like the sound of an LS engine compared to a Coyote or a SBF Windsor. That alone detracts me from wanting to change platforms. 🤷🏻♂️
If you are going to do cams, heads and intake manifold on a coyote, why not just start with a junkyard truck motor? I think the biggest difference for the mustang is cams anyway. The main problem with the gen 1 coyote is weak intake valves. Make sure you upgrade the valves to quality ones, if you are going to run the motor hard.
People talking smack about the yote , not realizing it's ran 5.8's @ over 250mph in the 1320 and there is no such thing as aftermarket heads for them .
What Coyote ran that fast?
I think you're referring to the earlier Mod motor
@@stlchucko th-cam.com/video/q7Seka5ERPw/w-d-xo.html. Sorry 5.6's @265. I misspoke.
Are we really going to compare a billet block 150k engine to what's in the car on the lot?
@@joelstockton9955 those Ford 4v heads have some serious capabilities to make that kind of power don't they . The yote has a lot of potential ! That's the point .
@@blueovaldude Hard to beat head design that has millions of dollars behind it, the rest of the engine however is not nearly as notable.
5.0 is dohc Ls truck
Motors are single in block cammed, for using a lot less and still being used in today’s project’s it definitely preaches power per dollar , availability vs buying an expensive expensive motor you won’t get around to finding or source parts for
The LS only has 1 cam
It actually has many cams, only one camshaft tho.
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They would be called lobes not cams...
Thats all it needs!...still makes more reliable power than that ferd turd will ever make!...
@@nathanielbolden5053 yeah but you've gotta dump like 10x the fuel to do it.
All I know. Is my 5.7 ls with a cam and exhaust. I'm over 500hp and only about 750$ in to it in parts. Coyotes need a second mortgageon your house to make power compared to LS . And I have no problems with the coyote mustangs. None at all. 04 gto handing down that smack
the LQ4 LQ9 rules !
Agreed. My boosted LQ4 with all forged bottom end and 799 ported headed gets it done.
I have to disagree. I have the LY6 in my Silverado. BTR stage 2 cam, 823 heads, 78mm turbo, meth injection, stock truck intake, stock bottom end. Its an animal. Tuned at 715hp and cant blow it up.lol.
and the BIG difference is the coyote will not live long and blow after spinning like that after average runs $$$ , while the 6.0 LS will keep on ticking.
I’m going coyote all day every day!!! The stock bottom end is handling some crazy power. I’ve seen so many stock bottom end stock heads and cams coyote mustangs running in the 8s with 1000whp to 1100whp. But they have that stock bottom end with built factory 10r80 running 7.6 in the 1/4 mile in a 18+ mustang which is not light.
Gen2 coyotes can make that much power. Gen1 not so much. But yeah the 18+ are heavy af and capable of running low low 8s and high 7s in the quarter mile, with factory sealed engines and transmission.
@Jack Russelle Lewis take your Great Value Walmart shopping ass somewhere else🤣
that coyote blew the doors off that push rod junk yea the coyote cost more but you get alot more to start with, by the time you spend all the money on LS to match it the cost of the LS is way up also but the driveiblity will not match the coyote, plus a 6.0 will cost more than a 5.3
This is why I love Ford
Why? Because you're mad at your money?
Rip $$
Lets be fair. Old junk yard truck engines maybe older then ten years old. Against a ford create engine that only done dyno pulls that was was planed for a performance car. It would be fair to take a performance engine similar in size and compare no matter the make. Again a create engine. At lease a complete rebuild of the lower end so you have good ring sealing and head sealing at full song.
Not sure why he's testing a hardcore performance engine against truck engines. Where's the LS3? Every one I've built has made way more power than this coyote. Just because Chevy uses 6.2 liters, what difference does it make? Power is power. Oh, this was to show how "efficient" the Ford is...got it. I'll stick with being able to change cams without pulling the intake over my lunch break, and having unlimited options for cams, heads and every other part that you can basically get anywhere. Never changed 4 cams before, but it looks like a real pain in the ass. Jesus H those cam phasers and the chain, holy shit.
similar displacement. this could matter for certain racing classes.
a 6.0-6.2 coyote would shit all over a ls3
@@OxBlitzkriegxO Classes? I've heard about that bs for years. No one is dealing with class limits. Line up and fucking race. 6 liter coyote??? While we're dreaming of things that will never exist, I'd say a 30 liter LS would better any coyote. Pound for pound, Chevy will always make more power, cheaper and more economically than any other design, and do it without exotic one off parts. That's why they are so prolific, and that's the point.
@@bigblocklawyer this video literally shows that the coyote with less displacement makes more power. He gave the 6.0 an advantage by changing out the heads even. And that mustang coyote is no hard core performance engine only differences between it and the f150 engine is intake cams, .5 difference in compression and exhaust manifolds.
@@bigblocklawyer of course the gm engines is cheaper They been out WAYYYYY longer 🙄
@@bigblocklawyer and soon as you add boost its a whole different game, (with stock bottom ends of course)
Hmm, there are plenty of cheap VK56s in the junkyard. A test with VK56 and Kelford cams would be interesting.
How about a comparison with those and a 6.1 Gen3 Hemi ?
A more comparable comparison would be Gen1 and 2 Coyote vs LS3 and GenIII Coyote vs LT1.
Coyote is cool, but as someone who works on his own cars and who doesn't have much money, I'd far rather have the larger displacement, simpler engine.
As much as i'd love to see a 6l Coyote, it will never happen. The Coyote is most likely the last advancement from Ford for the V8. We're probably 10 years out from 90% of new cars being electric.
Ford did just come out with a new 7.3L in-block-cam V8 for the 2020 superduty's that are built like crazy. Shops have boosted them up to ~1200hp fully stock (granted they only did two engine dyno hits at that power level so god only knows how long it'll actually hold that power). It is a brand new engine though so who knows. And electric vehicles definitely will take over, but those damn things are quick with 100% torque @0rpm
You must not pay attention to ford lol
The problem is the bore spacing is shared by the 4.6/5.4 mod motor which limits bore size and ultimately displacement which richard touched on at the end.
Let's not forget, he's still vs. the coyote against junkyard truck engines. Not performance LS or LT.
It would have been nice to see what the 6.0 would have done with the variable valve timing.