It's actually a popular theory in the UFO community. It would explain the apparent immunity to the laws of physics that observed 'craft' often exhibit.
aliens = extraterrestrial beings outside Earth, whether they came from outer space or inter dimensional, if it looks like an alien, swims like an alien, and quacks like an alien, they are an alien!
Well given Indanas track record with rare artifacts, a museum is the last place it will end up. George listen to Stephen he knows what he's talking about.
@@katelinmarie5360 It's actually true. That is where Indiana and Star Wars series were under the influence. Read the history about it, there's proof on that.
THIS TITLE WORKS AS THE B-MOVIE FEEL... ITS WIERD AS A MOVIE TITLE AND, IT WORKS!!!!! The original title was Indiana Jones and the City of Gold. I remember a concept teaser was shown using the title there, then the official trailer came with the final title.... LOVE
Spielberg is responsible for every piece of shit second of that film. He directed the entire fucking thing. He's responsible for it all, as is every director for the film he shoots. Lucas didn't direct it. Lucas didn't write the script. He only approved the script. If Spielberg didn't want to do it, he should have declined. He's simply trying to whitewash the turd he churned out. Now they're making Indy 5 and when Lucas opted out and wanted nothing to do with it, Spielberg chickened out and backed out as director because he knew he'd have nobody to blame anything when that film turns out to be shit. Spielberg is full of it.
@@HTHAMMACK1 You haven't been paying attention to the Lucas/Spielberg partnership at all. Their friendship transcends any film business context you're attempting to fit your narrative into ---- Spielberg did Lucas AND Ford a favor by doing Skulls.
@@dawsynasay4841 Some of what HTHAMMACK1 said MIGHT have been applicable if not for Lucas/Spielberg's friendship AND their power in the industry. That said: HTHAMMACK1 has it wrong.
+jefferson steelflex George Lucas had one good Idea in 1976, and he's been "Scull Fucking" (pun intended) Movie goers ever since....GOD BLESS Disney for throwing his Star Wars vii script ideas away. That movie would've sucked if George Lucas got to put his "Lucas Mucus" on it
It feels like History Channel. Where it was first about actual history and archeology and now we got Erik von Danniken and his companions shouting aliens to everything they see coz some of these structures of ancient antiquity we can't explain with our modern construction techniques of making hideous concrete boxes and steel skyscrapers that we punch out of the ground extremely quickly and wouldn't even survive 100 years w/o constant maintenance.
George Lucas wanted to do a haunted castle like movie for Indiana Jones 3 but Steven Spielberg didn’t want to because he did Poltergeist back in ‘82, as if his ideas are like a been there done that sort of thing.
@@patrickwilson1459 would've loved to see something like that instead of Last Crusade. I liked it but it felt super safe and for little kids compared to the first 2. It also felt too much like Raiders to me, so I don't get Steven's “been there done that” argument lol.
@@tricko8000but I think that was intentional. Considering how divisive temple of doom was at the time, that last crusade was a good time to go back and play it safe.
They're both pedophiles and there are verified quotes from both of them discussing sexual attraction and engagement with minors during their long successful careers
George: Let's do aliens. Steven: I don't wanna do aliens. Years later... George: Maybe you're right. We shouldn't do aliens. Steven: George, I love ya! George: We should do inter-dimensional beings. Steven: What?! George: Yeah, ever heard of string theory? They're from another dimension. Steven: Fine! Fine... What do they look like? George: They look like aliens. Steven: *_facepalm_* This story is the best thing to come of Indy 4.
+adamzanzie How semantically pedantic of him. If they are from outside our dimension then they are foreigners or *aliens* in our dimension. Lucas mincing words and still falling short of reaching the mark... probably just to avoid admitting he was wrong or it was a bad idea in that moment so he was reaching for some sort of defensive explanation... sigh.
+Aamir Ali The best part is how for many, many years it was Harrison Ford who insisted they should never make another Indiana Jones movie, backed up by Steven, but then almost all the blame was put on his back for nagging Lucas and Spielberg to make another. Amazing how Lucas went scot-free from his concept he wrote almost 25 years ago. Anyway, the franchise actually had a great 4th part. IJ and the Fate of Atlantis. And that game was created by REJECTING the original script for what years later turned into Crystal Skull.
Harrison Ford loves playing Indiana Jones and it's his favorite character to play. Even though Crystal skull was the worst of the films it was still wonderful to see Harrison play Indiana again.
George Lucas "executed" his idea's the way he wanted to. You say that the execution of his stories is shit because you don't like what he made, not because George is narrow minded and doesn't know how to make films, he has lot's of education and has been in the business for years. I seriously doubt you understand how to "execute" stories into good films to the point that you can definitely deem Lucas as a failure. You could have atleast been original with your complaints rather than quote the most cliche Lucas sucks quote in the book.
@@VictoryReviews The general over-arching plot of the Star Wars I-III was good too. But it was filled with a poor script, sub par acting, unnecessary CGI, a sudden change to a kids film (minus the third), and the plot really could've been condensed into 2 films.
@@blankname2101 There's a reason he got other people to write/direct the sequels to Star Wars though (Empire and Return). In fact, when making THX 1138, he didn't want to write the script because he wasn't confident in his writing abilities, but Francis Ford Coppola talked him into writing a draft, and upon seeing it, he basically said "Yeah, this sucks" so they got a co-writer for the film (if I remember correctly). So based on that I can't say that it's a coincidence that the critical reception to the Star Wars prequel films was so harsh compared to the original trilogy. All of the evidence points to him not being great at executing things when it comes to writing and directing. He's an idea man, he's very visionary, but unless he's working with other people, whenever he thinks of something he *could* do, he rarely stops to ask if he *should*
I think Indiana Jones and the patriot games would be a good movie. Or indian jones and the quest for cowboys and aliens. Or ooh even better Indian Jones and Boba Fett hunt for enders game.
***** I'd prefer to call them either rip-offs or just laziness as opposed to an homage. What was original was pure garbage. I don't think anyone was expecting the same, but certainly not a Saturday morning cartoon. I've seen better villains in Care Bear movies.
I've seen Raiders of the Lost Ark atleast six million times and I have no problem with the *idea* of the fourth film. The alien angle, the rock n roll kid, grumpy old Indy and the soviets were all fine ideas, it's just the awful execution and terrible script that killed it.
***** I think the sci-fi angle was cool and a natural direction to take it. They clearly drew inspiration from red scare cold-war era movies about evil invaders and flying saucers. They *certainly* shouldn't have shown the alien though, that was a huge blunder. Almost as big a blunder as the monkeys, the fridge, the ants, the gophers, anything else made with terrible CGI and ofcourse the dialogue.
No matter what term they used, it did come across as 'just another' alien sequence and seemed rather anti-climactic, at least to me. Mr. Spielberg's initial instincts were right, in my opinion. And yes, Mr. Lucas is a visionary. It doesn't make him right every time out. But no doubt they're both geniuses, regardless of what one thinks of this film.
I totally agreed with everything you said. The Alien idea was genius, considering it's the 50's and the area 51/ Rosewell era but the lack of execution and story telling failed it.
i thought his stories were good, he gave us star wars and indiana jones for god sake, now people are criticizing him because of bad acting, aliens or to much cgi
Well he did write the Crystal Skull and Red Tails, and 2 Ewok movies everyone forgets about. Then again he also did Willow. See HIS original trilogy had lots of help and input from other people. They were a collaborative effort like filmmaking should be. The prequels were all him though, so the blame for those pieces of garbage fall entirely on his shoulders. His response after the prequels was saying he would never make a star wars movie again. But wait George you had said that there were 9 movies in your plan. And then you even said Disney didn't want your ideas for 7, 8, and 9? Your making this up as you go along aren't you? I've seen the Empire deleted scenes Leia was never originally Luke's sister was she?
My opinion was Star Wars was great as that original trilogy like Indiana Jones was. Disney has done better then the prequels and the 2 ewok movies but... They are no where near as good as the originals and in no way better so making them is all about cash now. Why make them if they aren't going to be better, money that's why. Disney spent a ton so we will get a lifetime of Star Wars now. Disney also fucked up by not planning out the next three stories so they are now making it up as they go along more or less. Hell even the Force Awakens was getting rewrites mid way through filming. It's a case of you can't go home again. Also why I hope to hell that Hollywood stays away from things like a Back to the Future remake or sequel.
LMFAO I hope that's sarcasm. If not then what exactly is good about the prequels? """Story"""?, Characters?, and you can't say light saber fights since that was one of the worst parts.
See, I actually like Lucas' idea of making it in the spirit of 50's sci-fi B-movies, it really IS the natural cinematic progression from the 30's serials the originals were based off of. My only real complaint with Indy 4 is that it's uninspired, it's got a "same old, same old" nostalgic feel that while enjoyable, wasn't thrilling. I don't think it's actually a bad movie, but it does make you long for Raiders and Crusade more.
It's also shot REALLY REALLY BADLY. Kingdom of the Crystal skull visually LOOKS WORSE than any other indiana jones movie beforehand, even I understood that even as a kid. Lucas has proven that he doesn't know how to make a movie look good from how he plasters CGI all over the place!
Nick Schireson it wasn't just George Lucas.. you forgot Harrison Ford who coaxed Lucas into doing another and Spielberg who ended up doing another despite not wanting to do any more..
I liked it. The film was decent. Didn't touch the first three but it was a good movie. Also I liked the star wars prequels. Think clone wars has also somehow made them better.
Thats the comment I was looking for, we can see the parallels, really hope Indy 5 is good but I have learned with the shitty sequels that when there is no passion for the project, it can be the worst thing ever.
I'm guessing the movie is gonna take place in the 1960s. What do you think? Maybe Spielberg could expand on Cold War overtones established in 'Kingdom of the Crystal Skull'.
220volt74 except for he co-wrote the stories for all the Indiana Jones films as well as producing them so the series wouldn't even exist without him. The Crystal Skull was truly awful but Lucas, despite not being perfect & taking it too far, knows (or did know) how to do a good story & make a good film.
The problem is that even the old ones were supposed to be like that. Personally I thought Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was too similar, or at least overly similar considering the new setting.
