Ironic that people think that Ray's a rat when HE's the one that got betrayed repeatedly. 1. Luca and the garbage crew stole the diamonds from Ray. 2. Johnny stole the money from the diamond deal even though Ray was gonna split it 50/50. 3. Jimmy Pegorino and Niko betrayed Ray by having him killed.
1. Luca and his crew most likely despised Ray and wanted to screw him over 2. Johnny also hated Ray and therefore screwed him over 3. Pegorino thought that Ray was too much of a rat and had Niko kill him All in all, they're pretty justified in betraying Ray. He was such an asshole lol
When Johnny got out of the museum with the cash Ray's boys were already waiting for him trying to kill him even though there wasn't any evidence he would rip Ray off at that point.
@@irvinalexanderflores how do you know they were waiting to kill him and weren't there to make sure the deal went well? After all those guys don't attack Niko, because niko doesn't betray Ray.
The fact there's a police station literally across the street from the park Derrick hangs out at proves that he probably got arrested for possession of illegal substance (heroine) by some cop who happen to see him freaking out while high. Out of all the parks Derrick could of went to feed his addiction, he decides to go to the one with the most police activity. Why!? Great in-depth character analysis Pat! These lore videos are so well put together and enjoyable!
@@lonelymnewarrior69 if Francis steps up Gerry while he may not get out. Francis would use his connections to ensure Gerry isn't fucked over. Because I imagine Gerry could get end his political career with a phone call. Francis doesn't want go to jail and would do anything. Thinking about these guys like real criminals they would cut some sort of arrangement behind the scenes. It would look bad if Gerry was dropping dirt or some big bad guy in federal. However if his brother qualifies for early release and goes "legit" which means running a front I could imagine both would cut a nice long term deal slice of the pie type situation knowing liberty city.
I don't think Rockstar do that to hint something, I mean look, there is LOST fuckin MC clubhouse just around the corner from the police station, their base of operations, they doing drugs there, deliver drugs and guns there, fighting and who knows what else, Billy (head of the chapter) even kill person right there in a cutscene, and it's all happen just behind the police station, i think it's just bad mapping or whatever you called it from Rockstar and nothing else, they probably doesn't exactly know where Derrick gonna give missions when they did the map so it's just a stupid coincidence, even if it's symbolic in some way.
As a recovering heroine addict myself, I would say I'm 97.9% sure it was Derrick. Drugs make you selfish, so it's not hard to believe he got busted for possession. Then he rats on Gerry to get out of it and also because he's scared of withdrawl, which is terrible and I get why he would be affraid of it. With a rap sheet like his, he would likely get the maximum for any crime he is caught for as well.
I agree but I don't think he snitched to avoid withdrawal symptoms in prison. Prisons typically have more drugs readily available than on the street. There may not be AS many drugs floating around, but it's definitely way easier to find.
This was my biggest indicator that it’s Derrick. Drugs can completely change you Derrick strikes me as someone who would typically be real loyal to the family but being addicted to drugs can make you real selfish. Going even through a little withdrawal would drive you to do ANYTHING for your next fix. It’s why there’s that joke of drug addicts doing anything for $20 for their next fix; drug addiction will f you up
The voice acting in this game was top notch HBO level quality. I really hope GTA6 brings back the quality. The story of GTAV has great lines but this game is more realistic.
@@hapoy1675 it would be horrible but stranger things have happened and look how everything has become politicised and everything has got more woke and a gta game that's more pc might sound crazy to people but we're living in a crazy world
@@heisensperg9264 I hope it is political like GTA 4. I do hope it is not censored but it would be cool to learn some interesting history like in GTA4. Americans only learn about the history that we were victorious in. When Eastern Europe was shattered, Americans just didn't get information about it, so the Bosnian war story was incredible to me.
I can see why you believe Derrick talked, with his heavy heroin addiction and his past history of snitching after being busted for explosives as a police informant, It's clear now. Derrick is just as bad as Francis, even if Francis is a corrupt cop, Derrick wouldn't care less if he took down everyone with him. Heroin can damage the mind, and Derrick could've been easily manipulated into talking about Gerry to get off easily.
In my opinion Derrick used the troubles in Northern Ireland as a way to cause trouble and fight for a cause he sort of agreed with. Although he’s ethnically Irish would someone like Derrick really care about a conflict which he was so far away from. I don’t think so. He also probably used the troubles as a way of gaining experience in combat and in using explosives and other equipment etc so that he could come back home and use it to help in his families gang.
@@mikelitorous5570 considering that the IRA got funding from Irish in the US... yeah, there were people that cared for the stuff going on there, even if they were far away.
It's funny if that's the point because it means that Niko killed Francis in canon. If he killed Derrick, Gerry could have been released from prison and blackmailed the new Commissioner, Francis, into turning a blind eye to the McCreary gang.
Even though the game tried to paint Francis as the aggressor and Derrick as the underdog, Derrick having us kill Aiden just felt so off to me. Sure Aiden talked mad shit about Derrick in jail, but the fact that he was an old man who was so excited to be free, just to be thrown off a cliff and we had no option to spare him. And then we find out by Francis (and by police scanner) that Derrick lied to us, and he DID in fact rat Aiden out, it pissed me off. As much as I tried to justify killing Francis, the crook who pretended to be cop, Francis never actually lied to us to get us to do his dirty work, and he never actually backstabbed anyone. And yet Derrick sold out his best friend and wanted to ruin his brother's career, and CASUALLY asked Niko to kill Francis like it was absolutely nothing to him. Unlike Francis, he didn't even ponder on it for a bit. I had to kill Derrick.
Speaking of Derrick's addiction, his heroin usage makes him all the more self-destructive, which could kill him by overdose, given that he's mentioned to be dead by GTA V.
From my cannon Derrick is already dead because Niko shot him instead of francis even tho what paccie said in gta5 I felt awkward because I knew exactly how his brother Derrick died
@@Rob17Cotton Yeah, that's right. It could be more messed up if you choose Revenge at the end of GTA 4 and Kate dies, and also choose to kill Francis, Derrick dies between 2008 and 2013, and also choosing to kill Packie instead of saving him in GTA 5, the McReary family is basically wiped out in just 5 years time, with Gerry only left probably.
@@user-sg2mu9ye7h Elizabeta was probably transferred to a federal prison for women, while Gerry wasn't put in the mission because Rockstar done it that way in case players would do Gerry's first missions (before his arrest) after the events of TLAD have wrapped up.
@@user-sg2mu9ye7h I also thought of the same thing asking about TLAD's final mission taking place during the phobe call with Gerry. I find it hard to piece the continuity of the three games altogether
I gave Derrick the hard goodbye for three main reasons. 1. Francis might have been a corrupt officer that impresses hitmen into doing vigilante work for him, but Derrick is an international terrorist that has a history of tuning on his various accomplices after the fact. 2. Francis has *far* more to lose, which makes him more controllable than a junkie that thinks out loud on park benches. 3. The moral dilemma really boils down to weather you tolerate hypocrites or traitors more, and Niko's primary motivation for being in Liberty City is to confront a traitor from his past in spite of how much of a hypocrite he might become along the way.
I still don't fully understand what happened to Packie after GTA V We can do the Casino Heist with him saving him from a LSPD van but I don't know if that's canon I hope my bro is retired like Niko and just enjoying life
My theory is that Francis figured out that Derrick snitched on Gerald. That's the biggest reason why Francis wants to silence Derrick, to prevent any more dirty laundry from being aired. Simple scenario: an officer belonging to a sect that doesn't want Francis to be commissioner talks to Derrick strung out on the H. Derrick rambles about a racket that Gerald is part of, and the officer also suspects Gerald leading the bank heist due to his connection with the dead Michael. The informant Derrick gets left alone since Gerald is a more appealing catch; fortunately Gerald doesn't rat on any of his brothers, especially Patrick.
Well Derrick has ratted out his teammates and friends before so it wouldn't be that surprising if he actually did screw over Gerald, Francis never really did anything like that, sure he's a police officer and he's corrupt but he doesn't hide it really at least not from Niko.
Its alot more than that I believe. Many say killing Francis is better but if you do Derrick missions and also listen to the dialogue of Francis, Patrick and Gerald you can hear Derrick is a know snitch. Francis may be a corrupt cop and all but he is more upfront with Niko on that territory and not all the people he kill is people that blackmail him. Some are genuine criminals and that lawyer is also a criminal despite his status. Francis has no problems with his family except for Derrick. He even said to Niko he has no problem with him working for Packie or Gerald, it is Derrick Niko should stay away from. Plus, Francis didn't want Derrick dead from the beginning. Its only until Derrick threatened and blackmailed Francis that he took the step to let him killed. Yeah its kinda awful killing your own brother but why did Derrick mess with Francis in the first place and why did he try to blackmail his own brother? That's why I agree Derrick should be the one that you kill and not Francis cause Francis despite being shady, wouldn't do anything to his own family. If Francis wanted Packie and Gerald gone or dead he would have done it but he did not. Plus Derrick is alot worse cause his missions involve killing those he snitched, that is already red flags to me. Also Francis even told Niko that he will protect him from his cop buddies or any law enforcement that will arrest him. Despite being blackmailed on that part, he himself said he owes Niko on that part so its not really blackmail. Its more of a thank you or reward in that sense.
putting all of these together and linking them is time consuming work. now i know why making lore videos are hardest thing. but man i love them so much they are really interesting and fun to watch. please make more if these lore videos. i cant get enough of them
I feel Niko should feel guilty about Aiden but should try to keep it at a low level because he was rotting in prison, and also, Derrick probably committed worse things in the IRA.
