That's because it's an e-bike, a pedal bike with a motor. It's not an electric motorcycle. Why? You don't need a license or insurance etc. It's just a standard pedal bike. Despite this, they can usually do more than double that speed. They're simply limited to comply with regulations.
We have to keep in mind that I featured bikes in the lower price range. Of course there are faster and more powerful bikes out there, for example Zero S, but it's going to cost over $10k.
Automotive Territory: Trending News & Car Reviews ... during my commute I see 50, 60, 70 and 80km speed limits. A limit of 50 kph would be dangerous on those roads. Not trying to pick a fight here but a street legal vehicle that can’t keep up with traffic is not worth buying or promoting it’s just a toy.
30 mph is 50km/h, so this should be enough for commuting within the city. The top speed of these bikes is limited on purpose, so the riders could get on these with a basic moped license.
International availability is a big issue for any new company. But I wish these guys the best of luck and I do hope they make it, as there seems to be a lot of people, who are already interested in their bike.
Julian Davies, most of them are intended to be ‘city bikes’, capable of handling city traffic speeds, and more than capable of handling the distances traveled by city commuters. The more expensive ones will handle commuting into or out of a city.
Releases of new electric motorcycles have become a common thing now. Here are some of the latest models that besides being new have relatively low prices. Which one do you like the most?
Your vids keep popping up as suggestions and I have loved every one.. You give all the right information and don't over explain stuff, which is great.. Excellent quality videos.. You just got a new subscriber!.. Cheers from Canada :)
I'm Japanese living in Canada so my first language isn't English.. That means I don't understand much when TH-camrs talky talky forever just to take up time.. I definitely appreciate your content style because you get to the point and move on.. My husband is a motorcycle lover and just encouraged me to get my bike license so we can ride together.. I said I want an electric bike, so after watching this he is interested in pre-ordering an Emflux for me because I love it lol.. He is a motorcycle lover, as well as an off road lover who's passions are motorcycles and we absolutely love overlanding touring.. You have excellent videos on these topics that i'll share to our like minded friends on social media, and tell them to subscribe lol... Do you have a top overland touring vehicles, video?.. I'll go through your videos to check lol
I have the 2019 CSC City Slicker. It goes 50 MPH and I absolutely love it. I think some of the comments here will be less than nice but I'm having fun on it.
It's important for everyone to manage expectations electric motorcycles. Small bikes like yours could make a great alternative to public transport. Would you recommend a bike like yours to a friend?
@@automotiveterritory Answer every day that I ride. And based on the prices, I can get a 600 Vulcan that has more range and is faster than any of these toys. Maybe when they figure out how to to connect the electric motor to an actual transmission, they'll get the same speed and range of a standard gasoline bike. Maybe when Kawasaki/Suzuki/Yamaha purchase the electric motor and battery tech and mate it to one of their chassis & transmission.
The Daymak EM2 actually does 66KMH with the limiter off and with a lithium upgrade it could easily do 180km range with the right "mah" you can also change out the 500watt motor and throw on a 6000 to 8000 watt if you wanted, they're only $700. There's also the EMMO Zone GTS almost the same look as the Daymak EM2 but with a bigger front body flare.
I am interested in purchasing the Super Soco TC Max. I am in NY City. How do I proceed to obtain the bike? Is it available with spoked wheels instead of alloy?
$42,000. I am not kidding. That is the cost of replacement batteries for a zero electric motorcycle. There are seven batteries, each battery is $6000 in a zero. Don’t believe me, do the research before you even consider buying one, then come back here and give me the thumbs up I deserve for warning you.....
Automotive Territory: Trending News & Car Reviews My resources are first-hand testimony from a disillusioned zero owner.. he owns a business/ body shop/ collision shop.. he repairs wrecked cars for customers, or he buys totaled cars and fixes them and sells them himself. He does the same with motorcycles. That’s how he bought the zero a few years ago. It was totaled, mostly because of expensive road rash to parts but basically sound. He Repaired the superficial damage to the zero and had been riding it for a couple years. We share the same enthusiasm for Italian motorcycles. Owns many Ducati/Moto Moroni / guzzi Machines. He likes unusual bikes..That’s why he bought the zero for himself. I was in his shop having my own Guzzi to him for its annual state inspection sticker a few days ago (today’s date is June 9, 2019). I noticed the zero still sitting where it was sitting almost a year ago at his shop. I asked him what’s the story with that now. He told me the story about the batteries being $42,000. he told me,The battery pack consists of seven batteries, $6000 each. I ask him how much are these motorcycles new? He said when these came out they were around $20,000. But he did not buy his machine new..He bought it totaled from an insurance company. I asked him how did this happen to your battery. He said, he went on to a blog for electric motorcycles. One of the bloggers suggested that he would get greater range if he would discharge his batteries and then charge them. And that’s exactly what happened. He discharged the batteries, but they would not come back. He called zero company, and they told him that those batteries were in danger of catching fire in that discharged state. The batteries had actually swollen up / the cases of the batteries were bulging. He also has another electric motorcycle very similar to the zero called a victory. He bought it totaled from an insurance company, in hopes of getting the battery out of it to use in his zero. But when the motorcycle arrived, it was in too good of shape to cannibalize just for the batteries. So he resurrected the victory, and is able to ride that. I asked him if he tried other places to solve the battery problem for the zero? He said he has tried everything he can think of and everything that people on the blogs have suggested. The zero company talked him through the charging ritual and had him do the checklist to ensure that things were set up correctly and that he was doing it correctly. He was doing everything correctly, and the zero company told him that his battery is toast. If the new electric zero is approximately $15,000, I would have no way of knowing that, I have no interest in electric motorcycles. None. A footnote. I was looking on eBay for a possible battery for my buddy and I happen to find a battery for a two year old tesla automobile for sale. Now we’re talking about a two-year-old tesla battery out of a wrecked Tesla for sale on eBay. The starting price was $26,500 I’m not even slightly interested in teslas anymore either. Because I tend to keep my vehicles a long time. How long? I owned a Ford E150 van that I bought new in 1977, until 2008. Also: I own a 1958MGA that I bought in 1968. I still own it. I have a 1994 Honda pacific coast that I used for all these years as a commuter. I kept my 1986 Yamaha venture royale for 18 years, 138,000 trouble free miles.I still on my 1974 Yamaha RD 250 club racer Box Stock roadracing machine that I won six championships on/2 time national champion on.(AMA--W.E.R.A.) I have a Gibson electric guitar that I have owned since 1966.. My point is, I take care of my stuff, I keep things a long time if I like it..I just can’t see that ever happening with an electric motorcycle when the batteries cost almost twice as much as the vehicle did new.
