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- In this video i look at Hole's 1994 breakthrough album "Live Through This".
I go into detail on the songs and the making of the album.
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Despite the rumors and hate surrounding Courtney and her wrongdoings, I do love her music and feel for her. Losing one person is hard enough but two in a year..
Yeah and I'm sure she was all broken up about it.
Maybe you mean Kurt and Billy music?
I love all the "insiders" in the comments section looking in from the outside. The amount of gossip being spread around as fact is insane.
I don’t think it’s fact but it is valid opinions based on a multitude of investigations. I know the entertainment industry very well being that music business has been my job for about 13 years now.
I’ll just say it’s corrupt af and what happens within bands/artist compared to what people hear through media and now social media is so insane it’s almost laughable.
My personal thoughts about this case based on what I’ve “Lived through”, is that if you look at who made profit, you’ll find your guilty parties because there are just no coincidences. If you look at what was happening legally you’ll see motives.
And I’m not just talking about Courtney Love. Billy Corgan was very smart to let CL go because she is definitely “Where boys fear to tread”.
@@starwinksbackfromtheskypit6790 There's a difference between fact and opinion, and many people confuse the two too often. I will say that I agree with the entertainment industry being corrupt - no one truly knows what happens when the cameras are turned off. Either way, seeing people treat their opinions as if it MUST be true then disagreeing with anything that does not fit their narrative of the story is irritating, and I see that happen too often when it comes to the topic of Courtney Love. I came to this video looking for opinions on the album Live Through This, not whether or not Courtney is a serial killer. I guess the fault's on me for expecting anything civil.
@@jeebuschris4597 I’m no way shape or form saying you’re wrong. People are nuts about this shit.
I hate people, especially the ones who love to shove their opinions down people’s throats without logical defense except the fact they Jack it to Kurt, exactly the shit he never wanted.
I have logical side but mostly I’m more of an extremist I guess who likes to look at it from rogue feminist pov and defend Courtney from the Cobain Fanboys that says fuck the man, take his money, and murder and screw your way to the top against oppression like a real breaker of chains and outlaw.
Imo that’s what Kurt was really about. :)
@@starwinksbackfromtheskypit6790 Haha! Totally agree! Something about Kurt really drives people nuts, it's crazy how obsessed some fans are. No wonder they're so hellbent on Courtney being the devil lol
@@jeebuschris4597 Kurt Cobain really is the poster child for the parasocial relationship.
Jesus christ I don't know why I expected something different from these comments
Where there’s smoke
Kristen had left Hole. She was not a member when she passed. Make of that what you will.
There's a lot more to make of it than just that. It's a very suspicious, sordid, and sad story.
She alllllllmost made it out of there!!😣😩
Yeah and apparently nobody leaves Courtney.
Eric did it
I’ve always felt Kurt has a strong influence on this record. They went downhill after it and the comparisons to nirvana are EVERYWHERE. Even the amethyst, Pisces references in Violet.
and you've always been wrong. Kurt had nothing to do with Live Through This.
Billy Corgan the lead singer from smashing pumpkins had an extremely strong influence on that record. Billy wrote guitar riffs for at least seven different songs. Kristen pfaff took lyrics and riffs from her original band to include on live through this. Amethyst is also Billy Corrigan's birthstone.
Kurt didn’t write any of these songs stop believing a rumor and get a life… BUT technically you can say Kurt “worked” on miss world *WITH COURTNEY* as he did the demo of miss world
@@hehasnolips1371 that’s why she hasn’t been able to replicate the success of live through this. I also didn’t say he write them, just that he had a strong influence on the record.
I love Hole and I've always thought they were amazing. My favorite album is Pretty On The Inside cause it's so raw and real. Thats what I loved about Nirvana and Hole and really that entire genre.
Whatever one's feelings about Courtney, Live Though This was a great grunge album. Kristen was so hot.
I remember when Kurt died it was like a real blow to a lot of people. Then about a month later you turn on MTV and there’s Courtney promoting the new album. I think a lot of people felt it was too soon.
Is she not supposed to promote her album? I mean I get that a tragedy just happened but she still has to work and live her life
Well she was left with a baby in her arms so that's that... Also that album was a success.. Thabk God she went for it like she always does on everything.