The IRA were known for using car bombs. Derrick says he knows how to use PE4 (C4). It really wouldn’t suprise me if he was carrying out these crimes committed by the IRA
This is something I've never really put too much thought into. I always assumed Gerry was just being sloppy and careless with his criminal activity and drew attention to himself. I think you are 100% correct with this video, Derrick is definitely the snitch. I've sadly known people similar to Derrick in real life. Even if they love you to death ultimately they will give anyone and everything up for their next hit. I think that's exactly what Derrick did. You can't trust drug addicts at all. I choose to save Francis when I play through the game. Even though Francis is a corrupt scumbag cop, I do believe he is grounded enough to potentially redeem himself one day. Derrick is too far gone, and brings nothing but pain and suffering to everyone around him.
Well if you think about it they’re really the same type of person. Since Francis is willing to kill his own brother to get ahead, and Derrick is willing to send his brother to jail and everyone else he was ever close to stay out of jail and be a junky. I’d spare Francis just because in the end he does stay loyal to Niko by helping keep the cops off of him if you let him live. Derrick would never be loyal to anybody. He’s not just a snitch, he’s a rat
@@diesemautokerl2181 You mean that corrupt lawyer who was profiting by destroying lifes of other people and was implied to be a pedophile in my opinion Francis sent Niko to kill because he had to, because they were threat for not only him but also the entire familly, while Derrick sent Niko to kill his ex best friends because he was a coward who never wanted face justice for his actions. Francis at least sent Niko to kill a traitorous crime lord(Clarence) and Tom Goldberg who was even gloating on his firm page how he caused familly to become extremly poor and even pushed one with daughters to prostitution, this two were a real threat to McReary familly. While Derrick was most likely too drunken and druged to realise that Bruno isn't a big threat and Alden would most likely dissapear after being freed(he was just tired of protecting person who put him in the prison).
The Mcreary family is a sad family I'm surprised Kate didn't ended up like her brothers. But it would be funny if she was the rat but I don't think Rockstar wanted another Karen/Michelle twist.
The only reason why she isn't like her brothers is because she is a woman. I'm sorry but this is truth. Rockstar usually makes female characters innocent and too be honest I don't like that.
I don’t know if you knew this but if you ever wonder why theMcGreary brothers ended up becoming criminals. It’s because their dad was an alcoholic abusive pervert that inappropriately touched Packie. He actually reveals that to Niko if you go out drinking with Packs enough times. It’s really sad and it made me feel bad for the McGreary brothers.
I rlly appreciate lore videos and detailed video essays like this because they give me a better appreciation for the game itself and the intricacies they’ve written into them
@@NikoPeludoObviously he’d wait until they couldn’t do anything to stop him. But he definitely wanted to take over, he wasn’t truly loyal, just appeared to be until the right time. He never got the chance though, cos Pegorino saw right through him and decided he was too much of a threat, and more of one than Phil Bell
Francis its a scumbag who hired Niko to kill ppl to get his name clean calling himself a good person, Derrick was a big *ss snitch n' yunkie but at least saving him its the best choice. The Death of Francis was Karma.
I believe that niko killing Derek is the cannon ending keeping Francis alive helps niko with the lcpd also niko dislikes drug addict and Derek is beyond help so I believe niko kills him
@@ethanvern4600 More like Niko is against drugs, but this could be easily altered throughout the game. Niko is against drugs, not people who consume drugs. Little Jacob, close friend of his, consumes weed all the time. if Niko was against people who consume drugs, he wouldn't go out with LJ.
@Jokūbas Varanauskas Makes more sense to kill Francis, seeing as Derrick will die anyway. Be rid of the pair of them. Kiki offers the same benefit as him and does it more often and still does it after completion. Plus, if you kill Frankie, the funeral mission is much shorter and easier
Huh...I always just figured the cops traced it back to Gerry because of A. How sloppy Packie and Derrick were with the robbery (arguing; mentioning Ireland, they're brothers, etc) and B. Michael's body was found at the crime scene, which would have traced back to the McReary's, along with the fact that all the brother's have a record and the police is aware of the McReary family's existance, even if they're a small time outfit. It'd just be a matter of putting the pieces together. The possibility of Ray being a rat might also enhance that, we learn in TLaD that Ray was in fact under investigation by the feds though that doesn't confirm him being a rat. But if he was, Ray would definately sell Gerry out. The old Irish-Italian fued goes back a century, maybe more. Especially in NYC. Source? I'm from NYC and of Sicilian descent. No one ever shut up about it there, from small time street guidos to wiseguys. Same with the Irish parts of Brooklyn.
Which wouldn't add up because they only got Gerry. Also, they would need evidence to attempt to charge him with those crimes. Gerry was the only one arrested.
The backstory behind Packie and Gerry is one of the most disturbing in any of Rockstars games, the entire McReary family in general is probably the worst you could ask for.
Great lore video Professional. Im glad you used your knowledge in criminal justice to figure out the very under rated criminal underworld of IV and its stories.
Regarding the mention of Tony Soprano, people always try to downplay that shot with the baby's carseat, but the fact is that the shot is there to signify that Tony was indeed bothered by the fact that Christopher's child could have been killed due to Christopher's irresponsibility. This does not make it the sole deciding factor, but it certainly helped solidify Tony's justification for eliminating Christopher. Tony now understood that Christopher had let himself go and now his own life was endangered by Christopher, the crime family was endangered by Christopher, and even a helpless child was as good as dead with Christopher around. Tony may be a cold killer, but we cannot forget that he has a soft spot for creatures that he considers "innocent" or "helpless", which likely includes infants. In Tony's mind it was yet another good reason to off Chris. Despite the fact that Tony is a sociopath, he is not a character that is devoid of a conscience and is capable of compassion, however fleeting and minuscule that compassion may be.
I never thought Derrick could be the snitch, you forgot one small detail that could seal this deal So Derrick tell you to kill Aiden, but Patrick come with the prison break idea because if Aiden die cops would immediately question Derrick, when you finish that mission you can see in the internet the news about Aiden disappearing Well missions later (specifically after Niko kidnapps Gracie) you can see in the news Aiden´s body was found, so who do you think they visit after this discovery? exactly, Derrick and he probably take this chance to snitch on Gerald to get away from this murder "but in that mission Gerry is already in jail and Derrick/Francis are dead" you say? but remember news get out after a time, police probably wouldn´t give this information immediately and in this moment Derrick is already dead or probably fleed to Ireland again so there is no point in holding this information
I have a brief theory about the timeline for your choices in the gta4 story: I believe it's canonically accurate for Derrick to die, since in the time gta5 passes he's already dead, and Packie also never even speak about Francis. Also, it is confirmed that the revenge emding was canon since in Jimmy's laptop at Michael's house shows us that Niko had recently activities with Roman, which implies that Kate really died.
You are now my official favourite GTA/SR TH-camr, found you a year ago with the Big Smoke betrayal video which was good, but ever since then you've just been improving with each passing video and even teached me things on characters I knew a lot about. Massive respect for you
that's what i'm thinking too cuz Derrick cant snitch on Gerry without taking down himself Niko and packie cuz gerry knows that derrick mikey packie and niko robbed the liberty city bank
I think you're writing off Francis too easily. He wants Derrick dead, and Packie ends up leaving after TBOGT. Kate is not a threat, and what is it that Francis wants? He wants a good reputation, which entails no more crimes from his brothers, at least in Liberty City. With Gerry imprisoned, Derrick dead and Packie leaving, he's accomplished exactly what he needed.
I kinda wrote Francis off after packy said Francis can’t touch him due to gerry having dirt on him. It only makes sense to me that if Francis wanted Gerry dead over it he would’ve sent niko on Gerry instead of locking him up giving him a chance to rat
@@nickysantoro7280 he wouldn't want Gerry imprisoned and honestly if Francis becomes police commissioner there is a good chance that Gerry's life inside the klink becomes alot nicer so to speak. Gaurd won't lay a finger and brother probably hooks him up in the commissary to keep him quiet. Knowing Gerry by GTA5 he's probably a big time shot caller and living comfortably inside jail because his brother has liberty state political connections.
@@nickysantoro7280 I mean yeah because Francis McCreary wouldn't risk his ass and political career. Besides all the illegal actions he committed no he's dirty but he's not going to rat out Gerry. If anything even though Francis had you kill derrick McCreary he still loves Packie and Gerry to a degree. Logically speaking he also found our derrick was a rat too. I mean in a weird way Francis killing his brother probably seemed merciful to his brothers heroin addiction that still would have killed him by the end of GTA4.
