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  • @veritasium
    @veritasium 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +44311

    After finishing my PhD I went to a university-led session on ‘What Comes Next.’ What I heard sounded a lot like “now, you beg for money.” It was so depressing to think about all the very clever people in that room who had worked so very hard only to find out they had no financial security and would be spending most of their days asking for money. I realized that even what I thought of as the ‘safe path’ was uncertain so I may as well go after what I truly want. That led me here.

    • @davidj4266
      @davidj4266 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1264

      This. This I had to see for myself - the money begging approach, the insecure job of 2 or 3 years and then beg for more.
      I was disheartened with this also. Having a family and the need to be secure, I took my PhD into industry rather than academia. Unfortunately, I didn’t get paid for that extra achievement and feel like I’ve never fully reached my potential. All because I couldn’t get the proper assurance behind the question of, ‘and then what?’.
      However, getting a PhD is enjoyable and certainly fulfilling. But be prepared to do something different afterwards.

    • @WhoCares-zn8gp
      @WhoCares-zn8gp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +499

      Couldn’t agree more here. I feel somewhat fortunate to have shifted my perspective in pursuing my physics PhD program as a time to learn, have fun, and then move to industry. It’s rather disheartening watching hardworking people pursue the academic dream, while making all kind of sacrifices (both personal and those related to academic politics), just to aim for a position that may or may not work out.

    • @jamskinner
      @jamskinner 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +106

      Find a job in applying your knowledge.

    • @fruz1378
      @fruz1378 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    • @vishwanathhalkeri9839
      @vishwanathhalkeri9839 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +225

      I just finished middle school and wanted to be a physicist, now I'm rethinking my dreams

  • @soggytablet4852
    @soggytablet4852 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14956

    Your willingness to call 'bullshit' by its name is one of the reasons I watch your channel. Hats off, carry on!

    • @paintspot1509
      @paintspot1509 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      Its a good way to make money.

    • @Elo-hv3fw
      @Elo-hv3fw 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paintspot1509 it's an excellent way to be truthful..

    • @Celeste-in-Oz
      @Celeste-in-Oz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +148

      Agree. My PhD was made that much harder by the need to sift thru 100’s of bullshit papers (pointless, poor quality and written simply to fish for citations) that Sabine calling it, is very satisfying!

    • @enemdisk6628
      @enemdisk6628 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      This

    • @Elo-hv3fw
      @Elo-hv3fw 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@enemdisk6628 BS is a name.
      Welcome to am. Engl

  • @mollusckscramp4124
    @mollusckscramp4124 หลายเดือนก่อน +586

    This should be a Ted Talk. This is such vital information for any graduate student to have ahead of beginning their search into PhD programmes. The reality of academia can be like a shock of ice cold water to the face. It's really inspiring to know that you achieved so much success inspite of all your adversities and the prejudice you faced, and ultimately decided you could contribute more to science from outside the system, well done!

    • @ozicryptoG
      @ozicryptoG 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      HEAR HEAR. Finally, a Ted talk worth listening to.

    • @angngocminh3830
      @angngocminh3830 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      question is
      who'd fund that

    • @BigFruity
      @BigFruity 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So that people can watch it, think to themselves "i am so smart that i watch stuff like that" only to to never think about it again?

    • @pj61114
      @pj61114 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Amen to that!❤

    • @pj61114
      @pj61114 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@angngocminh3830Good One!😂

  • @kurtiserikson7334
    @kurtiserikson7334 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

    Sabine didn’t fail, the system failed her. It’s tragic when talent and passion is squandered by broken institutions.

    • @ComsiCaterpillar
      @ComsiCaterpillar 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      the university system is stuck in the 1800's

    • @lynth
      @lynth 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It's hilarious how she made a video called "Capitalism is good." (it isn't, it's terrible) and now tells a story about how her academic career was ruined by capitalism and how her institute was about "money making" (yeah, that's capitalism for you - nevermind that sexism, like all identity-based ideology, is intricately linked to capitalism).
      Hey Sabine, how about making a video saying: "Capitalism is bad. As proven by science. And there is no evidence whatsoever to the contrary."

    • @patrickwilliam3322
      @patrickwilliam3322 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lynth And socialism is good, as proven by science? Lmao. Hundreds of millions murdered, terrible economies, plutocratic corrupt leadership masquerading as revolutionaries, uninspired artistic and cultural output, etc etc

  • @aerozg
    @aerozg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8074

    Hearing your story reminded me of that Franz Kafka quote:
    “I was ashamed of myself when I realized that life was a costume party, and I attended with my real face.” I am glad you stood your ground after all. We need more people like you, and not just in Academia.

    • @jessemalone8083
      @jessemalone8083 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +139

      Excellent quote.

    • @TymexComputing
      @TymexComputing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At the Time of Franz Kafka There were yet no socialist Euroland countries promoting some bulshit agenda , but it was starting at that time. Global democracy is a scam.

    • @Dennis-zk4bn
      @Dennis-zk4bn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Except that anyone with integrity leaves academia because it is a rotten swamp in which only shrewed and greedy people thrive... The higher up you get in the organization, the less integrity they have. Especially in the highly prestigious institutions. The corruption and self-interest is rife and little to no meaningful science is done anymore, so anyone with integrity leaves. Scientific discovery has almost completed stopped in regards to large discoveries because research there isn't profitable...

    • @networknomad5600
      @networknomad5600 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

      There's no good reason to wear a mask and lose your integrity. You can use your actual self, you just need to know your boundaries and have actual confidence.

    • @thebearded4427
      @thebearded4427 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

      Any business or undertaking these days is a emotional marathon, and anyone who puts their real self on the starting line will lose the emotionally draining commitment. Kinda the whole reason emotionally dettached people are more successful and why it seems like no one cares in business meetings.

  • @Tubeytime
    @Tubeytime 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10798

    The real tragedy is that you almost didn't post this video. People NEED to know what kind of world we live in. This was more valuable than 99% of commencement speeches.

    • @skippy6086
      @skippy6086 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +148

      I gave up physics to become an electrician. ZERO REGRETS. 👍

    • @mutantmagnet
      @mutantmagnet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      This has always bothered me when I heard about people with masters degree doing work vastly different from what they worked so hard for and I was left wondering most of the time, how is this happening. This was very illuminating and I'm seething.

    • @estherstepansky5256
      @estherstepansky5256 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      @@skippy6086 I need an electrician frequently which is why I became one too. I have never needed a physicist and one reason I opted not to study it in college despite it being fascinating.

    • @MrCesarification
      @MrCesarification 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      No offense, but she did a video on why capitalism is awesome not long ago. Many of us have been saying this for years. This is not news to LOTS of people.

    • @minoc2
      @minoc2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      agreed

  • @beelzebob23
    @beelzebob23 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +137

    I am so glad you posted this video. It is not "too much." It is SPOT-ON. Thank you for speaking out.

    • @saratippey769
      @saratippey769 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's the patriarchal lie that women/BIPOC are "too much" because they spoke up at all.

  • @joeroggenbeck8444
    @joeroggenbeck8444 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    We are proud of you Sabine! You are making a difference. Thank You for changing our views and our lives.

  • @kevind.mccarthy2450
    @kevind.mccarthy2450 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13304

    Thank you for sharing Sabine, we love you!

    • @martacollell
      @martacollell 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

      Yeah!! we do! ;))

    • @jrodgers33
      @jrodgers33 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

      My thoughts exactly!!

    • @arnoutsmit8951
      @arnoutsmit8951 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      Me too ❤

    • @user-oi5nu2nn7p
      @user-oi5nu2nn7p 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +102

      Thank you Sabine! You are a great educator and human being.

