Jordan Peterson Update | What is Paradoxical Reaction and Tapering?
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- This video answers a number of questions that arose from the latest update on Jordan Peterson’s condition:
What is a paradoxical reaction?
Does somebody really need to go into hospital, detox facility, or similar facility if they have a paradoxical reaction?
What is it mean to taper or micro taper?
Do tapering strategies usually fail?
What happens to individuals trying to withdrawal from clonazepam who do not have access to substantial financial resources?
Should benzodiazepines not be used anymore?
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I'm 71 and have been prescribed Clonazepam(Klonopin) for 22 years now. NOT ONCE in all the 22 years did any doctor
say to me "Is the benzo effective?" "ever think of reducing or discontinuing Clonazepam?" I live in Toronto(as does JP)
and my addiction psychiatrist wanted me go enter CAMH(centre for addiction and mental health) in Toronto. CAMH's
procedure was to reduce your benzo intake by .25mg/day until benzo free. CAMH staff would "monitor" you only, a euphemism
for making sure you don't kill yourself. I thought CAMH's protocol too rapid and severe and canceled my CAMH booking date.
In June 2019 I was taking 2.5mg/day of Clonazepam. Now February 21st, 2020 I have tapered to.375mg/day(3/8mg), but it
has been hell on Earth. Headaches, sweats, abdominal cramps, burning thighs, anxiety and more.Nearly all doctors don't know
the meaning of "informed consent." Some days I want to die, the awful side effects are myriad and NEVER let up.
I trusted doctors too much. Now I have undisguised contempt for the medical profession. DO NO HARM...what a joke.
Thank you for reading this comment.
I have been there, truthfully it took 3 years to get my first year chip.
My heart goes out to you.
@@AmandaHugandKiss411 Thank you for your compassion, support and concern.
@@ericblair54 you'll get there, rocky road ahead but the interesting thing about recovery, is you learn so much about yourself, much you'll come to realize are strengths not weaknesses.
Take Care, My Friend
My story is very similar to yours the only difference is l didn't keep my contempt for these quacks quite, l wrote a letter to my psychiatrist and l called him every French word l could think of. He replied once and then he went back to wrecking people's lives.
@@eddieortiz3141 I'm 73 now Eddie and still tethered to this pernicious drug. That last jump off the Benzo train is
proving extremely difficult for me. I have begged, pleaded with my GP to find a qualified person to taper me
without the risk of death.....nothing. I hope you are Benzo free and are well. Thanks for your compassion and
understanding. No consequences for these incompetent quacks who are committing medical malpractice.
I'm from India.
And I've been following Dr. Peterson for like 5-6 years.
I was so hopeless at that time when I found one of his videos.
I started following him since that day.
He has been my mentor for every fuckin situation whenever I thought there's not a hope but somehow his teachings have been like a torch for me in this dark world.
My Interest in psychology came up because of him.
In India, Psychology is not as big part as it should be.
We don't care about our mental health at all, despite we are one of the most depressed countries.
Peterson gave me the hope to make a better life by understanding the mind and how it works.
May God bless him with a healthy life again.
World Needs him
I didn’t sleep for months when I got off of benzodiazepines. I thought I had finally found a resolution to my panic disorder, little did I know, that anxiety I had escaped for years and years, finally would catch up to me within those months. I felt like life had left me and I was an empty vessel. Please be careful and take this medication as needed.
Same here. Thought I'd never sleep again. Night after night of nitemare pacing the floor and having to hear others snoring was like torture.
The fact that people on Twitter are celebrating Peterson's degradation is utterly disgusting.
Neo Marxism is very ugly indeed..
@@AussieRon.... twitter is ugly.
@@Mercurystars4202 ... my goodness... how is he "not practicing what he preaches" when he just has a reaction to a drug that's greater than 1 in 100 chance..? That's misfortune; not irony.... don't be the cliched American.
Addiction is something that you cant truely understand by studying it or seeing it, you have to feel it to know it. Its something like describing sex or how a physical confrontation feels to someone that was born paralyzed. Jordan Petersons specific knowledge & expertise will definitely help him through the recovery process, but it will still be a hard process for anyone to get through. Lets not be hateful towards this guy because you might think he should be immune to this problem, given his back ground, instead let it be a reminder to you that it can touch anyone. Also, if & when Jordan gets through this struggle he will be even better & sharper, with a deeper understanding of psychology, over all mental health & even stronger fate.
@Anarcho Frills If you take 23 transgenders and divide them by 4 restrooms, how much climate change do we get?
Thank you Dr Grande for explaining this. I wish the best for dr. Peterson & his family. I highly respect him and his lectures. God Bless
@@tonyburton419 There is, and he loves you. and he isn't Jesus - no offence to Christians.
@@tonyburton419 no one cares
@@tonyburton419 wow you're so edgy and cool. So rare to see someone saying god isnt real
@@sam-xw2vf well I was just giving my condolences & support to dr. Grande & dr Peterson. The expression "God Bless" was appearantly offensive enough for people to start calling me names. So If me being shouted down for offering my support is too narcissist for you fine folks, then I guess I'm watching the wrong channel. So you have yourself a nice day & god bless you too.
@@sam-xw2vf oh, sorry bro. Please except my apology. I missunderstood you. My mother has borderline, & I'm the only one left in the family to take care of her, so these videos help me understand her to help her.
Dr. Grande, Great Job again!!! I just love psychology and learning more about it. Praying for Dr. Jordan Peterson; God has used him to improve so many people’s lives.
@@tonyburton419 why are you triggered? are you that insecure that you get triggered when you see religious people who are far more intelligent than you are?
@@tonyburton419 Jesus loves you too, bro. And guess what? I'm anti-Trump. He's of the Devil.
@ThinkAboutWhatYoureSaying How do you know God doesn't use people? Jesus loves you!
I don't understand how Jordan Peterson gained his following helping people deal with mental health issues - while heavily medicating his own mental health issues, why wouldn't he use the methods he preaches? honest question.
Fan of Dr Peterson here. Wishing blessings on him and his family, and a speedy recovery.
Just pray for him to get the blessings not just wish or hope.
@@dilfaddict Of course, prayers can move mountains.
@Periwinkle Mermaid there's always someone getting upset when someone else doesn't properly display their wishes for one not to suffer. There's a little Karen in everything. Lol
On speed
@K O Yeah, those are also the worst
Wow this is heartbreaking. Whatever one thinks of Peterson, imagine having a wife battling cancer, and you can't sleep or calm down, and then you end up with this terrible mess. I hope things work out for both he and his wife. Scary, and like Dr Grande said, imagine not having the money or education that Peterson does and navigating this.
Lisa Smith I doubt very much that his education or intelligence are any comfort to him right now, being able to comprehend how much that situation sucks isn’t something I’d want in his shoes
antNSF my thoughts exactly
@@antnfs I don't think it is comforting to him per se, but information and knowledge are powerful tools, and without them one could end up quite mired in a messy situation. I did not intend any snarkiness or hard-heartedness, I'm just glad that the family will have plenty of tools to navigate his way back to wellness.