I think honestly it's a hard to see a canon choice for blood brothers and that's kinda why it's not confirmed yet. Killing Derrick gives you in game benefits but the family cares more about derrick and you kinda go against your own values (being a criminal, siding with a cop). However I see it as if you kill Derrick also ironically helpful as it does rid of someone who already is kinda dead (drug use), and on top of that there's no chance of Niko being ratted out for killing Derrick. The difference here is if you kill Francis, Derrick has nothing to lose ratting you out(not necessarily family, but just around the public), while Francis does as he has his entire career on the line, and the fact that even though he has dirt on Niko, he can pull him down with him. Also funnily enough if you fail the mission, the whole idea of being "put away" (supposedly the statement meant to threaten Niko) kinda falls flat as Francis merely insults Niko for keeping Derrick alive. I think it'd be cool if there was a canon option tho. I mean it does seem that Nikos a bit closer towards Derrick then Francis and seems more inclined to help him but who knows. Derricks clearly suffering and in pain so maybe that's why Niko feels more sympathetic.
When killing Bucky, I didn't feel guilty but it was different in case of aiden. I had suspicion of aiden not being the mole. And all the time I thought Gerry was ratted by any Mafia family, Ancelotti for screwing them up . But I thought it could be Derrick because in his missions there must be witnesses and then the polices used him to know about Gerry blackmailing Derrick to be arrested. Derrick becomes a bigger suspicion because just after Derrick's mission and dealing with Francis and Derrick , Gerry was caught. This couldn't be coincidental
@@mohdadeeb1829 regardless of whenever you can play this mission in YOUR save file, mission #67 in the gta iv chronological order between all 3 games is "I'll Take Her", with the last mission of the TLAD taking place during or after "Weekend at Florian's" and "Get Lost". After the final mission of TLAD, the next chronological mission would be "I'll Take Her [Ransom]". Source: th-cam.com/play/PLQ3KzJPBsAHlSouVpIwXjkvtF7rCdWdnL.html
@@darknid158 Eh, you do realise that GTASeriesVideos's playlist is just like any other playthrough, right? Not specifically the "chronological" order of the missions
@@darknid158 Me personally, I did Gerry's first missions at his house long after killing Ray, so it would sense in my playthrough as to why he wouldn't escape during Lost's rampage on the prison.
I think Derrick could’ve gotten arrested after the bank job because then he could say this was Geralds idea after all Gerald did get charged for armed robbery and racketeering
Makes sense because Derrick literally used to get high and drunk in open in a public park where lot of people could easily be able to see him and report about him. Plus there is a Police Station close to the park so it would also mean that an officer while on patrol saw him and arrested him and just to avoid jail time he most probably bribed the officers through the share he earned from the heist and told them about the heist and also about who the master mind of the heist is.
Nah, even if he had snitched on the others for that, he still would have been jailed for life, for murdering that guy who shot Michael (along with Packie), armed robbery with hostage taking, and for the murders of several police officers and N.O.O.S.E (SWAT) officers. Snitching doesn't always prevent jail, sometimes they just knock a few years off, but considering he not only murdered a hostage (regardless of said hostage killing his associate), but also several policemen, he would have still been in jail for the rest of his life with no possibilty of parole, even after snitching. He was more than likely arrested for drug possession, which can carry a sentence even if for own use, esp if it was in public, and the person has form for that and for any other crime, which he did. A crime like that though, he could avoid jail for that after turning state's on someone on their most wanted list, such as Gerry
Holy sh*t... It all made perfect sense when you showed Derricks first mission cutscene... Still tripping out haha, 13 years, I've passed this game 1000 times. Now I won't feel so bad smoking Derrick no more. Awesome discovery though. Crazy
Anthony was wearing a wire. Judging from Pegorino's reaction whenever Ray is around something is telling me that he doesn't have Ray around that much. 😂
My theory, sort of related to this video: *Niko killing Francis is the canon outcome and a drug overdose killed Derrick around the time the story ended; both dead, because even if you spare Derrick and kill Francis, Packie says his ma is "all he got left" after the Revenge ending and Kate's death, which is strange, as Derrick was quite close with Packie and their ma!! Another reason: Derrick's grave in Steinway (you can walk straight through it), while Francis' grave in Colony Island (is completely solid, like a normal gravestone)!!
I'm not going to lie. I hate Francis but allowing him to live is a way his mother could have at least one child. Yes, he is a hypocrite, but she would have that peace of having at least one child.
Derrick could've been alive but not for long, Packie is not a fool and knows his elder brother - with his habbits he could've gotten overdosed or killed while obtaining his dose (lets not forget crime in the city)
In GTA V, if you pick Packe for the Paleto score, he’ll mentioned that Derrick has also died. He doesn’t specify if he got killed by someone or a drug overdose, but either way, whichever way you pick, Derrick dies either way, so when you spare him, he ends up dying from a drug overdose
TheProfessional your giving me some serious inspiration here! I’m planning on making my own lore video now! It’s a gta 5 lore video that theorizes about why the Casino heist has Clifford make an appearance in one of the preps. Anyways thanks for the inspiration TheProfesional
I killed Francis because he was always threatening to blackmail Niko and the last thing he needed was another person trying to blackmail him, I knew derrick was fucked but his character was kinda funny and he was destined to die from the needle anyways. In reality I wanted to kill em both.
Yeah, there is that (the blackmail threats) and then there's the fact that the mcreary's that niko likes accept derrick for who he is and would probably mourn him more than francis overall
Derrick being the rat definitely adds more layers to that choice for Niko as a character, given he also experienced being ratted out by a strung up junkie they trusted back in Europe.
Derrick is already confirmed a rat by Aiden O'Malley (the guy in the prison van Derrick sends Niko and Packie to kill), who tells Niko he's only in prison because Derrick ratted him out. Packie tells Niko the same thing about Derrick ratting out his friends to avoid doing serious time in prison himself. ( th-cam.com/video/L1m9zBvc8vc/w-d-xo.html ) ( th-cam.com/video/L1m9zBvc8vc/w-d-xo.html )
I believe Niko killed Derrick and not Frankie, niko despised rats for what happened to him with Darko in the old country when he ratted to them ang got his friends killed, and honestly i believe niko thought Derrick was going to die soon from a overdose anyway. And if my memory doesn't fail i remember Derrick telling him he wanted to die or something
It only makes sense. By killing Derrick, Niko would be doing the McReary family a big favour. Killing Derrick would save Francis's career, protect Gerald as Derrick wouldn't be able to further incriminate Gerald. Derrick was too far gone and was bound to OD anyway. Packie would most probably prefer Niko killed Derrick too, as Packie was closer to Gerald. The McReary mom also seemed like she had a soft spot for Francis, calling him a saint at his funeral because he was the only one who ended up being somewhat legitimate and honest. Killing Derrick is better for Niko personally too, as Niko would be able to earn some money, have connections to the police, help his love interests family, put Derrick out of his misery. Killing Derrick also aligns with Niko's morals, as Niko finds loyalty to be very important.
(Phone call from Packie and Kate if you shot Derrick) Packie: " I just hope he was smacked out of his brain when it happened because it wouldn't have suited him to be jonesing when he died." Kate: reveals that Derrick was a shell of his former self who wanted to die Weather: Cloudy
It's weird because, morally, Niko is happy if he saves Derrick. Mostly because the poor guy lacks true context. The only way Niko can find out Derrick ratted on Aiden and Bucky is through Kate, and his reaction is goddamn priceless.
Packie watches his whole familiy turn to hell Geralds in Jail Derrick died of an overdose at some point Francis can Also die thats 2 dead If You spared Derrick Kate is dead, If You go on the "Good ending" So Packie can be the lone Survivor Or You can kill him for some Reason in GTA 5, not sure why You would kill Packie but... Okay
His dad Mr mcreary died in early 2000s i guess Francis was killed by Niko In 2008 Before Francis funeral happend Gerry was arrested in 2008 Kate Dies at the end of the game in 2008 Derrick Dies in 2010 Ms Mcreary died in 2011 Packie is alive and saw his own family collapse in few years
The funniest thing about Francis being worried that Derrick is back is not that he will potentially expose him …no he’s not worried about that it’s not about the prestige of his career he can deal with a scandal lol he’s worried about having a snitch for a brother meaning no cop in the world will trust him and that will end his career which means all the cops are dirty lol
The fact that Derrick ratted out Gerry is quite shocking because I felt sorry for him at first because he was kinda helpless and drunk and his family were all criminals except Kate and his mom I thought Gerry was arrested because the cops found out that he was the one who caused the issue between the Albanian gang and the pegoreno mafia
Derrick says after Niko shoots Francis something like this "it was like fate was deciding which one of us lives", with Niko answering "You have no idea"
On my very first play through of GTA IV's storyline, I was stoked to be associating with Irish gangsters because Irish gangs/mob weren't heavily featured in video games (come to think about it, neither are today really) but my excitement wore down quick, shit show after shit show.
Also some people might think that Niko's dead because Packie said so. He said "Probably" not "Oh he's dead too" he's probably hiding somewhere. Trying to get off the Criminal life probably. Love how you can have Packie as your Crew member. In GTA Online they went the lazy route and re-used the Voice from the Singleplayer.
