India Bans Encrypted Messaging Apps
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- In this video I discuss how India is banning End to End Encrypted Messaging applications and peer to peer Free Software applications and their excuse is that banning these apps will help with fighting terrorism.
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Terrorism. Or pedophilia. Or Western meddling. Or immigration. Spin the wheel of authoritarian excuses.
think of the children xD
Western meddling is definitely valid though
Western meddling? Because the US sure never meddled in any other country, caused havoc, destroyed whatever chance these countries had to develop, and spinned the wheel of "It was in the name of freedom" "Protecting them from communism" "terrorism"
@@RunicRhino22 it really isn't
@@RunicRhino22 rarely
As an Indian, it's even worse to ban end to end encryption here than in a first world country as 95% of the population here has no concept of privacy and do not care about these things
Not only that majority of india populatiom are not educated enough to know why privacy or encryption matters.
@@aaronryder4008 ya
They are ready to be slaves of the government, they have so much faith about their life from the government more than their own parents. Indians really need to back off, into thinking that "the government can only solve their problem, and they will solve the problem." Which is absolutely bizarre 😢
@@aaronryder4008even educated people thinks this is good😂
@@aaronryder4008 Crazy really. I would bet that even in the US many of them would accept this as "muh government protecting me" because they as so distracted. There really is nothing to do other than work to educate the public before any sense of freedom is ripped away.
The fact that they didn't ban Whatsapp, the most popular allegedly E2E encrypted app in India, speaks volumes of about credibility of Whatsapp.
Clearly Facebook is giving them access to messages. Like we knew for years to never trust Facebook.
What about Telegram and Signal?
@@ticktockbam They haven't banned them, but those are open source apps so you can always build from source.
@@morgantrevino4881 Facebook is rotten to the core. Wouldn't trust a word that comes out of that company.
I am only forced to use Whatsapp because everyone around me won't stop using it.
@@wlockuz4467 They're both open source? Damn, I didn't know that. That's pretty cool.
People probably don’t know this but india has a very similar bill of rights to America. However, each amendment has provisions which allow the government to take those rights for whatever reason they deem necessary even the right to free speech.
Sounds like the Bill of Privaleges lol
Then they arent rights, they may as well not exist if the government can just ignore them at their whim for whatever reason.
@@CodeOnBlocks The Bill of Optional Suggestions
The Bill of Trust Me Bro
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND yep 100% agree
As an Indian, just to clarify, these apps are banned in only one state of India out of 36 states and UTs. So, if you live outside them, you can use these apps. Just like I can.
But the thing is that taking away encryption from a person (whilst being a democracy) isn't a democratic move. It's just as if your neighbor's spying on you and that's the worst part when unknown people can gain access to your personal live without you even knowing about it. Even if it's implemented in just 1 state but it gives away a bad influence to other democracies and it should be illegal to do such a thing. It's bad and things can get even worse with corruption soo yeah, I think you'll get all of it but if not, I don't really care on wasting my time.
nooooooooooooo endiya bad authoritarian NOT like AMERIKAN
How did they manage to make a regional ban ?
So just because it's one state, it's okay? Are you sure it won't spread to other states? And didn't you guys ban a documentary on your prime minister a while ago and tried to justify it with your typical America bad excuses?
could you link a source of any kind which elaborates on the topic in detail?
Yeah, it's either the children or terrorists. They're always the go to excuses...
While they’re often the pedos or terrorists themselves.
Wait until they start blaming child terrorists.
@@chubbycatfish4573 "there's only one thing that's worse than a reypist" - pulls down paper cover - "A child!"
I don't why I thought of this scene instantly.
So you hate children, and side with woke Disney and you hate the great Centrist Ron DeSantis? That makes you a groomer
you looks like some pedophile
I am so glad I live in Outdia
Eyy!
Man I really liked that pun.
Outshallah 🙏
comedian
Good for you man, I’m trying to leave this hole for last 3 years 😑
In the western world we don't need that we just use the phones backdoor
India can do that just as easily, that software can be bought by any governments.
@@budgetking2591 made by is|rael
Already bought pegasus...what a surprise
Sometimes I get to use my GFs backdoor.
@@budgetking2591 this dude talking about Backdoor not an exploit based spyware
Rule #1: If it is banned by government, then it is definitely safe to use.
yeah but the difference is. Indian government is not western government.
@@sampatkalyan3103 Please expand on the difference.
@@answerman9933 first there is terror threat and there have been lots of terror attacks in the region where it is banned.
That's the difference.
@@sampatkalyan3103 Oh.. But you said Indian government, not India. So when you say government I am assuming you meant a different way of doing things, not just a different region of the world.. Still there has been terrorist threats and attacks in Europe in recent times. Not so much in the US or Canada.
@@answerman9933it's easy to say that when you're not surrounded by China and Pakistan. When US is concerned about China (being Miles away), we share a border. It's because of our Security Forces that it hardly comes in news or gains world's attention.
If it’s banned then it’s safe to use it 😂
Yup
tiktok is banned too. does your point stand with this too
They banned VLC lol
@@prakharmishra3000Safe to use is a thing.
Being a cause for the social degradation is another thing.
Bruh ain’t no way
Sirs I cannot redeem without encryption
Democracy eh. Must've been a really popular opinion amongst the people.
There's only a few democracies on this planet, India and the US are not democratic. It's all a farce!