    • @memegazer
      @memegazer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I want to push back that it's not token capitualation that results in the glass ceiling for women.
      And programs that require diversity and representation do not reenforce outdated world views, but I respect feeling frustrated that they are not a comprohensive solution either.
      I refuse to take away the victories of civil rights champions of the past that forced the hand for those capitulations, even if there is still more work left to do.

  • @B76SkyWarrior
    @B76SkyWarrior 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3296

    As a grad student, I had a professor plagiarize an entire term paper of mine which he used as a chapter in his book. My complaint to him and the department fell on deaf ears. I was told that my worked belonged to the professor because all grad work belonged to the professor who taught me. What a bunch of garbage.

    • @Greengeist05
      @Greengeist05 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +318

      Holy Sh!t… does this mean that plagiarism is a feature and not a bug of the academic landscape?!?!🤬😳

    • @freshmanenglishhelp
      @freshmanenglishhelp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

      Did you get any credit/mention in References as a contributing graduate student?

    • @AnotherEmi
      @AnotherEmi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

      That's absolutely crazy! Surely that would be illegal??

    • @taylermontgomery2004
      @taylermontgomery2004 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +128

      My University (as most in America) expels fraudulent plagiarists, but I've never heard of professors being fired for the same reason. Do you have a link to your original publication online for us to compare his book to?

    • @B76SkyWarrior
      @B76SkyWarrior 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      @@freshmanenglishhelp None at all

  • @malcolmplumridge2367
    @malcolmplumridge2367 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    You're a genius. I've heard this story so many times. I first heard it in 1980, and then again last year from a Cambridge mathematician and scientist who drinks in my local pub. I tell you what, my love, you're as beautiful as Schubert's songs.

  • @jjrossphd
    @jjrossphd 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    You have a great job in science. You are an excellent teacher - nothing finer. You enrich people's minds and will be remembered.

  • @ApprendreSansNecessite
    @ApprendreSansNecessite 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3083

    My jaw dropped. That was a very powerful testimony.

    • @user-ec3rm9wr1n
      @user-ec3rm9wr1n 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Hahaha we exist 😂😂😂 .....

    • @meisbackforever
      @meisbackforever 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@user-ec3rm9wr1nwho?

    • @andersfant4997
      @andersfant4997 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      No real news though.. Its how it works

    • @EvgeniBelin
      @EvgeniBelin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@andersfant4997 this may be obvious to insiders. But it was news to me

    • @user-ec3rm9wr1n
      @user-ec3rm9wr1n 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@andersfant4997 if you were trans and rich and your father is billionaire things would be different

  • @bedlambreakfast5548
    @bedlambreakfast5548 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1931

    "He got angry, and I laughed at him..."
    I love it.

    • @lukewest4691
      @lukewest4691 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    • @SF-fb6lv
      @SF-fb6lv 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      My respect for you hit a new high when I heard you say that!

    • @josephjanitorius797
      @josephjanitorius797 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      My admiration for Sabine shot up 10-fold when she said that (and it was already very high)! I wish more people had her guts.

    • @luizamaralphd
      @luizamaralphd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Probably the most german part of this video. Loved it.

    • @Pcarnevaaa
      @Pcarnevaaa 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Literally iconic

  • @PaulSmith-mt8xw
    @PaulSmith-mt8xw 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    You are a legend Sabine. This is so informative!!

  • @richardfry9991
    @richardfry9991 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Brilliant video. Your comic timing is legendary, thank you Sabine.

  • @moc5541
    @moc5541 หลายเดือนก่อน +820

    I am PhDed in physics, from a highly reputable US university. I can assure you that her claims about how academia works--- the grad students and postdocs doing all of the work, the paper mill aspect, the huge overhead, etc.--- are entirely correct.

    • @user-pb2mn7go2p
      @user-pb2mn7go2p 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      and I though it was a feature specific only to the Russian university I studied in.

    • @Overlord176
      @Overlord176 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      As a 15 year old in America, screw the education systen

    • @justchary
      @justchary 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Suppose you have done PhD, will it give you any advantage when going to industry?
      It could be a possible carrier path: get PhD, get tick in the box, then go do something else.

    • @moc5541
      @moc5541 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      @@justchary The only circumstances under which that has worked well, for the PhDs, that I can think of, involved PhDs in electrical engineering or computer programming or the like. Certain Silicon Valley companies had a corporate culture that valued PhDs highly. But others didn't.

    • @XRGisXIN
      @XRGisXIN 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Hi, my name is Curtis Smith. I earned an electrical engineering degree from UC Riverside and I am published in The Genetics Society of America. My background is Navy. I truly appreciate a kindred spirit. I would very much like to teach at Harvey Mudd (Claremont Colleges in Pasadena). I have classmates who work at JPL. My reputation is good. It is the economy’s fault, not academia, that money is king. I am ceaselessly working with others to put academic professionals in control of this country instead of lawyers and clergy. I will win.

  • @Walter-Montalvo
    @Walter-Montalvo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1568

    Not too much, it is just right and honest. Don’t ever change!

    • @SabineHossenfelder
      @SabineHossenfelder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +286

      Thank you from the entire team!

    • @chronixchaos7081
      @chronixchaos7081 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Well done you.

    • @Quagoo
      @Quagoo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Given the system appears to be so broken, and given it’s the people’s money at work, what could the people do to demand change? Does this have to stay broken forever?

    • @ConwayBob
      @ConwayBob 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      @@Quagoo -- Excellent questions! To which I humbly add one more: Is the academic establishment even worth trying to fix, or do we need to replace it with something better?

    • @siraaron4462
      @siraaron4462 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      ​@@Quagoospreading awareness helps. (Knowing is half the battle) But I've seen various proposals that would change the incentive structure to support good science; rather than Shitposting in scientific journals for grants.
      As for how to get people to adopt these new incentives? I think things will have to get worse before they get better. People are going to keep doing things just the way they are until they can't anymore.

  • @PaulJorion007
    @PaulJorion007 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Sabine, many many thanks for having posted your video. It is a powerfful testimony, and I know from my own exprience that it is 100% true.

  • @ellinakharatyan929
    @ellinakharatyan929 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

    Sabine described my frustartions with the academia very well, I could not do it better. My run away route was research department within the industry, where the knowledge delivery and applied ressearch are appreciated. The fact that the reaserach can be used (implemented) makes asuch a huge positive difference for my own sanity. Thanks for your honesty.

  • @user-mu5yq7wq4y
    @user-mu5yq7wq4y 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9013

    Dear Sabine, No, you have not failed. That you're not doing the "bs" scientific works doesn't mean that your dream of becoming a scientist failed. You're one of the best scientific minds, and your contribution to the field shouldn't be underestimated. You succeeded. Your dream is being materialized in a bit unique but beautiful way.

    • @SabineHossenfelder
      @SabineHossenfelder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2388

      Thanks for the kind words, really appreciate that. It makes it all worthwhile. ❤️

    • @GenXCoder
      @GenXCoder 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +326

      Yes Sabine, please keep challenging the status quo and hopefully we will return to caring about true scientific inquiry and not how to milk grant money to stuff institution's pockets.

    • @djbabbotstown
      @djbabbotstown 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

      I hope you’re making some of them youtube bucks at least Sabine. Keep em coming.

    • @dinninfreeman2014
      @dinninfreeman2014 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +211

      ​@@SabineHossenfelderit sounds to me that the academics failed you

    • @paulmichaelfreedman8334
      @paulmichaelfreedman8334 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the greedy swines get their claws into everything, they don't care about what goes on, they are just there for the $$$. And as usual, literally everything and everyone else suffers.

