Are Linux Users Elitist? And Why Linux Elitism is Valid!
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- In this video I explain why Linux elitism makes sense, and why elitism may make sense in other areas aswell.
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I, too, start having long semi-philosophical monologues when my packages are updating for too long
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@@themanwithnoname412 ok.
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@@gohan5400 based and redpilled baby
wow. great points brought to the table here
If you're elitist about an operating system, you're probably elitist about a lot of other stuff that you think the 'average person' doesn't know (or actually care) about.
Yeah, so? 🗿
People are better in other fields of life, so they don't care or don't have time for becoming an 'elitist'. I have used my free time for linux, and also have other interests in life. So use your free time in learning something!
I use Mint but have also fought against MS-DOS and Win98 problems. I can now certify that people have become way lazier
I would normally switch to Linux permanently knowing the disadvantages of Windows, but the stuff I mainly do (i.e. playing games) on my PC doesn't work very well. As someone who considers himself a game connoisseur stuff like constant bugs, performance issues and endless troubleshooting really grinds my gears in Linux, not to mention that some games (like Valorant or Warzone) won't even launch at all, because creators decided to be this way. Big thanks to Valve and Mathieu Comandon for brilliant tools like Proton and Lutris, but it's still far from perfect for casual usage.
It's funny to me when Linux users are announcing "*THE* Linux Day" from time to time usually without achieving any major milestone. To me the real Linux Day will be when their market share will achive 3% and Adobe tools will be avalible.
XD gentoo installation didn't finish
Learning linux is like mountain climbing. It's painful while you're doing it, but you feel satisfied once you do it.
There are no mountains in Linux. It is all cliffs.
@@1pcfred What makes you say that?
@@keafoleafo8368 personal experience.
@Jett Really it's security and overall functionality. Linux is a lot harder to get a virus on, as most viruses are run through executable files. Also, everything has to be run by the root user, and any install you would need to do comes from n official repositories.
Functionality might sound weird to some people, but really Linux offers it in spades. Any basic drivers you'd need are just baked into the kernel by default, meaning that any extra installing you'll have to do is greatly minimized. Linux OS's also give the user near-full control over their systems.
One more thing: being open-source means that the people in charge of updating things are those who will be running those programs. This means you won't have to wait on a big tech company to release an update way later down the line in order to fix a bug in something.
So no, there are valid reasons to run Linux. Imo, anyone who runs it just to "feel elite" is completely missing the REAL benefits of it.
@Jett Unfortunately, every community has its toxic side... Ubuntu IS usually classified by people as a "beginner Linux OS," but really I think along with Mint and Manjaro it's a good place to at least start, or even stick with for years afterward and will serve as really good systems to run (Ubuntu has probably given me the most problems with drivers out of the three though). I think most Linux users think more like that, and would gladly help with any issues that may pop up. Don't feel like you aren't a real Linux user if you didn't build out a fully customized Gentoo system or something.
Honestly, I never got the idea of elietism. I just see OSes as they are, tools. Some tools are better for some jobs, and for some people doing those jobs.
Over my 16 years of life, I've worked with numerous distros of linux; but equally so, if not more, versions of windows, and dabbling into macos(x). I've even used DOS, FreeDOS, and would like to try many others (OS/2, NeXT, etc)
Personally, I just like being well versed in these things so no matter the job, I'll know how to ask for help.
I admit I won't know everything about any OS, and while I may know more than an "average user", I don't know as much as other people. The main idea, to me, about getting used to new OSes, is less about knowing it inside out; more so, knowing *what* goes wrong when something goes wrong, and how to ask for help if you don't know.
Everyone sees everyone else an incompetent. A plumber will see a software developer as someone who just sits on their ass all day on a computer, and a software developer will see a plumber as someone who just does simple labor. Employees see their bosses jobs as easy because bosses just have everyone else do the work, the boss sees the employees jobs as simple because the boss doesn't know all of the details of the jobs their employees do. Really, everyone lives a life and thinks just like you, they have interests hobbies, friends, family, thoughts, morals, philosophies, etc. etc. exactly like you. I think you underestimate the average person. I love privacy, I use linux on my computer and refuse to buy any kind of virtual assistant, I try to only use open source software, etc. etc., but I'm able to understand that some people just don't care. It can seem really important and correct to really care about privacy, but the person I'd be thinking down on probably has their own thing they care about that think exactly the same about.
and months later youll be saying how linux is for everyone.
That contradicts the idea of elitism.
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I think eliteism is not valid, but it's natural... and there are some forms where you just have pride and realize that you are better at something, and some where you view others as lazy for not following your interest...
Reality.... we have way too much in the world so different people focus on different things... and we should respect that and build each other up... support each other... help each other. Being good at different things is actually much better for us as a society...
*enters room*
Me: Yes, I am an elitist. I use arch btw
*proceeds to not elaborate any further*
*leaves room*
I started using Linux and lost all friends. Looks like they aren't on my level anymore. Time to visit some science labs to look for one
When women visit my home I always make sure to hide my Windows drives and run neofetch on my Arch build
And it works every time. I've never been touched by one since!
@@myron7642 haha you make my day
Underrated comment lmao
This is so relatable. But still running neofetch is a favour for them though. Just let it blink on the login screen. They may think the computer is down or something lol.
I use macchina, it's built in rust and provides a single binary and configuration option with command line flags. It's much faster neofetch and looks more elegant
Installed ubuntu for runescape? My god. That game brings back memories, mostly negative ones.
In my case, mostly of my memories are about people gifting me great stuff just for being a player among a group of bots lol
stockholm syndrome xddd
Yeap! We are a bunch of elites, no doubt about it.
But unlike your typical elites, we want more of us, not less. XD
This! I'm glad somebody understands the message I put forward in this video.
I'm pretty sure most educational elitists want to have more of their group too
@the biggest shell I disagree. Its not just a choice of tools type debate of the 'apple vs Samsung' or BMW vs Mercedes ' kind. With linux, you can claim to be elite because you understand more of your OS, thus enabling you to use a more efficient and streamlined one than other users.
@@MentalOutlaw
Send elite modders to my ship instead of me asking the zillionth channel relevant somewhat to the topic and no one ever doing shit because the elitism is insufficient to be human tiers of useful.