Yeah, see, I knew that going in and I still like it. But if you study the first trilogy, you could've figured out what they were doing without being told.
I dunno. I think his ideas have merit but need to go through a filter to remove all the excess. Like I have no problem with a 4th Indy film in theory OR a big budget version of the B movies he's talking about, but not together.
"I tend to remember a lot of bad reviews for Raiders...and a lot of bad reviews for Temple..and a lot of bad reviews for Crusade. The bad reviews for Crystal Skull didn't phase me, I'm right on track." - Steven Spielberg.
He's right.... And if you let the negative affect youre dicisions, then you are destined to repeat and open up more disillusionment. Use the positives as a Gatorade and drink up the fortune and glory, KiD! Treasure was KNOWLEDGE..! It is THEiR Treasure!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D ;D :) ;D :D ;) :D :D
Even when Spielberg heard Lucas was dropping aliens, spielberg is like that is the best decision you've made in the past 30 years and lucas said they're from inter dimension, Spielberg must of been thinking in his head " Really? That is even more stupid than fucking aliens."
+Yorick Moran I never cared where they are from, although the description felt lame, it is unknown though how the real existing skulls(in British Museum) were made so perfectly out of crystal back then, couple of thousands years ago...
The fact that they still made then look like aliens, made the idea even more stupid. If George wanted to do a 1950s sci-fi B-movie, that’s fine. But Indiana Jones just doesn’t work with that kind of setting. A movie about the crystal skulls could work with Indy, cause they’re already sort of historically mythical artifacts. But aliens just don’t work at all.
LOL What? HELL no, the best decisions for Lucas to make in the past "30 years" was making Revenge of the Sith and the World Building of the prequel movies. Stop with your ignorant hating nonsense you fool as you're not proving anything here.
Based on this video, you had Spielberg who didn't want to direct, Lucas who kept throwing concepts that Spielberg wasn't passionate about, and Ford wanting to be in another Indy movie so bad that he would've went with anything. It sounds like no one knew what the hell they wanted to do. They all just took bits of ideas from each other and just went with it. If only their vision could've been clear we would've gotten a much better Indy flick.
The originals did a fantastic job of mimicking 1930 serials. I think it was a great idea by George to have this one mimic 1950's Sci-Fi. It seems like that idea may have been lost along the way a little, because the film didn't really come across that way to me.
Other interviews have said Steven insisted on shoehorning in the "treasure hunt" for the skull, which ends up being a bizarre diversion in the movie. They explain that John Hurt RE-HID the skull in that cave, which kind of ruins the whole art of the treasure hunt. If you're hunting for an ancient treasure, shouldn't Indy be the one to discover it for the first time? Not getting some other treasure hunter's sloppy seconds.
I think the biggest mistake in this movie was explaining that Sean Connery (Indy's father) was dead. The man drank from the holy grail in Last Crusade. He should have been living disease free at least for several more decades than he normally would have lived. They didn't have to mention him or explain that he was dead just because Sean Connery didn't want to be a part of this movie.
Funny how most of the comments are saying "It's George's fault," when Spielberg clearly says in the video that it was Harrison Ford who gave Lucas the idea to start on Indy 4. I guess we can't blame Harrison Ford or else he'll shoot us first :D
It’s because the problem isn’t necessarily just that they made another Indy movie. It’s the movie they made that’s the problem, and it sounds like most of the conceptualizing for what the movie ended up being was done by George.
LOL NO it doesn't at all. It's the same overall issues you had with the prequels now BROUGHT into a Indiana Jones movie. Spielberg directed this movie but you can see Luca's handprints ALL over this film entirely.
no, bad scriptwriting and really bad decisions like too much CGI fucked it up. In the end: another in an endless list of movies that simply should not have been made!
The The Haha dumbass, I said the franchise. This Alien movie was shit. I DO enjoy the prequels, except episode one. you're probably one of those "fans that enjoyed The Force Awakens
The The should've won the Nobel Peace prize, oscars, best movie of the motherfucking year, and best cgi! Now you're a REAL sad person for dissing the prequels, but supports shit movies like TFA smh. Shame on you! 😢
My favorite lines in this movie was toward the end: Mutt: "Where'd they go? Into space?" Ox: "Not into space... Into the space between spaces..." something about the delivery just sent chills down my spine. That's some deep stuff there.
I hope you're serious, because youre right! That epidiomises the entire theology of the Myans worshiping their "gods" and aliens that MAY crashed onto Earth and could look like that. It's a switch of the Day the Earth Stood Still mixed and a bit of Tomb Raider in there with the super alien elements!
@@SB992REBORN I was serious. I actually liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. It had its ridiculous moments, like Mutt swinging through the trees like the monkeys Or Indy surviving being launched hundreds of feet inside a refrigerator by the shockwave of a nuclear blast. But the plot didn't bother me. The Indiana Jones films have upheld religious stories and pulled from different legends and treated them all as undeniable fact. Alien influence has been a long-running narrative ind a variety of circles concerning Egyptian and Mayan architecture. So I don't understand why so many people got hung up over that being the underlying theme of the movie. We got Indy back. Marrion, too. A plausible character for Indy to one day pass his torch to. And Indy was the same Indy we've known since the IP has existed. You know, I have to wonder... If Raiders of the Lost Ark had come out in the Internet age, would it have come across as being as beloved by the global audience, or would have all these armchair critics hiding behind text on a screen ripped it up one side and down the other like they do everything else?
They should've adapted Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis or Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine to the screen, with major involvement from Hal Barwood.
iLikeTheUDK they should have done a 4th Indiana Jones movie around the years 93-95ish and had Indy involved with World War 2 since he was a colonel in the OSS and make it a fictional adventure that ended as a result of an actual event like D-day, Dunkirk or battle of the bulge since many things could have gone wrong during those battles which would have had a history changing result.
@@simonphoenix5768 "actual event like D-day, Dunkirk or battle of the bulge since many things could have gone wrong during those battles which would have had a history changing result." NONE of those battles had a history changing event. The Wehrmacht was defeated on the Eastern Front. Period. By the time the allies launched D-day Germany had been on the retread for over a year and were now at the borders of Poland. You can read all about it on official German military archives (Feldgrau) and AxisHistory. An eye opener for the ignorant. To put it simply, 80% of the German casualties were on the Eastern Front. Also in June 1944, there were 192 German divisions tied on the Eastern Front all the way from Finland to Romania (you can't even find those countries on a map) whereas 64 were in France. 192 German divisions in the east vs 64 in France. Where was the war decided again?? You absolutely sure those battles you mention were so crucial for the overall defeat of the Third Reich?? Feldgrau and AxisHistory. They both use official records from the war. Learn a thing or two. Nothing could have gone wrong during those battles. Germany was already beaten and desperately short on oil, metals, men and raw material. The only thing it did was saving the western part of continental Europe from the reds. And Dunkirk?? Why not the far more important battle of El Alamein? Do you only know whatever you see in Hollywood films?? Another thing: Indiana Jones isn't a soldier. Never was, never will be. He doesn't even like the government who fooled him in Raider of the Lost Ark. And who needs him to *completely rewrite history* are you for real? It's insulting on a ton of levels. As for making a 4th Indiana Jones movie in 93-95. 1) Harrison Ford already said before they made The Last Crusade that it would be absolutely the last time he was Indiana Jones. 2) Steven Spielberg wanted a trilogy and end on a high. 3) George Lucas was busy shooting his rather bad "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles". Don't come up with any more "good ideas". Adieu
So basically George is that drunk friend who shows up at your house and tries to talk you into duct taping yourself fireworks and setting them off inside the garage because it would just be so funny
They should’ve taken more time with the script. If they were doing interdimensional beings, would not have been interesting to see possibly traveling to other dimensions with time travel mixed in? Like a dimension where the Nazis won World War II thanks to the Ark, or even moloram dominating the world or of course Germany claiming the Holy Grail? In the state of mind that Indiana is in at the start of the film, would it not of been fascinating seeing him look at the possibilities of him not succeeding or him not getting involved in these key moments in his personal history set against the fact that he has a child born out of wedlock? Like he wasted his life? I guess George Bailey done by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas.
Wire Frame But then came the title “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull”, instead. That was a much better title for a movie than “Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men” or some crap like that.
I didn't mind the whole transition from 1930's action-adventure to 1950's sci-fi concept, and I was also always interested in the fascinated by legend of the crystal skulls, but the way that this movie was executed was just horrible. The script, the acting, and the overall plot was garbage. I still enjoyed it though but certainly was a disappointment to the franchise.
Tom Portengen Sorry I had not seen your previous message. My reply was to the guy who posted the Fate of Atlantis. I have not played the Empreror's Tomb and can not say. But if it was just as good as FoA then why not!
How to get a movie made, by George Lucas: > Have a terrible idea for a movie > Nag your friend for years so he'll direct it > Change names around untill he reluctantly agrees > Get it "on the right track" > Have your best friend make himself do it > Laugh all the way to the bank
I think I'm one of the few people who legitimately like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Placed in the 50s, a time where Aliens as concept was really taking off( no pun intended ). Plus with only afew lost civilizations and treasures why not include something more sci-fi? Interdementional beings are also kinda a more exepted idea for fiction these days. Also there's just alot of stuff I like. The jungle, the father son dynamic, the references to Cold War Era espionage and secret programs. The new special effects that led way to more veriaty of action scenes, the return of the girl from the first movie. And the crystal skull itself is just a cool plot device.
What's frustrating is that parts of Indy 4 are actually good. The Yale chase scene is vintage Indiana Jones, everything up until perhaps the nuked fridge is fun, Harrison Ford is clearly having a blast throughout and that would normally be enough to carry the movie, but Indy is both sidelined at the climax and saddled with a plot where he just follows John Hurt rather than take a proactive role. But overall, the story takes a big downturn after Marion shows up and never recovers.
For me it’s mostly really fun until the last 20 minutes with the alien stuff but it’s mostly a fun action serial action and adventure that the series is known for.