Please don’t call India a Democracy, India is a Fascist state and that is very clear since 2019 😑
The BJP has hundreds of millions of impoverished, illiterate people that will do anything they say. It’s sad but they are used for nefarious things regularly.
Surely the people voted for this :tf:
@@sid6645People who doesn't understand tech make rules and vote. Yeah democracy is surely the best ideology
First "democracy", lol
Implying Modi is anything other than a dictator
Hell Elon is openly censoring critics on Modi’s behalf
Largest democracy, unfortunately America isn't😂
The thing is opposition parties have not spoken against this.
That means no one cares about privacy 😢
lol no this whole video is freaking misleading and didn't even cross check the facts, all these apps are only banned in one state ( that is actually is union territory since 3 years i.e directly administered by central government) because that is a disputed state with pakistan ( yes the pakistan claims all of the state as its own since the majority of population follows islam) and since pakistan claims that state it engages heavily in funding and pushing terrorism in this state to destabilize it ( it is one of the most militarized zone in the whole world and yes almost half the state is a militarized zone since it shares borders with pakistan and there is heavy infiltration of those terrorists)
Don't listen to these western morons.
Their own governments literally have a guy sitting in every social media companys office.
British defence ministry has literally signed an aggreement with Google to develop ai.
Europeans are passing laws to force compliance from social media companies but India banning few apps in a state where 40, 50 thousand people have died to terrorism is bad.
These fkrs always have the worst fkn takes on matters these chutiyas don't understand.
@@just-a-harmless-potato Maybe you wouldn't have those issues if India and Pakistan were one secular country where different religions could coexist without the government being allowed to favor any.
Everywhere corruption puts its sticky fingers, freedom is reduced by any and all means it can. Removing privacy is a giant leap forward for those in power that think that the public is their possession!
Stand up and be counted Indian people, don’t let a few bad apples ruin your lives, for you are many and your rulers are few.
THIS GUY DID 20 SECONDS RESEARCH AND MADE THIS VIDEO LOL.
Here are the real facts:
1. “End to End encryption is not banned in India”. These 14 apps are banned in a single state out of 33.
For a fact signal is not banned in India and many end to end messaging services. There has never been a case where the government of India has spyd on civilians. NONE.
2. These 14 apps are in-fact found being used in the terrorist grounds (Pakistan, Jamu Kashmir and ladhak).
3. The reason for the ban is clear. These 14 apps do not have the infrastructure to provide Indian military with information about terrorist groups, EXACTLY THE REASON WHY THEY’RE USED BY MALICIOUS INDIVIDUALS (hello? Simple logic goes over western man head)
4. “Terrorism is not a big treat to India” says an American. What do you mean by that? Just because the threat is low compared to other countries doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. When a man from a country that “liberated (war crimes and civilian kill streak)” Iraq, Afghanistan (which it failed) it’s funny.
It's only banned in one state and that too because that state has an active insurgency. I absolutely stand by the government on this one.
Sounds awfully similar to what Brazil's been trying to do to Telegram.
Yeah, sounds like Telegram is still allowed in India, yeah? So that's good.
It's important to talk about this considering how everyone was happy about Lula Da Silva and how almost no one mentioned what's happening there with Telegram
Did you see the seal of Polícia Federal the author used for the video cover? 😅😅
@@p0werfu11 Did Lula promote that shit?
I'm not from Brazil, just curious.
@@tanostrelok2323 Lula da silva is in the president group that is the left, or maybe far left, i here in south america with Maduro in Venezuela, the Kirchners in Argentina, and other dictatorship like presidents in here
Ireland will be bringing in facial recognition tech in order to "stop the criminals".
Many event hubs in the big apple are to it's really odd when a person and a bias comes into play and you kick them due to said bias and sad many don't know nor making a fuss of it too.
a great thing is coming to ireland. sometimes a bigbrother also needed to safeguard peoples.
It might help if it was repurposed as a facial recognition thingy combined with a more remote breathalyzer to quickly check if somebody is drunk.
Didn't the EU ban that recently?
@@iannicolson The EU banning means of controlling the plebs? Since when? lol if anything the EU is actively deliberating their own E2E encryption bans lol and was doing it before India, it's just not as fast to act
When India bans E2EE: "ItS bAd FoR dEmOcRaCy"
Meanwhile: The regards in Canada and Australia 🤡
Save us - A Canadian
Patriot act
It's bad wherever it happens.
America allowing organizations like the ADL, SPLC, and shit like Rightwingwatch to call the shots in the white house and to essentially run speech at monopolies like Twitter is really just as bad as removing apps from the App Store, in my opinion. it has the same effect of chilling all non system-friendly speech and creating secondary citizens who can’t actually speak their mind. And yeah, the patriot act also comes to mind, lol.
Australia and Canada don't have a democracy
4:08 Terrorism is not a small problem in India, we have the most separatist groups in the World
Your enemies (Russia) is always ready for War but not ours(Pakistan), Pakistan has lost 3/3 wars against India. Our separated are by borders but many people here who have Indian citizenship but Pakistani ideology are sleeper cells disguised in odd jobs
Being from Tech community, I have never heard names of most of the apps you mentioned except Element.
Our former CDS once said we are fighting 2.5 front war(China, Pakistan and 0.5 for internal enemies). And those internal enemies celebrated his death.
