Who would dislike a video 20 minutes long and it was only uploaded a minute ago? Watch the video and then leave your comment talking about how threatened you feel by women talking about inequality
I don't agree with disliking or liking a video without watching it, however, there are multiple reasons why his might be done. -People don't want this general type of content in such a quantity on this channel. most videos here recently are on the same tired, often disingenuously presented. -Reading the description and basing the opinion on that. -Knowing the Women's Equality Party
Well, in the first four minutes she cracked about a dozen horrible jokes, has said "OK" 475 times and just made the hyperbolic claim that throughout human evolution there has not been a single society where men and women have had equality. That's dislike-worthy for me.
So many smug commenters on this video. Sandi has been a rolemodel, trailblazer and activist longer than most of them have been alive. And what have they accomplished?
Reading the comments here. It seems that most people want women to be subservient and stay at home. What Sandi wants (and she is amazing by the way, with me being British she's always been brilliant to listen to) is women to have equal opportunities as men. Now I imagine the comments will say that of course women have opportunities but when you have a system that does not cater for women in positions of power either via social networks (ie getting friends to work with you) or having positive role models. The point she makes about sport and the top 100 FTSE CEO proves there aren't those role models. It's a lot easier to name more male sport stars (David Beckham or Eli Manning) and CEOs (Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Steve Jobs) than it is to name female ones. And statistically you can not say men are smarter than women when women now are more likely to be in higher education than men. It just needs social changes of attitudes. Remember 100 years ago, women and people of colour were not deemed to be smart enough to vote. Ideals and norms change and we all need to check ourselves for our privilege sometimes.
Chaos Theory Why not? This is about equality. It's about women having the confidence to go for jobs they want to go for. Right now, STEM subjects are about 80% studied by men. And I don't believe it's because women are not smart enough to do those things, but when society works against you its a lot harder to get into these types of subjects. And if you don't believe society isn't working against women, just read the other comments. All pretty much hate filled.
+Antony Jones 2 things 1) Do you think that if a woman made pay pal that it would have made less money same for Apple or Microsoft. All of those CEOs are either some of the richest people in the world Bill Gates Steve Jobs or put themselves out there Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and especially Elon Musk 2) She didn't want equal opportunity she wanted equal rights while those might seem similar they are not.
maxybaer123 Actually statically I don't believe it would have made as much money. The whole point of the glass ceiling is because men are already in top positions they know more men in top positions. Having better social contacts (and a man is more likely to use a male contact than female for various reasons) means creating a successful business will be easier. And equal opportunities and equal rights are two sides of the same coin. Both are important for equality.
Chaos Theory Communism is very different to women's equality. I would also say how many famous women were there in Soviet Russia so it wasn't exactly egalitarian was it? And there is a correlation between a lack of women at the top and discrimination and injustice. Because if those things were completely absent, there would be more definitely women in those positions.
No, feminism does not want equal opportunity. Feminism wants female privilege. Feminism uses pre-existing notions such as equality or equal opportunity to push for female privilege. Does the women's equality party also push for equality when equality would benefit men? No, because it's not the universal equality party. It's the women's equality party. It wants female privilege and it calls female privilege "equality for women".
Who wants to try and guess how many of the "rational intellectuals" watched over half the video befor disliking it? I'm betting 15%, though I might be giving them too much credit.
I'm going to guess that people disliked because it's feminist. But maybe if you watch the video you'll realise that not one point she made was wrong. The gender pay gap thing was possibly the only thing but her solution to it was "Get more women in the boardroom" which is the correct solution. She acknowledged the equal pay act and she acknowledged that women have the same rights to vote. She gave actual statistics, actual concerns and actual reasons behind her dissatisfaction. Yes, there are men's issues too, but she never said that men have no problems, she was pointing out woman's problems in this talk. How about you listen to what she has to say and take it on board. Accepting that women aren't equal to men doesn't mean that you have to stop worrying about men's issues, nor does it mean that you become a fully fledged feminist. It just means that you become aware of all the issues in the world.
The more free a country is the more drastic the gender "gap" is. In China and India women have more well paying jobs percentage wise than the so progressive Sweden. How can that be, its almost like if given a choice women don't want the jobs men do. So are we going to force women into jobs they don't want? Or force men out of jobs to make room? Appoint women to positions they haven't EARNED because parity of outcomes? Social Justice can't be measured so there can never be parity regardless of how many kulaks are disposed of.
Trav McDonald Notice how I said that the one point I wasn't in total agreement with was the gender pay gap. Yes, a woman is more likely to choose to be a housewife than a man. I was agreeing with her point that there shouldn't be this disparity in business. The lack of high ranking women is a major contributor to the pay gap (As in the average pay for all women one) and women should have more of a presence in this field. No one has ever suggested taking men out of jobs.
eu4eagle ha, someone who believes in bullshit. This wonderful free market regulated itself enough to create the biggest economic crash of the last 80 years. It also regulates itself enough to create monopolies to drive up prices for consumers. It regulates enough to keep power within families and small groups. It's regulated itself so that 80% of wealth is spread between the top 1%. Do you think it will regulate itself enough to maintain gender equality?
+idontcare80 Honestly, that one is at least debatable. You could go on about how it's forcing women to have abortions etc. I don't agree with that but there is more of a case to be made than blatant bias in cases like the sentencing gap, incarceration, custody of children, and the Nottinghamshire thing with misogynistic "hate crimes".
***** That's not the argument at all. Women should be able to do whatever they want with their child, but they shouldn't be able to force men into paying for that child. If women aren't required to pay for a child they produce, men shouldn't be forced to either.
+Denis Brezovsky You don't have to force women to get an abortion to give men that same freedom. Just allow men to financially abort the child. That means that they cut all ties with that family, and won't be held financially responsible for it. That way you won't see men being forced to pay for babies they never intended to have, or as happens in some states, men who where the victims of rape being forced to pay child support to the women who took advantage of them.
Mister Gregar I ment that you could argue that a lot of women would not be able to support a child, therefore forcing them to abortion. I don't agree with that, but it could be used as a point.
The people disagreeing with her arguments in a calm and reasoned manner don't worry me. The many, many ones saying that they'll unsubscribe from ted for exposing them to these horrendous ideas. The comments spreading false information and conspiracy theories and just plain old personal insults and expressions of bile towards her and women in general, they bother me.
I appreciate how Sandi took even recognizable information and delivered it in a way that felt inspiring and fresh. I loved this talk; laughing and cheering all the way through.
I'm ready to start a branch of this party where I live! As much as I absolutely love her, I'm also disappointed watching this so many years later. Why hasn't this taken off!?!
Why so many dislikes, discrimination for whatever reason can't be right, and I'm definately on Sandi's side against the idiots who threaten her and her family just because of her sexual orientation. Great talk, thank you Sandi Toksvig
The wonderfully funny, witty, enchanting and incredibly intelligent Sandi Toksvig has stirred up the TH-cam commenter's here. It seems to me that many people cannot handle truth thrown at them. Sandi provides not only facts, but the source of information too. Everything she says is in numbers, online and easy for you to access. If you don't believe her, then check the sources. Ask yourself very simple questions: 1. Do women have representation in sports? 2. Are some women better than some men at certain sports? 3. Do women have representation in the history we study at schools? 4. What do you think the reason for that is? 5. Do women tend to have less paid jobs? 6. Why do you think that is? 7. Do women own run less companies than men? 8. Why do you think that is? 9. Do you think women have less representation in society? (traffic lights are of a man, we say "man-kind", the drawing of evolution is always of a man)? 10. Why do you think that is? 11. Is Sandi Toksvig wrong about anything she said? 12. Can you provide evidence? 13. Is Sandi Toksvig doing the wrong thing? 14. Is what Sandi Toksvig advocating for harmful? 15. Do men have problems in society aswell? 16. Why do they have problems? 17. Is it fair to say that women do not suffer inequality, but men do? 18. Is it normal than in a world with 50% men and 50% women, there can be such a massive difference in representation? Is it fair? The dislikes on this video but lack of appropiate responses demonstrate something very convincing: a lot of modern society believes that we live in an equal society because that what it seems. But the numbers don't add up: more men in power, more men in politics, more men in sports (and don't go talking about biology - there's nothing in men's biology that gets us televised), more men in jobs, more men in history, more men in pretty much everything. Even in sectors some consider to be for women such as cooking and fashion. These are numbers none of you can deny. Stop pretending everything is fine and jolly, and look at the numbers.
I would say disenfranchising half of the population from the public discourse is something. But I agree you shouldn't call them feminazis, it makes it seem like feminists actually come in sane varieties.