Hey, William! Here is a link for you with the explanations why multiple gears transmissions are not appropriate for electric powertrains www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a12019034/why-dont-electric-cars-have-multi-gear-transmissions/
The "future" as forced upon everybody else by the "elite" and their government lap dogs. Do you think that all these wastes of oxygen will get rid of all their supercars like McLarens and Ferraris, etc, for plug in you cars? Even Teslas are too expensive for most of the public to buy.
THE FIRST ONE IS DOPE BUT WHAT IS WITH THE LIMITATION OF SPEED ON NEARLY ALL OF THESE BIKES? ARE THERE ANY ELECTRIC BIKES THAT CAN BE TWEAKED? HOPEFULLY THE EASTERN COUNTRIES WILL MAKE THESE THINGS MORE POPULAR AND DRIVE DOWN THE PRICE WITH GOOD COMPETITION CUZ I WOULD REALLY LIKE AN E CYCLE THAT HITS ATLEAST 80-85 MPH WITH A GOOD PRICE TAG LIKE 4-$5000
This really helped me out! The gigabyke grooves go 20 mph and have a 25mile range. When the battery runs low you can pedal also. They cost about 1,500. That fly free smart and the zero fx are the two that I really want. Thank goodness there are so many options.
The Tao Leo. It looks like the daymak em2 but it goes 45 miles per charge and top speed is 50mph. I own the 72v 40ah version. 3000w motor. 100a controller. I've modded in a j1772 level 2 charge port. Payed $5600 new. I love it!!
It's the expected price on their local market. It's still to be determined whether the bike will be entering international markets. But at this price point they should go for it.
@@automotiveterritory Hells yeah. If the specs of 200km range and top speed of 200km/h. $7700 is a very, very good deal. The comparative Zero bikes are more in the $15-20k range
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Have you head of the silverwing? yeah that's a scooter and can safely reach highway speeds. Of course they have the sex appeal of minivan or smart car.
If the EMflux does what is claimed and is built well it is THE breakthrough electric bike as far as I am concerned. For that price it is almost too good to be true compared to the others. So let's see. Will it loose half it's power and range for the basic version?
Curtis Marean you did hear what the topspeed was right?? How long to recharge again??? Bicycles go faster then most of those without all the plastic and wiring and battery’s and... you know planet devouring stuff... don’t accept/support crappy Ideas!! We can do way better!
Love it. Can't meet my needs(yet) but I'm still watching. Battery technology is growing by leaps and bounds. I don't think it will be all that long before an adaquet battery will come along. Meanwhile I'll just have to live with my stinky noisy gasoline bike.
@@automotiveterritory I'd have to go with run time. If the battery pack is removable you could run one while the others recharge. (My phone has a removable battery and I carry several charged batteries all the time.)
An average phone lasts for less than a day. Do you imagine how large the battery pack of a motorcycle is? It don't see a scenario when it can be removable. Unless there will be several battery modules that could be extracted and be taken for charging.
I own two...paid $1800 for my first, $4000 for my second. Bike 1 top speed 50kmph second bike top speed 105kmph I weigh 180lb. Both are VERY FUN to ride. Dont have one? Get ine!
The 500Watt bikes are exactly what I'm looking for in terms of styling but I need something that can do at least 85 mph for at least 60 miles preferably for less than 3,000.
Price and range are the main concerns for me. Top speed doesn't have to be massive- I don't want to exceed the speed limit on a bike. If it maxes out at 65 or 70 I'm good, I just want to be able to cruise comfortably at 45 or 55 most of the time while having the capability to go a little faster if need be. The range needs to be over 100 miles for sure, 200 would be the long term goal, and the price needs to be less than 10k in order to interest me. I could go with less speed and range up to a point if the price is more like 5k. If you look at something like the Harley electric bike, that is a well put together machine that already has the type of performance I'm looking for- but I won't spend 30k on it. No way. It's coming along though, and at some point there's going to be a breakthrough model that performs well and is priced within the range that I'm willing to pay.
My idea of commuting and your idea of commuting are 2 different things I need a range of minimum 80 miles at 60 mph for it to be of any practicality to me I might had well stick with gas power, cant stop half way to work and wait 30 minutes to get half a charge assuming I find a power source.....
I wonder how much it would cost if I was to just take this old blown up GSXR and put a fork truck motor on it with a couple deep cycle dry cell marine batteries? The Yale fork truck weighs 5000 lbs compared to a 600 lb GSXR and the fork truck would go 20 mph forward and reverse. You could do a lot with gearing the chain and sprockets.
A e-bike (bicycle) may be a much better value. You can more range at a cheaper price. You can ride street or bike path. No registration fee. No insurance. No license or license plates. No helmet, you lock it to a bike rack. And you can get away with things on a bicycle (legally) that you can not on motorcycle. Most inexpensive e motorcycles don't go fast enough to travel on highways anyway.
I can only think of two benefits of having this: charging at home or having a set of batteries and changing between charged and empty ones. Is it something that you are expecting from electric motorcycles?
@@automotiveterritory I mainly want a "standard" battery type so I can find a cheap replacement battery in 10 years without having to worry if the company will still in business. Do I want a highway speed motorcycle that uses swappable batteries? Sure. It would be great to pull up to a store, swap batteries, and keep going for long cross country road trips, but it's not my main concern. That's years down the road.
Manufacturers don't like standardization and unfortunately it hurts consumers the most. I do have to agree with you on this one - the industry still has a long way to go but we all have to give them credit for reaching this level of development already. Newer bikes are going to surprise us more and more in the nearest future.
There is Indonesian Matic electric motorcycles named Gesit, it had top speed up to 70km/hr. Range 60km, and just 2000$. u can buy more Battery to get 30km range just for 300$ each.
