I've been hoping to see some innovation in the smaller wheel space. That makes it easier for new riders to get into, for one thing, and opens up different ways to ride. I want to see a small lightweight precision wheel that promotes technical riding over just speed. imagine a wheel that is made for skate parks.
honestly feel the same way. i love my MCM5v2 for trips under 2 miles from my house. It's fast enough and doesn't get in the way at the dentist's office or getting groceries/food. I also don't feel the need to put on full on motorcycle gear when taking it out since I'm not going as fast. I'm beginning to feel that regular 50kph+ speeds might be better done on e-bikes with their better stability and braking performance. I've seen the EUC vs e-bikes braking tests and its an eye-opener how much more distance the EUCs need to slow down from high speeds.
I love the size range of where EUCs have gone. I’m 6’2 250lbs athlete. Having the master pro is god sent because it doesn’t feel like a toy and I know my size won’t break it easily. I would over torque my RSHT and v11 without even trying. I’m happy they make wheels for pple of all sizes
I don't have a wheel yet but I'm also 6' 2" & 265lbs (not athletic 😂) and 99% of wheels seem too small & underpowered for me. The monster/master pro & V13 seem to be the only wheels built for my size.
@@joshuajones6113 haha, the tech seems to be moving fast. I only discovered EUC's a few months ago but I really want one as I only commute 10 minutes to work. Working on losing weight but I still want a solid suspension wheel for my knees
First of all dont feel bad about speaking freely about this subject. You just said everything I personally hated about new EUCs and the direction they were/are going. Thank you Adam for speaking for any EUC rider that agrees ( me included ) about this. This is crucial and deserves alot of respect as you are risking it all for our safety and future of the EUCs. You certainly are one of the best and sincerest youtubers out there. My respect to you sir ! And godspeed ! ❤
3:10 I agree the prices are out of control. I recognize the newest EUCs are more powerful, more sophisticated, have extra components (suspension), huge batteries, but I am seriously doubting whether I want to spend $4-5,000 USD for a wheel. Even though I love EUCs, I can use $4-5,000 much more beneficially for other things! I'm currently riding a MSX and 18XL. These are several generations old, but I am very happy with them! I paid about $1,800 USD for these wheels when new, and that was very difficult! I think it's great that EUCs have advanced greatly since the period of the MSX and 18XL, but my older, simpler wheels meet my needs fine! I believe there are many customers for a simpler, more economical wheel. EUCs are so expensive now that people who would like to join the world of wheeling cannot because of the cost barrier.
Motorcycle foot pegs are also foldable. It actually makes sense for durability specially during a crash. If the foot pedals are fixed in place, they will snap off instead of just getting folded.
Adam, you just went for my favorite EUC TH-camr to someone I truly love and respect. I've been waiting for someone to make a video like this for years. Agree with absolutely everything you just said, and couldn't have said it better. Thank you kind sir 🙏.. Hope you have a great weekend : )
Madpak (Marcus?) made a video complaining (and I don't mean that in a bad way) that wheels have gotten too big a short while ago as well. I agreed with him then and with Adam now.
Often it's hard for Companies to remember Entry level is needed, because once you've got your beginner unit usually people want to upgrade to something bigger/better/faster/stronger. So companies want to chase the current user, forgetting to attract new users.
And since current beginner wheels cost 2 grand, first time riders want to spend 4 grand on a wheel they will grow into, and increase the danger of getting hurt.
The margins in the new wheels are ridiculously high. For the same effort it takes them to make 1 v13 they'd at best get 1-1.5 16Xs while the 16X will have a margin of ~500$ the v13 will have a margin of 2000-3000$. Obviously the numbers are illustrative, but that's the gist of it. They need to somehow justify the price hikes so they make bigger, heavier and constantly faster wheels while the manufacturing costs will stay relatively similar.
The essence of the EUCs was diverted and became a one-wheel/ motorcycle: heavy, uncomfortable and cumbersome. Give us powerful and light wheels. Gracias por los subtitles
A niche thing I want EUC manufacturers to figure out is how to dismount and disengage/park a wheel hands-free. I use my mten4 to carry trash out at my workplace, and I tilt it until the cutoff angle to lay it on its side when I stop. I would hope they can innovate something for this scenario.
Spot on! 24kg max, 50km/h max, high torque, 16"-ish wheel for agility, flat sides, strong rim. 16x fits the bill quite nicely, apart from the rim that is way to soft, so keep the tire pumped. The v12 HT that I bought 2 years later has a few improvements over that with a stronger rim and bit more headroom in speed and high end torque, but is also noticeably heavier at 29kg. And both are sub 2000euro. That 's how it should be. The manufacturers should build on existing products, like you said: Stop designing a completely new wheel every 6 months. Or at least keep the designs that work and improve on those.
Agree 💯. Unfortunately the chinese manufacturers are interested only in grabbing more money, hence the trend of bigger and faster, disregarding waterproofing, quality, safety and maintenance.
Just cause my Corvette goes 200mph doesn't mean I have too, sometimes it's needed to have a little power to move away from a potential danger situation 😊 give it a few years & the tech in the V13 will be inside a v12 package
Innovations I would like: - black box (like in planes) - transparency about firmware versions - transparency about known issues (hardware and software) - buzzer audible in all conditions - possiblity to plug one more battery or bigger one when I need (plug and play) - Standard charge port - Conception allowing you to change / repair tire easily - an adaptative tiltback taking into account battery level as a standard
Market and riders are deciding in the end what they want, when push buy button. I agree on safety part, wheels should be safer and not cut off. 👍 for video.
Why do people keep complaining about weight and charger size? Physics is physics. Take a class. Talk to an electrical engineer. This video takes it even further into paradoxical wishing. "Please make EUCs lighter, but also include built-in chargers." Come on, man. You can't demand the impossible. Well, you can...
I've been thinking this too - well articulated - my hope is Inmotion takes the safety and modularity of the V13 design and re-apply's it to smaller, lighter, ideally, cheaper wheels, so a new V8S / V10 / V11 / V12 using the newer reliable components. Although - I believe the V13 has had some bolt issues already?
When talking about the 16x, I think its totally fine to have an older wheel. We know it works and is reliable. If they keep supporting it to current year then Id much rather buy that over something that just came out and I have no idea how it will do over time.
I've been riding 16X 3 years now, I always push it to 30 mph and cruise all day, never any issues it just keeps going and going.. plenty of times that I wish it would go faster but I also have a street motorcycle 😅
I keep saying this. Kingsong should just make a 100v 16X with a bit bigger battery and I reckon they would sell a lot of those. Or a 100v 16X with suspension would be sick too!
No. If you add suspensions, you increase weight, you want also more battery, you arrive at 32kg T4 mark, the comparison with 16X is lost, meaningless. Maybe a 26kg 16X, with 50km/h real speed and a bit more battery is doable.
Suspension is not a “most”, not even a must. Before these suspensions fans find out what an EUC is, people were riding all over the places suspensless EUCs with no problems. Just treat your arthritis, old bitches who don’t want to argue.
Agreed - I live in a big city, and the KS16X has been perfect for me. I have little desire to buy any of the new fast fad wheels. Just want something practical, safe, and dependable (good battery, quality build, etc..)
Nice to see some love for the 16x again… I love mine but just replaced the inner and outer shells as well as the trolley handle, the top cover, charge ports , rear fender and front light… when I opened the wheel the motherboard was literally covered in dust,… I love this wheel i do but it is literally made of the cheapest crap, broken loose, sheared, rusted and chewed up screws… if I had the money I’d get a bunch of top riders together and design the safe, capable, bullet proof and fun wheel we all know is possible… Thanks Adam 🥰
imo the first and foremost thing they need to market is affordable transportation, it's amazing to be able to use it as I would a bike, but much more fun, much faster, and I can just plug it in at the end of the day, not a worry in the world about gas or storing it anywhere. a smaller wheel that people can use like a v5f or v8s are the perfect wheels to exemplify it, but they don't really try to make wheels like them anymore Also: if I ever recommend a wheel to anyone it's a v5f, the range is great for the price, you can usually find one near $300-400 and is a great little vehicle to get around. it frustrates me to no end that people discourage getting affordable wheels because "you're gonna upgrade eventually cause that's too slow for me."
The main problem for me: the wheel needs removing from time to time. Bearings, tyres, etc need servicing. Most wheels are assembled around the wheel and taking the wheel out is a couple of days work - at least for me. Bikes and motorcycles are completely accessible. Some bikes even have quick release systems. If a wheel comes to the market with a quick release wheel, it could dominate easily. Veteran Sold me an Abrams and I like it just fine, but its all I know. Its been off the road for 2 weeks now as I wait to buy correct tools, silicone, tape and all the other stuff to re-waterproof.