  • @soroosha
    @soroosha 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4484

    That's exactly why I never went back to academia after my master's. It was all about what to do to get that extra grant. Everyone (including myself) was writing bullshit to get grants. I used to want to become a scientist since I was a child. The reality killed that dream for me too... I totally get it.

    • @Joker22593
      @Joker22593 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +945

      Same here. Publishing has so much metagaming, that it's not producing good work. My thesis adviser told me to split my paper up into 3-5 papers, publish them separately and have them all cite each other to inflate my impact numbers. I knew academia was bullshit as soon as that was suggested.

    • @SabineHossenfelder
      @SabineHossenfelder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +854

      You did the right thing.

    • @irifhir
      @irifhir 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +314

      The institutions are failing, and in order to save the scientific knowledge to go down with it, we need people teaching straight to the public, and not only the raw science, but all the epistemological nuances around it. You are a brave and inspiring person! Thanks ❤

    • @bootstraphan6204
      @bootstraphan6204 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

      When the questions you want to find answers to (buy doing science) collide with "will said answers make line go up?"
      Will your quest to unlock the mysteries of the universe be profitable? Isn't as much "reality" as it is "Capitalism".
      You, as an individual, might have as much luck changing the laws of physics as you would changing the effects that Capitalism (specifically the profit motive) has on doing science.🤷‍♂️

    • @StefanLopuszanski
      @StefanLopuszanski 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +119

      But what's the alternative that already exists? Universities have huge issues but they still do focus on topics you'd never see a fully commercialized industry indulge. It is an evil but a lesser evil. What else is there?

  • @MollyMiaow
    @MollyMiaow 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I am so sorry for your struggle and heartbreak. But I am so grateful for the knowledge and wisdom that you share with the rest of us in your TH-cam videos.

  • @huwprice881
    @huwprice881 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    My son worked hard at school and got brilliant grades. He went to Cambridge and read Natural Sciences. In his last year he worked within Astrophysics, and in spite of COVID and it's disruptive effect on his second and third year, he got his Masters. His mum and I didn't go to university and we were (are!) immensely proud of him. We assumed he'd do a PhD and ease into a life in Academia, thinking great thoughts and forgetting to tuck his shirt in. It was a shock when he said 'no!', he'd done enough and he saw the future and didn't like it, much as he loved Astrophysics. I thought he was mad, but now I see he was simply wise, analytical, and sensible. Thank you for helping me see the light, and I'm sorry Academia failed you, and presumably many others too.

  • @rwarren58
    @rwarren58 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2622

    A bit too much? Perhaps the best video of the year. Thank you for being you, Sabine. - Sacramento, USA

    • @lucassiccardi8764
      @lucassiccardi8764 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      Best video in the channel, IMO.

    • @eclectictech
      @eclectictech 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Bringing the issues to light is one small step towards the possibility of changing them in the future.

    • @legbert123
      @legbert123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      She has been promoting this channel for years dont listen to the narrative she is pushing. She has been ALL about being a youtuber for years now for sure her work has dropped off look at the amount of time she puts in this channel!

    • @legbert123
      @legbert123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you sweet summer child@@eclectictech

    • @legbert123
      @legbert123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      A bit too much? this is the worst example of a video this year. Sabine has been pushing this channel at the expense if actual research for years now any science realeated issue on this channel is fraught with innaccurate information and borderline lies.

  • @Catcherinthecorn
    @Catcherinthecorn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +486

    I love your honesty. My brother got a PhD in theoretical physics from an Ivy League university and he felt the same way you do. He left academia a while ago and works in software now, but he still does his physics and math research every day in his spare time. I admire him a lot.

    • @tatjana7008
      @tatjana7008 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      And thats why number of patents in Western countries decreased in last years. Chinese mastered it team work long time ago and thrive because of it, while here its all divide and conquer of talented motivated people

    • @Lavabug
      @Lavabug 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@tatjana7008 What? US issued patents are a historic high. Also the number of patents issued has zero connection with fundamental physics research - the measure is peer reviewed publications.

    • @tatjana7008
      @tatjana7008 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@Lavabug first of all, Sabine is not from US, she tells about experience in Germany and Europe. Second, number of confirmed patents is much important then applications, and China leads there. Third, science is interconnected and discoveries in fundamental physics might influence practical applications as well. Thats why I do theoretical computer science, because it can influence every branch of science.
      About papers and publications, many chairs in my university interconnected with industry, and they often end up in patents.

    • @allan710
      @allan710 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I also left academia, I really didn't like the way it works.

    • @Lavabug
      @Lavabug 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@tatjana7008 The US issues more utilities patents than any other country, and many Chinese enterprises seek US patents as well. Practical applications have little to do with fundamental science, they are an accident. If you're using patent number to measure scientific progress, you have no knowledge of how science works or what counts as innovation. Patents only measure commercial products, not the generation of knowledge which far outpaces what patents indicate (I am a former patent examiner).

  • @grassulargranite
    @grassulargranite 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +80

    I’m a Bachelors in Fine Art, Focus in Painting. I suck at math. I can’t remember any science I learn, but you communicated so well in this video that I absolutely see you, feel your pain and am rooting for you.

    • @thehantavirus
      @thehantavirus 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      i had a bs cmb, i sucked at chemistry, and physics. i think alot of these courses have way too much info for one semester, and it just sets up some people for failure.

  • @tmccandrew
    @tmccandrew 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I’m so glad you’re here and not in academia. I’ve quite a few people about you including my father-in-law who’s a retired physicist. However, his interest lately has been auto repair videos.

  • @maritrnning5357
    @maritrnning5357 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +958

    I just loved it when you said NO to work for that professor, THATS what I call true integrity 🤩

    • @Broken_robot1986
      @Broken_robot1986 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Yeah big balls for that, props.

    • @pimpilikaa
      @pimpilikaa 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Broken_robot1986 yes, pukaaluwo

    • @LaplacianDalembertian
      @LaplacianDalembertian 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Science is Dead, only China and Russia care about it.

    • @BasilAbdef
      @BasilAbdef หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How is that integrity? It was simply saying no to extra, unpaid work. Integrity would be if she were the professor, in a position to take advantage of her own set of PhDs, and then said no to the system. She was standing up for herself, yes, but integrity had nothing to do with it.

    • @weqe2278
      @weqe2278 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well he didn't hire her, did he?

  • @GaynorOFlynn
    @GaynorOFlynn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2492

    With 1.2M subscribers you have a real job! A real role, a real voice to teach what ever you want to teach! Genius!

    • @eoinoconnell185
      @eoinoconnell185 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

      Yep. The funny thing is, she has more subscribers & viewers than most TV shows.
      Highly successful.

    • @Frolova3434
      @Frolova3434 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      That’s certainly more attention than papers get

    • @CrimeaRiver
      @CrimeaRiver 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Until, of course, TH-cam shuts her channel down for some obscure reason.

    • @molybdaenmornell123hopp5
      @molybdaenmornell123hopp5 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ​@CrimeaRiver But people have heard of her now.

    • @mackyj7801
      @mackyj7801 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Yes her brand imagine is valuable, once you get to her level on TH-cam, type of content ,influence tv networks come chasing you.

  • @wingrider1004
    @wingrider1004 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Everyone should start their day by sitting down with Sabine for coffee, so that you can get your head on straight before heading out for the day.

    • @Thomas-gk42
      @Thomas-gk42 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So true.