Australia: We are an affluent western country with an entrenched urban motorcycle culture. Shut up and take our money Manufacturers, importers and retailers: *blank stare*
how can they make such an awesome invention as a electric motorcycle but they can't figure out that the guy narrating this video can't speak understandable, clear English
Now certainly seems like the time when e-motorbikes are starting to address the mass market. The closest yet to matching product to market would have to be Zero. A lot of the bikes shown here are styled on the current look of conventional sports ICE bikes. I thing the next 18 months will prove the market demand for e-motorcycles made with the standard seat posture can go 100 miles / 160 kms on a single charge has LED lights (Zeros don’t yet!) and has a base price point around $4500 and with extras up to $6000 (£5000 or €5500). Meanwhile I’ll wait and keep watching - as I continue to get about town on my 2000watt hub motor e-mountain-bike - top speed 36 mph range 10 to 16 miles - cost 3 years ago £1500.
Electric motors do offer lots of torque right away but the range only depends on the size of the battery. Large batteries make such bikes too expensive or too heavy.
@@automotiveterritory plus any manufactures leaning to capacitor storage? I was hoping C-Motives work would contributed to this line of industry, yet haven't seen them reach out to this sector of products. I thankyou for responding to my questions. I would peak at Shezen electrostatic motors if not C-Motives. I would call these motors e field motors as it follows the principles of compacitance.
If you're going 20 mph on an electric bike, why not just get one if those pedal bikes with an electric motor strapped on? Cheaper and more suited to the laws and environment of cities. What I think the sweet spot is for a real electric motorcycle is $8, 000.00 or less, simple fiberglass body with steel frame, and spend the rest of the budget on the best motor and batteries you can. Cost to produce should be like 2 k or less in materials. And labor costs shouldn't be much as it would simply be spraying out some fiberglass, or even using frn plastic in all reality, and assembling outside parts. There's a guy who made a Plywood electric bike that shows how cheaply and well these things can be done up.
Pricing is better however some lacked the power and speed, 20mph is not impressive, those are electric scooter speeds. Bikes like the ones we just saw should do a minimum of 55mph you know what it don't matter I'll modify mine to reach those speeds.
It seems to me that ev should be able to produce speeds in excess of 100mph. I also think that they are too small. They need one designed for larger people with longer battery life.
The main street where I live has a speed limit of 50 mph. The average speed limit is 45 mph. Not one of these would I take on the freeway. Most of these you would be riding in the bicycle lane. None of them would I consider buying.
the conversion kits for older small bikes are a good idea the people that need these live in places where the public transportation is poor and so are they...50 mph and range of 40 miles and charge times with short charge times to get it charged if you live some where they have rolling black outs
I think the range and speed are still 20 to 50% less than they need to be for American riders, as our distances traveled and speed we travel require 80mph for highways and 55mph townish style driving.
True. Affordable electric models will be there soon. For now I recommend you watching a video about impressive electric superbikes. Dont mind the prices, though ;) th-cam.com/video/REn6rczPT2I/w-d-xo.html Here is a link
I believe a moped is a motorcycle that has pedals, and if I'm not mistaken these bikes, don't have them. Underpowered? Yes, but motorcycles nonetheless
When I saw the specs for the DayMak EM2 I thought that must be a misprint. 20mph top speed and a range of 37 miles, neither of which would encourage sales. At least it tries to look the part.
There are electric motorcycles that don't lack neither in the speed, nor the range department but they are not affordable, so I didn't mention them here. As for the affordable options, they can make amazing city commuters and could be charged whenever you are not using them.
Still way to expensive for a short distance electric snail. They need to cruise at 55mph with at least a 200 mile range. Also Ro-Bo voice sucks commode water.
When talking about technology we should always manage our expectations. Expecting a bike to go over 200 miles on a charge is, while still keeping it in the affordable price range is close to impossible. These are battery operated vehicles, just like our cell phones and laptops. If you get more range, you also get a heavier vehicle with a higher price.
there is only a dozen good E-motorcycles and sad to say he onlye showed like 2 decent ones on here, just youtube E-motor Cycle Super bikes you will find the good ones on here ...they blow away normal ones in everything speed no need for fuel.....you can find the races also from the battery ones agains the gas ones.
@@automotiveterritory India are master of make cheap motor cycle with Best freacher and performance Okinawa I praise 75kmph speed with 200 km renege price just 1500$
Well he is not talking about Indian markets. He is talking about International markets. Yes bikes upto $10000 are affordable in International markets not in India. They don't care about Indian markets. Strategy in Indian markets are different from International market. Emflux is Indian startup but I think they will have to move out of Indian market if they want to make some revenue out of that product.
I have super soco for 1.5 year... Best price vs performance ratio! Far better than traditional petrol/fossil fuel counter parts... No maintenance done what so ever...
Automotive Territory: Trending News & Car Reviews | But why?!? I know it’s cheaper but it totally obsolete technology for that purpose. They could have as well put a steam engine in its place 😐
@@automotiveterritory Of course not but at the end of the day if you're in America better off just buying a bike here would be cheaper but if some these companies started making bikes over here I would definitely be into supporting them
They are still expensive for the range they offer. At this rate I think we cannot adopt to EVs especially electric bikes. This will have tremendous impact on developing countries where the average income is only 1000$ per month
They are expensive for sure. The thing is that like all new technologies electric vehicles and bikes do cost more. Manufacturers are spending a lot of the research and development, so this is one of the factors that is driving the price up.
I mean if riding around on an over priced per performance electric bike is what you want. A used Kawasaki Ninja 300 would be cheaper and out perform this bike in ever category.
I just have to be honest about this. If I can't keep up with interstate traffic speeds then I'm not interested in one. also I would rather sacrifice cargo room for more batteries to give me more range.
I'll pass on Ching Chang and Chung.......... have to wait till the Japanese put realistic electric bikes on the market even then give it five years of Guinea pigging before consideration
In this case, you won't have to wait for long. Yamaha have already started applying for patents in this field. So their electric motorcycle is only a matter of time.
@@automotiveterritory hey buddy ultraviolette f77 bike is finally out for launch. Already been reviewed by many youtubers can you make a video on that...
>Incredibly badass designs
>Top speed: 30KM/h
WTF
Do all of them have 30km/h top speed?