@@MentalOutlaw
The flynn effect is a statistically relevant quantum memory jung called the collective unconscious as the primary culprit. I can literally prove it objectively. IQ is heavily loaded toward the parietal and temporal lobes. It cares very little how well developed your frontal lobe or visual cortex is. Hence most people haven't the slightest clue what intelligence is despite being the most gifted animal type on this planet. The reason is darwinian evolution doesnt care if you care.
[The Tale of Two Elitists]
Carpenter Elitist: **walking in IKEA to buy some meatballs**
Carpenter Elitist: (thinks to himself) Look at all these IKEA sheeples, a bunch of normies who don't have the skills to build their own furniture.
Carpenter Elitist: (thinks to himself) These people neither have the curiosity nor the initiative to learn basic woodworking.
Carpenter Elitist: (thinks to himself) I guess some people are simply like that, docile and apathetic.
_Later_
Carpenter Elitist: (to his son) Son, I have the IKEA meatballs you want. Were you able to fix the issue with my laptop?
Son, Linux Elitist: Yes. That issue will keep coming back. I can install Linux in your laptop to permanently resolve that issue.
Dad, Carpenter Elitist: I don't have time for that Linux you keep talking about. Windows works for me. Just fix it again later if the issue returns.
Son, Linux Elitist: (thinks to himself) I guess some people are simply like that, docile and apathetic.
Son, Linux Elitist: (thinks to himself) Some people neither have the curiosity nor initiative to learn basic information about operating systems.
Son, Linux Elitist: (thinks to himself) I hate to admit it but my dad is a normie and a Windows sheeple.
Exactly.
Some people focus their effort into different parts of life.
@@blehmeh9889 I dont know. Basic woodworking skills can be learned in a couple hours of watching tutorials. Then you can do some kind of project, like making bookshelf as a weekend project. It not really different from getting a linux installation up and running and customizing a thing or two. Now of course there are things where you need years of experience and if that is what you need you should consult the experts, but I feel like most people don't even think about "can I do this myself?" and they'll just give up immediately, even they they could achieve better results with just a couple hours of learning. Somehow I can't get behind that line of thinking.
This story is better than all netflix nonsense put together
Nobody that is lucid is calling a carpenter who uses windows a brainlet. Its programmers who dont want to learn because of their ego that are brainlets. We dont expect carpenters to use gentoo, we dont care. We expect programmers (people who are self declared experts and professionals who spend their entire days programming on a computer) to be somewhat not retarded. Theres a huge difference, that whole story was a strawman.
@@TehGettinq Maybe you see a strawman because the Linux elitism in the story is not your version of Linux elitism. If I have to guess, your idea of Linux elitism is something like "Programmer who use Linux are L337. Self-declared expert programmers who don't use Linux are R3tard3d". Is this accurate or is this still a strawman of your idea of Linux elitism?
>using linux in front of class mates
>teacher says "Ok students, now open photoshop"
>start furiously typing away at terminal to install Wine
>Errors out the ass
>Everyone else has already started their classwork start to sweat
>Install GIMP .what the fuck is THAT anon?" a girl next to me asks
>tell her its GIMP and can do everything that photoshop does and IT'S FREE!
>"Ok class, now draw use the shape tool to draw a circle!" the teacher says
>fucking break down and cry and run out of the class
>I get beat up in the parking lot after school
This copypasta gets me every time.
That's anon's fault for not having wine or bottles ready
Cool pasta. They giveaway free Photoshop licenses in school? I would not take it anyway. In my childhood Photoshop was always free(well, you should pay for cd though). But I was not able to learn how to use it. Too many buttons. GIMP was learned in a couple of hours, and without any guides. Still using it.
Before GIMP I used some photo program which came with scanner cd. They broke this program later and I had to use the old version and later they discontinued it. It was on windows 98. From that time I prefer opensource, as they are never discontinued.
@@enosunimSome schools do. Also yeah I prefer krita over adobe stuff, I haven’t used gimp much.
@@enosunimArcSoft PhotoStudio 2000?
Everyone is a normie to someone else.
real event happened to me
teacher: What OS yall using
a girl in my class: I use Linux!
teacher: Awesome! You're already my favorite student! Which version do you use?
girl: latest
Not exactly wrong, she probably played the smartass card and referred to the kernel instead of some distro.
@@MegaManNeo or used windows and just lied...................
the teachers question doesn't make sense either, he should have asked what distro do you use instead.
@@Theironlefty tru, i might be wrong i think his original question was "which linux do you use" cuz he knew what he's talking about
plot twist: she uses LFS and named her OS "latest"
I think "elitism is valid" is too broad, but makes decent bait tbh.
Said elitism can be divided into positive, and negative. Positive is the healthy and valid one, which you've described. It's the pride in your choice of OS, and the fact that you go against the flow, and live differently, and the general ability to claim "I'm good with computers".
Negative elitism is the one that is not valid however. It's the one where you feel so up and above anyone else that you constantly berate Windows users and sometimes even your fellow Linux elitists (because they don't run Arch btw). I frown upon this kind of toxic elitism.
I agree! I’ve only used Mint for a while a few years ago but I want to get back into Linux. Every time someone is an asshole about Linux being better / Linux users being superior, I just want to give up on it. And unfortunately, there are a lot of assholes in TH-cam comments.
@@confusedperson3557 I am afraid of getting Linux because of the latter group of elitists (ie. Arch users), but I want to switch to Ubuntu before Windows 11 gets forced onto my laptop. :)
@@confusedperson3557 Mint is a great option! I can help you find some distros that will be beneficial to you, if you'd like some help and positivity! And if linux isnt your thing anymore, that's cool too! I can help you make the best of your windows or macos install too :3
@@kovyvuri this right here is wholesome. Also as someone who been researching and been checking out Linux for quite awhile in the start of June, I actually do want to try out Linux. Mint of how similar the desktop is to windows 10, that I'm familiar with. If I feel like it, I would like to go to arch. But I don't understand much the codes and distros stacks up. There is so many videos but is hard to see which one I could go for. And I have started seeing r/unixporn of how beautiful the customization is (as an artist and a graphic designer who is studying a bachelor for, make me really want to customize my own)
But I need to wait to upgrade my laptop 256gb base ssd for a 1tb M. 2 SSD to have both windows as a secondary and Linux as my primary to dual boot. And my pc to replace the 100 something gb sata ssd for 1tb one.
