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MAJOR Mistakes These Hair Metal Bands Would Regret
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 เม.ย. 2024
- In this episode, Ryan and I detail 20 mistakes made by hair metal bands. These were decisions that possibly impacted an album, a career, the life of the band, or, in the most tragic situation, cost people their lives. We analyze situations involving AC/DC, Jani Lane and Warrant, Motley Crue, Van Halen, Great White, L.A. Guns, Def Leppard, Cinderella, Dokken, Tuff, Whitesnake, Judas Priest and more. Come along for the ride!
Another great video! Definitely the best "hair metal" channel on TH-cam
Shit, man, thanks a lot for saying that. Seriously. Check's in the mail... --Guru
As primarily a death and thrash guy .Who also loves hair metal I like these kinds of videos
Hey, thanks a lot man, I appreciate it. Seriously.
Ah more hair metal talk. A favorite topic of mine. I'm only 42 but my parents used MTV as a babysitter when I was a very young kid in the 80s. Used to recycle cans to buy cassette and LP'S. I got into heaver stuff in middle school but my first record was pyromania
Awesome, man, glad you found the channel and that you're into what I'm doing here. Seriously appreciate it.
Having a dad to enjoy this metal with is fantastic! So fortunate my dad took me to so many shows and hauling my drums around to all of our shows.
Flick of the switch never struck a chord with me. Only the tune Guns for Hire.
But for recent albums, I've gotta say, I love Rock or Bust front to back.
From Stiff through Black Ice, it's a few tunes that stick out. But RoB, my sons and I love the whole thing. And that tour was the first time they got to see AC/DC, also a great thing.
You're a lucky man, Brother.
Love Still Climbing
Me, too.
WHY are AC/DC mentioned as a "hair metal band" or between a podcast with a majority of hair/glam "metal" bands? Someone can explain me this absurdity?
Agree! Totaly idiots....
Look, AC/DC is NOT a hair band. But if you think that a lot of fans of hair metal aren't also fans of AC/DC, you've got another thing coming. I love AC/DC--in my top 5 bands of all time. But I love hair metal as well. So, at times they tend to get lumped in in my videos. But, you know what Mick Jagger said, "It's only rock'n'roll... but I like it."
Thanks for the shout out!! Another great episode yet again!
Much, thanks, my man! Appreciate all your support!
Another great episode...cool to see Ryan on their...always enjoy when he's on the Glam Metal Cast....ur show and Metal Mike's are my 2 favorites...Rock On and Take Care.
Hey, man, thank you so much. Seriously, I really appreciate your support. And Metal Mike is the man!
Thanks for the shout out. Had a blast!!
Like what u said about the Crue's Primal Scream era. That was definitely a sweet spot. Their Castle Donnington set from that time was killer. I like the song Angela alot too even though the chorus sounds like Don't Go Away Mad haha
You the man, Jones! Thanks for always supporting what I do!
OMG. Love this video. I could seriously listen to you guys talk hair metal 24/7. Love the content & in depth discussion of my favorite music genre. So glad I found your channel. Now I need to play a little catch up & binge watch the rest of your vids. Great watch.....Thanx !!
Hey, seriously, thank you so much. I really do appreciate this. --Guru
Excellent Channel . I've been looking for a community of this type of stuff while I've been doing it on my own channel this is great.. underdog hair
Hey, man, thanks a lot for the kind words... seriously appreciated. Gonna check yours out.
YES!!! I love Fly on the Wall!!
About time!
Flick of the switch by AC/DC in my opinion is AC/DC's best album ever! I don't go by radio hits or dance clubs that play You shook Me All night Long, over and over again. Flick of the switch is hard rock verging on heavy metal. To me. It's their best album they've ever made. I mean I know girls or women who got back in black in their collection but have no other AC/DC albums at all in their collection alongside Madonna Prince Hall& Oates, Bryan Adams, Cyndi lauper and yet they have back in Black. Just because something is popular by the masses, Doesn't mean it's the best album. Flick of the switch is absolutely amazing!
I know!!!! It's my fave brian album....don't get the bad feelings by some so called fans!? It's sounds like regular acdc to me.....don't hear any difference.
@@phildodson6141 truth
Before that album by Tuff came out, for a handful of years, every time a mag like Metal Edge would give the band a preview, it was clear Stevie was a Bret Michaels clone. Every time Bret changed his look, Stevie purposefully matched it. They had a hilariously disastrous show at a club in Denver for that tour and I conned a pal into yelling, "Play some Poison, Bret Michaels!" They were kind of laughed off the stage after that. Tuff never stood a chance without a unique persona, especially in '91.