Unfortunately the infrastructure where I am, I need 60kmh wheels minimum. Bike lanes here are non existent and most of my close calls with cars have been in the bike lane where cars dont notice me coming. Even when I am on a underpowered onewheel going 25kmh or less. This forces me to take the road and try to keep up with cars. I think its the same case with many places in the US where bicycle infrastructure just isnt enough. Price I agree with. These wheels are just getting more and more expensive and I dont see where our money is going towards. We still have cheap cast parts on our wheels yet we are paying thousands and sometimes even motorcycle prices which blow EUC quality out of the water. At these insanely high prices, everything we should be getting should be cnc, high quality and well designed. EUC manufacturers get away with giving us crap and still charging what they charge for some reason
Yeah, for me, an important criteria to buy a wheel is the possibility to carry it with one hand. I have stairs to go up and down, doors to open, and often a bag in my other hand. So those big wheels just don't interest me. And I'm mostly riding in town, so quick stop, start and turns are essential.
Why can't we have a modular wheel, add in additional batteries if you want to go on a cruise, or quick swap with fresh ones. - even accessories like plug in Bluetooth if you want that or not. - I find it strange (new rider tho) how mechanical unicycles all have seats, but these electric ones you need to stand or contort down to a squat - how about a seat option or add on - i like the LED lights for additional visibility at night - be nice if there was gps tracking or security features - i like all the other things you said too. Safety, torque, waterproof, better chargers & built in, quality materials. Cost lower. Good customer support.
Hi, Adam! Thanks for the great video, exactly the same thoughts. I'v just bought second hand 16x from the local rider (instead of my 18L) and... I am just happy! It is so nimble, it has so great acceleration, it does not require to lean hard on it, and it has outstanding range for its weight - I did 76 km with 69V remaining. And the most important thing is the way I FEEEL it - its just magnificent!!! After 500km it became a part of me, not a "machine, I am riding". I had that feeling on Ninebot E+, but near lost it on 18L, and now I have everything I want on 16X. KS could improve that wheel (better plastic, 100V, etc) but....
totally agree, i would preferred a smaller lighter wheel so that i can carry it with me to go into the mass transit. Safer and better battery quality so it will have zero risk the wheel will start to catch fire inside a train.
The worst thing are all the new trolley handles. The only good trolley was on 16x and 18XL. A trolley that is high enough and sits in center of gravity.
great, you summed it all up. I preferred the time of the beginning, when inmotion worked with new walking, that was the spirit of the wheeler in super pedestrian mode. Rides with your nose in the wind at 20-40 km/h in a t-shirt and small light helmet instead of wearing motorcycle gear, glove jacket, full-face helmet, etc.... soon so much torque that there will be possible to mount vertical at 90 ° .... only on paper, but some will still buy lol. good ride for all readers
5:50. Interestingly enough, I've found that going from a Sherman V2 to an S makes me a more-friendly rider. Granted, I've had more time to innovate how I can ride more safely and be seen more by pedestrians. However, the riding characteristics of the S make me plan more, and the suspension doesn't make me as fatigued which allows me more energy to be courteous. I can't forget though, that I'm frequently aware of safely threats, like adults letting their toddlers run into bike lanes. I watched a bicyclist make an emergency stop to avoid running over a runaway toddler. With experiences like that, I'm a much more cautious rider... I might try to ride my V2 just to see if I'm even more careful on it now than before I got the S. Also, I frequently appreciate the 22" wheels being present for taller and bigger riders. After seeing a Master Pro in person the other day, I can confidently say 20" is perfect for me. Asking that same line of thinking, I agree that we need more modern tiny wheels. I think a max of 32mph would be nice because I've met beginners on 16S's that say they've cut out. If we need the overhead, but we need responsible speeds, then we need more customizeability in our tilt-back speel limits. The Shermans' could use a setting between 36mph and, what was it, 168mph?
Yeah I wish I could customize my alarms and tilt-back for the S using EUC World. I've caught myself going faster than I would really like without realizing it a few times. I'm personally most comfortable riding between 35 and 40mph with an alarm and tilt-back set slightly higher than that for some headroom.
@@wesleyson21 Same! For a while I had my Sherman's alarm set to 34mph with tilt back at 36mph, but now that I have motorcycle great I want to up the limit to 40. Not possible without having an app and a Bluetooth speaker running. Now my alarm is set 36mph and my tilt back set to 168mph.... I have probably gone 40 by now, but I don't like that I'm technically "riding the beeps." what if I don't notice them changing and I cut out?
The V13 pedals (at least the ones that come with my wheel) do have screw in studs. I think maybe some of the demo wheels had molded studs, but they fixed it.
I think your points were really relevant, and I felt well represented by several of them. Some of them I even consider more affected for markets like here in Brazil. Congrats on the video!
Awesome video. I think manufacturers do listen to you. My Master v2 has cold charge ports. They change it the plastic battery case for metal cases. Now they have the next model Extreme with, smaller wheel, waterproofing and Bluetooth... Keep making the videos brother!
Well Said! I want to find a way to stagger the pedal height when you turn. IE when turning your outside pedal would drop down, and the inside pedal could go up. This would help tire grip and allow for a lower center of gravity in while turning. This could also be integrated into the tilt angle sensor and prevent high angle cutouts from happening on things like high angle burm turns or wallrides!
@@mr_wrongway you tested some tilting trikes years ago with similar front suspension and I think Yamaha and Nissan also made prototypes so I think it could be done mechanically but beyond my skill set. You seem to have innovative friends....
No, I disagree. Safety is an attitude, not a hardware limitation. Lots of cars are capable of going 150-200 mph even while the national top speed limit is 70 mph. A device designed to achieve high speed will be SAFER at lower speeds. It's up to the rider whether they want to ride safe or risky. And sometimes you might need that speed to get out of a "sticky situation".
Yea you can cause a bad accident at any speed. Offering a variety of wheels that do different things for different riders should be a priority with safety in mind… if a wheel of a certain size or range or speed doesn’t appeal to you then DONT BUY IT and find something for your use case ….
The issue isn't really the capability of speed but rather that manufacturers are sacrificing other valuable features in favor of higher top speed as it's effective for marketing. High top speed is dumb when you barely have the torque to reach it imo.
When buying an airwheel, is the highest wh on the battery always the best? I could choose between 130wh, 170wh and 340wh with the airwheel Q3. I would guess that the higher wh the better, but the 130wh is the most expensive one while the other ones cost the same.
You told it so well ! .. couple of weeks ago I bought used KS 16XS and it seems it make a huge amount of happiness to me as a wheel to a city .. even if I had an S22 as a perfect wheel to a woods and trails . .It's obvious , that every situation needs another type of wheel , but producers are like from fashion business.. "now it is THIS trendy ! "
@@Wheel_fast_euc_rider Nobody gives a damn about what you have (presuming that you’re not a liar). You are not representative for the majority of riders who just want a good, waterproofed, not heavy wheel for commuting, not show off, or long country rides.
Time for Adam to move on to electric wheeled shoes . But yea, I agree, all it takes is one high speed euc crash into a pedestrian that will cause the regulators to come down hard on all eucs
I'm currently struggling to find a replacement for my oldie 18xl. Theres just nothing out there with a similar size that would perform similar or better and would be reliable
Thank you so much for addressing these issues! It seems that whenever I join EUC communities people seem to be only interested in talking about the specs and performance and less about the practicality. The way I pitch it to my friends is always as a great alternative to biking to get around a city and not an all-terrain vehicle for trails or a long range commuter.
sure its nice to get some big and fast wheels but that should not be 100% of the wheels that come out and personally i would love to see inmotion make a wheel that has the rs19 form factor, raptor controller, 126 volt, 2000wh, 18-20 inch tire, smart bms, 2500w-3500w motor and 60-75kph max speed (that's my dream wheel)
50 km range, 40 km/h max speed, suspension, 120 kg carrying capacity, and as small and light as it gets with those parameters, so I can easily bring it on a train or whereever. Basically a V10f with suspension, thank you very much.
*hello Adam you're absolutely right you have a great experience of eucs and it's getting crazy new eucs always the race for speed at the expense of our safety I have a 16x and I think it's great thank you for the good advice that you send us Cdlm*
Yes!! In Norway you cannot get insurance for any EUC that goes faster than 20 kmh, and insurance is mandatory. You also cannot get insurance if you can adjust the speed limit yourself in the app. So what EUC can you then purchase here in Norway if you want a new one?