*It's getting old*, every time you'll see something about women equality, be sure that there is *the average youtube sheep* that *will give it a dislike* without even seeing the first frame of the video.
Well, if you really think that, then why are you doing the exact same thing ? You don't know for a fact that this is true, yet you're assuming it is. I know I'm playing devil's advocate here, but in the sake of honesty, we shouldn't stoop to the level of people behaving like those that you are describing. I think the overall rating of the video translates something. It might be pure hate/or resentment towards the ideology behind the talk, or towards the title of the talk, or simply that most viewers have watched the video, and didn't like it. (Or other reasons, who knows...)
Kim Kaval yes we don't know but there are evidence pointing that it's probably people who made the shortcut : women equality= feminism = "SJW". If you look at the standing ovation at the end of video and the amount of dislike, you know what probably happened... It's not 100% sure though, that I agree with you but it's certainly not 50/50.
Yep. The moment I saw "women's equality" in the title, I know the dudebro patrol would be here to vote it into oblivion. You people are the reason I drink.
What a shame to see that there are still so much ignorance around by unlike results of this video?! It's an Absolutely Peaceful, High Spirit Speech with the great sense of humor and profound message on Social Justice and Equality for all minorities!
I really enjoyed this TED Talk. Then when i finished watching, i looked down at the like to dislike ratio, and all the crazy comments and was shocked. Then i remembered......Oh yea, i'm on the internet.....and wasn't that shocked anymore. Idiots....
Thank you Sandi for speaking out about equality! Don't let the assholes/trolls get you down! This comment section in particular proves we need it. Thanks TED for prioritizing voices trying to make the world a better place. There's so much left to do! You're right. We can't and we won't wait till 2033.
The fact that this video has so many dislikes is so discouraging especially b/c Ted usually caters to a smarter (or so I thought) audience but I've known for a long time that that doesn't make someone impervious to assholery
Thomas P People don't agree with my preferred political agenda being in every thing, comedy web sites, science and technology, they must not be smart, because I know my political views are smart, cause I am smart, so they must be! (how you sound)
Omg, Sandi, I'm so excited about this! Thank you for standing formally for women's rights and equality between men and women, it's inspirational. Also, you rock on QI.
Well said. Everyone deserves rights, not just a single race or gender. That is why things such as Women's Rights and Black Lives Matter annoys me to such an extent. Saying these things implies that somehow not all people deserve equal treatment. The argument should be less about ethnicity and gender and more how we can fix the problems at hand.
No. To say "women's rights" or "women's representation" or "black lives matter" or "support gay marriage" or "don't be biphobic" or "don't be transphobic" is to point out that these particular minorities are not being represented in society the way straight white men are. It is to spot the victims. Did you feel like banners saying "support gay marriage" also meant that they didn't support heterosexual marriage? Do you feel like saying Black Lives Matter is also saying that white lives don't?
Personally, I would say that it depends on the context. For instance, 1st Wave Feminism along with the Civil Rights Movements were both necessary. It was important to distinguish that these groups were human beings that deserved the same right. However, things such as 3rd Wave Feminism, the Anti-Defamation League, and Black Lives Matter have ceased to be equal rights and more about special treatment motivated by bitterness towards events that happened in the past. Not to mention the attitude of these groups can be quite antagonistic. On multiple occasions, when I try to voice my disagreements about groups such as Black Lives Matter and the Anti-Defamation League, I am usually met with some kind of hostility. My problem with these groups lies within is their passive-aggressive hostility towards opposing views and an obnoxious sense of ethical superiority. I support rights for African-Americans, and for the transgendered, and, of course, for homosexuals such as myself. I do not support all of these godforsaken cry-bully groups parading around claiming that they are acting like obnoxious twats on the behalf of other people. I want nothing to do with them or their shallow, worthless identity politics.
Martin Hare Regardless of the original intentions behind the Black Lives Matter hashtag and subsequent movement, the group has since morphed into the black KKK. It's not hard to find video of BLM protesters chanting blatantly anti-white racist slogans. Worse, BLM groups have been filmed deliberately inciting violence against white people, and then carrying out violent acts against white people who just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. In other words, and entire mob of BLM extremists punching and kicking an innocent white person for simply being white. When a social justice movement becomes the very thing it claims to oppose, the rest of society has a responsibility to denounce that movement, and doing so without regard for political correctness (which, it turns out, is a devious tool society uses to inflict tyranny upon itself).
Really, you are annoyed that Black people still not only feel, but are statistically discriminated against, underrepresented in governments and police forces, and got truly fed up after some highly publicized killings at the hands of 'peace officers'? I'm so terribly sorry you are annoyed by any minority group who demands equal rights as you. Discrimination and injustices exist, against everyone, nearly all the time. That doesn't mean you get to write it off because you lack the basic human skills of empathy. And to your last point, that is exactly what these groups focus on and dedicated their resources too, and yet hear you are, annoyed that they want exactly that.
***** 1.- When you mean "criminalize" you equal that to the act of complaining right? Complaining as a criminal act... right? 2.- When men suicide... it is women fault right? But... if a woman commits suicide and people says: "it's a man fault".... then it would sound unfair to you right?
1. No, I mean criminalize as in people actually being arrested and indicted for the act of sitting in the way a man naturally sits. Actual legislation banning it in certain cities' transit systems. 2. So because a man committing suicide is not necessarily a woman's fault, that gives feminists the right to protest meetings trying to find a solution to it even if that talk has absolutely nothing to do with women? Daniel Ostaszewski
***** 1.- Dude, I'm a man and I have NEVER been in the necessity of spreading my legs in order to sit. Not to mention my proportions (cof, cof) and despite of that, trust me, spreading legs is unnecessary and it just denotes inconscient male chauvinism gestures. It is just that you don't realize that... or you don't want to accept it. Those are men being ridiculous and provocative. Plain and simple. Deserved to be punished. Not to mention that they keep space for them that could be for others. It is a lack of social space efficiency and consciousness too. 2.- Women, men, feminists or not (both) can and have to talk about ALL issues regarding social inequalities. Actually that is what feminists do = trying to find solutions for the society in which women can participate and get involved as same as a man.
Crazy Goat So, someone is full of hate and ready to spit prejudices and ignorance right? Lol. Here you are! 1.- Nope, you are wrong in terms. You are referring to "female chauvinists" which have NOTHING to do with feminists. You have to read more and get to the library kid. Feminists don't support female chauvinists just because they don't believe in superiority of no one. They want equality between men and women. Plain and simple. A-B-C. Apples and oranges for you kid. 2.- I recommend you one thing in order to not get banned from this comment section: Use some average IQ vocabulary and statements and you will be allowed to continue in this forum. If not, you will get blocked. So, don't whine now, and try to talk like a real man, not as a coward. Alright kid? ;) So, now go sleep, mommy should be worried if she sees the light of your screen through the door. Oh, and remember to give her back the glass of milk and cookies you didn't have for dinner.
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+WitchDoctor1 if a TEDx talk slips into the TED talks it gets usually a lot of dislikes, almost as if people subbed to TED for technology, entertainment and design. and not for feminist propaganda. it does not matter if you are a man, women or identify as one of the new hundred genders, if the message is bad, it rains dislikes.
"We are all drowning in filth. When I talk to anyone or read the writings of anyone who has any axe to grind, I feel that intellectual honesty and balanced judgement have simply disappeared from the face of the earth. Everyone’s thought is forensic, everyone is simply putting a “case” with deliberate suppression of his opponent’s point of view, and, what is more, with complete insensitiveness to any sufferings except those of himself and his friends." ~George Orwell 1942
You guys pointing out the inequality that goes the other way, the main problem here is to actually start somewhere, and why not start on the side that has the most inequalities? When this actually gets results it will spread both ways because the goal is ultimate equality where it is possible. Why is it that every time someone makes up a plan to do something positive, the people answer with "Oh, but it doesn't fix..." or "Why not focus on _ instead, we need that more" why not just support things that are actually making the world a little better? To point out other problems instead of doing something about this one will only postpone the problems and disturb the communication.