@Evan John Programming "but muh windows" they choose for an easier and smoother experience out of box, while you toil for an experience close to it.
Linux users are like vegans. You don't have to ask them if they are, they'll tell you and then insult you within the first minute of introducing themselves.
I'm 75 and a Linux user, since 2008 and I have 50 years of experience with the development of computers and operating systems :) I know, what I don't know, so I'm definitively not an elitist.
I want to be like you when i get older.
Teach me daddy
The more you know the more you know that you don't know. The Dunning-Kruger effect in reverse.
Teach the younger users to stop being such childish bitches that sulk and whine whenever someone mentions not knowing how to use Linux.
sir i like arch am i doomed
who else is disappointed emerge is running with -q so we can't see all the compiler messages?
I had it set up like that at first but the problem is it compiles slower (speed is limited by terminal speed) and I also had no sense of how far progress was because all I see is compiler messages being spammed at 200 km/h
some packages (usually if the use CMake or meson) will show build progress. but there are a couple annoyingly large ones that give you no indication of how many hours are left
poppppp
@Christopher Wiggins that goes for a lot of stuff with terminal output. I wrote some code to work with a database i had and it took me a while to realize that the querry only needed a fraction of the time if you dont print Every. Single. Line. Of the results to terminal. I learned that lesson the hard way, the code i used to verbosely test my code was slowing down the program significant
Remember, no matter what you become, never be arrogant.
Linux is tooooooooooooooooooooooo overrated by basement dwellers.
"The real key to _____ is effort not IQ" this applies to so many things
the problem is:
people have lives beyond computers.
an medic dont have to know or care about how computers work , he dont have time to this because he is to busy studying medicine , an area where you can never know enough, there is always something new and important to learn about.
an medic go home, study a bit more, then when he has free time and want to play something, he dont want to know why the xorg is broken, why he is having driver issues, or how to troubleshoot something runing on wine/proton and make it works.
he just want to have some recreation after an hard day of work/study, he need an system that just works.
so, an linux elitist is just someone who think that lives resumes to computer, ignore everything else and think other people are inferior because they dont know as much as he do about computers.
yeah, they are right in being proud of their knowledge in that area, but that is it, an small area of knowledge.
Your English is a small area
Depends on what does the medic use their system for. All OS-es can browse the net and do some basic gaming, play music and movies. If that is all the medic wants, they wouldn't have to learn about Xorg, etc., because most likely they wouldn't need that knowledge (it would work straight out the box,especially with distros that are considered "baby-penguin level".
The more the medic is going to use Linux, the more they are going to learn for it, but that wouldn't happen because They're putting effort learning, but simply by experience.
Similar to Windows - the way we know how how to operate it came from experience, not because we have forced ourselves to learn it. Take the transition from Win 7 to Win8, for example. Or Win 7 to Win 10. I did not force myself to learn it, I just did. While I'm studying for the uni. Same as how I can now work with Gnome.
I don't see myself as an elitist, but I do believe that in order for us to progress we need to acquire new knowledge - little bits, but constantly. Most of the time we don't even realize we do it.
When I was a student I loved to have the full control of my computers with distributions like Arch, but when I started to work I felt I need a more automated system. The last ten years I was using automated desktop distros, mainly Ubuntu, but because I don't like the approach that Canonical took for Snap, I switched definitely to Fedora.
Me too. I ran from Ubuntu to Debian
@@FLMKane what's wrong with Ubuntu? I still use it. And did you run into any compatibility problems(windows and Mac apps don't count) when you moved to Debian?
@@cones914 no
Can Arch not be automated?
@@prorenicsultdas someone who uses Ubuntu on work laptop and arch on personal laptop btw, I do understand why he does that. Even on Ubuntu update broke my system (some libraries which depended on python 3.8 standard but latest Ubuntu came with 3.10). So yes, when you want to keep your legacy apps keep running, Ubuntu is quite handy. Configuring arch for work is something I'm not paid enough to do 😂
You can feel like an elite, you are an elite, that's cool, just don't talk down to people who don't know much about linux or don't use it. I'm pretty sure that those same people you're talking down to, have a profession that you don't know Jack about. Just because they don't know linux doesn't make them "dumb", it only means that they don't know about this part of life that you happened to know about. You know, life is just about bartering. You know something that I don't know anything about and vice versa, that's how society sustains itself. If everyone was an expert in everything, then there wouldn't be any jobs to do, and societies would cease to exist. Be an elite, but don't be a douchebag. Simple as that.
Actually if everyone was an expert in everything there would still be jobs to do... because people had to do the stuff they are expert of basically. It is also unnecessary to call anyone dumb or stupid to say that the choice of picking the operating system which acts against your own interests is kind of dumb. I mean why would anyone pick Windows except for comfort? So his argument about people lacking effort for that part of their life is somewhat valid.
What you are probably trying to say is that people aren't the same and so are their interests. This means that some people just really don't care about what's their computer doing because they just need to look something up, print something, write some document and others. They think they have no time to solve problems of their devices and read forum posts. This is quite common for any kind of technology. For example there are many people who drive cars but don't know how to fix any of it.
The actual problem is not these people... it's fine that they focus on other aspects in their time but at the same time it's pretty concerning they pick this choice. If you just make yourself rely on another instance you don't know much about, you are making yourself pretty vulnerable. For example if Microsoft or Apple would stop their services for everyone who doesn't pay a monthly value, these people would be screwed. There is absolutely no problem with people who are not required to use these operating systems but still do so.
It would be a completely stupid argument to say people who don't even use computers... so they don't use Linux... are dumb. But how would you feel knowing your medical records are saved on an operating system which sends these data to servers your doctor and others don't even know about? If people are using these tools for their jobs they have to know how to use them properly which means know how to ensure privacy and security in many cases.