What would be the ideal build if you were to take how a piece of technology was deployed across all brands? Like the V13 front lights, the V11 tail lights, with Veteran S suspension system, with Kingsong trolley, Patton kickstand, motor of a Patton (?), etc., etc.. BTW, nice video, very valid points.
Back when I was in the Navy, half a century ago, the shipboard firefighting gear was interesting. On the flight deck and the hanger deck they had a mix of both 38 and 63 mm hoses. The larger hoses had high flow nozzles and were used by up to 4 man hose crews. Below decks, it was almost always 38 mm hoses with nozzles limited to 360 liters/min at 7 Bar.( 1.5 in hose flowing 95 gpm at 100 psi ). The nozzle reaction was 60 lbs of thrust (267 Newtons) which was all a single able bodied seaman could handle in confined spaces while also pulling the hose around obstacles. Sure, you can lift a hundred pound sack into a van at the big box store, but that is weight lifting, not endurance. The Navy had lots of experience with shipboard fires and this is what someone can handle when alone at the end of a fire hose and still be standing an hour later. I have a Mcm5 and a Nikola, both are nice machines and they fall below that weight limit as does the S18 and V11. Both of those suspension wheels sacrifice range to maintain a decent weight. So, what are the bigger wheels good for? My answer is group rides. You really don't want to get in trouble on a big wheel when you are alone.
I started riding at the beginning of October 2022, and have started off a complete beginner with a Begode Master. So far, I have been very lucky in my experience with the wheel, and though i've cracked the tinted tail-light cover, and "naturally" scraped up the bottom of my petals a bit in my journey of learning, I will say that my Batch/Version 3 wheel has stayed in pretty good shape, and hasn't had any serious issues, as of yet. I hope it stays this way, but I also understand that making sure to avoid water, and to keep the wheel maintained is key, as with any vehicle. When it comes to the quality, and the direction that EUCs companies are going, I dont think that wheels should go really go beyond 60mph...60's still a bit too fast, in my honest opinion. I still havent gotten beyond 35mph on my Begode Master yet, because I want to fully understand the threshold to begin letting up on the wheel, if there's a dip in voltage/power that's needed at those higher speeds/higher strain on the wheel, so I can mitigate cut-outs to the best of my ability. I honestly don't believe companies will be able to justify creating wheels that could go any faster than this--at least until they can realistically get to a point where safety, weight, durability, and other important factors I believe as we get to this point of 55-60mph, the companies should start letting off of the "race for the fastest wheel", and start focusing on the things that they should've focused on before speed--higher quality parts, durability, reliable waterproofing/avoiding the use of glue/silicone paste-seals (seals like this should be secondary form of reinforcement, not the primary means of sealing up areas that ould easily compromise the entire device/be a cause for serious danger to the rider & others by means of sudden catastrophic electrical failure while riding, or fire, if water is introduced) , creating ease in basic maintenance, repair & upgrading/tire changes, charging innovations, torque & handling innovations, higher-quality BMS, safer tiltback/cut-out prevention warnings/alerts, and lessening the possibility of cut-outs. Though a lot of this has already been touched upon by Adam in this video, I figured I'd point out some of the things that came to mind for me that I didn't happen hear, or go deeper into those same topics from my own viewpoint. Another thing that was mentioned in the video, is quality Customer Support & parts availability. These will help in maintaining the longevity of wheels (of course, I'm sure many companies want people to eventually stop fixing/updating their wheels so they can get another sale out of them, but that's a scummy way of looking at things--it shows lack of quality in the product's longevity/serviceability, and though the day will inevitably come when a new wheel will be needed, it should be because the rider wants to have an updated model--not because it's impossible to get a wheel running via replacing key components. Another thing this would (hopefully) do, is assist in making parts not only easier to access, but cheaper. I am sure that I missed a few things myself, but I will say, that in my opinion--it does look like companies are beginning to somewhat take these concepts & ideas to heart, and are beginning to lean into the aspects of smarter (hopefully safer) BMS's/motherboards (s19 immediately comes to mind--so does the Begode Master & it's Dynamic tiltback which I just found out about today, so I *don't* have personal experience to back that up) , more durable shells (v13, sherman S, Veteran patton, and metal "bumpers", that double as multi-use contact points/roll-cages/handles/etc & metal battery-packs, as seen on the EX30, and supposedly on the newer versions of the Master), and the (alleged) waterproofing of the Begode A2 (still wouldnt ride it completely submerged, or throw it in a lake like I saw videos of testers doing--it's not a diving watch. The last thing I'd like to add, is that Anyway...That's my two cents about where we currently are seeing right now in the EUC world, and what we will hopefully see in the future.
There should be named , expressed and ephesised cathegories for wheels weight wise. For expample: Wheels up to 20kg light wheels, then 20-35kg heavy wheels, 35 kg and above super heavy. It would improve competition within category.Personally i am looking forward for light wheels. I dont find usefull to strougle with more then 20kg to go for 30 min daily ride to the boulvard. Sorry for spelling it is almost midnight😅
I like the V13. But I wouldn't feel safe on the highway. I hope they can increase the speed so it can keep up with the cars. Maybe a little headroom to 140 kmh. For the people who are scared there should be low speed wheels. But there is much innovation possible. What we need there is geared motors. Maybe a planetary hub gear, of a belt driven system. Maybe even a 2/3 geer selector. Then we need the battery packs in such a way that there can be huge currents delivered. All in all it would give extreme acceleration and climbing ability, all while keeping the weight low. Because E-motors like high rpms. So that's were the industry needs to go.
I am looking to get my first wheel (something to stick with fire some time) but I am stuck with pretty much everything you mentioned... Most wheels are really expensive and heavy, or if they're smaller they're a lot older and barebones. Currently I am between the KS 16S and the 14D but I wish there was something newer. I was also suggested the mcm5v2 but I'm not really feeling it, primarily fearful of quality
My first wheel is the 16x. I love it! It's a nice sized wheel for the road and off-road. I'm fairly light, so if you're a lighter rider, you might have a similar experience. I recently bought the T4 (as an off-road wheel, but is good for pavement too). It's a fun ride, but I like being closer to the ground for more control and stability. Granted, both have their perks and are both fun to ride, if you're looking for a first wheel, you can't go wrong with the 16x. Plus it's not that heavy that you'll break your back carrying.
First off, love your content and respect what you do and what you stand for! Here are my opinions in regards to EUCs... Safety should be priority #1, always! Everyone has their own stance in regards to what they want from an EUC, and I think that should be respected. This, I think that there should be wheels made for different categories. Beginner wheels - something small and lightweight, low speed, low cost, etc Commuter wheels - capable of high speed, but limited to 45mph (usual main street speed limit) plenty of battery life, suspension, enough torque for all the weight. Small city wheel/easy transport - something on the lighter side, nimble, good trolly handle, flip up pedals, etc.and a speed of either 25 - 35 mph depending where you ride. Offroading/trail wheel/dual sport - fixed pedals, plenty of torque, light enough and nimble, with suspension and enough battery life. Sports wheels - designed for racing, etc. High speed and plenty of torque. Enough battery for the sport, but not too much that it becomes more of a commuter. Nice and stable These would be ideal categories IMO, assuming each thing can be achieved with current technology. Unfortunately, not every box can be checked due to battery performance and weight of current tech. These would also imply that some sort of regulation would be needed to make sure wheels are used for their intended purpose, like we do with cars. I also want to add, I agree with basically everything you've said but in certain circumstances, such as fixed pedals. They would be good for certain things but also hinder you from the portability factor (needing to fit through a tight spot) integrated charger would be amazing, but also contradicts the idea of as low weight and size as possible. Etc. Etc. There's so much to talk about within this subject, and there's lots that needs to be done by manufacturers. But I'll sum up by saying that there needs to be categories, not wheels that try to do everything and fail at most (jack of all trades, master of none) And that safety needs to be the number one priority!
I hope you didn't get too much hate comments about your rant on speed.. I am TOTALLY with you. I too did try to comment on how people ride too fast in some local groups and I got just crushed with bad comments.. glad you advocate for it. Thanks
I think a smart BMS will be good for the resale market. These wheels drop like rocks in value. If you go see a used wheel with a smart BMS ask the guy to charge it to full then you can check on the batteries. I did that with a used S19 I bought.
Oh yeah. Speed is frakking dangerous. Give me a backpack-sized EUC capable of cruising at 20 km/h for 10 km with 100 kg load! And from a trusted manufacturer. Where is my mten3 from InMotion / Ninebot?!
