I was one of those who questioned why you don't use a genoa furler. I respect and accept your arguments. You actually use a manual genoa furler on your genoa 3, with the bag rolled up and zipped !!! I myself came across this argument from sailmakers about 15 years ago. Some more experienced sailors asked me: why would a sailmaker tell you to use only two sails - a furling sail and a storm sail with a staysail - instead of selling you four sails? I then also asked myself why solo sailors in major regattas and even boats with large crews would use genoa furlers, even when the sails are high-performance and made of very rigid materials? But it was the time at sea and sailing that made me decide to use a genoa furler... reducing movements and maneuvers on deck is important when sailing in intense winds and heavy seas. And I quickly concluded that the boat's performance was not affected when I started using the staysail in fierce winds, all I had to do was furl the genoa and open the staysail. It is not only the effort expended that must be considered, but the reduction of maneuvers on deck as a safety factor.
Good point reduction of movement on deck...as a safety feature... I don't like the extra wind age if in a storm or boat at anchor ... Especially at the top of the mast. Are there some roller systems that are relatively easy to take down put back up? And if one sail rips its good to have some spare perhaps?
Dealing with hank on sails when you are young and have a small boat isn't so bad. However, if you have a bigger boat and are a bit older, reducing sail with hank on sails become a bigger job and can be quite dangerous. You can roll up a sail on a furler as small as you want. Yes you lose pointing ability after more than 4-5 turns on the furler, but that isn't such a big deal away from land. As far as having jams and similar issues with a furler, if you know what you are doing that simply doesn't happen. I base that on sailing for 29 years with a furling head sail with zero issues. Incidentally, talking to a racer is not the best thing to do since racers have very different attitudes about sailing than cruisers. Personally, I will opt for the ease of raising/lowering my 135% genoa once a year. Lugging a 37 square meter sail around on deck is doable in light air, but not something I ever want to do again in anything over 10 knots and definitely not on a pitching foredeck. As far as adding luff tape to an old hank on sail goes it isn't worth it. Just buy a new purpose built roller furling sail. You can get a decent sail for a small boat like yours for under $1,500 USD. In other words, spare change in the sailing world.
We had a genua tied up on deck or the lower railing line. We beat up in the Mona passage to come in the Atlantic coming out of Nassau in the Bahamas. A wave damaged the sail pretty badly!
You describe exactly why I sail a cutter with both Yankee and Staysail and both on furler on my Vancouver 27…….great rig! And great boat for solo sailing❤
Thanks for explaining your reasons for not using a roller furling. I see how your current setup works great for you. My concern was the safety aspect of the having to be on the bow of the boat to make sail changes in rough conditions as a solo sailor. Hats off to you. You are an awesome sailor. Be safe.
My current boat, a large ketch has a good sized stay sail, but the boat is made for strong winds anyway so I don't even think about reducing sail until the wind hits 18 knots and sometimes I don't until it hits 22 knots. All my sails are roller furling which makes it very nice. This is the first time I've had a 155 genoa. I tried rolling it up a lot but found out the sheets rub on the stays so I just use the stay sail when the winds get around 28 knots. I haven't had it in 40 knots yet but am pretty sure I wouldn't have to furl the stay sail until then. Now my old boat with both sails furling, A Hunter 376 that had a 105 jib and a large main that was made for light winds, I started thinking about reducing sail at 12 knots. Over the course of 40K offshore miles I have had all kinds of sail out. Many times I've had what you would consider 3 reefs in both jib and main and it worked fine. I guess it depends on the sail, but I had no problems on my Hunter furling the headsail to where it was like a storm sail. I did have foam strips on the luff to help it furl smoothly though. So I guess it depends on the layout of the boat and the shape/size of the headsail, but I do know that some headsails can be rolled up to storm sail size and still function well.
when your furl a roller jib you raise the center of effort, when your change to a smaller jib you lower the center of effort, which reduces heeling moment, which is why you reduce sail to start with, right? I'm shopping for a little bigger boat and my criteria includes the comfort factor (Ted Brewer came up with a way to measure how the boat's motion in a seaway feels) and ease of single handed sailing, so I'm looking at fairly long keels, skeg hung rudders, deeper hulls and not really caring about sailing into the wind because I'm not is a race. Roller furling makes a lot of sense in a cutter rig where i could keep a staysail either up and flying or ready to hoist while trimming the jib from the cockpit. I plan to sail around the west coast of Canada and Washington state for a year or two while customising the rig and systems before doing some offshore cruising, likely solo or with less than expert crews
When you go to a bigger boat the weight of the genoa becomes a factor. It takes two people in calm weather to muscle mine around which is why it is on a furler. I have a staysail that is hank on so I can run in heavier weather on that. It does not deal with the windage aspect but I'd have to have a decent crew to have a hank on genoa.
Did similiar trip years ago totally agree with your conclusion . I found a 80 % jib for ocean crossing was adequate fo most of of the ocean work . Really impressed with your trip and your preparation.
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Thanks for explaining your reasons for not having the roller furler. And lovely to meet you at Marsden Cove Marina today. I am so pleased I got to say hi.
