This Is NOT Just Any Old vs. New Jeep Wrangler Challenge: This JL Has a Trick Up Its Sleeve!
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( www.alltfl.com ) Watch more videos from TFL Studios! In today's TFLoffroad video, Alex and Kase try out the old-school, AEV-built up Jeep Wrangler JK versus the brand-new Jeep Wrangler JL with an AccuAir Dynamic Lift system.
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The older Jeep with the “worn out suspension “ did everything needed I don’t think the extra cost for the air suspension seems useful but not worth the extra cash. Then of course when it fails; which it will, the cost to fix will be enormous.
Agreed this is why Jeeps cost so much now a days and the whole selling point of a Jeep is you can replace everything on it but they have stayed to far from that with the new Jeeps. Dealers will love this bc it will be a huge profit generator for service dept
@@JeremyHoutgoogleplus Yes, keeping my JKU forever!
The rep. at the ranch that loaned this thing out said they supply some spare parts to take on the trail in case something fails to get them home. And that they warranty the system for life should anything fail. So, if you believe him, 7K can last a life time.
Aev gear isn't cheap. Make that accuair equiped jeep just as old with the same miles and I bet the price isn't far apart
@@WW-wf8tugood point
It seems that you didn't disconnect the front sway bar on the green Jeep, was that to try and make the air suspension look better. Would have been nice to see the "old school" suspension given all its abilities in this comparison.
Agreed. Sway bar was not disconnected.
I'm sure some money changed hands there, and they're just doing their thing.
They probably don’t even know it exists lol
@Menti Capti a wrench and 20 minutes can still disconnect the thing.
@@JohnnyMojave Or just get physical quick disconnects.
Anybody else ready the title a think of an "old" jeep as a Cj or at the very least an 80s MacGyver jeep?
In the first obstacle, did he have the sway bar disconnect on in the coil spring Jeep? It didn’t seem so
TFL: "Check out this old school coil spring multi-link suspension!"
Me: [Sniffs at his classic leaf springs] "Understandable... have a nice day." 😿👍
Awesome videos by TFL Off-road. I watch their videos often. Yet, never have been off-roading myself. I would love to try off-roading sometime.
You didnt talk about it much but the articulation of the Accuair suspension look to be amazing. Wow.
Its on the low end for aftermarket because of the factory style joints. If you want a flex monster you want rockkrawler, rustys or metalcloak in that order
Great video and cool stuff but my cynical self can only think about the maintenance of said new systems!
Lol same! 😅
Id worry about blowing a fitting, hose, etc
Agreed, if I go over a bump quickly in my WK2 the air suspension makes a bang. Can imagine being in the wilderness and goes bang
Most folks lift are more than 3" so I'm assuming this is for the few
Is my thought ithibk the old tech is the best tech
👏👏👏... That air suspension is nice ....THANKS ALEX, KASE 🙏 HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SUNDAY EVERYONE ✌️
Great videography gentlemen!! Other than the speed, I have to say how impressed I am at how soft and long the articulation is in even its highest setting!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice guys is seeing y’all two versus other guys going up the mountains trails. Here’s how much more costly for a system to add to the Jeep. Or the jeep gladiator. Here’s somebody is having fun target practicing In background.
The TFL kitted out Rubicon is alive! Was beginning to wonder if it was still in the fleet since had not seen it since the day it was showcased. Need to have it in a lot more videos. Need to run both these rigs on the ranch down in the pond course. (back lot) That Touareg TFL had for a long time that Kase mentioned was very cool! I don't recall the air suspension actually giving out on them.
You two work amazing as a team ….great video
I feel I have been watching ads for Accuair.
Awesome rigs and great video, as always guys! I'd love to get air ride systems for my rigs if I could ever fit that into my budget!
Dude really got a Snapchat Bell tattooed on his arm?
I would teke it over coil set up any day. As long as bags are available and not $1k a corner. Works better for loading and towing. And with roof top tent setup can be leveled with a push of a button. In semi truck, i can replace bag in les than 30 min. Plug the hose from broken spring reise other 3 springs which act as a jack. 2 nuts later and plug in the air hose. Ride is infinitely better. As long as it's done right and not overpriced. Never had a problem with outside temperature even with 87k lb on the dack.
Case. The accuair gentleman mentioned, in Tommy’s original video with him, that the system retained the factory Spring rate even in the highest setting. That is why it did ride as stiff as other air suspensions in their highest setting.