I've had everything from the KS14 to the Master: MSX, sherman Max, V12, Nikola, MCM5... And the KS16x. It is still the best package, compact, powerful enough, light, good trolley and anti spin detection. I would have liked if it could really cruise at 50km/h with headroom, and I might have kept it...
Vero good content and i think one of these Companies shouldn hire YOU, because you got really good skills when comes to euc knowledge ….thanks for info…🎩
Hi Adam I think you made a lot of good and valid points here. Some contradictory but the purpose is correct. I think one thing you touched on but didn’t talked about enough, which in my opinion leads to most of these issues, is the rat race from all companies to see who can put the newest wheel out. Almost all the issues with QC and repair ability would be fixed if manufactures took 6 more months to a year of testing and development. But becuase it’s a rat race with the 4 big company’s to get the newest fastest longest range suspension wheel out, they just keep dumping out products that arent properly tested and pushed out in a hurry in order to get the upper hand/market share.
Hi Adam have alway loved the videos you put out, I bought my v11 partly because of your reviews and videos and I agree with the people who say it is a good all around wheel. I also agree that the manufacturers need to keep making the lighter euc’s for those who need them. And I would love to see and integrated charger but that will add more weight to the wheel and to decrease weight they would have to make smaller batteries so you loose range and power also to make the materials stronger you also will gain weight, stronger more dense material is heavier it is a balancing act ( and of corse cost can’t forget that). To make a 134.4 volt battery using the cells they use 21700 lithium you need 32 cell that only gives you about 5100 mAh and then stack more of those together to get another 5100. ( I’m and electrician by the way) and though I still think we need the lighter wheel I don’t think we can stop pushing limits because that helps to push innovation and provide us with lighter stronger more affordable materials. Sorry for the long winded post. Keep up the great videos you have helped so many getting into this field including my self.
Riding these machines is still a very niche thing,still in its infancy in reality.I think manufacturers are catering for those already established in the hobby as there are not huge amounts of newcomers coming through at the moment.Maybe if euc's were more widely accepted by governments/councils etc there would be more people encouraged to give them a go rarther than worrying about some jobsworth copper fining you for riding them.If this were the case i think more people would think about taking up the hobby giving manufacturers a much better opportunity to provide a broader range of models to cater for beginners,people who want a wheel for short commutes,people who want a cheaper wheel for shorter rides etc,etc.There needs to be a much wider acceptance of these wheels by authorities which would open this hobby up to levels where manufacturers can spend money on developing a much wider range of wheels.Jusy my opinion.
try creating your own Perfect Wheel with all the shortcomings that you mentioned fixed, improvements applied, wheel that is durable, prioritizes torque, safety and can safely cruise at 50km/h. On paper or 3D model with technical details listed.
I recently saw a EUC in my city and was in awe, started researching and considering getting one. So if your list of top EUCs to buy is outdated, could you update it please. Also, this video really explained ups and downs of EUCs very nicely, but i feel like i need more help with choosing an entry level EUC, i'm not interested in going for high speed on motorway.
Don't have a wheel - never had or ridden a wheel but love your channel and 100% agree with what you say. Here in the UK they are always looking to ban things for "safety" reasons and fast as you point out = more dangerous ..... But I have aquired a pedal unicycle 🦄 🚲. I'll let you know how I get on but think I have already stopped any chance of having future children xD
Excellent vid ! I agree that companies should keep the features that motivated people to buy EUC's in the first place such as portability , form factor and nimbleness and breaking. Sometimes what people think of upgrades are actually downgrades and unfortunately people do not see this.
Fast is only 1 way to get your kicks! Relaxed and slow carving or tricky forest riding can be as dopamine rich You do not even have to jump to reach Nirvana;-)
Need modularity so it can be easily configured with different batteries and motors. Can buy that big expensive battery down the line after you learn on the smaller cheaper lighter one.
Other thing! For safety I want to use a dash cam. Should be easy to use, small, for everyday commuting even in the cold or in rain. Easy to mount, e. g. on my helmet. Any recommendations for cams or links for reviews? Thank you!
You're right, but I think the V13 had to happen. Too much talk last year about InMotion falling behind. But I don't think this is a direction, more of a peak. I think they are going back to refresh their smaller wheels. I'm excited for the V11... uh, V2.
Great video! All very valid points made and I totally agree. I also do not want to see any faster wheels especially as most countries are still very unaccepting of personal electric vehicles. If wheels are getting faster than cars the chances of EUC's becoming widely accepted would likely not happen and be stuck behind expensive insurances and licenses at the very least. I would rather see more quality of life improvements over additional speed. I usually don't ride faster than 30mph anyway even though my wheel is more than capable.
I think the EUC manufacturers are doing a great job of putting out a lot of choices in a relatively short amount of time, especially compared to the OW manufacturer. However, I’d like to see far better cable management, stupid easy tire changes, real front and back lights (no more LED junk for headlights/taillights), better methods to prevent overleans or high speed cutouts implemented in both hardware and software and of course, lower prices.
I would love to see people join the Esk8 and PEV revolution in EUC's and start Vescifying them, DIY builds and more, I have been struggeling trying to build a EUC in parts hoping to find a "scrapped" EUC because buying spare parts or alike is just partially possible and just going from a hub motor requires alot of work, wish there was just more DIY options especially some VESC builds.
Completely disagree INMOTION have other models to suit your style... The market mostly wanted fast unicycles so that's what they were given its not fair to blame this on the manufacturer. Motorcycles go 300Kmh on the clock it doesn't mean I use it, the pure stability and smooth ride of the V13 wins me everyday over that baby wheel you have, I'm not 70kg I'm a big man and the V13 to me is basically a V12 to you. I believe I could stop quicker than you on a V13 at 50kmh than you could. Weight is also a good thing have you ever tried to race a small 125? This torque thing you have going on isn't real btw the V13 has 300Nm more enough especially with power assist on and this was designed for speed the next wheel I'm told will be different and will cater more to your needs.... The charger is big for longevity small chargers produce heat and die quicker life expectancy of that cheap small charger won't last and it's also not 126v so the transformer etc needs to be bigger as with everything else.
I want a bar under the footplate to mount a small magnet with about 65 lb pull aimed toward the roadway, or a pre-mounted magnet. This is to trip the green-light sensor when there's no car nearby to do this for you.
I've been hoping to see some innovation in the smaller wheel space. That makes it easier for new riders to get into, for one thing, and opens up different ways to ride. I want to see a small lightweight precision wheel that promotes technical riding over just speed. imagine a wheel that is made for skate parks.
honestly feel the same way. i love my MCM5v2 for trips under 2 miles from my house. It's fast enough and doesn't get in the way at the dentist's office or getting groceries/food. I also don't feel the need to put on full on motorcycle gear when taking it out since I'm not going as fast. I'm beginning to feel that regular 50kph+ speeds might be better done on e-bikes with their better stability and braking performance. I've seen the EUC vs e-bikes braking tests and its an eye-opener how much more distance the EUCs need to slow down from high speeds.
I love the size range of where EUCs have gone. I’m 6’2 250lbs athlete. Having the master pro is god sent because it doesn’t feel like a toy and I know my size won’t break it easily. I would over torque my RSHT and v11 without even trying. I’m happy they make wheels for pple of all sizes
6'2 and 250, damn mate you're a complete unit of a man
Exactly!
I don't have a wheel yet but I'm also 6' 2" & 265lbs (not athletic 😂) and 99% of wheels seem too small & underpowered for me. The monster/master pro & V13 seem to be the only wheels built for my size.
Funny...I mentioned newer wheels would be good, and then went on to list a bunch of older models. Oops! But still good options!
@@joshuajones6113 haha, the tech seems to be moving fast. I only discovered EUC's a few months ago but I really want one as I only commute 10 minutes to work. Working on losing weight but I still want a solid suspension wheel for my knees
First of all dont feel bad about speaking freely about this subject. You just said everything I personally hated about new EUCs and the direction they were/are going. Thank you Adam for speaking for any EUC rider that agrees ( me included ) about this. This is crucial and deserves alot of respect as you are risking it all for our safety and future of the EUCs. You certainly are one of the best and sincerest youtubers out there. My respect to you sir ! And godspeed ! ❤
I feel like this man and the community has gone through a full character development arc
Yes, I feel the same. They rode the hype train right off the end of the track.
