HOW A SURRON SHOULD BE UPGRADED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Over the years we have been on the forefront of parts development and testing. Where current technology sits this are the exact and best upgrades you should do to your Surron Lightbee X!
Parts List!
Power:
Chi 72v Compact (with QS8)
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EBMX X9000
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KO RS Motor
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Drive Train:
Warp 9 Primary Chain Drive
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Excel 16/19 Wheels
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Renthal R1MX 420 Chain
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EBMX Extended swingarm
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Suspension:
EXT Ferro Front fork
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EXT Arma MX (550)
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Brakes:
TRP Black Evo DHR
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Cockpit:
Protaper Bars
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Warp 9 Stem
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Warp 9 Rear Linkage
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Warp 9 Disk guard
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Warp 9 Footpegs
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Warp 9 Dropper footpeg mount
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Needs a Baja designs s2 pro or squadron to finish up the package 😎🤘🏼🤘🏼
What's left from the original Surron, .the frame
One word. Overbuild
I'm in the process of building a bike almost like this, all from upgraded components. EXT ferro, Vonkat TenFive shock, BAC4000, 21/18's, TRP brakes + 250mm rotors, warp 9, pickly parts and more. I'm just missing the battery now and this video gives me confidence that i'm gonna be happy with the bike. Super cool build guys!
So sick... this looks amazing, great work guys
Any companies out there selling just frames? At this point we're buying every part separately for the builds anyways, its a shame wasting all the stock parts. Awesome build. Should do a time lapse build like they do with mountain bikes.
There are "projects" out there, but nothing truly available for sale that we've seen. The used parts are pretty easy to sell on the used market to get some $ back out of them and recycle them.
for the reliability you mentioned the X-9000 Controller with KO motor. Why not with EBMX XLB-60 motor? Less reliable?
Too bad your "ultimate" build uses those crappy bicycle wheel hubs, my ultimate build would include the superior SM Pro or Warp 9 straight-pull moto style hubs.
We make our own 7000 series hubs in the USA out of the THOUSANDS that we have sold not a single failure. Other brands cannot say this... I'd say they are pretty damn good "crap"
@@ChargedCycleWorks You can say what you like, the hubs are second-rate engineering.🙄
Bought a set of them Brakes from your Site!
Should fix my issue and think these might just be better overall.
Thanks for the video and showcase of these great man made products!
I have Lewis Brakes and they do not seem to fit this Fork.
Wonder if you have suggestions, New Brakes?..... or should these fit?
ooooh weeeee that is a nice invoice for the owner! But my god that is the best spec of Surron i've seen all over the internet.
test it and film it for us!
Thumbs up.
Not for 12k… lol
That stock headlight is trash too! It’s the only thing left not upgraded. Haha
That bike is SUPER BAD ASS!!!🙌🏻
And fenders
KO is garbage. Gonna be rebuilding that motor any sec now.
Bike porn!
Pretty much my dream build.
How much did it weight?
Too late to put it on a scale, but based on other builds this is probably around 145, most of the weight gain comes from the battery.
So what I've learned is that I shouldn't spend 4k+ on a ebike and instead just buy the frame.
I hope the owner get good use out of that. I bet the giant dude you built one for never rides his.
Time for an update to this video?
Ebmx motor, battery, and controller. Ext rear and front suspension. 19/16 wheels with tusk groundwire in front. Hayes dominion brakes. Warp 9 rotors/sprockets. Titanium bolts. Etc etc etc
You are absolutely right, tech is moving quick!
Sorry guys but this bike looks weird IMO 😵💫
Not digging the silver? we've been waiting an entire year to see a silver frame with silver excel wheels, we really dig it!
@@ChargedCycleWorks Thats what i like about it, the silver on silver with the blue looks all class, im so over black..
Dream build right there 😍
Dude, that thing is insane. Just order a bunch of stuff off your website Can’t wait to get mine fully decked out.
Love your off-road builds but have you done any street runners? Super motos cool lighting (not any of the plug and play kits maybe a plug and play headlight but the rest custom.)
That bike is so sick! Such a great build. Nice work guys, I bet the owner is stoked!
and rich he must be :)
Crazy build!!
How much rise does that warp9 direct stem gives to the handlebars?
3”
@@ChargedCycleWorks ty🙏🏼
Wow, sick bike! What's up with that stock head light though? If you're going to spend almost 20k at least get the Fish Fab on there haha
How much was the Total ?
