Ramah’s Death and Thomas’ Plea

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  • @heysyd123
    @heysyd123 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +147

    I get why people are upset with this scene. It is upsetting that Jesus was there but didn’t heal her. However, she had enough faith in him to not be healed. She had faith to die. She accepted her death and still had faith in him despite everything. He saw her accept it and her faith. That’s pretty powerful. How many people have/had that much faith?

    • @journeygirl4ever
      @journeygirl4ever 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Beautiful insight! ❤

    • @robynschneider5019
      @robynschneider5019 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@heysyd123 Jesus said it wasn’t her time. Maybe she was healed at her dad’s.

    • @ludivineclaquin872
      @ludivineclaquin872 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A very difficult scene. Because it happens for all of us once or more in our life. We cry. We plead. And we must keep faith because only God knows why. Very very difficulty to explain ….

    • @ericfrontczak8016
      @ericfrontczak8016 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Never mind this was written in

    • @RisingMiracles
      @RisingMiracles 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A loved one died from cancer 2/1/24. That “Do something…” hit hard!!! When you said “she had faith to accept death!!!” Jesus said to me in grief “Will you still love, honor, and worship me when I don’t do what you want Me to do, when you want Me to do it. As I always do it because I’m an on time God!!” Healing doesn’t often come in our human mortal man timing. God is God!! His will is His will!! We often time have to have faith enough to accept it. That science was tough 😮‍💨

  • @dreamhunter2121
    @dreamhunter2121 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    It struck me hard
    " Thomas, Stay with HIM "
    the pain of death is very short because after that we will get an endless time with "HIM"❤️

  • @DeadmanDave
    @DeadmanDave 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    This breaks my heart! I so did not expect Ramah to die!
    I really liked her and wanted her and Thomas to marry and start a family together!

    • @hephzibhakrupaker
      @hephzibhakrupaker 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me too 😢
      But we have to accept the truth

  • @Sorchia56
    @Sorchia56 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    I still cry every single time I watch this, even knowing the end! Brilliant performance.

    • @markprey1278
      @markprey1278 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My Heart stopped for a second

  • @EricA-xd9fn
    @EricA-xd9fn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Give the writers credit for raising uncomfortable theological subject-matter. Yes, it's "not in the Bible", but the underlying question of:
    Why doesn't God answer my prayers? is one of the transcendent cries of all faithful Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

  • @JackieStarSister
    @JackieStarSister 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Normally the male and female disciples have no physical contact with each other, as was proper in their culture; but Thomas immediately go into emergency mode trying to help Ramah, and John even holds Tamar and comforts her as she cries.

  • @MarybelisAlfaro
    @MarybelisAlfaro 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Although this scene is NOT in the bible. It gives an illustration about how Thomas is considered the Apostle of Grief in the Catholic faith. In his journey he experienced loss and still held on to his faith. Therefore, he is a role model for believers who struggle with death, loss, and grief to keep moving on.

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MarybelisAlfaro I knew he had a connection to architects etc I didn’t know he was connected to grief.

  • @cpdfan41
    @cpdfan41 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I'm currently on a season 4 binge and I just finished watching this scene. Long after it finished, i sat on my couch shocked by what I witnessed. This was so heartbreaking to see.
    😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

  • @mariadelcarmenvaldezlozano9534
    @mariadelcarmenvaldezlozano9534 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I have lived that my dad died from covid and i pray and asked and cried to God , jesus please save my dad , my dad died on december 20 2020 , i do no understand why God does or allows whats allows but i know i am not meant to do it i know that jesus is God and i trust in him even in pain and sorrow

  • @James-ke2ir
    @James-ke2ir 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I cant agree with anyone condemning this scene. It perfectly demonstrates the heartache of following Christ sometimes, knowing his power but yielding to the will of God anyway.
    I know it isnt biblical, and as its just as moving as the biblical scenes, its easy to see why people do get upset, as it seems to be adding words into Jesus' mouth. But ofcourse, The Bible hasnt been re written, and it glorifies Christ and His Father and The Spirit
    This scene, not being in the bible, was expertly done for the purposes of The show and to the glory of the Gospel.
    As John said, i am not the light, but i bare witness to the light

    • @igorsirius9178
      @igorsirius9178 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I read some comments about the scene being filmed in a poor way. Like, the way Thomas carries the love of his life, bumping into an angry soldier with a sword in his hand, and keep walking as if it didn't pose a threat to the two of them is kind of illogical. This aspect of the scene really is forced, I can't disagree with that. The scene could have the same ending, but be written/filmed in a more believable way.