I like Tuff a lot, but, yes, 1991 was too late in the game for them. Thanks for stopping by.
Very cool video, loved it.
Thank you, brother, I really appreciate it. Sincerely.
Great channel!! I'm 53 and graduated high school in 1989 and all these bands were all in my tape collection. Anybody remember the 1987 album by TNT - Tell No Tales?
Yes! "Everyone's a Star"! 🤩
Hey, thank you for the kind words, seriously. I definitely remember that album, but for some reason TNT never grabbed me...
@HairMetalGuru419 They didn't do much for me either when I first heard them. I did a re-listen to that album recently and it wasn't as bad as I remember, but not great. They've put out a few albums...not to familiar with those.
I remember this cassette back in the day the first 4 songs I really liked catchy and the guitar solo song my favorite was the song as far as the eye can see. But I can't take the high singing too much at a time.or at least he was but too high for me with not much variation.
Also forgot Tony harnell sang for skid row for a bit, never took the time to check some of those out
I wish for a shock Rock piece from you with Slave Raider Madam X and Lizzy Borden.. I think it would make a great video to talk about the garish bands
Hmmmm... interesting...
Always loved Hurricane. I saw them back in the day. Awesome as fuck band
Didn't start getting into them really until the last couple years... I was missing out. Hey, thanks for supporting this channel, seriously, I appreciate it.
@@HairMetalGuru419 glad you found them!! Keep up the good work. Love watching!!!
I was an OG fan from their EP. They were *so* underrated (and really nice guys, always down to hang with fans).
I think slave to the thrill was there best and last cd I think Doug Aldrich made them sound a lot better
Do agree Over the Edge as a whole was disappointing but the title track was killer
I love Motley 94, but I agree with the point that it's not the Motley sound. They should have called it something else.
Generation Swine was a mess. Rewriting Shout?! I like all of 2 tunes, kinda.
New Tatoo was much more in Motley's style. It's just that they were all album deep cuts, no hits. Maybe some different production could have altered that. But that's pretty much the last album with MC styled tunes. Cuz I like SOLA, but that's Sixx AM music with Vince on vox.
I really like 94, but Generation Swine is like 10 pounds of shit in a 9 pound bucket.
Sending good vibes from the UK. My god I love this channel 🤘🏼
Wow, people from the UK are watching this shit? Hey, man, thank you so much, I really appreciate it.
Yes, Judas made a mistake there.
OMG, you like Johny B Good??
Eesh, to each his own. But that song kinda led to me blowing off that album.
Fucking LOVE Johnny B. Goode. haha
Love your channel...show idea what 70s band beniefired from hair metal the most...kiss ..ac/dc..Aerosmith..scorpions..priest
Hey, man, that is a FUCKING awesome idea. Seriously, Writing that down in my lists of potential videos. Hey, thanks a lot for the suggestion and for watching this stuff, seriously, I do appreciate it.
Thanks sorry can't type my choice would be kiss my favorite band is ratt
Rather than releasing Subhuman Race Skid Row should have waited out the Grungepocalypse and taken more time. To me Subhuman Race feels like it's not quite finished. It also feels like Skid Row was trying to add a grunge sound to their sound. There are a couple good tracks but to go so far from the original album was a huge mistake.
Completely valid points, man. They may have been fucked regardless, because it was 95, but Subhuman Race did them no favors. Hey, thanks so much for supporting the channel, I really do appreciate it.
@@HairMetalGuru419 no problem, you're doing a great job! Rock on!
Great video fellas🤘Who’s this Metal Mike you keep mentioning…sounds cool😂
Metal Mike? He's the man! ;-)
Another great episode! Thanks! 🔥🎸🤘🏻
Thanks, Brotha! Seriously, I appreciate your support.
100% agree, couldn't get into Heartbreak Station. While the songs were okay they sacrificed too much heaviness and just took the horns and whatnot way too far. Something a little more in line with their first two records could've been huge for them. Enjoyed this, fun video cheers from Down Under \m/
The fire part, when you’re talking about clubs in SF….i saw so many shows at The Stone and that place was a fire waiting to happen! So glad it never did.
Shit, I was never there, but I wish I could have been. Some epic shows at that place. Hey, thanks a lot for watching, I really do appreciate it.
Songwriting is everything. It tops look, chops, all of it.
You've gotta be able to write memorable tunes.
Amen. The song is #1.
Hey man, I replied on your Jani Lane video saying how much I appreciated it. I'd love to talk music with you one day
Shit, sorry, man, I haven't always been great about keeping up with comments on my older videos... I'll check it out. Are you on X? Feel free to message me there: @HairMetalGuru Really appreciate you supporting what I do here.