US is very different from India, we have the second most population of flat earthers, 14% of Indians believe in Flat earth theory)
Source (for percentage of Flat earth believers) : I made it up
@@aman.vashisht its 25% actually, you can easily tell them by the way they dress.
Pakistan is your nightmare, right?... because you do not respect them... "sleeper cells"... if 14% of Indians believe in flat earth theory I can understand your "sleeper cells" statement. Pakistan is an independent nation and India never accepted that... like China against Taiwan... live your life as good as you can and leave Pakistan with its own life. Pakistan will never hurt India... they are not stupid.
"Tech community" yeah... Just coz u have a job in tech doesn't mean you're an expert in infosec or you care about privacy.
I'm not denying the issue of terrorism but attack on everyone's privacy is the first step to autocracy. No less than the supreme court has ruled this.
Your communal hatred shows through lmao.
Terrorism isn't a small problem in India, this is a completely uneducated take. Read up on Red Corridors, Naxal violence, and we have sponsored "protests" every now and then usually sponsored by international powers.
Plus, this isn't actually a "ban" - more of a "if we suspect that you're a terrorist, and have evidence to support it then you using this app will serve as supplementary evidence."
You trust the government to only arrest actual terrorists? Lol
Where is the govt./related statement which communicated the ban, or whatever it is? I cannot find it.
Okay what has red corridors or naxal violence got to do with Jammu and Kashmir because J&K is specifically mentioned in the article.
Yea, I.m sure the Indian glowies will be using their new access to information to curtail exactly what you're talking about. Talk about an uneducated take.
@@thenewmdzakviolence in j&k is being sponsored by Pakistan since 1947.
The Indian government after banning the most popular messaging app in their country because they got a little scared: 😎
The most popular messaging app in India is WhatsApp and its not banned.
@@sohamthedude whatsapp uses end to end encryption
@@Immadeus yes but it's not on their ban list
Wait wp uses e2d what a 🤣
Because whatsapp entertainment 60+ adult pornhub and modiji came naked daily for saying good morning
yo thats messed up. its like not allowing people to talk in real life without others viewing
perhaps you need to brush up on Soviet Union communication
@@timmycorinior HAM radio
@@timmycorini I had an art teacher from former Czechoslovakia (spelling?) who had the wildest stories. His parents got ratted out by a neighbor for refusing to rat out another neighbor, so they ran away to Sweden but kept receiving death threats over the phone from their home country. I think the saying "the walls have ears, the ears have rats, the rats have cats, and the cats have claws" originates from the USSR.
And it's coming to your country also, the EFF has already mentioned a few times how Spain keeps drafting proposals to do this in the EU, and it would be EU-wide legislation, affecting every country in Europe except Britain and Switzerland, which though not obliged to would probably draft similar laws regardless because why not lol
@@liquidsnake6879 like i dont think they can enforce it. really only if the people actually dont care. Cuz people who do care will sideload apks etc. This cant really be enforced for those.
They banned this apps in only one state, not the whole India. Also the selection of apps seems very specific, I think Government definitely had some intel about this, a normal Indian isn't using these apps, if they really wanted to suppress anonymity(which I won't deny them not wanting to), they could have banned signal or even telegram(maybe even justifying banning telegram for piracy) And if you were an Indian, you would understand the tensions between us and our lovely neighboring states, which gives rise to terrorism. So I don't think it is bad(at-least for now)
You even read what those apps do? You can create mesh network with them and then use to send messages, share videos, images or other intel, why they were using it? Coz fucking reta*ded had been shutting down internet in that region for ages now. They are just using their power to harrass and oppress people living in that region.
They (Govt) don’t understand how these apps works, for example, Element is just a front end for Matrix protocol. Briar can work with only Bluetooth and Hotspot. There is no point in banning these apps. They are decentralised by nature, so no central officer for handling requests from govts. “Terrori$ts” can easily sideload them and run their own servers. This is lack of technical literacy we have here.
It is an opinion video, I dont think any party in India would win an election if it were to take away the messaging conviniences of the population. He conviniently leaves out the geopolitics of Kashmir and says that it is banned in the entirity lf India. In addition to leaving out the details of how uncommon those apps are.
@@POOJANGAJJARBME no man, some people here are like sheeps and will justify even the wrongdoings of their favourite leaders. And yeah I agree that mental outlaw didn't do proper research before posting this video, always thought he would be smarter
@@confused.cat.I kind off agree but even if terrorists use it , gov has no right to ban anything especially the Indian government that has some affinity for banning stuff they don't like (tiktok, pubg, etc),
If Russia is an authoritarian state, the US is too.
The argument is stupid because Russia is far more authoritarian, but the US democracy sure is flawed.
Asi es, solo que en los estados unidos es a escondidas y en rusia es abiertamente.
To be fair, the state in which they are banned does have a serious terrorism problem. So it's not the entire country, just the problematic place.
It still does not warrant banning anything of the sort. Deal with terrorists the right way, not by undermining communication tools.
@@greob lmao do you folks read your comments before posting?
@@papayaspice1155 whomstd've did you mean by "you folks"?
@@ra2enjoyer708anyone who doesn’t agree with their psychopathic dreams of owning Kashmir
I bet UK or Canada is next
@lordgamer4810nice sun
@lordgamer4810 dayum son
Spain, Brazil, vietnam, have joined the chat.