"Why not start on the side that has the most inequalities?" Think about your sentence for a minute: You have two sides. These two sides are not equal in several areas. In some area, the inequality between these two sides will be larger, in some areas it will be smaller. But which side has "most inequalities"? None! Inequality is measured by the differences between these two sides, so whenever one side is different, the other side is different, too. Now, why have you used such a meaningless phrase with "most inequalities"? Because feminism is using a trick for confusing men. Feminism is claiming to fight for "equality", because "equality" sounds better than "female privilege". But feminism does not actually fight for equality. Feminism only and always pushes for increasing female choice at the expense of male choice, compassion for females at the expense of compassion for males, female privilege at the expense of male privilege. If feminism was really about equality, it would recognize the fact that all equalities are linked. For every area in life that shows a male advantage there is an area that shows a female advantage. And these areas are all linked. Men lose out in family law, then men have more time and energy for work, then they work more and have better careers. If you want to motivate women to work harder, you have to give men a better deal in divorce. That's just one example on how inequalities are linked. Feminism does not care about that. It only uses "equality" as a ruse to hide it's true goals. But after 100 years of feminism, men have finally understood what they are dealing with here. Some understood it from logical analysis. Some understood from seeing it's impact on society. Some have personal experience. Men know that feminism is bullshitting them. That's why men don't accept this "start on the side that has the most inequalities" any more. It was a trick from the start, it is hiding a political agenda hostile towards men and it does not offer any advantage to society. And anybody promoting this flawed ideology has to be called out for the bullshit they are promoting.
I wonder when the alt-rights will get tired of mass-downvoting TED videos (or if they'll ever realize that TH-cam's algorithms treats likes and dislikes identically, and therefore they are still helping the videos to spread). Also, Sandi Toksvig is literally the best.
I'm not a feminist but she really has a point. There is far too little compromise in politics, especially now with what's happening in US, UK, Hungary, Poland, possibly France...
***** riiight, because it was the liberals on the left that didn't appoint chief justices selected by the right wingers, oh wait it is the other way round! (in US and Poland) don't worry, Putin is also not crying
I found this video super interesting with many brillant ideas... Then I look at the rate of up votes & down votes. I guess many people don't want those ideas to spread (or any for some because rulling the ignorants is/was so easy).
@@RinZ3993 how is it a myth? Fact of the matter is that men in general get paid more than women do, women are more likely to take time out of careers because they are the ones to stay at home with kids, and men are more likely to get promoted. Like for like job might be paid the same but not always. Seen it time and time again.
10:00 the existence of inequality does not mean that discrimination has occurred. Also how are people still beating the fucking dead horse of the gender pay gap at this point?
Well, if the gender pay-gap is in fact still a thing then i suppose it should be talked about still, even if we hear about it again and again. keep in mind I dont have any data to support the claim nor deny it
wheway33 it's an earnings gap not s wage gap. she actually kinda touched on it a bit when she talked about CEOs. the wage gap is rejected by nearly every economist.
The real pay gap in the west is about 8%. Men earn about 8% more than women usually but this also is leaving out many other factors. You know what's really crazy? Men pay about 70% of tax and of taxes spent on programs that are gender specific women receive more than 70% of that funding. Women also vote far far more and in far larger numbers than men... so most of all of this is mostly voted for by women. Women being oppressed in the west is laughable.
I am not a feminist. What I like about this talk is that she celebrates the identity of women as mothers and caretakers while also recognizing that those women and their values are underrepresented in government.
***** Oh really? you are telling me that for 100 years woman fighting to get the same right as men like the right to vote or equal pay (they don't even got this one yet) that's crap? You would rather have their right to vote prohibited? Their right to have their own bank account prohibited? (wives bank account used to belong to their husband, their hard work didn't even belong to them). So this is the kind of men you are or you are just ignorant about that matter?
So, you are asking me what I would do if I could turn back the clock? In short, I would deliver every female right with a female duty. Which is how life works for men also. For the right to vote, women also get the duty to serve in the military. For equal pay in their jobs, women also get equal financial responsibilities after a divorce. For the right to have free choice on their life-work-balance in a marriage (including having their own bank account etc), women also get the duty to finance their own life inside and after a marriage. What men are finally fed up with is the kind of feminist cherry-picking where women get all the rights and men get all the responsibility. There is enough legal female privilege already. Men (and a lot of women!) won't accept more of this female privilege bullshit masquerading as "equality".
You think you figured it out don't you? ;) Yes you almost did figured it out! This is what equality looks like and this is what feminist want! Woman also had duty in time of war for instance and that was empowering! If they couldn't serve their country with a military career it's because it was prohibited by men, you think women didn't wanted to be a war hero or a graded officer? Woman want all of this as much as men, women want more of this equality. You think they just want to have the "good stuff", But before being able to have equal financial responsibility, there need to be equal pay. You see today, when someone needs to sacrifice a career in couple, most of the time it's the woman, why? How? Doesn't matter it's a fact. Do you think it's fair to have equal responsibility in this state of male dominance of the work force today ? (I'm not making that up just look at the video if you don't believe me) Do you think it's fair to treat women like men after a divorce while they don't have the same opportunities? No it's not fair. But it will be fair when women will be just as valued as men. So start your war on feminism the day we have equality and women try to avoid the same duties men have. Alright ?
***** And please I don't know what else you could say, but don't start saying feminism today just focus on stupid matters like sexist air conditioning or this kind of stuff because feminists, mainly tackle important inequality problems all around the world.
Primavera i actually was about to do the same. why not call for equality for all with a greater emphasis on the most trivialized groups: gays, minorities, people of colour, women and even men. I believe that women in particular are opressed in some issues while men are opresses by other men too and women have more rights conxerning other issues. But unlike women, other opressed groups don't have any advantages.
I did dislike the video early on, because of some obvious flaws in argumentation and presentation. I watched the rest of it and saw no reason to change this inital impression.
Few people outside of the UK know that Sandi Toksvig is Danish! Her perfect English accent does indicate that she has lived for a very long time in England. :) See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandi_Toksvig
Vierotchka She did, actually. She writes that she consciously changed it as a result of bullying at her UK boarding school - modelling herself on an actor who was in a film shown at the school.
I do not understand the dislikes. Such an interesting, funny and full of experience person! Yes, she's talking about gender inequality and sexual freedom in a relaxed way... But many videos (good videos) from Ted have this feature too. I am not used to say this kind of thing but: many man talk in this way and there is no problem about it. Why a woman can not do the same? (And be admired for it.)
No. Honestly, the balance went from equality to now men being worse than women in so many areas, it may be time to start preaching about actual equality. Everyone is getting tired of this.
Fewer in college, boys doing worse in schools, get longer prison sentences for the same crimes, baby boys can legally have their foreskins removed, lower life expectancy, pathetically low funding for male victims of domestic violence, scholarships, quotas that disadvantage men, men are more likely to commit suicide, family courts... It isn't all one way and it isn't all the result of discrimination or oppression. Name me an area where a man has it better than a woman? Not men on average, I mean a specific area of life where a man is advantaged over a woman in the UK where Sandi Toksvig is from. I'm sure there are some areas just like there are some the other way
Toskveig has a valid point, clearly has a sharp brain, yet the conformation bias in this clip is astonishing. This is a pure unadulterated pitch for equality of outcome, nothing more, nothing less. In the meantime, I will continue do what I can to make sure that women and men are paid exactly the same for exactly the same job, which is what occurs in my business investments where I sit on the board.
*Googles Sandi Toksvig* (The last phrases sum up her life) Women's Equality Party* She is joint founder of the Women's Equality Party (established in March 2015), was installed as Chancellor of the University of Portsmouth in October 2012, and is the current president of the Women of the Year Lunch. In April 2015, Toksvig chaired the first, informal, conference of a new political party, the Women's Equality Party, and she subsequently left her job as presenter of The News Quiz to become co-founder of the party. She later explained that she had decided that it was "not too late to fight the good fight, after all". In September the same year she announced the dates for a comedy tour to raise funds for the party. The party's full set of policies were launched at Conway Hall, 20 October 2015. Toksvig is mother to two daughters and a son. The children were carried by her then-partner, Peta Stewart, from whom she separated in 1997. She lives on a houseboat in Wandsworth with psychotherapist Debbie Toksvig, whom she joined in a civil partnership in 2007.
The old men freaking out in the comments that they are going to have to treat all of humanity with respect instead of only those who they might be physically inferior to.
The comments below are very disheartening and smells of ignorance, sexism and selfishness...Why are people so anti gender equality ?? a simple fair concept..Why do people think women always deserve less ??
Will TED ever have a male activist talking to a mostly male audience about men's inequality of outcomes and giving a partisan political speech with a call to action speech? No because that would be misogynistic. But different standards apply to women as this video clearly demonstrates.
I can't believe the dislikes outweigh the likes. I can't believe men are scared of equality. Feminism isn't about making women more powerful than men. Feminism is about equality of women and men. It's not about the prevalence of women. Stop being scared of it. Support it if you love your mothers, daughters, sisters and female friends. Equality is good for everyone. I can't believe some women think this is bullsh*t. We really do live in backwards times. I fear for our children.