It wasn't the 3rd generation hair metal bands that killed the genre - it wasn't grunge. It was the fact that MTV and the magazines abandoned the genre in favour of grunge bands that killed it.
The way acdc is to this guy is dokken to me
I need to cover more Dokken. Point noted. --Guru
Your show is great I listen between my breaks at work
Another great video Guru! I am wondering however, why again was Adrenalize considered a mistake? It obviously didn't sell like Hysteria did. If it had, they would have probably been the first band to have 3 diamond albums in a row, a nearly impossible feat. I agree, Lets Get Rocked definitely seemed out of place with the climate of music at the time (grunge). Def Leppard didn't have a crystal ball. If they would have changed their sound in a more grunge vein, then people would have complained about that as well.
As for Cherry Pie, the video certainly didn't help them to be taken more seriously. It was over the top cartoonish. Looking back, I think the video harmed them more than the actual song. Uncle Toms Cabin is a badass song and I wonder what would have happened if it was the lead single and title of the album, just like you have mentioned.
Hey, man, I completely get it. And I didn't say Adrenalize was a mistake, I said that waiting 5 years was a mistake... if it had come out even one year earlier I think it sells at least 5 million. That being said, I do think the record company was pretty disappointed with triple platinum, I mean, shit, they sprung for SEVEN SINGLES on that thing. Anyway, thanks a lot for watching and sharing your thoughts--your points are very valid.
Thrash gone Glam was odd... Celtic Frost
Cold Lake was covered a couple of episodes ago on a video called "20 Hair Metal Albums That Flopped." Check it out.
George had to go on his own.
I never liked Lynch Mob as much as Dokken.
And the Lynch Mob basically did a rap metal thing(worse than American Hardcore). My pal worshipped Lynch. Saw that 'rap metal' tour, where they openly dissed Dokken music.
George was such a talent, but that kind of Hypocrisy burns your faith and trust.
Then he's back in Dokken, Dysfunctional doesn't do well, and George wrote that horrible Shadowlands.
Don's post George albums are all better than those couple with George when he came back.
I checked out American hardcore. Couldn't even finish the first minute. Horrible
What a fuckin' disaster that thing was. For shit's sake.
that album was silly. cmc would only sign them as la guns, and that record was supposed to be the 2nd killing machine album. tracii agreed to do the album as la guns because he owned the name with riley, and they could make more money.
that thing was recorded in two weeks with almost no real production value.
Definitely not a good representation of the bands work
Pretty sure "Women" got the first single treatment because, at the time, they were known for Pyromania and songs like Photograph and Rock of Ages. Women is the only song on Hysteria that comes even close to sounding like their '83 masterpiece. I think the idea for that song was more to "transition" into what is a very different sound, not necessarily be the biggest hit.
It worked for me, at least. I had the Women single (which included that frikkin' awesome original version of "Tear It Down" as a b-side, not the watered down Adrenalize version of it), and for a while I had no clue their sound was changing so much. Then the actual album came out, Rocket was the second song in album listening order... I think there's a lot of thought in transitioning their fans to the newer sound in the order that things were done for it.
Completely valid point you brought up. I thought "Animal" should have been the first single, but, shit, they went with "Women," and it fuckin' worked, so what do I know? Thanks for watching, brother.
Still remember seeing Danger Danger live on their debut album tour, but mostly because they were the third act opening for KISS (Hot in the Shade tour) and Slaughter (Stick It to Ya).
I like 'em, I just think that wasn't the place to be getting fans for them.
I was more focused on Slaughter being on that tour... two former Vinnie Vincent Invasion members opening for KISS, who wouldn't even allow VVI to say the name "KISS" live on stage, even when they covered Lick It Up.
(I saw VVI not long before their breakup. I'd originally worn a KISS shirt to the show, switched to a VVI shirt. Mark goes "We're gonna do a song by Vinnie's last band, we can't say their name..." . I held up the KISS shirt I'd taken off. Mark reached down, took the shirt and held it up instead of saying "KISS". And yeah I got the shirt back, hehe.
I met Vinnie after the show, standing outside his tour bus... or I should say, leaning on his bus. He was very, very intoxicated or high or something. Would never have guessed since his guitarwork during the show was amazing.)
Wow, that's an awesome story. I saw the Hot in the Shade tour as well, but Faster Pussycat was in place of D2. Amazing show. Hey, thanks for sharing, and thanks a lot for watching, I appreciate it, sincerely.
1st thing I noticed was AC/DC on the picture, now waiting to see how/why they are featured in the thumbnail.