Making an album takes longer than 2 months so that was already in the pipeline. Contracts need to be fulfilled. Do you get 6 months off work when a bereavement happens in the family?
didn't kill anybody
Kurt had attempted suicide in Rome a month before with the suicide note in his hand. come on guys.
Yeah to me that's in bad taste. Is there no way they could have stopped the release of their record? Or is money always the bottom line?
You have to be kidding me? There's no tragedy for CL the black widow. There is for Kristen Pfaff who was leaving the band at the time she passed and for Kurt who wanted a divorce but didn't get out alive either.
Exactly
Or these people both had bad drug problems and were not stable to begin with.
Kristen finished rehab and was doing great. She completed her obligations with Hole went back out west to pack her stuff and then go back to Minnesota. Kurt was also leaving Courtney and Nirvana. He and Kristen had becoming close friends. After CL found out she was livid at both of them. Kurt had enough morphine and valium in him to kill a junkie 3 times. He would've been unconscious in seconds from the injection. Handwriting experts say his note was written by multiple people. True psych ward and American spy fox has covered all of this.
@@msnewsenior I think Kristen was the more stable one. Her brother said that she did experiment with drugs at some point but never had an addiction nor was she a frequent user, until she moved to Seattle and Courtney gifted her a purse full of dope the first day she got there. He also said that she was really scared that she got hooked on that stuff because she knew the consequences and whenever she tried to get clean CL would sneak in dope and opiates near her purse 🤨. And then she gets clean for a couple of months,quits Hole and is only in Seattle to get her stuff then Boom overdose. Her creepy ex boyfriend Eric was the last person to be seen leaving her apartment who happens to be Courtney's right hand man.
Kurt and kristen are linked! I think they were planning to leave and meet up together, courtney and Eric knew and planned their deaths .. and so far, it's worked right? Unless eric tells what he knows.. I think courtney gets by with blackmail and charm
İ am really amazed at the way some people just move on.
Y'll need to shut up..I wrote Live Through This & I met Kurt in heaven lol 😆
Big bang did not create the universe courtney does create.. 🔥
She is a hardwork rockstar who wrote all the beatles song 😭🤣..
When one wants to leave Courtney then she makes sure you really leave.
yea
Shut up. Move on.
I hate the comment section here
It's ridiculous 😂
@@tiyanawilliams5070guarantee that most of them weren’t even old enough to buy cds
@@hunterwilliams8923 welp
In Utero and Live Through this are my favourite records ever. They were both great songwriters and probably incluence each other a lot. I mean they were a couple like duh..
That’s because Courtney helped write most of the songs on utero
Curt never sang back on that album. I'm 54 I LIVED THOUGH THIS.
Eric talking about Courtney, saying how great she is at playing guitar, how he learned so much from her.... This reminds me of those videos made by terrorists where a hostage who clearly looks like he's been beaten up, surrounded by terrorists pointing guns at him, is saying that he's being treated so well...
Have you heard the secret recording the sound engineer made of her 'playing' live? It's here in TH-cam. She's trying to play celebrity skin... about 3 basic chords and it sounds like when a 5 year old picks up a guitar and whacks the strings pretending to play. CRINGE. That's why her guitar is always muted and she just wears it. Yeah... I'm sure he learned a lot from her! To be fair back in 94 she could play way better. Still badly but she could actually play a song. Still the only thing he could learn from her is manipulation, sociopathy and lying.
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Kurt helped with the music, not the lyrics. Courtney had no musical structure compared to both Kurt and Kirsten or even Eric. She'd only been playing/learning the guitar since the early-mid 80s, and stated later Kurt was the best teacher she could've had.
"Celebrity Skin" had a lot of help from Billy Corgan, Courtney claimed he only wrote the riff for the song "Celebrity Skin", but as time has passed turns out Billy was actually correct.
Honestly chances are Kurt helped a lot with "Live Through This" too..Not just vocals. There is a story about Courtney asking for riff to "Heart Shaped Box" and Kurt told her to fuck off. Courtney's solo albums even needed help composing music. Courtney is poet/lyricist but not a musician.