Everyone here is saying George Lucas is an uncreative hack. I disagree. I think Lucas is extremely creative and has top-notch instincts about what makes a good film. His idea of updating Indiana Jones's "adventure serial from the 1930s" concept into a sci-fi B-movie of the 50s is genius, and as Lucas points out it's age appropriate for Harrison Ford in a way no other idea would have been. The problem with George Lucas isn't that he's not creative, but that he's neither a good writer nor a good director. But he has friends, and he has money, and he has lots of influence, so no one can stop him from writing and directing. He should stop after the idea phase and let a better writer and director take it from there, maybe participating in storyboarding and design. He did that with The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, and with the first three Indiana Jones films, and the results were (mostly) amazing. In this instance Spielberg should have insisted on hiring a good screenwriter to implement Lucas's idea. Instead they scrapped the good script (search the web for "Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods" to read the same story implemented by a better writer), and instead used Lucas's script, bringing half of the horror of the Star Wars prequels to Indiana Jones. Such a sad missed opportunity.
"His idea of updating Indiana Jones's "adventure serial from the 1930s" concept into a sci-fi B-movie of the 50s is genius" THAT was the worst idea of the whole movie! You can't put a character that is based on the 1930s action adventure serials into a B Sci-Fi movie of the 50s.
Actually no....the movie wasnt funny at all, only lame ass moments that "tried" to make you laugh, it had all these incredible stupid scenes like Shia LaBeouf with monkeys (like Shia LaBeouf wasnt terrible addition enough), overall the whole script was terrible with lame-ass ending of aliens from another dimension. In my list it goes to the one of the most disappointing movies made, one that should have NOT been made (really wish Spielberg had stick with that decision), for me it as lame as 4th Pirates of the Caribbean movie was and I can only hope that atleast the upcoming Star Wars movies will be better than either of these disappointing movies.
Balnazzardi I agree with most of the points here, however I for one quite like Shia and thought he did an all right job, but yeah his character needed work for sure( like you mentioned with the script). Harrison once again did an amazing job as Indiana (Obviously) and I could just about handle the story... right up until they brought aliens into it, I mean if they had like hinted at aliens or something it wouldn't have been as bad, but to actually show the aliens and make them try to kill for no apparent reason was bull shit. im not a die hard Indy fan, but aliens DO NOT belong in these films, like at all... The car falling onto the tree to safely plop them in the water and the swinging on the vines scene also just made me think....Really?!?!... Did that actually just happen? >.>
Balnazzardi Absolutly,…the mistery plot is revealed from the start sequence…it betray the supernatural characteristics of the "object" right from the begining…and destroy the classic tension in the INdiana jones squeme that were: is the objet only an ancient myth or is it actually a mistical superpowered relic?….my theory is that the skull start to make sounds and domain antzs and do mistical things,…because they hadnt really good ideas to put in the film. Is like the ufo the tarzan thing etc ,..they puted it because they lost absolutly the conection with what an Indy film musted to be. For example what about the start finshing adventure of every begining in the Indy films. Where is it in this fourth istalment?..(btw sorry my english)
Beanybob95 Just to clear up one plot point: the one alien we see at the film's end did not intentionally kill anyone. Spalko was given a single wish for returning the final skull, and her request was to "know everything". She didn't expect the alien to translate that literally, so the overload of mental information killed her.
Moviefan2k4 But in his magnificent superior intelligence the Alien must know that that will kill her so, here is the fact that this as many other details in the plot are bad writed poorly thinked and skematicly planned
First, Steven clearly says it was Harrison the first one to start this over again. And second, Geroge Lucas it's been a MASSIVE INFLUENCE in many aspects of movie making, more than people is aware of (non-lineal editing, digital cinema, sound quality, visual effects...) No matter how many nonsense he's done during the last part of his career. His achievements deserve all the respect for me. WE HAVE DIGITAL CAMERAS thanks to him. He started to talk about digital cinema back in the 80's.
I loved the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I don't get why fans bitch about the aliens being in the story; it's just as goofy as having some gold box open up and a bunch of ghosts kill Nazis. How about a guys heart being ripped out of his chest and still being able to scream before being dropped in lava? What about water from a copper cup miraculously healing a bullet wound? Come on, get real!
I don't get it either! That's the world of indiana jones, where one's suspension of disbeliefs happens. Why are Aliens and refrigerators soo outlandish misplaced?
+Bahoma - 246 The only way he could end it on a high note would be to kill off Indy's Wife and Son. Perhaps ILM can make Harrison Ford look young enough for a prequel?
Raiders of the Lost Ark had a magical ark, The Last Crusade had a grail that heals people, and The Temple of Doom had a witch doctor that can remove a live beating heart with his bare hands. NOW people have a problem with Indiana Jones 4 being too silly? I think Aliens are every bit as plausible as the plots from the original trilogy. So many people just jumped on this bandwagon of hating Indiana Jones 4, for a reason that could be easily placed on the original 3 movies.
***** My point was that Aliens are no more ridiculous than the 'magic' that was present in the first three films. It all comes down to personal opinion, and I found the 4th film to be a really entertaining addition to the franchise.
Ben Russell Granted, but Indiana Jones movies pay homage to old action/adventure film reals. They are have a certain formula, and for the Indy movies, it is "The Mcguffen is supernatural and religious". The sci-fi bend throws people for a loop because it totally breaks the formula of the Indy movies. Basically the movie failed because people cant adapt to change and accept new ideas, instead sticking to traditions.
Kyle Rhulain You make a valid point about the formula changing. If people said they disliked the movie because Lucas "changed the formula," then I would understand. However, when people say they hate the movie because "aliens are ridiculous," that's when I get pretty annoyed. You get where I'm coming from, right?
Ben Russell I do. But I thought about it one day and realized that what they are really upset by is the formula change as many of the people who say that to me love sci-fi stories.
Spielberg: well alright we will do it. but what should we call it? George: well i have an idea. Spielberg: what is it then? George: "Indianna Jones and the saucer men" Spielberg: YOU WHERE THE CHOSEN ONE! YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MOST VISIONARY OUT OF ALL OF US YOU SAID YOU WOULD BEAT HOLLYWOOD NOT BECOME THEM! THAT YOU WOULD MAKE THE NEW MOVIES BETTER NOT LEAVE THEM IN A SHADOW OF THEIR FORMER SELFS!...I loved you... George: well how about "Indianna Jones and the attack of the giant ants" Spielberg: your dead to me
After I watched this movie for the first time on DVD, I was shocked and disappointed at how bad it was. The shock was because it had Spielberg's name attached. What a relief it was for me to watch these interviews afterwords and learn that EVERY bad idea in the movie came from Lucas. Spielberg was just there for damage control. Lucas wanted B-Movie space aliens. Spielberg said no. They compromised on dimensional. Lucas wanted Harrison to have a daughter. Spielberg said no. They compromised on a son. Lucas wanted Saucer Men. Spielberg said no. They compromised on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. And it goes on. I'm still sad it has Spielberg's name attached, but it would have been so much worse if he hadn't been involved. Poor Indy.
The first three, were brilliant. Biblical mysteries, supernatural aspects. Then, alien stuff pops in. Nooooo! I was so disappointed when I saw it. I see the first three over and over again, but I leave out the fourth installment. Don't fit in. Nah. Nope!
I don't think the problem was the idea of making another Indy film, the problem was the thematic, the style of the movie itself...but making more Indy films is a good idea. There are some characters (in movies, in literature...) that can live dozens of adventures, and with good ideas and good mediums those stories can be made. Some would be good, some bad, but the character of Indy is good and solid enough to create a ton of new adventures for him. If only Ford was younger...
I liked it too, and it had all the usual Indy elements-new/imaginative scenery and situations, the bigger-than-life/mysterious paranormal stuff that Indy always gets caught up in, clever feats of physical daring by Indy and others that have little chance of succeeding but somehow do, antagonists chasing after and threatening the good guys, some kind of obsessed villain, era-specific references and sets galore, and the usual/common IJ-style film devices (e.g., the plane flying as an arrow over a map to show the change of locations). I don't mind SOME nostalgia and references to the earlier films (Marian returns, snakes, etc.) so long as they don't distract from the main story and become too kitschy, and this film thankfully didn't overdo it. The idea of having Indy survive a nuclear blast in a fridge blown clear of the blast zone; the motorcycle-being-chased-across-the-campus hither and yon and through the library; the giant red ants sequence with the amphibicar driving into a treetop that lowers it into the river below; the various stages of progress Indy and Mutt make in tracking down Oxley; and the revelation of the endless warehouse which stores the Ark of the Covenant being at Area 51; were all GREAT. And there was the appropriate amount of banter and character-conflict humor too. And somehow I didn't MIND the CGI in all the ways that it was used because I don't mind it so long as it doesn't look fake or contrived. The final saucer-taking-off-into-another-dimension scene was epic and very well done, and really HAD to be CGI. No complaints. That aliens may be interdimensional instead of extraplanetary beings is an ongoing and legitimate discussion within current UFO circles too, and not a cop out by George Lucas. So I don't fault Lucas for having a bad story idea here. It's a clever and interesting premise and is pretty well fleshed out through the film. Perhaps some of the dialogue could be improved; most of the acting was fine and with the right touch of campiness-or perhaps 'comic bookishness' is a better term. But Indiana Jones films have always been in that 'imaginative adventure' vein and for me it 'works' just as its prequels did. They were bigger-than-life much of the time too (e.g., Hitler ending up face to face with Indy and signing his father's grail diary). Cate Blanchett's Russian accent faltered slightly in a few places but she was otherwise great, as was the late John Hurt. I would find slight fault with Shia looking not quite enough like Harrison, but that is a casting director's/director's issue and he was otherwise fine as Mutt. Shia has since proved to be an outspoken oddball in many ways, but he was in this film to play a character who is NOT himself so that doesn't really matter so much to me. And he got to wear a cool biker jacket besides. Ethan Hawke would have looked more like Harrison, but was already too old to play Mutt. The film's directing and pacing were very good and I had fun watching it. None of the Indiana Jones films takes itself overseriously, and I'm surprised so many fans took this film that way. Note to Steven Speilberg: Even though Harrison Ford is aging, the character Indiana Jones, who is an American legend in his own time (and an heroic denizen of the world's shadowy underworld), will ALWAYS have another sunset to ride off into. The story was good (and I would argue that it was EASILY superior to the story of STAR WARS/Episode VII); the acting was good, the directing, cinematography and effects were good; and the script was more than acceptable. The film had all the requisite tight-fix situations and action sequences that are necessary for an IJ film. The film drew me in as good films always do-and I'm glad to have a fourth IJ film in addition to the original three. And I give George Lucas-especially after witnessing what Disney has done, in his absence, to STAR WARS-more credit than some people are willing to extend to him for knowing how to conceive and tell a good story.