I saw Pantera play in Dallas in 1985. Weird looking dudes back then even after all you`d see there. LOL! When they came in I elbowed my coworker, "Have a look at THIS, Al..." I thought they were Punk Rockers. Ha! But we didn`t forget their name afterwards. Darrell made sure of it. I was there working from Louisiana.
1:30:00 - Bed of Roses (which is my favorite from Cherry Pie) would have been a killer single as well. Another big disaster to come from the song Cherry Pie that greatly affected Jani's life was meeting Bobbi Brown. As hot as she was is as toxic as she was. Was? Who am I kidding? probably still is. :p I'm not saying he was 100% innocent, but a situation like that doesn't help a guy who already has something going on.
Hey, man, that's a great point... very valid. I read before that Jani was always a pretty upbeat person... until his divorce from her. But who knows for sure.... I wouldn't bet against her causing a lot of problems. Bed of Roses definitely could've been a single as well. Hey, thanks a lot for watching, I really appreciate it.
Skidz.... I love the first two, and really like Subhuman Race. But, anything after is garbage. At least until the last album, which unfortunately fell apart for other reasons.
Maybe I like Subhuman because I'm not locked into Hair Metal. I love all kinda metal. I perfectly understand that if hair stuff is your primary true love, you won't like Sub.
I thought Pantera affected Slave more than Sub.
I love a lot of shit that isn't hair metal, but Subhuman Race... yikes. I like heavy stuff, but that went way beyond what I'm into.
Great episode!thx & Love that Dog eat Dog Tshirt! I'm a fan of Sub human Race the skidz got real heavy& grungy on that one.
EXTREME - More than words video! I cringe even to this day watchin it. What were they thinking? Jump-the-Shark moment. Killed hair metal! That video made me hate Extreme! It made me feel weird and shameful. It made me feel embarrased to admit I was a hair metal fan. An acoustic song plus video (it did have guitar) but nevertheless just so wimpy and not glamorous, not fun and not even metal. By 1990 the door was closing on hair metal, thank you EXTREME for driving the final fu..kin nail in my coffin as a hair metal fan and i will forever hate you even more to my very end. lol TRUTH!
Extreme never said they were metal. That’s on you. I love Extreme for what they are and it’s certainly not metal.
I'm with you, that song is in my top 5 least favorite hair metal songs of all time. Uggh
Its better than Mr. Big To Be With You
43?? Ryan could pass for 25 lol. Awesome video
I notice that you're not mentioning that I also look younger than my age... asshole!
;-)
@@HairMetalGuru419 just a couple of young hair metal gurus here
Cinderella is a great band. LCW is my fav, but I love the debut as well. They were a blues based hair band.
They probably upped the glam sound and look on the debut because at that time, if you weren't glam/hair or thrash, you had no entry point.
Cinderella, Tesla, LA Guns diminished the glam look pretty early on. Guns more to sleepy/Guns n Roses style.
Hell, Tesla dumped the hair spray by their 2nd video.
Push, Push was fantastic.
Love Push Push.
On Jani Lane theres a youtube video of Jani Playin drums and singing at 19 yo. Dorian Gray 1983- Stoned In Love
I've seen it! Unbelievable that it exists and is on here. Such a sad story.
Danger danger does have a good catalog of ballads , Ted poley is a fun dude and great songwriter . I would highly recommend his work in Tokyo motorfist if you haven’t checked out those 2 albums 🤘
I've listened to some of the Tokyo Motorfist, but, honestly, not enough to have a solid opinion one way or another. Gonna put it on my to do list. Thanks for stopping by, Brother, I really appreciate it.
I actually have an album flat for American Hardcore signed by the band after seeing them on this tour. I think I listened to the actual album ONCE ever.
You guys know that 'Diamond' wasn't a thing back in 88, right? That designation didn't come til much later.
I don't blame Priest for turning down the movie. Reckless is probably the best song on Turbo. Top three anyway. It's certainly one of my favorites.
Still Climbing is a great return to form for Cinderella. It's a great and terribly overlooked album by them.
Up From The Ashes a better Dokken album than any actual Dokken album that came after it. Not a bad song on it.
'Black Hearted Woman' is the best song Whtesnake never wrote. Switch out the singers and it's a Whitesnake song. I can almost guarantee it was a riff that got left off the S/T album.
Yeah, American Hardcore is shit. Reckless best song on Turbo? Maybe, but it would have served the band better if it had been on Top Gun--all the exposure would have been pricless. Hey, thanks for sharing all your thoughts, I really appreciate it.