@@antnfs
Way to miss the point.
Lisa Smith he IS mired in a messy situation. I guess self- help bromides combined with outmoded psychology information , aren’t enough
Whether or not you like Dr. Peterson, thank you for being so respectful about this situation. This was a super productive video, unlike a lot of "tabloid-like" TH-cam channels. I personally love Dr. Peterson btw. You both have been good resources on psychology.
I love and respect Jordan Peterson and pray for his recovery and happiness
Thank you Dr Grande for removing the politics and providing such an informed insight on this issue. It helps us better understand the battle that Peterson is enduring.
As a uk mental health nurse, this is such an important topic 👍
@@brusselsprout5851 No they know the issue doesn't go away. Just the patient lol.
Booze is the dirty little secrete.
I believe anything that works on dopeamine/ serotonin system can cause a degree of serotonin syndrome, they say it's not a chronic condition but I disagree.. it put my body and mind through things I shall never forget, regular seizures they pretended were panic attacks?.. (my opinion)
@@aether-elephant l
This has been going on for decades in the UK.In 1966, at the tender age of fourteen, my GP prescibed a new hypnotic sleeping drug called Mandrax for me.Six months later he added Stelazine tablets.This awful drug, which was far harder to come off than any other drug, caused some brain damage, which led to me being treated by a psychiatrist, who kept on adding more and more drugs, including benzodiazapines.I was on an execeptionally high dose of lorazepam, often 15 to 20 mg a day,l had a paradoxical response to diazepam, it made me aggressive, I have been on every class of psychiatric drug, old and new, as a consequence of this overmedication, l became extremely ill, being sectioned fifty times and taking eighty overdoses and other extreme suicide attempts, in short, doctors ruined my life , but even now that l am left disabled and housebound through it all, my doctor will not acknowledge that my health conditions are iatrogenic, this hurts me more than anything else, l have never been attracted to using illegal drugs, but legal presciption drugs have probably caused me more harm than if l had been a heroin addict.
You should have addressed Benzo Seizures. I was unfortunate enough to leave my meds behind when I was traveling out of country.
So, fighting jet lag plus no benzo dosage (2 mg x 2/ day) led to a massive seizure which led me hospitalized for three days.
I never knew how powerful Clonopin was and it scares me to death at the thought of running out of this med.
Benzo withdrawal seizures are more common than one would think. I’m just glad I survived and thus, more aware of the dangers associated with clonopin.
Thanks you for vid!
Thank you for being a voice of calm and reason in a confusing and upsetting situation.
I feel for Peterson with all of my heart. I've been there. I'm still struggling to taper off of my Clonazepam medication. I've been put on them since I was 15 on and off, consecutively for 5 years now.
"The answer is education" - Dr. Todd Grande
Benzos should still be used, but people need to be made more aware of their risks.... i.e. the fact that they are *literally alcohol in pill form.*
I mean, how many people even know that?
@@ChadDidNothingWrong yup
Yup
Education is key IMHO, which should help with that one size fits all mentality. We seem to go from one extreme to another in this country. All or nothing.
@ I did wonder about this. I like Peterson a lot, but as the king of personal responsibility, I don't want to hear him blaming others for this. Granted, it's his daughter that's been calling-out the doctors and the drug itself, not him - we'll see.
I did tapering. It went mostly well, I wasn't that deep into it. I wasn't allowed exposure therapy while taking benzo. Sooo glad I stopped. And for anyone wondering, exposure therapy for 3 years has made me so much better. I still find many situations scary but I have the tools to go through them. It even let me take on a job as a manager something I didn't think was possible before!
Every individual is different and those who've been on benzodiazepines for a few years tend to need much longer tapering and extremely close supervision due to the risk of serious withdrawal symptoms including seizures and PAWS (Post-Acute Withdrawal Symptom). Thank you for focusing on the facts and not emotionality.
These medications are no joke. Great video! I was on Mirtazapine, Clonidine and Clonazepam while going through therapy for PTSD. It took five years to reduce my doses and then two years to completely come off the medications. Through the combination of working well with counselling and sound judgement of my psychiatrist we were successful in recovery.
Mirtazapine is not fun as well. Almost just as bad as benzos.
Another important factor is the duration of use in guessing as to how difficult and how long withdrawal may be. I was addicted to xanax for about 8 years. I've read since that xanax should only be prescribed for short term use up to two weeks. It took me almost a year to fully step down off of it. I would drop my dose a tiny amount and then hold for two to four weeks depending on the severity of withdrawal symptoms. I roughly followed the Ashton Method. I didn't use doctor supervision as it was not financially feasible. I went from xanax to clonazepam then to valium at different points along the process. The longer halflife helped a lot. To get down to the smallest cuts I would titrate the pills in propylene glycol and use a seringe to measure for oral dosages. Even with dropping slowly and by very little I STILL had very intense symptoms like hallucinations, loss of balance, horrible headaches that would go on for hours, and horrific anxiety. It was one of the most difficult things I have ever done in my life and I am very proud.
I have taken the same medication as Peterson and I discontinued this medication with no adverse consequences. I can only wish Dr. Peterson well and hope that he is soon well enough to continue his life and career as before (as much as possible).
Lucky
Same here
Yes in almost every case that is the situation.
@@arjanpetersen really? I hope so because I keep hearing horror stories about withdrawal and it freaks me out! So the majority of ppl won't experience these horrendous withdrawals?
Tara Campbell most ppl will get withdrawal but its dose dependant. On a very low dose it’s likely you’ll get no withdrawal but on a higher dose it’s almost certain you will.
This is one of the most balanced videos on benzos that I've seen. Before I was put on benzos for panic disorder I went through about a decade of misery on about every anit-depressant, anticonvulsant, atypical antipsychotic and even a course of ECT (not indicated for anxiety disorders btw). I can't compare it to Jordan Peterson's withdrawal experience because it's apples and oranges. But long term benzo treatment (15+ years now) has absolutely worked for me. And multiple doctors told me exactly what you said: for some people they are the only medication that works. I have no doubt that I am dependent on them, but that fact is effectively meaningless when there is nothing to replace them with. I'm not happy that I'm on them, or that I have panic disorder, but a lot of life is about living with compromises.
I love that you actually addressed this! Jordan B Peterson is so important.
what are those random bizarre videos on your channel?
What's even more crazy about this is the combination of these 2 facts a) Mr Peterson is himself an experiencef clinical psychologist & had a few patients that also were on different drugs & b) reportedly he looked at the name of that drug before starting to use it to consider possible side effects supposedly known to him. However, it was a new derivate under a different name to other drugs of that same kind but similar to a drug that he knew wouldn't have that dramatic side effects so he decided under deceptive false goodbelief that he was taking something far less harmful. In other words: it seems he got addicted to it inadvertently & despite knowing full well what sort of problems benzo bring - he just didn't know what sort of drug that specific new derivate was that he used.
& these informations are from mikhaila's videos about her dad.