    • @Andrew-sr5nq
      @Andrew-sr5nq 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also a good example of yielding to misfortune for the Greater Good is when Jesus was arrested in the Garden. Ever zealous, Peter attempted to defend our Lord, yet Jesus ordered him back saying, "Peter, I could call upon at this moment all the Heavenly Host to deliver me from this. But then, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled?"
      It has only been a week or so since I willingly chose to find my way back to Him, but I find myself shedding tears wishing someone so good didn't have to die. But, I realize that then no one could be saved. Everything, Good or Bad is all a part of the Divine Plan, the bigger picture. Praise be and may his Hand be on my shoulder

  • @edenrios1377
    @edenrios1377 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I know this stirs controversy, but just think of it this way. God doesn't always heal people with cancer. Thousands are healed just like thousands die from it. Everything God does He does with a purpose. I know its hard to understand but this happens in real life, we lose loved ones and Jesus could've prevented that from happening but He always has and will have better plans for us.

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@edenrios1377 I currently live with metastatic breast cancer. That’s stage four. I was diagnosed in March 2023. You’d never know by looking at me because my targeted therapy is working. No chemo or radiation. Hormone therapy and targeted pills. I know for some they don’t work as well as they have for me. I know it’s by the grace of God that it’s working. For some it doesn’t. I don’t understand why so many have such a problem with this scene as someone who tries to be faithful (I fail often like we all do but I try) I know I likely won’t be healed in this life but there is always the possibility. That being said if He’s the same yesterday today and forever…and He sometimes doesn’t heal people of faith then people really do need to acknowledge this is showing a theological truth. We are in the generation of name it and claim it. Sadly I saw a woman who used to be Christian on TikTok who passed away of cancer. Her reason she left Christ was that He didn’t heal her. I often wonder what kind of spiritual formation she had to believe God heals just because we want it. In my opinion it’s such a dangerous teaching. It’s ultimately let thy will be done. Not mine. Too many people treat God as a genie and I’m very tired of it.

    • @SierraGINSPIRE
      @SierraGINSPIRE หลายเดือนก่อน

      🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🦅

  • @cadenorris4009
    @cadenorris4009 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    God, the betrayal thomas felt from Jesus. And then afterwards the raising of Lazarus. I wonder why Jesus did that. It seems so cruel, but then again, this life is cruel.
    I too have had my moments where I've felt betrayed by Jesus, and I'm glad the Chosen includes this even though it's not recorded in the bible, because it makes it so real.
    I am like Thomas.

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@cadenorris4009 God took my husband after only a short time together. But He had His reasons. I can’t get into it all. But I understand better now. The first couple months I didn’t. I now have stage four breast cancer. I was diagnosed with it almost a year and a half to the day he died. It was discovered at stage four I didn’t even have a chance to have it and beat it. I’m stuck with it until it eventually takes me. I have nothing but trust in Christ. People get a chance to fight all over the world. I’m settled with it. I still trust Him. Nothing will shake my faith from Him. We live in a fallen world and everything will make sense to us one day. Thomas will come around. I came around. And I’d never be getting through it all without him. The show made it clear Lazarus was the Father’s will at that particular time for a particular purpose. He didn’t resurrect His own cousin. Or His earthly father Joseph. The Apostles died terrible deaths traditionally. It’s the nature of this world. It’s going to happen but do not lose your faith in Him.