Hey there. I would like to comment on the Def Leppard: Adrenalize section. The reason that album took so long was, following the Hysteria tour, the band had a considerable respite period. (The most they’d done, pre-respite, were demo some of the songs mid-Hysteria tour.) It really was meant to be a quicker album. However, during the post-tour break, Steve Clark’s drinking became more extreme. 1990 rolls around and the band seriously knuckled down on recording the album. However, due to alcoholism, a lot of Steve’s takes were subpar. Steve’s struggles saw him in and out of rehab, there were drinking relapses, and the band were constantly worrying about him. Come September/October, of 1990, the band gave the impression things were going well. That was by necessity because, following of the alcohol problems, the band gave Steve a 6 month leave of absence. Unfortunately, due to a fatal mix of alcohol, anti-depressants, and painkillers, Steve passed away of January 8th 1991. Following Steve’s death, it was up to Phil Collen to do double guitar duty; he had to record Steve’s parts and his own. Then, they ended up expanding the album with “White Lightning” and “Let’s Get Rocked.”
I apologise if I’m repeating things you guys already know. I am only commenting because Adrenalize’s development was a struggle. It wasn’t all down to just bad timing.
Skidz 3rd album wouldn't have done well regardless. The tides changed.
the fact that it got mtv plays for all three singles (albeit very few), an mtv news story (snowboarding with skid row), and a ton of euro and asian promotion…i would say it did pretty good for 1995. only bon jovi and firehouse really had as much coverage with always, and i live my life for you.
I STRONGLY disagree with saying a triple platinum album is a flop relative to Hysteria. (And I don't like Adrenalize).
The album after Dark Side of the Moon, Back in Black, the black album', hell.. even Thriller from MJwas gonna sell less.
All time best sellers, bands' individual high points... they wouldn't be that if everything maintained or climbed after.
I don't like Adrenalize, but i wouldn't call it a flop.
Established bands were a let down in the 80s. You guys mentioned WASP and Motley. I would add Twisted Sister "Love Is For Suckers" and BOC 'Club Ninja' were also major mistakes.AND:
Triumph - Surveillance
Saxon - Destiny
Leatherwolf - Street Ready
Metal Church - Blessing in Disguise
Helix - Wild In The Streets
Rainbow - Bent Out Of Shape
Enuff ZNuff - Strength
Savatage - Streets:A Rock Opera
King's X - Gretchen Goes to Nebraska
Thought's??😀
Yeah, I think "Love is For Suckers" was talked about in one of the hair metal flops videos? BOC was probably just too late in the game. Triumph... I heard Rik feels he should have bailed before Surveillance. As for the other albums, I LOVE Helix's "Wild in the Streets." For some reason I can't get into "Strength" from EZN for some reason. And, honestly, I don't have much history with the other albums---on my to do list. Hey, thanks a lot for watching my shit, I appreciate it, seriously.
@@HairMetalGuru419 Thanks for the reply. I’m a little older. But your commentary is great. I never reacted to trends and there is reason a song like Perfect Strangers holds up; it’s a good song. Remembering college days trends, Rolling Stone told me to listen to Echo and the Bunnymen along with Utopia. I was listening to Gamma and Judas Priest so I didn’t fit in at dorm dances. Thanks for your service. USAF vet here. Semper sky!
Best compilation CDs?
I never understand why people think subhuman race was a mistake? the album is the progression from slave to the grind, and a product of evolution for them. perhaps the only mistake they made was the producer, but keep in mind, what band was having slick production at that time?
the la guns album with van dahl was trash. absolute trash. van dahl wound up trashing tracii after he left. he said that it was a joke, and that the tour played to no more than 50-75 people at each gig. nobody wanted a pantera version of l.a. guns, and that was an absolute garbage production.
van halen 3....i've heard worse. it was never going to be accepted, but i will say this. the tour was awesome, and if you watch the live shows on youtube with gary singing, it was awesome.
i think an album that was a huge mistake was the poison album hollyweird. if they had gotten a producer capable of being more than a yes man for bret michaels, they could have had a real shot at coming back in 2002. if they had gotten butch walker to produce, used a real studio and not someone's basement recording place, and perhaps used some writing help (not just re-written 10 versions of ride the wind and fallen angel), i think they could have gotten capital to not pass on the record, and had a charting album. it wouldn't have been on an aerosmith or bon jovi scale, but i think it could have given them some relevance outside of the touring market. everything about hollyweird was a dropped pass. recording was trash, writing was trash, and the fact that it wasn't easy to find in stores hampered it.
Spot on Brutha!!