Problem with this is when people aren't willing to even have a cursory look into something they claim they want to learn and them BLAME the `elitist` for saying read the manual. It's like complaining to your professor when he says read the book or when your boss says do the work. And of course I'm talking about your average reddit-tier safe space passive aggressive type who wants upcummies and to please everybody.
It is good to learn the things you use in every day life. If you own a house, learn about how to make your own repairs and buy locally. If you use a computer, build your own and use an OS that will enhance your experience. If you have finances, learn to balance your budget, save, and how to invest in items. You own a vehicle, learn how to perform basic maintenance until you are able to do larger repairs. Plus basic maintenance will help a lot in not having to do a lot of repairs. People have the incorrect notion on what a "diet" is. It is not something you do when you are over-weight. A diet should be Energy In = Energy Out. People should learn about their body as well, and the effects of the foods they are in-taking.
After that, teach others how to do so in a constructive manner. A perfect example is any *Linux wiki, for example,* that shows basics a person can build on.
Edit: Added above in *
I dunno I worked construction many years and in those circles the shovel elites will shame you for not knowing how to hold one properly
I dont consider myself elite but when i meet a former classmate that made a great career, if we talk about computers or networks they flush and look awkward. And even when i work with (windows)technicians or even engineers they also look ashame for using cpanel and paying 700 dolars a month for a dedicated server that we, the linux intelectual elite, can configure and mantain with a couple of commands
Lol. Elitism is about diminishing others, not about being proud of yourself and your achievements.
Do you ready to admit I'm more elite than you, if I have more advanced skill set in, say, plumbing?
What do you say if some soldier would tell you "oh, you one of those apathetic herbivore people who lost their manhood and urge to kill. Sitting at the computer instead of doing manly things like war and stuff"
This is stupid. I'm in IT for ~20 years now, dealing with much more complicated things than tuning window manger, and NEVER feel necessary to even think about "how elite I'm". Why? If someone is less educated in my sphere of knowledge/interest and express desire to learn, I will help (in reasonable amount), and if they don't... well, I don't care - I have more important things to do. Coz everybody is different, and I do not want to waste everyone's time measuring who exactly better at what exact skill. There always will be someone better than you in something, and always someone worse :)
elitism just helps stop wider adoption of Linux. Who cares if you know more about computers, the average user doesn't care, they could know more about carpentry or Farming food. I want to see Linux someday reach a 10% commercial market share! Don't put down Windows users moving to Linux, the issue isn't your knowledge it's attacking those you don't see as your peer.
I somewhat disagree with the apathy part. People do not care about linux because they have other things that they're striving to excel in. As a linux user myself, I probably take about as much (or perhaps more) cheap dopamine hits than my peers.
This is exactly what's wrong with the GNU/Linux community. Elitism is a construct made by entitled people that think what they use and know is better. I'm both a GNU/Linux and Windows admin. I run a company by myself and manage hundreds of endpoints - do my skills and knowledge make me an elitist? Absolutely not. There is still something I can learn from even the most humble places. A 70yr old tech-averse user can still school me in intuitiveness and usability. Growth occurs when you realize you *aren't* better than the rest. Remember, someone else made the Gentoo system you use that makes you feel like you're better. Someone else made portage and emerge. Someone else wrote the handbook and told you exactly what to do to build your kernel from source. Linus Torvalds wrote the Linux kernel and can't get through a Debian install. Stay humble, turn your brain into a sponge, don't be a dick, and more people will have your respect.
@WHITE POWDER Being better at something than someone else is perfectly fine. My point is that there are as many people that are better than me, as the number of people that aren't. My attitude is to stay open minded and seek opportunity to learn. The elitist mentality just makes you look like a dick. Someone who believes they're an elitist may be right about something, but they deliver it in a way that blocks meaningful discussion, relationship, and educational opportunity. I just can't with those personality types.
It's one thing to joke or meme about "being superior than windows plebs", but actually believing it is just pathetic. As you said, growth comes from adversity, and adversity comes from not being the best at something. Believe you're better than everyone else is avoiding adversity, and therefore avoiding growth.
This deserves to be one of the top comments. The basic premise of this video is a miss. You can't berate people for being "normies" when they are met with gatekeeping-elitism the moment they try and go against the grain they've followed thus far. Gatekeeping and elitism is what ultimately stifles the community, which if you look at the macro of things, means that there is less consideration for native development on the platform.
Well, from what I have seen, we Linux users tend to be more tech savvy that most Windows or Mac users and aren't afraid to try out and learn new tech. Add to that, that about only 2% of desktops in the world are running Linux, I would say that we are in an elite group of computer users. That in itself is not bad. Bad comes when you let it go to your head and become conceded and start looking down on people that don't have your skills or knowledge.
The other day I saw a video from another Linux TH-camr that said "People that use more advanced Linux distros laugh at those that are on lesser ones." He also said "if you're not willing to put in the effort to become an advanced Linux user, do us all a favor and stay on Windows." I thought that was totally uncalled for and I called him out on it. That is the kind of elitism that will keep a potential new user from even trying out Linux. I'm not saying that anyone here is like that. I'm just pointing out how feeling elite can be taken too far and can hurt what I consider a great community in general.
Dont forget that we are also ready to brick our systems while learning, i cant count how often i needed to completly reeinstall my linux because i did some really stupid stuff with it but it always led to me reaching a better understanding of my linux and computers in general
@@swenmcheath1798 Same here man
@@swenmcheath1798 Yes man. And a quick tip. Use timeshift to create snapshots of your Linux system. So if you did messed up your system,you can somehow try to restore it back to normal .
I will continue to have a signature look of superiority when I see macOS
@@TheBigGiant_SpaceChiken I'm actually been interested in Linux in the start of June. I like windows 10, but honestly of how Microsoft is doing with Windows 10 even after Window's 11 launched with Spyware and so many stuff that is too sketchy for my taste that even now next year having a laptop with camera will give you the option to turn it on for them to see your face. That is where I start to think I want to try out Linux.
Even more seeing r/unixporn of how customizable Linux can be, even as a artist and graphic designer like myself really would like to try it out. But I gotta upgrade the base ssd on both my Pc and laptop for a 1tb one for the operating system.
I can't tell if this is satire.