Skipped around just to see whether she would repeat the lie that women are paid less for the same work and I wasn't disappointed. Of course she doesn't elaborate on the REASONS for the gap in total earnings between genders (hours worked, difference in professions etc.). These ideologues are clearly going for the "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it." approach. I pray people won't fall for it.
She didn't say that women are paid less than men for the same work , she just said that women are paid less than men. Disappointingly, she didn't discuss the valid reasons you mentioned.
The comment about women working "for free" from early November to end of December clearly implies that those women are doing the same work as their male colleagues but are just paid less because they're women.
Could You elaborate on data to support your claim about the REASONS . Is there any research that takes those reasons into account. It's not enough to come up with a statement that makes sense. You also have to prove it.
The primary reasons for income inequality are the dating preferences of women and family law. Men make more money, because they are expected to pay more. Force women to pay their own bills and they will start to work harder, work in unpleasant and dangerous jobs and then they will also make more money.
id like a equality party. I don't think we simply need women's equality, no, we need equality for everyone, we start with women, and spread to every minority around! this is great!
Fun fact: Women naturally gravitate towards lower paying jobs, since they generally favor empaphatic work over technical work and often have a stronger interest in starting families. This distinction is getting painfully clear in coutries where equal opportunity actually exists, like Norway. Now, if you set up a politicized culture that basically pushes women through higher education and into high paying jobs, in an attempt to achieve inter-gender equality, you actually work towards increasing the gap between high and low income workers. Why, you ask? I tell you. While men readily marry women with lower socio-economic standing, women only marry across their peers and up. A male doctor will marry a female nurse, but no female doctor will marry a male nurse. So, the more women are among the top, lets say 25 percentile, the less socio-economic movement happens between the top 25% and the bottom 75%. Borders between socio-economic classes will harden accordingly. It is also noteworthy that males and females played different roles since there is gender. You can go a few dozen million years back for the root of that. Through our entire evolutionary history, since long before there even _were_ humans, males and females were selected for different attributes. What is it called when an ideology tries to push an agenda that completely ignores reality in favor of some magical fantasy world and does a shitload of damage to our social structure in the process? Ah, I remember: Fucking retarded.
I think it's good to have multiple parties with different beliefs all eligible to run for candidacy. Each belief should be represented. I don't understand what the issue with this is.
I think you are referring about 'Proportional Representation'...Has the same discussion with members of my wider family & the argument that came back was that it would make it difficult to get laws passed (?)....causing a kind of stalemate. I don't agree with that. Stalemate is what we had in Parliament, before Boris Johnson & his side-kick, Domenic Cummings, did whatever they had to do, to get the Democratic will of the people in favour of Brexit respected.
I love how she says no women wanted the job for the UN job and then the very next sentence says representation for women blah blah blah. Um you know why no one wanted it, because they didn't want it. Women and men are different THEY LIKE TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS more men are ceos because that's what they like to do and work hard for it. More women are teachers and nurses so where's the inequality speech for that?
I've heard better videos on the subject, and Sandy has talked better. But if you feel there is no inequality do not talk down those who do. if someone is asking for help, you don't tell them to shut up and that they are wrong, either walk on by or give a hand.
Ceri Thomas: This is not a question of personal choice. These feminists are working hard on making governments discriminate against men. Not funny. Has to be talked down. Or rather: Has to be called out for the dangerous bullshit it is.
+Oliver Hoffmann Yes because men are so oppressed they only make up 80% of government representatives, judges and company CEOs. Women's overwhelming underrepresentation is soo powerful and influential people have to stand up to them or they'll be no hope! :-p
Who would dislike a video 20 minutes long and it was only uploaded a minute ago? Watch the video and then leave your comment talking about how threatened you feel by women talking about inequality
Dumbasses.
I don't agree with disliking or liking a video without watching it, however, there are multiple reasons why his might be done.
-People don't want this general type of content in such a quantity on this channel. most videos here recently are on the same tired, often disingenuously presented.
-Reading the description and basing the opinion on that.
-Knowing the Women's Equality Party
no.
Well, in the first four minutes she cracked about a dozen horrible jokes, has said "OK" 475 times and just made the hyperbolic claim that throughout human evolution there has not been a single society where men and women have had equality. That's dislike-worthy for me.
I'm 5 minutes in, and i can assure you that the dislikes are justified
So many smug commenters on this video. Sandi has been a rolemodel, trailblazer and activist longer than most of them have been alive. And what have they accomplished?
She's a short commedienne for Christ's sake,not Joan of arc.
Reading the comments here. It seems that most people want women to be subservient and stay at home.
What Sandi wants (and she is amazing by the way, with me being British she's always been brilliant to listen to) is women to have equal opportunities as men.
Now I imagine the comments will say that of course women have opportunities but when you have a system that does not cater for women in positions of power either via social networks (ie getting friends to work with you) or having positive role models. The point she makes about sport and the top 100 FTSE CEO proves there aren't those role models.
It's a lot easier to name more male sport stars (David Beckham or Eli Manning) and CEOs (Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Steve Jobs) than it is to name female ones.
And statistically you can not say men are smarter than women when women now are more likely to be in higher education than men. It just needs social changes of attitudes.
Remember 100 years ago, women and people of colour were not deemed to be smart enough to vote. Ideals and norms change and we all need to check ourselves for our privilege sometimes.
Chaos Theory Why not? This is about equality. It's about women having the confidence to go for jobs they want to go for.
Right now, STEM subjects are about 80% studied by men. And I don't believe it's because women are not smart enough to do those things, but when society works against you its a lot harder to get into these types of subjects.
And if you don't believe society isn't working against women, just read the other comments. All pretty much hate filled.
+Antony Jones 2 things 1) Do you think that if a woman made pay pal that it would have made less money same for Apple or Microsoft. All of those CEOs are either some of the richest people in the world Bill Gates Steve Jobs or put themselves out there Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and especially Elon Musk 2) She didn't want equal opportunity she wanted equal rights while those might seem similar they are not.
maxybaer123 Actually statically I don't believe it would have made as much money. The whole point of the glass ceiling is because men are already in top positions they know more men in top positions. Having better social contacts (and a man is more likely to use a male contact than female for various reasons) means creating a successful business will be easier.
And equal opportunities and equal rights are two sides of the same coin. Both are important for equality.
Chaos Theory Communism is very different to women's equality. I would also say how many famous women were there in Soviet Russia so it wasn't exactly egalitarian was it?
And there is a correlation between a lack of women at the top and discrimination and injustice. Because if those things were completely absent, there would be more definitely women in those positions.
No, feminism does not want equal opportunity. Feminism wants female privilege. Feminism uses pre-existing notions such as equality or equal opportunity to push for female privilege. Does the women's equality party also push for equality when equality would benefit men? No, because it's not the universal equality party. It's the women's equality party. It wants female privilege and it calls female privilege "equality for women".
Who wants to try and guess how many of the "rational intellectuals" watched over half the video befor disliking it?
I'm betting 15%, though I might be giving them too much credit.
I'm guessing the people that don't watch TED for gutter identity politics.
What does toxic identity politics have to do with "Technology" "Entertainment" or "Design"?
I think this one can fall under "Entertainment" after spending enough time in the comments section.
Dave Bergmann - DESIGNING future TECHNOLOGY to help castrate future generations of men and equality, for the ENTERTAINMENT of egocentric women? ;-)
when i watch something crash and burn im usually pretty entertained.
I'm going to guess that people disliked because it's feminist. But maybe if you watch the video you'll realise that not one point she made was wrong. The gender pay gap thing was possibly the only thing but her solution to it was "Get more women in the boardroom" which is the correct solution. She acknowledged the equal pay act and she acknowledged that women have the same rights to vote. She gave actual statistics, actual concerns and actual reasons behind her dissatisfaction. Yes, there are men's issues too, but she never said that men have no problems, she was pointing out woman's problems in this talk. How about you listen to what she has to say and take it on board. Accepting that women aren't equal to men doesn't mean that you have to stop worrying about men's issues, nor does it mean that you become a fully fledged feminist. It just means that you become aware of all the issues in the world.
Johnny Johnson Finally, someone with a brain.
The more free a country is the more drastic the gender "gap" is. In China and India women have more well paying jobs percentage wise than the so progressive Sweden. How can that be, its almost like if given a choice women don't want the jobs men do. So are we going to force women into jobs they don't want? Or force men out of jobs to make room? Appoint women to positions they haven't EARNED because parity of outcomes? Social Justice can't be measured so there can never be parity regardless of how many kulaks are disposed of.
