Another factor that could prove that Mr K’s story is based on Kurnaz is that at 34:36 the article mentions CIA liaison identified as “Steve H”. Sounds familiar?
@@theprofessional155In the fail scene Steve is angry because he couldn't kill Mr K himself Steve Haines didn't care he died and was jealous he couldn't kill Mr. K like Brad and the female hostage Steve Haines and Brad would be fast friends if they met with the same personality they both have Steve Haines is a psychopath I have no idea how he managed to pass the FBI or FIB psychological test unless he manipulated them
When Trevor said "your old life is over" I was so confused about that I was like bruh just take the poor dude home but I completely forgot about the fact that he was kidnapped and declared dead by the IAA
As someone already replied, the man is already labeled as an enemy of the state, whether he is declared dead or still living. Another thing to keep in mind is that his family probably got deported too, if not detained, for being with a "known" terrorist, and would be labeled as being complicit in terrorism or terrorists themselves.
Steve should have been the main villain instead tbh. Devin had really no part of this story that couldn't have been handled by Stretch tbh which could have also been used to highlight Franklin and Lamar's story.
As Tommy Angelo said: You know, the world isn't run by the laws written on paper. It's run by people. Some according to laws, others not. It depends on each individual how his world will be, how he makes it. And you also need a whole lot of luck, so that somebody else doesn't make your life hell. And it ain't as simple as they tell you in grade school. But it is good to have strong values and to maintain them. In marriage, in crime, in war, always and everywhere
True as hell. Even the founding fathers since they had slaves, that kinda violated the constitution, but from this we learn that there is an exception to every rule. We must do our best to make sure we follow the rules and document any wrong doing so the next generation is more well off. It sucks how horrible things happen to people just because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time like Mr.K and Kurnaz.
Yea and Trevor was subconsciously putting Mr. K through torture not knowing hes been ordered to do so "corruptly" and not knowing that Mr. K was wrongly accused of the things they say hes been involved in
It is a shame these guys (FIB and IAA) decided to torture Mr.K but not asking about the guy they were after. Would be cool if he's in GTA 6 as your ally. Atleast Trevor spared him when Trevor was asked to kill him.
That's what I thought as well. Who knows, maybe he'll just be a random encounter and actually did become an advocate and giving speeches throughout Vice City.
I hated the torture mission so much it was so painful seeing Mr K get tortured, I didn't do any torture methods that was particularly gorey, even then the waterboard and electric shock were painful to see. Honestly the mission was one of the reasons i wish Steve's death was more elaborate like Devin's, rather than a shot to the head.
In my opinion I found the fact that his death was quick to be fulfilling. Steve was a garbage person and he was disposed of as such; in a way that really highlights how meaningless his entire life really is. The guy recording him and his TV show while he's being assassinated is just like "Woahhh, the reality TV dude just got shot," just completely clueless not even knowing who Steve was. Poetic and ironic ending for the guy lmfao, you gotta love it.
Stories like these is why I think the FBI and CIA need a massive reform. I don’t know what they were thinking when they thought it was ok to torture an innocent person.
You also gotta understand this was back in 2001. Terrorism was the hot topic. The US was deeply impacted by what happened at 9/11. I don't blame em for going absolute no fucker mode after something like that. Doesn't mean I agree, I just get it.
@@DarkReaperK97that's not a excuse it's literally a war crime a morally and ethically wrong plus if you actually read history this type of investigation (torture) are not used by cia and fbi by now(2001) because not only it's ineffective one the famous cases blow up outta proportion in 1980s or 90s that caused a director to be fired and investigated because how he torture them was inhumane
@@DarkReaperK97Yeah, why not give them the keys to do whatever the fuck they want. They have already commited enough war crimes in their operations in Eastern countries and nobody gave a shit about it sooo 🤷♂️
I don't believe Tahir Javan was actually a terrorist. Him being wrongfully killed despite him actually being a genuine philanthropist is exactly the type of dark joke that you'd expect from GTA. It would also make the FIB and IAA seem even more incompetent, which is what the writers seem to have been going for. My theory's for what really happened are that either they mistook Tahir for someone else, or the data algorithms that Dave talks about just assumed he was a terrorist because of racism.