I get the feeling that lucas is a brilliant idea man with a vivid imagination who needs other people to convert those ideas into audience-friendly mediums....with the right screen writer (and no shia swinging in the trees) paired with the right director, the actual concept of "ancient astronauts" wouldn't have been half bad...let george think, let others execute
Exactly. I would say Lucas is good if not genius at making up a narrative but not necessarily at writing the dialogue that makes the narrative go along its path.
"Repress artistic vision, that's how you make great movies" Actually, that's how you make audience-friendly drivel. Let a great artist like Lucas realize his vision, even if some are put-off by it. By the way, you do know that this "terrible director and writer" is a two time oscar nominee for directing and writing, right?
Yeh So what your saying is Stephen is a kind of Rumpelstiltskin Character and his job is to turn all the shite coming out of George's mouth into gold. Jesus that's some ask!
"They're not aliens they're inter-dimensionals" is such a George Lucas thing to say. 😂
It's actually a popular theory in the UFO community. It would explain the apparent immunity to the laws of physics that observed 'craft' often exhibit.
@@haitolawrence5986 so they live on Earth but in another dimension? Is that what people think
Fine! Fine! Well what do they look like?
They look like aliens.😂
aliens = extraterrestrial beings outside Earth, whether they came from outer space or inter dimensional, if it looks like an alien, swims like an alien, and quacks like an alien, they are an alien!
5:10 "We created Indiana Jones but now it belongs to the world."
No! It belongs in a museum!
+Jon Watson So do you!!! Throw him over the side!!! :D
so do you
Skull belongs in a sealed tomb it was dire.
So do George Lucas, this movie's special effects, and Sean Connery.
Well given Indanas track record with rare artifacts, a museum is the last place it will end up. George listen to Stephen he knows what he's talking about.
"But George _insisted_, 'It'll be just like a B-movie!'"
And that's exactly what it turned out to be, if even.
+AtenRa To be fair, all of the Indiana/Star Wars films were inspired by B movie serials from the 1940's.
Its nothing like a b movie
@@TechnologicallyTechnical shut up
@@katelinmarie5360 th-cam.com/video/PDNZX2nql2Y/w-d-xo.html
@@katelinmarie5360 It's actually true. That is where Indiana and Star Wars series were under the influence. Read the history about it, there's proof on that.
"Indiana Jones And The Saucer Men"
It was at this moment Speilberg should have just left the room and had George committed.
THIS TITLE WORKS AS THE B-MOVIE FEEL... ITS WIERD AS A MOVIE TITLE AND, IT WORKS!!!!! The original title was Indiana Jones and the City of Gold. I remember a concept teaser was shown using the title there, then the official trailer came with the final title.... LOVE
Spielberg is responsible for every piece of shit second of that film. He directed the entire fucking thing. He's responsible for it all, as is every director for the film he shoots. Lucas didn't direct it. Lucas didn't write the script. He only approved the script. If Spielberg didn't want to do it, he should have declined. He's simply trying to whitewash the turd he churned out.
Now they're making Indy 5 and when Lucas opted out and wanted nothing to do with it, Spielberg chickened out and backed out as director because he knew he'd have nobody to blame anything when that film turns out to be shit.
Spielberg is full of it.
@@HTHAMMACK1 You clearly have no idea how filmmaking works
@@HTHAMMACK1 You haven't been paying attention to the Lucas/Spielberg partnership at all. Their friendship transcends any film business context you're attempting to fit your narrative into ---- Spielberg did Lucas AND Ford a favor by doing Skulls.
@@dawsynasay4841 Some of what HTHAMMACK1 said MIGHT have been applicable if not for Lucas/Spielberg's friendship AND their power in the industry. That said: HTHAMMACK1 has it wrong.
Damn was Stephen so much of a nice guy that he never rejected any ideas from George to avoid upsetting him lol?
+jefferson steelflex much error, this comment contains....
+jefferson steelflex George Lucas had one good Idea in 1976, and he's been "Scull Fucking" (pun intended) Movie goers ever since....GOD BLESS Disney for throwing his Star Wars vii script ideas away. That movie would've sucked if George Lucas got to put his "Lucas Mucus" on it
+Twerkenstein
Totally agree. Lucas got too big for his britches.
+Twerkenstein One good idea? Look up "American Graffiti" and then come back to me.
+jefferson steelflex believe that...
"George, I don't want to do another one!"
"George, I don't want to do aliens!"
"...WHAT?!"
"...Fine. Fine."
Poor Steven.
It feels like History Channel. Where it was first about actual history and archeology and now we got Erik von Danniken and his companions shouting aliens to everything they see coz some of these structures of ancient antiquity we can't explain with our modern construction techniques of making hideous concrete boxes and steel skyscrapers that we punch out of the ground extremely quickly and wouldn't even survive 100 years w/o constant maintenance.
George Lucas wanted to do a haunted castle like movie for Indiana Jones 3 but Steven Spielberg didn’t want to because he did Poltergeist back in ‘82, as if his ideas are like a been there done that sort of thing.
@@patrickwilson1459 would've loved to see something like that instead of Last Crusade. I liked it but it felt super safe and for little kids compared to the first 2. It also felt too much like Raiders to me, so I don't get Steven's “been there done that” argument lol.
@@tricko8000but I think that was intentional. Considering how divisive temple of doom was at the time, that last crusade was a good time to go back and play it safe.
Lol you gotta admire Steven and George’s ride or die friendship though. The way Steven describes the interactions is so kid-like, true pal energy.
They're both pedophiles and there are verified quotes from both of them discussing sexual attraction and engagement with minors during their long successful careers
George: Let's do aliens.
Steven: I don't wanna do aliens.
Years later...
George: Maybe you're right. We shouldn't do aliens.
Steven: George, I love ya!
George: We should do inter-dimensional beings.
Steven: What?!
George: Yeah, ever heard of string theory? They're from another dimension.
Steven: Fine! Fine... What do they look like?
George: They look like aliens.
Steven: *_facepalm_*
This story is the best thing to come of Indy 4.
Maybe if that story was better fleshed out, it could have been a pretty great sequel, instead of what we unfortunately got.
Steve.. comon.. don't fold like that buddy
Uhhhh no, it was the Nuke Town map for Call of Duty Black Ops, THAT was the best thing to come out of the movie overall.
George: It's like poetry, it rhymes
Moral of the story is... Don't listen to George
+Raff Real - Diaz Jar jar is the key to all of this ...
+VinceMX I'm assuming its because they are friends and he didn't want to crush George haha
VinceMX exactly. I agree.
Or Harrison? didn't he say it was Harrison's idea?
+Christus Regnet it was Ford's idea for the Bladerunner sequel as well. Let's hope that one works out. It should, because....no Lucas.
"He said, 'Yeah, they're not aliens, they're extra-dimensionals.' I said, WHAT!!???"
LOL Spielberg's face at 3:23
The fact that he said all this stuff and acting like he didn't want to do it, makes me wonder why Spielberg agreed to
+Caleb Folts Humoring an old friend.
Possibly he didn't wanted to piss off Harrison Ford and George Lucas
+adamzanzie How semantically pedantic of him. If they are from outside our dimension then they are foreigners or *aliens* in our dimension. Lucas mincing words and still falling short of reaching the mark... probably just to avoid admitting he was wrong or it was a bad idea in that moment so he was reaching for some sort of defensive explanation... sigh.
+Aamir Ali The best part is how for many, many years it was Harrison Ford who insisted they should never make another Indiana Jones movie, backed up by Steven, but then almost all the blame was put on his back for nagging Lucas and Spielberg to make another. Amazing how Lucas went scot-free from his concept he wrote almost 25 years ago.
Anyway, the franchise actually had a great 4th part. IJ and the Fate of Atlantis. And that game was created by REJECTING the original script for what years later turned into Crystal Skull.
Harrison Ford loves playing Indiana Jones and it's his favorite character to play.
Even though Crystal skull was the worst of the films it was still wonderful to see Harrison play Indiana again.
@Anthony Headway he's not really a star wars fan. Just not a fan of the story's world.
How can you say that is was the worst
If even Indy himself doesn’t want the story to end yet then maybe Harrison knew something Spielberg didn’t 🤷🏼
Indy is character driven not story driven. We’ll go with Indy on any adventure…especially Marion and Indy!
He always said The Mosquito Coast is his favorite movie and role
George has a great imagination, but doesn't have the capacity of
Properly executing them in film in a way that doesn't ruin the experience.
MORE BULLSHIT.
George Lucas "executed" his idea's the way he wanted to. You say that the execution of his stories is shit because you don't like what he made, not because George is narrow minded and doesn't know how to make films, he has lot's of education and has been in the business for years. I seriously doubt you understand how to "execute" stories into good films to the point that you can definitely deem Lucas as a failure. You could have atleast been original with your complaints rather than quote the most cliche Lucas sucks quote in the book.
Star Wars 4 5 6 were good tho
@@VictoryReviews The general over-arching plot of the Star Wars I-III was good too. But it was filled with a poor script, sub par acting, unnecessary CGI, a sudden change to a kids film (minus the third), and the plot really could've been condensed into 2 films.
@@blankname2101 There's a reason he got other people to write/direct the sequels to Star Wars though (Empire and Return). In fact, when making THX 1138, he didn't want to write the script because he wasn't confident in his writing abilities, but Francis Ford Coppola talked him into writing a draft, and upon seeing it, he basically said "Yeah, this sucks" so they got a co-writer for the film (if I remember correctly). So based on that I can't say that it's a coincidence that the critical reception to the Star Wars prequel films was so harsh compared to the original trilogy. All of the evidence points to him not being great at executing things when it comes to writing and directing. He's an idea man, he's very visionary, but unless he's working with other people, whenever he thinks of something he *could* do, he rarely stops to ask if he *should*
The fourth Indiana Jones movie should've been Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis.