Courtney said billy only wrote the ",0h make me over" but did credit him on most of the songs, check the credits! He was involved in most of the music parts but not in the lyrics, she's a great lyricist too
Kurt's role was indirect, in that he was spending hours on the phone with the very talented Kristen Pfaff, and surely they spent some of that time with the phones on speaker, working on music together. If anything that they worked on together made it onto the album, there's his contribution (plus a couple of backing vocals).
@Billy Blade Why are you getting offend because I said that Courtney's has needed help with piecing her lyrics/poems to music? There is nothing wrong with it. Courtney is a performer, not a musician, and that is apparent. I never once said "Live Through This" was shit (nor "Celebrity Skin", etc). I like Courtney..she's hilarious and very talent at acting, but she is not a natural musician.
Go check out her isolated singing and guitar playing...lastly if you wanna hear some interesting views with an open check out AmericanSpyFox's channel or what Iggy Pop said about Kurt and Courtney.
@@thefirstpumpkin2571 Crediting someone and public acknowledgment are two different things. Courtney and Billy had a feud over this. She wrote the entire "Celebrity Skin" lyric not the opening bit.
I've always said Hole was more of a band than Nirvana since Hole wrote music as a band instead of relying on one person to carry the weight.
Liar, liar, pants on fire Courtney! It wasn’t a rumour at all! She claims she would have been ‘proud as hell’ if Kurt had written the album for her. Not a hope! She would have been slated by the critics for having her talented husband write that album. She hasn’t had a “hit” since except for the radio friendly Celebrity Skin song which was written by Corgan. There’s no way just herself and Captain Creep wrote Live Through This.
Did Kurt Cobain write all of the songs on Hole's 'Live Through This' album?
Ian James, Rock Musician at Geffen Records (1991-present)
Yes, Kurt wrote the vast majority of the music and probably some lyrics (although Courtney’s a decent lyricist). How do I know? I’m friends with many of those who were around Kurt and Courtney at the time (their band mates, managers, friends, etc. - my band was on the same label as Nirvana and Hole at that time and were part of that whole social circle). I’d also met them myself, Kurt a few times and Courtney once (which was more than enough for me). At that time it was considered uncool to “out” Kurt’s writing of the album, so no one in the know would admit it publicly in order to protect both of their integrity.
Also just listen to the music - it’s totally Kurt, which is especially evident when you compare it to Hole’s first album (recorded before he met Courtney) which is pretty weak musically and a different style of song writing.
I’ve often wondered did Kurt threaten to “out” his immense input on that album if she played nasty in their divorce?? Did he mention that in the Rome letter that Cameron told her to get rid of because it wouldn’t do her any good??
ATwistOfLemon666 yes! That makes so much Sean's. Cheers.
There are countless things one can say about CL, most of them bad, but this particular criticism isn't fair. Hole played some of the songs live before CL met Kurt, or at least before she had much of a relationship with him. The production crew have all said that they witnessed the other songs being written amidst the recording process. With that said, Kurt may have had an indirect role. He and Kristen would spend hours on the phone at this time, and I'd be surprised if they didn't work on music for some of that time, strumming instruments with the phones on speaker mode. Maybe they did some of that in person before Hole went to Atlanta to record, but I don't know. A lot of the music and arrangement on Live Through This is thanks to Kristen and her classical training, and it's likely that some of her input was developed by working with Kurt.
Kristen's influence was just one of the triggers for Courtney's hostility and bullying- "You fuck my guitar player, you constantly make eyes at my husband and now you're trying to tell me how to sing. Just don't fuck with me or you'll regret it forever."
Scott Charney None of the LLT songs were performed live before she met Kurt. Also the production crew testimonials that you mentioned came from an article written by none other than Courtney - sycophant Jessica Hopper! A nice cover up piece, believe me. I’m with you on all you said about Kristen. Absolutely unbelievably talented woman.
@@atwistoflemon666 That’s a lie, there’s audio of Violet being performed in 1991 in Boston.
@@msnewsenior lol 😂 thanks for fact checking Mrs know it all like you can’t hate Courtney that much to not find out the facts she was singing violet from 1991 it’s footage from TH-cam
We know they wrote songs together because Kurt mentioned how easy it was writing with Courtney.
This album was recorded months before Kurt's sudden unexpected death but it sounds like it was written afterwards. Coincidence? How do I live through this?