Probably the most influential speaker of our times!!! Peterson has changed many lives, including mine... His contributions to humanity has been unprecedented. While addressing the youth and the recent culture challenges posed at every level of our communities, Dr. Peterson has pierced the veil of Political Correctness, Responsibility and Relationship as no other entity of our time have been able to explain... Humanity owes a big debt to this incredible human being who has influenced our lives for the better!!! Thank you Dr. Peterson and hope you and your family recover from these obstacles... May you "Raise as a Phoenix Again"!!
Thanks Dr Grande. All day of this week you already did a vid and today even a bonus vid. Important and great vid! Even Jordan Peterson is just, like we all are, a human being. I'm hoping he is doing fine 😃🇳🇱
Excellent summary. I had a nightmarish time withdrawing from benzodiazepines complete with psychosis. The withdrawal itself entails a kind of paradoxical reaction; everything you tried to remedy rushing comes back. They are really only safe for short-term use- and admittedly very useful then.
Yes. The law of physics that says that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction really does also seem to apply to psychotropic meds as well.
Justine Brown's Bookshelf An issue you’re not considering is the use of benzos for movement disorders. My husband suffers from hemispheric and cervical dystonia, as well as Meige syndrome (facial dystonia). Benzos are what they use to control it, and there’s not much else (anticholinergics are sometimes used, but not so successfully with my husband). He was on 7mg clonazapam/day for approx.10 years.
He wanted to get off the benzos, so we sloooowly tapered him to about 1mg/day, then halved the dose and replaced that half with diazepam, which has a longer half-life and easy to liquify at home, to micro-taper at the end. He’s now taking .25mg clonazapam and 5mg diazepam twice daily comfortably, though his dystonia is now unmanaged (cannabis helps a LOT...both CBD and THC, but they’re very pricey for lab-tested, legal products).
recynd77 Sure, there may be instances where long-term use is appropriate. Just be cautious.
Very informative. Thanks again, Dr Grande. Let's hope Dr Peterson recovers quickly. It highlights the fact that everyone, no matter their background is susceptible to these medications and the inherent risks involved.
This highlights the serious nature of addiction, as well as the precarity of commonly prescribed drugs. Excellent upload.
It's not addiction!
Honestly, its most likely a long time addiction that hes had to deal with, but they will likely release a gentler story than whats really happen.
@In CogNito ok, can you explain it then.
@In CogNito and take easy buddy.
@The Real Deal addiction is normaly descibed as : a person that has no controll over the substance, which means he increases the dosis as soon as he has it. When you take it as prescribed and have a withdrawl its dependece. There is a hugh difference.
Even when you take illegal substances in a controlled way its dependece. There is no difference between legal or illegal.
I hope the best for that family... the candidness of this could definitely help others . Thank you
I too had the same paradoxical reaction from adivan. But with mine I blacked out for a month and suddenly came to in a drug treatment center 800 miles from home. I had no clue how I got there, the day of the week, where I was, or why? To me everything was great but to family and friends I was on Pluto for over a month. No clue!!! Dr. Peterson will be back, just takes a little bit.
Your channel really is bulwark of integrity on TH-cam. Many thanks, Dr. Grande. Oh...and you have the uncanny ability to read your viewers' minds (and know what they want you to address). All the best to you...
Xanax saved my life! 20 years ago, I collapsed bacause of insomnia, I didn’t sleep many days due to external factor. When I got to hospital, I was sleeping 4 full days, on 3xXanax 0,25, they woke me up onley for meal. I also got antiepileptics, due to alfa-rythm disorder (wich caused heart arrhythmia, almost one year), Then lethargy problem- fixed with antidepressants. All in all, I was on this coctail a few years, without it, maybe I wouldn’t survive. I got out due to my work- being on sea each day with great people, so much positive feelings. Sun, sun, sun.. This is so complicated, I feel pain because of dear Dr. Peterson! I hope those who say he isn’t doing what he is saying, won’t never ever have such a trauma in life!
mastersleib Maybe, but I don’t know how. We all have different bodies, and almost all medicaments have side effects. How could we possibly know how someone could react? Maybe the future is nanotechnology, but I’m sceptic about that..
Yes! People shouldn't be scared of benzodiazepines. These drugs can lead to addiction, but for those who truly need anxiety medication, they’re a good option. Benzos have decades of research & successful use. I feel badly for Dr. Peterson, but I found his daughter’s statement quite bizarre. She said they were unable to get treatment in “North American” hospitals. In NYC where I practice, you can get any type of detox you want & can even hire a personal physician. It’s necessary to treat seizures during benzo withdrawal, but literally ALL hospitals in NY could’ve diagnosed & treated that. FYI clonazepam is available in low doses, e.g., 0.25mg sublingual, which a patient can crush & divide, then put under tongue for tapering
@@scarlet8078 Great comment. Thanks for speaking up for us who actually do get helped by benzos!
@@scarlet8078 Me too! Gave me back my life. Prescribed Xanax about a month after being victim of a terrorist attack in France. It did the job and let me get back to work, think clearly and focus, be productive, go to sleep without nightmares and slowly return to normal life and going outside again with lots of therapy for extreme PTSD. It's when these lightweights start taking it for "social anxiety" or idiots with no self control have a panic attack because they can't get a taxi (LOL) that's when society runs into trouble and gives these drugs a bad name.
Jordan P is an incredible soul and I will keep him in my prayers.
I worked in the mental health field for over 16 years. I have seen so many go through this nightmare.
Watching Dr. Grande? J/K
I agree it's not unusual. It's more common than they are letting on.
Odd how doctors in general in Canada are reluctant to prescribe benzos but shrinks in psych wards use it for 'crowd control'. They are creating addicts!
@@THXx1138 I totally agree. I've read about this in the past and worried about my Clobazam prophylactic prescription for 'possible' night seizures from an AVM. It's low dose but I guess I can never get off the stuff now...
I once had a delirious patient with a paradoxical reaction to haldol. I was the first to tip the physician (I'm a nurse) pretty cool to see how the delirium resolved itself when we took the patient off those meds.
nice to hear that, welldone!
@@tonyburton419 I never compared delirium to psychosis? The video just reminded me of an experience I had with paradoxical reactions to drugs. Haldol gets prescribed for delirium, in small doses. As you may or may not know delirium often goes hand in hand with delusions and visual hallucinations, so antipsychotics being prescribed aren't that crazy of an idea. The patient had a paradoxical response, so she was actually getting more and more agitated and disruptive BECAUSE of the haldol. So when we took her off those meds, her behavior normalized and she got out of her delirium. And yes, she got the haldol because of the delirium.
Amazingly informative. Thank you for making this video :) helpful for much more than understanding what Jordan Peterson may be going through, but for anyone on or coming off of Benzodiazepines.
Looking forward to hearing more about Jordan Peterson's successful recovery.
Very good that you explain this, because I have seen some comments that dismiss Peterson as a weak person who is not credible, because of this. Thank you!
I was prescribed Klonopin for extreme PTSD and anxiety. I was very skeptical about taking it but I was unable to function otherwise. I kept a journal of the half-life of the medication in the body. Even for me, a medical professional, It was complex and I had to be vigilant about dosage when taking and then weaning off of it. I was successful but it was painstakingly difficult. Much respect to Peterson for having to go through that hell and coming out the other side.