The writing on this game was the strongest... This game let's players draw conclusions from decisions they make while playing. I kill Derrick because I want the McReary's to have some kind of continuation... If you kill Francis, Packie becomes the only McReary left because Derrick dies either way as heard in GTA V, and Gerald dies in prison, Kate dies by the end of the game and with Ma losing her children in such rapid succession, I doubt her heart will handle it seeing as how fragile she was already in GTA IV...giving Packie no reason to stay in Liberty City Overall, it's sad what happens to this family ...I wish we could've had him as Franklin's friend in GTA V to further find out more but that's just classic R☆, giving you the ingredients but what you cook is entirely up to you😅
Derrick was a freedom fighter of the IRA- which is not a terrorist group but a liberation group. And he will always be way better than Francis, and would never go to the extent of killing his own brother. If you read Derrick's wiki, it says that he has been arrested multiple times ever since he was a juvenile during violent protests. So fighting against the system is his nature. Also, Derrick truly regrets the snitching part, he's an alright man apart from his snitching and the drug addiction. He cannot be the one who ratted out Gerry, he could never fall that low. He literally says that he's not going anywhere now to look after his family, and had to tell niko to kill bucky because of his threats to kill Derrick and his family. Derrick doesn't deserve so much hate. He's one of the most decent characters in the game. Or at least he tries.
@@setro5582these are all good points. But the difference was that Michael wasn't a drug addict. I think that's the nail in the coffin for Derrick. I'm pretty sure he could have ratted just to feed his addiction. Especially with heroin.
Hey professional rockstar should be paying you to make these vids. No one else is taking gta to this level of detail man. Keep the vids coming Can you do a lore for gta v?
I didn't watch the entire video, just scanned some comments. I haven't finished the game yet but here's the thing: I just finished Tunnel of Death two days ago, and that made me realize that killing Derrick is the best choice. It's highly possible that he was the one who ratted Gerry out since he was a fucking mess, and as per Francis, that was just his personality. Getting involved in fights and betraying people. I also highly doubt it was Francis because he's more of a defense type of guy. He wouldn't attack unless he was threatened. As far as my understanding of the story goes, what would he gain if he would incarcerate Gerry? Just my thoughts. PS: I am about to start Weekend at Florian's and I'm excited to see what this ex-comrade of Niko looks like.
I have absolutely nothing to say ! The video is of incredible quality ! I feel so bad for Gerry, knowing he's in jail (even though he's done some bad things) hurts because he's one of my favorite characters (along with Jimmy Pegorino, Packie, Phil, Francis, and others) and I like him a lot. Now, I only have two things to note : 1) I'm waiting for your video on the Pegorino Crime Family and the Gambetti Crime Family 2) Although Aiden and Bucky Sligo are very, very bad people, they did not deserve to die. They deserved to be locked up in prison for the rest of their lives. I used to feel bad every time I saw Aiden killed, but now, after watching your video, my perception has changed dramatically - I don't feel as bad about him being dead anymore, because he's a horrible person just like Bucky (and I'm not talking about Derrick). Keep up the good work, Pro, your Lore videos allow us to see the game from a whole new perspective, in a very different way and I personally appreciate that ! PS : I really liked the fact that you added an excerpt from The Sopranos, I've never seen the show before (I know, I should be ashamed and I am lol), I really, really appreciated that.
Ironic that people think that Ray's a rat when HE's the one that got betrayed repeatedly.
1. Luca and the garbage crew stole the diamonds from Ray.
2. Johnny stole the money from the diamond deal even though Ray was gonna split it 50/50.
3. Jimmy Pegorino and Niko betrayed Ray by having him killed.
Poor Ray R.I.P
1. Luca and his crew most likely despised Ray and wanted to screw him over
2. Johnny also hated Ray and therefore screwed him over
3. Pegorino thought that Ray was too much of a rat and had Niko kill him
All in all, they're pretty justified in betraying Ray. He was such an asshole lol
When Johnny got out of the museum with the cash Ray's boys were already waiting for him trying to kill him even though there wasn't any evidence he would rip Ray off at that point.
@@Imps603 personal disdain for people is not a reason to break your contract.
@@irvinalexanderflores how do you know they were waiting to kill him and weren't there to make sure the deal went well? After all those guys don't attack Niko, because niko doesn't betray Ray.
The fact there's a police station literally across the street from the park Derrick hangs out at proves that he probably got arrested for possession of illegal substance (heroine) by some cop who happen to see him freaking out while high. Out of all the parks Derrick could of went to feed his addiction, he decides to go to the one with the most police activity. Why!? Great in-depth character analysis Pat! These lore videos are so well put together and enjoyable!
I always think that Francis step up jail for Jerry
That's an excellent detail
@@lonelymnewarrior69 if Francis steps up Gerry while he may not get out. Francis would use his connections to ensure Gerry isn't fucked over. Because I imagine Gerry could get end his political career with a phone call. Francis doesn't want go to jail and would do anything. Thinking about these guys like real criminals they would cut some sort of arrangement behind the scenes. It would look bad if Gerry was dropping dirt or some big bad guy in federal. However if his brother qualifies for early release and goes "legit" which means running a front I could imagine both would cut a nice long term deal slice of the pie type situation knowing liberty city.
He probably went to that bench after speaking to the police and that's why he's there
I don't think Rockstar do that to hint something, I mean look, there is LOST fuckin MC clubhouse just around the corner from the police station, their base of operations, they doing drugs there, deliver drugs and guns there, fighting and who knows what else, Billy (head of the chapter) even kill person right there in a cutscene, and it's all happen just behind the police station, i think it's just bad mapping or whatever you called it from Rockstar and nothing else, they probably doesn't exactly know where Derrick gonna give missions when they did the map so it's just a stupid coincidence, even if it's symbolic in some way.
As a recovering heroine addict myself, I would say I'm 97.9% sure it was Derrick. Drugs make you selfish, so it's not hard to believe he got busted for possession. Then he rats on Gerry to get out of it and also because he's scared of withdrawl, which is terrible and I get why he would be affraid of it. With a rap sheet like his, he would likely get the maximum for any crime he is caught for as well.
I’m a recovering meth addict, That makes us fast & slow
so derrick accused gerry so gerry got arrested?
Yeah I will agree I wouldnt say that it was Francis because Francis hates Derrick more than Gerald
I agree but I don't think he snitched to avoid withdrawal symptoms in prison. Prisons typically have more drugs readily available than on the street. There may not be AS many drugs floating around, but it's definitely way easier to find.
This was my biggest indicator that it’s Derrick. Drugs can completely change you
Derrick strikes me as someone who would typically be real loyal to the family but being addicted to drugs can make you real selfish. Going even through a little withdrawal would drive you to do ANYTHING for your next fix. It’s why there’s that joke of drug addicts doing anything for $20 for their next fix; drug addiction will f you up
The voice acting in this game was top notch HBO level quality. I really hope GTA6 brings back the quality. The story of GTAV has great lines but this game is more realistic.
I hope gta 6 is like gta 4 but idk I've got a feeling like it'll be a different more politically correct game hopefully I'm wrong
@@heisensperg9264 that would be so horrible if it was political correct
@@hapoy1675 it would be horrible but stranger things have happened and look how everything has become politicised and everything has got more woke and a gta game that's more pc might sound crazy to people but we're living in a crazy world
@@heisensperg9264 Yeah I really think that they would have gotten in trouble for GTA V in 2021 if it was a fresh game
@@heisensperg9264 I hope it is political like GTA 4. I do hope it is not censored but it would be cool to learn some interesting history like in GTA4. Americans only learn about the history that we were victorious in. When Eastern Europe was shattered, Americans just didn't get information about it, so the Bosnian war story was incredible to me.
I can see why you believe Derrick talked, with his heavy heroin addiction and his past history of snitching after being busted for explosives as a police informant, It's clear now. Derrick is just as bad as Francis, even if Francis is a corrupt cop, Derrick wouldn't care less if he took down everyone with him. Heroin can damage the mind, and Derrick could've been easily manipulated into talking about Gerry to get off easily.
In my opinion Derrick used the troubles in Northern Ireland as a way to cause trouble and fight for a cause he sort of agreed with. Although he’s ethnically Irish would someone like Derrick really care about a conflict which he was so far away from. I don’t think so. He also probably used the troubles as a way of gaining experience in combat and in using explosives and other equipment etc so that he could come back home and use it to help in his families gang.
@@mikelitorous5570 considering that the IRA got funding from Irish in the US... yeah, there were people that cared for the stuff going on there, even if they were far away.
It's funny if that's the point because it means that Niko killed Francis in canon. If he killed Derrick, Gerry could have been released from prison and blackmailed the new Commissioner, Francis, into turning a blind eye to the McCreary gang.
Well not necessarily. I assume if Niko spares Francis, he still wouldn't be commissioner due to the arrest of Gerry.