    • @depressedphilosopherbitch7581
      @depressedphilosopherbitch7581 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MrsCambersI'm very sorry about your diagnosis. 😞I hope you stay here long enough to see the end of the show!❤

    • @Eidann63
      @Eidann63 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There was no Ramah and no death its fictitious. Jesus never in his life - according to the Bible - didnt heal when requested. The group that produced this movie said they made it up. They did it with something else as well(fiction) I don’t want to watch this film anymore; sorry you believed it.,

    • @Baijixiong
      @Baijixiong 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MrsCambersthank you for your testimony. I will keep you and your family in prayer ❤️ Blessed be the name of the Lord

    • @eidorialpha5255
      @eidorialpha5255 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      As Peter said later on, "He allows trials in our lives to strengthen and see the genuineness of our faith". Even though it doesn't help, this trial sets him up for the Doubting Thomas we see in the Bible

  • @MoïsePicard-ef8fr
    @MoïsePicard-ef8fr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    R.I.P. Rimah 😢💔🕊️

  • @LuiTheBazui
    @LuiTheBazui 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Guys I cried so much I ended up facing some side effects. First, snot in my nose came out which is kinda disgusting but I freaking got a stomachache at 1am and the next morning I had another 😭

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      My goodness..hopefully it didn’t last too long. When Thomas lay down holding her dead body…I’ve experienced this (albeit in hospital) so it was a bit triggering but I think anyone who has loved and lost felt this hardcore.

    • @LuiTheBazui
      @LuiTheBazui 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@MrsCambers it didn’t last long. I got better after the following stomachache. And I’m sorry for what happened

    • @AJ_Jingco
      @AJ_Jingco หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MrsCambers "I AM your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ✝️ the Son of Man Amen Amen Truly Truly I AM telling you the TRUTH. I will NOT heal you My beloved child Mrs. Cambers from Cancer because your name is already sealed by the Holy Spirit 🕊️ in the Lambs 🐑 Book of Life. And God the Abba Father Yahweh Adonai and I your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ✝️ the Son of Man await you yourself in Heaven. For you My beloved child Mrs. Cambers to be reunited with your husband and ALL your beloved pets in Heaven, I AM telling you the TRUTH Mrs. Cambers both God the Abba Father Yahweh Adonai and I your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ✝️. Are just awaiting your Physical Death for you to be in My Eternal Kingdom in Heaven. Understand this My beloved child Mrs. Cambers both God the Abba Father Yahweh Adonai and I your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ✝️ *LOVES* you with an Eternal Love. And the reason I will NOT heal you from your Cancer, is it would be cruel for Me for you to remain separated from your husband. I AM your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ✝️ the Son of Man Amen Amen Truly Truly I AM telling you the TRUTH." I'm a cradle Catholic and I have NEVER been the Lord Jesus Christ ✝️ I am just the Lord's messenger.

  • @qofmiam
    @qofmiam 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    No why this happend 😭😭😭❤

  • @davemckeown3721
    @davemckeown3721 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤😢🙏

  • @robynschneider5019
    @robynschneider5019 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How about Jesus did bring her back and she and her father find Jesus. Her dad falls at Jesus feet and Ramah and Thomas hug. Her dad gives Raman’s hand to Thomas. Season five? Please?

  • @AJ_Jingco
    @AJ_Jingco หลายเดือนก่อน

    "I AM your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ✝️ the Son of Man Amen Amen Truly Truly I AM telling you the TRUTH. I AM telling you the TRUTH My beloved child Mrs. Cambers I will NOT heal you from your Breast Cancer because your name Mrs. Cambers have already been sealed by the Holy Spirit 🕊️ in the Lambs 🐑 Book of Life. Understand this My beloved child Mrs. Cambers that both I Jesus Christ ✝️ the Son of Man and God the Abba Father Yahweh Adonai *LOVES* you with an Eternal Love. Your husband My beloved child Mrs. Cambers is in Heaven in my Eternal Kingdom, along with ALL of your beloved pets, it would be cruel for Me My beloved child Mrs. Cambers to separate you from your husband in Heaven. That is the ONLY REASON why I will not heal you My beloved child Mrs. Cambers from your Breast Cancer. Understand this My beloved child Mrs. Cambers that both I Jesus Christ ✝️ the Son of Man and God the Abba Father Yahweh Adonai have already prepared for you a *GREAT* reward in Heaven. I LOVE you ❤️ My beloved child Mrs. Cambers and God the Abba Father Yahweh Adonai also LOVES you. I AM your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ✝️ the Son of Man Amen Amen Truly Truly I AM telling you the TRUTH." I'm a cradle Catholic and I have NEVER been the Lord Jesus Christ ✝️ I am just the Lord's messenger.