@@docvader82 it so true. if poison was packing sheds at 18,000 like pine knobb in 1999 and 2000, had put a really freaking solid record out, with a single that had radio in a lot of mid-west markets (where a lot of these bands had a base of radio and concert attendance), they could have had solid placement on the charts around 30-50 for a month or so, and then released a second single of similar ilk, who knows what could have happened. that same time period had motley a few years later with "if i die tomorrow", which gained vh1 play (something poison was getting at a similar time with a live in studio performance)...it was a wasted opportunity.
i am almost positive that this is why bret chose to run out on the band and start doing crappy solo shows and that dumb reality stuff. he wasn't going to get it recording his crap songs with crap production, so he had to find another means, leaving poison behind.
You're completely right on Hollyweird. Production... or lack of it, killed that thing. And, fuck, you're right, it could have brought them back to a certain extent. Yep, I"ve heard the Cherone tour with VH was awesome. As for Subhuman Race, that thing went TOO heavy imo. I like some heavy shit, but that thing... no.
Let's go!
Hey, thanks for supporting this shit that I do... seriously, it means a lot.
@@HairMetalGuru419 welcome brother
I’ll take New Tattoo over ‘94. Vince’s Exposed may be the last great “Motley” album.
I don't agree on New Tattoo over '94, but you're probably spot-fucking-on about Exposed.
AC/DC were never a hair metal band, fellas. Heck, they have never even been a "metal" band.
I must be older than these guys, as AC/DC has never been hair metal, always been blues based hard rock and is why they lasted so long and hair metal died in 1990. How anyone could call them hair metal is absurd.
AC/DC aren't a hair metal band. But the name of the fuckin' channel is HairMetalGuru, and the majority of what I talk about is hair metal. However, I also love AC/DC and a lot of other shit that isn't hair metal. Don't get so caught up in the title of the video... like Mick Jagger said, "It's only rock'n'roll... but I like it."
@@rumblehat4357 AC/DC aren't a hair metal band. But the name of the fuckin' channel is HairMetalGuru, and the majority of what I talk about is hair metal. However, I also love AC/DC and a lot of other shit that isn't hair metal. Don't get so caught up in the title of the video... like Mick Jagger said, "It's only rock'n'roll... but I like it."
Tuff 1st single was a major mistake. All New Generation was the and should have been the obvious choice. I think management had a call to strike quick.
tuff was late to the party, and while they had some talent and image, they just weren’t original enough of a sound for mtv to hold on to. i doubt a different single would have changes anything for them.
stevie’s story about getting dropped is crazy. the label wanted them to record with firehouse’s producer, and stevie pushed back. they were dropped the next day for pushing back. may have gotten a second record if they did what they were told.
fist first was a killer album!
Stevie and I had a chat about this last night. He wanted me to understand it was the label's fault that "I Hate..." was the first video, not the band's. ;-)
It's not the fault of a Trixter. It's the fault of labels oversaturating one style and burying another.
Why bury Dog eat Dog cuz you wanna pump up Dirt?
Make time for both. AIC is one of my all time bands. I only like a few tunes from Warrant, but I thought they got screwed.
Uncle Tom's Cabin is a fukkin Metal song, period(and Mr. Rainmaker was very cool too). They wrote some cheesy garbage I didn't like, but also some absolute gems.
us as fan's, are rational, and it is much harder for us to also rationalize why things we like, everyone doesn't. but music and labels are a business. just like cherry seven up, and pepsi zero, things get dropped for something shiny and new that will sell more units.
i agree...dog eat dog and aic could co-exist, but in the fickle, short term, they went with aic and sold way more units than they would have pushing warrant.
bon jovi, and van halen got pushes in the early to mid-90's, and even with mega radio hits like always, and to some extent humans being and what not, they still couldn't get a sales bump.
For the record Lillian Axe's drummer really hates that you refer to them as Hair Metal, and says it really hurts them business wise when people make that connection. Personally I love Lillian Axe but don't think they really fit with the Poisons of the world.
Firing Sykes was a mistake. Cuz they never wrote songs that good again. Not even bluesier songs like their earlier albums.
Steve Vai is a great player, not as much a great songwriter.
Outside of Dirty Water Dog, VH III sucked. But the tour was great. Cherrone did really good with both the Roth and Hagar material
I've heard that. That he did a great job on the tour. I mean, shit, the dude does have a great voice.
VH3 didn't work. A lot of good parts, that led to very few complete songs.
Being a VH collector, I've got 3 on CD, tape and vinyl.
However live, Gary sang Dave and Sam tunes in equal measure(which Sam refused to do, and Dave can't do), and nailed both of them. I loved his vocals live, BUT.... he was very effeminate visually. I actively looked away, while listening intently.
But the vox are what mattered, and he mastered them.
When twisted sister covered leader of the pack it was over too bad cause they backed up iron maiden just before and killed it
Tuff sucked, one of the very few bands of the genre I didnt like, everything about them are derivative, the Bret Michaels clone, and "The All New Generation " ugh, every time I heard the line " Skid Row is the Youth Gone Wild" it makes me cringe... Their lack of success has nothing to do with Nirvana or being released in 91. They were just 3rd rate. My opinion.