Even though the game tried to paint Francis as the aggressor and Derrick as the underdog, Derrick having us kill Aiden just felt so off to me. Sure Aiden talked mad shit about Derrick in jail, but the fact that he was an old man who was so excited to be free, just to be thrown off a cliff and we had no option to spare him. And then we find out by Francis (and by police scanner) that Derrick lied to us, and he DID in fact rat Aiden out, it pissed me off. As much as I tried to justify killing Francis, the crook who pretended to be cop, Francis never actually lied to us to get us to do his dirty work, and he never actually backstabbed anyone. And yet Derrick sold out his best friend and wanted to ruin his brother's career, and CASUALLY asked Niko to kill Francis like it was absolutely nothing to him. Unlike Francis, he didn't even ponder on it for a bit. I had to kill Derrick.
Speaking of Derrick's addiction, his heroin usage makes him all the more self-destructive, which could kill him by overdose, given that he's mentioned to be dead by GTA V.
From my cannon Derrick is already dead because Niko shot him instead of francis even tho what paccie said in gta5 I felt awkward because I knew exactly how his brother Derrick died
@@Rob17Cotton Yeah, that's right. It could be more messed up if you choose Revenge at the end of GTA 4 and Kate dies, and also choose to kill Francis, Derrick dies between 2008 and 2013, and also choosing to kill Packie instead of saving him in GTA 5, the McReary family is basically wiped out in just 5 years time, with Gerry only left probably.
@@robtz759 When you kill Billy at the end of TLAD, Rockstar should've had Elizabeta and Gerry escaping the prison like the other inmates did.
@@user-sg2mu9ye7h Elizabeta was probably transferred to a federal prison for women, while Gerry wasn't put in the mission because Rockstar done it that way in case players would do Gerry's first missions (before his arrest) after the events of TLAD have wrapped up.
@@user-sg2mu9ye7h I also thought of the same thing asking about TLAD's final mission taking place during the phobe call with Gerry. I find it hard to piece the continuity of the three games altogether
I gave Derrick the hard goodbye for three main reasons.
1. Francis might have been a corrupt officer that impresses hitmen into doing vigilante work for him, but Derrick is an international terrorist that has a history of tuning on his various accomplices after the fact.
2. Francis has *far* more to lose, which makes him more controllable than a junkie that thinks out loud on park benches.
3. The moral dilemma really boils down to weather you tolerate hypocrites or traitors more, and Niko's primary motivation for being in Liberty City is to confront a traitor from his past in spite of how much of a hypocrite he might become along the way.
"Here we are boys, moment of fucking truth"
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LOL
The ad censored it for me.
Yup moment of fucking AD
I just recently realized Ray Bulgarin is the same actor from the Sopranos that was an interior decorator
"put the remote down, on docking station"
"better not be any rubles in there hehe"
And he also voiced Savo from Midnight Club 2
@@flavioct9874 that profile picture😂
@@DHCNetwork06 "what are u doing? U destroying the car!"
@@ExoticGTRX "How are you supposed to beat me if you don't have a car?"
I really feel bad for The McReary family,especially Kate and Packie
I still don't fully understand what happened to Packie after GTA V
We can do the Casino Heist with him saving him from a LSPD van but I don't know if that's canon
I hope my bro is retired like Niko and just enjoying life
@@dybixs1400 I mean there's 2 endings in GTA IV so I think it depends on which ending you pick
Feel bad for Kate...not for packie...he a bad man..she on the other hand is a good person...and we all know it...still packie is a cool guy.mind
@Adithya yeah, that's what I said
YESSSS like I don't understand why some people even end up dragging Kate
This game has so much depth. This is just one of many conversations you could have about this game
Definitely has to be the best gta
My theory is that Francis figured out that Derrick snitched on Gerald. That's the biggest reason why Francis wants to silence Derrick, to prevent any more dirty laundry from being aired. Simple scenario: an officer belonging to a sect that doesn't want Francis to be commissioner talks to Derrick strung out on the H. Derrick rambles about a racket that Gerald is part of, and the officer also suspects Gerald leading the bank heist due to his connection with the dead Michael. The informant Derrick gets left alone since Gerald is a more appealing catch; fortunately Gerald doesn't rat on any of his brothers, especially Patrick.
Well Derrick has ratted out his teammates and friends before so it wouldn't be that surprising if he actually did screw over Gerald, Francis never really did anything like that, sure he's a police officer and he's corrupt but he doesn't hide it really at least not from Niko.
Its alot more than that I believe. Many say killing Francis is better but if you do Derrick missions and also listen to the dialogue of Francis, Patrick and Gerald you can hear Derrick is a know snitch. Francis may be a corrupt cop and all but he is more upfront with Niko on that territory and not all the people he kill is people that blackmail him. Some are genuine criminals and that lawyer is also a criminal despite his status. Francis has no problems with his family except for Derrick. He even said to Niko he has no problem with him working for Packie or Gerald, it is Derrick Niko should stay away from. Plus, Francis didn't want Derrick dead from the beginning. Its only until Derrick threatened and blackmailed Francis that he took the step to let him killed. Yeah its kinda awful killing your own brother but why did Derrick mess with Francis in the first place and why did he try to blackmail his own brother? That's why I agree Derrick should be the one that you kill and not Francis cause Francis despite being shady, wouldn't do anything to his own family. If Francis wanted Packie and Gerald gone or dead he would have done it but he did not. Plus Derrick is alot worse cause his missions involve killing those he snitched, that is already red flags to me. Also Francis even told Niko that he will protect him from his cop buddies or any law enforcement that will arrest him. Despite being blackmailed on that part, he himself said he owes Niko on that part so its not really blackmail. Its more of a thank you or reward in that sense.
@@w.c2255 yeah you right, francis is useful than derrick
Back when gta used to have intricate lore, with hidden details.
Gta5 stihas that its just 5 went to stereotype in its still to much over the top shit not enough legit crime.
Five has some fun lord but it pisses me off that a majority is outside of dialogue unlike the older ones
You can REALLY analyze their convos here.
@@ziongamer6905 *GTA V is a good game don't get me wrong but the details in GTA IV were better and Epic*
@@Servant__of__Allah e
@@albertozalon8477 GTA always has many stereotypes.
putting all of these together and linking them is time consuming work. now i know why making lore videos are hardest thing. but man i love them so much they are really interesting and fun to watch. please make more if these lore videos. i cant get enough of them
You and Larry Lawton should join the writing team for the next GTA games
I feel Niko should feel guilty about Aiden but should try to keep it at a low level because he was rotting in prison, and also, Derrick probably committed worse things in the IRA.
The IRA were known for using car bombs. Derrick says he knows how to use PE4 (C4). It really wouldn’t suprise me if he was carrying out these crimes committed by the IRA
For what cause did the IRA fight and why did they committed a lot of terrible crimes?
@@Black-White-BW1 they fight for a free and united Ireland where no British occupation stands on the Island.
Basically they say fuck the UDA.
Is C4 called PE4 in Ireland?
@@PaulRudd1941 But they also committed terrorist attacks on the British public which killed innocent people.
Wait Aiden O'Malley was only 49 when you killed him? He looks older than Derrick, but he's younger? He looks like he's in his late 60s early 70s.
Life in prison will do that to a person
@@mohdadeeb1829 thats cause he's not using drugs and he knows how to take care himself
@@mohdadeeb1829 Devin has money to go plastic surgery there and Jimmy P mostly an alchoholic
@@mohdadeeb1829 Same as Victor from VCS. He was just 28 at the time of VCS and didn't serve prison, but he still looks older than Tommy
Might be the prison food
This is something I've never really put too much thought into. I always assumed Gerry was just being sloppy and careless with his criminal activity and drew attention to himself.
I think you are 100% correct with this video, Derrick is definitely the snitch. I've sadly known people similar to Derrick in real life. Even if they love you to death ultimately they will give anyone and everything up for their next hit. I think that's exactly what Derrick did. You can't trust drug addicts at all.
I choose to save Francis when I play through the game. Even though Francis is a corrupt scumbag cop, I do believe he is grounded enough to potentially redeem himself one day. Derrick is too far gone, and brings nothing but pain and suffering to everyone around him.
Correct however Francis clearly has no qualms on killing innocent people for his own power
@@diesemautokerl2181 I'd don't think that any of the people Francis hired Nico to kill could be called "innocent."
Well if you think about it they’re really the same type of person. Since Francis is willing to kill his own brother to get ahead, and Derrick is willing to send his brother to jail and everyone else he was ever close to stay out of jail and be a junky. I’d spare Francis just because in the end he does stay loyal to Niko by helping keep the cops off of him if you let him live. Derrick would never be loyal to anybody. He’s not just a snitch, he’s a rat
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@@diesemautokerl2181 You mean that corrupt lawyer who was profiting by destroying lifes of other people and was implied to be a pedophile in my opinion Francis sent Niko to kill because he had to, because they were threat for not only him but also the entire familly, while Derrick sent Niko to kill his ex best friends because he was a coward who never wanted face justice for his actions.
Francis at least sent Niko to kill a traitorous crime lord(Clarence) and Tom Goldberg who was even gloating on his firm page how he caused familly to become extremly poor and even pushed one with daughters to prostitution, this two were a real threat to McReary familly.
