A vigorous examination of all things vine related. The new content and changes that come with everyone's favorite worst nation. Worst nation no longer? We shall see (Pretender design ideas not included)
Great video! One thing I'll add that I don't think many have noticed, Asphodel is getting more freespawn than it used to from the dominion effect because temples are boosting it in a way they didn't do in Dom 5. Also because you get free carrion centaurs, but let's just put that aside. In Dom 5 you would always get a maximum of 4 manikins a turn from corpses, and another 4 for being in a forest. Dom 6 raises this to 6 for both, which is the normal adjustment for army sizes in this game, but then increases it to 8 for both in provinces with a temple. As if there weren't enough reasons for Asphodel to build temples already, they now increase your dom spawn in that province by 33%. So it's not an illusion, manikin armies are definitely stronger than they used to be simply by the numbers. A welcome change in my book.
Very good video, thank you for your efforts! Asphodel seem much more interesting with this patch. But I see they did not affect popkill money loss problem so it is still probably not viable to go dominion 5+ to make the new living sacred? I was hoping with the auto search for gems ability in Dom 6 they would make one as well for free spawn nations to pick up troops from surrounding provinces and bring them to closest fort. Micro hell of picking up so many free spawn in middle and late game in a 12 player MP game is still big no for me.
I appreciate you watching and I very much enjoy all of your content as well! There are actually compelling trade-offs now for taking low or high dominion I think. In addition to it's impact on your expansion if you want to use sacreds you're also going to be limited on the nature income from your temples. I could be Happ playing either way And yes, the micro hell is real. After our first blitz where I played Asphodel we decided to ban freespawn nations for future blitzes because of the excessive scripting time 😄
for carrion seed, its not purely based on jsut size of the creature. the underground wolf men will turn into carrion wolves. i think the scorpion turned into a bear based on size + beast
Yeah the full interaction with all possible combinations of units is probably quite complicated but might be able to be parsed out with dedicated testing
@@Milorada7375 Yup! I've got an Asphodel multiplayer game in the works that should start coming out in the next few weeks. Then I have a couple of ideas for other videos I'm considering doing!
Yeah that is an important point. I say it later that it's fatigue damage, but in that time stamp you're referencing my mind is thinking about the amount of fatigue damage being done (33) which is high enough to typically overcome armor even though it's not AN or armor piercing damage, which you see sometimes with special damage types. But I really should have said the word "fatigue" in there somewhere. Hopefully it's on screen for long enough that people get it
we have been trying to figure out in a dominions discord how exactly u get which freespawn. do you have any insights on this outside of the nation description?
Higher quality freespawn is affected by magic scales, more freespawn is affected by growth scales and the presence of a forest. It is unclear to me exactly how dominion affects spawns. But it seems sacred spawns are limited on low dominion. 1/3 sacred freespawn are the new sacred minotaur manikens with the skull axes
@@brastionskywarrior6951 it also seems like only forests can freespawn the beasts, have you found this to be the case too? and temples seem to spawn better versions of manikins despite dominion (ive only seen satyr manikin/mandragora spawn when there is a temple, even at 1 dominion, whereas only manikin seem to spawn on non forest, non templed provinces). does any of this seem incorrect to you?
I'm not a numbers guy, so my observations are based on generalization and vibes, but I know people who do crunch the numbers a lot on discord and such, so you can find the info out there somewhere probably. So generally speaking it's like you guys say: different beast type freespawn are in forests (also from reanimation anywhere). Temple forests give sacreds Illwiki website still has the old numbers from Dom 5 I think, which are probably not much changed. Lucid also went over numbers from his own perspective in a video recently too
@@kirbyone The Carrion Seed seems really expensive as an item especially since it's cursed and uses up a slot on whatever you convert. It does seems like it would be good for very specific chassis though. Do you think the Life After Death stuff Lucid mentioned in his video would be a better way to convert some of these mages though?
That item is the most notable thing that I haven't gone and done a deep dive on yet, so I'm actually not entirely sure how it works in all its possible interactions. I'll get around to that at some point but for the time being you're probably right that it's a bit much for what it is or does. I suppose if for some odd reason you've gone up const instead of ench then you could do that lol, but probably not. LAD is probably also good, but you have to both trigger gem usage and win the battle, so it's very situational
@@kirbyone From Lucid's video it looked like it took 20 turns or so to convert someone and they got afflicted to hell due to disease. So there would likely be a Recuperation period as well before they were useful. Maybe he just got unlucky with how long it took, but I would hope for something much faster or instant for 10 gems.
I assume that there are ways to speed up the process such as suicide in battles same as you would do with LAD but I'm not positive yet. This may warrant its own video once I've tested everything
Great video! One thing I'll add that I don't think many have noticed, Asphodel is getting more freespawn than it used to from the dominion effect because temples are boosting it in a way they didn't do in Dom 5. Also because you get free carrion centaurs, but let's just put that aside. In Dom 5 you would always get a maximum of 4 manikins a turn from corpses, and another 4 for being in a forest. Dom 6 raises this to 6 for both, which is the normal adjustment for army sizes in this game, but then increases it to 8 for both in provinces with a temple. As if there weren't enough reasons for Asphodel to build temples already, they now increase your dom spawn in that province by 33%. So it's not an illusion, manikin armies are definitely stronger than they used to be simply by the numbers. A welcome change in my book.