It's serious
here's the thing though, you're a user of a product. You can't really claim to be smarter or more technologically inclined than windows (or macOS) users. And that's because you're simply a user, you're not a developer, you're not an engineer, yet you claim to know more about computers than those who are and use windows. I develop software on windows because I think developing on Linux is a pain since porting from Linux to Windows is harder than the other way around. And I believe I know more about operating systems than most people (I'm confident to say more than most Linux users).
He's talking about the average user. Obviously if he were to claim that all linux users know more than all windows users, that would be a pretty easy thing to find a counterexample for.
@@habl844 he pretty much said that tho
I'm not sure gonna argue Linux users are better at computer stuff. They are. (I'm a windows power user and software developer myself) but the problem is most Linux users seem to think that's the only thing in the world that matters. They don't seem to realize some people want to user their computers for other stuff than networking or programing. I'm not talking about the idiots who just consume stuff with their computers but other productive things like video editing, logistics/ data analysis, illustrating, etc. So it's hard to move to Linux when the majority of its users are dicks about the whole thing. if you ask something they themselves consider obvious they never answer the question they'll just redecule you for it.
Tldr some people want to use Linux and are willing to learn how to do it but the majority of the Linux community are dicks to the noobs trying to learn.
noob says what?
I used Linux for a while, but I found my self googling more then actually doing what I want to do
using Linux in a nutshell
On my Mac is much simpler, at the first googling I discover that what I wanted to do cannot be done so I can continue with the usual stuff immediately
Nothing worthwhile is ever easy.
@@piperna5786 basically if it's not obvious how to do you can't do.
@@tripplefives1402 wdym BSD derivative?
Btw I use arch
@@masteradams2411 btw Arch uses me
@Fizzbuzz ewww
Btw I use archbuntu! Really good yes yes
btw Arch abuses me
@@musikalniyfanboichik copycat
Dude, when someone calls you an elit*ist*, they're not calling you *elite.* They're calling you out for a condescending attitude.
Elitists are comparable to the elite in Squid Games.
The agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
BASED and dare I say it, red pilled
@yarn rav and a true one at that
Linux is also a product of this disaster
Rejected society return to tribalism
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i think a bigger problem is the gatekeeping crowd. the kind of person that insults you if you ask a question on a public forum when they could just ignore it and not respond.
They just want to feel special in their shitty pathetic life. Linux is just a tool just like Windows and MacOS.
I think, any Distro that doesn't uses its Linux identity and makes its own identity will succeed.
To succeed, you have to make your own identity so that you don't end up becoming yet another Distro in the vastness of Distroverse.
Rip TH-cam massacred the comments
No the person getting affected by that is a problem. If you're incapable of seeing such comment and just ignoring it as if you've never read it, forget about Linux, you're not suited for LIFE.
@@ent2220are you serious LOL
@@rusi6219 Yes. All the people I've met in real life who get affected by online comments deeply tend to be very unstable.
The whole concept of being a Linux elitist is hilarious, because mostly elitism has to do with class or status, when Linux distros are free to use for everyone.
Not really. Elite just means being at the top of any given field and there are plenty of fields that you can enter without restriction, Linux is just one.
Lol mental outlaw thinks he a better computer user than other people, yet doesn't know how to use nslookup to lookup a domain and use ping. To me you fall into the same class as the skids
@@aurich172 I don't think he's better, I think he's an idiot who pretends to be better, but when u look into it he's typical open source noob, I respect the script kiddies more than I respect this dude
@@noobian3314 bruh
I've been using Linux over 11 years and honestly, I'm more interested in UNIx-like OS over Windows due to the seriousness that takes to optimize the OS and how daring can be in terms of security (OpenBSD) and transparency (FSF-endorsed distros). The funniest thing about the true linux elitist are that they doesn't like too much to pressume that they are (even they use the presumption like a meme).
There is nothing wrong with being elite at something. All you need to do is put in the work. It is now easier than ever to get proficient at anything, including Linux. The World Wide Web has Basic, Intermediate, and Advanced levels of information on Linux out there, including one of the most important: troubleshooting. I can't tell you how many times I have broken and fixed (with the occasional re-install) my Linux box, just learning how to use it. It is actual computing FREEDOM. No corporations breathing down your neck, no options locked, no EULA's. Just computing.
Agreed.
yea, just like anything else, no one stops you from learning Advanced post graduate level Physics, in fact we bet on people to do that and keep on doing or else after several decades, the society breaks apart and people will go into apocalypse life style where they think it's like TV shows from netflix etc where they get to run around with a gun and shooting monsters while ahving some 'proclaimed' kid who's a computer genius who knows just how to randomly smash the keyboard and hacks stuff.
@@91722854 Yep
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@hvysomething some people just want something easy to get their work done. not everyone nerds out about every aspect of their life. most people are braindead about most things in their life, unfortunately, and a lot of Linux distros can't seem to give up its dream/fantasy of being the foss alternative to Windows, and think being easy to use is what makes people use Windows. It is not. Windows is the software that came bundled on their computer most of the time. Most people won't even bother to learn how to install an os. I run Mint because it is what runs on my old Thinkpad t530, Ubuntu doesn't install and neither does Arch for whatever respective reason, otherwise I would use one of those. I use a tiled window manager, dwm, so I really don't care about cinnamon, although it is pretty well polished. You sacrifice power and customizability for ease of use for the novice. I don't think most novice computer users even know what Linux is.
200 years ago, Goethe wrote something like that :
"in this world, laziness and misunderstanding makes more damage than trickery and wickedness; at least, the last two are not so spread!"
Nowadays, laziness and misunderstanding are the dids of the windows users, whereas trickery & wickedness are the facts of the people who make it.
Running linux is not elitism, it just allow people to escape of the Goethe fatality!
the real elitism is when, you start thinking in "lisp" or "scheme" and run "emacs"!
happy few!
You see, running Linux doesn't make you an elitist- I've done it a few times to dodge the restrictions on my school laptop - but making others feel bad for not knowing as much as you definitely is.
"Mephistopholes"
"Microsoft"
Coincedence? I think not...