  • @Eidann63
    @Eidann63 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This never happened; she is not in the Bible and this was made up by the people who wrote The Chosen. They said so. There is was no Ramah. Jesus healed everyone who asked him when he was on earth.

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You are inserting assertions into the text. It never says that. In fact it says He leaves town to go preach elsewhere and if He truly is the same yesterday, today and forever then there are plenty that are not healed out there. If you are a word faith preacher and you come back saying those people just don’t have enough faith you will be removed from my channel because I will not stand for that. There are many people today with strong faith who are not healed .Do you think every funeral Jesus went to He raised the dead? What about walking by graves? I don’t think so.

    • @michaelmatias1158
      @michaelmatias1158 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is true ❤

    • @Eidann63
      @Eidann63 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrsCambers Wow. I never mentioned “raising the dead,” only healing those who asked him to. Clearly Jesus couldn’t have healed everyone everywhere he went while here on earth; but, there are no accounts for Him turning anyone down while here on earth, to my knowledge.
      I would be the last person to ever tell someone they “don’t have enough faith” and “that is why they aren’t healed.” That is certainly not true in my belief.
      I had a healing in my early twenties, alone in my parents kitchen one night. I was quite heartbroken at the time, and it was a very casual request about something quite mundane. I wasn’t asking really seriously. Jesus stopped me mid-sentence in my very simple request - I never finished my words - and touched my forehead. I had to sit down for the surprise and shock of it while it was happening. He healed me of a headache, for His own reasons. It was a gift and a great blessing and has stayed with me all of my life; I am 74 now. I am forever connected to Jesus. 🙏
      I believe he touched me because it was one of the only times I spoke out about him publically in front of a small group of people - very unexpectedly - a few minutes prior. It was through an odd circumstance, not by design, and certainly it was not a healing I expected to have. I believe It was his gift to me to tell me: “yes, I am here.”
      I have asked for many things for others and myself and my children in my life since then, but those requests were not always granted and they were much more serious than that headache. That is his choice for His reasons, He decides, not us.
      That is my true story for you. 🙏

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Eidann63 ok so I have metastatic breast cancer and have asked and I’m not answered. Why? You are saying He is different now than on earth? Is this not the God we say was the same yesterday today and forever? Ok then. The show is plausible leave it alone.

    • @Eidann63
      @Eidann63 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrsCambers I don’t know why you are so angry with me. I never said what you are saying to me.
      I am very sorry to hear of your cancer. I would never suggest that your prayers aren’t being healed for your not having “enough faith.” I don’t believe that and never have.
      God doesn’t need anything from us to perform His miracles.
      I don’t know why Jesus heals some and not others; no one does.
      I will pray for you that you are healed, I know he can do this and I pray he will for you. 🙏

  • @FunkyPhantom-y4l
    @FunkyPhantom-y4l 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What part of the Bible is this at?

    • @MMJ501
      @MMJ501 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Chosen is not a Bible enactment. It’s a Bible based tv series

    • @njrom2975
      @njrom2975 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MMJ501it will cause confusion and disdain , people will still doubt if u make this extra scenes that are not in the Bible , the fact she died and made Thomas dislike jesus

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Jesus didn’t raise his own earthly father nor His cousin John the Baptist. He didn’t heal everyone or resurrect everyone. What you’re saying is nonsense.

    • @mandieboudreaux8369
      @mandieboudreaux8369 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      For the show to make a reason Thomas would doubt his fellow apostles saying they saw Jesus alive again.

    • @mandieboudreaux8369
      @mandieboudreaux8369 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      For the show to make a reason Thomas would doubt his fellow apostles saying they saw Jesus risen.

  • @kenedyrocks1
    @kenedyrocks1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i know they probably only added this scene to develope the character of thomas, but at the same time, it goes against the character of Jesus. Why wouldn't he go to her to comfort her before she passed away? that's my only issue with the scene.