Ave Courtney, nostra regina incontrastata del rock! Ti amiamooooo! ❤️❤️🔥❤️
sometimes y’all tend to forget you’ve never met these people let alone been in the same room with them
Thank you for making this video. Hole never gets the recognition it deserves, and I'm glad you saw through Courtney's reputation and focused more on the band itself and the actual irony of the album rather than focusing on her. It's rare to find someone who can actually look at the facts rather than looking at the rumours and theories. Thank you.
OK, so I was working at a large record distributor in Canada when this all went down, and I actually talked to Warner (dist for Geffen) sales rep's about the HORRIBLE optics of releasing the Hole record a week after KC died. In the business at the time, we were sensitive to appearing to be cashing in on an artists death. The greedy rush to release sub-par material when Elvis died was something everyone had been keen to avoid since then, since the public saw it as so exploitive. So when Courtney and the label decided to do this, the sales reps were fucking embarrassed. It was obvious they were cashing in on the death of KC, who was rumoured to have ghost written much of the record. Anyway, it was awful and it was the first indication I had that CL was a psychopath. Soon after I was on the phone with Tom Grant, who had released his info on the "new" internet. Since then, I've never stopped studying the case.
Except Love had no say in the release of the album after it had been set, Cobain never wrote any of the record and you're a record distributor who thinks you are a capable of diagnosing complex mental health on someone you haven't met because of something a record label did. No wonder Tom Grant spoke to you - a joke can always manipulate another joke.
@@Danathema How much is CL paying you to troll people, Danathema? Love had no say in the album release? You really believe that? She had more than just a say, she had the ear of David Geffen. Everyone I knew at WEA was loathe to go ahead with the release, so I find it hard to believe that anyone but Geffen & CL wanted to risk appearing to cash in on a suicide. Which ought to tell you a lot about motives. But it won't tell presumptuous, naive people like you anything, because you think you know it all, which is ironically what you're accusing me of. CL destroyed Cobain, one way or another.
@@Danathemathank you
One of my fav albums 🥲 Thanks for this video gave you a like
Also Kurt did write most of the songs on live through this . I'll tell what compare that album to any other hole album
do you have proof that he wrote most of the songs. A link perhaps?
@@deantysall961 do you have proof he didn't
@@jamesbowling6252 The way it works sport is that the one making the wild accusation has to pony up the proof. You're making the positive accusation, you prove it rather than asking people to prove a negative. Can you prove I didn't take a shit this morning? Why not? Back up your own ridiculous conspiracy theories. Oh wait, you can't.
@@jamesbowling6252
You've clearly never listened to any Hole or Nirvana in your life...are you a bot?
Listen to ANY Hole album. They are all completely different sonically.
yeah this makes sense
Sad bass player rip
The more one looks into Kristen's death, it starts to look even worse than sad.
I first heard live through this early last year and ima be real it was very raw and sureal and alot of femminal remarks in some lyrics but now first hearing that this was relased weeks after kurt died and had lost thier first basist on cause of an overdose which was ngl it fr shows a new meaning to the name and the album itself real shit
She put "live through this" after her soon to be ex husband had been dead. She hated Kristen for flirting with Kurt. Then she threw a pity party and dragged her husband for "killing himself" long afterwards. Ironic?
Heartbreaking
"I gotta make a living..." After she had just inherited a multi-million dollar estate, and the fame to convert into millions more. She's a lying sicko. She wanted big fame, and that's why Kurt wanted to leave her.
I caught that as well. Immediately pressed pause to see if anyone else noticed that nonsense.
She wanted to soak up all the glory of being a black widow and this post Apocalyptic record. That’s what severe narcissists love. I think the sociopath in her was having orgasms every day.
She hadn’t inherited a thing - the house was already hers, Cobain’s assets had been frozen and she had to pay off one of his lawsuits with her money.
Oh and Cobain wanted to be famous and made no move to leave her.
@@Danathema Cobain, foolishly, wanted to be famous in 1991, it's true. However, he NEVER wanted to be the media whore that CL wanted to be (and became). By '94, if he hadn't made much progress in leaving her after Rome, it's likely because he was brain damaged by the roofies she gave him that night. Anyway, this CL as the victim BS isn't going to fly with anyone truly familiar with their story. She is an awful person, who also pissed away much of her daughter's inheritance when she sold the publishing out from under her.