I think Indiana Jones and the patriot games would be a good movie. Or indian jones and the quest for cowboys and aliens. Or ooh even better Indian Jones and Boba Fett hunt for enders game.
Funny, I just angered two "fans" whom were passionately defending Crystal Skull as being the same quality as the trilogy.
***** I'd prefer to call them either rip-offs or just laziness as opposed to an homage. What was original was pure garbage. I don't think anyone was expecting the same, but certainly not a Saturday morning cartoon. I've seen better villains in Care Bear movies.
+hectorbolshevik The fourth Indiana Jones movie should've been titled Indiana Jones and the Retirement Fund for Harrison Ford.
+hectorbolshevik I remember hearing that as a potential title in the early 2000's. Was that actually a thing?
I've seen Raiders of the Lost Ark atleast six million times and I have no problem with the *idea* of the fourth film. The alien angle, the rock n roll kid, grumpy old Indy and the soviets were all fine ideas, it's just the awful execution and terrible script that killed it.
Same. I am fine with the alien concept. I just wish the film was handled a bit better.
***** I think the sci-fi angle was cool and a natural direction to take it. They clearly drew inspiration from red scare cold-war era movies about evil invaders and flying saucers. They *certainly* shouldn't have shown the alien though, that was a huge blunder. Almost as big a blunder as the monkeys, the fridge, the ants, the gophers, anything else made with terrible CGI and ofcourse the dialogue.
No matter what term they used, it did come across as 'just another' alien sequence and seemed rather anti-climactic, at least to me. Mr. Spielberg's initial instincts were right, in my opinion. And yes, Mr. Lucas is a visionary. It doesn't make him right every time out. But no doubt they're both geniuses, regardless of what one thinks of this film.
Combining aliens & ancient civilizations with their relics - Stargate did it in 1994, then followed it up with 2 successful series.
I totally agreed with everything you said. The Alien idea was genius, considering it's the 50's and the area 51/ Rosewell era but the lack of execution and story telling failed it.
3:43 = me after watching Crystal Skull
Did you recover? You liked pretty rough.
😂😂😂
This just made me die laughing
I had to click on your timestamp to see which bit you were referencing and when it went to that I laughed hard instantly, well done sir.
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
I wish the series had ended with Last Crusade really. I feel like the sunset ending is the best possible way to end a franchise.
I think Lucas went a bit mad with power after the 80s.
i thought his stories were good, he gave us star wars and indiana jones for god sake, now people are criticizing him because of bad acting, aliens or to much cgi
Well he did write the Crystal Skull and Red Tails, and 2 Ewok movies everyone forgets about. Then again he also did Willow. See HIS original trilogy had lots of help and input from other people. They were a collaborative effort like filmmaking should be. The prequels were all him though, so the blame for those pieces of garbage fall entirely on his shoulders. His response after the prequels was saying he would never make a star wars movie again. But wait George you had said that there were 9 movies in your plan. And then you even said Disney didn't want your ideas for 7, 8, and 9? Your making this up as you go along aren't you? I've seen the Empire deleted scenes Leia was never originally Luke's sister was she?
now starwind........the sequel trilogy as of right now sucks because of terrible story and terrible characters
My opinion was Star Wars was great as that original trilogy like Indiana Jones was. Disney has done better then the prequels and the 2 ewok movies but... They are no where near as good as the originals and in no way better so making them is all about cash now. Why make them if they aren't going to be better, money that's why. Disney spent a ton so we will get a lifetime of Star Wars now. Disney also fucked up by not planning out the next three stories so they are now making it up as they go along more or less. Hell even the Force Awakens was getting rewrites mid way through filming. It's a case of you can't go home again. Also why I hope to hell that Hollywood stays away from things like a Back to the Future remake or sequel.
LMFAO I hope that's sarcasm. If not then what exactly is good about the prequels? """Story"""?, Characters?, and you can't say light saber fights since that was one of the worst parts.
See, I actually like Lucas' idea of making it in the spirit of 50's sci-fi B-movies, it really IS the natural cinematic progression from the 30's serials the originals were based off of. My only real complaint with Indy 4 is that it's uninspired, it's got a "same old, same old" nostalgic feel that while enjoyable, wasn't thrilling. I don't think it's actually a bad movie, but it does make you long for Raiders and Crusade more.
It's also shot REALLY REALLY BADLY. Kingdom of the Crystal skull visually LOOKS WORSE than any other indiana jones movie beforehand, even I understood that even as a kid. Lucas has proven that he doesn't know how to make a movie look good from how he plasters CGI all over the place!
Indiana Jones and the Senile Mind of George Lucas
Nick Schireson it wasn't just George Lucas.. you forgot Harrison Ford who coaxed Lucas into doing another and Spielberg who ended up doing another despite not wanting to do any more..
Nick Schireson Hahahaha
I swear the guy's been senile since at least 1990.
Indiana Jones & the Baby-Boomers!
Still waiting on this movie to get the starwars prequel treatment of going from loathed to loved
We’ll see what happens when the Spielberg and Lucas-less Indy 5 from Disney finally comes out. Lol
I liked it. The film was decent. Didn't touch the first three but it was a good movie. Also I liked the star wars prequels. Think clone wars has also somehow made them better.
I have not seen the prequel love of which you speak.
Thats the comment I was looking for, we can see the parallels, really hope Indy 5 is good but I have learned with the shitty sequels that when there is no passion for the project, it can be the worst thing ever.
lol, George must be one of those friends Spielberg met at film school that he couldn't get rid of.
oh Shut up and go away
He kinda was...
+Christus Regnet nah he's right. Here, take this L.
Fun fact, he didn't even meet him at film school cause Spielberg was never accepted into a film program. He met George at a film festival in UCLA.
Clarence Deng
ah, so Spielberg was in debt to Lucas. That would make sense.
Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men....
Jesus H. Christ this guy!!!!
Lmao
+Fede
"Just don't eat all the fish at once..."
+Fede The Saucer Men are the key to all this.
(slaps) that's for blasphemy.
What's "H. Christ?"
Is Steven Spielberg still going to direct a fifth Indy-Film? Cause Lucas is out of the picture now.
maybe its going to be good
@106055137909832290626 I really hope so! Can't wait to see Indy 5.
I'm guessing the movie is gonna take place in the 1960s. What do you think? Maybe Spielberg could expand on Cold War overtones established in 'Kingdom of the Crystal Skull'.
Tom Brearley-Smith Sitting around the time of Vietnam War fellow the death of JFK... I see, sounds a lot different than the original trilogy.
the fact that lucas is out now probably means it'll be good or at least it will be better than anything it would be if he was still involved
honestly george describing what he wanted sounded like a good movie
Great ideas, poor execution. Classic George Lucas
How to make a great Indiana Jones movie? Keep George Lucas as far away form the set as possible.
***** JJ Abrams is gonna kill Star wars
Strav9 I hope so
220volt74 except for he co-wrote the stories for all the Indiana Jones films as well as producing them so the series wouldn't even exist without him. The Crystal Skull was truly awful but Lucas, despite not being perfect & taking it too far, knows (or did know) how to do a good story & make a good film.
Strav9 No, JJ is bringing star wars back
TheSoloTrooper and killing it
Well, now that I know it was *supposed* to be like a B movie, it makes a lot more sense.
The problem is that even the old ones were supposed to be like that.
Personally I thought Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was too similar, or at least overly similar considering the new setting.
Yeah, see, I knew that going in and I still like it. But if you study the first trilogy, you could've figured out what they were doing without being told.
If you're a film maker, and Lucas rings you with an "idea", hang up on him.
Me too
Eliot McCann you people have absolutely no respect. Seriously go fuck yourselves.
Emmanuelle Rodriguez
yep. fuck them
Yes, ideas from the guy that produced the franchises of Star Wars and Indiana Jones you should hang up on, great advice.
I dunno. I think his ideas have merit but need to go through a filter to remove all the excess. Like I have no problem with a 4th Indy film in theory OR a big budget version of the B movies he's talking about, but not together.
"I tend to remember a lot of bad reviews for Raiders...and a lot of bad reviews for Temple..and a lot of bad reviews for Crusade. The bad reviews for Crystal Skull didn't phase me, I'm right on track." - Steven Spielberg.
He's right.... And if you let the negative affect youre dicisions, then you are destined to repeat and open up more disillusionment. Use the positives as a Gatorade and drink up the fortune and glory, KiD! Treasure was KNOWLEDGE..! It is THEiR Treasure!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D ;D :) ;D :D ;) :D :D
*** *CUE INDIANA JONES THEME*** ** ** **
All of the 4 have largely positive reviews.
I can just imagine that pitch:
Guy: How about "Indiana Jones and the Son of Indiana Jones?
George: That's not too bad-
Steven: GET THE FUCK OUT.
That was my favorite of those title pitches
@@goldenlightpictures6223 on how ridiculous it sounded, sure.
Even when Spielberg heard Lucas was dropping aliens, spielberg is like that is the best decision you've made in the past 30 years and lucas said they're from inter dimension, Spielberg must of been thinking in his head " Really? That is even more stupid than fucking aliens."
lol
+Yorick Moran I never cared where they are from, although the description felt lame, it is unknown though how the real existing skulls(in British Museum) were made so perfectly out of crystal back then, couple of thousands years ago...
The fact that they still made then look like aliens, made the idea even more stupid.
If George wanted to do a 1950s sci-fi B-movie, that’s fine. But Indiana Jones just doesn’t work with that kind of setting. A movie about the crystal skulls could work with Indy, cause they’re already sort of historically mythical artifacts. But aliens just don’t work at all.
LOL What? HELL no, the best decisions for Lucas to make in the past "30 years" was making Revenge of the Sith and the World Building of the prequel movies. Stop with your ignorant hating nonsense you fool as you're not proving anything here.
Based on this video, you had Spielberg who didn't want to direct, Lucas who kept throwing concepts that Spielberg wasn't passionate about, and Ford wanting to be in another Indy movie so bad that he would've went with anything. It sounds like no one knew what the hell they wanted to do. They all just took bits of ideas from each other and just went with it. If only their vision could've been clear we would've gotten a much better Indy flick.