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Everyone of your reasons for not using a Genoa Furler are exactly the same ones that decided me to remove the furler from my Careel 22 trailer sailer called Wanton. I too have now made a bag that I place around the Nos. 3 genoa, on the foredeck, ready to be deployed as you described. One other reason that is not often mentioned when discussing furlers, is that when things go wrong with a roller furler, they happen at the worst possible time for such failures. You may be interested to read this narration I gave of a rather scary event, on a forum called trailer sailor place. "Surprisingly the scariest experience we have had sailing occurred on the Gippsland lakes between Paynesville and Metung almost within Metung Bay of all places. My wife and I along with our two grand daughters, in our boat Wanton, had sailed at Fraser Island with some pretty stiff wind on our return to the mainland. We also sailed all over the Whitsundays, again often in rather windy conditions. Wanton handled everything that was thrown at her with zest and it resulted in my wife and grand daughters gaining a lot of confidence in their abilities and Wanton's worth as a sailing boat. On this occasion at Metung Bay three things happened, that in a lesser boat would have spelled disaster. Firstly, whilst trying to outsail and out motor a storm, that suddenly and totally unexpectedly hit us, our terrific near new plastic outboard bracket snapped in half. Whilst attempting to haul the motor into the cockpit, with my wife at the tiller, we got hit by a starboard side squall that resulted in the listing and the spreaders touching the surface of the water. Bravely, my wife let the tiller loose and that resulted in Wanton self-righting almost instantly. The main sail was already fully furled so I then decided to reduce our furling genoa. The wind now being fully ahead resulted in the furler fouling with the forestay snapping the forestay. Luckily for us we have always sailed with the baby stay on the mast. All this happened in the space of perhaps 80 seconds." The purpose of mentioning this incident is to remind everyone the Poo Poo can happen anywhere, yes even in our beauteous Gippsland Lakes."
I think you are best with the hanked sails, as you have them. A lot of comments here are probably from yachties who day-sail or do mainly weekend short coastal sails, racing or not. When way offshore, and in something like a 40 or 50 knot storm or more, I would hate to have a storm jib and hopefully properly furled headsail up. The extra windage, and perhaps the risk of it partly unfurling as well, or not easily furling fully in a sudden onset of wind, would all be a worry to me. Dropping a headsail, reaching under reefed main, and at some stage hoisting the storm jib would give much better peace of mind. Also I don't think it is feasible to think you can plan on lowering a headsail off a furler before a storm set in. I might be wrong but I believe that once a headsail is on a furler, it stays there for the entire voyage. I am sure some people have been deep offshore with furlers, and it would be good to get their perspective, but I know that plenty of them go long distance on pure luck instead of experience. Looks like you are headed to Auckland. I'll keep a watch out for if you get to the Tamaki Estuary.
I sailed JamToday a Farrier F 36 around the world and did not have a furler on the forestay, but had two profurl flying furlers that I could lower after furling onto the deck reducing windage to slow the boat down. I hanked my No 1, 2,3 . I have seen torn sails on furling systems that struggled to be lowered on a fixed stay so avoided that type. PAUL van Gysen, Luderitz
I still use hank-on sails. I have considered roller furling many times. It seems like it would be easy. However, the mechanical simplicity of hank-on sails appeals to me. Also, the weight and windage of a furled sail in rough conditions makes me uneasy. I prefer to take sails down and stow below decks when conditions require it. I also use a turtle bag lashed to the railings, which works well. Thanks for sharing your views and methods.
I see Holly of Wind Hippie fame, same boat, now has a roller…sponsored by Rolly Tasker, so who would not! Shame these two haven’t met up (yet?), same part of the world.
Hank on keeps it simple and allows for sail changes. Those furlers are more convenient but seem to have issues right when you don't want to have issues. A cutter seems like it would be great with a furling headsail but a hank on stay sail.
Ik heb sinds 1979 een TWINSOLE 27, een stalen zeilboot van 27 voet, ontworpen door Martin Bekebrede en gebouwd in Nederland. Ik vaar ermee op de Waddenzee, de Noordzee, het Kanaal en de Oostzee. Al snel na de inbedrijfstelling heb ik de enkele voorstag vervangen door een dubbele voorstag. Sindsdien heb ik voor langere afstanden (voor mij betekent dat slechts IJmuiden-Lowestoft of Den Helder-Grimsby) twee zeilen tegelijk op: een zeil voor de momentele windkracht en een tweede, kleiner zeil voor meer wind. Ik denk nog steeds niet dat een rolfok het ideale zeil is. Een half opgerolde rolfok is gewoon een voorzeil met een inferieur profiel. Maar je oplossing met de turtle bag klinkt interessant! Misschien zien we de oplossing binnenkort in beeld?
Your family has to be so immensely proud of what you are doing. It takes a lot of courage and determination to sail off to the horizon and beyond. Not to mention solo and on a small boat.
A Furling sail is okay until it gets damaged. I would have two stays, when changing sails hank the second sail on the spare stay drop the working sail into the turtle bag & hoist the new sail.
On my 28 footer I fitted an extra inner forestay (with added back stays). This way I just lowered the foresail, tied it up, and continued with a nr 3 jib on the inner (cutter)- stay. All strong safe hanked-on system. No dangerous strenuous sail changes and the benefit of stronger rigging incase of a forestay failure Note that this was ages ago. Nowadays on my 36 footer I sail with a Hood furler and enjoy the benefit of leaving the spinnaker pole in the jib while reefing on the long downwind oceancrossings. Little foredeck work ! You could/should have thought this through before this big journey dear Loveworker.