I think it’s so funny that she’s so adamant about Kurt not having anything to do with live through this. You can actually look up videos of her pestering Kurt to write riffs and lyrics for her, screaming at him. She did it all the time when he was alive. She annoyed the hell out of him. A lot of times he would go hiding from her because she was so nutty. Please go look up police reports because you will see this is the truth. I think it’s funny that this is hole’s most sought out album. I think it’s funny that she hasn’t really had an album like this since his death. I’m not saying anything but you know the truth is all over the place.
I've never seen or heard of any such videos. How do you know what went on in their relationship? did you know them personally? police reports indicate Kurt was a spousal abuser and liked to lock himself in bathrooms with weapons. what a guy eh? Kurt didn't write a note on Live Through This. just ask her bandmates and producers.
I'm Sure Kurt Cobain thought about offing himself with a 12 Gauge, but he chose a 20 Gauge.
His suicide brought alot of attention to her. Basically it contributed to her fame and the records success. It gave her that drugie depressed Rockstar image. If she was really upset and mourning wouldn't you step away from the spotlight? She also had a legal battle over his music. I don't know what she felt for him but I do know that money usually determines people's actions and decisions
The record was released before Kurt's death. It was fabulous on its own.
where did you get that audio of kurt's backing vocals??
great video btw
@@The_Crow78. Literally ALL the evidence points otherwise, look at the facts bro. And he WAS sleeping with Billy Corgan just WEEKS after Kurt was murdered, what are you talking about?
@@The_Crow78. Is this opposites day or something? Almost everything you said is probably false.
2:19 Thank you, madam. Your quote says it all; teenagers like angry music and meanwhile, there is a reason; adolescents ARE usually angry. Everybody, please stop stigmatizing mental health.
That's rough man losing 2 of your closest friends at the same time
Kristen was not a close friend; Courtney treated her horribly.
Courtney treated Kristen like shit and she didn't love Kurt, she cashed in on his death.
Where's the truth? Yeah her husband and bass player died or were murdered. Did anyone know that supposedly Kurt and holes bass player were into each other which made Courtney so jealous
i love courtney, she loved kurt, which is why i dont think she would kill him. the bass player on the other hand...
It's all a silly conversation, with all the weird conspiracy theorists and such. It's a brilliant album. Lots of bands do this, putting out one great record, then a lot of middling stuff.
Kurt wrote most u can tell easily….Kurt was leaving korky lol to hang with fpaff (if that’s how it’s spelled)…. He absolutely adored her .. he actually gave her a copy of his favorite book, perfume.. (scentless apprentice is about)….korky found out , freaked and kicked her outta the band….she and the movers and shakers around her had him dealt with for the release of the album and so she wouldn’t lose EVERYTHING when he divorced her cuz it was in the process of happening and that’s facts…according to lawyers and Tom grant … it’s so obvious what was done and why the electrician was called out of nowhere …why would he be installing cameras in the green house above the garage…so obviously obvious for anyone Pervy to the time in music and this mans artwork/music/personality and love for his daughter… the fact that his lyrics Wer so self loathing and melon collie laced that people never even entertained that this could have the twist it does have … sad, luh ya kurdt 67-94…
Dear God.
Cobain was married to and was not even separated from Courtney Love at the time of his death, he was trying to seduce her a month before his suicide and his last known words to her were glowing ("I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy"). Pfaff willingly left Hole and Pfaff was attempting to get in a relationship with Lanegan who she was flirting with at Cobain's funeral. Pfaff is just a replacement conspiracy theory for the Zapata theory that was proven utterly wrong.
He wasn't in the process of divorcing her at all. Cobain's lawyer's name was Allen Draher and he has not spoken and has no record of any divorce claim being made by either Love or Cobain. Tom Grant making things up as usual. If he were in the process of divorcing her, there would be documented evidence of this but as usual, murder theorists can't come up with a single document to back up their assertions - the standard "if I shout it loud enough and for long enough, it automatically comes true" theory.
She wasn't going to lose everything. That's why she was the last one to threaten divorce (which both did, neither followed through). Cobain was paying out and he was paying through the nose if wound up divorced.