The originals did a fantastic job of mimicking 1930 serials. I think it was a great idea by George to have this one mimic 1950's Sci-Fi. It seems like that idea may have been lost along the way a little, because the film didn't really come across that way to me.
Other interviews have said Steven insisted on shoehorning in the "treasure hunt" for the skull, which ends up being a bizarre diversion in the movie. They explain that John Hurt RE-HID the skull in that cave, which kind of ruins the whole art of the treasure hunt. If you're hunting for an ancient treasure, shouldn't Indy be the one to discover it for the first time? Not getting some other treasure hunter's sloppy seconds.
I think the biggest mistake in this movie was explaining that Sean Connery (Indy's father) was dead. The man drank from the holy grail in Last Crusade. He should have been living disease free at least for several more decades than he normally would have lived. They didn't have to mention him or explain that he was dead just because Sean Connery didn't want to be a part of this movie.
Funny how most of the comments are saying "It's George's fault," when Spielberg clearly says in the video that it was Harrison Ford who gave Lucas the idea to start on Indy 4. I guess we can't blame Harrison Ford or else he'll shoot us first :D
Retro Universe People just like to blame everything on George Lucas.
It’s because the problem isn’t necessarily just that they made another Indy movie. It’s the movie they made that’s the problem, and it sounds like most of the conceptualizing for what the movie ended up being was done by George.
@@AWSVids At least it would have been something different and not a rehash or a soft reboot.
And fridge idea was from Spelberg.
It is executed perfectly and Steven George Koepp and Harrison should be lifted for their success creation!
Knowing where George was coming from and what he was trying to do the movie makes so much more sense
LOL NO it doesn't at all. It's the same overall issues you had with the prequels now BROUGHT into a Indiana Jones movie. Spielberg directed this movie but you can see Luca's handprints ALL over this film entirely.
"I wasn't trying to make this bigger or better"
Mission success.
When George gets a stupid idea he just can't drop it.
Jar Jar is the key to all this.
+LostClayProductions He may have gone too far in a few places. But it was stylistically designed to be that way.
I thought you were guna say,
when George lucas gets a bad idea he gets millions of $$
+CaptainFantastik1 It was so dense
Thanks to that we got Star Wars and Indi, so yeah we will take it.
@@aesir1ases64yeah man, i mean, due to this type of idiot comment that makes george sells Star Wars to Disney
Wait...this was *Ford's* fault?
Harry, how could you?
Poor Harrison just enjoyed playing Indy so much, he didn’t know what was coming. Hopefully Indy 5 is great
Harrys an actor they always have bad ideas cos theyre not writers, but Steven has no excuse he shouldve said no but he let Lucas hen peck him into it.
saucer men and attack of the giant ants
India Jones is one of the best franchises out there, but aliens in the last one fucked it up.
no, bad scriptwriting and really bad decisions like too much CGI fucked it up. In the end: another in an endless list of movies that simply should not have been made!
***** That too, but I mean aliens? After amazing other Indiana Jones movies, why the fuck add aliens?
The The Haha dumbass, I said the franchise. This Alien movie was shit. I DO enjoy the prequels, except episode one. you're probably one of those "fans that enjoyed The Force Awakens
The The should've won the Nobel Peace prize, oscars, best movie of the motherfucking year, and best cgi! Now you're a REAL sad person for dissing the prequels, but supports shit movies like TFA smh. Shame on you! 😢
The The Indy 4 was completely stupid af. That movies shouldn't have been made
My favorite lines in this movie was toward the end:
Mutt: "Where'd they go? Into space?"
Ox: "Not into space... Into the space between spaces..."
something about the delivery just sent chills down my spine. That's some deep stuff there.
I hope you're serious, because youre right! That epidiomises the entire theology of the Myans worshiping their "gods" and aliens that MAY crashed onto Earth and could look like that. It's a switch of the Day the Earth Stood Still mixed and a bit of Tomb Raider in there with the super alien elements!
@@SB992REBORN I was serious. I actually liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. It had its ridiculous moments, like Mutt swinging through the trees like the monkeys Or Indy surviving being launched hundreds of feet inside a refrigerator by the shockwave of a nuclear blast. But the plot didn't bother me.
The Indiana Jones films have upheld religious stories and pulled from different legends and treated them all as undeniable fact. Alien influence has been a long-running narrative ind a variety of circles concerning Egyptian and Mayan architecture. So I don't understand why so many people got hung up over that being the underlying theme of the movie. We got Indy back. Marrion, too. A plausible character for Indy to one day pass his torch to. And Indy was the same Indy we've known since the IP has existed.
You know, I have to wonder... If Raiders of the Lost Ark had come out in the Internet age, would it have come across as being as beloved by the global audience, or would have all these armchair critics hiding behind text on a screen ripped it up one side and down the other like they do everything else?
@@Opnn8d1 Right! They would say it’s too religious and the spirits of God at the end would unhinge them.
Indiana Jones And The Saucer Men?
Indiana Jones And The Attack of the Giant Ants?
Jesus, I thought Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a shitty title!
lol
***** Indiana Jones and the Assault by the CGI Prairie Dogs.
***** Indiana Jones and The Quest To Shit On The Series.
***** LaBeouf
***** Indiana Jones & the Search for Regularity. :) Oooh.
It's interesting that Paramount would include a documentary on the dvd in which the director actually says he didn't want to make the movie...
And Kathleem Kennedy refused to leave well enough alone, which is why we are getting a fifth film without Spielberg and Lucas.🙄
"I thought that it was a terrible idea, but George insisted"
Lucas lost his way post 1980s
George Lucas.
Enough said.
saucer men...seriously George, go get us some coffee or something
MephilesRider The creator of the Star Wars saga, Indiana Jones and American Graffiti.
Enough said.
He created Indiana Jones in the 1st place you fucktard
3:35 "So I said, 'Fine...fine.'"
Famous last words.
George Lucas is the only person I know who enjoys destroying their own work. Do you see Christopher Nolan releasing an Inception Special Edition?
He does get abit obessed like that, how many special editions, or remasterings of Starwars Trilogy hes done.
Nolan is currently remasting Batman trilogy though
Wait until the next 10 to 15 years
Julius Ulit That is pretentious drivel to begin with.
Julius Ulit I like the Star Wars Special Editions. People don’t give them enough credit, but they improved many things in the saga.
They should've adapted Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis or Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine to the screen, with major involvement from Hal Barwood.
+iLikeTheUDK That was always my feeling too.
iLikeTheUDK Atlantis would've been cool! How about it would be about the Russians on the hunt for the city of Atlantis?
iLikeTheUDK they should have done a 4th Indiana Jones movie around the years 93-95ish and had Indy involved with World War 2 since he was a colonel in the OSS and make it a fictional adventure that ended as a result of an actual event like D-day, Dunkirk or battle of the bulge since many things could have gone wrong during those battles which would have had a history changing result.
@@simonphoenix5768 "actual event like D-day, Dunkirk or battle of the bulge since many things could have gone wrong during those battles which would have had a history changing result." NONE of those battles had a history changing event. The Wehrmacht was defeated on the Eastern Front. Period. By the time the allies launched D-day Germany had been on the retread for over a year and were now at the borders of Poland.
You can read all about it on official German military archives (Feldgrau) and AxisHistory. An eye opener for the ignorant. To put it simply, 80% of the German casualties were on the Eastern Front. Also in June 1944, there were 192 German divisions tied on the Eastern Front all the way from Finland to Romania (you can't even find those countries on a map) whereas 64 were in France. 192 German divisions in the east vs 64 in France. Where was the war decided again?? You absolutely sure those battles you mention were so crucial for the overall defeat of the Third Reich??
Feldgrau and AxisHistory. They both use official records from the war. Learn a thing or two.
Nothing could have gone wrong during those battles. Germany was already beaten and desperately short on oil, metals, men and raw material. The only thing it did was saving the western part of continental Europe from the reds. And Dunkirk?? Why not the far more important battle of El Alamein? Do you only know whatever you see in Hollywood films??
Another thing: Indiana Jones isn't a soldier. Never was, never will be. He doesn't even like the government who fooled him in Raider of the Lost Ark. And who needs him to *completely rewrite history* are you for real? It's insulting on a ton of levels.
As for making a 4th Indiana Jones movie in 93-95. 1) Harrison Ford already said before they made The Last Crusade that it would be absolutely the last time he was Indiana Jones. 2) Steven Spielberg wanted a trilogy and end on a high. 3) George Lucas was busy shooting his rather bad "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles".
Don't come up with any more "good ideas". Adieu
@@theirondukew.8522: You care way too much for your own opinion...
There were 3 movies. No more. No less.
I dont think Spielberg's heart was in this film like it was with Raiders and Last Crusade.
I would argue that The Temple of Doom has more heart in it than the others.
@@albundy7794 literally, gally mar.
4:02 Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men? Wow George, just wow.
Saucer men? Someone needs to take Lucas out back Old Yeller style.
After we watch the 5th one, we'll appreciate the 4th one quite a bit. Mark my words.
Are you sure about that?
Congratulations, you’re a prophet
IGN recently said the same exact thing!
You were so right all this time.
They both go in the same tier for me.
1 and 3
2
4 and 5
and now here we are now with Indiana Jones The Dial of Destiny on the Way!
😂 There will always only be three movies in my world.
I almost cried when I left the cinema at the midnight premiere after watching Indy 4. Almost cried from disappointment...
I know, right?! Me too!! I was SO MAD!
yeah!
We all cried a little that day
Kalle72 ugh! You're whining cause it had aliens you dumb baby
it wasn't garbage you guys are being over dramatic
GEORGE LUCAS !!!!! How many trilogies can he spoil?
sanch Sanchayan the same number of brilliant & hugely successful ones he created I would guess
So 1 then?
***** two... He ruined the Star Wars trilogy, and he ruined the Indiana Jones trilogy
+Ono Jin He created nothing. The editors made the original Star Wars series what they were.
+Who Cares Calm down, Skippy. As I stated, the final product that was the first film had little to do with Lucas.
So basically George is that drunk friend who shows up at your house and tries to talk you into duct taping yourself fireworks and setting them off inside the garage because it would just be so funny
how does george come up with the best and worst ideas
Scott Coleman seriously... makes no dang sense.