I solo circumnavigated in a 33' cutter with a roller furling jib and hank-on staysail and this set up served me well. The roller furling was really appreciated in the southern ocean so I didn't have to brave the foredeck in heavy weather which can be pretty scary especially at night. Down at 50-60 degrees South, I spent most of the time running downwind with only the staysail poled out. This kept my boat speed
There is another option: to get a furling genoa with luff foam strips sawn in. I just got one myself this summer and love it because you can furl it down to any size you'd like without much distorting the shape of the sail. Granted, I do not know if that type of sail is suitable for ocean crossings. I love your videos and wish you safe voyages!
Also sailing a 27 footers solo, not over oceans but still, weeks at a time in the Finnish archipelago. I feel hanks are just super reliable. if I want to get the sail down It'll come down no matter what wind direction. There's not much than can go wrong. I have a fractional rig so I'm almost always using a G3 and when it opens up I use my flat small spinnaker. Almost never bring out the G1 when cruising. I feel You have made the right choice when going with a non furling setup.
I've never been offshore but know Chesapeake Bay storms well. Good practice for offshore. Some fellas and I would look for storms so we could practice in crappy weather. we learned a lot. You have obviously learned a lot more and we can learn from you.
Há toda a vantagem de usar velas com enrolador, ainda mais viajando em solitário, em caso de mau tempo basta deixar um metro de vela deixando de ser quase necessário a utilização da stormjib, por outro lado nas popas a utilização da genoa com o pau de spi permite regular a área vélica com facilidade.
Most of today's furling systems are not reliable for long distance cruising. What you are doing works for you, it is simple and mostly foolproof, there is nothing wrong with your decision. Nice channel.
We have a Tasmanian designed and built Reefit furler on my boat. A 1974 built Swanson 30 IOR half tonner. It works perfectly and has never caused any issues, either in racing or cruising. By all accounts, it’s one of the very best and simplest furling systems for your Genoa out there. I am so glad I never have to go forward and hank on a foresail. We always sail with our N0.2 genny and with its two reefing points it works just fine. As we don’t have a inner forestay, changing over to a stay sail or even storm jib isn’t something we have ever needed to do. If the worst conditions were encountered we would simply furl the Genoa right in leaving but a handkerchief and put 2 reefs in the main. We don’t have a large main so it doesn’t have a 3rd reefing point.
@@thestardusterchronicles5462 I would like to see the data on this along with information on where the data came from. (grin) Modern furlers are almost always designed to be easily shippable which means there are countless joints in the extrusion pcs. held together with little set screws. These extrusions tend to be weak in my experience. Eventually the screws work loose and can jam the sail or if the extrusions come apart the sail can be hopelessly jammed with no way to lower or fully furl the sail. This stuff seems to always happen when the weather is not being nice and dealing with such a failure under bad conditions can be dangerous... In the past there were systems that you could buy that had full length one pc. extrusions which completely eliminates the unintended disassembly issue, maybe there are still some built like this but I am not aware of them. But even without the extrusion problem are others that will eventually get you. I had one customer who had a top bearing completely seize in a Hood furling system and it had to happen in the middle of a bad thunderstorm. He spent 45 minutes going in circles in the middle of the Gulf Stream in big seas during the storm to wind the sail up since it was too dangerous to go on deck with the big flogging Genoa. My boat btw is actually fully roller furling. main, mizzen and Genoa. All of the extrusions are one pc. and the gearboxes and swivels are massively built. The Genoa gearbox, swivel and motor weigh in around 50 lbs not counting the extrusion and this is on a 46' boat. It is a lot to maintain since real steel roller bearings are involved along with ,oil and seals but it is so wonderful to have that I am willing to put in the time and dollars to look after it and to accept the risk of failures. The boat also has powerful manual backup furling that so far has not been needed but is reassuring. I have owned the boat since 2016 and before I had the time to competely rebuild the systems I had one partial swivel seize which did minor damage but the sail still furled and one motor that had a stuck brush, a tap on the case restored function. All of my previous boats had traditional hank on sails and they ALWAYS worked. As nice as the furling systems on my boat are, I know for sure that they will not always work. Simplicity just wins when it comes to reliability. I agree with Jaquelines decision to avoid roller furling for now. She is a lot of fun to watch, so happy and she is out there doing what she loves. Stay safe and have fun Jaqueline! J&J SV Sueno
Petje af hoor, ik kijk graag naar jouw video clips. One day I like to do that too. Sail terug naar het oude land Holland, say hello to family and dan weer terug misschien . Ik heb gezeild in Holland maar dat was een lange tijd terug. Hou je haaks en veilig; ik wens je goede winds en kalme zeegang.👍🇳🇱👍
If you could have two stays, then you could have a roller furling un the front and the jib un the back. So you could have a small bowsprit in order to attach the extra stay
Yup. The general rule of thumb is that a roller furling is good for coastal or short hop sailing and hank-on sails are for passage making. It’s a less parts breaking safety issue. Can you talk about your solar oven? How is that working out for you?
Hi.up to you.but i run two forward stays.one with my largest sail on a furler for lite wind and when I'm lassy.and then the second stay for Hank's.and it good to have two of everything for safety. Well done on your channel.i love some one that loves what i love.the freedom of the sea.
The risk of fouling a jib in the furling system is for sea- and oceanfaring a substantial risk. Furling systems are far from reliable, although on smaller boats the risk is not that important being on iland waters. Therefore I always opt for the traditional system for many obvious reasons.