I don't agree with my country's current govt and the way it does things most of the time, but this just feels wrong. There is no comparison between the American patriot act guised invasion which is technically actually terrorism and the problems of Jammu Kashmir, domestic terrorism is a real thing in India not like the alt right armed militias of America, we do have those too, but actual jihadists; especially in the 90s terrorism was rampant in Kashmir and our army has the unique history of actually eradicating terrorism without crossing the line of morality in any major way. You might also look up the khalistani movement while we're on the topic, so while it's not a good look, i do get why they'd do it, especially considering the demographics that use alternate apps bc most of us just use whatsapp etc.
“Without crossing the line of morality” yeah right 😒
@@token3462certified Pakistani moment.
@@AchiragChiragg Of Course, the rapist degenerate from Sangh will call me a Paki now 😒
terrorism isn't a small problem in india btw.
Public lynching by the government supporters is a much bigger problem than t3rrorism but the former get praised
@@sweetmelon3365 noting wrong with it
War on terrorism claimed more lives than terrorism itself. Therefore people involved in such war should be called terrorists.
I liked your rant about low tech literacy. You put it into great perspective with how long computers have been around; there really is no excuse.
bad morning sirs :(
GOOD MORNING SIR
so basically if you want to get some cp you just become a police officer? cool!
in reality you'll just do a lot of paper work and your coworker Chad will get the video
get some, make some, start a business making some... cops can do anything! they protect us!
Think of the children! No, not like that!
@@runed0s86 Lmaooooooo
where do i sign up? asking for a friend ofc
This is India admitting they tap your phones and open your mail too.
hecking terrorists using those phones and sending letters
Well as long as you just respect the law and don't do anything illegal like download cp or communicate with terrorists you're fine.
That is nothing new. Indian state sponsored TV shows openly brag about the police being able to tap any call at will
@@nicholasvalentine2580 or oppose the government or anyone the government stands with, or take the side of someone the government considers bad, or talk about horrible things the gov agencies might have done, or the lies the people in power might be telling you ,or..
@@nicholasvalentine2580 That's what they want you to think
DO NOT REDEEM THE ENCRYPTED MESSAGES SIRS DO NOT REDEEEEM
I understood that reference
Please do the needful and do not redeem sars
NO! NO! NO NO NO NO NO, NO! DO NOT REDEEM! WHY ARE YOU REDEEMING!? WHY ARE YOU REDEEMING!? DO NOT REDEEM THE CARD!
Do not be an idiot.
Governments try not to fuck with the internet challenge
Lol
(impossible)
Mental Outlaw fans trying not to dickride his misinformative videos and cry about the goverment because goverment bad (impossible)
@@NobleDorito8698broski87 trying to stop deepthroating the government challenge (Impossible)
@@Micchi- Mental Outlaw fans trying to have some knowledge about the subject they are talking about (impossible) (they don't know shit about domestic terrorism in India)
Why was Signal not banned, I mean it's the most popular E2E encryption app.
Wtf are you taking about?
Signal is one of the few apps that actually associates your mobile phone number with the account.
If they wanted it to be actually anonymous, they'd require a password or email only...
Exactly that's what I hate about signal. That phone number, sim card, etc can be locked down to an ID. Metadata & ID are enough to kill.
As an Indian, I can confirm that people here won't even know about those apps except WhatsApp, because that's all they use here. 😂
As an Indian, I live near the border with China. And it is of utmost importance for me that the number of terrorist activities slows down. This feels like a big step as Signal is still available for me to use. The Apps that got banned were not getting used by anyone in India(Majorly because of low education and knowledge about privacy). I have tried to make people use Signal which only one of my friends uses.
So looking at the fact that Indians only use Whatsapp and nothing else. Banning 14 apps won't impact any normal Indians. And if they are using these messaging platforms they might be using this for malicious reasons.
As most people watching this are outsiders and indians that live in places that are not borders with hostile countries, it would be difficult to grasp the threat that I would face day to day. So it might be easier to say that War on Terrorism is just a farse when some cunk of my country is actively occupied by other nations and other territories are actively getting attacked by China.
It's not about "impact", you still don't get the point, do you? Why is this country so damn dumb
@@danielchettiar5670 are you Retarded?
@@Arush. Are you? Seem to be so
No. As an Indian, I can say we Do NOT have the most dangerous communist state neighbouring us. All our Neighours are super friendly.
Its not like tomorrow India will get attacked and conquered and we all have to speak chinese and you can bid Goodbye to your “Democracy”.
Its not like china is sterilizing uighur muslims and after conquering india , they will sterilize hindus.
Right?
Okay bjp it cell bot spit your paan now you're in Allahabad 🤪🤣
"I fucking guessed"
lmao
Do they realize that chat apps like iMessage and recently Google Messages has end to end encryption built-in? It comes with the phone...
But they spread their legs whenever the government ask, not to mention the possibility of backdoors.
They'll just give what ever backdoor access to the government
Good point the thing is that in India WhatsApp has just caught on as like the de facto messaging up and so in countries like US we have a iMessage war but in things like Europe and other countries everyone just uses WhatsApp for that reason yes obviously this change will have to force everyone if they're serious about their privacy to find other apps but it's just the fact that everyone was on WhatsApp in India before SMS apps where turning to RCS
@@rdxdt Isn't that the same with Wicker and WhatsApp? Yet people still use those application.
You're carrier is spying on those but still i get what you mean *and of course apple being petty to not playing nice with joining the RCS standard* cause the guilt trip of "don't be a green bubble" sadly has worked for many years.