27,5 months off 10mg diazepam. Only now am I feeling much better. I suffered immensely over the course of the first 16 months. Then I hit a plateau. I still had extremely bad episodes after that, but at least not almost everyday in very high intensity. The symptoms are extremely uncomfortable and frightening. People really have no idea how bad it really is. It is a life or death situation, and the worst thing is that most people don't take you seriously, and do not appreciate the depth of your suffering. Doctors are especially bad, most of them treated me like a junkie for telling me that benzo withdrawal isn't just done and over with after 4-6 weeks. Presumptuous, arrogant egomaniacs with frail egos, some of them. Unwilling to listen to any new information, and if you do tell them that "in fact, it takes much longer on average", they can become aggressive and throw you out. One doctor did just that.
Imagine a situation where you are suffering immensely, and the people you are supposed to go to for help are hostile towards you because they are woefully mis- or under-educated.
Thanks for clearing Jordan's situation up, Todd. Keep up the great work
Thank you. I hope your info helps a lot of people. It sounds horrific for some people. Our knowledge, understanding, empathy and support, for anyone going through this can but help. I wish anyone going through this all the best.
Akathisia is hell on earth. Absolute torture. I got it from serotonin syndrome and then a rapid taper from sertraline. Over two years after being off of sertraline and I still have akathisia, at least it isn’t as severe enough as it was the first year off of sertraline. I almost didn’t survive late 2017 and 2018. Akathisia comes with the worst insomnia and an inability to stay still. You cannot stay still. It feels like your bones are chalk being screeched down a chalkboard. There is also severe terror, adrenaline, and it feels like a chest burster about to pop out of your chest. Many people with it commit suicide, because you want out of your body even though you don’t want to die. It wears you down. He is lucky to still be alive.
Benzodiazapines are more addictive than Heroin in my experience. I wish Dr Peterson well.
This isnt addiction.
Cocaine < Benzos < Heroine when it comes to addictiveness
What isn't addiction?
@@claytono4829 Dr. Peterson's situation.
Lynnie Lew Sounds like addiction, smells like addiction,walks like addiction, fucks your up like addiction... it’s addiction
🙏 this is no joke. I wish him luck. Dependency is different than addiction. Especially when you take as directed.
LIFEISAJOURNEY LETITGO exactly dependency is different from addiction
Dom Trussardi maybe they meant “physical “ dependence. I am physically disabled from Rheumatoid Arthritis. After a dozen joint surgeries I am still in daily chronic pain. I take opioids daily. I take over a dozen medications a day and there have been times I have forgotten to take my pain meds. I, of course, start experiencing more pain when I forget but usually the first symptom I experience is gut issues. This is due to the physical dependence my body has. I have run out of medication occasionally due to various reasons but just put up with the increased pain and other symptoms until I can get to my doctor. It is not a mental issue with me, I don’t feel that I will do anything to get more I just am bedbound and deal with the pain.
@@maryblooms4599 I'm sorry you're dealing with chronic pain, and I know exactly what it's like. Unfortunately the alleged "opioid crisis/epidemic" has meant that the actions of drugs abusers has taken its toll on those who have tried everything else and have to rely on opoids. Physical dependence is part and parcel of opiates and you're so right about GI issues being one of the first symptoms, along with the inevitable return of severe pain. I've not met another individual with chronic pain who likes relying on these medications, and I wish the government and therefore doctors would stop punishing chronic pain sufferers and recognise there's a legitimate use for them in many non-terminal individuals.
Dom Trussardi I have a chronic autoimmune disease that has lead to complete disability and am on many different medications. I was also a professor in Health Sciences. I have done quite a bit of study on different medications and their side effects. The following is a quote from the National Institute on Drug Abuse “Physical dependence can happen with the chronic use of many drugs-including many prescription drugs, even if taken as instructed. Thus, physical dependence in and of itself does not constitute addiction, but it often accompanies addiction. This distinction can be difficult to discern, particularly with prescribed pain medications, for which the need for increasing dosages can represent tolerance or a worsening underlying problem, as opposed to the beginning of abuse or addiction.”
@@Adara007 yeah it's sad for ppl who really do suffer with severe pain ,they are the unfortunate casualties of the opioid epidemic. A good Dr can usually tell the difference...but sadly there aren't enough good Drs
Wow the last part is spot on. Benzodiazepines aren’t “bad” drugs, they can be bad drugs depending on the circumstances of their use, they can also be good drugs depending on the circumstances. They absolutely can be terrible, but the fact is they are highly efficacious however with a serious dependence liability and so need to be prescribed carefully.
No …… they need to be superseded by something much safer and efficacious, they were invented more than 50 years ago and all that time Pharma has been coining it in and they haven’t bothered to find an alternative
Dr. Grande, first of all and I would like to thank you for uploading 2 videos today, what a treat!
Second, this video is of tremendous value for everyone. I do believe that drugs are beneficial while treating many health conditions, I am not in any way against medications. However, the important point is when and how much. Unfortunately the awareness is very poor and many people continue to suffer by erroneous usage of drugs. Education is key! Thank you for using your channel to increase awareness of the potentially dangerous effects of benzodiazepines withdrawal.
thank you for adding a reasoned and balanced commentary on this medication.
This really is a testament to how ignorance is by far not the only issue when addressing drug-related issues. At least people can get more informed from this awful situation.
Luriven - True statement; however, ignorance does exacerbate the problem. People believe they know what is best for them when they have no knowledge of human physiology while doctors can often believe that the “baseline” is the same for all people.
Personally, I believe that if a person can find a way to manage their health without benzos then THAT is the best choice. Sadly, many people just want a pill to make them feel better and won’t take the time to really educate and manage their own health.
@@derekboyt3383 Absolutely agreed. Psychosocial solutions, or even the less dangerous biological ones, are always preferable.
Has nothing to do with ignorance,who do you think created these drugs?The same people today are giving anti-psychotics,wich is far more dangerous than benzo's.I have a sister who's taking this shit for 24 years,and she does'nt know in wich village she lives .People should be warned,not for benzo's ,but for anti-psychotics.
Maybe if there weren't so many different drugs with different addictions with simpler names. I'm a simple guy, ya know. I can barely pronounce Bendohaztrinamine or whatever.
Yes but a psychologist not knowing what a benzodiazepine is?? A guy advising millions and making a fortune advising millions of people on how to cope with their lifes difficulties, doesn't now seem an ideal candidate to be taking life advice from.
Of course that doesn't mean I dont wish him a full and speedy recovery, which I do.
Maybe when Peterson gets better, you could do a video with him? Did you ever think about doing videos with other people? I wonder if he would like this channel if he knew about it.
Peterson is very very present on youtube. He will know the channel already. I assume that he likes the channel, but who knows.
I think he would actually come on to this channel if he got better. Dr Todd deserves the exposure too, he has a great mind of his own.
@@tonyburton419 why?