@begodecrashtestdummy🥹😂😂
yea... part of the reason I got myself into EUCs is their superior portability, unfortunately new wheels are heading in the opposite direction
But they have a little blue one it's very very small
@@flowmaster2010 that's only one...how many other new wheels post 2022 are less then 30kg..except maybe the recent A2.. ..so that's only 2
3:10 I agree the prices are out of control. I recognize the newest EUCs are more powerful, more sophisticated, have extra components (suspension), huge batteries, but I am seriously doubting whether I want to spend $4-5,000 USD for a wheel. Even though I love EUCs, I can use $4-5,000 much more beneficially for other things! I'm currently riding a MSX and 18XL. These are several generations old, but I am very happy with them! I paid about $1,800 USD for these wheels when new, and that was very difficult! I think it's great that EUCs have advanced greatly since the period of the MSX and 18XL, but my older, simpler wheels meet my needs fine! I believe there are many customers for a simpler, more economical wheel. EUCs are so expensive now that people who would like to join the world of wheeling cannot because of the cost barrier.
Absolutely right. Who says otherwise is lying from financial reasons.
Motorcycle foot pegs are also foldable. It actually makes sense for durability specially during a crash. If the foot pedals are fixed in place, they will snap off instead of just getting folded.
Adam, you just went for my favorite EUC TH-camr to someone I truly love and respect. I've been waiting for someone to make a video like this for years. Agree with absolutely everything you just said, and couldn't have said it better. Thank you kind sir 🙏.. Hope you have a great weekend : )
Madpak (Marcus?) made a video complaining (and I don't mean that in a bad way) that wheels have gotten too big a short while ago as well. I agreed with him then and with Adam now.
just another comment here to support your point. And Adam's, of course
@@arevee9429theres plenty of light,small bat, low wh, less refined wheels out there... just go for the 16x
@@hi--tEk I just ordered a 2nd hand 16X and now you're making me feel like a pauper...
@@bigglyguy8429 just sold one lol
Often it's hard for Companies to remember Entry level is needed, because once you've got your beginner unit usually people want to upgrade to something bigger/better/faster/stronger. So companies want to chase the current user, forgetting to attract new users.
It's even more than that. If EUCs are to become popular, they need to be light, cheap and safe. What is happening in the industry is opposite of that.
@@bogucharovy true im starting learning on sherman max, bcs most of beginner wheels are old as fuck and dont look cool or fun
And since current beginner wheels cost 2 grand, first time riders want to spend 4 grand on a wheel they will grow into, and increase the danger of getting hurt.
Exactly....upsell is a thing
The margins in the new wheels are ridiculously high.
For the same effort it takes them to make 1 v13 they'd at best get 1-1.5 16Xs while the 16X will have a margin of ~500$ the v13 will have a margin of 2000-3000$. Obviously the numbers are illustrative, but that's the gist of it.
They need to somehow justify the price hikes so they make bigger, heavier and constantly faster wheels while the manufacturing costs will stay relatively similar.
The essence of the EUCs was diverted and became a one-wheel/ motorcycle: heavy, uncomfortable and cumbersome. Give us powerful and light wheels. Gracias por los subtitles
A niche thing I want EUC manufacturers to figure out is how to dismount and disengage/park a wheel hands-free. I use my mten4 to carry trash out at my workplace, and I tilt it until the cutoff angle to lay it on its side when I stop. I would hope they can innovate something for this scenario.
Spot on! 24kg max, 50km/h max, high torque, 16"-ish wheel for agility, flat sides, strong rim. 16x fits the bill quite nicely, apart from the rim that is way to soft, so keep the tire pumped. The v12 HT that I bought 2 years later has a few improvements over that with a stronger rim and bit more headroom in speed and high end torque, but is also noticeably heavier at 29kg. And both are sub 2000euro. That 's how it should be. The manufacturers should build on existing products, like you said: Stop designing a completely new wheel every 6 months. Or at least keep the designs that work and improve on those.
as we say, no need to invent a bike, when already all invented, just need to make modern design of existing
Agree 💯. Unfortunately the chinese manufacturers are interested only in grabbing more money, hence the trend of bigger and faster, disregarding waterproofing, quality, safety and maintenance.
Thanks for bringing this topics up some1 need to do it
Just cause my Corvette goes 200mph doesn't mean I have too, sometimes it's needed to have a little power to move away from a potential danger situation 😊 give it a few years & the tech in the V13 will be inside a v12 package
Innovations I would like:
- black box (like in planes)
- transparency about firmware versions
- transparency about known issues (hardware and software)
- buzzer audible in all conditions
- possiblity to plug one more battery or bigger one when I need (plug and play)
- Standard charge port
- Conception allowing you to change / repair tire easily
- an adaptative tiltback taking into account battery level as a standard
Market and riders are deciding in the end what they want, when push buy button.
I agree on safety part, wheels should be safer and not cut off.
👍 for video.
Why do people keep complaining about weight and charger size? Physics is physics. Take a class. Talk to an electrical engineer. This video takes it even further into paradoxical wishing. "Please make EUCs lighter, but also include built-in chargers." Come on, man. You can't demand the impossible. Well, you can...
Agree, I like a wheel close to the ground with 20mph and 50 mile range that I can keep and maintain for many years
I've been thinking this too - well articulated - my hope is Inmotion takes the safety and modularity of the V13 design and re-apply's it to smaller, lighter, ideally, cheaper wheels, so a new V8S / V10 / V11 / V12 using the newer reliable components. Although - I believe the V13 has had some bolt issues already?
100% agree. As female rider bigger wheels are impossible to ride. Torque is a must for safety in breaking
Same here. As a female rider, I have my S18 and that’s it. Everything newer is too heavy for me to lift.
Dont get a heavy wheel then ???? Get a mten.....variety is the spice of life. Theres a wheel for everyone
Just buy the ones that you CAN lift. Problem solved. 😅
When talking about the 16x, I think its totally fine to have an older wheel. We know it works and is reliable. If they keep supporting it to current year then Id much rather buy that over something that just came out and I have no idea how it will do over time.
I've been riding 16X 3 years now, I always push it to 30 mph and cruise all day, never any issues it just keeps going and going.. plenty of times that I wish it would go faster but I also have a street motorcycle 😅
I keep saying this. Kingsong should just make a 100v 16X with a bit bigger battery and I reckon they would sell a lot of those.
Or a 100v 16X with suspension would be sick too!
No. If you add suspensions, you increase weight, you want also more battery, you arrive at 32kg T4 mark, the comparison with 16X is lost, meaningless. Maybe a 26kg 16X, with 50km/h real speed and a bit more battery is doable.
Suspension is a most. Nothing to argue here.
Suspension is not a “most”, not even a must. Before these suspensions fans find out what an EUC is, people were riding all over the places suspensless EUCs with no problems. Just treat your arthritis, old bitches who don’t want to argue.
Agreed - I live in a big city, and the KS16X has been perfect for me. I have little desire to buy any of the new fast fad wheels. Just want something practical, safe, and dependable (good battery, quality build, etc..)
Nice to see some love for the 16x again… I love mine but just replaced the inner and outer shells as well as the trolley handle, the top cover, charge ports , rear fender and front light… when I opened the wheel the motherboard was literally covered in dust,… I love this wheel i do but it is literally made of the cheapest crap, broken loose, sheared, rusted and chewed up screws… if I had the money I’d get a bunch of top riders together and design the safe, capable, bullet proof and fun wheel we all know is possible…
Thanks Adam 🥰
imo the first and foremost thing they need to market is affordable transportation, it's amazing to be able to use it as I would a bike, but much more fun, much faster, and I can just plug it in at the end of the day, not a worry in the world about gas or storing it anywhere. a smaller wheel that people can use like a v5f or v8s are the perfect wheels to exemplify it, but they don't really try to make wheels like them anymore
Also: if I ever recommend a wheel to anyone it's a v5f, the range is great for the price, you can usually find one near $300-400 and is a great little vehicle to get around. it frustrates me to no end that people discourage getting affordable wheels because "you're gonna upgrade eventually cause that's too slow for me."
The main problem for me: the wheel needs removing from time to time. Bearings, tyres, etc need servicing. Most wheels are assembled around the wheel and taking the wheel out is a couple of days work - at least for me. Bikes and motorcycles are completely accessible. Some bikes even have quick release systems. If a wheel comes to the market with a quick release wheel, it could dominate easily.
Veteran Sold me an Abrams and I like it just fine, but its all I know. Its been off the road for 2 weeks now as I wait to buy correct tools, silicone, tape and all the other stuff to re-waterproof.
You are the the voice of the discerning EUC rider. Enjoyed the rant!
Unfortunately the infrastructure where I am, I need 60kmh wheels minimum. Bike lanes here are non existent and most of my close calls with cars have been in the bike lane where cars dont notice me coming. Even when I am on a underpowered onewheel going 25kmh or less. This forces me to take the road and try to keep up with cars. I think its the same case with many places in the US where bicycle infrastructure just isnt enough.