They can't ban to force a downgrade as much they would want to.
As an indian, this is a sad news to hear. But as you mentioned out "Terrorism is a small problem in India" is an oversight.
Truth being told, there are lots of incidents popping up every then and now, hence taking action like this makes sense and justifiable to an extent, the region of Jammu and Kashmir and some regions within India have a portion of youth who are brainwashed by radicalists to take down the government or harm people that believe in different religions and faiths, they find these modes of communication to be reliable for these activities. Not just the youth themselves, there are many cases where the terrorist who carry out the operations in the country happen to use such tools, back in 2008 during the Mumbai Terror Attack, i believe they used satellite phones to communicate with their peers as well as agents overseas.
It makes sense as to why banning apps, was the governments' solution but it sure is not a very effective one. But nonetheless, we are trying our best :)
Yes but banning is not the answer
I think us Americans are desensitized to the term due to all the bs passed as such here.
@@nojuanatall3281 tbh you guys just had one incident.
Imainge of that scale every few years , like school shooting happens there, same but pakistan terrorists do it here , instead of kids.
Yeah Totally all chaos in India is brought by the people of Jammu and Kashmir and it is not India that wants a piece of their land and it is not India that have driven the indigenous out of their homes killed their families and jailed their leaders without any court hearings. If you re dumb enough to not understand I am being sarcastic here. (before you come after me I have the same opinion about Pakistan.)
I think stopping the radical Rw agenda is more important than some anonymity providing apps
Just to clarify, these are banned in only one state of india: Jammu & Kashmir, which is actually under constant terrorist activities since the beginning. Though i think the ban makes no sense.
I live in India and I can still download element and imo and I can still access mediafire.
This law like most others is more of a "if we catch you for something and we find these apps on your phone you go to jail" than an actual ban
@@marcogenovesi8570this is a ban. But only in the J&K region.
But India won't get rid of Windows tech support scammers.
Most scammers come from West Bengal state
lol because thats actually doing something meaningful, not on their agenda...
1. It's important to be in other person's shoes in order to understand their problem.
2. US being miles away is concerned about China, we share a land border, plus a hostile Pakistan on the west.
3. And a REMINDER INDIA Banned Tik Tok, world followed.
Ye Americans p*ssy backch*di karne as jate Hain bhai kya karen😂
There will always be government stooges like you praising and supporting authoritarianism. What you're saying is a very slippery slope. Literally all of your freedom can be taken away by saying you share border with a hostile neighbor(s). "Let's stop having elections all together, because we are a good strong permanent government to protect this country from China and Pak".
ROFL 🤣.
1. It doesn't take to put your foot in a dirty shoe to know it's bad.
2. Yeah, Pak & China are concerns but that doesn't mean it's justified to spy on Indian citizens. Like the video said, US already played the national security game 2 decades ago lol. US citizens & courts overruled it unconstitutional despite being in literal war.
Indians need to learn better to protect individual rights.
3. Don't feel proud of banning tik tok fool. Americans again realize the potential for censorship & are opposing the ban. Indians need to stop being submissive to authority.
Trying to explain westerners is futile. Their definition of asia is china 🤣
Your excuses just further discredits India in the eyes of the world. No foreigner cares about squabbles with Pakistan.
3:59 can we all appreciate how MO didn't post a screenshot of the actual number of deaths due to terrorism but a meme instead? Perfect.
He is right though. Goverments are (or pretend to be) shit scared of terrorism, but in terms of people dying it's a tiny problem.
India actually has quite the high rate of terrorist acts in comparison to other nations according to statistics-although it still doesn't justify this, and I feel as if the state would stretch the definition of "terrorism" to mean "opposition" to use this as a means of censoring political speech + since people intent on engaging in actual terrorism don't care for laws involving it anyways, this restriction wont stop anything but instead lead to innocent citizens having their privacy rights violated & for those few who still claim they have "nOtHiNg tO HiDe", would you want a private individual snooping on texts sent to friends/family? No, then the state shouldn't have the ability to either, there are plenty legit reasons to want privacy.
If the Indian government wants to spy on my phone content to prevent a terrorist attack, I'm ready for it. Absolutely no worries. I trust the executive in India and they have never let us down. I need to survive first to care about privacy.
@@Shivam-ck1fg good job goy
The most terrorism in India comes from those scam call centers. Terrorizing old people is how a lot of people make money over there. That is a type of terrorism.
The difference in western and eastern culture is that western culture is very self centered and selfish culture, while eastern culture is very social (ofc I'm not talking about Indians who blindly copy west). Here people don't really care about privacy, and most people really have nothing to hide. Why do you think everyone of 1.4 billion people in India is going to be tracked when that will be really expensive. You can easily tell which section of the society really needs to be tracked.
We should all realise that terms like "freedom", "rights" etc are very superficial, those concepts dont exist in nature. Its a privilage our human species experience, but it can as easily wither as the flowers in autumn.
My point is its not correct to look at eastern countries from a western POV, (even if you're from eastern country who blindly copies west)
@@ashwinrawat9622 Silly oversimplification
Terrorism is not a relatively small problem in in in india there are clashes in border almost every day and many of our soldiers are martyred but I don't this is good enough reason..
Im currently visiting family in Iran. People here sell vpns (to bypass restrictions) infront of the naval base in bandar abbas lol
based
This guy lost me when he said terrorism is a small problem for India.