Nobody was called out of nowhere. The house needed a lot of work done on it and Cobain and Love agreed to have it done when they were meant to be away for the entirety of April - her promoting LTT, him at rehab for the month. There were workmen there all week installing security, not just on the 8th.
You don't seem to know what you are talking about.
Agree w all except he traded All for his life away from her & Nirvana=No suicide, no murder
You know why it was so successful? Kurt wrote for her
that’s just a misogynistic lie lol
@@pukeforbrainzno it’s not! He lives through that album, as well as other musical endeavors
@@pukeforbrainz
Lol, nothing to do with misogyny, misandrist...
@@kimlarso
Why comment when you have no idea what you're talking about?
Kurt didn't write a single note on Live Through This
I dont believe kurt wrote much of live through this, considering alot of those songs existed before she was with him .. but I do believe courtney and eric know more about kurt and kristen and even el duce from the mentors, then they let on
you're actually gullible enough to believe the ridiculous El Duce story? you do realize there were witnesses to his death and his bandmates admitted he made up the entire Cobain story to sell to the tabloids right?
Name of the end credit song??? 7:05
'Asking for it' Hole cover song
@@RockTV11 thanks
Kurt was really thoughtful and empathetic. Why would he kill himself just one week before the release of his wifes album??
He wouldn’t because of his daughter more than anything and he DIDN’T because of the evidence. It’s just SOOO OBVIOUS!!!😫 (SAME with Chris Cornell and most likely Chester)
Because he was depressed and suicidal. Cobain wasn't some saint either, he could be an incredibly selfish dick at times.
strung out heroin addicts that achieve publicity are well-known to go off the impulsive deep-end. That's why.
Kurt was gay and embarrassed about "Beautiful Son" and "Asking for It", combined with the stomach problems it was all too much...
@@hanajinks1044 Kurt was not gay I don't even know why you'd think that.
She definitely did it %100
No she didn’t
With the the help of the big dogs in music who attended the intervention pissed bc Kurt didn’t want to play Lolapallooza=He traded walking away & creating a private life in exchange for his suicide/murder…….where everyone gets what they want =So fishy it looks like a murder was on purpose =So fishy you can’t count out he faked his death and started a life elsewhere……grunge only lasted so long and Nirvanas fame was sign sealed and delivered upon Kurts death=“It’s better to Burn out than Fade away” as Kurt would say
@@6stringbass460 Correct. Cobain did it to himself.
I don’t care, I feel bad for her and like her music. I like her.
Weird brings album.out after kurt died
Crow7788 You’re wrong about that actually.
I really do believe courtney had something to do with both of there deaths . Its to odd its like she was jealous that they were more talented then her...
As I remember Live through this connecting with Gone witha Wind. Courtney is a genius but there's lot of question around her.
You know, setting aside Courtney, the tragedies and controversies and all the other shit that is Courtney Love, I really loved that album (I still listen to it to this day). Now, I totally understand that rumor though (true or not), the first album was meh at best, then she marries Kurt (the song writing genius) and her next album is great, then her third album she had a bunch of help from Billy Corgan. So for her two biggest albums she’s attached to strong songwriters and none of her other stuff is really anything great. It’s easy to understand why people thought Kurt was involved, just the evidence suggest it (even if it’s totally untrue). I will say one thing, no female singer screams like Courtney, it’s goosebumps good.
I never knew of hole.i only heard the name courtney love n thought she waz a prn star.like hear say.i only knew nirvana
Had help from Billie, too, I believe.
If her mouth is moving she's lying!! How does anyone believe anything she says when she contradicts herself constantly!! Example: "I'd be proud as hell to say he wrote on the album but I wouldn't let him"
This guy must not know this stuff is no coincidence. Courtney killed them both. So funny what Eric said Abt her “guitar playing”. He plays guitar she pretends to play
But you do? You were there? F off.
Kurts message to kids dont do drugs its dumb stupid
I agree
Awesome stuff
Courtney is a human being too. Just all around bad vibes but come on.
Jeffrey Dahmer was a human too and so is Ted Bundy but they can burn in hell, right.
More like cursed vibes but aye any bad sitaution would fr get to ya
Courtney Love is the Hillary Clinton of music.