Price I agree with. These wheels are just getting more and more expensive and I dont see where our money is going towards. We still have cheap cast parts on our wheels yet we are paying thousands and sometimes even motorcycle prices which blow EUC quality out of the water. At these insanely high prices, everything we should be getting should be cnc, high quality and well designed. EUC manufacturers get away with giving us crap and still charging what they charge for some reason
Yeah, for me, an important criteria to buy a wheel is the possibility to carry it with one hand. I have stairs to go up and down, doors to open, and often a bag in my other hand. So those big wheels just don't interest me. And I'm mostly riding in town, so quick stop, start and turns are essential.
Why can't we have a modular wheel, add in additional batteries if you want to go on a cruise, or quick swap with fresh ones.
- even accessories like plug in Bluetooth if you want that or not.
- I find it strange (new rider tho) how mechanical unicycles all have seats, but these electric ones you need to stand or contort down to a squat - how about a seat option or add on
- i like the LED lights for additional visibility at night
- be nice if there was gps tracking or security features
- i like all the other things you said too. Safety, torque, waterproof, better chargers & built in, quality materials. Cost lower. Good customer support.
Hi, Adam! Thanks for the great video, exactly the same thoughts. I'v just bought second hand 16x from the local rider (instead of my 18L) and... I am just happy! It is so nimble, it has so great acceleration, it does not require to lean hard on it, and it has outstanding range for its weight - I did 76 km with 69V remaining. And the most important thing is the way I FEEEL it - its just magnificent!!! After 500km it became a part of me, not a "machine, I am riding". I had that feeling on Ninebot E+, but near lost it on 18L, and now I have everything I want on 16X. KS could improve that wheel (better plastic, 100V, etc) but....
imo ks16x improved version is v12ht, but we dont have improved 18xl
totally agree, i would preferred a smaller lighter wheel so that i can carry it with me to go into the mass transit. Safer and better battery quality so it will have zero risk the wheel will start to catch fire inside a train.
Can you imagine your EUC catching fire on the subway, then you find you have no insurance for that...?
The worst thing are all the new trolley handles. The only good trolley was on 16x and 18XL. A trolley that is high enough and sits in center of gravity.
great, you summed it all up. I preferred the time of the beginning, when inmotion worked with new walking, that was the spirit of the wheeler in super pedestrian mode. Rides with your nose in the wind at 20-40 km/h in a t-shirt and small light helmet instead of wearing motorcycle gear, glove jacket, full-face helmet, etc.... soon so much torque that there will be possible to mount vertical at 90 ° .... only on paper, but some will still buy lol. good ride for all readers
5:50. Interestingly enough, I've found that going from a Sherman V2 to an S makes me a more-friendly rider. Granted, I've had more time to innovate how I can ride more safely and be seen more by pedestrians. However, the riding characteristics of the S make me plan more, and the suspension doesn't make me as fatigued which allows me more energy to be courteous. I can't forget though, that I'm frequently aware of safely threats, like adults letting their toddlers run into bike lanes. I watched a bicyclist make an emergency stop to avoid running over a runaway toddler. With experiences like that, I'm a much more cautious rider... I might try to ride my V2 just to see if I'm even more careful on it now than before I got the S.
Also, I frequently appreciate the 22" wheels being present for taller and bigger riders. After seeing a Master Pro in person the other day, I can confidently say 20" is perfect for me. Asking that same line of thinking, I agree that we need more modern tiny wheels. I think a max of 32mph would be nice because I've met beginners on 16S's that say they've cut out. If we need the overhead, but we need responsible speeds, then we need more customizeability in our tilt-back speel limits. The Shermans' could use a setting between 36mph and, what was it, 168mph?
Yeah I wish I could customize my alarms and tilt-back for the S using EUC World. I've caught myself going faster than I would really like without realizing it a few times. I'm personally most comfortable riding between 35 and 40mph with an alarm and tilt-back set slightly higher than that for some headroom.
@@wesleyson21 Same! For a while I had my Sherman's alarm set to 34mph with tilt back at 36mph, but now that I have motorcycle great I want to up the limit to 40. Not possible without having an app and a Bluetooth speaker running. Now my alarm is set 36mph and my tilt back set to 168mph.... I have probably gone 40 by now, but I don't like that I'm technically "riding the beeps." what if I don't notice them changing and I cut out?
4:43 new small wheel this year? Maybe I should wait before I pull the trigger then...
The V13 pedals (at least the ones that come with my wheel) do have screw in studs. I think maybe some of the demo wheels had molded studs, but they fixed it.
Mine, (1st batch sent to Australia) has molded studs. It also has a ridiculously high rubber stop causing a painful pressure point on the foot arch.
@@71Dana Yes that rubber stop is annoying. I just remove them.. you just push them out with a screwdriver.
@@SamClegg I'm time poor, & i keep forgetting.
No today though, thanks for the reminder!
You are so very right! Thank you for this video!
I think your points were really relevant, and I felt well represented by several of them. Some of them I even consider more affected for markets like here in Brazil. Congrats on the video!
Excellent points! Lets wait and see s19.
dissapointment
Totally agree! Thank you Adam!
Thank You ! 100% agree ! I hope they listen
Awesome video. I think manufacturers do listen to you. My Master v2 has cold charge ports. They change it the plastic battery case for metal cases. Now they have the next model Extreme with, smaller wheel, waterproofing and Bluetooth... Keep making the videos brother!
Well Said! I want to find a way to stagger the pedal height when you turn. IE when turning your outside pedal would drop down, and the inside pedal could go up. This would help tire grip and allow for a lower center of gravity in while turning. This could also be integrated into the tilt angle sensor and prevent high angle cutouts from happening on things like high angle burm turns or wallrides!
Amazing idea !!!
Hmmm... slalom would be even more like skiing. I like it ... where is my pen and paper
@@mr_wrongway you tested some tilting trikes years ago with similar front suspension and I think Yamaha and Nissan also made prototypes so I think it could be done mechanically but beyond my skill set. You seem to have innovative friends....
Build your own, using VESC
How much current would the 20A charger draw from your sockets though?
No, I disagree. Safety is an attitude, not a hardware limitation. Lots of cars are capable of going 150-200 mph even while the national top speed limit is 70 mph. A device designed to achieve high speed will be SAFER at lower speeds. It's up to the rider whether they want to ride safe or risky. And sometimes you might need that speed to get out of a "sticky situation".
Yea you can cause a bad accident at any speed. Offering a variety of wheels that do different things for different riders should be a priority with safety in mind… if a wheel of a certain size or range or speed doesn’t appeal to you then DONT BUY IT and find something for your use case ….
The issue isn't really the capability of speed but rather that manufacturers are sacrificing other valuable features in favor of higher top speed as it's effective for marketing.
High top speed is dumb when you barely have the torque to reach it imo.
When buying an airwheel, is the highest wh on the battery always the best?
I could choose between 130wh, 170wh and 340wh with the airwheel Q3.
I would guess that the higher wh the better, but the 130wh is the most expensive one
while the other ones cost the same.
You told it so well ! .. couple of weeks ago I bought used KS 16XS and it seems it make a huge amount of happiness to me as a wheel to a city .. even if I had an S22 as a perfect wheel to a woods and trails . .It's obvious , that every situation needs another type of wheel , but producers are like from fashion business.. "now it is THIS trendy ! "
And that's why I now have 8 of them... dammit...
@@Wheel_fast_euc_rider Nobody gives a damn about what you have (presuming that you’re not a liar). You are not representative for the majority of riders who just want a good, waterproofed, not heavy wheel for commuting, not show off, or long country rides.
Time for Adam to move on to electric wheeled shoes .
But yea, I agree, all it takes is one high speed euc crash into a pedestrian that will cause the regulators to come down hard on all eucs
I'm currently struggling to find a replacement for my oldie 18xl.
Theres just nothing out there with a similar size that would perform similar or better and would be reliable
Thank you so much for addressing these issues! It seems that whenever I join EUC communities people seem to be only interested in talking about the specs and performance and less about the practicality. The way I pitch it to my friends is always as a great alternative to biking to get around a city and not an all-terrain vehicle for trails or a long range commuter.
sure its nice to get some big and fast wheels but that should not be 100% of the wheels that come out and personally i would love to see inmotion make a wheel that has the rs19 form factor, raptor controller, 126 volt, 2000wh, 18-20 inch tire, smart bms, 2500w-3500w motor and 60-75kph max speed (that's my dream wheel)
50 km range, 40 km/h max speed, suspension, 120 kg carrying capacity, and as small and light as it gets with those parameters, so I can easily bring it on a train or whereever. Basically a V10f with suspension, thank you very much.