  • @user-sq4qq8ne4e
    @user-sq4qq8ne4e 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks Sabine, for the honest testimony. I am in my sixties now, and for long I asked myself why I turned my back to the academic world. You confirmed my suspicions that the goal is not to explore daring boundaries of our knowledge, but feeding a system, despite some progress is achieved almost as a side effect.

  • @donaldquicke547
    @donaldquicke547 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4085

    I am a professor but totally understand the terrible rat race. i was once writing an academic book (rather well known one now) but my HoD knocked on my office door one day and told me that the university didn't value scholarship any more. i retired as soon as was financially able to, and moved to Thailand. never been back. Take care, Donald

    • @esecallum
      @esecallum 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thailand? is that not a dangerousplaceto be for a white man?

    • @memyselfandi8544
      @memyselfandi8544 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sawasdi kap. You and Sab have stumbled into the invisible walls of a technological house of cards. Science is supposed to be a process of discovery where we chose the most accurate way to describe observations, but that depends on who “we” are. We are not what you think we are. We are more like the subjects of the virtual world in the Matrix. Controlled with lies and a brilliant characterization of the world, however, it is built essentially on lies. We struggle not against the flesh, but against spiritual principalities in heaven and hell. It’s all about control, this world. God is. Choke di, farang.

    • @elbuggo
      @elbuggo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +207

      RE: the university didn't value scholarship any more
      I guess they are looking for foundations for their latest propaganda projects. Research is subordinate to policy. Findings that are contrary to their policies, or their imagined ideal world, is not appreciated.

    • @fantabuloussnuffaluffagus
      @fantabuloussnuffaluffagus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +163

      @@ibubezi7685 I always get a kick out of people who loudly proclaim "all the scientists agree on climate change", as if science was a democracy and the facts should actually care what scientists think.

    • @newforestobservatory9322
      @newforestobservatory9322 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

      Hi Donald - no they do not value scholarship AT ALL. They only value money. I too was a Professor, and I too managed to get out of the pit early. Every day since has been like being on holiday.

  • @cesarmenor-salvan9535
    @cesarmenor-salvan9535 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +975

    As a scientist struggling with the broken academic science system, I resonate with all that she said and it's totally spot on

    • @johnboze
      @johnboze 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Start with some real science and you will NO LONGER STRUGGLE: Vacuum Ambient EM Field Dipole Theory aka Quantum Inertial Dipole Theory aka Graviton Theory aka Dark Mass / Energy Theory aka Vacuum Zero Point Energy Theory aka PLANCK PARTICLE THEORY is T.O.E. postulated by the Germans and brought to fruition by US DoD via Defense Contractors like Lockheed that solved TOE so the Pentagon gave them cart blanche on CASH to designed and build working Quantum Field Densification Drives aka HFGWGs and they solved during technical material science issues during SDI STAR WARS Weapons Programs of the 1980s and 90s and the result is "UAPs" aka Hypersonic Weapons in the news for years! Work EM FIELD DRIVES have been flying for MORE THAN 4 DECADES! Now You Know Too! #FiringRoom1

    • @casualnerdjason6678
      @casualnerdjason6678 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      When I was a grad student, I saw how the brilliant, wonderful postdocs were worn down. Not by their bosses or their science, but by the system. And after 4+ years as postdocs, they were still earning less than brand new public school teachers.
      We love our science but have to make a living, too.

    • @justbeegreen
      @justbeegreen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      It’s the same for public school teachers - the system burns a human out.

    • @elonever.2.071
      @elonever.2.071 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@casualnerdjason6678
      You have the background for understanding physics now you need to take your knowledge to the edgy side of physics that is making great strides in understanding the workings of our reality. Materialism is as dead as the Big Bang is now. The new frontier is of a Conscious Universe where observation collapses the wave function into particles and atoms which creates matter as we have seen over and over again in the double slit experiments. Good luck on your journey. Remember it is always better to abandon a sinking ship early rather than later.

    • @shidiskas
      @shidiskas 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Its also my story!

  • @pigbillyoyo
    @pigbillyoyo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I am so happy you posted this video.
    This completely echoes my thoughts.

  • @stevel.2458
    @stevel.2458 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you Sabine, your honesty is an inspiration!

  • @lowelllarsen5947
    @lowelllarsen5947 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +708

    Got fired from a job you didn’t have!
    What a world we live in!

    • @suestreet9934
      @suestreet9934 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      I’ve had a rejection letter for a position I never applied for. I wish now that I’d kept it.

    • @dgalicen2876
      @dgalicen2876 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Now THAT'S a badge of honor to wear proudly! And so is your astuteness in pointing it out. 😊

    • @kadmow
      @kadmow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@suestreet9934 -I got an approval for a gambling licence I didn't apply for - lol...

    • @segevstormlord3713
      @segevstormlord3713 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Power-tripping is extremely common in academia.

    • @Zen_Power
      @Zen_Power 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Should have reported to him to hr and have him dismissed.

  • @sercem7314
    @sercem7314 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1752

    "I am failed", something we rarely hear on social media, while everyone tells success stories here. Bold statement

    • @gregh5061
      @gregh5061 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

      Hi failed, I'm dad

    • @Noqtis
      @Noqtis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@gregh5061 Hi dad and failed, I'm Sigma DeLigma

    • @aliceglass828
      @aliceglass828 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      failed is a bold statement indeed given she has a phd and raised two children

    • @gregh5061
      @gregh5061 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      @@aliceglass828 people have different standards for success I suppose. You could have two noble prizes but if your goal was to cure cancer and you failed, you'd consider yourself a failure, I guess.

    • @aliceglass828
      @aliceglass828 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gregh5061 no shit sherlock

  • @nsharia
    @nsharia หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Brilliant! Thank you Sabine

  • @MarmeladovYa
    @MarmeladovYa 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I quit my PhD after the first semester because I couldn’t pull it iff. Full time job was … well… full time, and I wasn’t strong enough to keep going. So - my hat is off to you! Keep on pushing!!

  • @landondyer
    @landondyer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1107

    My dad was a scientist, and I watched his constant struggle with politics and funding. He had a stress-related heart attack at 50; he survived it, but was never the same afterwards.

    • @womenwelove
      @womenwelove 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      it's sad that happened to your dad

    • @asia1174
      @asia1174 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      “Was”, did he retire or quit? And I’m sorry your dad was out through that kind of stress..

    • @margarethamaartje3716
      @margarethamaartje3716 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That is so sad! Im so sorry for your dad

    • @binbows2258
      @binbows2258 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@margarethamaartje3716 perhaps he died.

    • @imeldahaloho4798
      @imeldahaloho4798 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I'm sorry for your dad! Hope his heart recovering and he takes care of himself better. Nothing is more precious than our health, not even our job or idealism.

  • @illinois_b
    @illinois_b 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +257

    Perhaps the most honest and refreshing video I’ve ever seen on TH-cam.
    Thank you for sharing.

  • @thanoskaukaletos
    @thanoskaukaletos 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thankfully you posted this video. It was not too much. It feels nice confirming what I discovered or suspected so far but everyone considers normal.

  • @ghostrider82599
    @ghostrider82599 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    And now youre a star! and starring in a role that really helps people..
    Youre educating millions and doing it with style and wit...
    shine on!

  • @angelicarosegalvan
    @angelicarosegalvan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1597

    Hi Sabine, I’m a third year PhD student in bioengineering and I just want to say thanks for making this video. You’re the only person who I’ve heard describe exactly how I feel about academia. My dream has died too and most of the time I feel crazy because no one else seems to feel the same way, but thank you for making me feel less alone. You are brave and lovable ❤️

    • @SamRossman
      @SamRossman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Same, while it sucks I hope you also value that you figured it out early in your academic career and not a decade and a half later….