You don't understand a free market. It regulates itself. So the "gender pay gap" is the "fault" of woman not men.
Trav McDonald Notice how I said that the one point I wasn't in total agreement with was the gender pay gap. Yes, a woman is more likely to choose to be a housewife than a man. I was agreeing with her point that there shouldn't be this disparity in business. The lack of high ranking women is a major contributor to the pay gap (As in the average pay for all women one) and women should have more of a presence in this field. No one has ever suggested taking men out of jobs.
eu4eagle ha, someone who believes in bullshit. This wonderful free market regulated itself enough to create the biggest economic crash of the last 80 years. It also regulates itself enough to create monopolies to drive up prices for consumers. It regulates enough to keep power within families and small groups. It's regulated itself so that 80% of wealth is spread between the top 1%. Do you think it will regulate itself enough to maintain gender equality?
If women have all the same rights. We're equal and should move on. (and no, the wage gap doesn't exist.)
Women have the right to choose how pregnancy affects their lives, men don't. Women have more rights than men.
+idontcare80
Honestly, that one is at least debatable. You could go on about how it's forcing women to have abortions etc. I don't agree with that but there is more of a case to be made than blatant bias in cases like the sentencing gap, incarceration, custody of children, and the Nottinghamshire thing with misogynistic "hate crimes".
***** That's not the argument at all. Women should be able to do whatever they want with their child, but they shouldn't be able to force men into paying for that child. If women aren't required to pay for a child they produce, men shouldn't be forced to either.
+Denis Brezovsky
You don't have to force women to get an abortion to give men that same freedom. Just allow men to financially abort the child. That means that they cut all ties with that family, and won't be held financially responsible for it. That way you won't see men being forced to pay for babies they never intended to have, or as happens in some states, men who where the victims of rape being forced to pay child support to the women who took advantage of them.
Mister Gregar
I ment that you could argue that a lot of women would not be able to support a child, therefore forcing them to abortion. I don't agree with that, but it could be used as a point.
*Reads title*
_"Ohhhhh, these are gonna be some good comments."_
*Clicks video*
_"Yep."_
One quick look at this comment section shows exactly how much still needs to change.
The people disagreeing with her arguments in a calm and reasoned manner don't worry me. The many, many ones saying that they'll unsubscribe from ted for exposing them to these horrendous ideas. The comments spreading false information and conspiracy theories and just plain old personal insults and expressions of bile towards her and women in general, they bother me.
Shes so smart and funny
lololololololololololo
I appreciate how Sandi took even recognizable information and delivered it in a way that felt inspiring and fresh. I loved this talk; laughing and cheering all the way through.
I'm ready to start a branch of this party where I live! As much as I absolutely love her, I'm also disappointed watching this so many years later. Why hasn't this taken off!?!
I just had the same thought! I've loved her for years and never heard of this here in the US.
Im glad that TED keeps featuring these despite its ignorant fanbase. I swear you can just *smell* the reddit on these comments. (or worse, the 4chan)
To be fair to MRAs they are literally asking for a few laws to be changed. Feminists want women given jobs because of their genitals.
SJWs Attack! WTF are you 10?
? No are you 10?
I can just smell the soy on your comment.
Why so many dislikes, discrimination for whatever reason can't be right, and I'm definately on Sandi's side against the idiots who threaten her and her family just because of her sexual orientation. Great talk, thank you Sandi Toksvig
A very powerful speech from a very powerful women. I applaud her and hope things really do change as women will certainly just "get the job done"
The wonderfully funny, witty, enchanting and incredibly intelligent Sandi Toksvig has stirred up the TH-cam commenter's here. It seems to me that many people cannot handle truth thrown at them. Sandi provides not only facts, but the source of information too. Everything she says is in numbers, online and easy for you to access. If you don't believe her, then check the sources. Ask yourself very simple questions:
1. Do women have representation in sports?
2. Are some women better than some men at certain sports?
3. Do women have representation in the history we study at schools?
4. What do you think the reason for that is?
5. Do women tend to have less paid jobs?
6. Why do you think that is?
7. Do women own run less companies than men?
8. Why do you think that is?
9. Do you think women have less representation in society? (traffic lights are of a man, we say "man-kind", the drawing of evolution is always of a man)?
10. Why do you think that is?
11. Is Sandi Toksvig wrong about anything she said?
12. Can you provide evidence?
13. Is Sandi Toksvig doing the wrong thing?
14. Is what Sandi Toksvig advocating for harmful?
15. Do men have problems in society aswell?
16. Why do they have problems?
17. Is it fair to say that women do not suffer inequality, but men do?
18. Is it normal than in a world with 50% men and 50% women, there can be such a massive difference in representation? Is it fair?
The dislikes on this video but lack of appropiate responses demonstrate something very convincing: a lot of modern society believes that we live in an equal society because that what it seems. But the numbers don't add up: more men in power, more men in politics, more men in sports (and don't go talking about biology - there's nothing in men's biology that gets us televised), more men in jobs, more men in history, more men in pretty much everything. Even in sectors some consider to be for women such as cooking and fashion. These are numbers none of you can deny. Stop pretending everything is fine and jolly, and look at the numbers.
JESUS CHRIST TED
Why do you keep doing this??!
WatStee brainwashed by short haired females also known as Feminazis.
I would say disenfranchising half of the population from the public discourse is something. But I agree you shouldn't call them feminazis, it makes it seem like feminists actually come in sane varieties.
They're full of manginas and feminazis, that's why.
Because, like Atheism+ or FreeThoughtBlog, they are lost to the cult of Social Justice.
hahahaha coz they get $$$ ?
Sandi is a fucking icon and an inspiration, as well as being about the funniest person around.
In recent news; Buzzfeed buys TED talks for a reported $3 million deal
They got gypped.
I knew this would have many dislikes. I bet most of it is from people who didn't even watch the video but were already threatened by the title.
Very likely.
*It's getting old*, every time you'll see something about women equality, be sure that there is *the average youtube sheep* that *will give it a dislike* without even seeing the first frame of the video.
Joannot Fampionona very true
Well, if you really think that, then why are you doing the exact same thing ? You don't know for a fact that this is true, yet you're assuming it is. I know I'm playing devil's advocate here, but in the sake of honesty, we shouldn't stoop to the level of people behaving like those that you are describing. I think the overall rating of the video translates something. It might be pure hate/or resentment towards the ideology behind the talk, or towards the title of the talk, or simply that most viewers have watched the video, and didn't like it. (Or other reasons, who knows...)
Kim Kaval yes we don't know but there are evidence pointing that it's probably people who made the shortcut : women equality= feminism = "SJW".
If you look at the standing ovation at the end of video and the amount of dislike, you know what probably happened... It's not 100% sure though, that I agree with you but it's certainly not 50/50.
I'm going to grab my popcorn. This comment section is going to be so tasty!
Put some salt on it. I prefer them salty
Agustín Bertelli Well, the comment section probably have more than enough salt supply for that
Well, you are a edgy fuckboi if I've ever seen one
Can I have some?
Yep. The moment I saw "women's equality" in the title, I know the dudebro patrol would be here to vote it into oblivion.
You people are the reason I drink.
So we get blame for your alcohol issues too?
This is a extremely important talk; Thank you TED for sharing, and thank you Sandi Toksvig for being awesome
What a shame to see that there are still so much ignorance around by unlike results of this video?! It's an Absolutely Peaceful, High Spirit Speech with the great sense of humor and profound message on Social Justice and Equality for all minorities!
I really enjoyed this TED Talk. Then when i finished watching, i looked down at the like to dislike ratio, and all the crazy comments and was shocked. Then i remembered......Oh yea, i'm on the internet.....and wasn't that shocked anymore. Idiots....
I LOVE Sandi Toksvig!!!
love her personality, this was a really entertaining talk :D
Thank you Sandi for speaking out about equality! Don't let the assholes/trolls get you down! This comment section in particular proves we need it. Thanks TED for prioritizing voices trying to make the world a better place. There's so much left to do! You're right. We can't and we won't wait till 2033.
Sandi Toksvig is an inspiration to women everywhere.
The fact that this video has so many dislikes is so discouraging especially b/c Ted usually caters to a smarter (or so I thought) audience but I've known for a long time that that doesn't make someone impervious to assholery
The fact that smart people finally had enough of feminist bullshit is very encouraging.
Thomas P Educated/smart people have had enough of the bullshit. What you're seeing is Encouraging more than discouraging.