Also LISPs are cool :(
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My first exposure to Linux was when my dad force installed ubuntu on my computer to prevent me from gaming all day (probably the best decision ever) when I was around 12 years old, but of course I got around it by learning how to run a windows VM on Linux.
How long ago was this?
The best example of Linux elitism I have ever seen was a TH-cam poll that asked what OS individuals use for coding. Windows was 55% and Linux was 24%, almost all the comments for the poll were from Linux users who were in denial over the results. All they did was talk about how Linux was the best OS for coding and how long they had been using it for.
pure copium
windows is superior for development in some cases, even, and just as good in like 70% of cases
it's like a 20% niche of stuff linux is better at
@notroboteva7601 windows is better at that 10% because of how many programming languages microsoft has developed
that 20% niche is just mainly back end software that windows is not specialized for
windows is just as good in that 70% case because its popular and because of how flexible of an OS windows is
its not on the level of open source softwawre, but for what windows is, it is super flexible
@@funnyman4744100% agree, visual studio makes coding more accessible and easier for newbies too imo. I started learning C# on it and it definitely lowered the barrier of entry quite a bit. The simplicity of using windows forms to drag elements onto a representation of what my program will look like and then only having to worry about the code that defines what they do made it quite a bit easier for me. If I was just dropped into an IDE with an empty text editor, I'd be lost. But having that easy starting point made it easier to actually learn what I was doing in manageable stages.
This is a basic rules of psychology. If you need to prove to everyone about your "elitism". Then it's something wrong with you not with others. I'm using linux for about 3 years in a VFX studio as an artist. But I personally still don't like it. And I don't feel ashamed about it. As a freelancer, I'm using Windows workstation and I don't feel that I need to change something. In the end, you need to do your job good, and not just "I'm using linux and I'm cool".
worst take Ive ever heard, hope this is sarcasm
I just can't be bothered with installing and learning Linux. Like my VM uses it and I have to Google every fucking step. I rather spend the time playing games or something.
Yes, playing games is a much better use of your time.
What's tragic is that most people don't even use windows or mac anymore and they don't even own a pc anymore.
They use Smartphones... they use Android or IOS.
Computers are dying.
I asked to people around me "why don't you use/own a computer anymore?"
Pretty much everyone answered "I don't have any use for a pc, my smartphone can do all I need."
"Normis shouldn't use pcs in the first"
-Yuki Nagato
@@tacticalguy6473 they should just use temple os
Yeah, most people just use electronics for basic communication and entertainment.
true , really sad , choosing that small screens over a pc.
I dont think pcs are dying, i think technology just became more acessible. Before if u wanted it, the only way to go was a pc, nowdays people have cheap phones that can do more that they will ever need, so theres no need for pcs. But the number of people who will use pc just tends increse since progams are becoming more complex and need a more complex enviroment. I dont thnk we are nearly as close to the death of pcs. Sorry for the essay
Linux elitism is a problem because a lot of those Linux elitists like to act like assholes to windows users and even people who are trying to get into and learn how to use Linux. That’s what a lot of people mean when they call Linux users “elitist” and it actively dissuades people from wanting to try Linux.
The video "Linux Sucks 2020" sums up my thoughts better than I can pretty much, so if you dont wanna read my comment, watch a few snippets from that lol
I understand the video, and I agree with the general message of effort and knowledge, and of elitism not being a bad thing. But I think alot of the linux and PC userbase who are elitist users could be more civil and less demeaning to be around. It's not a good way to learn when someone is constantly passive aggressive at you because you cant remember Terminal commands.
I think it all just goes back to being an asshole or not. It's a choice, whether we like it or not. You can choose to be humble and civil, and you can choose to be an asshole. Sometimes being an asshole gets better results, and sometimes being polite and civil gets better results.
I'm turned off by linux because I use my computers almost purely for entertainment and college work. My professors dont like linux, and barely accept ChromeOS, and FORCE me to use Microsoft office doc formats.
On the entertainment end, linux for desktop just kinda sucks. It's a large group of developing bodies (Conanical, Linux Foundation, etc) and it's all run by committee. Nothing ever good comes from rule by committee. The compatibility is still down compared to windows with video games, even though that's getting better. Linux on ChromeOS has frustrated me to no end, and personally, as an entertainment user, I think it's just unnecessarily complicated that linux has like, 5 different packages for applications, with all of them arguing that they are better (appimage disappointed me since the appimagelauncher didnt work at all on my distro.)
So for the entertainment and education crowd, linux just puts you at a disadvantage.
You know what's a good way to learn? Studying. Crack the books and do the work. Do the examples and the labs. Oh and find better professors. Remember who's paying who. Remind them if need be. Maybe if the world was better I'd be better? But it isn't, so I'm not. Modern computers are incredibly complex. There's nothing that can be done about that. That's how evolution works. It is how our entire plane of reality works. Things get more complicated moment by moment. Why you think computers should be different is beyond me. Find a school where they actually teach you things. Life is hard; It's harder if you're stupid.
Did you seriously just compare the lack of "drive to achieve greatness in life", like you call it, and the fatigue which comes with overexposure to dopamine sources, to the unwillingness of many people to use Linux? -Well, "Linux Is Free, if You Don't Value Your Time"
Linux Elitism... *chuckle*
Yah this video is cringe as fuck man. I like mental outlaw but he says some silly stuff sometimes.
The problem I think you really miss is the fact that just because ur an elite Linux user, doesn't give you the right to become a snarky jerk about things. Your point about most people not giving a damn and instant gratification is 100%. But I find a lot of people in the community can be snarky and mean to people who don't fall into that category, and are trying to learn and put effort into it. We all start somewhere, and as people's skills grow they tend to forget where they started. Especially those that started at a younger age.
It's just a tool. Use it according to your particular use cases.
There's not much different anyway in application level. Android studio is still Android studio whether you use it on macs or linux, just bit different on setup maybe. Same with other applications
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This is why us normal Linux users refer to Linux users like you as the vegans of computer users
What I hate about elitists is the fact they tend to think they are always right, even when they're wrong, they don't take the time to question themselves.
Which is why there is endless branches and forks in Linux development. Every so often we have another genius who wants to "fix it" and bam, another fucking fork.