And..."Adrenalize" a flop????!!! It went #1 in the US and in the UK, and in some markets it did better than "Hysteria".
Great video as usual!!!
Hey, I like Tuff, but I can definitely see your point--they obviously weren't the height of originality. Yes, Adrenalize went #1 and triple platinum, but the album had 7 singles! And the album before it sold over 10 million copies. I'm looking at it from the band and the record company perspective... do you think they thought it was only going to do 3 million? Hey, thanks a lot for the kind words and supporting what I do, I seriously appreciate it.
Hysteria. I love the tune Women, but it's an album cut.
I've never liked Rocket, and it's illegible words.
Gods of war is fantastic. Generally; on Pyro and hysteria I prefer the deep cuts.
Said this before but I liked Subhuman Race.... the LA Guns one yes crazy bad. Subhuman title track , Breaking Down (just rocks).. I personally don't think its that much heavier than Slave really... but yeah maybe more distorted. Great show again, lots of great points.... love these conversations. 100% on the New Tattoo comment :)
Hey, man, thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. LOVE Breaking Down, but outside of that, it loses me. Hey, really appreciate you supporting what I do here, seriously.
@@HairMetalGuru419 All good man. You sold me going back to Warrant as I kind of stopped listening that band back in late 80s/90s. Dog Eat Dog is actually a pretty good record. I'm just an old dude that has been listening to metal since the very early 80s . (still till this day) I was a Hit Parade, Circus Mag fiend in my youth. (don't have them anymore.) Great Stuff ||m||
Flick of the Switch and Fly on The Wall are great albums don't care what anyone says otherwise.
I like Flick, and I really like Fly. Shit, I'm an AC/DC guy... they could fart in a paper bag and I'd open it up to give it a listen.
I don't really understand the whole Cherry Pie thing. It is an arena rock song, shallow with sexual lyrics. It is what it was supposed to be. He proclaimed to hate it, but promptly wrote other songs just like it. There isn't a whole lot of difference between it and Machine Gun and Bonfire on the next album other than the fact they were not nearly as popular. I mean (She's my Cherry Pie. Cool Drink of Water. Such a sweet surprise.) to (Lick it off your fingers. Taste it on my tongue. Love you Little Baby Like a Mamamamachinegun) or (She's lean, probably take on the whole football team) are pretty much in the same shallow sexual lyrical range surrounded by stadium chants. So did he really hate it or was it just an excuse for someone that was self destructive and needed one when the next album failed. I'm no psychologist but it never made sense to me really. I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
Flick of the switch was such a steaming pile of shite in 1983 that I never went back. Same story in 84 for Saxon with Crusader.
I LOVE AC/DC, but, yeah, Flick rates really far down on my list of their favorite albums. Hey, thanks so much for supporting the channel, I really do appreciate it.
I have a question. I agree with a lot of these. But why does Ozzy Osbourne and KISS always get a pass by fans? They treat band members or fans like crap yet they maintain their popularity.
There's a drastic evolution from Too Fast For Love to Dr. Feelgood but they always maintained their sense for good melodies and riffs in the 1980s. From '94 on they've been obsessed with zigging instead of zagging. It sounds forced and fake and it doesn't appeal to anyone.
I've been enjoying your videos. I graduated the same year, so a little common ground. I was thinking that an topic could be album/cd/cassette covers(like the artwork, not song covers), both good and bad. But not just as a matter of taste or preference, but the positive or negative impact they might of had for the band. A really cool (I'll say album although it was mostly cassette for me at the time)cover has a way of drawing you to it, both in a record store(when that was a thing 🤣😭) and in a collection. And a bad cover can totally have the opposite effect. And there are some really bad ones. And it seems (to me) that especially around '91/'92 or so(and into the 90's), there were some especially bad covers, both by new and established bands, whether it was from the bands' input, the label, or whatever. I just get curious sometimes if and how much a record's sales and popularity might be at least somewhat affected by how cool or atrocious the cover/artwork is. Anyway, thanks and keep up the good work!
I cant believe Bang Tango didnt become a Guns n Roses of their time! "Someone Like You" shoulda been a "Welcome to the Jungle" for them, the beginning of a long/successful career but it just wasn't. What ya think of them, Thanks 👍
i think if they had embraced an image that was more in line with red hot chili peppers, they may have had more relevance. they had bad tours as well, and they finally got an arena tour with ratt, but the time had passed. ratt was doing poor biz during that tour, and at that point it was too late. the third bang tango album, love after death, is awesome!