Sensibly you came to the correct conclusion. The KISS principle applies here. Rolling in the #1 on a furler to make say a #3 would form a sail with poor shape compared to your hanked on #3, especially for going upwind plus it would be of lighter material. You'd hate it. The only way a roller furler could work on your boat would be to install something like a solent inner forestay. The other really big advantage of your current setup is less weight and windage aloft which would be significant.
Thanks so much for sharing 😁 Newbie here But listen I was born in Holland so the sea is part of my soul , it’ll come natural right ? So I retired and bought a boat . My sailing experience is minimal but well intended lessons from my SA friend . 😂 roller furlers are awesome ….. when it’s working properly ! I must agree with your decision. I’m new to sailing but have already experienced in mast furling . In … out … in … out dam it’s stuck … again , go out on deck and fight the sail with a wrinkle , stuck inside the mast . I found some parts and made another roller closer to the mast as the pull was straight out with no downward pull. Ok after a few on the mooring checks. Lol it’s gonna work. I set off solo . Once past the reefs at good water I pull the sail out and 😂 great it came out but only to the point of the new rollers anchor point of course and now it csnt go further , ooops ! I went on deck to remove the stuff I’d added . Then it hit me . I’m alone no life line attached on deck thankfully light wind calm seas off Grenadas south end . I jumped back into the cockpit quickly snd told myself if it doesn’t cooperate now I’ll use the engine . The sail came out no problem . Upon return It rolled back in no problem either. But what if at sea in real conditions ! I had done my best lol to eliminate problems but wow that system is a trick ! Wouldn’t dare go any distance with it unless it’s new ? Sheesh
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Not sure what you mean here. You need to be able to fly small sails on the front of the boat to safely cross oceans and you can't form decent small sails with number 1 type sail on a furler, you would need an inner forestay.
Hi ! I would be interested to know that how well does your windvane work? Especially in heavy weather and big waves. If you use the windvane do you still need to do manual tiller steering or does the windvane work without manual help in all situations? I am in the process of rethinking my downwind sailing methods (butterfly sails is the solution that I am considering at the moment) and therefore I am trying to collect some real world data about the good and bad of windvanes in different sea conditions. Thanks!
I doubt she has been in the conditions where the waves were too big. She is sailing the coconut run, not the high lats (except for this last trip but she timed it right). The waves have to get up to over 20 feet before the windvane struggles. Most never see that but those who do the non-stop around the world trips do and they said they had to use the autopilot in those conditions. If you have a big boat, then yeah, you will need an autopilot in those conditions. If you have a small boat, then maybe considering doing something other than sailing, like heaving to or dragging a JSD would be the safer approach. Why? Because in big storms that produce those types of waves also tend to create a rogue waves. It is easy to pitch pole or capsize if the wave is larger than the length of the boat. The wave will lift the boat up high and gravity will pull it down fast causing all kinds of problems. So if you are in a 30' boat and the waves are 20', a rogue wave would be 40' and if it hit you, it wouldn't be good. Now if you are in a 50' boat and the waves are 20', a rogue wave would be too small to cause a pitch pole but could if the conditions were right cause a capsize. Now keep in mind, if you are just doing the coconut run, you most likely don't need to worry about any of this. If you are rounding the capes, then yeah.
I was one of those who questioned why you don't use a genoa furler.
I respect and accept your arguments.
You actually use a manual genoa furler on your genoa 3, with the bag rolled up and zipped !!!
I myself came across this argument from sailmakers about 15 years ago. Some more experienced sailors asked me: why would a sailmaker tell you to use only two sails - a furling sail and a storm sail with a staysail - instead of selling you four sails?
I then also asked myself why solo sailors in major regattas and even boats with large crews would use genoa furlers, even when the sails are high-performance and made of very rigid materials?
But it was the time at sea and sailing that made me decide to use a genoa furler... reducing movements and maneuvers on deck is important when sailing in intense winds and heavy seas. And I quickly concluded that the boat's performance was not affected when I started using the staysail in fierce winds, all I had to do was furl the genoa and open the staysail. It is not only the effort expended that must be considered, but the reduction of maneuvers on deck as a safety factor.
A stay sail is a great add to a boat. Especially to a boat with a furling genoa.
Good point reduction of movement on deck...as a safety feature...
I don't like the extra wind age if in a storm or boat at anchor ...
Especially at the top of the mast.
Are there some roller systems that are relatively easy to take down put back up?
And if one sail rips its good to have some spare perhaps?
Dealing with hank on sails when you are young and have a small boat isn't so bad. However, if you have a bigger boat and are a bit older, reducing sail with hank on sails become a bigger job and can be quite dangerous. You can roll up a sail on a furler as small as you want. Yes you lose pointing ability after more than 4-5 turns on the furler, but that isn't such a big deal away from land. As far as having jams and similar issues with a furler, if you know what you are doing that simply doesn't happen. I base that on sailing for 29 years with a furling head sail with zero issues. Incidentally, talking to a racer is not the best thing to do since racers have very different attitudes about sailing than cruisers. Personally, I will opt for the ease of raising/lowering my 135% genoa once a year. Lugging a 37 square meter sail around on deck is doable in light air, but not something I ever want to do again in anything over 10 knots and definitely not on a pitching foredeck. As far as adding luff tape to an old hank on sail goes it isn't worth it. Just buy a new purpose built roller furling sail. You can get a decent sail for a small boat like yours for under $1,500 USD. In other words, spare change in the sailing world.