@@tonyburton419 Agreed. Peterson is too toxic because unlike Dr. Grande, he can't help himself but venture outside of his field of expertise all the time. Worse yet, when he does that, he pretends to speak authoritatively on subjects he's got no expertise in and that essentially makes him a charlatan.
To make matters worse, it's so obvious how utterly ignorant he is...basically about everything other than psychology and yet psychology is something he barely ever talks about.
He became famous in the first place, not because of his contribution to, or comments about psychology. No, he became famous by misinterpreting (some would say outright lying about) the Canadian law, specifically bill C16 - the amendment to the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code. Things had gotten so bad that the Canadian bar association had to come out with a public statement ripping everything Peterson was spewing about that bill apart, showing how and why he was comically wrong about it.
Other than that, he's most famous, again not for psychology, but for his nonsensical religious and political views, as well as his embarrassing foray into philosophy and history wherein he had maintained his ridiculous view based on the right wing conspiracy theory from the 1990s. right up until the end of his public career.
He reminds me of those ideologues who use half-baked pseudoscience to justify their ideological beliefs. So, he had claimed that human hierarchies were justified as they are, because lobsters supposedly show signs of hierarchical behavior. The funniest part - in support of this he had cited a single paper done on shellfish, lol!
Or there was his claim about a supposed scientific proof showing that taking hallucinogens only once, results in smoking cessation in 80% of cases.
He'd conveniently failed to mention that this claim of his was based on, yet again...ONE clinical study with 15 participants, which hadn't been set up as a proper experiment, but more as a novel approach based on controlled administration of psilocybin in the context of a treatment program involving cognitive behavioral therapy.
Then there's Peterson's claim about the mating snakes imagery in thousands of years old ancient art, really representing the DNA double helix...etc.
The guy does have real issues, but that doesn't excuse his pseudoscientific garbage he's been spewing forth for years.
Alex Larsen Haha wow, very critical. I think he’s brilliant.
Considering the amount of pressure he was under in the last two or three years, and then the illness of his wife, I'm not surprised neither by paradoxical reactions to the drugs nor by diffuculty to come off them even under strict supervision in a rehab facility. These things are really nasty, really, apart from some extreme cases they shouldn't be applied, it's almost as if you were prescribed alcohol to calm your nerves. Then we have millions of people struggling to quit, often jumping from one benzo to another, in an endless, bottomless pit of misery, lack of sleep, and general disappointment with life and themselves.
I hope to hear from Jordan Peterson in the near future and see him in good health. He helped me in getting my life together more than any professional that I ever visited, not that there where too many of them, but still, even they had physical contact with me, they were not able to open my eyes to certain things anywhere near to how Jordan Peterson did that. I really hope he'll be ok.
Thank you for helping so many, in so many ways. Like many, most of us struggle just to pay for our insurance monthly (25% of my monthlt income!!!) but still have to research and self diagnose some serious health issues. I wish my own doctor and ALL doctors were able to take the time with such sensitive subjects without prejudice or without the worry of some jerk suing them. Unfortunately, SO MANY WHO SEEK OUT HELP ARE SIMPLY FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS WITH FATAL RESULTS.
Thank you very much for this discussion. As a physician and addiction specialist I found it to be a very clear and well balanced presentation.
A relative of mine was put on benzos and the withdrawal was horrendous, it was horrendous for my relative and for every one who had to witness and support them.
The drugs should be banned, there are other treatments for anxiety and CBT is a brilliant evidence based alternative(although I am aware that it has a 50% success rate).
Based on the reaction, I witnessed, it would have been kinder to sedate them than to put them on benzos.
My advice is to avoid benzos like the plague.
I don't understand how people can take "dependence" and "paradoxical reaction" and conclude it was a drug addiction. Have you done a video on the difference between dependence and addiction?
@In CogNito yikes!
I appreciated all of Dr Peterson's advice.. . Except in regard to his faith in pharmaceuticals. (which I have always thought of as being in direct opposition to the concept of personal understanding and autonomy).
@@NuevoExistence We over esteem the use of chemicals for spiritual issues. They are often over prescribed. Often mis prescribed. Often dangerous. Often harmful. Sometimes useful.
@@NuevoExistence.. They are too commercial a solution. Too ready an option.
I agree.
@@NuevoExistence You can see how well it's working...Right.
@@NuevoExistence Many times life issues/deficiencies masquerade as mental health issues, which makes the medications counterproductive from a long-term perspective (e.g. - someone who's depressed because they have no meaningful relationships needs to use that depression as a signal to create some meaningful relationships, rather than not changing their life and just using a pill to turn off their body's distress signal to them). Also, in cases where a medication/medical solution is truly justified that doesn't mean the patient will immediately (or ever) receive a medical solution/medication that works well for them without too many side-effects (e.g. - lobotomies are proven to work too, but the side-effects are obviously horrendous for people who didn't truly need one [that's obviously a rather extreme example, but the point being psychiatric meds are still quite primitive/kludgey and must be treated as so]).
Hopefully he makes a full recovery, he doesn't deserve to suffer. I've kept him and his family in my prayers
Finally, an educated video from a real professional! Thank you, Dr!
I appreciate your realistic and informative approach. I am a person with severe RA who has been prescribed opiates in the past during bad flare-ups of my disease. I have voluntarily weaned myself off opiates multiple times when they are no longer needed for pain management. I have also been prescribed clonazepam, this during a tumultuous separation/legal battle with a narcissitic former life partner. I also breezed through the tapering process with that prescription. These drugs have helped me inumerably. There seems to be huge stigma attached to opiates and people face increasing scrutiny and judgement from the general public and even the medical profession when they take them legitimately. If I enter an Emergency department and I am currently on opiates for my RA, despite communicating my disease during triage, I am automatically treated as a drug seeker. Education and awareness is the key. As my Gran would say, “don’t throw out the baby with the bath water”. There are many people whose quality of life largely depends on these prescription medications.
You could make your own liquid medication by dissolving pills in an eye dropper of distilled water (maybe some grain alcohol, too). Do the math of how many drops equal a dose. You'd want to make it really weak so that a full dose is many drops so that each dose will be more consistent. Tapering would be easier this way.
There is a 3 week period of neurotransmitter adjustment. Therefore if you drop every 2 weeks, there will be a stack-up before the neurotransmitters catch up. Over time - say 3 - 4 tapers, this will build up, and symptoms will increase. It is vital that if you taper every 2 weeks, you hold for 3-4 weeks in between tapers (say, every 3 tapers) to allow the neurotransmitter adjustment.
HEY DOC! Thanks for taking the time to put this out there for folks. All disclaimers are inferred. No worries. Keep up the good work.👍
I was one of the first people to receive Xanax when it came out in the 80s. I took it for 4 years. By the time clinicians became aware that it had major withdrawal issues after long term use, I was hooked. The withdrawals were horrific! It took me years to feel normal again.