While Derrick was most likely too drunken and druged to realise that Bruno isn't a big threat and Alden would most likely dissapear after being freed(he was just tired of protecting person who put him in the prison).
The Mcreary family is a sad family I'm surprised Kate didn't ended up like her brothers. But it would be funny if she was the rat but I don't think Rockstar wanted another Karen/Michelle twist.
I like the mod where you can play as Kate, imagine doing a rampage as her 😂
The only reason why she isn't like her brothers is because she is a woman. I'm sorry but this is truth. Rockstar usually makes female characters innocent and too be honest I don't like that.
@m Wow she is the only female character from their games who is actually evil. Wow.
@@icywinx861 Elizabeta?
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104yeah
I don’t know if you knew this but if you ever wonder why theMcGreary brothers ended up becoming criminals. It’s because their dad was an alcoholic abusive pervert that inappropriately touched Packie. He actually reveals that to Niko if you go out drinking with Packs enough times. It’s really sad and it made me feel bad for the McGreary brothers.
@Stiglitz That's unfair. He treated her better only because she was girl.
@@icywinx861 And he killed himself before Kate really grew up
that’s so heartbreaking
I feel bad for Packie and Gerry. Francis is corrupt but Derrick is much worse. I have no empathy to Kate.
Damn bruh ☹️
I rlly appreciate lore videos and detailed video essays like this because they give me a better appreciation for the game itself and the intricacies they’ve written into them
I knew it wasn’t Ray. Ray never really betrayed anyone, people betrayed him instead. Johnny, Niko and even his own boss.
He would have. He got reverse karma'd, he got it before he got the chance to sell Pegorino and Phil out. He was clearly working towards it though
@@PBL187 how do you know he was gonna sell them out?
@@mopettetm8220 It was obvious. Once he got the chance to take over, he would have sold them out in a heartbeat
@@PBL187that wouldn’t make sense then. They would’ve taken him down as well, since they too have dirt on Ray
@@NikoPeludoObviously he’d wait until they couldn’t do anything to stop him. But he definitely wanted to take over, he wasn’t truly loyal, just appeared to be until the right time. He never got the chance though, cos Pegorino saw right through him and decided he was too much of a threat, and more of one than Phil Bell
Saving Derrick's life when he's homeless is bad. I let him die as a snitch. Remember him as a snitch .
Francis its a scumbag who hired Niko to kill ppl to get his name clean calling himself a good person, Derrick was a big *ss snitch n' yunkie but at least saving him its the best choice. The Death of Francis was Karma.
I believe that niko killing Derek is the cannon ending keeping Francis alive helps niko with the lcpd also niko dislikes drug addict and Derek is beyond help so I believe niko kills him
@@ethanvern4600 More like Niko is against drugs, but this could be easily altered throughout the game. Niko is against drugs, not people who consume drugs. Little Jacob, close friend of his, consumes weed all the time. if Niko was against people who consume drugs, he wouldn't go out with LJ.
@Jokūbas Varanauskas Makes more sense to kill Francis, seeing as Derrick will die anyway. Be rid of the pair of them. Kiki offers the same benefit as him and does it more often and still does it after completion. Plus, if you kill Frankie, the funeral mission is much shorter and easier
@@ethanvern4600 Yeah both were bad in their respective ways that's fact. Having Derrick killed was better than Francis now I realized that.
Huh...I always just figured the cops traced it back to Gerry because of A. How sloppy Packie and Derrick were with the robbery (arguing; mentioning Ireland, they're brothers, etc) and B. Michael's body was found at the crime scene, which would have traced back to the McReary's, along with the fact that all the brother's have a record and the police is aware of the McReary family's existance, even if they're a small time outfit. It'd just be a matter of putting the pieces together.
The possibility of Ray being a rat might also enhance that, we learn in TLaD that Ray was in fact under investigation by the feds though that doesn't confirm him being a rat. But if he was, Ray would definately sell Gerry out. The old Irish-Italian fued goes back a century, maybe more. Especially in NYC. Source? I'm from NYC and of Sicilian descent. No one ever shut up about it there, from small time street guidos to wiseguys. Same with the Irish parts of Brooklyn.
@Stiglitz Nah; I hear you. I'm just saying that's what I figured; like I said, I never really gave it a deep think lol
Greetings from Queens.
Which wouldn't add up because they only got Gerry. Also, they would need evidence to attempt to charge him with those crimes. Gerry was the only one arrested.
The backstory behind Packie and Gerry is one of the most disturbing in any of Rockstars games, the entire McReary family in general is probably the worst you could ask for.
Great lore video Professional. Im glad you used your knowledge in criminal justice to figure out the very under rated criminal underworld of IV and its stories.
Dude! This series of deep dives into the lore of the GTA games is fucking cool man! I enjoy these like a podcast man! Keep up the good work!!
Regarding the mention of Tony Soprano, people always try to downplay that shot with the baby's carseat, but the fact is that the shot is there to signify that Tony was indeed bothered by the fact that Christopher's child could have been killed due to Christopher's irresponsibility.
This does not make it the sole deciding factor, but it certainly helped solidify Tony's justification for eliminating Christopher. Tony now understood that Christopher had let himself go and now his own life was endangered by Christopher, the crime family was endangered by Christopher, and even a helpless child was as good as dead with Christopher around. Tony may be a cold killer, but we cannot forget that he has a soft spot for creatures that he considers "innocent" or "helpless", which likely includes infants. In Tony's mind it was yet another good reason to off Chris.
Despite the fact that Tony is a sociopath, he is not a character that is devoid of a conscience and is capable of compassion, however fleeting and minuscule that compassion may be.
No women no children no civilians even evil has a code
I never thought Derrick could be the snitch, you forgot one small detail that could seal this deal
So Derrick tell you to kill Aiden, but Patrick come with the prison break idea because if Aiden die cops would immediately question Derrick, when you finish that mission you can see in the internet the news about Aiden disappearing
Well missions later (specifically after Niko kidnapps Gracie) you can see in the news Aiden´s body was found, so who do you think they visit after this discovery? exactly, Derrick and he probably take this chance to snitch on Gerald to get away from this murder "but in that mission Gerry is already in jail and Derrick/Francis are dead" you say? but remember news get out after a time, police probably wouldn´t give this information immediately and in this moment Derrick is already dead or probably fleed to Ireland again so there is no point in holding this information
I have a brief theory about the timeline for your choices in the gta4 story:
I believe it's canonically accurate for Derrick to die, since in the time gta5 passes he's already dead, and Packie also never even speak about Francis. Also, it is confirmed that the revenge emding was canon since in Jimmy's laptop at Michael's house shows us that Niko had recently activities with Roman, which implies that Kate really died.
Is Kate and Gerald dead too
Kate obviously since she was killed by Peg via drive-by, in the Revenge approach aftermath. While Gerald still in prison...
You are now my official favourite GTA/SR TH-camr, found you a year ago with the Big Smoke betrayal video which was good, but ever since then you've just been improving with each passing video and even teached me things on characters I knew a lot about. Massive respect for you
It could be Francis doing his revenge on Gerry in silence. That’s why the vehicle was anonymous.
that's what i'm thinking too cuz Derrick cant snitch on Gerry without taking down himself Niko and packie cuz gerry knows that derrick mikey packie and niko robbed the liberty city bank
Nice pfp. Looks like things really changed when Niko went into HR.
what vehicle?
@@darknid158 Gerry said a vehicle was stalking him everyday
@@bigdaddyflavortown4606 Lol thanks
I think you're writing off Francis too easily.
He wants Derrick dead, and Packie ends up leaving after TBOGT. Kate is not a threat, and what is it that Francis wants? He wants a good reputation, which entails no more crimes from his brothers, at least in Liberty City. With Gerry imprisoned, Derrick dead and Packie leaving, he's accomplished exactly what he needed.
I kinda wrote Francis off after packy said Francis can’t touch him due to gerry having dirt on him. It only makes sense to me that if Francis wanted Gerry dead over it he would’ve sent niko on Gerry instead of locking him up giving him a chance to rat
@@nickysantoro7280 he wouldn't want Gerry imprisoned and honestly if Francis becomes police commissioner there is a good chance that Gerry's life inside the klink becomes alot nicer so to speak. Gaurd won't lay a finger and brother probably hooks him up in the commissary to keep him quiet. Knowing Gerry by GTA5 he's probably a big time shot caller and living comfortably inside jail because his brother has liberty state political connections.
@@MrJack1992 agreed. So do you believe Derrick could’ve been the rat?
@@nickysantoro7280 I mean yeah because Francis McCreary wouldn't risk his ass and political career. Besides all the illegal actions he committed no he's dirty but he's not going to rat out Gerry. If anything even though Francis had you kill derrick McCreary he still loves Packie and Gerry to a degree. Logically speaking he also found our derrick was a rat too. I mean in a weird way Francis killing his brother probably seemed merciful to his brothers heroin addiction that still would have killed him by the end of GTA4.