Ali Deniz Uh no in case you missed it I specifically fuking said it was discoursing you pretentious piece of cheese
Thomas P People don't agree with my preferred political agenda being in every thing, comedy web sites, science and technology, they must not be smart, because I know my political views are smart, cause I am smart, so they must be! (how you sound)
Zeus Mc. You sound like an imbecile :))
Omg, Sandi, I'm so excited about this! Thank you for standing formally for women's rights and equality between men and women, it's inspirational. Also, you rock on QI.
Good speech !!! Agree...The world needs more women like her...Wish her all the best...
Identity politics needs to go away. Focus on the freedoms and rights of the individual, not of the group. Collectivism leads straight to tyranny.
Well said. Everyone deserves rights, not just a single race or gender. That is why things such as Women's Rights and Black Lives Matter annoys me to such an extent. Saying these things implies that somehow not all people deserve equal treatment. The argument should be less about ethnicity and gender and more how we can fix the problems at hand.
No. To say "women's rights" or "women's representation" or "black lives matter" or "support gay marriage" or "don't be biphobic" or "don't be transphobic" is to point out that these particular minorities are not being represented in society the way straight white men are. It is to spot the victims. Did you feel like banners saying "support gay marriage" also meant that they didn't support heterosexual marriage? Do you feel like saying Black Lives Matter is also saying that white lives don't?
Personally, I would say that it depends on the context. For instance, 1st Wave Feminism along with the Civil Rights Movements were both necessary. It was important to distinguish that these groups were human beings that deserved the same right. However, things such as 3rd Wave Feminism, the Anti-Defamation League, and Black Lives Matter have ceased to be equal rights and more about special treatment motivated by bitterness towards events that happened in the past.
Not to mention the attitude of these groups can be quite antagonistic. On multiple occasions, when I try to voice my disagreements about groups such as Black Lives Matter and the Anti-Defamation League, I am usually met with some kind of hostility. My problem with these groups lies within is their passive-aggressive hostility towards opposing views and an obnoxious sense of ethical superiority.
I support rights for African-Americans, and for the transgendered, and, of course, for homosexuals such as myself. I do not support all of these godforsaken cry-bully groups parading around claiming that they are acting like obnoxious twats on the behalf of other people. I want nothing to do with them or their shallow, worthless identity politics.
Martin Hare Regardless of the original intentions behind the Black Lives Matter hashtag and subsequent movement, the group has since morphed into the black KKK. It's not hard to find video of BLM protesters chanting blatantly anti-white racist slogans. Worse, BLM groups have been filmed deliberately inciting violence against white people, and then carrying out violent acts against white people who just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. In other words, and entire mob of BLM extremists punching and kicking an innocent white person for simply being white. When a social justice movement becomes the very thing it claims to oppose, the rest of society has a responsibility to denounce that movement, and doing so without regard for political correctness (which, it turns out, is a devious tool society uses to inflict tyranny upon itself).
Really, you are annoyed that Black people still not only feel, but are statistically discriminated against, underrepresented in governments and police forces, and got truly fed up after some highly publicized killings at the hands of 'peace officers'? I'm so terribly sorry you are annoyed by any minority group who demands equal rights as you. Discrimination and injustices exist, against everyone, nearly all the time. That doesn't mean you get to write it off because you lack the basic human skills of empathy. And to your last point, that is exactly what these groups focus on and dedicated their resources too, and yet hear you are, annoyed that they want exactly that.
Brave women in public will never be understood by cowards typing behind a screen. Word.
Would those be the same "brave women" who are moving to criminalize "manspreading" and protesting talks about male suicide?
***** 1.- When you mean "criminalize" you equal that to the act of complaining right? Complaining as a criminal act... right?
2.- When men suicide... it is women fault right? But... if a woman commits suicide and people says: "it's a man fault".... then it would sound unfair to you right?
1. No, I mean criminalize as in people actually being arrested and indicted for the act of sitting in the way a man naturally sits. Actual legislation banning it in certain cities' transit systems.
2. So because a man committing suicide is not necessarily a woman's fault, that gives feminists the right to protest meetings trying to find a solution to it even if that talk has absolutely nothing to do with women?
Daniel Ostaszewski
***** 1.- Dude, I'm a man and I have NEVER been in the necessity of spreading my legs in order to sit. Not to mention my proportions (cof, cof) and despite of that, trust me, spreading legs is unnecessary and it just denotes inconscient male chauvinism gestures. It is just that you don't realize that... or you don't want to accept it. Those are men being ridiculous and provocative. Plain and simple. Deserved to be punished. Not to mention that they keep space for them that could be for others. It is a lack of social space efficiency and consciousness too.
2.- Women, men, feminists or not (both) can and have to talk about ALL issues regarding social inequalities. Actually that is what feminists do = trying to find solutions for the society in which women can participate and get involved as same as a man.
Crazy Goat So, someone is full of hate and ready to spit prejudices and ignorance right? Lol. Here you are!
1.- Nope, you are wrong in terms. You are referring to "female chauvinists" which have NOTHING to do with feminists. You have to read more and get to the library kid. Feminists don't support female chauvinists just because they don't believe in superiority of no one. They want equality between men and women. Plain and simple. A-B-C. Apples and oranges for you kid.
2.- I recommend you one thing in order to not get banned from this comment section: Use some average IQ vocabulary and statements and you will be allowed to continue in this forum. If not, you will get blocked. So, don't whine now, and try to talk like a real man, not as a coward. Alright kid? ;) So, now go sleep, mommy should be worried if she sees the light of your screen through the door. Oh, and remember to give her back the glass of milk and cookies you didn't have for dinner.
It's great to see Sandi on TED.
The world is a better place because of people like Sandi Toksvig. Thank you Sandi for all you do! ☮☮☮
I came to see the thumbs down ratio... Not bad but I was expecting more thumbs down.
I know if there's a woman speaking it's normally more like 1000 to 1 thumbs down, the social injustice warriors must be loosing their edge :-p
WhichDoctor1 Women are already equal, making a political party just insures women to lie to keep the party existing. Like they are right now.
WhichDoctor1 it has nothing to do with her gender, you moron.
+WhichDoctor1
TED Talks given by women with positive ratings just from the first page of latest TED uploads:
How the blockchain will radically transform the economy | Bettina Warburg
Easy DIY projects for kid engineers | Fawn Qiu
Your company's data could help end world hunger | Mallory Soldner
How America's public schools keep kids in poverty | Kandice Sumner
The unexpected challenges of a country's first election | Philippa Neave
How loss helped one artist find beauty in imperfection | Alyssa Monks
Machine intelligence makes human morals more important | Zeynep Tufekci
We've stopped trusting institutions and started trusting strangers | Rachel Botsman
Art can heal PTSD's invisible wounds | Melissa Walker
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On the internet everybody hears you derp
+WitchDoctor1
if a TEDx talk slips into the TED talks it gets usually a lot of dislikes, almost as if people subbed to TED for technology, entertainment and design. and not for feminist propaganda.
it does not matter if you are a man, women or identify as one of the new hundred genders, if the message is bad, it rains dislikes.
I think the comments section here show exactly why there needs to be more womens equality.
Equality != Justice.
A stand up show, or a TED talk?
Just ask TED to release the talk Sarah Silverman did.
How about both?
Spongebob: "What's the difference??"
I would call it a circlejerk, but I couldn't find 2 dicks anywhere in this video.
There is nothing wrong with humour in speeches. The most watched video on the TED Channel has Ken Robinson making a ton of jokes.
"We are all drowning in filth. When I talk to anyone or read the writings
of anyone who has any axe to grind, I feel that intellectual honesty
and balanced judgement have simply disappeared from the face of the
earth. Everyone’s thought is forensic, everyone is simply putting a
“case” with deliberate suppression of his opponent’s point of view, and,
what is more, with complete insensitiveness to any sufferings except
those of himself and his friends." ~George Orwell 1942
She's the best of the best. A most excellent talk. Makes me (at nearly 80) wish I was a young woman again. I'd follow her anywhere.
You guys pointing out the inequality that goes the other way, the main problem here is to actually start somewhere, and why not start on the side that has the most inequalities? When this actually gets results it will spread both ways because the goal is ultimate equality where it is possible. Why is it that every time someone makes up a plan to do something positive, the people answer with "Oh, but it doesn't fix..." or "Why not focus on _ instead, we need that more" why not just support things that are actually making the world a little better? To point out other problems instead of doing something about this one will only postpone the problems and disturb the communication.