Clonazepam has been my go-to benzo for severe anxiety and panic over the last 15 years. (In between I didn't take any anxiolytics.) I had no idea this was even an issue! I only need a week or two to taper. I don't like long tapers, because if symptoms become severe it's too tempting to take extra for a day or two, which messes up the taper. I learned this the hard way from trying to ween off opioids/opiates, after a few years taking them. It was very hard getting off opioids because withdrawal symptoms were so uncomfortable. After failing to stick to my taper schedule repeatedly, I went to 1/2 a dose for 2 days, then went cold turkey because I knew withdrawals were only for a few days. Ever since I taper as fast as I can bear. I have lots more self-control now then I did in my 20s though.
I mostly just live with my anxiety symptoms these days, but if I get depressed (I have major Depressive Disorder - in remission) my pain and anxiety levels become pronounced. I had no idea this was even a thing with clonazepam!
@jfsfrnd 4-6 mg day. I started with 3 then increased to 6. Now they start people off with lower doses. It worked wonders for the first few years.
@jfsfrnd They started you at a higher dose in the '80s, about double I think.
@jfsfrnd Do you still use benzos? I try to avoid them because of their toxic effects on the brain. I've found that just getting more mature makes it easier to cope. I never had valium, because it scared me. Xanax was the new wonder drug that cured anxiety with fewer side effects. That's true in part, but it's addictive and toxic when taken long term.
I hope you're are doing well. :-)
There is a wide range of patient experiences in tapering. Some patients have horrible time coming off. Flumanzenil does not work for a great many cases. Tapering doesn’t work in everyone because the CNS damage is already done. GABA receptors down regulate so much that there’s nothing to do but wait it out.
You and Dr. Jordan Peterson have a lot of respect for and great people in this field.
I experienced the very same situations of Dr Peterson to whom I wish the best; with benzos. I developed instant addiction and paradoxical reaction. Took me a full year to detox and 15 years later I still have some issues. I also damaged (mildly) my heart. I was erroneously prescribed xanax for insomnia; ended up with paranoia, hallucinations, depression, maniac crisis and suicide thoughts. I wish I had the kind of information provided by people like Dr Grande back then, I would have spared myself and my family a lot of distress and pain.
Hi, what u mean with instant? After taking one pill? And hoe long did intake this benzo?
@@johanvdvoorst4269 Apologies for the huge delay. Yes, I began experiencing these issues the morning after taking the first pill (0.25 mg), and they progressively worsened. I was unable to stop the use for almost a year until I was hospitalized. Following that, I underwent therapy with a specialist.
I would really love it if you could do videos on recovery from an abusive relationship once it's over. Many professionals say that we're all individuals and need to see our own counsellors but sometimes life just doesn't give the single parent time to do that. There's a lot of advice out there but it's mixed with Law of Attraction ideology and out-dated research and pseudo-science. What direction do we need to go in? What should we avoid? What goals should we aim for? Is the 2 years of single life necessary? Or is it one year for each decade of the marriage? What expectations are too high, and how do we know when we're done?
Someone in my life has tried to get off of Adderall, Wellbutrin, and Seroquel cold turkey and it was the most awful withdrawal (and only withdrawal) I had ever seen. This person had a been sober 5 yrs had relapse but he had been using at one point the medication you talked about. It was incredibly difficult to watch and attempt to comfort.
There is a psychiatrist in the UK that recently got akathisia while trying to come off of Paxil. He tried to take his own life. He survived to tell the tale, but he isn’t able to get off of the Paxil, because the discontinuation symptoms are so severe and deadly.
Lisa Smith - has he tried tapering off? How will his body know the difference between 100mg and 99mg? Or 24hr since dose vs 25hrs?
What’s his name
Wow, Dr. Grande, the level of depth and accuracy of your videos is amazing. You might not be a physician but you certainly know your stuff about benzos! Cutting tablets (even in half) is always a gamble. I'm surprised that with our level of technological advancement, we haven't come up with a better pill cutter yet. Thanks for another very interesting video!
Thanks Doc, very informative. Well wishes to Dr Peterson and his family.
Concerning technical difficulties in tapering (spelling?):
As a former user it wasn't a problem. You can extend the time between doses instead, monitoring your plasma concentration.
My strategy was to grind a tablet and ad some extra starch (powder) and mix it.
It was pretty easy to lower the accumulated amount in my body to ca 2 mg. Then I simply took as little as was needed to not experience withdrawal symptoms (0.5 mg in the beginning).
It's a risk/temptation to eat to much when you feel sick, you must be patient. There's also immediate positive effects also - like increased energy. The back side being difficulties in falling asleep (try Melatonin).
After ca 2 weeks I was eating next to nothing. Then came the extended phase were I had to continue eating small doses (0.1 mg) for maybe a month. As soon as I started feeling depressed I knew it was time for another micro dose.
Then one day all the withdrawal symptoms was gone.
Total time to stop eating was maybe >1 - 1.5 months.
With that said I've heard of patients who have experienced extended withdrawals for up to two years, but they were using crazy high doses and being prescribed Zopiclone at the time they tried to stop eating benzodiazepines(!).
Woah... I was in several meds for my diagnosis and when I stopped receiving financial support for them and could not afford them anymore, I stopped cold turkey, no tapering. One of the 4 kinds I was taking was a benzodiazepine...
sure I felt like absolute crap for 2 months straight, could not get real sleep for 1 month and had side effects for the following months.... I didn’t know you could die from cutting them straight away...
people should be informed of this before starting medication...
Why are you such a good explainer? Why can’t most people be even half as good as you at basic critical thinking?
Incredibly thoughtful, informative, and helpful. Thank you!
I took this same drug for 23 years for a panic disorder. Then my healthcare provider said they would no longer prescribe it because of the risks of long term use. I tapered on my own for two years to wean myself from a dosage of .5 mg tablet 3 times per day . I did this by cutting each pill into 4 pieces and then reducing daily intake by 1/4 pill for two months, then another 1/4 pill for two more months until I was down to zero. If I had known what I know now I would never have taken this drug.
I was hoping you'd come out with a video like this, so we laymen can understand things better.
@M Z weed is pretty boring compared to how it's portrayed on tv
You Rock Dr. Grande !!!! I always watch you and admire you. You are one of my favorites and I pray for Jordan Peterson to get better and like you say something-good comes out of this situation as I’m sure it already is.
Woow 2 videos in a day! Dr.Grande is on fire 😆🖒
I am in Canada and my cloneazepam dose is .25Mg twice a day. I am testing the water by eliminating the morning dose the last three days. Early morning anxious dreams have returned. Great video. Thanks
Can you PLEASE do a post on the PreDormal period before someone gets afflicted with schizophrenia?
Yes please!
I've been on benzodiazapines for 37 years. They have been a complete lifesaver for me.
This is so weird! Lаst night I saw the first JP video for the first time and tonight just before I go to bed around the same time, this video, update on the first one, comes out 😮And the first video was not recommended to me, I scrolled through all of Dr. Grande's videos and chose that one specifically because I know of JP.