Well there is poverty. I agree terrorism is not by any means small here, but there are more problems that the government should focus on.
well its obviously a problem bu the people affected by terrorism is absolutely miniscule to how people would suffer from being controlled by the government if this applied to all of India (heard it's only a small region)
MA'AM, MA'AM DO NOT ENCRYPT!!!
WHY DID YOU ENCRYPT, MA'AM?
LMAO 😂😂
Designated encryption channel
It is banned just in one disputed border state not the whole country.
Indian here, Just to present more context. We are actually affected by terrorist organisations, We didn't invented the term just for the sake of it.
We have land borders with Afghanistan, Pakistan whose sole purpose is to destabilize india.
That being said, I am completely in the same boat. If you can't ensure privacy rights of citizens it is absolute failure. Period.
Like PFI, demographic changes and sleeper cells etc. Yeah we have lots of problems with terrorist
You just mentioned a bunch of borders without mentioning any t3rrorism stats. Most acts of t3rrorism that i see on my feed are done by the supporters of the government who lynch minorities simply because their political leaders told them to, yet their acts get classified as patriotic and not t3rrorism.
I don't think India connects with Afghanistan.
@@osamaanees8406 afghanistan is already start business with india also kicking Pakistan aaa
@@mahendrap1960 Why can't you all just get along or ignore eachother? Fighting is not what any of the gods want.
DO NOT REDEEM ENCRYPTION SIR
LMFAO
Oh, so Telegram is still allowed? That's good.
They proved Telegram is a honeypod
Russian backdoor so they cool w dem
@@gtron212not by default
Signal also still allowed.
@@an1ketsharma So I wonder why Telegram is so effective in China. Does RU really not share?
I mean as long as Signal and it's Forks are available, most still wouldn't care of those, not to mention IMO more than terror!still was used by people to sexchat with strangers.
edit: Also terrorism is definitely not a small problem especially as Pakistan, Afghanistan literally has borders with us, and even China train militants in Arunachal Pradesh, not to mention Militants from Bangladesh as well as Sri Lanka too exists and keep attacking India.
But even then this is not any excuse to ban these apps.
It's like asking the women to stay at home cause of r@pes.
Ugh dude use Jami
You wouldn't believe but the present Indian government has advised to stay inside to stop rapes. Yes, that's the state I live in : (
You mentioned a whole bunch of countries without sharing any stats of t3rrorist cases, just fear mongering
@@anubhavsandhu Your comment is hidden because you openly used the "r" weird
@@LMC-ud8zcyep still a problem they're mainly china sponsored trying to spread Marxist ideas
4:00
India: Why don't you back it up with source?!?!
Mental Outlaw: My source is that I made it the F up!!
India: Lol my too here I'm banning 50 more. Cope
It looks like this mental outlaw guy might himself be a jihadi member of peaceful community to make such a claim.
so it's yet another "we can't enforce this but you better believe we'll use it to jail anyone inconvenient" law
Not really, because the majority of Indians will be using WhatsApp and nothing else.
Facebook is already probably providing the government with access, which is why WhatsApp won't be banned.
Terrorism on the borders with the likes of Pakistan at Kashmir is a big issue, with terrorists and sleeper agents using it to enter the country to commit terror attacks, as is quite frequent atm in India.
In India you could just bribe an official if you really wanted to get out of a bad situation, it's not really that authoritarian as the country as a whole consists of so many different groups and cultures.
India bouta pull a North Korea on us 🥲
North Korea? Your alphabet agencies litteraly rape kids for any sort of information.
How popular is WeChat over there? Because it sounds like they’re going there.
I think it has been banned for more than 2 years now
Let's make a direct democracy without politicians.
Sorry, I disagree with you on this one coming from an Indian myself. The banned E2EE apps were never in common use by regular indians. And the terrorism problem in kashmir is real. May be you are not in touch with geo political scenario of India
I mean, this is the eventual goal for all of the world, but india's government seems nowhere near good enough to do this yet. I just have to look at the situation with the thousands upon thousands of scammers to know that the government is insanely corrupt and unethical. So I highly doubt india is at a point to do this yet. But someday it should be!
Their goal, as in every government, with everything, is not to effectively "stop" people from doing illegal stuffs. But to accumulate power for themselves, it is never to "protect the people" nor "fight terrorism".
Scammers aren't even a big problem in India. The West's media is just blowing it up since it targets "the helpless grandparents" and make people furious.
It beings in revenue and money into market.
Good for india for now , like chinese copy cats, they clone stuff and seelll it , bring revenue.
They need it to grow also
The loyalty towards current government is crazy 😢. If it wasn't for this government this would not happen .
Thousands upon thousands? Try millions or tens of millions.
Scamming is a full-time white-collar industry in India, sharing office space with legitimate corporations, and since India's reverence towards white-collar work is so pathological there's no shortage of new recruits.
I love Westoids crying about something as negligible as scammers. Fragile bunch.
I LOVE your videos, but seriously should have looked up the stats on terrorism so more normies could relate my friend. Also, I love the Tennessee ranch. I'm sorry to hear about your gramps, btw.
As an Indian, I'm speechless....
And god knows they may ban Linux some day
India's been known to shut down large regions with people to combat "terrorism" by turning off the internet connection. They also forced Indians to switch over to a new currency or whatever without much thought or notice to "kill" corruption and criminals' money lmao.