😂
True. The two are beyond bipolar/serotonin imbalanced, they wreck and destroy everyone and everything in their lives.
tragic cicumstancies and it was said...smart
Shes not grunge queen
Kat Bjelland is the grunge queen!
That's right she's not!!!! She is just third pithy!!!
Any Conspiracies she killed them both because they were having a thing going on ?
Plaff and Cobain were NOT romantically involved. Its just some Fan Fiction shit from Non Seattle Nirvana Fans.
@@Tornado1994 yeah cause you was there right? Trolls, man. Gotta feel sorry for trolls. Their soul purpose is to steer the masses away from the truth.
@@buddingvenus8487 Plaff was a member of Hole. Cobain did NOT work with Hole. Nirvana toured with them. FYI, yes I HAVE met Courtney Love and Dave Grohl in person. Lived in Seattle in 1997-2000.
Live Through This is a great album. Kurt & Kristen wrote it, after all.
umm… Kurt wrote what?
@@Chrisdoesntlikenoisecore He didn't. Kurt was writing the square root of bugger all at the time because he had writers block and they're only saying Kristen wrote it and pushing Courtney out because Kristen is the demure, quiet and deferential partner that they personally wanted for Kurt.
This is horrible. This album is very similar to Nirvana's. And releasing the album just days after death of KC. This is not normal, this horrendous. I wouldn't be able to work just after death of a close one. I'm not sure of course, bc I'm not detective, but this whole thing is so strange, that i would really dig into that, before making CL a star of grunge music and history of female musicians. There sth very suspicious about that. And I'm not misogynist. I'm feminist, but I think Kurt was more feminist and decent person than she. Some women can be misogynist and using famous ideas for their own interest. This case need scrutiny. Unfortunately she has a lot of trolls involved in maintaining her image, she will bribe ppl till her last days.
Kurt had nothing to do with the making of Live Through This. The album was schedule for release long before Kurt ended his life. Kurt who went to jail for domestic abuse was more of a feminist then his wife? youre confused.
@@chestrockwell6807 I mean... the fact that the album was made while Kurt was living, pretty much indicates more of his influence on it, than if it would be made after his death xd
One artist influencing the other while being married seems very much probable... it is very often the case actually.
@@nata1547 if you want to talk about influence, she influenced In Utero every bit as much.
she's a lying you kno what a couple of thngs how ironic kurt died on april 5th and her "album" gets released on my of all days b'day everybody knows the truth now hell even ppl are doing evp sessions and kurt says clearly "Murder" so courtney live through that plus fransis is old enough now to realise her mother is and always will be responsible for kurts death he was going to divorce her she panicked and that was the result...
Lucky Courtney.
Live through this did well for a few different reasons and Courtney Love isn’t one of them. It did well because she was married to Kurt and because he wrote a good bit of that album and had creative input on the rest of it, Kristen Pfaff was an amazing bass player, vocalist and just all around super talented musician. The critics were very outspoken about this and how much she stood out in this album when it was released, but Courtney. Courtney can barely play guitar, that makes me laugh and lastly. When it comes to the death if Kurt and Kristen, Courtney did it it was at least directly responsible.
Agree w all you said but Kurt traded in all you stated for a new life wOut her or the fame & money from Nirvana and has secretly worked in the background on many things=There was only two true options here: Murder Kurt or Fake a suicide = there were many higher ups in the music industry at the last intervention & millions riding on whether he stayed (which he didn’t want to) but millions more if he died before he faded away=He chose the latter! Many men donate their sperm every year wOut choosing to parent….his own mother said he questioned his sexuality which would explain the males around nannying & living in his house & that he didn’t want to do the Nirvana fame anymore = and bc it points at being more of a murder than a suicide =exiting the life style then, would be the most likely event w many people in high places able to make that happen as they lost nothing by helping his escape look like a suicide =that way everyone wins and the show must go on
There's no reason for Courtney to bump off Kristen now that Kurt was gone. Kristen was talented and a great bassist, but also an addict. Despite going to rehab, she had no sponsor and was not attending NA meetings. Her dealer lived only a few blocks from her apartment, it was easy for her to score just one last hit that proved to be fatal. Not a fan of Courtney, but she wasn't involved in Kristen's death.