You have a little boat with little sails. They work. I like it.❤
We had a genua tied up on deck or the lower railing line. We beat up in the Mona passage to come in the Atlantic coming out of Nassau in the Bahamas. A wave damaged the sail pretty badly!
You are just amazing and inspiration to all of us sailors! ❤You are also the one of the bravest women in the world! 😊Stay safe and enjoy your sailing!
You describe exactly why I sail a cutter with both Yankee and Staysail and both on furler on my Vancouver 27…….great rig! And great boat for solo sailing❤
Thanks for explaining your reasons for not using a roller furling. I see how your current setup works great for you. My concern was the safety aspect of the having to be on the bow of the boat to make sail changes in rough conditions as a solo sailor. Hats off to you. You are an awesome sailor. Be safe.
Keep us posted on the turtle bag. I tend to stuff my hanked on headsails into a bag lashed to the pulpit, which is hard on the fabric.
Every yachtsman/woman their own. I prefer teatowel 😊
My current boat, a large ketch has a good sized stay sail, but the boat is made for strong winds anyway so I don't even think about reducing sail until the wind hits 18 knots and sometimes I don't until it hits 22 knots. All my sails are roller furling which makes it very nice. This is the first time I've had a 155 genoa. I tried rolling it up a lot but found out the sheets rub on the stays so I just use the stay sail when the winds get around 28 knots. I haven't had it in 40 knots yet but am pretty sure I wouldn't have to furl the stay sail until then.
Now my old boat with both sails furling, A Hunter 376 that had a 105 jib and a large main that was made for light winds, I started thinking about reducing sail at 12 knots. Over the course of 40K offshore miles I have had all kinds of sail out. Many times I've had what you would consider 3 reefs in both jib and main and it worked fine. I guess it depends on the sail, but I had no problems on my Hunter furling the headsail to where it was like a storm sail. I did have foam strips on the luff to help it furl smoothly though.
So I guess it depends on the layout of the boat and the shape/size of the headsail, but I do know that some headsails can be rolled up to storm sail size and still function well.
when your furl a roller jib you raise the center of effort, when your change to a smaller jib you lower the center of effort, which reduces heeling moment, which is why you reduce sail to start with, right? I'm shopping for a little bigger boat and my criteria includes the comfort factor (Ted Brewer came up with a way to measure how the boat's motion in a seaway feels) and ease of single handed sailing, so I'm looking at fairly long keels, skeg hung rudders, deeper hulls and not really caring about sailing into the wind because I'm not is a race. Roller furling makes a lot of sense in a cutter rig where i could keep a staysail either up and flying or ready to hoist while trimming the jib from the cockpit. I plan to sail around the west coast of Canada and Washington state for a year or two while customising the rig and systems before doing some offshore cruising, likely solo or with less than expert crews
When you go to a bigger boat the weight of the genoa becomes a factor. It takes two people in calm weather to muscle mine around which is why it is on a furler. I have a staysail that is hank on so I can run in heavier weather on that. It does not deal with the windage aspect but I'd have to have a decent crew to have a hank on genoa.
Did similiar trip years ago totally agree with your conclusion . I found a 80 % jib for ocean crossing was adequate fo most of of the ocean work . Really impressed with your trip and your preparation.
Lashing headsails to the fence in heavy weather is a good way to lose not only the sail plus your fence. Happy sailing
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Thanks for explaining your reasons for not having the roller furler. And lovely to meet you at Marsden Cove Marina today. I am so pleased I got to say hi.
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Everyone of your reasons for not using a Genoa Furler are exactly the same ones that decided me to remove the furler from my Careel 22 trailer sailer called Wanton. I too have now made a bag that I place around the Nos. 3 genoa, on the foredeck, ready to be deployed as you described. One other reason that is not often mentioned when discussing furlers, is that when things go wrong with a roller furler, they happen at the worst possible time for such failures. You may be interested to read this narration I gave of a rather scary event, on a forum called trailer sailor place.
"Surprisingly the scariest experience we have had sailing occurred on the Gippsland lakes between Paynesville and Metung almost within Metung Bay of all places.
My wife and I along with our two grand daughters, in our boat Wanton, had sailed at Fraser Island with some pretty stiff wind on our return to the mainland. We also sailed all over the Whitsundays, again often in rather windy conditions. Wanton handled everything that was thrown at her with zest and it resulted in my wife and grand daughters gaining a lot of confidence in their abilities and Wanton's worth as a sailing boat.
On this occasion at Metung Bay three things happened, that in a lesser boat would have spelled disaster. Firstly, whilst trying to outsail and out motor a storm, that suddenly and totally unexpectedly hit us, our terrific near new plastic outboard bracket snapped in half. Whilst attempting to haul the motor into the cockpit, with my wife at the tiller, we got hit by a starboard side squall that resulted in the listing and the spreaders touching the surface of the water. Bravely, my wife let the tiller loose and that resulted in Wanton self-righting almost instantly. The main sail was already fully furled so I then decided to reduce our furling genoa. The wind now being fully ahead resulted in the furler fouling with the forestay snapping the forestay. Luckily for us we have always sailed with the baby stay on the mast. All this happened in the space of perhaps 80 seconds."
The purpose of mentioning this incident is to remind everyone the Poo Poo can happen anywhere, yes even in our beauteous Gippsland Lakes."