@@richardbaker308Innocent or not, I don't believe a word of his side of the story. In any other country he would have been found guilty for obviously making false statements to hide his intentions except in the states where if you can't 100% percent that someone is guilty then no matter how ridiculous the alternative explanation may be you have to accept it. Imagine the hours he spent talking to civil rights lawyers
what the us government did to kurnaz was absolutely despicable im glad he is doing better now but thats just terrible definitely one of the worst things a human being has gone through that ive heard about
That Mission Failed scene was something I never encountered and actually changed my stance on Trevor ngl. He really is insane but still has sense unlike Haines. And thinking about it, I think he did Dave Norton and the FIB a favor by clipping him, and I think this mission is why he wanted to kill Haines in the final mission
Poor Mr. K. Always wondered if there was something more to his story, please, keep up the good work, and thank you, Mr. Professional. Your videos are always very informative.
Regarding the torture story, there are literally dozens more stories of US troops torturing and even raping suspected terrorists. One story I remember is this guy was beaten, blindfolded, waterboarded, then when he had open bleeding wounds, troops pissed on his wounds to make it sting and cause an infection.
Why do they do this heinous stuff when they could've done better differently? I feel like in order to join the military, they need to do background checks to make sure they don't have any criminal background records, I believe that's how these alleged war crimes happen because they allow white supremacists racist/criminals onto the military that's where the problem is.
And German soldiers were guarding Guantanamo Bay as well. Germany & United States are NATO members so they were helping each other anyways. US was attacked on September 11, 2001 so Germany had to get involved as a NATO Member
@@kingdomisaiah4541 They did not have to get involved, the US wasn't attacked by a state entity therefore wasn't entitled on Article 4. Germany and France famously did not get involved in Iraq.
@@0inzrt at least the UK, Poland, Australia, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Lithuania, Czech Republic, even Japan South Korea was involved in Iraq
This is a horrible experience for anybody to go through, but imagine all the people who didn’t live to tell their story. There are many families who are missing innocent loved ones because of bad information and it should be addressed more than it is.
The thing where Trevor revives K with the adrenaline syringe to prolong the torture, makes me think of Enrique Camarena, a DEA agent who was tortured (and killed) in a similar way by the Mexican secret police and cartel members. Apperantly the CIA was involved in that as well.
I feel bad for mr.k he never had the chance to explain and cooperate with Steve and was tortured, i wish the game gave us some kind of conclusion to his story, like after finishing the game you hear about him returning to his family and both agencies being criticized for their lack of proof on suspects, and as for kurnaz his story was very messed up, the fact that they accused him of supporting a terrorist group while he was just trying to study Islam was just awful, he didn't even have a chance to defend himself on the case yet they made false statements on him, i wish him all the best.
Am I the only one who is wondering how the hell Mr. K is supposed to get on a plane in his current state? Presumably, he has no money or identification on him, so he can neither purchase a ticket or pass a security check. Even if he does have his wallet on him, any check on his ID (and he is very likely to be profiled as a person of West Asian descent) would end up pulling up a person that has been declared dead. On top of that, he isn't even wearing a shirt and is clearly in need of medical attention. The GTA version of TSA isn't letting him anywhere near an airport gate and he'd just end up in police custody or the hospital, so Trevor should have really thought of some other way of getting Mr. K out of the country if that was his goal.
Thank you for shedding light on such horrific cases. I hope these poor men are doing well right now 😭 as well as can be at least. I'm glad gta V tackled government corruption in the game. The world feels truly bleak right now 💀
The lore he finds from the nuggets of story in this game is so awesome. Like I never knew or noticed the small details about Debra and Floyd. It shows I need to go back and play this game.