Great video!! 💕 OlllllllO love JK and JLs!! I’d stick to the regular suspension though
Love the reviews on actual trails!
Is this a review? Or is it an info-mercial?
What are the temperature ratings for the airbags?
My buddy had issues with air suspension not working on his Ram in cold temperatures (-15 degrees Celsius)
I owned a 2004 Audi allroad quartro with it's air suspension, It was a pretty impressive thing. I only had to replace two airbags in 8 years, and that wasn't cheap. But, I was very happy with what that crossover could do. Some Jeep owners were impressed at what it could do.
That was 20 years ago. Remember how cars were 20 years ago? technology in all aspects has improved a lot (turbo, transmission, exhaust, differentials, cranks, etc.), so I assume they can make better air suspension now. The Model S has them.
@@bluceree7312 The rep. that was promoting this air ride suspension said that several times. Technology has come a long ways. lol (duh)
This system looks amazing, and I guess what we need to consider is the purpose of a vehicle. Is the vehicle a recreational off roader that’s often pushed to the limit for fun? Perfect, this works.
Is it a rescue vehicle that needs to reach very remote areas? Again perfect.
Is it a long distance international overlander or work vehicle? This probably adds the sort of additional complexity most people will happily do without.
I wonder if it will prematurely damage the control arm bushings?
The off-road review videos love them
Keep the vids coming!
With some of the components mounted under the jeep like that, is it safe when submerged?
ya but the cost of repair for air suspenson,nobody seems to mention that.or that when its 20,30,40 below zero and it fails to work.
I'd like to see a 3rd comparison with a JK on aftermarket short arms...wonder where we can find one 😃👈👈👈
How much do tires play into it? Both similar vehicles with different tires.
Nothing better than waking up to TFL on a Sunday morning. 👍🏻👍🏻
Waking up to a swimsuit model would be better, but to each his own.
@@paulmadkow9143 you got me, TFL would definitely come after that.😁
Why do you all drive with 1 foot? It's hard on the drivetrain to bounce back and forth. On harder obstacles use both feet and keep pressure in the torque converter to maintain a smooth and even ride. This will also help keep a constant momentum.
Please do a 4th gen ram kit with control arms and everything! I wanna put 35’s on my warlock with accuair
I don’t remember hearing anything about disconnecting the sway bar on the JK. That would make its articulation much better.
I appreciate this video.
It’s a rare thing to see somebody actually include a JK in a TH-cam video. Just like most manufacturers forgot about the millions of JK owners. Once the JL came out. So did the TH-camrs. When I do a search for jeep, JK builds, the results come up with videos that are three, four, five years or more old.
Just like all of us. We do like anything jeep. But I think it is bad marketing to forget about the millions of jeep JK owners.
Because of this, I only watched about 10% of this video.
While Air suspension is far nicer to ride on and when it works, it also better offroad, it simply is not robust enough. There is almost zero chance you could make something like the cannon stock route using an air system.
I guess in the lower 48 where the trails tend to be short it would be fine, but up in Alaska, or even some places in Texas, not sure I would want to rely on it.
I’m not used to seeing a clean frame and clean skid plate on the older Jeep. The ones around here are beginning to rust bad and/or have penetrating rust. I have living in a salt belt state 😫
With 7k for that suspension you can buy multiple XJs and not worry about "scratching your wheels"..
if you think you can buy 3 xjs that run for $7k post some links
9:21 It is really the same CASE in both - in his Mercedes and in this Jeep. Agree.)
How about a gas ⛽️ mileage test on the highway, does driving it in the lower setting gain you anything? Thanks 😊
I bet it does, but it won't make it worse.
according to the guy I spoke to one the phone its 4-7% better depending on what else is on the jeep
Hehe my jimmy has tortion beam and leaf springs. And honnestly i prefer it because the whole vehicle cost as much as the jl's suspension lol.
It's all nice and cool, until you get to the North during the winter time. I wonder how this Accuair system works in -30C.
Great low frequency sound
2:25, no sway bar disconnected in the green Jeep. not aired down.
4:00, sway bar is disconnected in the red Jeep. not aired down.
The problem with air suspension is at its highest setting, the ride is hard and bouncy.
And don't let them fool you, the Wrangler is still the solid axle vehicle, the ride will not be 'butter smooth'
If the AEV suspension has the heavy duty coils, it would ride better fully loaded. Nice advertisement for Accuair though. Any idea what would happen if one of the airbags fail?