    • @ramseygo121
      @ramseygo121 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      damn I'm just about to go into bioengineering😭

    • @takoja507
      @takoja507 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      All this makes me happy that I'm "just" a practical nurse (as we call it here in Finland) and never had the drive for academy studies. I'm in a job that I really like and enjoy, even tho money ain't great, no stress etc at all tho :)

    • @thierryfaquet7405
      @thierryfaquet7405 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      @@ramseygo121 it's fine, but do it for industry, not academia.

    • @calamitysangfroid2407
      @calamitysangfroid2407 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I'm in my second year of an evolution/genetics PhD. My lab group and the biology faculty is pretty communal and this sentiment of cynicism is common around us. We're kind of aware this is all one big passion project, and some of us might become rockstars but others are like those Disney channel celebrities who disappear after 5 years and show up working at a small town car dealership. Not sure if anyone's actually considering continuing in academia. A lot are looking at industry or government employment (our department is marine and conservation biology, in a country where seafood and agriculture are major exports).

  • @aronrad
    @aronrad 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +532

    A video that ends with I’m not sure I will post this, is the one that needs to be posted. And we the internet are glad you did! Go Sabine!

    • @hittitecharioteer
      @hittitecharioteer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ✅🙏🏻

    • @mmille10
      @mmille10 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Well, given the censorship and meting out of punishments, even by governments, for "saying the wrong things" online, which she may be aware of, I get the concern she has, but my guess is that this discussion would not get her in trouble. It doesn't directly prod any politically protected sacred cows (not yet, anyway).

    • @krishnapartha
      @krishnapartha 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yes.

    • @user-lz6dm5lk9y
      @user-lz6dm5lk9y 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Amen!

    • @umitertin4932
      @umitertin4932 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I am glad this was not another unfinished symphony.

  • @kranmaster
    @kranmaster 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    As someone entering into a Master's program (in a different field) with visions of completing a PhD, this is precisely the kind of anecdotal experience/information that is crucial to making some pretty major decisions, so thank you for producing and sharing this. And, don't worry; you're not discouraging anyone from following a path in academia, you're providing important context.

  • @MachholzMachholz
    @MachholzMachholz 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I have always thought physics and chemistry are not taught concretely.Your approach is a lot more fun and your sprinkling of wit has clinched my membership! Please continue to be as humble and honest as you come across and we will grow Old together 👀✌️

  • @Radhaugo108
    @Radhaugo108 หลายเดือนก่อน +1464

    I’m in Archaeology, we literally have to wait for textbook “experts” to die in order to get any chance of progressing new academic fields. For example, we couldn’t decode the Maya script for decades because the so called experts suggested instead it was just zodiac symbolism. After they died, a kid in the late 90’s finally decoded the script and we can now read Mayan written records.

    • @augustdice3914
      @augustdice3914 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

      A lot of fields in academia are “I get a job when someone dies” but archeology has to be pretty far up there! It’s such a shame that we either get too much young blood, like we saw in tech…. Or no new blood, like academia.

    • @mikesmith1817
      @mikesmith1817 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

      Planck's Principle that (paraphrased) science progresses one funeral at a time certainly seems to apply.

    • @Radhaugo108
      @Radhaugo108 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@mikesmith1817 🤣

    • @lorenzo121191
      @lorenzo121191 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

      to be fair waiting for the big guys to die really sounds like archaeology xD

    • @alexisgs8800
      @alexisgs8800 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@lorenzo121191 hahaha good one

  • @Arcgateway
    @Arcgateway 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +534

    And it's the story of a successful science educator who touched millions and made the world a slightly better place. Thank you, Sabine.

  • @theorenhobart
    @theorenhobart 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    having the ability to allow many people who don't have a background in Physics to understand more about topics in Physics is not a failure, Dktr Sabine. it is a huge win for human kind. i know you wanted to change the system from the inside but maybe the system is too far gone. so we pivot to changing it from the outside. :)

  • @torsteneide4915
    @torsteneide4915 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Fuck no that was perfect! Lucky for all of us that you had the drive to pursue this career on TH-cam. Thank you for your Witt l, your humour and for doing something important for so many. Every time I watch your videos my life is in some small way a little bit better for it. I can’t say that about very many other TH-cam channels. Thank you so much for all you do and thank you for sharing your story.
    It’s important to share your story because otherwise the possibility of effecting a change for others that may be following behind you might not ever change.
    Bravo Sabine! Hats off to you!

  • @ref8893
    @ref8893 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +246

    As a father of daughter with a phd, so much of this rings true..... thumbs up !!

  • @kgipe
    @kgipe 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +239

    This level of honesty is why I follow your channel. Thank you for sharing your story.

    • @legbert123
      @legbert123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The truth is she has spent all her time and effort into a you tube channel.

  • @jeremyr62
    @jeremyr62 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Outstanding description of the futility of academic research. Well done.

  • @evotoadracekartscars.6738
    @evotoadracekartscars.6738 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Well im just a retired mechanic and I enjoy your sessions.
    Chin up, were with you.

  • @HHPS419
    @HHPS419 หลายเดือนก่อน +423

    Phd in Biology from USA here. This is a universal problem, and I needed to hear this. Thank you.

    • @johndoull2766
      @johndoull2766 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Welcome to the world of academia and "higher education". It is not about education and enlightenment. It is an INDUSTRY.

    • @augustdice3914
      @augustdice3914 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Very true! The problem is education as a commodity and not as a service. It is fair to say that ALL educational pursuits should not be given full respect simply due to being “educational”, but when your career is more about justifying the very existence of your work, and not actually the work itself, the entire purpose becomes moot.
      I remember when I started my masters in counseling, I approached my advisor about what getting a doctorate would do towards helping my chances with being more research focused and he did this sad little laugh. “Getting your doctorate is only useful if you want to be a college professor or you want private schools to think you are smart; getting research grants, being allowed to do studies, and getting them published is all about who you know and how you ask, the money men don’t care about your actual knowledge”
      And on a fundamental level I always knew this, but hearing it really did hit different.

    • @HackersSun
      @HackersSun หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Honestly I haven't hit even my associate's degree in physics because life has been shit to me the last 12 years, but I always felt like that
      they spent too much time for making me remember my stuff in my classes then questioning the physics and why it works for various things

    • @Xenoyer
      @Xenoyer หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It seems like the universal problem isn't restricted to academia. I wager that versions of this same problem plague people in every industry and at every level of education.

    • @tsdobbi
      @tsdobbi หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep an ex girlfriend got a PhD in Microbiology and struggled to get decent paying employment. She ended up going back to school and becoming a dentist.

  • @Mavendow
    @Mavendow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +426

    Glad you left the ending in; that sums up everything you said in one sentence. _"Societal pressures too often make me unable to speak, but here at least I can choose what I say."_

    • @berniv7375
      @berniv7375 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      This is by far your most brilliant video.❤

    • @07Flash11MRC
      @07Flash11MRC 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      That conclusion is no true. YT's terms and the algorithms decide what you can and can't say and or write on this platform.

    • @penponds
      @penponds 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We will in fact, never know if Sabine can actually choose what she can say on TH-cam until the point she get’s regularly de-monetised or de-platformed.
      Rumble is where she’d be if in fact she did want to comment in a non-TH-cam compliant way.
      Sabine is simply just operating in a field that is less socio-politically contentious.
      She’s far too intelligent to imagine her sitting in Plato’s cage with her back to the light, which makes that final statement very puzzling. Rather than underscoring her position, it undermines the viewer’s confidence that she truly understands the assaults on freedom of thought and expression and journalistic investigation that so very very many are experiencing right now.