@@ghoulbbyyou have a severe misunderstanding of Linux and the distribution system. It’s all Linux single one of them is packaged with base Linux. The only real difference is a couple kernel flags and the installed packages. You can make one distro identical to any other just by changing some kernel flags and some software installs. It’s just customization.
It’s like if windows offered a “windows gaming edition” which has steam automatically installed and mouse acceleration disabled by default. It’s not a “fixed” version of windows
Nobody is “fixing” Linux. Some people just want some stuff done by default. I’m sure on windows you wish some software was installed by default. Would you really claim you are “fixing” windows by offering a way to have these installed automatically? No, it’s just a convenience tool
@@BitTheByte Sorry, I must have worded that poorly. I didn't mean "Linux" literally, I mean Linux development in general. Software, distro, whatever. I understand many users may find all of the fragmentation useful, but it makes a mess for proper Linux support. I remember when Canonical was going to fix a lot of the problems with more collaboration, and the year of the Linux desktop was FINALLY coming up and... here I am 20 years later. Same shit, different day.
@@ghoulbby Linux is not, and will never be a mainstream desktop system. It is built with security and customizability in mind, these things require user input and knowledge. Most users are unwilling to give thet much input or learn.
Linux is free if you don't value your time
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I remember the first time I downloaded Linux, when Valve forgot to add Linux support for VAC before releasing their games on Linux, good times
Advice for new Linux users.
1. Start with Linux Mint, or Linux Mint Debian Edition 5, or Ubuntu.
2. Choose any Distro which requires least updates.
3. Don't ask linux users coz they want to feel special and will troll you on your lack of knowledge. (Not all are like that though, but you'll have to face arrogant linux users eventually)
4. Follow the install procedure from TH-cam. Just follow step by step.
If you are interested into terminal, learn it from TH-cam/internet, otherwise leave it.
5. Enjoy. And don't forget to be nice with other beginners.
RTM
seriously if some user is asking how to copy a file, of course they're gonna get a reply "sudo rm -rfv --no-preserve-root /". It's inescapable. These are not employees of a company obligated to provide proper support, but random people taking their time to read and respond to your problem. It's a lot more organic. I don't like fake stuff.
@@ent2220 whats RTM?
All other. Distros bad except begener distros 8 month mint user here
I'd tell them that they should search on the web before asking such simple questions.
The Car analogy is perfect. I work at an auto parts store. The people who just "turn the key and drive" and refuse to learn how their cars work and how to take care of them, are the ones who end up having to spend $6000 to have a new engine installed because they ran it without oil for an extremely long time. Their laziness and refusal to learn COSTS them MONEY.
jfc, not running the car without oil was one of the first things my dad taught me as a kid. I'm not even enthusiastic about cars much, and want my first to be an electric, but that's just a basic life skill. ICEs need oil. Holy shit.
I always wondered if there is an overlap between car enthusiasts and Linux users. I think we both have a similar perspective. Both cars and computers are complex, expensive machines, so it makes sense that we would want to get the most out of our purchase through customization and modifications.
@@liesdamnlies3372 Most new cars have an oil pressure sensor which will prevent damage. Unfortunately, the car industry has a trend of hiding information from the user.
Maybe the money doesn't matter as much to them as the frustration of learning something that they aren't interested in? You can appreciate that there exist people who dislike certain subjects, right? Or would just much rather learn something else? Maybe they actually hate driving but need to have a car in order to live in a car-dependent city? This is not laziness. It is a refusal to learn, but refusing to learn something is not bad or morally wrong, it's just life.
@@son_guhun
I get what you're saying, but I think people should at least know not to drive without oil.
"if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
"if you judge people by its abiity to understand how OS works, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
not all people are OS enthusiast, they might dont know how to change their mouse pointer color, or connect wifi via terminal etc
not all people are Car enthusiast, they might dont know how to change the rim, add additional speaker etc
my point is use your OS, and make something useful on it, help people with their problem and stop THINK & BEHAVE like you are above everybody
I installed gentoo on hardware using your guides after trying ubuntu and mint. Even fucked up my boot manager a couple times. I really didnt prefer either. And though it took me a week to actually understand and install it. Im happy i went through with it. Most of the bugs ive encountered arnt down to gentoo but DWM. I even got my chinese display tablet to work flawlessy with krita. I still need to create a script for some settings to work on boot. But im pretty pleased with what ive got so far. Keep up the great content!
It's not elitism. It's just snobbish.
If you watch this video and nod along to it in agreement then you will never understand why most people find Linux users unbearable.
literally
I'm a Linux user and I am learning about my computer.
I use Windows, lol
BUT in my defence I did use Linux almost exclusively for... about 5 years and on and off since then.
Windows is just really easy yeah, lol. Install it, install something like ShutUp10, and then get on with your life.
I found Linux quite frustrating as so often I'd be wrestling with it to try to get stuff done, but to be fairly that's usually due to less third-party support.
Linux has unbearable font rendering; I’m not using it. Are Linux-users really that far up their own ass that they don’t even recognise that their system is fundamentally awful? I have installed Gentoo, Arch, and whatever; It’s quite easy in fact, but I’m not going to use an inferior operating system.
Linux fan Boys are worse than Apple fan boys change my mind you cant
have to agree with you there. At least some things about apple can be justified such as the power efficient chips and ecosystem.
With the reputation Linux has, you need to be curious, willing to learn, and interested in computers to even try Linux in the first place, often with the goal of becoming good at it, which leads to Linux users being better at computers which reinforces the reputation.
And there we got our feedback loop.
Linux will only seem more approachable when people who use it despite knowing next to nothing about it and not caring either become more visible, basically Windows users, but on Linux.
I can agree Windows runs like shit sometimes, but it is a comfortable pair of gloves.
Your car analogy is funny because car makers are now testing a cars like a service model, you can pay to use a car and not have to "worry about insurance or maintenance costs" of course.
Minor disagreement
You blame the normies but I'd blame the schooling system for training the normies to be apathetic. Schools teach you in the most boring way imaginable, then if you don't demonstrate understanding first time around you're dropped as a lost cause. A lot of people who are too scared to even try learning "complicated" things are actually decent IQ but due to their upbringing they lack the confidence to believe they can do it. Are they to blame for their own apathy? Yes. Are they also victims of circumstance? To some degree yes.