George Lucas turned into M. Night Shamalaladindong a long time ago(1999) in a galaxy far far away.
Shamalangadingdong.....hahaha, that's how I refer to hm as well....haha
+Mark Ukrainetz Wait till you see The Visit.
+Mark Ukrainetz You'll take it all back after you see The Visit.
How about Indiana Jones and the Ocarina of Time
TheAnGryPOolMaN Indiana Jones and the Majora's Mask xD
Indiana Jones and the Penis Hat of Doom
Indiana Jones in south park
They should’ve taken more time with the script. If they were doing interdimensional beings, would not have been interesting to see possibly traveling to other dimensions with time travel mixed in? Like a dimension where the Nazis won World War II thanks to the Ark, or even moloram dominating the world or of course Germany claiming the Holy Grail? In the state of mind that Indiana is in at the start of the film, would it not of been fascinating seeing him look at the possibilities of him not succeeding or him not getting involved in these key moments in his personal history set against the fact that he has a child born out of wedlock? Like he wasted his life? I guess George Bailey done by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas.
Artisan1979 that would have been awesome I wish they did that now
Time travel…. Hmmm
It's as if the writers of dial of destiny saw this comment
You're a prophet my guy
This movie was doomed from the start. I really hope they can take it back to a film that feels more raidersesque.
I doubt it.
It wasn't "Doomed" from the start, it was just VERY poorly executed but it could have been done better.
Indiana Jones and saucer men .................(facepalm)
Wire Frame He did want a 50s b movie vibe.
Wire Frame But then came the title “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull”, instead. That was a much better title for a movie than “Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men” or some crap like that.
I didn't mind the whole transition from 1930's action-adventure to 1950's sci-fi concept, and I was also always interested in the fascinated by legend of the crystal skulls, but the way that this movie was executed was just horrible. The script, the acting, and the overall plot was garbage. I still enjoyed it though but certainly was a disappointment to the franchise.
コボアンドレス I really have to wonder what film they would've made had they not let the success of Independence Day skew their original plans.
a flawed fun movie, nothing to be overly upset like some films (cough cough tlj lol)
Even though it’s inferior to the original trilogy, it’s not a bad movie
Indians Jones and the yada yada yada....I would love to see that.
DaveKarl, What's the story?
Paul Pruett, Do you have a title?
Costarring Jerry Seinfeld and Jason Alexander.
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis is the TRUE Indy 4
I still don't get all the hate for this movie.
***** Yes it was
No. See, BAD is something like The Room. This, was OK.
Why? The acting was fine, the story was ok, sure there was some CG but it doesn't use any more CG then most other movies. The film was ok.
IF that was the case they would of made a movie like cat woman.
+Litshttam If that was the case then no one would like any of the first three movies.
they should just have ported Fate of Atlantis's storyline as it is. PERFECT Indiana Jones movie
Or the Emperor's tomb.
You are right! But then, it would be a spoiler since many people played the game.
***** But many people played the Fate of atlantis, right?
Tom Portengen
Sorry I had not seen your previous message. My reply was to the guy who posted the Fate of Atlantis. I have not played the Empreror's Tomb and can not say. But if it was just as good as FoA then why not!
*****
it was a good game, but FOA is legendary quality!
Should have called it Indiana Jones and the MgGuffin.
Poor Steven, he was suckered into it by george and Harrison, I think it's his his franchise he should choose if it would've continued or not
Steven's own son suckered his dad to direct Indy 4.
George wrote the 4 of them
Indiana is George's.
It's not his franchise, it's him and George Lucass franchise
he did but its just peer preasure
How to get a movie made, by George Lucas:
> Have a terrible idea for a movie
> Nag your friend for years so he'll direct it
> Change names around untill he reluctantly agrees
> Get it "on the right track"
> Have your best friend make himself do it
> Laugh all the way to the bank
You can't complain much about George Lucas, he has good ideas, time doesn't go well with him.
George's ideas are usually phenomenal. He's just not the best at portraying them. The Star Wars Prequels had fantastic ideas behind them
Did George Lucas made something that wasnt Star Wars or Indiana Jones?
John Carter No, he's talking about the newer films, dumbass!
The Star Wars prequels are great. George Lucas is a very talented filmmaker.
So it all was George Lucas fault!
Is that surprising?
Well It's too late now!
George is really just a kid with ideas, but no idea if they are good or not. He really needs people to reel him in a lot.
And the guy just should not be in charge of naming things. Movies, characters; he just can’t do it.
@@razzledazzle84921 No one complained when he named Greedo Greedo in the first Star Wars movie.
@@jedijones Pretty sure some Jewish people did.
@@razzledazzle84921 You're thinking of Watto.
I think I'm one of the few people who legitimately like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Placed in the 50s, a time where Aliens as concept was really taking off( no pun intended ). Plus with only afew lost civilizations and treasures why not include something more sci-fi? Interdementional beings are also kinda a more exepted idea for fiction these days.
Also there's just alot of stuff I like. The jungle, the father son dynamic, the references to Cold War Era espionage and secret programs. The new special effects that led way to more veriaty of action scenes, the return of the girl from the first movie. And the crystal skull itself is just a cool plot device.
"Indiana Jones and the son of Indiana Jones" was a great title!
What's frustrating is that parts of Indy 4 are actually good. The Yale chase scene is vintage Indiana Jones, everything up until perhaps the nuked fridge is fun, Harrison Ford is clearly having a blast throughout and that would normally be enough to carry the movie, but Indy is both sidelined at the climax and saddled with a plot where he just follows John Hurt rather than take a proactive role. But overall, the story takes a big downturn after Marion shows up and never recovers.
maybe but its not that bad as some say
For me it’s mostly really fun until the last 20 minutes with the alien stuff but it’s mostly a fun action serial action and adventure that the series is known for.
I liked the movie overall honestly
There's no Indiana Jones without Steven Spielberg!
So basically, Indiana Jones 4 failed because of George Lucas.
Everyone here is saying George Lucas is an uncreative hack. I disagree. I think Lucas is extremely creative and has top-notch instincts about what makes a good film. His idea of updating Indiana Jones's "adventure serial from the 1930s" concept into a sci-fi B-movie of the 50s is genius, and as Lucas points out it's age appropriate for Harrison Ford in a way no other idea would have been.
The problem with George Lucas isn't that he's not creative, but that he's neither a good writer nor a good director. But he has friends, and he has money, and he has lots of influence, so no one can stop him from writing and directing. He should stop after the idea phase and let a better writer and director take it from there, maybe participating in storyboarding and design. He did that with The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, and with the first three Indiana Jones films, and the results were (mostly) amazing.
In this instance Spielberg should have insisted on hiring a good screenwriter to implement Lucas's idea. Instead they scrapped the good script (search the web for "Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods" to read the same story implemented by a better writer), and instead used Lucas's script, bringing half of the horror of the Star Wars prequels to Indiana Jones. Such a sad missed opportunity.
i agree, if it werent for george lucas we wouldnt have star wars or maybe indiana jones.
Chris Baty
george lucas is an idiot, the stars wars prequels and indy 4 was lame because of him.
aldo ortiz
God damn it, man! Get over it!
DarkZerepniconStudios
You ask the impossible of people like him. They cannot let go of their hate. The Dark Side has consumed them.
"His idea of updating Indiana Jones's "adventure serial from the 1930s" concept into a sci-fi B-movie of the 50s is genius"
THAT was the worst idea of the whole movie! You can't put a character that is based on the 1930s action adventure serials into a B Sci-Fi movie of the 50s.
For a 4th movie in the franchise, I thought Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was remarkably good. It had everything you wanted in a Indy movie.
Actually no....the movie wasnt funny at all, only lame ass moments that "tried" to make you laugh, it had all these incredible stupid scenes like Shia LaBeouf with monkeys (like Shia LaBeouf wasnt terrible addition enough), overall the whole script was terrible with lame-ass ending of aliens from another dimension.
In my list it goes to the one of the most disappointing movies made, one that should have NOT been made (really wish Spielberg had stick with that decision), for me it as lame as 4th Pirates of the Caribbean movie was and I can only hope that atleast the upcoming Star Wars movies will be better than either of these disappointing movies.
Balnazzardi I agree with most of the points here, however I for one quite like Shia and thought he did an all right job, but yeah his character needed work for sure( like you mentioned with the script). Harrison once again did an amazing job as Indiana (Obviously) and I could just about handle the story... right up until they brought aliens into it, I mean if they had like hinted at aliens or something it wouldn't have been as bad, but to actually show the aliens and make them try to kill for no apparent reason was bull shit. im not a die hard Indy fan, but aliens DO NOT belong in these films, like at all...
The car falling onto the tree to safely plop them in the water and the swinging on the vines scene also just made me think....Really?!?!... Did that actually just happen? >.>
Balnazzardi Absolutly,…the mistery plot is revealed from the start sequence…it betray the supernatural characteristics of the "object" right from the begining…and destroy the classic tension in the INdiana jones squeme that were: is the objet only an ancient myth or is it actually a mistical superpowered relic?….my theory is that the skull start to make sounds and domain antzs and do mistical things,…because they hadnt really good ideas to put in the film. Is like the ufo the tarzan thing etc ,..they puted it because they lost absolutly the conection with what an Indy film musted to be. For example what about the start finshing adventure of every begining in the Indy films. Where is it in this fourth istalment?..(btw sorry my english)
Beanybob95
Just to clear up one plot point: the one alien we see at the film's end did not intentionally kill anyone. Spalko was given a single wish for returning the final skull, and her request was to "know everything". She didn't expect the alien to translate that literally, so the overload of mental information killed her.
Moviefan2k4 But in his magnificent superior intelligence the Alien must know that that will kill her so, here is the fact that this as many other details in the plot are bad writed poorly thinked and skematicly planned
Crystal Skull is actually great fun to watch!