Very helpful info, thank you!
thanks as always for the content, you are great!
Was waiting for your thoughts on this, thanks for sharing!
Very good video, thank you for your efforts! Asphodel seem much more interesting with this patch. But I see they did not affect popkill money loss problem so it is still probably not viable to go dominion 5+ to make the new living sacred?
I was hoping with the auto search for gems ability in Dom 6 they would make one as well for free spawn nations to pick up troops from surrounding provinces and bring them to closest fort. Micro hell of picking up so many free spawn in middle and late game in a 12 player MP game is still big no for me.
I appreciate you watching and I very much enjoy all of your content as well!
There are actually compelling trade-offs now for taking low or high dominion I think. In addition to it's impact on your expansion if you want to use sacreds you're also going to be limited on the nature income from your temples. I could be Happ playing either way
And yes, the micro hell is real. After our first blitz where I played Asphodel we decided to ban freespawn nations for future blitzes because of the excessive scripting time 😄
for carrion seed, its not purely based on jsut size of the creature. the underground wolf men will turn into carrion wolves. i think the scorpion turned into a bear based on size + beast
Yeah the full interaction with all possible combinations of units is probably quite complicated but might be able to be parsed out with dedicated testing
Cool video but I have no idea what I'm looking at. Weird algorithm send but I like your vibe. Clearly a lot of knowledge on the subject.
A++, So miffed the patch has come out 28 turns into my Asphodel game, but better late than never, I suppose. :D
Yeah you'll be playing catch-up to learn how the new minotaur sacreds work, but I'm not looking forward to your vine bows all being carrion bows now 😅
@thedistanthorizon Will you be doing Dominions content again in the future?
@@Milorada7375 Yup! I've got an Asphodel multiplayer game in the works that should start coming out in the next few weeks. Then I have a couple of ideas for other videos I'm considering doing!
17:00 sleep vines do fatigue damage not damage
Yeah that is an important point. I say it later that it's fatigue damage, but in that time stamp you're referencing my mind is thinking about the amount of fatigue damage being done (33) which is high enough to typically overcome armor even though it's not AN or armor piercing damage, which you see sometimes with special damage types. But I really should have said the word "fatigue" in there somewhere. Hopefully it's on screen for long enough that people get it
we have been trying to figure out in a dominions discord how exactly u get which freespawn. do you have any insights on this outside of the nation description?
Higher quality freespawn is affected by magic scales, more freespawn is affected by growth scales and the presence of a forest. It is unclear to me exactly how dominion affects spawns. But it seems sacred spawns are limited on low dominion.
1/3 sacred freespawn are the new sacred minotaur manikens with the skull axes
@@brastionskywarrior6951 it also seems like only forests can freespawn the beasts, have you found this to be the case too? and temples seem to spawn better versions of manikins despite dominion (ive only seen satyr manikin/mandragora spawn when there is a temple, even at 1 dominion, whereas only manikin seem to spawn on non forest, non templed provinces). does any of this seem incorrect to you?
I'm not a numbers guy, so my observations are based on generalization and vibes, but I know people who do crunch the numbers a lot on discord and such, so you can find the info out there somewhere probably. So generally speaking it's like you guys say: different beast type freespawn are in forests (also from reanimation anywhere). Temple forests give sacreds
Illwiki website still has the old numbers from Dom 5 I think, which are probably not much changed. Lucid also went over numbers from his own perspective in a video recently too
@@kirbyone i found those numbers in his video and shared them with the discord. looks like its the best we have atm, which is fine, ty for response
I saw recuperation on the carrion in your video. Does it work for undead?
It does! Very handy and a unique interaction for the nation
@@kirbyone The Carrion Seed seems really expensive as an item especially since it's cursed and uses up a slot on whatever you convert. It does seems like it would be good for very specific chassis though. Do you think the Life After Death stuff Lucid mentioned in his video would be a better way to convert some of these mages though?
That item is the most notable thing that I haven't gone and done a deep dive on yet, so I'm actually not entirely sure how it works in all its possible interactions. I'll get around to that at some point but for the time being you're probably right that it's a bit much for what it is or does. I suppose if for some odd reason you've gone up const instead of ench then you could do that lol, but probably not. LAD is probably also good, but you have to both trigger gem usage and win the battle, so it's very situational
@@kirbyone From Lucid's video it looked like it took 20 turns or so to convert someone and they got afflicted to hell due to disease. So there would likely be a Recuperation period as well before they were useful. Maybe he just got unlucky with how long it took, but I would hope for something much faster or instant for 10 gems.
I assume that there are ways to speed up the process such as suicide in battles same as you would do with LAD but I'm not positive yet. This may warrant its own video once I've tested everything