That's what I want to know, as someone who has built mine over time...
@@zacharyjohn1071that’s a 13k build 4k bike 2/3k for suspension 1.3k controller 2k battery 1.5k motor 1k wheels 300 for the breaks and pads rotors are more lost will keep going with bearings as the all go with the added power
15k I think
wanna see the bike not you talk about it... more bike. less face. Great bike though
cant type propely bcos of the drool on my touchscreen
Just curious on why you didn’t do ebmx battery and motor with the controller, been thinking about pulling the trigger on it but seeing this has chi,ko and ebmx makes me wanna go that route
Great question, the customer had specked some of these components on the bike and we built it to his speck. The EBMX motor will not be out until later this fall/winter, KO is the only option at the moment and all of us run them, they handle the power and heat far better than stock motors. We try to keep the EBMX batteries in stock ready to ship, Chi who also makes excellent batteries has a pretty long lead time at the moment to get one.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is what the next Light Bee should look like 🤤
What psi settings do u recommend for the ferros ?
Woulda been nice to know improvement to the speed, battery life ect
We have other videos covering that topic and more updated acceleration videos coming.
is that the stock light bee frame in silver or custom painted? beautiful bike🔥🔥🔥🔥
That is the stock Silver framed bike...has a nice look to it, seeing it in person gave us a whole new appreciation for silver.
What would I say is the next best option for forks Manitou dorados ?
We get a ton of positive feedback on our tuned fast ace forks. We install heavier springs and re-tune the damper for the weight of these bikes and have 3 different tunes: plush, aggressive, heavy. For $1000 it's a great option and these forks are much stronger than anything MTB based. We'll be stocking back up on them soon: chargedcycleworks.com/products/fastace-fork-custom-tuned-for-surron-talaria-segway
The brakes are the failure those are mtb brakes not designed for the sur ron the pads are to thin
With current technology they are the best for these at the moment but yes, they are for mtb. Keep your eyes peeled at warp 9, word on the street is they are building brakes that are meant for these bikes
Absolutely epic bike!
So sick. Nice work.
Great stuff! Once you add full size wheels and aftermarket swingarm though I wonder if a stock ultra bee feels about as flickable?
This one is about 145ish lbs and Ultra is 185. We have some similar "big" upgraded Light Bees in our stable and they still feel much lighter and more flickable and playful than the Ultra. The Ultra feels like a 125 with tons of torque, much more like a full sized trail/moto bike. If you goal is light and playful the Light Bee is where it's at. If you want bigger more capable then it's the Ultra, plus the Ultra is WAY cheaper vs a mod LB.
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Do you lose alot of flickableness when you go 18/21 on the LB
Can I ask why Pro Taper bars as opposed to the Warp9?
Customer Preference only. Both are a great bend
love that set up
NIce video Trav!
Sick !
Stunning 😍
Not sure why anyone would put this much money into a Sur-Ron X when they can get a Stark Varg or Build an Ultra for less and end up with a much better off-road bike
Light bee is smaller than both
@@yevgeniylankin7032 well that was kind of my point for real off-road use it would be nice to have a 21 front. And something with more ground getting over logs and rocks. I had an X it was fun but it had its limitations.
Great point, we talk to 100's of customers and here is the reasons they give us: nothing beats the Light Bee for a light and nimble and flickable play bike. There is something so special about the size of these bikes that take you back to being a little kid on your BMX bike. It's essentially a mountain bike with a twist throttle and the fun factory is off the charts with these bikes. Is the Ultra Bee more capable? Yes for most things. Is the Ultra Bee better bang for your buck? Yeah it is. But the Ultra Bee is much larger and heavier and rides more like a proper dirt bike and you do loose the playfulness as a result. This is why people are still in love with the LBX and why we don't think it's going to fade away.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Thank you
They are exactly right. I had a really nice built sur Ron light bee I had built by charged cycle and sold it and I just recently built up an ultra bee and I’m wanting to do another light bee ASAP. The ultra bee is an amazing capable bike and perfect for trails but you can’t flick it around like a light bee. Light bee fun factor is a real thing haha.