"Why not start on the side that has the most inequalities?" Think about your sentence for a minute: You have two sides. These two sides are not equal in several areas. In some area, the inequality between these two sides will be larger, in some areas it will be smaller. But which side has "most inequalities"? None! Inequality is measured by the differences between these two sides, so whenever one side is different, the other side is different, too. Now, why have you used such a meaningless phrase with "most inequalities"? Because feminism is using a trick for confusing men. Feminism is claiming to fight for "equality", because "equality" sounds better than "female privilege". But feminism does not actually fight for equality. Feminism only and always pushes for increasing female choice at the expense of male choice, compassion for females at the expense of compassion for males, female privilege at the expense of male privilege. If feminism was really about equality, it would recognize the fact that all equalities are linked. For every area in life that shows a male advantage there is an area that shows a female advantage. And these areas are all linked. Men lose out in family law, then men have more time and energy for work, then they work more and have better careers. If you want to motivate women to work harder, you have to give men a better deal in divorce. That's just one example on how inequalities are linked. Feminism does not care about that. It only uses "equality" as a ruse to hide it's true goals. But after 100 years of feminism, men have finally understood what they are dealing with here. Some understood it from logical analysis. Some understood from seeing it's impact on society. Some have personal experience. Men know that feminism is bullshitting them. That's why men don't accept this "start on the side that has the most inequalities" any more. It was a trick from the start, it is hiding a political agenda hostile towards men and it does not offer any advantage to society. And anybody promoting this flawed ideology has to be called out for the bullshit they are promoting.
Interesting video! Nice to see Sandi do a TED talk too
I wonder when the alt-rights will get tired of mass-downvoting TED videos (or if they'll ever realize that TH-cam's algorithms treats likes and dislikes identically, and therefore they are still helping the videos to spread).
Also, Sandi Toksvig is literally the best.
Reading the comment section is like entering some absurd alternate universe.
I'm not a feminist but she really has a point. There is far too little compromise in politics, especially now with what's happening in US, UK, Hungary, Poland, possibly France...
*****
riiight, because it was the liberals on the left that didn't appoint chief justices selected by the right wingers, oh wait it is the other way round! (in US and Poland)
don't worry, Putin is also not crying
I found this video super interesting with many brillant ideas... Then I look at the rate of up votes & down votes. I guess many people don't want those ideas to spread (or any for some because rulling the ignorants is/was so easy).
Except for that the gender pay gap is basically a myth.
@@RinZ3993 It's been shown that there are reasons for the pay gap that are nobody's fault, but the pay gap itself is quite real
@@terranovarubacha5473 You mean the gender pay gap? Or just any pay gap?
@@RinZ3993 how is it a myth? Fact of the matter is that men in general get paid more than women do, women are more likely to take time out of careers because they are the ones to stay at home with kids, and men are more likely to get promoted. Like for like job might be paid the same but not always. Seen it time and time again.
What's that, a video that remotely mentions feminism/Women's rights getting bombarded with dislikes? What a surprise... You folks sure are rational...
10:00 the existence of inequality does not mean that discrimination has occurred. Also how are people still beating the fucking dead horse of the gender pay gap at this point?
Well, if the gender pay-gap is in fact still a thing then i suppose it should be talked about still, even if we hear about it again and again. keep in mind I dont have any data to support the claim nor deny it
wheway33 it's an earnings gap not s wage gap. she actually kinda touched on it a bit when she talked about CEOs. the wage gap is rejected by nearly every economist.
The real pay gap in the west is about 8%. Men earn about 8% more than women usually but this also is leaving out many other factors.
You know what's really crazy? Men pay about 70% of tax and of taxes spent on programs that are gender specific women receive more than 70% of that funding. Women also vote far far more and in far larger numbers than men... so most of all of this is mostly voted for by women.
Women being oppressed in the west is laughable.
I am not a feminist. What I like about this talk is that she celebrates the identity of women as mothers and caretakers while also recognizing that those women and their values are underrepresented in government.
"Merciless criticism and independent thinking are the two necessary traits of Revolutionary thinking." - Bhagat Singh
*The amount of dislike,*
*This truly show why we need that woman*
Joannot Fampionona: No. It shows that after 100 years of feminism, people are finally fed up with this crap. Better late than never.
***** Oh really? you are telling me that for 100 years woman fighting to get the same right as men like the right to vote or equal pay (they don't even got this one yet) that's crap? You would rather have their right to vote prohibited? Their right to have their own bank account prohibited? (wives bank account used to belong to their husband, their hard work didn't even belong to them).
So this is the kind of men you are or you are just ignorant about that matter?
So, you are asking me what I would do if I could turn back the clock? In short, I would deliver every female right with a female duty. Which is how life works for men also. For the right to vote, women also get the duty to serve in the military. For equal pay in their jobs, women also get equal financial responsibilities after a divorce. For the right to have free choice on their life-work-balance in a marriage (including having their own bank account etc), women also get the duty to finance their own life inside and after a marriage. What men are finally fed up with is the kind of feminist cherry-picking where women get all the rights and men get all the responsibility. There is enough legal female privilege already. Men (and a lot of women!) won't accept more of this female privilege bullshit masquerading as "equality".
You think you figured it out don't you? ;) Yes you almost did figured it out! This is what equality looks like and this is what feminist want! Woman also had duty in time of war for instance and that was empowering! If they couldn't serve their country with a military career it's because it was prohibited by men, you think women didn't wanted to be a war hero or a graded officer? Woman want all of this as much as men, women want more of this equality. You think they just want to have the "good stuff", But before being able to have equal financial responsibility, there need to be equal pay. You see today, when someone needs to sacrifice a career in couple, most of the time it's the woman, why? How? Doesn't matter it's a fact. Do you think it's fair to have equal responsibility in this state of male dominance of the work force today ? (I'm not making that up just look at the video if you don't believe me) Do you think it's fair to treat women like men after a divorce while they don't have the same opportunities? No it's not fair. But it will be fair when women will be just as valued as men.
So start your war on feminism the day we have equality and women try to avoid the same duties men have. Alright ?
***** And please I don't know what else you could say, but don't start saying feminism today just focus on stupid matters like sexist air conditioning or this kind of stuff because feminists, mainly tackle important inequality problems all around the world.
Came for the like bar based on the title. Not disappointed.
title and content. its not like the title is a parody and the content was genuine
Miguel Forster
I didn't even watch the video based on experience ;)
many dislikes. have you even watched the whole video? the video was just out!
Don't worry! I've watched the whole thing and I can confirm that you can safely dislike the video!
Sami Mas the title is enough to judge what she stands for which is enough for us to see she is an idiot
Primavera i actually was about to do the same. why not call for equality for all with a greater emphasis on the most trivialized groups: gays, minorities, people of colour, women and even men.
I believe that women in particular are opressed in some issues while men are opresses by other men too and women have more rights conxerning other issues. But unlike women, other opressed groups don't have any advantages.
I did dislike the video early on, because of some obvious flaws in argumentation and presentation. I watched the rest of it and saw no reason to change this inital impression.
I was thinking the same thing, then I started watching the video, and it was good, then I watched the whole video and disliked it.
AMAZING! One of the best, if not the very best, TED talk I have watched. A fantastic talk by a fabulous human being.
Toksvig (tok=crazy in swedish, and svig=fraud in danish) is a really fitting name.
Best comment for far 😂
Sorry Sandi Toksvig. I love you in most of your endeavours... just not this particular 19:31 minute long stretch.
This is the sort of feminism the world needs. For anyone whose skull isn't hollow, this isn't anti men, except for small injections of humour.
some points are good but others make her sound very stupid
@@harveygray7633 and I bet most of the ones you mean are the ones she said for the purposes of humour.
@@robotshaveiteasy9459 you would be wrong
@@harveygray7633 okay then, care to offer an example.
Have you considered trying fairness instead of equality?
Few people outside of the UK know that Sandi Toksvig is Danish! Her perfect English accent does indicate that she has lived for a very long time in England. :)
See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandi_Toksvig
She lived in the states as well.
Thessarabian Indeed, and thank goodness she didn't pick up the US accent!
Vierotchka She did, actually. She writes that she consciously changed it as a result of bullying at her UK boarding school - modelling herself on an actor who was in a film shown at the school.
I wish Sandi had discussed the reasons for inequality, given the equal pay act
Sandi Toksvig is one of my all time favorite people!!
A free society provides equality of opportunity... Equality of outcome demands a totalitarian state...