I think you are best with the hanked sails, as you have them. A lot of comments here are probably from yachties who day-sail or do mainly weekend short coastal sails, racing or not. When way offshore, and in something like a 40 or 50 knot storm or more, I would hate to have a storm jib and hopefully properly furled headsail up. The extra windage, and perhaps the risk of it partly unfurling as well, or not easily furling fully in a sudden onset of wind, would all be a worry to me. Dropping a headsail, reaching under reefed main, and at some stage hoisting the storm jib would give much better peace of mind.
Also I don't think it is feasible to think you can plan on lowering a headsail off a furler before a storm set in. I might be wrong but I believe that once a headsail is on a furler, it stays there for the entire voyage.
I am sure some people have been deep offshore with furlers, and it would be good to get their perspective, but I know that plenty of them go long distance on pure luck instead of experience.
Looks like you are headed to Auckland. I'll keep a watch out for if you get to the Tamaki Estuary.
I sailed JamToday a Farrier F 36 around the world and did not have a furler on the forestay, but had two profurl flying furlers that I could lower after furling onto the deck reducing windage to slow the boat down. I hanked my No 1, 2,3 . I have seen torn sails on furling systems that struggled to be lowered on a fixed stay so avoided that type. PAUL van Gysen, Luderitz
Curious to see the turtlebag. About furlers: don’t underestimate the windage-effects of a furled sail.👍👍
I still use hank-on sails. I have considered roller furling many times. It seems like it would be easy. However, the mechanical simplicity of hank-on sails appeals to me. Also, the weight and windage of a furled sail in rough conditions makes me uneasy. I prefer to take sails down and stow below decks when conditions require it. I also use a turtle bag lashed to the railings, which works well. Thanks for sharing your views and methods.
I’ve got no idea what you’re talking about, but I still enjoyed the conversation :)
I see Holly of Wind Hippie fame, same boat, now has a roller…sponsored by Rolly Tasker, so who would not!
Shame these two haven’t met up (yet?), same part of the world.
Hank on keeps it simple and allows for sail changes. Those furlers are more convenient but seem to have issues right when you don't want to have issues. A cutter seems like it would be great with a furling headsail but a hank on stay sail.
You are amazing and I am enjoying watching all your episodes.
Ik heb sinds 1979 een TWINSOLE 27, een stalen zeilboot van 27 voet, ontworpen door Martin Bekebrede en gebouwd in Nederland. Ik vaar ermee op de Waddenzee, de Noordzee, het Kanaal en de Oostzee. Al snel na de inbedrijfstelling heb ik de enkele voorstag vervangen door een dubbele voorstag. Sindsdien heb ik voor langere afstanden (voor mij betekent dat slechts IJmuiden-Lowestoft of Den Helder-Grimsby) twee zeilen tegelijk op: een zeil voor de momentele windkracht en een tweede, kleiner zeil voor meer wind. Ik denk nog steeds niet dat een rolfok het ideale zeil is. Een half opgerolde rolfok is gewoon een voorzeil met een inferieur profiel. Maar je oplossing met de turtle bag klinkt interessant! Misschien zien we de oplossing binnenkort in beeld?
Hello Jaqueline
Sails and hook never fail, roller furler do.
Your family has to be so immensely proud of what you are doing. It takes a lot of courage and determination to sail off to the horizon and beyond. Not to mention solo and on a small boat.
Look forward to seeing the bag solution …interested in doing the same…
A Furling sail is okay until it gets damaged. I would have two stays, when changing sails hank the second sail on the spare stay drop the working sail into the turtle bag & hoist the new sail.
On my 28 footer I fitted an extra inner forestay (with added back stays).
This way I just lowered the foresail, tied it up, and continued with a nr 3 jib on the inner (cutter)- stay.
All strong safe hanked-on system.
No dangerous strenuous sail changes and the benefit of stronger rigging incase of a forestay failure
Note that this was ages ago. Nowadays on my 36 footer I sail with a Hood furler and enjoy the benefit of leaving
the spinnaker pole in the jib while reefing on the long downwind oceancrossings. Little foredeck work !
You could/should have thought this through before this big journey dear Loveworker.
I still have an inner forestay for hanked-on small jibs. Its just like Ron Kirk down below.
Really enjoying your channel. Stay safe and we will be watching.
There is simplicity in Hank on headsails. Thanks for your videos, Subscribed 😉
I solo circumnavigated in a 33' cutter with a roller furling jib and hank-on staysail and this set up served me well. The roller furling was really appreciated in the southern ocean so I didn't have to brave the foredeck in heavy weather which can be pretty scary especially at night. Down at 50-60 degrees South, I spent most of the time running downwind with only the staysail poled out. This kept my boat speed
The difference with you is that you had a cutter rig, enabling you to use the furling jib and when needed the storm jib.
There is another option: to get a furling genoa with luff foam strips sawn in. I just got one myself this summer and love it because you can furl it down to any size you'd like without much distorting the shape of the sail. Granted, I do not know if that type of sail is suitable for ocean crossings. I love your videos and wish you safe voyages!
EXCELENTE DECISION CAPITANA UN APAREJO MUY MARINERO Y PARA TODEO LOS MARES Y OCEANOS !!!! UN GRAN SALUDO DESDE ARGENTINA Y BUENA PROA !!!!
Thanks for explaining why you don't have furling. I had the same question. Wishing you great sailing. I really enjoy your videos!