    • @kadmow
      @kadmow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@07Flash11MRC - edit that comment, to make it say what you intended... ??

    • @Racistobama
      @Racistobama 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The fact that this statement is apparently no longer in the video is incredibly suspicious. I assume Sabine was either was forced to edit it or did so out of concern that those "societal pressures" were going to come to bear on her.

  • @KODxDDD
    @KODxDDD 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for posting this video. Glad to see more people thinking like me out there. I do feel like I'm a strangers between my colleagues. And yes, good ideas are only good if they fit into the current trend.

  • @jerril42
    @jerril42 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +711

    You have not failed, "The System" is failing us all. Thank you Sabine for trying to broaden our horizons. Hopefully this brave outreach will start some meaningful conversation.

    • @mehranshargh
      @mehranshargh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The sad part is that "the system" is made up of us, the academic people. We prioritize money, greed, and power, and in turn, make the life of other lower-level people miserable. Then, we blame "the system".

    • @ChaplainDMK
      @ChaplainDMK 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Same with NGO's honestly. A lot of people, social sciences degrees and similar stuff, who are so passionate to work with communities, with underpriviliged people, to try to approach existing issues with new techniques, are absolutely annihilated by the grant-money procedure. Just write billions of pages of bullshit, measure absolute irrelevant stats, write mind-numbing reports, and end up wasting 75% of your energy and time on all of this, and only 25% actually doing what you want to do and are actually applying for funding.

    • @GEMSofGOD_com
      @GEMSofGOD_com 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The really important part is that forum cretins will keep parroting "Peer reviews!" when such "trusted" institutions don't even have the minimal digital literacy, and I mean Harvards, too. Total rebuilding of scholarship is inevitable.

    • @BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp
      @BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Go for a PhD in "The Art of Sustainable Bullshit" and you will be a winner.

    • @mehranshargh
      @mehranshargh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The sad part is that the system is made up of us, the academic people; we prioritize money, greed, and power, and in turn, make the life of other lower-level people miserable. Then, we blame the system.

  • @michaelrogers4834
    @michaelrogers4834 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +417

    Sadly, your diagnosis of the problems with academic research institutions is spot on.

    • @Lamarth1
      @Lamarth1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Actually, it's worse than that. There are other parts of the system that she hasn't yet looked at closely enough to realise how rotten they are. Most people don't reset their expectations for the parts they can't see to keep in line with the parts they can.

    • @johndor7793
      @johndor7793 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Lamarth1 what parts?

    • @paintspot1509
      @paintspot1509 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@Lamarth1 nonsense

    • @darkmatter21_xx
      @darkmatter21_xx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@johndor7793gotta be a flat earther or something Lol

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johndor7793 For instance the Perpetuum Mobile that allows scientific publishers to generate revenue from thin air.

  • @entangledcom
    @entangledcom 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for speaking out.
    Unfortunately things will not change, because those who benefit most are the ones in charge.

  • @simonburrows
    @simonburrows 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +661

    The wrong incentives always lead to the wrong results. Thanks for calling this out!

    • @SabineHossenfelder
      @SabineHossenfelder  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

      Thanks from the entire team!

    • @eddierayvanlynch6133
      @eddierayvanlynch6133 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Well said, Simon. Sad, but well said.

    • @ksenobite
      @ksenobite 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, spending days in YT 😂then playing victim card because life isn't easy. But she's not the only one, YT star physicists love to shine, but end up bitter and angry since they don't hand out Nobel prizes for clicks. And calling others bs (the terrible system that gave you free education) is easy, not so easy when its own

    • @orionbetelgeuse1937
      @orionbetelgeuse1937 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      now we can talk about how a certain "99% consensus" about some stuff involving the climate was obtained

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@orionbetelgeuse1937 If you question the "99% consensus" you can easily estimate the chance of getting a proposal accepted. :-)

  • @cwantuch
    @cwantuch 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +234

    Best video ever! Your honesty and integrity is greatly appreciated by your audience!

  • @BronDunbar
    @BronDunbar 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    As a secondary school educator, I am so grateful for your words. In academia, I thought seriously about going after a phd, but saw the underlying issues you mention. And I am a musician not a scientist. The ancient structure of education must be renovated at every level!

    • @txspacemom765
      @txspacemom765 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      We are twins! I decided to just keep teaching, my Masters is good enough, moved over to tech education this past year and I am now taking classes for fun- ceramics, art history, literature- the things that I love now.

  • @dominiquejasperson900
    @dominiquejasperson900 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This was brave and helpful. Thank you so much for sharing your story.

  • @icelandhouse
    @icelandhouse 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +228

    F**ing brilliant. This just elevated Sabine and her channel to another level for me. And I will venture to say- for many others as well.

    • @nagualdesign
      @nagualdesign 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      100%

    • @petestanton1945
      @petestanton1945 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      absolutely. not surprised, but wow ya. This is a big moment.

    • @shackusratus
      @shackusratus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed

    • @vincentzevecke4578
      @vincentzevecke4578 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She is beyond brilliant

  • @selohcin
    @selohcin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +873

    "The moment you put people into big institutions, the goal shifts from knowledge discovery to money-making" is the key quote of this video.

    • @Frank-ej8hd
      @Frank-ej8hd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      No, the goal shifts to "sustain the institution (aka bureaucracy)".

    • @jmanwild87
      @jmanwild87 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      @@Frank-ej8hd which mostly involves making money to be fair

    • @JediYutu
      @JediYutu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Uh Sabine, pensions and health benefits, are very important to "normal" American working ppl too. 😂

    • @kingofsiamgt
      @kingofsiamgt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I disagree, everything on earth is about making money in some form, so this statement is quite anodyne. There is something else going on in academia besides greed - proof is that everyone who works there is poor.

    • @leahsander5490
      @leahsander5490 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      - Sabine "Capitalism is good, actually" Hossenfelder.
      One more example of why natural scientists would be well served to occasionally listen to a social scientist.

  • @rc4361
    @rc4361 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts. I truly appreciate you😊

  • @Grassdancer-ib2lw
    @Grassdancer-ib2lw วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My son has a PhD from Cambridge in Cosmology. I thought he'd stay on and continue with science, but his words were 'I want to make a real difference in this world'. He chose to go into consultancy.

  • @drtmvoss
    @drtmvoss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +496

    I am glad you posted the video! As a female academic approaching retirement (and not with a pension), I can definitely relate to what you experienced. With 24,614 comments as of my posting, it is unlikely that you will see this, but THANK YOU.

    • @swingambassador
      @swingambassador 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Sorry about your pension

    • @82jp
      @82jp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I see you and you deserve better

    • @eroraf8637
      @eroraf8637 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I see you.

    • @mollusckscramp4124
      @mollusckscramp4124 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I see you as well!

  • @regular-joe
    @regular-joe 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +133

    SO glad you decided to post this video after all. THANK YOU for sharing your story.

  • @pradyumnarahul
    @pradyumnarahul 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm now reconsidering my intermediary milestone of a PhD. Several people have voiced similar opinions across countries and domains.
    Looks like the furtherest I'd end up going would be a Masters before re-entering "Industry".
    Thanks for this video - it was super informative

  • @lonjohnson5161
    @lonjohnson5161 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I'm glad you posted this video. I have always had a tinge of regret for not getting my Ph.D. It was always something I will do after the kids move out (but they NEVER move out). Instead I work as a lab monkey at a large corporation that you know. It doesn't feed the soul, but it pays the bills. Someday I might get my Ph.D., but if that happens it will be for me, not for a job. Thanks to this video, I can honestly say there is a silver lining to not getting the Ph.D.