*hello Adam you're absolutely right you have a great experience of eucs and it's getting crazy new eucs always the race for speed at the expense of our safety I have a 16x and I think it's great thank you for the good advice that you send us Cdlm*
Yes!! In Norway you cannot get insurance for any EUC that goes faster than 20 kmh, and insurance is mandatory. You also cannot get insurance if you can adjust the speed limit yourself in the app. So what EUC can you then purchase here in Norway if you want a new one?
What would be the ideal build if you were to take how a piece of technology was deployed across all brands? Like the V13 front lights, the V11 tail lights, with Veteran S suspension system, with Kingsong trolley, Patton kickstand, motor of a Patton (?), etc., etc.. BTW, nice video, very valid points.
Have a link for lightweight compact fast charger?
Vateran Patton might one of the euc on the right track?
Tellement juste, tellement vrai, tout colle avec le fond de ma pensée merci beaucoup Adam
Back when I was in the Navy, half a century ago, the shipboard firefighting gear was interesting. On the flight deck and the hanger deck they had a mix of both 38 and 63 mm hoses. The larger hoses had high flow nozzles and were used by up to 4 man hose crews. Below decks, it was almost always 38 mm hoses with nozzles limited to 360 liters/min at 7 Bar.( 1.5 in hose flowing 95 gpm at 100 psi ). The nozzle reaction was 60 lbs of thrust (267 Newtons) which was all a single able bodied seaman could handle in confined spaces while also pulling the hose around obstacles. Sure, you can lift a hundred pound sack into a van at the big box store, but that is weight lifting, not endurance. The Navy had lots of experience with shipboard fires and this is what someone can handle when alone at the end of a fire hose and still be standing an hour later. I have a Mcm5 and a Nikola, both are nice machines and they fall below that weight limit as does the S18 and V11. Both of those suspension wheels sacrifice range to maintain a decent weight. So, what are the bigger wheels good for? My answer is group rides. You really don't want to get in trouble on a big wheel when you are alone.
So I still love my mten4, just want suspension on it then this form factor is perfect for me
I started riding at the beginning of October 2022, and have started off a complete beginner with a Begode Master.
So far, I have been very lucky in my experience with the wheel, and though i've cracked the tinted tail-light cover, and "naturally" scraped up the bottom of my petals a bit in my journey of learning, I will say that my Batch/Version 3 wheel has stayed in pretty good shape, and hasn't had any serious issues, as of yet. I hope it stays this way, but I also understand that making sure to avoid water, and to keep the wheel maintained is key, as with any vehicle.
When it comes to the quality, and the direction that EUCs companies are going, I dont think that wheels should go really go beyond 60mph...60's still a bit too fast, in my honest opinion. I still havent gotten beyond 35mph on my Begode Master yet, because I want to fully understand the threshold to begin letting up on the wheel, if there's a dip in voltage/power that's needed at those higher speeds/higher strain on the wheel, so I can mitigate cut-outs to the best of my ability. I honestly don't believe companies will be able to justify creating wheels that could go any faster than this--at least until they can realistically get to a point where safety, weight, durability, and other important factors
I believe as we get to this point of 55-60mph, the companies should start letting off of the "race for the fastest wheel", and start focusing on the things that they should've focused on before speed--higher quality parts, durability, reliable waterproofing/avoiding the use of glue/silicone paste-seals (seals like this should be secondary form of reinforcement, not the primary means of sealing up areas that ould easily compromise the entire device/be a cause for serious danger to the rider & others by means of sudden catastrophic electrical failure while riding, or fire, if water is introduced) , creating ease in basic maintenance, repair & upgrading/tire changes, charging innovations, torque & handling innovations, higher-quality BMS, safer tiltback/cut-out prevention warnings/alerts, and lessening the possibility of cut-outs. Though a lot of this has already been touched upon by Adam in this video, I figured I'd point out some of the things that came to mind for me that I didn't happen hear, or go deeper into those same topics from my own viewpoint. Another thing that was mentioned in the video, is quality Customer Support & parts availability. These will help in maintaining the longevity of wheels (of course, I'm sure many companies want people to eventually stop fixing/updating their wheels so they can get another sale out of them, but that's a scummy way of looking at things--it shows lack of quality in the product's longevity/serviceability, and though the day will inevitably come when a new wheel will be needed, it should be because the rider wants to have an updated model--not because it's impossible to get a wheel running via replacing key components. Another thing this would (hopefully) do, is assist in making parts not only easier to access, but cheaper.
I am sure that I missed a few things myself, but I will say, that in my opinion--it does look like companies are beginning to somewhat take these concepts & ideas to heart, and are beginning to lean into the aspects of smarter (hopefully safer) BMS's/motherboards (s19 immediately comes to mind--so does the Begode Master & it's Dynamic tiltback which I just found out about today, so I *don't* have personal experience to back that up) , more durable shells (v13, sherman S, Veteran patton, and metal "bumpers", that double as multi-use contact points/roll-cages/handles/etc & metal battery-packs, as seen on the EX30, and supposedly on the newer versions of the Master), and the (alleged) waterproofing of the Begode A2 (still wouldnt ride it completely submerged, or throw it in a lake like I saw videos of testers doing--it's not a diving watch. The last thing I'd like to add, is that
Anyway...That's my two cents about where we currently are seeing right now in the EUC world, and what we will hopefully see in the future.
There should be named , expressed and ephesised cathegories for wheels weight wise. For expample: Wheels up to 20kg light wheels, then 20-35kg heavy wheels, 35 kg and above super heavy. It would improve competition within category.Personally i am looking forward for light wheels. I dont find usefull to strougle with more then 20kg to go for 30 min daily ride to the boulvard. Sorry for spelling it is almost midnight😅
I like the V13. But I wouldn't feel safe on the highway. I hope they can increase the speed so it can keep up with the cars. Maybe a little headroom to 140 kmh.
For the people who are scared there should be low speed wheels. But there is much innovation possible. What we need there is geared motors. Maybe a planetary hub gear, of a belt driven system. Maybe even a 2/3 geer selector. Then we need the battery packs in such a way that there can be huge currents delivered. All in all it would give extreme acceleration and climbing ability, all while keeping the weight low. Because E-motors like high rpms. So that's were the industry needs to go.
I am looking to get my first wheel (something to stick with fire some time) but I am stuck with pretty much everything you mentioned... Most wheels are really expensive and heavy, or if they're smaller they're a lot older and barebones. Currently I am between the KS 16S and the 14D but I wish there was something newer. I was also suggested the mcm5v2 but I'm not really feeling it, primarily fearful of quality
My first wheel is the 16x. I love it! It's a nice sized wheel for the road and off-road. I'm fairly light, so if you're a lighter rider, you might have a similar experience. I recently bought the T4 (as an off-road wheel, but is good for pavement too). It's a fun ride, but I like being closer to the ground for more control and stability. Granted, both have their perks and are both fun to ride, if you're looking for a first wheel, you can't go wrong with the 16x. Plus it's not that heavy that you'll break your back carrying.
16s is amazing, esp. with new spiked pedals and pads
I'm worried about buying my first euc because of the support.
Inmotion and king song are available if needed you said?
Begode extreme patton and commander mini are all small torque wheels.Hopefully that helps
Excellent video, very good points I couldn't agree more with. I'm coming for the Patton I think, lookin fwd to that review.
Built in charger indeed needed.
First off, love your content and respect what you do and what you stand for!
Here are my opinions in regards to EUCs...
Safety should be priority #1, always!
Everyone has their own stance in regards to what they want from an EUC, and I think that should be respected. This, I think that there should be wheels made for different categories.
Beginner wheels - something small and lightweight, low speed, low cost, etc
Commuter wheels - capable of high speed, but limited to 45mph (usual main street speed limit) plenty of battery life, suspension, enough torque for all the weight.
Small city wheel/easy transport - something on the lighter side, nimble, good trolly handle, flip up pedals, etc.and a speed of either 25 - 35 mph depending where you ride.
Offroading/trail wheel/dual sport - fixed pedals, plenty of torque, light enough and nimble, with suspension and enough battery life.
Sports wheels - designed for racing, etc. High speed and plenty of torque. Enough battery for the sport, but not too much that it becomes more of a commuter. Nice and stable
These would be ideal categories IMO, assuming each thing can be achieved with current technology. Unfortunately, not every box can be checked due to battery performance and weight of current tech. These would also imply that some sort of regulation would be needed to make sure wheels are used for their intended purpose, like we do with cars.