That's because it's an e-bike, a pedal bike with a motor. It's not an electric motorcycle. Why? You don't need a license or insurance etc. It's just a standard pedal bike. Despite this, they can usually do more than double that speed. They're simply limited to comply with regulations.
In china you don't need license for thos, hence the sporty designs for a city scooter.
@@automotiveterritory Do all of them have badass designs?
No the first one was at 200kmh
If it can’t go 80 k or 50 mph it’s not a motorcycle and a waste of time.
We have to keep in mind that I featured bikes in the lower price range. Of course there are faster and more powerful bikes out there, for example Zero S, but it's going to cost over $10k.
How often do you go over 30 mph in city streets?
Automotive Territory: Trending News & Car Reviews ... during my commute I see 50, 60, 70 and 80km speed limits. A limit of 50 kph would be dangerous on those roads. Not trying to pick a fight here but a street legal vehicle that can’t keep up with traffic is not worth buying or promoting it’s just a toy.
Ed S
Agreed. At the moment a 125cc bike is better value for money.
30 mph is 50km/h, so this should be enough for commuting within the city. The top speed of these bikes is limited on purpose, so the riders could get on these with a basic moped license.
20mph for $3000 I can pedal up to 15....
True, true. Can't argue with that
You could also just buy a $300 electric scooter that goes up to 15mph, and save the other $2700 lol
You can buy an electric bike who can reach 60 mph for around 2500$
I can do 25mph on my racing bike lol and faster on my electric assist bicycle lol.. I can't imagine blowing past a moterbike
It's the "coolest" bike you can drive without a driver license. The law max is 500 watts and 20mph
I like what i see thanks for the content man. The zero fx is my favorite because of its offroad capability
You are very welcome. I would say that the Zero bike is probably my favorite model as well
Wth dude why would you ride a supersport looking bike that goes 20mph
Have you seen a supersport on this list that goes 20mph?
@@automotiveterritory i forgot to put looking
I see, that changes everything.
@@automotiveterritory to get laid of course. Just bring a paper bag for that chick.
If you lean your head forward you can hit 21mph
Lol. good one
EMFLUX.........is looks AWESOME! If they keep that price, I will surely buy one!
International availability is a big issue for any new company. But I wish these guys the best of luck and I do hope they make it, as there seems to be a lot of people, who are already interested in their bike.
these things will probably never take off in the northwestern hemisphere if the do not do something about the top-speed and range.
How much range would you need and what is the top speed that will make you comfortable?
@@automotiveterritory The top speed should be at least 130 kph
Julian Davies, most of them are intended to be ‘city bikes’, capable of handling city traffic speeds, and more than capable of handling the distances traveled by city commuters. The more expensive ones will handle commuting into or out of a city.
I'm with Theo on this one. Highway speeds are not the absolutely vital requirement for electric bikes, since many are only made for daily commute.
you'd like it if it was loud
Releases of new electric motorcycles have become a common thing now. Here are some of the latest models that besides being new have relatively low prices. Which one do you like the most?
White ghost but can you buy i dont see it available yet
It's expected to be released soon.
Your vids keep popping up as suggestions and I have loved every one.. You give all the right information and don't over explain stuff, which is great.. Excellent quality videos.. You just got a new subscriber!.. Cheers from Canada :)
Thanks! Comments like yours keep me going.
Your welcome!.. You make me very interested in these vehicles you cover lol.. You should have several million subs
I won't mind that 😊! Getting there every single new subscriber at a time!
I'm Japanese living in Canada so my first language isn't English.. That means I don't understand much when TH-camrs talky talky forever just to take up time.. I definitely appreciate your content style because you get to the point and move on.. My husband is a motorcycle lover and just encouraged me to get my bike license so we can ride together.. I said I want an electric bike, so after watching this he is interested in pre-ordering an Emflux for me because I love it lol.. He is a motorcycle lover, as well as an off road lover who's passions are motorcycles and we absolutely love overlanding touring.. You have excellent videos on these topics that i'll share to our like minded friends on social media, and tell them to subscribe lol... Do you have a top overland touring vehicles, video?.. I'll go through your videos to check lol
Lots of highways in Texas. We need greater speeds. 70 mph minimum. I love the design of that Sur-ron White Ghost. If only it went a bit faster
The faster options right now only include Zero S and Lightning Strike.
I have the 2019 CSC City Slicker. It goes 50 MPH and I absolutely love it. I think some of the comments here will be less than nice but I'm having fun on it.
It's important for everyone to manage expectations electric motorcycles. Small bikes like yours could make a great alternative to public transport. Would you recommend a bike like yours to a friend?
The Electric Gas Station how the hell that pushing 50
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Because he is not a big Homie. He is probably 5ft2in and maybe a buck and change in terms of weight.
How much?
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20 mph top speed is not road worth
It's a road hazard and POS
How often do you travel in the city at speeds exceeding 30mph? Also there are much faster bikes on this list, have you considered them?
@@automotiveterritory
Answer every day that I ride.
And based on the prices, I can get a 600 Vulcan that has more range and is faster than any of these toys.
Maybe when they figure out how to to connect the electric motor to an actual transmission, they'll get the same speed and range of a standard gasoline bike.
Maybe when Kawasaki/Suzuki/Yamaha purchase the electric motor and battery tech and mate it to one of their chassis & transmission.
@@automotiveterritory every single day because I don't live in a congested, poorly designed, large city.
@@automotiveterritory I never go under 45 unless in a parking lot or neighborhood
The Daymak EM2 actually does 66KMH with the limiter off and with a lithium upgrade it could easily do 180km range with the right "mah" you can also change out the 500watt motor and throw on a 6000 to 8000 watt if you wanted, they're only $700.
There's also the EMMO Zone GTS almost the same look as the Daymak EM2 but with a bigger front body flare.
How much customizations like you described could possibly cost? More people should know about it.
Oh this should be at the top comments no 🧢
I am interested in purchasing the Super Soco TC Max. I am in NY City. How do I proceed to obtain the bike? Is it available with spoked wheels instead of alloy?
There is a list of official websites in the description. Information about local availability could be obtained there.
When will White Ghost be released in 2019?
It should be available on domestic market already. As for the international sales, it's hard to find any information right now.