So there are no free societies... because equality of opportunity is an illusion
I do not understand the dislikes. Such an interesting, funny and full of experience person! Yes, she's talking about gender inequality and sexual freedom in a relaxed way... But many videos (good videos) from Ted have this feature too. I am not used to say this kind of thing but: many man talk in this way and there is no problem about it. Why a woman can not do the same? (And be admired for it.)
No. Honestly, the balance went from equality to now men being worse than women in so many areas, it may be time to start preaching about actual equality. Everyone is getting tired of this.
Where do men have it worse? Name somewhere.
Fewer in college, boys doing worse in schools, get longer prison sentences for the same crimes, baby boys can legally have their foreskins removed, lower life expectancy, pathetically low funding for male victims of domestic violence, scholarships, quotas that disadvantage men, men are more likely to commit suicide, family courts... It isn't all one way and it isn't all the result of discrimination or oppression. Name me an area where a man has it better than a woman? Not men on average, I mean a specific area of life where a man is advantaged over a woman in the UK where Sandi Toksvig is from. I'm sure there are some areas just like there are some the other way
+INEEDANEWACCOUNTNAME I dont know, have kids and get divorced? Got forbid a woman decides to falsely acuse you of anything, say bye to your life.
I really enjoyed this. The speaker is very funny, and makes good points.
Toskveig has a valid point, clearly has a sharp brain, yet the conformation bias in this clip is astonishing.
This is a pure unadulterated pitch for equality of outcome, nothing more, nothing less.
In the meantime, I will continue do what I can to make sure that women and men are paid exactly the same for exactly the same job, which is what occurs in my business investments where I sit on the board.
I can't believe they didn't disable the comments.
lmao what is this the fat one?
In Chile we our own female president, which even got elected twice!
I think that's progress.
I just came here to see the incredibly bad like/dislike ratio and the hateful comments. As always when there is a TED video about feminism xD
I was willing to give this lecture a chance, and so I did. However, I immediately quit when the gender pay gap was mentioned at 10:15
*Googles Sandi Toksvig* (The last phrases sum up her life)
Women's Equality Party*
She is joint founder of the Women's Equality Party (established in March 2015), was installed as Chancellor of the University of Portsmouth in October 2012, and is the current president of the Women of the Year Lunch.
In April 2015, Toksvig chaired the first, informal, conference of a new political party, the Women's Equality Party, and she subsequently left her job as presenter of The News Quiz to become co-founder of the party. She later explained that she had decided that it was "not too late to fight the good fight, after all". In September the same year she announced the dates for a comedy tour to raise funds for the party. The party's full set of policies were launched at Conway Hall, 20 October 2015.
Toksvig is mother to two daughters and a son. The children were carried by her then-partner, Peta Stewart, from whom she separated in 1997.
She lives on a houseboat in Wandsworth with psychotherapist Debbie Toksvig, whom she joined in a civil partnership in 2007.
The old men freaking out in the comments that they are going to have to treat all of humanity with respect instead of only those who they might be physically inferior to.
The comments below are very disheartening and smells of ignorance, sexism and selfishness...Why are people so anti gender equality ?? a simple fair concept..Why do people think women always deserve less ??
this video was actually good and somewhat funny up till 2:48
well done sandi! Stand up for womens equality. And people .... please put aside your prejudices and start standing up for womens equality too
Women have equality what she is asking for is forced outcomes based on genital composition.
Will TED ever have a male activist talking to a mostly male audience about men's inequality of outcomes and giving a partisan political speech with a call to action speech? No because that would be misogynistic. But different standards apply to women as this video clearly demonstrates.
I can't believe the dislikes outweigh the likes. I can't believe men are scared of equality. Feminism isn't about making women more powerful than men. Feminism is about equality of women and men. It's not about the prevalence of women. Stop being scared of it. Support it if you love your mothers, daughters, sisters and female friends. Equality is good for everyone. I can't believe some women think this is bullsh*t. We really do live in backwards times. I fear for our children.
Skipped around just to see whether she would repeat the lie that women are paid less for the same work and I wasn't disappointed. Of course she doesn't elaborate on the REASONS for the gap in total earnings between genders (hours worked, difference in professions etc.).
These ideologues are clearly going for the "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it." approach. I pray people won't fall for it.
She didn't say that women are paid less than men for the same work , she just said that women are paid less than men. Disappointingly, she didn't discuss the valid reasons you mentioned.
The comment about women working "for free" from early November to end of December clearly implies that those women are doing the same work as their male colleagues but are just paid less because they're women.
Could You elaborate on data to support your claim about the REASONS . Is there any research that takes those reasons into account. It's not enough to come up with a statement that makes sense. You also have to prove it.
The primary reasons for income inequality are the dating preferences of women and family law. Men make more money, because they are expected to pay more. Force women to pay their own bills and they will start to work harder, work in unpleasant and dangerous jobs and then they will also make more money.
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id like a equality party. I don't think we simply need women's equality, no, we need equality for everyone, we start with women, and spread to every minority around! this is great!
"Everybody has great ideas." Except you.
This is awesome. Let their be more women in power and bring about equality in all areas.
18 to 35 year old women are already earning more than men in the UK.
No we are not we are still paid less
Sandi is one of the funniest and smartest people on the planet. Only beaten by Stephen Fry.
Fun fact: Women naturally gravitate towards lower paying jobs, since they generally favor empaphatic work over technical work and often have a stronger interest in starting families. This distinction is getting painfully clear in coutries where equal opportunity actually exists, like Norway. Now, if you set up a politicized culture that basically pushes women through higher education and into high paying jobs, in an attempt to achieve inter-gender equality, you actually work towards increasing the gap between high and low income workers. Why, you ask? I tell you. While men readily marry women with lower socio-economic standing, women only marry across their peers and up. A male doctor will marry a female nurse, but no female doctor will marry a male nurse. So, the more women are among the top, lets say 25 percentile, the less socio-economic movement happens between the top 25% and the bottom 75%. Borders between socio-economic classes will harden accordingly. It is also noteworthy that males and females played different roles since there is gender. You can go a few dozen million years back for the root of that. Through our entire evolutionary history, since long before there even _were_ humans, males and females were selected for different attributes. What is it called when an ideology tries to push an agenda that completely ignores reality in favor of some magical fantasy world and does a shitload of damage to our social structure in the process? Ah, I remember: Fucking retarded.
These comments represent the need to have more women like Sandi Toksvig in the world. Well done.
How is this not the definition of sexism?
It is. Too bad the sjws like to create their own definitions that suit them better
Wonder how many people listened to the first minute/ just the title and proceeded to dislike.
You got to admit she is hilarious !
I think it's good to have multiple parties with different beliefs all eligible to run for candidacy. Each belief should be represented. I don't understand what the issue with this is.
I think you are referring about 'Proportional Representation'...Has the same discussion with members of my wider family & the argument that came back was that it would make it difficult to get laws passed (?)....causing a kind of stalemate.
I don't agree with that. Stalemate is what we had in Parliament, before Boris Johnson & his side-kick, Domenic Cummings, did whatever they had to do, to get the Democratic will of the people in favour of Brexit respected.
Now I tell you what.
If I had a Half Life 3 for every inequality between men and women..
What about men's equality?
I love how she says no women wanted the job for the UN job and then the very next sentence says representation for women blah blah blah. Um you know why no one wanted it, because they didn't want it. Women and men are different THEY LIKE TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS more men are ceos because that's what they like to do and work hard for it. More women are teachers and nurses so where's the inequality speech for that?
Women should refuse to pay taxes without equal representation!
She is best!
THESE COMMENTS ARE LITERALLY BASED ON NOTHING BUT THE TITLE. WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO, THEN COMMENT.
I feel like block caps was needed there.
i'm also all for equality of women in coal mining jobs and garbage collection.
I've heard better videos on the subject, and Sandy has talked better. But if you feel there is no inequality do not talk down those who do. if someone is asking for help, you don't tell them to shut up and that they are wrong, either walk on by or give a hand.
Ceri Thomas: This is not a question of personal choice. These feminists are working hard on making governments discriminate against men. Not funny. Has to be talked down. Or rather: Has to be called out for the dangerous bullshit it is.
+Oliver Hoffmann Yes because men are so oppressed they only make up 80% of government representatives, judges and company CEOs. Women's overwhelming underrepresentation is soo powerful and influential people have to stand up to them or they'll be no hope! :-p
"Look, a woman in the thumbnail! And she's talking about equality! Gotta dislike!!!!"
Cantarella 000 Yeah, why isn't there a woman And a man. Equal representation, am I right or wrong?
you're wrong
Far Too many dislikes & hate in the comments for my comfort, or is it naive intolerance.
#jc4pm