  • @iqvoice
    @iqvoice 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1300

    This matches up exactly with my 16 years at NASA. A colleague of mine called it "playing the doctor game", because all the PhD's were battling each other for the few secure jobs while the majority languished as grantees.

    • @millanferende6723
      @millanferende6723 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      "Science" (Which means "through the knowledge of")...literally means being open to truth, wanting to explore the actual truth and to want to know the truth.

    • @millanferende6723
      @millanferende6723 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      The other one, opposite one (cannot name the term because of the censor), is the desire for money, grants, more grants, desiring to promote a problem rather than a solution to keep a job, propagating biases and being afraid to look in another direction out of fear of being chastised and reprimanded.

    • @la-gl4uh
      @la-gl4uh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You sound like you were a contractor instead of a government employee. Why didn't you hire on with the Federal Government?

    • @r13hd22
      @r13hd22 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      She got what she gave out to Kaku and others in his field daring to tell them that they were wasting resources that should go to real fields of study.

    • @atendriyadasa6746
      @atendriyadasa6746 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is precisely how The $ystem weeds out scientists w/ character standing on principle vs. those who'll readily sell out (i.e. produce & publish the results The $ystem wants). 😉

  • @buybuydandavis
    @buybuydandavis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +621

    Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy:
    In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely.

    • @wadehines9971
      @wadehines9971 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      In isolated islands, visionaries who understand this law gain power and work hard against it.
      But it's a Sisyphean task.

    • @wallacegrommet9343
      @wallacegrommet9343 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Witness the ratio of administrators to teachers in the California State University system. 18 to 1 in against the instructors!

    • @JNobleDaggett
      @JNobleDaggett 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@wallacegrommet9343 That's a bit deceptive. Some of those administrators support instruction. Some support research grants. Sabina isn't complaining about research load as much as research priorities.

    • @brianlemberger5022
      @brianlemberger5022 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for sharing your experiences. Brave people such as yourself need to be honest about the state of physics and academia in order for it to change.

    • @gregorseidel8203
      @gregorseidel8203 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Nice quote, I did not know this. To be fair, in my experience academic management did care about science, in so far as it relates to their own interests at least. Since the issues in academia (and academic publishing) go beyond each individual institution, however, I suppose it's easy to assign blame elsewhere and perpetuate the system rather than even try to change it. This perpetuation is, incidentally of course, also to the personal benefit of academic management.

  • @joshualowary8288
    @joshualowary8288 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you so much for posting. As with other comments, I see the same attitude you describe so frequently in my own industry IT. So much salesmanship and excitement over the current technology du jour with little real improvement for the average person.

  • @Q-Limited
    @Q-Limited 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Your story is inspiring, and honest, and won you another subscription.
    And possibly a great idea born from a philosophical point of view. ❤

  • @richardcoughlin8931
    @richardcoughlin8931 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +554

    Speaking as retired full professor (social sciences) at a research university in the in USA I fully support your decision. You play a vital role as a public intellectual helping to educate non-specialists about the state of scientific inquiry in the physical sciences. Your TH-cam videos reach many more people - several orders of magnitude - than typical research publications read by a handful of specialists. So I say Bravo! Keep up the good work.

    • @lighthousesaunders7242
      @lighthousesaunders7242 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      You've gotta admit, from the respected Popperian POV at least, social science should almost never be called a science?

    • @matteogirelli1023
      @matteogirelli1023 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      truer words were never spoken

    • @amihartz
      @amihartz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@lighthousesaunders7242 "Respected Popperian" bro hardly any academics of philosophy take Popper seriously. But yes, if you take Popper seriously, then you have to reject sociology and economics, and some of biology and climatology would also be on shaky grounds.

    • @link01uk
      @link01uk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bravo

    • @paintspot1509
      @paintspot1509 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The problem is these videos get hijacked by conspiracy nutters, rather then anybody who could do anything about the issues she raises

  • @joefearn9694
    @joefearn9694 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1224

    I achieved my PhD in philosophy when I was in my 40s. I'm an ex miner. After graduation, I became a security guard until retirement. My PhD was a classy route to poverty. So I'm glad you posted this. Dr. does look good on my drivers licence.😅

    • @sundayoliver3147
      @sundayoliver3147 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +172

      I appreciate "my PhD was a classy route to poverty". It's the case for so many.

    • @garydorfner6695
      @garydorfner6695 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      The wife of the US president is also a Doctor. She's a school teacher with a doctorate in education and demands that people refer to her as "Doctor". The title is meaningless.

    • @inertia179
      @inertia179 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Why didn't you become a university prof?

    • @Blade.5786
      @Blade.5786 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      What a coincidence, I'm also an ex-minor

    • @titandarknight2698
      @titandarknight2698 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      @@garydorfner6695 Not really meaningless. She just isn't a doctor in the common sense.

  • @richardpenhardt6100
    @richardpenhardt6100 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    post it!!!! its finally a view both honest and informative without social diffusion... ive been watching your videos for at least a year and would feel a part of a puzzle is missing without you... So dreams come and go without us having reliable power ... who does ... I will always welcome your insights ...

  • @bernardhenin
    @bernardhenin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +126

    Sometimes, when you jump off a cliff, you don't fall, you fly. Enjoy the view and thank you for your honesty and integrity.

  • @krishnamoorthysankaranaray4057
    @krishnamoorthysankaranaray4057 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +769

    "The moment you put people into big institutions the goal shifts from knowledge seeking to money making." Very well said.

    • @LA_HA
      @LA_HA 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What is the background of the university president? Is it Philosophy or Education-focused?
      Or is it Business-centered?

    • @wendyleeconnelly2939
      @wendyleeconnelly2939 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@LA_HA It might not matter. It might be comparative literature. The system is so entrenched. The one university president and his/her pet projects may have only slight impact on what is expected and what gets done.

    • @LA_HA
      @LA_HA 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@wendyleeconnelly2939 True and that's what I'm saying. The choices given in the type of candidates has a lot to say about what is going on within that institution.
      This is directly tied to what's happening in the PS/K-12 school system. What's happening there?
      In short, traditional values and education have been replaced with "progressive" values and disinterest in educating school children due to CRT and leftist ideological organizations that openly brag about how they're not in the education business anymore. They're in the political business now and going forward.
      This is Taught to students, who then go to college, graduate with this mentality and belief system, and then become college employees and professors.
      The connection is there for anyone who takes a moment to look. Except there's a problem...
      Thinking isn't taught. In fact, it's banned

    • @geneduffy
      @geneduffy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@LA_HAwrong, for instance CRT is a college course. Next progressive values I guess by that you mean critical thinking skills and a focus on S.T.E.M. It’s funny because traditional values and education immediately brings to mind religious schools where if the science doesn’t fit your 1500 year old horror anthology than the science must be wrong. Also what do you mean by traditional education , the humors, leach therapy, miasma, aroma therapy, chiropractors , or maybe phrenology. I am however sorry that conservatives long ago lost in the market place of ideas I just wish you guys would stop trying to sell people on your SECOND lost cause movement. We are not going to go back in time there is a reason progress is the root word of progressive. This time of traditional thinking wasn’t so great by the way most people call it the dark ages where positing a new theory might get you thrown in ye olde gaol maybe just for suggesting a non heliocentric view of the universe.