Agreed
Less cgi, remove the nuke scene or at least change the fridge, and remove the vine swinging and it would have been good
First, Steven clearly says it was Harrison the first one to start this over again. And second, Geroge Lucas it's been a MASSIVE INFLUENCE in many aspects of movie making, more than people is aware of (non-lineal editing, digital cinema, sound quality, visual effects...) No matter how many nonsense he's done during the last part of his career. His achievements deserve all the respect for me. WE HAVE DIGITAL CAMERAS thanks to him. He started to talk about digital cinema back in the 80's.
digital cameras suck
@@jacstonebaby Ok then, don't watch any movie made after 2002.
@@jacstonebaby That is why I carry a 70lbs Arriflex and some film reels in my pocket all times. Fuck digital.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Plenty of films have been shot on film after 2002 though.
@@taaviv4185 Not the majority.
I loved the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I don't get why fans bitch about the aliens being in the story; it's just as goofy as having some gold box open up and a bunch of ghosts kill Nazis. How about a guys heart being ripped out of his chest and still being able to scream before being dropped in lava? What about water from a copper cup miraculously healing a bullet wound? Come on, get real!
I don't get it either! That's the world of indiana jones, where one's suspension of disbeliefs happens. Why are Aliens and refrigerators soo outlandish misplaced?
I think after next week, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is going to be seen in a more positive light! It's going to look like The Godfather!
Of course
You're wrong then
I don't care what anybody says, every Indiana Jones movie is amazing
And yet he's still going to direct a fifth Indy-Film.
+Schwatvogel Money money money
+Bahoma - 246 The only way he could end it on a high note would be to kill off Indy's Wife and Son. Perhaps ILM can make Harrison Ford look young enough for a prequel?
+Schwatvogel George Lucas isn't involved. Spielberg knows he can just do what he wants now without the weird creepy kid hanging about
+Rigsby 1 Brutal, but true.
James Mangold.
Raiders of the Lost Ark had a magical ark, The Last Crusade had a grail that heals people, and The Temple of Doom had a witch doctor that can remove a live beating heart with his bare hands. NOW people have a problem with Indiana Jones 4 being too silly? I think Aliens are every bit as plausible as the plots from the original trilogy. So many people just jumped on this bandwagon of hating Indiana Jones 4, for a reason that could be easily placed on the original 3 movies.
***** My point was that Aliens are no more ridiculous than the 'magic' that was present in the first three films. It all comes down to personal opinion, and I found the 4th film to be a really entertaining addition to the franchise.
Ben Russell
Granted, but Indiana Jones movies pay homage to old action/adventure film reals. They are have a certain formula, and for the Indy movies, it is "The Mcguffen is supernatural and religious". The sci-fi bend throws people for a loop because it totally breaks the formula of the Indy movies.
Basically the movie failed because people cant adapt to change and accept new ideas, instead sticking to traditions.
Kyle Rhulain You make a valid point about the formula changing. If people said they disliked the movie because Lucas "changed the formula," then I would understand. However, when people say they hate the movie because "aliens are ridiculous," that's when I get pretty annoyed. You get where I'm coming from, right?
Ben Russell
I do. But I thought about it one day and realized that what they are really upset by is the formula change as many of the people who say that to me love sci-fi stories.
ya and as cinamassacre pointed out that's what people thing the skulls are
0:13 "... riding off into the sunset because that brought the curtain down." Old Steven needs to listen to young Steven.
"Worse idea in the long, sad history of bad ideas." -Jeff Goldblum - The Lost World: Jurassic Park
O.C.TileGuy Thank you for reminding me how much I dislike The Lost World.
negro bsr Yeah, well, that‘s just, like, your opinion, man.
that is another one Spielberg’s worst movies, hah and both this and Lost World are written by the same person; David Koepp
George Lucas... Destroying epic series since 1999.
You do know he created both of them.
Since 1997
Spielberg: well alright we will do it. but what should we call it?
George: well i have an idea.
Spielberg: what is it then?
George: "Indianna Jones and the saucer men"
Spielberg: YOU WHERE THE CHOSEN ONE! YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MOST VISIONARY OUT OF ALL OF US YOU SAID YOU WOULD BEAT HOLLYWOOD NOT BECOME THEM! THAT YOU WOULD MAKE THE NEW MOVIES BETTER NOT LEAVE THEM IN A SHADOW OF THEIR FORMER SELFS!...I loved you...
George: well how about "Indianna Jones and the attack of the giant ants"
Spielberg: your dead to me
Fans: complains about George
George: leaves the game
Disney: enters the game
Fans: "Help us George Lucas, you are our only hope!"
After I watched this movie for the first time on DVD, I was shocked and disappointed at how bad it was. The shock was because it had Spielberg's name attached. What a relief it was for me to watch these interviews afterwords and learn that EVERY bad idea in the movie came from Lucas. Spielberg was just there for damage control.
Lucas wanted B-Movie space aliens. Spielberg said no. They compromised on dimensional.
Lucas wanted Harrison to have a daughter. Spielberg said no. They compromised on a son.
Lucas wanted Saucer Men. Spielberg said no. They compromised on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
And it goes on. I'm still sad it has Spielberg's name attached, but it would have been so much worse if he hadn't been involved. Poor Indy.
Brian Bridges, Poor Indy
The first three, were brilliant. Biblical mysteries, supernatural aspects. Then, alien stuff pops in. Nooooo! I was so disappointed when I saw it. I see the first three over and over again, but I leave out the fourth installment. Don't fit in. Nah. Nope!
Hammern28, I love the first three so much.
I don't think the problem was the idea of making another Indy film, the problem was the thematic, the style of the movie itself...but making more Indy films is a good idea. There are some characters (in movies, in literature...) that can live dozens of adventures, and with good ideas and good mediums those stories can be made. Some would be good, some bad, but the character of Indy is good and solid enough to create a ton of new adventures for him. If only Ford was younger...
I liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Omar Cruz than 30 than ? than than than...
Me too.
I am older Than 30 Than.
I liked it too, and it had all the usual Indy elements-new/imaginative scenery and situations, the bigger-than-life/mysterious paranormal stuff that Indy always gets caught up in, clever feats of physical daring by Indy and others that have little chance of succeeding but somehow do, antagonists chasing after and threatening the good guys, some kind of obsessed villain, era-specific references and sets galore, and the usual/common IJ-style film devices (e.g., the plane flying as an arrow over a map to show the change of locations). I don't mind SOME nostalgia and references to the earlier films (Marian returns, snakes, etc.) so long as they don't distract from the main story and become too kitschy, and this film thankfully didn't overdo it. The idea of having Indy survive a nuclear blast in a fridge blown clear of the blast zone; the motorcycle-being-chased-across-the-campus hither and yon and through the library; the giant red ants sequence with the amphibicar driving into a treetop that lowers it into the river below; the various stages of progress Indy and Mutt make in tracking down Oxley; and the revelation of the endless warehouse which stores the Ark of the Covenant being at Area 51; were all GREAT. And there was the appropriate amount of banter and character-conflict humor too. And somehow I didn't MIND the CGI in all the ways that it was used because I don't mind it so long as it doesn't look fake or contrived. The final saucer-taking-off-into-another-dimension scene was epic and very well done, and really HAD to be CGI. No complaints. That aliens may be interdimensional instead of extraplanetary beings is an ongoing and legitimate discussion within current UFO circles too, and not a cop out by George Lucas.
So I don't fault Lucas for having a bad story idea here. It's a clever and interesting premise and is pretty well fleshed out through the film. Perhaps some of the dialogue could be improved; most of the acting was fine and with the right touch of campiness-or perhaps 'comic bookishness' is a better term. But Indiana Jones films have always been in that 'imaginative adventure' vein and for me it 'works' just as its prequels did. They were bigger-than-life much of the time too (e.g., Hitler ending up face to face with Indy and signing his father's grail diary). Cate Blanchett's Russian accent faltered slightly in a few places but she was otherwise great, as was the late John Hurt. I would find slight fault with Shia looking not quite enough like Harrison, but that is a casting director's/director's issue and he was otherwise fine as Mutt. Shia has since proved to be an outspoken oddball in many ways, but he was in this film to play a character who is NOT himself so that doesn't really matter so much to me. And he got to wear a cool biker jacket besides. Ethan Hawke would have looked more like Harrison, but was already too old to play Mutt. The film's directing and pacing were very good and I had fun watching it. None of the Indiana Jones films takes itself overseriously, and I'm surprised so many fans took this film that way. Note to Steven Speilberg: Even though Harrison Ford is aging, the character Indiana Jones, who is an American legend in his own time (and an heroic denizen of the world's shadowy underworld), will ALWAYS have another sunset to ride off into. The story was good (and I would argue that it was EASILY superior to the story of STAR WARS/Episode VII); the acting was good, the directing, cinematography and effects were good; and the script was more than acceptable. The film had all the requisite tight-fix situations and action sequences that are necessary for an IJ film. The film drew me in as good films always do-and I'm glad to have a fourth IJ film in addition to the original three. And I give George Lucas-especially after witnessing what Disney has done, in his absence, to STAR WARS-more credit than some people are willing to extend to him for knowing how to conceive and tell a good story.
savedfaves I haven’t watched it yet, but I’ll do very soon.
‘The Fridge is the key to all this’
-George Lucas, 2008
Actually it was Spelberg's idea. He wanted to realise it even in Back to the future.
George Lucas: The man responsible for some of your fondest childhood memories, then taking a huge dump on them.
I get the feeling that lucas is a brilliant idea man with a vivid imagination who needs other people to convert those ideas into audience-friendly mediums....with the right screen writer (and no shia swinging in the trees) paired with the right director, the actual concept of "ancient astronauts" wouldn't have been half bad...let george think, let others execute
Exactly. I would say Lucas is good if not genius at making up a narrative but not necessarily at writing the dialogue that makes the narrative go along its path.
"Repress artistic vision, that's how you make great movies"
Actually, that's how you make audience-friendly drivel. Let a great artist like Lucas realize his vision, even if some are put-off by it. By the way, you do know that this "terrible director and writer" is a two time oscar nominee for directing and writing, right?
Probably why The Clone Wars TV series was so much more well received than the Prequels
Yeh
So what your saying is Stephen is a kind of Rumpelstiltskin Character and his job is to turn all the shite coming out of George's mouth into gold. Jesus that's some ask!
Clone Wars was really good. It was like the Old Trilogy