It's ironic when he tells him to stop showing off, because you all know this will be the only reason Jeep owners buy this suspension. Lol
Hell, that's why most of them even own Jeeps.
Around here, maybe 3% of the Jeeps you see are taken off pavement.
That new JL Rubicon has the Extreme Recon pkg with 4.56 gears vs the JK Rubiconhaving either 3.73 or maybe 4.10’s if that was selected from the factory.
They both have the same size tires, same tcase gear and aev converted that jeep to 4.56 so they are virtually identical outside the differences in transmission gearing
Very cool
… and much better on road comfort & economy obviously. That’s why I like my 2008 Touareg on airs 😎
The JK sounded like it wasn't downshift to first gear and looked like the sway bar wasn't disconnected. I could be wrong.
I didn’t know that Jon Heder did off-road vids now !
Does the system only work with coil wheel systems
I would much better like separate setup like in semi trucks (separate shocks and bags) would be simpler and cheeper.
The sweet sounds of freedom in the distance, lol
Love the Wrangler videos -O|||||||O-
Fun video. shocking that it performed better than a crappy vw crossover...
Is there a school nearby at the end or something?
At around 9:30 into the video, I'm going to switch into 4 low to get extra power, 🙃 😅 since when did putting it in 4 low increase horse power? Cost ?
More torque
I would say this should be considered new versus newer. Old versus new would be more like a cj versus a JL.
Just more money and problems with that air suspension
If done right it's simpler and cheeper. Like in semi trucks.
Fantastic! But I can't afford it.
Maybe I’ll old school, but road / towing applications this is perfect. For true off roading / crawling I don’t think it replaces coils / coil overs. Might be a good option for someone who has the money but is 99% on pavement. Also knowing that this company is making its rounds to popular TH-cam channels and loaning them the Jeep still makes me wonder.
Was there gunshots at 12:33?
I like supplemental airbags, but not air suspension.
Always stay unlocked until needed, then unlock. However, disconnecting the sway bar before starting off-road to keep all tires on the ground really helps.
Effective system but complex moving parts and seems less durable, which it costs extra. Not worth it, but it makes things easier.
It would take a lot for me to ever trust all the airlines, compressor, electronics, etc to not fail me and leave me stranded.
Amazed over the fact that it still had great articulation on air-suspension :o
That was the first thought I had when he went over that first obstacle. I’m sure he had his sway bar disconnected which helped.
If they enable the cross link valve it can push the air from one side to another for even more articulation
If done right it has better articulation than springs. And don't forget variable bag presure for different loads....
Booyah 👊🏽 😁👍🏽🇺🇸
What happened to Tommy’s red Willy’s Jeep ?
The irony, the air system is actually older tech lol
This would e great with a truck camper
Would rather have a TeraFlex or Carli suspension on the JK or the JL. Suspensions Aside.........I have a JK Rubicon Hard Rock in the Tank color. It will never be sold. When the Pentastar 3.6L V6 bites the dust....the JK is going to get a GM LS or LT 5.3L, 6.0L or 6.2L V8 with 6L80E transmission.....much better set up than a big Hemi which has very poor air circulation due to the small engine bay. LS Wrangler in Las Vegas Nevada has done numerous conversions. I will do my own to LS Wrangler standards. LS Wrangler has better GM engine swaps in Jeeps compared to RPM Extreme in Alabama or Bruiser in Florida.
Air suspension off road is really, really cool until it fails and leaves you stranded.
The bags aren’t gonna fail. They’re the same thickness as those on a dumper.
You could blow a line but thats a 10 minute fix. If you lost the compressor, a spare unit would remedy that. No real answer for the controller but its solid state and fused so shouldn’t pose any real threat in terms of reliability
sway bar is connected on that jk
Id get one of those wranglers for me. But, I really would also like a hunting rig. Not sure if I should toss a deer into the cargo of a wrangler
My gladiator handles an elk just fine.
sway bar disconnect its a Ruby
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great segment. i loved my jeeps. I've had TJ, JK, JL, and a JT. i traded the JT for my 2022 Ram Rebel Echo-diesel that has an air suspension. i really like it. i just wish it would go to exit mode faster. it seems to take quite a while..... someone is out exercising their second amendment rights.....lol
Probably, way undersized air compressor setup. Without proper air supply it's useless. With correct air compressor/tank it can even compensate for leak in the system and help with tire inflation.