    • @eidorialpha5255
      @eidorialpha5255 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Not necessarily that, it's to mirror how death impacts us and that how sometimes He answers certain prayers and not others. That's why He stands to the side, not necessarily wanting to not be there but as an artistic representation to help us relate with our Savior in circumstances like this

    • @Orlando20201
      @Orlando20201 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@eidorialpha5255yes exactly, it goes to show that even when the hardest things happen and we pray for the opposite to happen and for God to fix it, he has a set plan for us and we really need to trust in that. God bless 🤍

    • @jarethhayden9991
      @jarethhayden9991 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The truth is that even though those left behind on earth suffer because of losing loved ones, the best day of their lives is when they die. For those who love the Lord they are instantly with him in paradise, no more sin or pain. How could we want them taken away from God’s presence, and back into a sinful broken body.

  • @uleadworship725
    @uleadworship725 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is not the God that we serve. I love the chosen but this is not biblically accurate.
    Jesus healed all that came to him to be healed. Even the man that had unbelief. Said Lord help my unbelief and he did. We have to look to the Bible for our faith not the chosen. Remember that brothers and sisters. Our God is a God that heals.

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@uleadworship725 do you believe Christ was the same before, during His life and now 2000 years later? Why then do so many’s prayers for healing go unanswered even though they could be someone fully devoted to Christ? Are you going to victim blame and say they had no faith? If not, you have to be open to the idea that our Lord is the same yesterday, today and forever. If there are times He doesn’t heal now surely there are times He didn’t then. Do you think He went around raising every dead loved one at their funerals?

    • @uleadworship725
      @uleadworship725 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrsCambers The heart of God is to heal every-time. I don’t have all the answers. There are things that we don’t understand. But we serve a good God and in regard to the four gospels Jesus healed all that came to him period. Now there were people he didn’t heal but these people did not come to God. At the pool of Bethesda he only healed the one man and then he left. I don’t understand it all but I know that my Jesus is the healer and if we come to him healing is available. This scene in the chosen does not accurately represent the scriptures or the heart of God.
      This is just my opinion but I believe they depicted this scene in this way so that people who have gone through similar things can relate to loss. They are trying to bring an explanation to loss and suffering and there are just somethings in this life that cannot be explained, & simultaneously they are misrepresenting the Lord Jesus and the true heart of the father. By his stripes we are healed. That is the scripture and the heart of our God. We need to be standing on the word of God and his goodness when the devil comes knocking. As human beings we want to have all of the answers we like to have everything in a box. It makes us feel like we have things figured out. Like Bill Johnson said after he lost his wife. In order to have peace that surpasses understanding you have to give up your understanding.
      My pastor has raised his son and his wife from the dead. That is the God that we serve. The danger of this scene is that leads people to lean on their own understanding. We have to be careful not to base our faith off of a TV show and make sure we base it off of the word of God.

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well my dear there are plenty of good Christian believers who do not get healed . And that was Dallas’ point. God takes people for whatever His reasons may be. There is no reason to think this scene is bad. It reflects what we all experience every day in the church. Loss. Grief. It was not the Father’s will Ramah be healed because He had a greater purpose. Sounds more like you are the one leaning on your own understanding. I could be wrong but you sound charismatic. Name it and claim it. I still believe the gifts are working but..I think you are wrong on this. It’s not always the Father’s will to resurrect or heal someone and He has His reasons. It’s always been this way. The show depicted a theological truth.

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@uleadworship725 I just viewed your channel and saw your playlists. Looks like you believe in spirit soaking. Absolute new age occult hogwash. Heretical. Can’t take you seriously seeing that.

    • @MrsCambers
      @MrsCambers  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@uleadworship725 oh and Andrew Wommack playlist too. Someone who admires Kenneth Copeland who is a false teacher and downright demonic. Don’t talk to me about Dallas’ theology. You are way off. Have a good day. I pray you see the truth about the things you are following.

  • @votebluenomatterwho2532
    @votebluenomatterwho2532 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jesus didn’t raise Ramah because he was too low on MP that evening.

  • @EricA-xd9fn
    @EricA-xd9fn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Give the writers credit for raising uncomfortable theological subject-matter. Yes, it's "not in the Bible", but the underlying question of:
    Why doesn't God answer my prayers? is one of the transcendent cries of all faithful Jews, Christians, and Muslims.