$42,000. I am not kidding. That is the cost of replacement batteries for a zero electric motorcycle. There are seven batteries, each battery is $6000 in a zero. Don’t believe me, do the research before you even consider buying one, then come back here and give me the thumbs up I deserve for warning you.....
Can you please share the sources? New latest generation bike could be bought for $15k new.
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My resources are first-hand testimony from a disillusioned zero owner.. he owns a business/ body shop/ collision shop.. he repairs wrecked cars for customers, or he buys totaled cars and fixes them and sells them himself. He does the same with motorcycles. That’s how he bought the zero a few years ago. It was totaled, mostly because of expensive road rash to parts but basically sound. He Repaired the superficial damage to the zero and had been riding it for a couple years. We share the same enthusiasm for Italian motorcycles. Owns many Ducati/Moto Moroni / guzzi Machines. He likes unusual bikes..That’s why he bought the zero for himself.
I was in his shop having my own Guzzi to him for its annual state inspection sticker a few days ago (today’s date is June 9, 2019). I noticed the zero still sitting where it was sitting almost a year ago at his shop. I asked him what’s the story with that now. He told me the story about the batteries being $42,000. he told me,The battery pack consists of seven batteries, $6000 each.
I ask him how much are these motorcycles new? He said when these came out they were around $20,000. But he did not buy his machine new..He bought it totaled from an insurance company.
I asked him how did this happen to your battery. He said, he went on to a blog for electric motorcycles. One of the bloggers suggested that he would get greater range if he would discharge his batteries and then charge them. And that’s exactly what happened. He discharged the batteries, but they would not come back. He called zero company, and they told him that those batteries were in danger of catching fire in that discharged state. The batteries had actually swollen up / the cases of the batteries were bulging.
He also has another electric motorcycle very similar to the zero called a victory. He bought it totaled from an insurance company, in hopes of getting the battery out of it to use in his zero. But when the motorcycle arrived, it was in too good of shape to cannibalize just for the batteries. So he resurrected the victory, and is able to ride that. I asked him if he tried other places to solve the battery problem for the zero? He said he has tried everything he can think of and everything that people on the blogs have suggested. The zero company talked him through the charging ritual and had him do the checklist to ensure that things were set up correctly and that he was doing it correctly. He was doing everything correctly, and the zero company told him that his battery is toast.
If the new electric zero is approximately $15,000, I would have no way of knowing that, I have no interest in electric motorcycles. None.
A footnote.
I was looking on eBay for a possible battery for my buddy and I happen to find a battery for a two year old tesla automobile for sale. Now we’re talking about a two-year-old tesla battery out of a wrecked Tesla for sale on eBay. The starting price was $26,500
I’m not even slightly interested in teslas anymore either. Because I tend to keep my vehicles a long time. How long? I owned a Ford E150 van that I bought new in 1977, until 2008. Also: I own a 1958MGA that I bought in 1968. I still own it. I have a 1994 Honda pacific coast that I used for all these years as a commuter. I kept my 1986 Yamaha venture royale for 18 years, 138,000 trouble free miles.I still on my 1974 Yamaha RD 250 club racer Box Stock roadracing machine that I won six championships on/2 time national champion on.(AMA--W.E.R.A.)
I have a Gibson electric guitar that I have owned since 1966..
My point is, I take care of my stuff, I keep things a long time if I like it..I just can’t see that ever happening with an electric motorcycle when the batteries cost almost twice as much as the vehicle did new.
Why not use the gear box like the gas version? This doesn't make sense. Would it be easier on the motor?
Hey, William! Here is a link for you with the explanations why multiple gears transmissions are not appropriate for electric powertrains www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a12019034/why-dont-electric-cars-have-multi-gear-transmissions/
Just finished watching your 2018 video and found this one instead. HUGE LEAP in the electric industry. This is nice.
It's going to be exciting to see how far these go in a coupe of years, don't you think?
Nice selection of bikes. What happens to all those batteries once there dead....land fill ?
All batteries have to be recycled, as far as I'm concerned it applies not only to batteries used in EVs.
Electricity is the future, and the future is now. Thanks for the vid.
You are very welcome! Have any of these bikes got on your shopping list?
I'm not thinking of buying right now, however when I will it will definitely be something electric. Cheers
Best of luck with the purchase!
The "future" as forced upon everybody else by the "elite" and their government lap dogs. Do you think that all these wastes of oxygen will get rid of all their supercars like McLarens and Ferraris, etc, for plug in you cars? Even Teslas are too expensive for most of the public to buy.
What motorcycle was the one from the intro on the video? The one painted camo driving through a warehouse?
List of all bikes that were shown here could be found in the description.
THE FIRST ONE IS DOPE BUT WHAT IS WITH THE LIMITATION OF SPEED ON NEARLY ALL OF THESE BIKES? ARE THERE ANY ELECTRIC BIKES THAT CAN BE TWEAKED? HOPEFULLY THE EASTERN COUNTRIES WILL MAKE THESE THINGS MORE POPULAR AND DRIVE DOWN THE PRICE WITH GOOD COMPETITION CUZ I WOULD REALLY LIKE AN E CYCLE THAT HITS ATLEAST 80-85 MPH WITH A GOOD PRICE TAG LIKE 4-$5000
Most of the affordable models come from Eastern countries already.
This really helped me out! The gigabyke grooves go 20 mph and have a 25mile range. When the battery runs low you can pedal also. They cost about 1,500. That fly free smart and the zero fx are the two that I really want. Thank goodness there are so many options.
It's good to see somebody excited about such bikes for a change.
The use sur-ron white ghost is so so so cool!!!
The Tao Leo. It looks like the daymak em2 but it goes 45 miles per charge and top speed is 50mph. I own the 72v 40ah version. 3000w motor. 100a controller. I've modded in a j1772 level 2 charge port. Payed $5600 new. I love it!!
Nice suggestion, I will check it out
Early days for this industry, 10 years into the future & i`ll be a happy pensioner re-living my youth if i remember to charge it
The industry is slowly picking up and we are very likely to see better and more affordable models in the near future.
Great video
I can use one of these to drive to the weed shop everyday 🤣
Not bad. Just make sure to come back home before consuming anything ;)
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great vid I like that emflux bike but I still think that petrol bikes are better
Better in terms of performance?