I think honestly it's a hard to see a canon choice for blood brothers and that's kinda why it's not confirmed yet. Killing Derrick gives you in game benefits but the family cares more about derrick and you kinda go against your own values (being a criminal, siding with a cop). However I see it as if you kill Derrick also ironically helpful as it does rid of someone who already is kinda dead (drug use), and on top of that there's no chance of Niko being ratted out for killing Derrick. The difference here is if you kill Francis, Derrick has nothing to lose ratting you out(not necessarily family, but just around the public), while Francis does as he has his entire career on the line, and the fact that even though he has dirt on Niko, he can pull him down with him. Also funnily enough if you fail the mission, the whole idea of being "put away" (supposedly the statement meant to threaten Niko) kinda falls flat as Francis merely insults Niko for keeping Derrick alive. I think it'd be cool if there was a canon option tho. I mean it does seem that Nikos a bit closer towards Derrick then Francis and seems more inclined to help him but who knows. Derricks clearly suffering and in pain so maybe that's why Niko feels more sympathetic.
Hearing TheProfessional intro just sounds satisfying for some reason
Ur not the only one my guy 😆
You and me both.
Whatever two people done the performance capture for Derrick and Francis are unbelievable
When killing Bucky, I didn't feel guilty but it was different in case of aiden. I had suspicion of aiden not being the mole. And all the time I thought Gerry was ratted by any Mafia family, Ancelotti for screwing them up . But I thought it could be Derrick because in his missions there must be witnesses and then the polices used him to know about Gerry blackmailing Derrick to be arrested. Derrick becomes a bigger suspicion because just after Derrick's mission and dealing with Francis and Derrick , Gerry was caught. This couldn't be coincidental
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Gerry has a great potential. Hope rockstar will add him on the next gta game
I'm sure Jerry escaped when Johnny and the Lost attacked the prison. Imagine if we see him in the future gta online updates
I like that theory
@@mohdadeeb1829 regardless of whenever you can play this mission in YOUR save file, mission #67 in the gta iv chronological order between all 3 games is "I'll Take Her", with the last mission of the TLAD taking place during or after "Weekend at Florian's" and "Get Lost". After the final mission of TLAD, the next chronological mission would be "I'll Take Her [Ransom]". Source: th-cam.com/play/PLQ3KzJPBsAHlSouVpIwXjkvtF7rCdWdnL.html
@@darknid158 Eh, you do realise that GTASeriesVideos's playlist is just like any other playthrough, right? Not specifically the "chronological" order of the missions
@@robtz759 that is the correct though…
@@darknid158 Me personally, I did Gerry's first missions at his house long after killing Ray, so it would sense in my playthrough as to why he wouldn't escape during Lost's rampage on the prison.
I think Derrick could’ve gotten arrested after the bank job because then he could say this was Geralds idea after all Gerald did get charged for armed robbery and racketeering
Yeah and then he could’ve ratted out Packie and Niko too
Makes sense because Derrick literally used to get high and drunk in open in a public park where lot of people could easily be able to see him and report about him. Plus there is a Police Station close to the park so it would also mean that an officer while on patrol saw him and arrested him and just to avoid jail time he most probably bribed the officers through the share he earned from the heist and told them about the heist and also about who the master mind of the heist is.
Nah, even if he had snitched on the others for that, he still would have been jailed for life, for murdering that guy who shot Michael (along with Packie), armed robbery with hostage taking, and for the murders of several police officers and N.O.O.S.E (SWAT) officers. Snitching doesn't always prevent jail, sometimes they just knock a few years off, but considering he not only murdered a hostage (regardless of said hostage killing his associate), but also several policemen, he would have still been in jail for the rest of his life with no possibilty of parole, even after snitching.
He was more than likely arrested for drug possession, which can carry a sentence even if for own use, esp if it was in public, and the person has form for that and for any other crime, which he did. A crime like that though, he could avoid jail for that after turning state's on someone on their most wanted list, such as Gerry
@@PBL187 It all depends on who is making the deal.
It simply amazes me how much detail was put to characters in this game from criminal records to their back stories to their stories they tell.
The people who made this aren't working there anymore.
Holy sh*t... It all made perfect sense when you showed Derricks first mission cutscene... Still tripping out haha, 13 years, I've passed this game 1000 times. Now I won't feel so bad smoking Derrick no more. Awesome discovery though. Crazy
It is a little strange that Pegorino and Phil were served papers, but Ray suspiciously enough wasn't!
Anthony was wearing a wire. Judging from Pegorino's reaction whenever Ray is around something is telling me that he doesn't have Ray around that much. 😂
They didn’t have ray on talking on the wire tap
@@DreDaGreat1234 Yes Ray did talk
My theory, sort of related to this video:
*Niko killing Francis is the canon outcome and a drug overdose killed Derrick around the time the story ended; both dead, because even if you spare Derrick and kill Francis, Packie says his ma is "all he got left" after the Revenge ending and Kate's death, which is strange, as Derrick was quite close with Packie and their ma!!
Another reason: Derrick's grave in Steinway (you can walk straight through it), while Francis' grave in Colony Island (is completely solid, like a normal gravestone)!!
I'm not going to lie. I hate Francis but allowing him to live is a way his mother could have at least one child. Yes, he is a hypocrite, but she would have that peace of having at least one child.
Derrick could've been alive but not for long, Packie is not a fool and knows his elder brother - with his habbits he could've gotten overdosed or killed while obtaining his dose (lets not forget crime in the city)
@@RyanTheDark that is somewhat useful and at least can think
In GTA V, if you pick Packe for the Paleto score, he’ll mentioned that Derrick has also died. He doesn’t specify if he got killed by someone or a drug overdose, but either way, whichever way you pick, Derrick dies either way, so when you spare him, he ends up dying from a drug overdose
Aah I was curious about this ! Thanks for making a video on this topic
You should make some in depth story videos just like these for Saints Row 1 and 2
"We need to be 110% sure" - Tony Soprano
TheProfessional your giving me some serious inspiration here! I’m planning on making my own lore video now! It’s a gta 5 lore video that theorizes about why the Casino heist has Clifford make an appearance in one of the preps. Anyways thanks for the inspiration TheProfesional
I killed Francis because he was always threatening to blackmail Niko and the last thing he needed was another person trying to blackmail him, I knew derrick was fucked but his character was kinda funny and he was destined to die from the needle anyways. In reality I wanted to kill em both.
Yeah, there is that (the blackmail threats) and then there's the fact that the mcreary's that niko likes accept derrick for who he is and would probably mourn him more than francis overall
It's 2023 and im getting an ad for the first Red Dead Redemption?
more of these lore videos please, love the content
Derrick being the rat definitely adds more layers to that choice for Niko as a character, given he also experienced being ratted out by a strung up junkie they trusted back in Europe.
Derrick is already confirmed a rat by Aiden O'Malley (the guy in the prison van Derrick sends Niko and Packie to kill), who tells Niko he's only in prison because Derrick ratted him out. Packie tells Niko the same thing about Derrick ratting out his friends to avoid doing serious time in prison himself. ( th-cam.com/video/L1m9zBvc8vc/w-d-xo.html ) ( th-cam.com/video/L1m9zBvc8vc/w-d-xo.html )
Packie thinks Niko is dead? Yeah right, Niko probably thinks Packie is dead, and he's probably right by the time GTA 6 comes out.
pro you a legend bro💯 been binge watchin all ur gta videos lately since its my favorite game series, and you are always spot on. appreciate it bro
On the next Lore video: The similarities of Dutch Van Der Lin and Billy Grey
Simple supernatural plot twist answer: Billy is Dutch reincarnated
@@robtz759 but you can't put Micah and 4-eyes (Billy Grey's lapdog) in the same category.
Micah was never a coward
I completed gta 4 for the 25-30th time tonight haha. The story always makes me happy. Never gets old
Thank you. I'm going to put Derrick out of his misery in my next playthrough.
I really enjoy watching videos like these. Thank you
This video made me reconsider my initial idea of Niko killing Francis being the right/canon decision.
Same I love this shit
I just noticed phil covers his mouth when hes talking to Nico outside. Heey thats cool and authentic to the casino stuff with Anthony spilotro
The names on the prison wall behind Gerry are hilarious
I believe Niko killed Derrick and not Frankie, niko despised rats for what happened to him with Darko in the old country when he ratted to them ang got his friends killed, and honestly i believe niko thought Derrick was going to die soon from a overdose anyway. And if my memory doesn't fail i remember Derrick telling him he wanted to die or something
It only makes sense. By killing Derrick, Niko would be doing the McReary family a big favour. Killing Derrick would save Francis's career, protect Gerald as Derrick wouldn't be able to further incriminate Gerald. Derrick was too far gone and was bound to OD anyway. Packie would most probably prefer Niko killed Derrick too, as Packie was closer to Gerald. The McReary mom also seemed like she had a soft spot for Francis, calling him a saint at his funeral because he was the only one who ended up being somewhat legitimate and honest.
Killing Derrick is better for Niko personally too, as Niko would be able to earn some money, have connections to the police, help his love interests family, put Derrick out of his misery. Killing Derrick also aligns with Niko's morals, as Niko finds loyalty to be very important.