Hole's first album sucks. Then Kurt and Kristen join and their second album is amazing. Then Courtney sleeps with Billy Corgan for a while and amazing songs keep coming here and there. Then Courtney leaves Corgan and Hole sucks once again just like at the beginning.
I don't know man, either Kurt, Kristen and Corgan wrote all of Hole's good stuff to different degrees of quantity or Courtney and Eric are only inspired when one of these three specific people is around...
"Fun House", "Bollox" and "Pretty on the Inside" are the three greatest albums ever made.
Kurt had absolutely nothing to do with Live Through This.
Thats Kurt music. She hacked that shit.
so many pathetic people who cant stand a strong woman
and keep crying over Kurt :)
Dear God, is your picture actually this demon? Why don’t you go fly on up to Jeffrey Epstein’s island with her and the two of you can take advantage of children like she did and he did.
@@buddingvenus8487 Courtney Love never flew anywhere with Jeffrey Epstein that is pure fiction. lying for the cause eh?
They both died of overdoses. Alen Wrench just shot Kurt's corpse with a 20 gauge shotgun loaded with birdshot for Courtney for $50,000. Oh...and El Duce was pushed in front of a train after passing 3 polygraphs regarding Courtney Love offering them both $50K, which he turned down. His interview in Kurt and Courtney put him on her hit list.
Three casualties and she's still free.
Oh...and there is a recording of Her and Kurt singing Live Through This. He and Billy Corgan wrote most of Hole's music...
Still could be either or, we’ll never know how he really died
There's a murder theorist born every minute, there really is. You are aware that Wrench is a troll who just winds up Nirvana fans and all Hoke's cronies have admitted the entire thing was a scam and was one of many outlandish claims they were making at the time to sell to the media. They were friends with a guy who worked on the Jerry Springer show and could easily get it out there. Hoke had been hawking this scam for two years before he died. You will also be aware that Hoke's death had several witnesses (including Al Jourgensen from Ministry) who all confirmed that Hoke's death was an accident when he was drunk and dicking about to impress fans. You will also be aware that Hoke never passed "3 polygraphs" (which are junk science anyway) and passed one so-called "polygraph" conducted by a quack with a fake doctorate he'd bought on the black market, in a crowded bar where the witness was so drunk he passed out and Hoke was absolutely hammered too and only agreed to it for beer money. When SPD offered Hoke a test, he refused to take it and cut all contact.
There are dozens and dozens of people who literally witnessed Hole work on Live Through This together without Cobain's input. Love wrote around half the songs before she even met Cobain and Cobain had severe writers block at the time and could barely write enough to force In Utero out and was completely devoid of ideas at that stage. Standard misogyny.
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Kurt Cobain wrote Doll Farts, it sounds just like him. Probably wrote Violent too.
Jill Emery co-wrote both of those two songs with Courtney - her interviews are easy to find on here l think it's funny you chose those songs in particular.
@@hanajinks1044 those are the ones I know because of the radio play. If Kurt wrote anything for Cortney the world would never hear about it and of course I don't know but Kurts style is all over Doll Parts and she was his wife so it's reasonable to entertain that thought anyway. I'll have look Jill up I haven't heard that name.
@@ponzo1967 Violet was written before she was even with Kurt you dolt. Kurt had zero to do with the record. Just ask literally everyone who was involved with it.
She’s not psychic but the name of her band is. That’s where all her music or idea of celebrity for talent should be buried.
Jeebus chris. 😂
"Jennifer's Body" is about how Courtney was a Christian at this time. Both "Beautiful Son" and "Asking for It" are about how Kurt was gay and how disgusted she was about it. Kurt killed himself over the shame, but she's saying "live thru this with me, l swear that l will die for you.." She's saying that as a Christian she'll give her life to him and God.
Apparently she's a buddhist now and l can only speculate that she lost her faith in God when Kurt killed himself.
Nirvana were a very good pop band, but Hole are on a completely different level. Eric is an incredible guitarist and Courtney is without any question the greatest lyricist of the pop/rock era. To think that Kurt had anything to do with writing any Hole records is laughable.
Everything Courtney touches turns to shit.
Kurt and Kristen would’ve made a power couple for rock