@@zelenizub2036 well, thats what RAM puts into it from factory order. so, I'm hoping nothing goes wrong with it.
The JL isn't all new if that air suspension has been around since the 90s
Where is tfl's original four lately
Accuair is trying hard to sell these right now. Gave a setup to Wayalife too. Reviews seem a little biased as a result.
Nice video but it almost seems to border on infomercial.
There is soooo much more to a lift then just the “lift”. It’s a neat trick, but no replacement for a good quality product (lift kit)
They actually give you all the parts.
@@KTMcaptain sure, but the suspension geometry goes out the window on the low/high setting. There is a reason control arms are specific lengths when a lift is added.
@@offgridrecon yeah, and it rides at a more consistent level since it corrects for weight. It only allows you to ride low or maxed under 25mph then goes to the correct setting. Also, running a lower height gives a better castor angle so as long as the pinion angle isn’t bad (which doesn’t matter in 2wd) it’s fine. Running at 6” is a bad idea.
amazing. Point me to the bolt on lift that maintains perfect geometry as it cycles
@@mattbrew11 bolt on lifts don’t maintain geometry as they cycle, but they also don’t run at 3 different levels either,… 🤦🏻♂️
Air riders cool but Dodge and Jeep have had horrendous problems with their air ride
ORI struts makes better sense
I must say the new Jeeps are making me want to find an old one. Seems the latest ones coming out have a lot of quality issues???
i have a xj jeep and jk wrangler, i would say you are right, new jeeps have more issues, my jk 2011 had an issue with a sensor and it was hard to find.. i dont want to think in a new jeep
Ok so who brought the GR Supra water bottle?
You guys should have included a true older Jeep and threw in a 2 door TJ as well. Old vs new. 2 door vs 4 door.
That would have been fun but redundant considering the TJ still uses the same coil spring setup.
@@backwoodstherapy Technically that is true however as someone that owns a TJ while owning a JL and now JT I can tell you they do not drive/ride nor behave the same off road. Not to mention the size and many other differences in a comparison of a 2 door TJ to the JL 2 or 4 door. All completely different vehicles even with all having coil springs.
I would not have any air ride suspension. They're junk and they leak and they have problems and they don't ride well.
I'd get the cheapest Jeep like Tommy's around $35k and add this which will make it an insensible $42 grand Jeep.
it’s a ~$7,000 option!!
But it does come with a $1000 air compressor that near every jeep should have and saves on steps. Theres a bunch of aftermarket lifts for $3-$5500
If it has the 4.0 engine I will take it
I don’t think so i believe they have a 3.6
Man i literally have 1977 lada niva 4x4 2121#3 and can beat both of jeeps lol
It's a great vehicle, but you can't.
@@zelenizub2036 yeah i can cuz manuals better
The guy driving the JK knows nothing about jeeps. That Course doesn’t need lockers at all.
2 vehicles that suck on the street
Would you also complain that a fish isn’t good at riding a bicycle?
This was rough to watch, didn’t finish it. Didn’t disconnect the green Jeeps sway bar, but yet turned on all the lockers for a very simple obstacle. And didn’t air down at all, just blamed the shocks for the ride quality in baseball sized rocks. This was just a accuair commercial basically. Which to me, changing ride heights all the time, but doesn’t account for what the track bar and drag link is doing in those changes in height, no thanks.
offroad jeeps are better with less tech and rustic
I wanna see what it’s limitations are and other benefits for the price. AccuAir did the same with another YT channel. After install & other requirements it could be close to $10k.
7k plus install which is like 16-18 hours. Times that by most shops hourly rate. Yikes!!!
I hear the 2nd Amendment in action! Awesome
Not that much of it is left in Colorado.🙁
Roadside hold up!😄
@@zelenizub2036 west coast idiots have invaded Colorado
So am curious, is the Accuair only specifically designed for Jeep? Bc I would buy a P38, only RangeRover I ever ❤ again. If I could have that air suspension! Vitesse Yellow or a Callaway w/LS swap now that you can, a proper Callaway! Not just a badge. Back to the suspension tho ? & if ONLY Jeep, can it be on a 2door? Id only get 1 if it were Digital Pink Camo 2 door plates: Butch so I can go to the parade, flying my 🏳️🌈Flag high 😂
Last 15 secs Only Jeep, so foes it HAVE to be the "family Van" type Jeep the 4 door😂