If being an elitist involves spending all your time "optimizing" your OS instead of Actually using it, I'd much rather be a pleb. What a horrid existence that must be.
linux isnt hard, its just inconvineint
I think this misses the question quite a bit. It's more about being self-aware that you have the potential to step on others, rather than looking at this situation dead on A4.
If I had some contact with you, would I be scared to show something that isn't top notch. Probably, because I might be scared to get judged or lose respect.
Elitism has more to do with upping your own status, lack of self-reflection, lack of respect, bragging, and judging others out loud.
Elitism is not valid and elitists seriously need to go outside, unsubbed.
Yes it is valid and we do go outside.
Yeah never subbed and disliked
>Average user doesn't put effort towards learning the intricacies of the operating system they run
>People are apathetic with no deeper meaning towards fulfillment and lack a drive for survival and achieving greatness
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I switched to Linux; now I too am a autistic homosexual.
If your sense of self-worth comes from your choice of operating system, that says more about you than your operating system.
An OS is a tool to do something else.
of course linux is faster because you have less to work with. for example. less support for games...AND...less driver support objectily
@@aurich172
how do you know this?
@@cooleyYT does windows create the games themself or do companies support games for windows.... samw thing for linux
@@someonehere4380
i mean how does an OS create games for the OS. thats makes NO sense. think about it. obviously people make games for the OS just like for linux yes but windows happens to also support the ability to OBJECTIVLY have more under its roster for the time being. point being. windows has more games overall. rather or not it SUPPORTS games is a non point
@@someonehere4380
i mean good luck not only finding games but playing ones with most antiviruses that games run
Breaking: computer geeks better at computers than average Joe.
Your are browsing too much 4chan bro
There are two polar opposites. One is "I want to build my OS from scratch, optimize what i can.", sometimes to the point that they don't get to do much work done outside their tinkering.
Other people say "I have a job to do and this computer helps me do it, however it works is fine by me".
Ever Computer user since the invention of the personal computer has to fall somewhere between these points, because everyone at some point has to stop (or at least pause) their tinkering and learning about philosophy to actually create anything that isn't limited to the perfect OS.
It happens to be the case that Linux offers far more options towards the tinkering end, however in many cases to the average human a ready-made system is far more economical, when considering the time invested.
It's a bit like the two lumberjacks, who always start and finish at the same time, however one takes off an hour every day and goes home to resharpen his axe, and ultimately chopped more wood.
Sure, it doesn't hurt to keep a sharp axe.
On the other hand, spending 11hrs sharpening an axe and then do 1 hr of productive work won't get you the results you wanted. And no, you are not allowed to claim hobby time to sharpen your work axe. Fine if you do use that time, but you still only get paid for the time you spend chopping wood. And nobody gets to claim elite status over others just because they overdid axe sharpening.
My tip to you: Keep optimizing your gentoo if you want but keep it to yourself, just like anyone else does what they do and minds their own business.
Thank you for that. Linux does force people to learn about what they are using, and how to use it effectively. The OS might be "free", but a lot of people put in a lot of time. Time is not free, but the rewards from using/learning Linux (new user perspective) is amazing!
Hopefully Pine Phone will be able to have their phone ready for a broader customer base soon! Then, no more android, no more Cr-Apple.
There are some distros that are not really harder than windows or MacOS, their GUI tools are already so advanced that a normie could have a nice workflow while not needing to learn anything about it
@@TNT14gaming I disagree, or most of the distros you are talking about would not have "First Steps" or whatever, opens after your initial install of the os.
@@turtlewax3849 Actually most of them have, people just tend to ignore it... "Because reading manuals is boring"
@@TNT14gaming same with eula's lol then complain lol
@hvysomething Mint and Pop!_OS are really good beginner and user friendly distros. Pop!_OS is the distro that really made me interested in learning and using linux. First i tried was Ubuntu, i just hated it, i don't know why people recommend it
Truth is you're just average. Its called the Dunning-Kruger effect, where you start thinking you're better than everyone else. I read about Linux Drivers when I was 15. And currently in my university, there are tons of people much more talented than me. If you go around comparing yourself to average Windows user and consider yourself a genius, Ive nothing to say to you.
I also installed ubuntu by myself on a Chromebook in the 5th grade in order to play Minecraft not runescape I have been using Linux since lol! 😃
“Am I out of touch? No, it’s the children who are wrong”
In all seriousness, while your advice on how to use linux is very interesting to me, the sheer degree to which you regard yourself as superior to people who can’t be bothered to understand their computer deeply is pathetic. Learn some humility.
I thought this was just going to be a shitpost and I'm somewhat disappointed.
Doesn't matter if it's valid, elitism only pushes people away, it's annoying
Hence why it is elite.
@@14Anon2 Hence why elites are generally despised.
@@spooky5338 But this isn't true, is it? We revere all sorts of people at the top of their fields, whether that be in sports, academia or anything else you can think of. I think you are using the word in a very specific way instead of the actual meaning of the word.
@@14Anon2 And yet, the true elitist snewty punks tend to be universally despised even when geniuses.
And yet, as i just said, this isn't true. Curious.
Wow... There's some really cringe social psychology in this video.
I really wouldnt mind using linux, but i have alot of windows exclusive programs i depend on, like basically everyone else that doesnt use linux
Exactly, that's the main issue
I think the problem with elitism is not that whether or not you are objectively more skilled than someone else at a thing, but instead your ability to determine the objective importance of the skill you have become elite at.
Join the beautiful world of Temple OS elitism!
What annoys me is linux devs who think everyone should have a CS degree before being allowed to ask questions. My family got our first computer when RAM was measured in kB, monitors were green text-only CRTs, and external storage was handled by what most today only know as the "save" icon. I learned a bit of programming in BASIC and was president of the school computer club. I'm not international hacker 4chan, but I'm not exactly a "normie". Yet I keep running into walls trying to learn more because it seems to be a caste system. Ask the wrong question and you get blacklisted. What's the wrong question? Who knows. So I end up reading books and reinventing the wheel. Where was I going with this? I forget. Is it dinner time? Anyone seen my pants?
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