@@automotiveterritory sometimes yes and sometimes no
@@automotiveterritory do you have any fav bikes on this list?
I guess the Surron is kinda interesting. But the Zero still remains a solid choice
Really the cost of Emflux Bike is 7.700?
It's the expected price on their local market. It's still to be determined whether the bike will be entering international markets. But at this price point they should go for it.
@@automotiveterritory Hells yeah. If the specs of 200km range and top speed of 200km/h. $7700 is a very, very good deal. The comparative Zero bikes are more in the $15-20k range
Maybe less than 7k I'm from India
What are the latest lo Al news about the Emflux?
These are not motorcycles, barely scooters!!!
You thick or what. Scooters can't reach highway speeds. They're ment for light town work and kids can ride them.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Have you head of the silverwing? yeah that's a scooter and can safely reach highway speeds. Of course they have the sex appeal of minivan or smart car.
Whats a Eliecwic motorcycle? I sure as heck dont want them to take over
They are very likely to take over in the future though.
Hi, I think would be really convenient if you also added manufacturer links.
The information about all of the bikes that are shown in my videos are in the description.
Why does the slicker look a lot like the grom ?
It was either inspired by Grom or was purposefully made to look like this in order to lure some of the grom crowd away.
If the EMflux does what is claimed and is built well it is THE breakthrough electric bike as far as I am concerned. For that price it is almost too good to be true compared to the others. So let's see. Will it loose half it's power and range for the basic version?
It's hard to tell at the moment. As of right now, it looks very promising. But we could only see the full picture once it fully hits the market.
Emlux had said that they'll produce only limited bikes
There’s also the Rieju Nuuk that could make this list.
Though I guess not yet available in the US
As far as I remember it's marketed as a scooter or a moped. It have featured it in one of my previous videos.
I like the city slicker. Get it able to go 65mph and double the range and it would be awesome.
The price would probably double with the specs, would it still be appealing to you?
65 mph so km?
interesting! I like it, and I live in the north east U.S.!
Glad you liked the video! Hope many of these bikes will be sold close to you soon
Curtis Marean you did hear what the topspeed was right?? How long to recharge again??? Bicycles go faster then most of those without all the plastic and wiring and battery’s and... you know planet devouring stuff... don’t accept/support crappy Ideas!! We can do way better!
Mad Daymak. I can cycle more than 20 mph
It's done to make this bike fit with certain regulations. As for being able to continuously cycle at 20mph speed, great job!
That 2k emotorcyxle , you can get an ebike, that goes 30mhp less charge time
I want a Daymak rogue but I want it to at least get to 80mph
Unfortunately they had to limit the speed and specifications of this particular bike.
Range: 100km. Top speed: 80km/h. Those parameters would make the ideal electric motorcycle to me
How much do you think a machine with such specifications should go for?
Love it. Can't meet my needs(yet) but I'm still watching. Battery technology is growing by leaps and bounds. I don't think it will be all that long before an adaquet battery will come along. Meanwhile I'll just have to live with my stinky noisy gasoline bike.
Would you rather have a battery that lasts longer or one that charges faster?
@@automotiveterritory I'd have to go with run time. If the battery pack is removable you could run one while the others recharge. (My phone has a removable battery and I carry several charged batteries all the time.)
An average phone lasts for less than a day. Do you imagine how large the battery pack of a motorcycle is? It don't see a scenario when it can be removable. Unless there will be several battery modules that could be extracted and be taken for charging.
does the Super Soco ship to the United States (HAWAII)
You will have to verify with the manufacturer. The links to the websites are in the description
I own two...paid $1800 for my first, $4000 for my second. Bike 1 top speed 50kmph second bike top speed 105kmph I weigh 180lb. Both are VERY FUN to ride. Dont have one? Get ine!
May I ask what models are those?
Do you really need dual discs up front for 20mph top speed?
Good point. Should have saved up on the discs and installed a bigger battery ;)
The 500Watt bikes are exactly what I'm looking for in terms of styling but I need something that can do at least 85 mph for at least 60 miles preferably for less than 3,000.
I'm afraid electric bikes aren't there yet. The closest to your specifications are Zero motorcycles, but they start at $7,000
@@automotiveterritory the RV400 is pretty close but It doesn't look like it's going to be available in America :(
I wonder how these dohikers are
They look pretty sturdy
The white ghost headlight is hilarious. It looks like =O
Price and range are the main concerns for me. Top speed doesn't have to be massive- I don't want to exceed the speed limit on a bike. If it maxes out at 65 or 70 I'm good, I just want to be able to cruise comfortably at 45 or 55 most of the time while having the capability to go a little faster if need be. The range needs to be over 100 miles for sure, 200 would be the long term goal, and the price needs to be less than 10k in order to interest me. I could go with less speed and range up to a point if the price is more like 5k. If you look at something like the Harley electric bike, that is a well put together machine that already has the type of performance I'm looking for- but I won't spend 30k on it. No way. It's coming along though, and at some point there's going to be a breakthrough model that performs well and is priced within the range that I'm willing to pay.
The industry is not there yet but it is evolving fast. Hopefully that soon we will get more options, better performance and competitive prices.
My idea of commuting and your idea of commuting are 2 different things I need a range of minimum 80 miles at 60 mph for it to be of any practicality to me I might had well stick with gas power, cant stop half way to work and wait 30 minutes to get half a charge assuming I find a power source.....
These are intended for city commuting. How often do you hit 60mph within the urban area?
I wonder how much it would cost if I was to just take this old blown up GSXR and put a fork truck motor on it with a couple deep cycle dry cell marine batteries? The Yale fork truck weighs 5000 lbs compared to a 600 lb GSXR and the fork truck would go 20 mph forward and reverse. You could do a lot with gearing the chain and sprockets.
And I may be wrong about the GSXR weight. It may be lighter than 600 lbs. But batteries aren't usually light weight.
A e-bike (bicycle) may be a much better value. You can more range at a cheaper price. You can ride street or bike path. No registration fee. No insurance. No license or license plates. No helmet, you lock it to a bike rack. And you can get away with things on a bicycle (legally) that you can not on motorcycle. Most inexpensive e motorcycles don't go fast
enough to travel on highways anyway.
Bicycles are limited to 500W of power, otherwise you'd need to get it registered.