Unintentional pun?
@@techbytes102 probably they wont. Linux is still used in a lot of areas outside the govt offices, like Universities. Banning linux is same as banning students from how to learn technology lol
@@techbytes102 funny thing when people say ban it, they'd have to make all of the people using it in corporate criminals.
Or ya know, the people with plex servers in their home or anyone using Android.
As an Indian viewer, this news is absolutely disappointing. The terrorism problem is far severe than people from outside assume. To put it in context, just imagine if mexican cartels infiltrated Texas and started spreading religion propaganda, to polarize the general public and they are somewhat successful (The success rate is higher in our case because when India and Pakistan got independence from the Britishers people were segregated based upon their religion and this only happened in the span of roughly 30 hours, so naturally there are individuals whose family are on the other side of border, who might be more prone to these propaganda) And basically residence of J&K (Jammu & Kashmir) are discriminated due to this terrorism situation. Also, there was a recent documentary released named "The Kerala Story" based on terrorism, so basically, the patriotic engine is running on full speed, fuled by genuine patriotic emotions.
Anyways, moving on, The Technological Literacy in India is quite low, especially in politicians who pass these types of rules, who are so illerate that i doubt they would be able to diffenciate between an SMS & WhatsApp, Apps that they use regularly.
And why don't people protest who are technologically literate? Because they would be painted as traitor & anti-national, people think if you are not against certain views, you support it. & People have the mentality "If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem if you are not able to?"
But I doubt these rules will change anytime soon.
P.S. I don't usually comment on videos, but sometimes our country makes stupid decisions & the people reacting to these news just need some context to understand their decision process.
This comment is just to inform people, i don't support this decision, but I love my country.
Half the apps this dude mentioned aren't even used by most Indians and he shows an article saying "An article by the Indian Express" but proceeds to show a completely different website. He shows mediafire and how tf is mediafire an e2e website when it's blatantly prone to hackers and advertisements. It's the most commonly used file sharing proxy among terrorists and Insurgents.
Sometimes would be an understatement
I feel sorry for you, you are stuck loving a country that couldn't give less of a shit about you...
More like imagine if your country's ruling elite started polarising their population on religious lines instead of some secret evil underground organisation because they realised people's hate translates to votes better. 99% of the terrorism problem would go away by the simple act of no longer watching television. Also no religious segregation because of partition didn't happen over the course of like 2 days, it happened over the course of at least a year or longer depending on how you view things, the violence began in 1946 (look up direct action day) not 1947, modern politics are such that you can breed animosity between two groups living together for centuries for a decade or two and just over the course of a year drive them into insanity.
Imagine thinking Westoids care.
One important point that almost everyone seemed to have missed:
"Those 14 apps are only banned in India's J&K region(sharing border with both Pakistan & China)"
Terrorism is an actual issue in india. However this very extreme measure.
Edit: Unacceptable move.
You think this move being relegated to just the J&K region is an extreme move? If so, you and your family doesn't deserve to be protected the army.
Normal people don't even use these app, most of them are either on what's app, meta or telegram or discord.
And terrorism never really leaves India's side as we have very good neighbours.
Edit: understandable! But I am safe because I don't have a shower.
i thought you did the le libre podcast so you wouldnt have to make a full video anyways love your stuff
You should have looked it up before claiming terrorism is not a big issue in India lmao, the main issue in the country from an outside observer’s POV is religious tensions between Hindus and Muslims
No it isn’t. Jeets are just coping endlessly about Muslims
Somehow christians are having religious tensions in France with the muslims now.
Brazil is soon doing the same thing... Because politicians don't like to be called corrupt or thief.
India : bans chinese tiktok
West : wow very bold step ... Wish we become thatconfidend 😚
India : ask for some control on Western sites .
West : ohh noo ! FREEDOM AND DEMACRAZY. Is in danger 😭😭😭😭
"With the first link the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably"
It is only banned in one state where terrorism is a big problem. Other than that state everybody can use these apps just like I'm using it right now :)
There are a few sides to this. Freedom and safety are often at loggerheads (remember covid?). While I don't think any government should have the right to ban something like this because it's a slippery slope towards too much control, saying that t3rr0rism isn't a legitimate problem is naive. This is India. Not Netherlands. It has some of the most volatile and hostile borders out there. Don't pretend to know the extent of the threat we face. Also, I don't quite buy the whole democracy is at stake argument because things like this have happened in the US and Canada as well. You booted Huawei for exactly the same reason - security risk. The double standard of calling it a legitimate action when done by a western country but an "attack on democracy" when done by India is unfair.
Once again, I do not agree with the move but the assumption that it is only done for malicious intent is just that. An assumption. Finally, most popular messaging apps used by the majority like WhatsApp are still very much active and there's no talk of banning those so let's calm down a bit before jumping to conclusions. We have a strong enough judicial system if someone wants to challenge the move. Nothing is done unilaterally.
Besides. All these apps aren't even banned in the entire country. It's only banned in J&K. Very ignorant or malicious reporting.
@@AchiragChiragg Yeah this is what happens when people peddle half researched info. And the biggest problem is that people buy it based on what they want to believe without doing 30 seconds of research.