I love "Someone Like You," but, honestly, BT is a little too funk-oriented for me. Nothing against it, but I just never got into them outside of a few songs. Hey, thanks a lot for watching, I really do appreciate it.
American Hardcore was such a poor attempt to do groove metal.
Unlike you, I do love the more extreme metals(black, death, doom).
But I don't like bands swinging out of their strike zone that far.
LA Guns messed up, but they've got some great albums
Completely agree.
LA Guns with Chris Van Dahl was one of the worst ideas of all time.
Hey guru check out frozen on subhuman. Its the baddest song on the cd also best yourself blind and into another medicine jar kicksass
Man, I've listened to that so many times thinking, shit, there's gotta be something I like on it, but outside of "Breaking Down," it's just a shitshow in my opinion. Hey, thanks a lot for watching, seriously, I appreciate it.
Only new(er) music Ive liked in yeeears was Volbeat's song "Last Day Under the Sun" if that was released in 1989-90 it would have been huge and that freakin solo took me back and it was new, great solo! But I was the only one around me that liked it. th-cam.com/video/mNLz4nudUd8/w-d-xo.html
REALLY like Volbeat, and I LOVE that fuckin' song. For newer music, I listen to a lot of punk rock--Nothington, Banner Pilot, The Right Here. Hey, thanks a lot for watching, I really do appreciate it.
WHat about T-Ride?
Gotta revisit that band...
Rock band called litterer = Rock this city tonight
The song Cherry Pie was like a horny version of Living Colour's song Cult Of Personality
i thought it was a mish mash of living color meets pour some sugar on me, with a touch of cc deville on the solo.
@patrickreeves4650 good call!
This made me laugh like a school girl. --Guru
Mca metal and rock killing machine !! Only trixter had a success with this label !
tuff had a few good songs but by 91 the world was done with the sappy 3rd rate ballads and What comes around have a bucket load of those.
I love subhuman Race but can see why people dont. The sound is one of a band getting caught between trying to be who they were on Slave and Grunge influenced and getting mixed results.
Def Leppard wanted to call Lets Get Rocked - Lets Get F****** but the label wouldnt allow it. The line I suppose a Rocks outta the question is horrific and cringy.
Nobody Knows stacks up with the best power ballads? Are you serious? I was a Lillian Axe fan but that song just sounds like one big 80s ballad cliche.
it also had a bit of a lyrical problem. lillian axe had a great songs, but their awful label IRS records couldn’t afford good producers, and the songs suffered from average lyrics that bad producers didnt say no to.
Serious as jock itch, Brother.
On my channel you will find stuff like spread eagle Johnny Cash shotgun Messiah loudness malmsteen Sabbath purple and blue cheer
Do you consider Mortician to be "hair metal"?
Of course. I was just listening to Chainsaw Dismemberment right after I listened to Cherry Pie and Talk Dirty To Me.
OMG, the Great White thing.
I grew up about 30-45 minutes from there. Horrible, horrible situation.
Irresponsible people doing stupid shit. But damn, they weren't murderers, and that's essentially what it got turned into.
Horrible for the band. But hey, many lives were ended, families destroyed, loves lost. What happened to the band essentially doesn't matter by comparison.
They had made some really cool music. But it all pales after that occurred.
Exactly.
All the good guys smoke crack
And they wear black...
motley crue 1994 is a great album but yes it flopped because of the fans they are hardcore vince neil yes generation swine was an insult too the fans the only good song on that album was shout at the devil 97
Hey, thanks a lot for watching, I really do appreciate it.
Rock band called zion song is it a crime check it out
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Shit, man, keep that quiet.
I don't love the song Cherry Pie, but I don't think it's that horrible; nor should it be that scapegoat for anything.
A tongue in cheek song full of sexual innuendos? Hello, Aerosmith?!
It's not that horrible a song, FFS.
Sexual innuendo IS a part of RnR.
They never should have had to apologize for that. Maybe shoot a different video.
Agreed, sexual innuendo in the '80s... hello, that shit was everywhere. Like you said, Aerosmith... hell, Van Halen, and a hundred others.
It was an embarrassment and one of the reasons cock rock died
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Ill never understand these guys love for Def Leppard. What a ball-less band. Just complete garbage
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American Hardcore by L.A. *sorry* the L.A. Guns sounds like a bad local band. It was worth a shot but having heard it, it's safe to say the punk and hardcore scenes did not embrace them with open arms.
while van dahl was terrible in la guns, the cherry st album was good. he made a good career for himself in vegas as steven tyler in a aerosmith tribute band. he’s made quite a living for himself.
Amen, Brother.