@@automotiveterritory people in US do DIY 750W, 1000W, 1500W ebikes all the time.
I need a mx one. These golf courses have been screaming my name. I can hit them at night and no one hear me.
uuuh the emflux one looks hot!!
Result of rising India under the guidance of Narendra Modi.
@@rakeshbiswas1501 modi has nothing to do with emflux. This bike is designed by skilled professionals and talented minds of few Bangaluru youths
Wake me up when the standard swappable battery motorcycles arrive 😴🛌
I can only think of two benefits of having this: charging at home or having a set of batteries and changing between charged and empty ones. Is it something that you are expecting from electric motorcycles?
@@automotiveterritory I mainly want a "standard" battery type so I can find a cheap replacement battery in 10 years without having to worry if the company will still in business. Do I want a highway speed motorcycle that uses swappable batteries? Sure. It would be great to pull up to a store, swap batteries, and keep going for long cross country road trips, but it's not my main concern. That's years down the road.
Manufacturers don't like standardization and unfortunately it hurts consumers the most. I do have to agree with you on this one - the industry still has a long way to go but we all have to give them credit for reaching this level of development already. Newer bikes are going to surprise us more and more in the nearest future.
How would you change from torque into velocity to increase range.
Dymak Rouge seems like a good buy.
For short city commuters probably.
There is Indonesian Matic electric motorcycles named Gesit, it had top speed up to 70km/hr. Range 60km, and just 2000$. u can buy more Battery to get 30km range just for 300$ each.
I haven't encountered this model yet. I'll take a look for sure.
Australia: We are an affluent western country with an entrenched urban motorcycle culture. Shut up and take our money
Manufacturers, importers and retailers: *blank stare*
The supply doesn't meet the Australian demand? Huh?
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Sad story. I hear the prices are higher as well.
how can they make such an awesome invention as a electric motorcycle but they can't figure out that the guy narrating this video can't speak understandable, clear English
I see that you tried to post a rhetorical question. But who is it addressed to?
Now certainly seems like the time when e-motorbikes are starting to address the mass market. The closest yet to matching product to market would have to be Zero. A lot of the bikes shown here are styled on the current look of conventional sports ICE bikes. I thing the next 18 months will prove the market demand for e-motorcycles made with the standard seat posture can go 100 miles / 160 kms on a single charge has LED lights (Zeros don’t yet!) and has a base price point around $4500 and with extras up to $6000 (£5000 or €5500). Meanwhile I’ll wait and keep watching - as I continue to get about town on my 2000watt hub motor e-mountain-bike - top speed 36 mph range 10 to 16 miles - cost 3 years ago £1500.
These are beautiful motorcycles, yet for gas engine have less torque then range how can we take the access torque of electric motor into range.
Electric motors do offer lots of torque right away but the range only depends on the size of the battery. Large batteries make such bikes too expensive or too heavy.
@@automotiveterritory do any of the motorcycles use a planetary gearing or only direct drive.
@@automotiveterritory plus any manufactures leaning to capacitor storage? I was hoping C-Motives work would contributed to this line of industry, yet haven't seen them reach out to this sector of products. I thankyou for responding to my questions. I would peak at Shezen electrostatic motors if not C-Motives. I would call these motors e field motors as it follows the principles of compacitance.
In most cases they are direct drive bikes.
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Is this your favorite one of them all?
@@automotiveterritory yes, I really like. 0-100 3sec. and this is sport motorcycle.
Excited to see it hit the market, especially at this price.
Is my favorite too, good rang, mileage, quick acceleration and fast charging, plus an sporty look
china VOGE manufactures the white ghost, I couldnt find much on it under Sur-ron
As far as I remember they had some sort of a deal regarding this model.
If you're going 20 mph on an electric bike, why not just get one if those pedal bikes with an electric motor strapped on? Cheaper and more suited to the laws and environment of cities. What I think the sweet spot is for a real electric motorcycle is $8, 000.00 or less, simple fiberglass body with steel frame, and spend the rest of the budget on the best motor and batteries you can. Cost to produce should be like 2 k or less in materials. And labor costs shouldn't be much as it would simply be spraying out some fiberglass, or even using frn plastic in all reality, and assembling outside parts. There's a guy who made a Plywood electric bike that shows how cheaply and well these things can be done up.
Do one on scooters, electric road scooters you know like piaggio.
I will see what I can do.
Pricing is better however some lacked the power and speed, 20mph is not impressive, those are electric scooter speeds. Bikes like the ones we just saw should do a minimum of 55mph you know what it don't matter I'll modify mine to reach those speeds.
Cheap is great, but the range sucks. Evs need to surpass gas/petrol.
Why? I personally think that there are people, who are after low running costs.
It seems to me that ev should be able to produce speeds in excess of 100mph. I also think that they are too small. They need one designed for larger people with longer battery life.
The main street where I live has a speed limit of 50 mph. The average speed limit is 45 mph. Not one of these would I take on the freeway. Most of these you would be riding in the bicycle lane. None of them would I consider buying.
These are not for bicycle lanes. They are for public roads and the most suitable for riding around the city (the 50mph limit that you mentioned).
@@automotiveterritory LMAO Some of them are very slow, too slow. You would get a ticket where I live.
They are slow for a reason, one would only need a moped license to operate these. Or no license at all (depending where you live).
the conversion kits for older small bikes are a good idea the people that need these
live in places where the public transportation is poor and so are they...50 mph and range of 40
miles and charge times with short charge times to get it charged if you live some where they have rolling black outs
It's a great idea. Hopefully someone can some up with a universal conversion kit.
I think the range and speed are still 20 to 50% less than they need to be for American riders, as our distances traveled and speed we travel require 80mph for highways and 55mph townish style driving.
True. Affordable electric models will be there soon.
For now I recommend you watching a video about impressive electric superbikes. Dont mind the prices, though ;)
th-cam.com/video/REn6rczPT2I/w-d-xo.html
Here is a link
I believe prices will drop much lower due to the demand of no emissions
How much do you think these should cost after the long awaited drop?
Man these things will leave you stranded in Texas but with in walking distance:)
As of today, electric vehicles are more suitable for city riding. And they are actually amazing if you don't need to take very long trips.
@@automotiveterritory so they are mopeds?