I also want to add, I agree with basically everything you've said but in certain circumstances, such as fixed pedals. They would be good for certain things but also hinder you from the portability factor (needing to fit through a tight spot) integrated charger would be amazing, but also contradicts the idea of as low weight and size as possible. Etc. Etc.
There's so much to talk about within this subject, and there's lots that needs to be done by manufacturers. But I'll sum up by saying that there needs to be categories, not wheels that try to do everything and fail at most (jack of all trades, master of none)
And that safety needs to be the number one priority!
Your skit with the Quality vs Time was hilarious and really well done 🥂
Thanks Marty !!!
This all needed saying. Cheers Adam ✌️
I hope you didn't get too much hate comments about your rant on speed.. I am TOTALLY with you. I too did try to comment on how people ride too fast in some local groups and I got just crushed with bad comments.. glad you advocate for it. Thanks
I gree with u 100% it shouldn't be at all.they keep this up the law will take it away or have a license in it.I gree wit u totally❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I think a smart BMS will be good for the resale market. These wheels drop like rocks in value. If you go see a used wheel with a smart BMS ask the guy to charge it to full then you can check on the batteries. I did that with a used S19 I bought.
Basically Adam wants an Inmotion v11 and a begode T4 combined 😮😮 with built in charger and better torque but lighter in weight. 😮😮
Oh yeah. Speed is frakking dangerous. Give me a backpack-sized EUC capable of cruising at 20 km/h for 10 km with 100 kg load! And from a trusted manufacturer. Where is my mten3 from InMotion / Ninebot?!
Time to make your own Wheel Adam, It's certainly Time!!
I've had everything from the KS14 to the Master: MSX, sherman Max, V12, Nikola, MCM5... And the KS16x. It is still the best package, compact, powerful enough, light, good trolley and anti spin detection. I would have liked if it could really cruise at 50km/h with headroom, and I might have kept it...
Vero good content and i think one of these Companies shouldn hire YOU, because you got really good skills when comes to euc knowledge ….thanks for info…🎩
Hi Adam I think you made a lot of good and valid points here. Some contradictory but the purpose is correct.
I think one thing you touched on but didn’t talked about enough, which in my opinion leads to most of these issues, is the rat race from all companies to see who can put the newest wheel out. Almost all the issues with QC and repair ability would be fixed if manufactures took 6 more months to a year of testing and development. But becuase it’s a rat race with the 4 big company’s to get the newest fastest longest range suspension wheel out, they just keep dumping out products that arent properly tested and pushed out in a hurry in order to get the upper hand/market share.
Hi Adam have alway loved the videos you put out, I bought my v11 partly because of your reviews and videos and I agree with the people who say it is a good all around wheel. I also agree that the manufacturers need to keep making the lighter euc’s for those who need them. And I would love to see and integrated charger but that will add more weight to the wheel and to decrease weight they would have to make smaller batteries so you loose range and power also to make the materials stronger you also will gain weight, stronger more dense material is heavier it is a balancing act ( and of corse cost can’t forget that). To make a 134.4 volt battery using the cells they use 21700 lithium you need 32 cell that only gives you about 5100 mAh and then stack more of those together to get another 5100. ( I’m and electrician by the way) and though I still think we need the lighter wheel I don’t think we can stop pushing limits because that helps to push innovation and provide us with lighter stronger more affordable materials. Sorry for the long winded post. Keep up the great videos you have helped so many getting into this field including my self.
Riding these machines is still a very niche thing,still in its infancy in reality.I think manufacturers are catering for those already established in the hobby as there are not huge amounts of newcomers coming through at the moment.Maybe if euc's were more widely accepted by governments/councils etc there would be more people encouraged to give them a go rarther than worrying about some jobsworth copper fining you for riding them.If this were the case i think more people would think about taking up the hobby giving manufacturers a much better opportunity to provide a broader range of models to cater for beginners,people who want a wheel for short commutes,people who want a cheaper wheel for shorter rides etc,etc.There needs to be a much wider acceptance of these wheels by authorities which would open this hobby up to levels where manufacturers can spend money on developing a much wider range of wheels.Jusy my opinion.
try creating your own Perfect Wheel with all the shortcomings that you mentioned fixed, improvements applied, wheel that is durable, prioritizes torque, safety and can safely cruise at 50km/h. On paper or 3D model with technical details listed.
I recently saw a EUC in my city and was in awe, started researching and considering getting one. So if your list of top EUCs to buy is outdated, could you update it please. Also, this video really explained ups and downs of EUCs very nicely, but i feel like i need more help with choosing an entry level EUC, i'm not interested in going for high speed on motorway.
Don't have a wheel - never had or ridden a wheel but love your channel and 100% agree with what you say. Here in the UK they are always looking to ban things for "safety" reasons and fast as you point out = more dangerous ..... But I have aquired a pedal unicycle 🦄 🚲. I'll let you know how I get on but think I have already stopped any chance of having future children xD
Excellent vid ! I agree that companies should keep the features that motivated people to buy EUC's in the first place such as portability , form factor and nimbleness and breaking. Sometimes what people think of upgrades are actually downgrades and unfortunately people do not see this.
Hit the nail on the head. Great video
Fast is only 1 way to get your kicks!
Relaxed and slow carving or tricky forest riding can be as dopamine rich
You do not even have to jump to reach Nirvana;-)
Waterproofing and no cutouts should be standard; I’m not talking about overlean or overtorque but cutout caused by malfunction.
That's why I prefer InMotion, at least their wheels have ALWAYS been good in rain since the first one that came out almost a decade ago.
Need modularity so it can be easily configured with different batteries and motors. Can buy that big expensive battery down the line after you learn on the smaller cheaper lighter one.
Other thing! For safety I want to use a dash cam. Should be easy to use, small, for everyday commuting even in the cold or in rain. Easy to mount, e. g. on my helmet. Any recommendations for cams or links for reviews? Thank you!
Insta360 X2/X3 ontop of your helmet, will capture anything around you
You're right, but I think the V13 had to happen. Too much talk last year about InMotion falling behind. But I don't think this is a direction, more of a peak. I think they are going back to refresh their smaller wheels. I'm excited for the V11... uh, V2.
Great video! All very valid points made and I totally agree. I also do not want to see any faster wheels especially as most countries are still very unaccepting of personal electric vehicles. If wheels are getting faster than cars the chances of EUC's becoming widely accepted would likely not happen and be stuck behind expensive insurances and licenses at the very least. I would rather see more quality of life improvements over additional speed. I usually don't ride faster than 30mph anyway even though my wheel is more than capable.
I think the EUC manufacturers are doing a great job of putting out a lot of choices in a relatively short amount of time, especially compared to the OW manufacturer. However, I’d like to see far better cable management, stupid easy tire changes, real front and back lights (no more LED junk for headlights/taillights), better methods to prevent overleans or high speed cutouts implemented in both hardware and software and of course, lower prices.
What would you use for lights instead of LEDs? 🤨
Incandescent lightbulbs?
@@oliverer3 I don't think LED is the issue, rather manufacturers just sticking basic LED's on a housing and not really caring about beam spread.
@@InsanitiesBrother Oh absolutely I just found it funny that they seemed to not want any LEDs at all.
I would love to see people join the Esk8 and PEV revolution in EUC's and start Vescifying them, DIY builds and more, I have been struggeling trying to build a EUC in parts hoping to find a "scrapped" EUC because buying spare parts or alike is just partially possible and just going from a hub motor requires alot of work, wish there was just more DIY options especially some VESC builds.
I did my EUC and onewheels with vesc❤
Adam, what a cool content you are doing bro. Carry on, you are the best!
Completely disagree INMOTION have other models to suit your style... The market mostly wanted fast unicycles so that's what they were given its not fair to blame this on the manufacturer. Motorcycles go 300Kmh on the clock it doesn't mean I use it, the pure stability and smooth ride of the V13 wins me everyday over that baby wheel you have, I'm not 70kg I'm a big man and the V13 to me is basically a V12 to you. I believe I could stop quicker than you on a V13 at 50kmh than you could. Weight is also a good thing have you ever tried to race a small 125? This torque thing you have going on isn't real btw the V13 has 300Nm more enough especially with power assist on and this was designed for speed the next wheel I'm told will be different and will cater more to your needs....
The charger is big for longevity small chargers produce heat and die quicker life expectancy of that cheap small charger won't last and it's also not 126v so the transformer etc needs to be bigger as with everything else.
I want a bar under the footplate to mount a small magnet with about 65 lb pull aimed toward the roadway, or a pre-mounted magnet. This is to trip the green-light sensor when there's no car nearby to do this for you.