Great video! Most winning racers are going with the "commercial grade" BAC8000 controller. Most street stunters are using the the commercial grade BAC4000, again for the buttery power delivery and predictability. That EBMX controller is a clone of the Vesc by Benjamin Vedder. The original design was mainly used for electric skateboards. It does not boast the high frequency algos or required internal chipset for buttery smooth and predictable power for heavier vehicles like a dirtbike or 4 wheeled vehicle at high speeds. Check out the mini Cybertruck video built by Hacksmith Industries youtuber where they used BAC8000 controller and it easily towed a Ford F-150 heavy duty truck. The rest of the build is ok except that the front fork should be from a KTM or YZ85 if you truly want to be competitive. The KO motor has horrible low end torque, skinny phase wires and is terribly innefficient.
The BAC's can be buttery & predictable but it sucks there not waterproof and a pain in the dick to install & tune.
I can see putting a 85 fork on a ultra bee but why put that heavy ass fork on a little Surron when you have a much lighter and cheaper option like the Ferro.
If you truly want to be competitive get a KTM freeride.
EBMX went to great lengths to make the X-9000 capable of MORE than enough power, more than we ever want to ride on these lightweight bikes and even capable of powering larger heavier bikes like the Ultra Bee and DIY conversions. They are currently running the X-9000 at 30kw on an Ultra Bee which is insane scary fast. BTW 30kw is something like 350 line amps, HUGE power, this certainly ain't no skateboard controller! The X-9000 has by far the best throttle sensitivity and delivery of ANY controller we have ever ridden (aside from maybe a KTM Freeride). One of our racers runs his X-9000 at 20kw and loves the throttle control. In comparison when we use to run our BAC8000's at 15kw we felt they were twitchy and lacked throttle control and usually ran them around 12-13kw for better throttle control. While the BAC8000 was great in its day, and it's still pretty good, controllers like the X-9000 are a significant upgrade and also have features that are not possible on a BAC8000, accessory lights and water cooling pumps to name a few but most importantly throttle algorithms that make your right hand feel connected to your rear wheel. Pulling an F150 is all about gearing not power, a tug-o-war is nothing but a publicity stunt, and actually the BAC8000 is perfect for this stunt because it was literally made to run conveyor belts not motorcycles. Feel free to send your feedback to EBMX and KO. We race their products and without them we would never win a race in the mod class, and most races we would never even finish because motors and controllers are required to be competitive and not overheat and DNF. We have a lot of customers very happy with these products and they are winning a lot of races on them and creating a lot of smiles for those that do not race.
@@HamptonFPV Ferro is a toy suspension made in China. We will stick with Japanese race proven suspensions.
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Ok cool guy
@@ChargedCycleWorks the x9000 algo is terrible. It’s a beefed up clone of the Vesc skateboard controller made open source by Benjamin Vedder. You can literally purchase a beefed up Vesc from China and program it with the Vesc tools, same software as X9000. You also said KO was great and it turned out to be false and also a copy clone of the Fardriver. Just provided real facts. Open the open source Vesc tools and you can program Vesc controller board and this controller because they share the same firmware.
Gritshift and KO got them RS motor now for $850 , just got one for my sons bike I got they FSpec motor how power but wouldn’t touch EBMX if you paid me
yeah, the new price drops are great for the consumer, we'll be updating our prices to match shortly.
Ypu said ext ferro is the forst fork built for the surron but that's not true fastace did it first, then talaria factory did it second.
Not true. The Fast ace was originally built for downhill mountain bikes. They built it with steel internals and too heavy for the mountain bike community so it ended up flopping. When Surron came along we realized there was opportunity in using the stronger chassis of a fast ace and tuning the internals to better suit a surron. But still no fork had been on the market specifically built for these bikes yet. Talaria caught wind of what we did and partnered with the creators of fast ace to make their talaria factory fork. It is still just a tuned fast ace. EXT Created the first ever specific fork to these bikes. They did not rework an existing mtb fork.
@@ChargedCycleWorks really cuz fastace states they're fork was built specifically for the surron
@@ChargedCycleWorks My 2010 Zero MXE has specific built Fast Ace forks on it from the factory. Way too heavy for a MTB
@@MotoAliasclearly it wasn’t as it’s too soft from the factory and requires quite a bit of valving and heavier oil. A heavy fork doesn’t mean it’s for emoto, just was too heavy for mtb applications. The ferro was built specifically and valved specially for emotos like surron lightbees and talarias
@@surronsd fastace literally sells there fork calling it the first fork built for a surron. And I don't think it's too soft from factory. They have different spring options you can get in the fork from factory. The 35-60lb progressive spring is a great option. This ferro fork is 4 times more money than the fastace it's too much.