I believe a moped is a motorcycle that has pedals, and if I'm not mistaken these bikes, don't have them. Underpowered? Yes, but motorcycles nonetheless
@@automotiveterritory not all mopeds have pedals. I had a Yamaha that didn't.
When I saw the specs for the DayMak EM2 I thought that must be a misprint. 20mph top speed and a range of 37 miles, neither of which would encourage sales. At least it tries to look the part.
It's not a misprint. Such specifications were introduced for a reason.
@@automotiveterritory And that reason would be ?
Very short city commute. Though, I dont blame people who find these specs ridiculous. They are
Like the idea of electric motorbike, but the price range and performance not that great at present. Hopefully that will change soon.
Great point! It is going to take some time for sure.
The best are: super soco tc max, emflux and evoke
Nice choices!
The lack of range and speed on most electric bikes soI don't see them gaining wide success. Not to mention no one wants to wait an hour to charge up.
There are electric motorcycles that don't lack neither in the speed, nor the range department but they are not affordable, so I didn't mention them here. As for the affordable options, they can make amazing city commuters and could be charged whenever you are not using them.
Still way to expensive for a short distance electric snail. They need to cruise at 55mph with at least a 200 mile range. Also Ro-Bo voice sucks commode water.
When talking about technology we should always manage our expectations. Expecting a bike to go over 200 miles on a charge is, while still keeping it in the affordable price range is close to impossible. These are battery operated vehicles, just like our cell phones and laptops. If you get more range, you also get a heavier vehicle with a higher price.
There are electric motorcycles that will do what you’re asking for, but they’re not budget models. (Look at the top end Zero bikes, for example.)
these are not motorcycles, these are mopeds
Maybe in terms of performance some may be called that but not in terms of size.
With the given specs, these bikes only fall into my range of "curious" not quite "interest" yet.
How about bikes by Zero Motorcycles and Lightning?
there is only a dozen good E-motorcycles and sad to say he onlye showed like 2 decent ones on here, just youtube E-motor Cycle Super bikes you will find the good ones on here ...they blow away normal ones in everything speed no need for fuel.....you can find the races also from the battery ones agains the gas ones.
Appreciate the suggestion. Will check it out
I like the looks of the Super Soco.
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This is not an affordable bike, $900 is an affordable bike in India.
A motorcycle for $900?
@@automotiveterritory India are master of make cheap motor cycle with Best freacher and performance Okinawa I praise 75kmph speed with 200 km renege price just 1500$
They are making scooters, not motorcycles, aren't they?
Well he is not talking about Indian markets. He is talking about International markets.
Yes bikes upto $10000 are affordable in International markets not in India. They don't care about Indian markets. Strategy in Indian markets are different from International market.
Emflux is Indian startup but I think they will have to move out of Indian market if they want to make some revenue out of that product.
I have super soco for 1.5 year... Best price vs performance ratio! Far better than traditional petrol/fossil fuel counter parts... No maintenance done what so ever...
Would you recommend it to a friend?
What is the price? Which country is manufacturing? Is it available in India?
@@automotiveterritory
Yes, i definitely would recommend it to a friend.
@@thankuish
Its made in china, don't know about india, i am from Pakistan... Thanks
Did I hear that right? Daymak Rogue still uses lead-acid battery?!?!
It still does.
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They could have as well put a steam engine in its place 😐
Unfortunately I don't know why they still do.
In nutshell, non American- European brands are most affordable
With shipping these are gonna be way more
Destination fees are never included in the price of the vehicle, are they?
@@automotiveterritory Of course not but at the end of the day if you're in America better off just buying a bike here would be cheaper but if some these companies started making bikes over here I would definitely be into supporting them
Sure. If you are in America you have access to some of the most advanced electric motorcycles.
DAYMAK is basically motorbike exterior with an electric scooter motor
An entry level motorbike.
@@automotiveterritory emove rlectric scooter has the same top speed with higher range at half then price lol....
They will get more sales then.
@@automotiveterritory daymak's sport mode makes the bike goes up to 60kmph but range drops to 20km
Poor audio makes it difficult to understand.
They are still expensive for the range they offer. At this rate I think we cannot adopt to EVs especially electric bikes. This will have tremendous impact on developing countries where the average income is only 1000$ per month
They are expensive for sure. The thing is that like all new technologies electric vehicles and bikes do cost more. Manufacturers are spending a lot of the research and development, so this is one of the factors that is driving the price up.
good show
Glad you liked it! What do you think about the state of the electric motorcycles industry?
2019 Daymak EM2, 20MPH, LED riding lights, 37 mile range, 8-10 hour charge time...
I've had power drills with better stats than this bike.
Still, even with these specs for some it gets the job done.
I mean if riding around on an over priced per performance electric bike is what you want. A used Kawasaki Ninja 300 would be cheaper and out perform this bike in ever category.
I just have to be honest about this. If I can't keep up with interstate traffic speeds then I'm not interested in one. also I would rather sacrifice cargo room for more batteries to give me more range.
These are created to be mainly used as city commuters.
I'll just get a gas motorcycle, just refuel and go. Better mileage too.
Excuse me, how could it have a better mileage if electric motorcycles don't consume gas at all?
I will take a look at the "Mototec".. it is a bike brand, right?
@@automotiveterritory mileage: the aggregate number of miles traveled over in a given time.
I'll pass on Ching Chang and Chung.......... have to wait till the Japanese put realistic electric bikes on the market even then give it five years of Guinea pigging before consideration
In this case, you won't have to wait for long. Yamaha have already started applying for patents in this field. So their electric motorcycle is only a matter of time.
nice racism. :(
0:44 emflux electric superbike😍😍❤
Is it your favorite one of them all?
@@automotiveterritory yes very much👍🏻😁
@@automotiveterritory the most awesome thing is its design is not inspired from any other bike makes it uniquely best..
I'm closely following this startup. Let's see how they do when transitioning to mass production
@@automotiveterritory hey buddy ultraviolette f77 bike is finally out for launch. Already been reviewed by many youtubers can you make a video on that...
5:02 🤭🤮
the here I thought the emflux Bike costs 2300 dollars, Hopes Crushed. I'm not sure if you can call this bikes cheap.
It's hard to find a regular bike for this price, let alone an electric one.