    • @LA_HA
      @LA_HA 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@geneduffy [Edited for clarity] Thank you. I'm so glad you did exactly what you did. Otherwise, I would have wasted my time thinking an actual conversation was possible.
      Good Day

  • @bogusdogus
    @bogusdogus 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Sabine, Thanks for this wonderful video. It’s disarmingly frank and revealing. I have found myself becoming a serious fan of your videos over the last year. Please prosper with all this work and keep enlightening us all with your unique and insightful style and humour.

  • @fonoflux1
    @fonoflux1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for making and sharing this video. I see your wisdom and feel your struggle. I usually listen to you for the science. Today I heard a story of you’re being brave, venerable, and authentic. Today you’re teaching life lessons and giving inspiration.

  • @raygiguette8677
    @raygiguette8677 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +160

    Not fitting-in is one of your best qualities. The world is a scary cookie cutter, but you are your own cookie. We need more people like you.

  • @mickb9678
    @mickb9678 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +167

    Sabine, this was not "too much," as you said. It helped me. I just quit a job after 23 years of international travel, and I really synch up with what you said about the travel and the psychological displacement from one's own life. It took a massive toll on me, and I'm a single man without the reproductive priorities and family needs that you had. Even so, depression, broken relationships, and a sense of not belonging anywhere became chronic and damaging, not to mention the constant jet-lag and the lack of appreciation. And like you, I noticed that my institution primarily served to perpetuate itself, not do good work. Thanks for posting this! I think you did the right thing, and I finally did too.

    • @rickvandijk
      @rickvandijk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Awesome, and I can totally relate. After 20 years in corporate business, and therefore sustaining it, three years ago my conscience had enough. I quit, changed my life around and became a professional gardener. Best decision ever.
      You will find your path, I’m sure. All the best 🧘🏻🤘🏻

  • @albatross5466
    @albatross5466 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Your current arrangement with the exchange of knowledge for attention is important, but not as important as your mental well being and happiness. I hope that you are having a blast.

  • @ancientgamer3645
    @ancientgamer3645 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Many of us appreciate the experiences and insights. Thank you for sharing.

  • @user-hw3vo3hf2r
    @user-hw3vo3hf2r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +235

    "I think I owe you an explanation"
    - No you don't, but I am glad you did give it anyway and I found your perspective very interesting.

  • @ianburton9223
    @ianburton9223 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +344

    I agree with you entirely. I walked away from this weird world of writing papers in 1971, utterly deceived by the rat race of the conflict between publishing and keeping things secret to prevent someone else publishing before you. Expanding human knowledge was not the priority - it was just an immoral competition for grant money.

    • @frankfahrenheit9537
      @frankfahrenheit9537 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      And that was in 1971? Already?

    • @teyemanon1970
      @teyemanon1970 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@frankfahrenheit9537 This hit! 1971!

    • @ich3601
      @ich3601 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You did academia in US? Germany imported this system somewhen in the 90".

    • @ianburton9223
      @ianburton9223 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ich3601 I was in the UK in 1971.

    • @wadehines9971
      @wadehines9971 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Read a biography of Sir Richard Francis Burton.

  • @emiliozambade758
    @emiliozambade758 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great Summary Sabine, thanks for sharing this video!!

  • @alexeykulik2625
    @alexeykulik2625 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I'm grateful that you decided to post this video after all. As an aspiring Physics PhD, this made me rethink my life choices. It would be interesting to hear how academia really works in a separate series of videos.

  • @jamesmarie1083
    @jamesmarie1083 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +559

    I'm a PhD. physicist who never really had any hope of a career in academia. I really appreciate your honesty and telling it like it is. I have always found academia to be pretentious, arrogant, and intellectually stuffy. Thank you for making this video. You've earned my respect.

    • @jeravincer
      @jeravincer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And you’re a man?!?

    • @FernandoChaves
      @FernandoChaves 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So, what do you do?

    • @Happyduderawr
      @Happyduderawr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Only academics use words like "intellectually stuffy" hahaha

    • @stellarspacetraveler
      @stellarspacetraveler 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hopefully you didn't get a job as a "Calibration Technician" for a company that does NIST certification of equipment. So many physics majors with BS degrees seem to enter that job market.

    • @jarnoldp
      @jarnoldp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I was a PhD student, but I only finished with my masters. This was due to the lack of consistency between classes and the PhD exam. They would put problems on there that even the professors could not solve. They had an extra credit point system to wear a few published papers prior to the exam, you would be given credit towards the exam. There was at least one student who never took the exam and passed because they had enough papers within two years. and this is only because the professor was putting that graduate students name on the papers, even though they just started.

  • @vobulate
    @vobulate 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +132

    This is the most honest and accurate description of acedemic research i have ever seen. Thank you for posting this video.

  • @woodwork2415
    @woodwork2415 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thank you for sharing some of you personal experience truthfully. It is heartwarming. I am sure many people, like myself, have empathised with you. Hope you fare well.

  • @joelthompson6201
    @joelthompson6201 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thank you for posting this video. I appreciate your willingness to speak your mind.

  • @hankseda
    @hankseda 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +554

    As a disillusioned academic who retired years too early even after tenure and professorship, I agree 💯 Unless you are recognized as an Einstein or Dirac, you need to bring in money however you can (hopefully without cheating).

    • @bornach
      @bornach 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

      Except that even Einstein and Dirac today would be required to get sufficient grant funding for their respective institutions or their research will go nowhere.

    • @Greenfroggyit
      @Greenfroggyit 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      Even Einstein didn't get much benefits or acceptance "in" the academy, he got a job as a patent office clerk, check your history however he did became a professor later on

    • @leenewsom7517
      @leenewsom7517 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Exactly the same of me, including stepping away, retiring early.

    • @Catastropheshe
      @Catastropheshe 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@Greenfroggyit wanted to say the same, it's all sad stories of people fighting with academia

    • @albertmockel6245
      @albertmockel6245 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I am not sure even guys like these would succeed in tthe academia world of today

  • @lloydy3250
    @lloydy3250 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +447

    I'm a gardener with a lay interest in physics. Gardening is no bullshit in an otherwise cynical world. It makes for good health both physical and mental. I already had enough bullshit as an undergrad. The boffins careened off into ideological space and lost touch with the natural world, and all the brain-work made me depressed, so I started digging holes, moving rocks and planting shrubs, and this is a much happier place. I'm glad you escaped that miserable, dishonest path and took the path of truth. It is an inspiring story, and I'm a big fan.
    Most inspiring comments section here, too.

    • @GregorShapiro
      @GregorShapiro 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Gardening is dramatically helped by cow manure and bullshit is not shunned either. (The REAL bullshit, not the bullshit bullshit!)
      ;-)

    • @george1187
      @george1187 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hear , hear !

    • @yourface07
      @yourface07 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Good for you lloydy! I wish you great success

    • @gldfsh_
      @gldfsh_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I’m actually thinking of going this route! It’s nice to hear someone who’s done so!

    • @soulscanner66
      @soulscanner66 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The fact is, the amount of screentime required in any academic pursuit is unhealthy unless it is rigorously managed.

  • @jeshika22
    @jeshika22 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you, I really appreciate your honesty as I am looking to be a research geologist and will be pursuing my masters soon. I got into science in the first place after another dream of mine had failed, and living a "normal" life wasn't going so well for me either. I know many STEM fields are still predominantly old white men, and as an American with a degree already, I'm very aware of the profits-drivenness of schools. I hope my experience will be different from yours but it's good to know what to prepare myself for.