Except Niko does not know Derrick was like Darko so he would not erase him from the picture that easily.
(Phone call from Packie and Kate if you shot Derrick)
Packie: " I just hope he was smacked out of his brain when it happened because it wouldn't have suited him to be jonesing when he died."
Kate: reveals that Derrick was a shell of his former self who wanted to die
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It's gonna be very interesting to see how GTA 6 will be especially without Dan Houser
It'll be trash. They lost Lazlow and Leslie Benzies
@@M3TA763AR5071D well see... The game might be good. They might just milk online like mad
Aidan O’Malley = Dutch Van Der Linde 🤣🤣
LOVE how they made Dutch use that very same name 10 years after GTA IV 😎🤣💯
It's weird because, morally, Niko is happy if he saves Derrick. Mostly because the poor guy lacks true context. The only way Niko can find out Derrick ratted on Aiden and Bucky is through Kate, and his reaction is goddamn priceless.
He finds out through Packie actually.
@@willcardona7712 Oh, whoops.
Packie watches his whole familiy turn to hell
Geralds in Jail
Derrick died of an overdose at some point
Francis can Also die thats 2 dead If You spared Derrick
Kate is dead, If You go on the "Good ending"
So Packie can be the lone Survivor
Or You can kill him for some Reason in GTA 5, not sure why You would kill Packie but... Okay
I think Ma McReary died due to loneliness and oldness
His dad Mr mcreary died in early 2000s i guess
Francis was killed by Niko In 2008
Before Francis funeral happend Gerry was arrested in 2008
Kate Dies at the end of the game in 2008
Derrick Dies in 2010
Ms Mcreary died in 2011
Packie is alive and saw his own family collapse in few years
The funniest thing about Francis being worried that Derrick is back is not that he will potentially expose him …no he’s not worried about that it’s not about the prestige of his career he can deal with a scandal lol he’s worried about having a snitch for a brother meaning no cop in the world will trust him and that will end his career which means all the cops are dirty lol
If the brothers are willing to kill eachother, snitching definitely isn't out of the question
The fact that Derrick ratted out Gerry is quite shocking because I felt sorry for him at first because he was kinda helpless and drunk and his family were all criminals except Kate and his mom I thought Gerry was arrested because the cops found out that he was the one who caused the issue between the Albanian gang and the pegoreno mafia
It doesn't have to be Derrick who ratted out Gerry but he did rat out his fellow former IRA friends Bucky Sligo and Aiden O'Malley.
Good work professional, I find your content is very diverse and very planned out. Keep up the good work man. 👍
Derrick says after Niko shoots Francis something like this "it was like fate was deciding which one of us lives", with Niko answering "You have no idea"
I hated having to shoot either derrick or francis.
On my very first play through of GTA IV's storyline, I was stoked to be associating with Irish gangsters because Irish gangs/mob weren't heavily featured in video games (come to think about it, neither are today really) but my excitement wore down quick, shit show after shit show.
Tbh they're yanks anyway just claiming to be Irish. If they really were Irish they'd have an accent 😂
@@markbrennan212 Irish-Americans born of straight Irish parents are still Irish.
I always kill Derek just because he's a liability. While Francis is a crook too, he's got ambitions and is slightly mire honorable.
Francis and Gerry were my favourite characters in gta4 as a child
And they still are
Also some people might think that Niko's dead because Packie said so. He said "Probably" not "Oh he's dead too" he's probably hiding somewhere. Trying to get off the Criminal life probably. Love how you can have Packie as your Crew member. In GTA Online they went the lazy route and re-used the Voice from the Singleplayer.
Thanks to you i'm gonna start seeing The Sopranos and from time to time I see you comenting in some Sopranos clips on youtube.
Can’t wait to watch this after work keep up the great work pro gta 4 is my fav gta by far
Thanks for another lore video on GTA 4 Pro!
On the LCPD website it shows lots of names in the database and if you click on Derricks file it will say Police Informant.
The writing on this game was the strongest...
This game let's players draw conclusions from decisions they make while playing.
I kill Derrick because I want the McReary's to have some kind of continuation...
If you kill Francis, Packie becomes the only McReary left because Derrick dies either way as heard in GTA V, and Gerald dies in prison, Kate dies by the end of the game and with Ma losing her children in such rapid succession, I doubt her heart will handle it seeing as how fragile she was already in GTA IV...giving Packie no reason to stay in Liberty City
Overall, it's sad what happens to this family ...I wish we could've had him as Franklin's friend in GTA V to further find out more but that's just classic R☆, giving you the ingredients but what you cook is entirely up to you😅
Pro is one of the few youtubers i actually respect because he is not a bs artist and has a good personality
Derrick was a freedom fighter of the IRA- which is not a terrorist group but a liberation group. And he will always be way better than Francis, and would never go to the extent of killing his own brother. If you read Derrick's wiki, it says that he has been arrested multiple times ever since he was a juvenile during violent protests. So fighting against the system is his nature. Also, Derrick truly regrets the snitching part, he's an alright man apart from his snitching and the drug addiction. He cannot be the one who ratted out Gerry, he could never fall that low. He literally says that he's not going anywhere now to look after his family, and had to tell niko to kill bucky because of his threats to kill Derrick and his family. Derrick doesn't deserve so much hate. He's one of the most decent characters in the game. Or at least he tries.
I agree. What derrick did to aiden and bucky is basically what michael did to trevor and brad. They did it out of necessity, not for fun.
@@setro5582these are all good points. But the difference was that Michael wasn't a drug addict. I think that's the nail in the coffin for Derrick. I'm pretty sure he could have ratted just to feed his addiction. Especially with heroin.
Hey Pat, will you ever do a story about Billy Grey?
PS: i kinda regret not getting rid of Derrick now
That or either Jimmy Pegorino or an antagonist from TBOGT
@@broden4838 Jimmy P and Bulgarin are gonna die either way
@@AnthroGearhead I was supporting on lore videos for either of them
I replayed it 5 times and killed Derrick in all of them. Still won't remove the aftermath of killing Francis the 1st time.
@@Felipe2000-r6k becuz Francis will be KIA somewhere later ?
Bro I don't know what it is about Packie but I could listen to him talk all day, it's so soothing
Heroin destroyed my Neighbouring country Afghanistan that much bad heroin is.
Your from Pakistan right?
Hey professional rockstar should be paying you to make these vids. No one else is taking gta to this level of detail man. Keep the vids coming
Can you do a lore for gta v?
I didn't watch the entire video, just scanned some comments. I haven't finished the game yet but here's the thing: I just finished Tunnel of Death two days ago, and that made me realize that killing Derrick is the best choice. It's highly possible that he was the one who ratted Gerry out since he was a fucking mess, and as per Francis, that was just his personality. Getting involved in fights and betraying people. I also highly doubt it was Francis because he's more of a defense type of guy. He wouldn't attack unless he was threatened. As far as my understanding of the story goes, what would he gain if he would incarcerate Gerry?
Just my thoughts. PS: I am about to start Weekend at Florian's and I'm excited to see what this ex-comrade of Niko looks like.
Keep up the great work Professional, love watching your videos while trying to 100% GTA 4, hope you have a great day man
This was a great video i actually never thought it could of been Derrick. This is y I kill every time 😂😂
great video man. I was heavy into gta4 for a long time. The game and story holds up great today.
I would say the armed bank robbery, considering they basically admitted that they are from Ireland, could have been enough to implicate Gerry.
Great video Professional I was always thought Francis was The Who got Gerry locked up.
Yess. Been waiting for GTA IV lore
I love your channel because you are the youtuber who doesnt uploud a gta 6 leak every 5 minates
Don't do drugs, man. Don't get yourself mixed up in the world of criminals.
Damn, Professional, I just started to watch Soprano's season 5,when Christopher only passed a rehab and here is that major spoiler...
I have absolutely nothing to say ! The video is of incredible quality ! I feel so bad for Gerry, knowing he's in jail (even though he's done some bad things) hurts because he's one of my favorite characters (along with Jimmy Pegorino, Packie, Phil, Francis, and others) and I like him a lot. Now, I only have two things to note :
1) I'm waiting for your video on the Pegorino Crime Family and the Gambetti Crime Family
2) Although Aiden and Bucky Sligo are very, very bad people, they did not deserve to die. They deserved to be locked up in prison for the rest of their lives. I used to feel bad every time I saw Aiden killed, but now, after watching your video, my perception has changed dramatically - I don't feel as bad about him being dead anymore, because he's a horrible person just like Bucky (and I'm not talking about Derrick).
Keep up the good work, Pro, your Lore videos allow us to see the game from a whole new perspective, in a very different way and I personally appreciate that !
PS : I really liked the fact that you added an excerpt from The Sopranos, I've never seen the show before (I know, I should be ashamed and I am lol), I really, really appreciated that.
Nothing to say: writes alot
Never seen the sopranos: appreciates the mention alot.
What?
@@joshmclovin shut up
I'm waiting for some juicy lore on how Pegorino's group was doomed in both endings (Mostly the Revenge ending imo)
Derrick dead in GTA V by reference of packie when you bring on the poleto bay heist
He dies from an over dose