Also sailing a 27 footers solo, not over oceans but still, weeks at a time in the Finnish archipelago. I feel hanks are just super reliable. if I want to get the sail down It'll come down no matter what wind direction. There's not much than can go wrong. I have a fractional rig so I'm almost always using a G3 and when it opens up I use my flat small spinnaker. Almost never bring out the G1 when cruising. I feel You have made the right choice when going with a non furling setup.
I've never been offshore but know Chesapeake Bay storms well. Good practice for offshore. Some fellas and I would look for storms so we could practice in crappy weather. we learned a lot. You have obviously learned a lot more and we can learn from you.
Yes that makes perfect sense now that you have explained the sail set up, it is best for changing conditions...love your channel
You’re so clever and brave, I’ve learned so much about sailing watching your videos, thank you 😊
Há toda a vantagem de usar velas com enrolador, ainda mais viajando em solitário, em caso de mau tempo basta deixar um metro de vela deixando de ser quase necessário a utilização da stormjib, por outro lado nas popas a utilização da genoa com o pau de spi permite regular a área vélica com facilidade.
Good decision
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Most of today's furling systems are not reliable for long distance cruising. What you are doing works for you, it is simple and mostly foolproof, there is nothing wrong with your decision. Nice channel.
And yet most long distance cruisers use roller furlers..... reliably
@@thestardusterchronicles5462😅😅...No doubt!, he is talking like a sofa-sailor!
We have a Tasmanian designed and built Reefit furler on my boat. A 1974 built Swanson 30 IOR half tonner. It works perfectly and has never caused any issues, either in racing or cruising. By all accounts, it’s one of the very best and simplest furling systems for your Genoa out there. I am so glad I never have to go forward and hank on a foresail. We always sail with our N0.2 genny and with its two reefing points it works just fine. As we don’t have a inner forestay, changing over to a stay sail or even storm jib isn’t something we have ever needed to do. If the worst conditions were encountered we would simply furl the Genoa right in leaving but a handkerchief and put 2 reefs in the main. We don’t have a large main so it doesn’t have a 3rd reefing point.
We sailed from Alaska to New Zealand, 5 years cruising with roller furling on both head sails. We have cutter… never had a problem.
@@thestardusterchronicles5462 I would like to see the data on this along with information on where the data came from. (grin) Modern furlers are almost always designed to be easily shippable which means there are countless joints in the extrusion pcs. held together with little set screws. These extrusions tend to be weak in my experience. Eventually the screws work loose and can jam the sail or if the extrusions come apart the sail can be hopelessly jammed with no way to lower or fully furl the sail. This stuff seems to always happen when the weather is not being nice and dealing with such a failure under bad conditions can be dangerous... In the past there were systems that you could buy that had full length one pc. extrusions which completely eliminates the unintended disassembly issue, maybe there are still some built like this but I am not aware of them. But even without the extrusion problem are others that will eventually get you. I had one customer who had a top bearing completely seize in a Hood furling system and it had to happen in the middle of a bad thunderstorm. He spent 45 minutes going in circles in the middle of the Gulf Stream in big seas during the storm to wind the sail up since it was too dangerous to go on deck with the big flogging Genoa. My boat btw is actually fully roller furling. main, mizzen and Genoa. All of the extrusions are one pc. and the gearboxes and swivels are massively built. The Genoa gearbox, swivel and motor weigh in around 50 lbs not counting the extrusion and this is on a 46' boat. It is a lot to maintain since real steel roller bearings are involved along with ,oil and seals but it is so wonderful to have that I am willing to put in the time and dollars to look after it and to accept the risk of failures. The boat also has powerful manual backup furling that so far has not been needed but is reassuring. I have owned the boat since 2016 and before I had the time to competely rebuild the systems I had one partial swivel seize which did minor damage but the sail still furled and one motor that had a stuck brush, a tap on the case restored function. All of my previous boats had traditional hank on sails and they ALWAYS worked. As nice as the furling systems on my boat are, I know for sure that they will not always work. Simplicity just wins when it comes to reliability. I agree with Jaquelines decision to avoid roller furling for now. She is a lot of fun to watch, so happy and she is out there doing what she loves. Stay safe and have fun Jaqueline! J&J SV Sueno
Nice to meet you today J , have a great weekend in Akl.
Toujours aussi intéressant !! Merci !!
Gewoon geweldig.
Bravo me and my father congrats to you
Petje af hoor, ik kijk graag naar jouw video clips. One day I like to do that too. Sail terug naar het oude land Holland, say hello to family and dan weer terug misschien .
Ik heb gezeild in Holland maar dat was een lange tijd terug.
Hou je haaks en veilig; ik wens je goede winds en kalme zeegang.👍🇳🇱👍
If you could have two stays, then you could have a roller furling un the front and the jib un the back. So you could have a small bowsprit in order to attach the extra stay
Yup. The general rule of thumb is that a roller furling is good for coastal or short hop sailing and hank-on sails are for passage making. It’s a less parts breaking safety issue.
Can you talk about your solar oven? How is that working out for you?
Hi.up to you.but i run two forward stays.one with my largest sail on a furler for lite wind and when I'm lassy.and then the second stay for Hank's.and it good to have two of everything for safety. Well done on your channel.i love some one that loves what i love.the freedom of the sea.
Thank you for sharing your life with us!
The risk of fouling a jib in the furling system is for sea- and oceanfaring a substantial risk. Furling systems are far from reliable, although on smaller boats the risk is not that important being on iland waters. Therefore I always opt for the traditional system for many obvious reasons.