I wonder if this will spread to things like SSH and even https and SSL? Can't have us proles on the internet without absolute transparency
Btw, wikipedia says that in 2012, 231 civilians died of terrorism in India. 'Terror attacks caused 231 civilian deaths in 2012 in India, compared to 11,098 terror-caused deaths worldwide, according to the State Department of the United States; or about 2% of global terror fatalities while it accounts for 17.5% of global population.'
At least the matrix itself wasn't banned. They just banned Element so this is not that bad for it's users. They just need to switch to other client.
Even element can be obtained but not from Play Store.
man you really opened the floodgates of indian and pakistan politics
I can only wonder why the glowie has specifically Brazil's Federal Police badge in a video about India
Also Brazil Mentioned 🇧🇷🎉🍻
>Slipping and falling in the bath
>Bathing
>India
Ayo hol up.
When they ban an app it gives me comfidence in it
like tik tok ?
@@notadragontype7496 toucé
Why stop there - ban all apps!
thats the end goal thought
If you were here on grounds in India and were deployed or living in terror prone areas like Kashmir, Odissa or West Bengal, you wouldn't be making fun of the "terrorism" aspect. Radical Islamic Terrorism is a huge problem in India, funded by both Chinese and Pakistani military. Although I don't support this move, it's a last resort move.
Make fun all you want man, but it's high time the world recognizes the nuisance Radical Islamic terrorism is, and stop shielding it under "secularism".
Have you ever considered creating a matrix room? IMHO matrix is the best chat protocol from a features POV, and it's also decentralized/federated with E2EE support.
@humbletyler9699 You are likely talking about the official matrix server, which is indeed exceptionally bad (and slow, so even beyond privacy there is a functional reason to not use it), but there are plenty of other, much better ones.
India really just gave us a tutorial on what apps they can’t hack into.
For now* They've already ordered the NSO group for hacks.
This is happening in Brazil as well, they're trying to limit access to VPNs and Telegram.
They banned element but not synapse or anther matrix service, what stops you to just use another matrix client?
Terrorism, outside meddling and immigration is a huge problem here in India. You might get to know about them through past incidents. There are people who are gaslighting others and funding such activities. Government could have handled it differently but banning them was easier then deploying countermeasures and bureaucrats will choose the easiest available option.
Good video, and I completely agree with what you have to say, BUT not having a source is one step towards a false narrative.
An american giving his opinion on a subject that has no idea, a clasic
Doesn't matter how bad a person is, they deserve private messages
Hell no wtf
What about nonces?
"But the people are retarded", seems like you found one of the people.
That's not the argument being made, everyone deserves privacy, it's a right, but it's one you abdicate of when you do acts of crime/terror.
What's being argued is if the answer is "We are doing it because of terrorists", than attack the terrorists not everyone indiscriminately.
Woke ass american
@@z_0968 why don't you give us ideas on how to handle terrorists and keep the public safe
Hey, I really appreciate your videos, but I wanted to let you know that you might not be up to speed on the situation in India and their significant problems with guerilla terrorist organizations.
I'm not suggesting that this is a legitimate or effective way of dealing with the issue, as it often leads to the infringement of rights for ordinary citizens. However, it would have been helpful if you had taken the time to inform yourself before underestimating the severity of the situation.
Thank you for your videos, and greetings from Germany!
As far as I know Russia is not banning any messages. A few years ago they tried to ban telegram, but then they came to an agreement with the developers and telegram was allowed again.
I think most people won't even read this or acknowledge this. Prepare to be called KGB wolf or some shit like that.
i don't know how true that is, But Why wouldn't the russian federation spy on Telegram? it's not meant for Government Officials or military. It's a Civilian platform. and It's Proprietary.
Most worrisome thing is these Westerners do not know situation which India faces. They have all countries surrounding them democracies which make them feel safe. Hope one day America will be surrounded by nation like Pakistan and China and see how many days they sing tune of democracy? They are afraid of Russia and China which is far off their coast. India need to take steps which is infact taken by elected goevernment. And who are these westerners who judge? They themselves done some horrific, authoratarian and atrocious crimes in past decades which we could not even blame countries like China, Russia and Iran for.
It's in one state, where there has been a severe prevalence of terrorism in the last half a century. As an Indian, it feels odd to ask people to stop over dramatizing everything. And yes, you can talk sh*t about govt here.
As if India isn't already leading in internet shutdowns 🤡 go do all the mental gymnastic to justify even that too.
@@fugslayernominee1397 yeh don't try to teach us how to run our country and have any problem? we already know your hypocrite ass
And of course we wouldn't want Indian journalists to be able to communicate with whistleblowers from the increasingly authoritarian and corrupt Indian government! Can't have them writing nasty things about us (we'll literally throw them in jail if they do anyway)
WhatsApp and telegram is not banned. j&k is not even 1% of India's population
How is that any different from every other country (especially western countries)
I don't want terrorists to use encyrpted messaging to coordinate attacks in india. India is one of the worst affected countries by terrorism
Interesting that Signal and Telegram are not banned
Coz they are huge, and the back clash will be tremendous
Just give it some time, after 2024 general elections, Modi and BJP will show their final form
@@token3462general public don't care about this our main concern is national security.
he said in the video, they have representatives to call. apps like element dont
@@token3462 >final form
WOAH ! JUST LIKE MY FAVORITE MARVEL MOVIES
SO HECKING KINORINO
@ॐ 卐 ࿗ Warrior of Kashi ࿗ 卐 ॐisn't it ironic that you call them trustworthy in another comment and still want government to ban them?