I am on lorazepam and I also have a cluster c personality disorder. I'm paranoid because of my other anxiety disorders lol but I know I shouldnt be because I'm too paranoid about not having my lorazepam for a massive panic attack, so every bad panic attack I have, I refuse to take it because the thought is, would if I need it next time and I run out? Just got a refill because for the last 2 years, I've been holding onto my very last pill because I didn't want to ask for more out of fear of my doctor thinking I was drug seeking... 😖😖 I live day to day in a constant state of panic, frequent panic attacks daily with at least 5 major attacks a week with nocturnal panic attacks. Its AWESOME... 😒😒
It should be noted, I've tried multiple other options and had either not effect, minimal effect, or severe bad reactions.
You are a wonderful person 🤗
Thank you for being so brave and sharing
God bless you
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@@graceandfaith869 I've been working very hard to do my part to end the stigma. I'm not at a place yet to openly talk about my traumas, but I am at a point that I can admit my issues and explain to people who want to know what it is. Typically I share a dr. Grande video on my particular personality disorder. DPD.
@@SamiSmolboi
You are a sweetheart ❤❤❤
Holly K i could have written this myself! My GP will only give me 14 x 1mg pills every two weeks. Sometimes I need more than that if I’m having a bad day. But the amount of anxiety and panic I have about *not* having the tablets when I need them because of fear the doctor will think I’m drug seeking only adds to my problems 🙁
@@brusselsprout5851
Thank you for sharing
Im happy God and his angels was with you at your darkest moments
May you have peace and love and happiness
Sending you love from Ireland
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I was on clonazepam for years and never got addicted. I took .5mg up to 3 times a day but only used it at bedtime to stop restless legs. For 4 years took 1mg at bedtime.
Ran out of script and didn’t have new dr. Was no issue and I’m fine no withdrawal issues.
I was on clonazepam for maybe 2.5 years, but it really did more harm than good, didn't really helped me stop my panic attacks completely nor my anxiety, just a bit less, but not enough. It made me very depressed and suicidal, I was always sleepy. I did went off of them with the help of a new psychiatrist, decreasing and exchanging for other medication, and it went well for me. I had the option to go to a hospital, if I started to feel bad, I had a rough week with bad sleep and sweats but besides that I pulled through. My doctor was a bit concern at the beginning specially how I was put on the drug for so long and I got a bit scared, and was very nice explaining all things that can happen and that I am not alone. A good psychiatrist or physician makes a world of difference, I am really grateful.
I really hope Jordan Peterson recovers. I don't know him but I admire his honesty, intellect and courage.
@Dom Trussardi I guess Carl Jung, Sigmund Freud also provided fake solutions. Since Peterson bases his philosophy on them.
@Dom Trussardi It's the new thinking now anyways. Everything in the past is stupid and should be forgotten. I mean have you ever met anybody who has read a book?
Modern thinking now is infinite economic growth.
@Dom Trussardi
Sigmund Freud, 80 years after his death, is still, arguably, the most well-known name in psychoanalysis in the world. Considered the father of modern psychology, his theories and ideas on the connections that exist between the conscious mind, the subconscious mind, the body, and the world around us are still as widely known as they were when he first espoused them at the turn of the 20th century. However, as we have had, now, a century-plus of building off of Freud’s theories, how relevant are his ideas with what we now understand about both the human mind and the way in which we can (and maybe should) go about treating the illnesses contained within it? Are the foundations of psychoanalysis that Freud established still the foundations that modern psychotherapy should be built off of, or do his ideas lack the nuance that modern mental health care and analysis demand? Or, simply put-how often are cigars truly just cigars?
Freud Is an Outdated Fossil
Freud's influence on modern culture has been profound and long-lasting.”
But, Freud has, for the most part, fallen completely out of favor in academics. Simply put, no one taking psychology seriously would use him as a credible source. In 1996, Psychological Science reached the conclusion that, “There is literally nothing to be said, scientifically or therapeutically, to the advantage of the entire Freudian system or any of its component dogmas." As a research paradigm, it’s pretty much dead.
But wait, how does that mean he’s still relevant? Well…
Freud was absolutely correct in his assertion that we are not masters of our own mind. He showed that human experience, thought, and deeds are not exclusively driven by our conscious mind, but by forces outside our conscious awareness and control-ones that we could eventually understand through the therapeutic process he called, “psychoanalysis.” Today, very few would argue against the idea of the unconscious mind, and Freud’s claim for the central role of the unconscious mind in human actions is as relevant to psychology today as it was then (see the following collection of essays called Frontiers of Consciousness).
Freud also argued for the idea that the brain can be compartmentalized, that brain function can be broken down into individual parts. His take on this, of course, was incredibly primitive, as Freud mostly spoke of the ego, id, and superego-ideas we don’t really accept any more, as mentioned above. But, his larger thesis of psychic compartmentalization has gone to influence such thinkers as the cognitive scientist Marvin Minsky, who talks about the society of mind.
As well, Freud's take on defense mechanisms still holds relevance. Few people, including psychologists, would deny that we all too regularly employ such defenses as denial, repression, projection, intellectualization, and rationalization. The same can be said for his ideas on transference and catharsis. And though we no longer subscribe to Freudian dream interpretation, some of our dreams are so blatantly driven by our conscious and subconscious desires and fears that it’s obvious Freud was onto something with that idea, too.
Ultimately, Freud’s modern contributions apply more to attitudes than any actual therapeutic methods, though this is not a bad thing. He established foundations that modern mental health care are built off of, and the modern attitude of those engaging in the mental health care process certainly seem to stem from his main thesis statement as to what patients should be getting out of therapy, which, simply put, is, “Know thyself.”
@Dom Trussardi I thought I would listen to one of JP'S lectures and I honestly can't see anything wrong with what he is saying. You probably don't like him, because it's personal or something. Unless you can make a case for something he is doing that is so wrong?
Took valium for 7.5 years followed by 8 month taper and I am currently a little over 3 months free from benzos.
Thank you SO much for this video as it affected a family member! What is REALLY a problem in this country is the hysteria the opioid crisis and all the misinformation around it. It definitely leaked past opioids to other medications that can be abused! My family member has had severe anxiety to the crippling point as well as BP. When he moved and had to find a new Dr is when the hell began! Drs treating him like he was pill shopping or lying, irregardless of having medical records. He was on .5mg as you said the lowest dose. The humiliation he went thru was unreal and so not fair! This medication was the one medication that helped him. And believe me, he was put on many!
I have personal experience with the hysteria around the opioid crisis and what that created! I’ve got severe disc problems in my neck and spine, arthritis and bone spurs. I’ve had 3 major surgeries on my spine and am looking “forward” to surgeries on my neck and more on my spine! Not to mention COUNTLESS other procedures with injections and other treatments. Problem is you’d never know it by looking at me. People are under the misconception that if you are that bad, or in that kind of pain daily, you’ll be limping or bed ridden. I will be on medication of some sort the test of my life, this kind of thing doesn’t get better with age LOL!!
I’ve been quizzed and embarrassed in front of other customers by young pharmacy staff, I’ve been treated like a criminal and or junkie. If there was something other than meds that helped believe me I’d be thrilled. I went to detox before one surgery to clear my system out, and was off all meds for a month longer than needed, as I needed to prove to myself this really was the thing that helped me. You know who was at the detox a bunch of young junkies and people with medical conditions! The people with medical conditions all were there because they didn’t want to be on opioids....the stigma of it. Not because their Dr wanted them to!