I do a lot of singlehand sailing. And i fly that same pennnant. Most people dont get it...
Really you strong sailing 😊
Like nice where you are.
Thank you!
Sensibly you came to the correct conclusion. The KISS principle applies here. Rolling in the #1 on a furler to make say a #3 would form a sail with poor shape compared to your hanked on #3, especially for going upwind plus it would be of lighter material. You'd hate it. The only way a roller furler could work on your boat would be to install something like a solent inner forestay. The other really big advantage of your current setup is less weight and windage aloft which would be significant.
Awesome backstory on your decisions.
Thanks so much for sharing 😁
Newbie here
But listen I was born in Holland so the sea is part of my soul , it’ll come natural right ?
So I retired and bought a boat .
My sailing experience is minimal but well intended lessons from my SA friend .
😂 roller furlers are awesome ….. when it’s working properly !
I must agree with your decision.
I’m new to sailing but have already experienced in mast furling .
In … out … in … out dam it’s stuck … again , go out on deck and fight the sail with a wrinkle , stuck inside the mast .
I found some parts and made another roller closer to the mast as the pull was straight out with no downward pull.
Ok after a few on the mooring checks. Lol it’s gonna work.
I set off solo .
Once past the reefs at good water I pull the sail out and 😂 great it came out but only to the point of the new rollers anchor point of course and now it csnt go further , ooops !
I went on deck to remove the stuff I’d added . Then it hit me . I’m alone no life line attached on deck thankfully light wind calm seas off Grenadas south end .
I jumped back into the cockpit quickly snd told myself if it doesn’t cooperate now I’ll use the engine .
The sail came out no problem . Upon return It rolled back in no problem either.
But what if at sea in real conditions !
I had done my best lol to eliminate problems but wow that system is a trick !
Wouldn’t dare go any distance with it unless it’s new ? Sheesh
An education…..ty
Sailing offshore is completely different to inshore , you reef a lot earlier due to the sea state .
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Love your hair when you wear it down..❤️
Whereabouts in Australia you passing by if i may ask.
Mm goed denkwerk mbt de rol fok … klinkt goed
you forgot to mention a roller furler would save you crawling on the deck in 20 ft seas and getting washed overboard.? Steve
And when it breaks you’re going to have to go forward anyway and won’t be timid or uncomfortable doing it.
@@dbobocclutching a knife between your teeth to cut away the jammed sail…which then wraps around your rudder….
hi have you thought of having 2 forestays next to each other
My wife circumnavigated in 2008
Not a word about safty. So sad : (
:)
Geen commentaar… alleen een vraag voor de familie van Holstein: zitten of zaten er Honkballers in de familie speciaal van de Tex Town Tigers uit Enschede. Salut de Gwada
Whats the purpose of your circunavigation?
@@peterjansen7854 I mean purpose, not the action of circunavigating.
What does NZ look like. Are you going to show us.
Many airlines go there 😅
It is beautifull.Absolut put on your bucket list 😅
Niks mis jou beslissing hoor, een Furling is eigenlijk alleen handig voor dagtripjes en dat is nou net wat jij niet echt doet 😂
Although she has a well set up rig now, ideally she should have ditched the lots before starting and fitted a junk rig!
Seems an odd way to look at it, it would come down to what sail sizes you use most often i would have thought.
Not sure what you mean here. You need to be able to fly small sails on the front of the boat to safely cross oceans and you can't form decent small sails with number 1 type sail on a furler, you would need an inner forestay.
Hi ! I would be interested to know that how well does your windvane work? Especially in heavy weather and big waves. If you use the windvane do you still need to do manual tiller steering or does the windvane work without manual help in all situations? I am in the process of rethinking my downwind sailing methods (butterfly sails is the solution that I am considering at the moment) and therefore I am trying to collect some real world data about the good and bad of windvanes in different sea conditions. Thanks!
I doubt she has been in the conditions where the waves were too big. She is sailing the coconut run, not the high lats (except for this last trip but she timed it right). The waves have to get up to over 20 feet before the windvane struggles. Most never see that but those who do the non-stop around the world trips do and they said they had to use the autopilot in those conditions.
If you have a big boat, then yeah, you will need an autopilot in those conditions. If you have a small boat, then maybe considering doing something other than sailing, like heaving to or dragging a JSD would be the safer approach.
Why? Because in big storms that produce those types of waves also tend to create a rogue waves. It is easy to pitch pole or capsize if the wave is larger than the length of the boat. The wave will lift the boat up high and gravity will pull it down fast causing all kinds of problems. So if you are in a 30' boat and the waves are 20', a rogue wave would be 40' and if it hit you, it wouldn't be good. Now if you are in a 50' boat and the waves are 20', a rogue wave would be too small to cause a pitch pole but could if the conditions were right cause a capsize.
Now keep in mind, if you are just doing the coconut run, you most likely don't need to worry about any of this. If you are rounding the capes, then yeah.
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And with Hank on, you can raise two jibs / genoas at once to run down wind.
What about a Hair Roller. This would add an other dimension to your ukulele performance and not impede the boat performance.
A fok is a jib 😂
Roller furlers are absolutely the worst thing ever to come to sailing. Totally unsafe.
Why does a beautiful woman like yourself sail around the world. Are you ever you know lonely at sea. Jason Chapman
Let's getting married. I'll sail with you. 43 yrs old male with a vibrant personality. I'll make u laugh.😊
Marry me instead
She's running away from men for the good life.