So in summary, the people that are really suffering are those with conditions that require medications that abusers use to get high! The stigma from some Dr.s and the public makes dealing with it so unnecessarily worse!
As always thank you for your videos! Always thought provoking!
Search #ourpain on TH-cam!! There are those who are helping! God bless!
This hysteria is killing people. Nobody should ever be cold-turkeyed off of this crap. And people in the chronic pain community are giving up, because they have lost their ability to participate in life.
Lisa Smith Thanks for your comment and to the Dr for his videos! It’s nice to know you’re not alone out there! I’m sure there’s all kinds of horror stories out there! Best wishes!
Scott Baldridge Thank you! 😘
I like to look at the cause/motivation, mostly the issue is 'addiction to thinking', patient cannot 'get out of their head', can be diagnosed as anxiety, so use of drugs which target the GABA receptor, so a short course of a benzodiazepine or a 'z' drug to help with insomnia (or even melatonin to 'reset' circadian rhythm). Given that Jordan is a top psychologist I can imagine that his 'thinking processes' got the better of him. Sadly this kind of thing is very common in clinical practice, identifying the underlying cause as addiction to thinking, and so counteracting this with relaxation techniques can be very effective and preclude the pharamacological route, which in the case of benzos can be introducing yet another addiction. Very interesting case.
Remember, though, that a "paradoxical reaction" means that it's atypical. Consider that a great many (the vast majority) of people take this drug without issue - and many, with benefit. The same is true for opioids painkillers; many people take potentially addictive drugs, and while they will invariably develop physical dependence, that isn't the same as addiction. The truth is that most people who take clonazepam taper off it just fine on their own, just as most people who use opioids don't find themselves standing on street corners, selling themselves for a "hit."
I know this comment is going to elicit a string of... "Well, my cousin, Frank took OxyContin... let me tell you what happened to him!" and... "My hairdresser's daughter took benzo's and guess what happened to her?!" I'm not saying these and other bad things don't happen. I'm saying that these medications have legitimate uses, and they're used very successfully much of the time.
AMEN 100 percent agree thank you!
That’s not really true. Some people do have polymorphisms CYP450 and have been prescribed benzos or any psychotropic may God bless them as they will experience hell on earth
I am one of the cases where Clonazepam worked well, short-term to save me from intense suffering due to a phase of insomnia and anxiety/depression. I was also scared out of my wits to take it and had the most high motivation to get off of it due to all the horror stories like Petersons. Don't like taking meds, and am not an addictive type. One provider said to me "If you take this longer than 2 weeks you'll never get off of it." I tapered down once my sleep was under control, and took the smallest dose to begin with-
A “Paradoxical drug reaction”: when the drug produces the OPPOSITE effect to what was intended or expected, I think. eg. an anti-anxiety drug causes anxiety or a sleeping pill causes excitability. It’s not just an unexpected effect; it’s an opposite effect. Not to be nit picky but it’s an important distinction. Try having an unexpected/rare side effect or paradoxical reaction: docs don’t believe you lol. Side note: I wonder if Jordan Peterson’s all-meat diet played a role in how his Rxs affected him. We start life off with our unique body chemistry and personality, then add food/exercise/emotion/mental state, then medications on top...
firestarblue I looked Paradoxical Drug Reaction up and you are correct. It is having the opposite effect of the drug’s intended effect. There is also something that can happen with benzodiazepines called the “rebound effect” - which is when you start experiencing withdrawals before your next dose is due. That is really scary to think about!
@@barbiekat6352 very important for those who prescribe even the smallest doses of something like Librium to remember...and there are patients that have been on Valium and Librium for years and even decades... They are not immune to rebound effects once they have only been on the drugs for weeks as prescribed and try to get off of them...
Hey :) I have always been fascinated by how individuals can respond so differently to drug therapies (especially the placebo effect!) and when I saw this I immediately thought of his diet (that being the last thing I heard about him) so I wondered: does his limited diet play a role in how his medications are being metabolized (like I read somewhere that protein deficiency can cause problems because of binding to proteins and other science words lol). The studies on the gut biome are exciting and bring hope in medicIne and its link to mental health. I think it’s important to stay curious and ask questions and I trust others will give me benefit of the doubt and not assume I have malicious intent or an agenda. Discussing difficult taboo topics can lead to innovation. You’re right: some people struggle to find the drug that’s right for them and it’s scary. Best wishes for the family.
It’s also likely that Peterson’s terribly negative and combative tenor, which he adopted in the years leading up to this , contributed to the way the drug effected him.
Not to mention his hateful attitude towards trans genders and the backlash he got from his peers concerning it.
That peer rejection, coupled with abject mockery may also have been a great blow to his eg. must have been crushing to find that many of the people who did approve of his ideas were angry incel
youngsters.
Or not, it’s hard to say if the chicken came before the egg
hexum7 You are a sad person.
Thanks for that explanation!!! Wish Jordan the best
I also experienced this kind of nightmare. (Tapering off clonazepam and paradoxical reactions)
I've been on Xanax for 28 years and they say it's a high dose. I've tried coming off them and I get severe Hallucinations and it is terrifying. I feel like I'll be on these forever. I was just in the hospital with COVE and they didn't give me my meds and I thought the doctor was going to kill me and I thought the nurses were messing with me. It's so scary. I don't know how long the Hallucinations last?
Well done 👍 on a topic that is very important
I used clonazepam for 3 years, every night before bed, unmercifully loud neighbor above. Excellent for sleep. Six months ago, I too was forced to stop taking the benzodiazepine. No rehab, just two weeks of unmitigated Hell. After about a month, I began to stabilize. That's an experience I do not want to repeat!
Awwww, we got a bonus video today... 🎁 ... much appreciated! 🤗 Helps, when being housebound!
Great topic... I wish Dr. Peterson the best. I still don't fully understand why he didn't try ADs. This is such an atypical behaviour for a psychologist imo. He knows of himself that he suffers from depression, and being a psychologist is an extra risk he put on his shoulders. So if he suffers from depression plus anxiety I would have tried in his case an SNRI like Venlafaxin for example. I think there is some information missing to really understand what has been going on there, only his doctor and JP himself know, what the reason is for this.
Thank you Doctor for bringing us nicely through the storm. 🙂
Prayers to the Peterson family.
not sure if this is one of the prescription drugs for depression, anxiety, etc that a family member was taking. this person was taking 3-4 high dosages meds like these and literally cold turkeyed off of all of them at one time. I know that's not the norm at all and psychiatrists freaked but there were no side effects whatsoever. Just shows how different people react. Those meds were drugging this person to the point of not functioning and a few days of Deplin (vitamin B9) changed this person's life and brought him/her back to life. Thanks for the video. This was something I knew nothing about.
@@juliettailor1616 I started taking it for some anxiety due to a circumstance I feel stuck in. It works amazingly well for me.Non prescription form is methyl folate.