These videos make you realize that GTA V's story is actually very deep and intricate, not "shallow" and "generic" like them GTA IV fanboys make it out to be. GTA IV is awesome but so is V.
Damn, Mr. K was an enigma for me until this video. Had no idea about Kurnaz's story but knew government incompetence was rampant in the middle east & Guantanamo Bay (among other places in history). I hope GTA 6 goes IN on the lore, & government corruption, since they had announced they weren't going to be "punching down on marginalized groups" or whatever tf they said. This was a much needed breakdown of Mr. K, Thank You, Professional. 🙏🚬🕶
If they make fun of the US government, they’ll only go after the Republicans and right-wingers, not their “precious” Democrats and lefties. I hope I’m wrong about what I said, though.
Remember that the people who wrote about things like government corruption, systemic poverty, and corporate greed have either left rockstar or were fired. GTA 6 is going to be a shell of what GTA used to be, and probably be centered chiefly around micro transactions.
@@IVIurkish we might even see the death of the franchise, saints row levels of story/characters. Can't say that this new chick is looking bad ass or like a criminal genius.
You are one of the best youtubers I have ever heard instead of being Islomphobic, and stating wrong facts you decided to research the facts, and you really did reach the right facts I myself am a strong follower of JT tablighi jammat and have spent 4 months in the pillgrimage in Pakistan, my home country. And JT is very clear of its teachings and and you can find them spreadout all over youtube. And if anyone has any question they can personally ask me down bellow
Pro, don't take this in the wrong way. I love every single lore video of yours. But with all my respects, when do you gonna make the lore video of the Pegorino family and specialy the video about how R* ruined Johnny K and the Lost MC in GTA V?
The scariest part is that the US government probably still does things like that every day, imagine how many innocent russian civilians might have been through the same thing as Mr. K since the Ukraine war started, or how many people might be falsely accused because of terrorism??? I wonder if Mr. K will make an appearance in GTA 6, if he does i honestly hope he managed to find happiness there
I never thought about that in a context outside of terrorism. I’m convinced that if WW3 starts the US Government is going to reopen the internment camps but this time for Chinese or Russian Americans depending on which country we’re fighting against. Many people don’t think this country is capable of such injustices anymore but I say that’s naive. Nothing much has changed.
@@quagmoe7879 i mean, the camps were never closed, they are just more hidden, jsut see what they did in laos, iraq, etc, the US is destroying 3rd world countries every year, they never stopped, and while i wouldn't say that russia is any better nowadays at least people know that russia is not good
@@Luna-mo4bp Sick in the head idealist who see world in black and white colours. Well something needs to be done about them. And also something needs to be done about tomboys.
Thanks for shedding light on this case Pro! As a Muslim American I hope this changes some people’s negative view the propaganda has put on our religion.
Whenever a game forces you to do something reprehensible in order to progress, pretend you are watching a movie. I personally enjoyed the mission for its commentary on government corruption and the immoral absurdity of torture. You have to understand that the actions you do in a video game do not necessarily represent the way you act in real life.
15:07 Technically speaking a car battery isn't strong enough voltage wise to get that sort of physical reaction being shocked by it through jumper leads. It would be extremely painful but your body wouldn't react like you're in an electric chair. Power being fed back into it through the high voltage lines of the altetnator could get a physical reaction like that but it would melt the jumper leads before it killed you
Wow. The music you add the torture sequence at the end of the first video chapter makes the scene so much better and more serious than the one in the game. I also like the lack of music in certain points. It’s crazy how much a score or the lack of can affect the tone of a scene and a game
@SquidimirLeninclesThe professional should also make videos on terrible things the Russian government has done before, you wouldn’t have a problem with that right? Or would that conveniently go against your narrative?
This scene if I remember right felt uncomfortable for me to do here even the first time playing this game as your morals tend to come out and you begin to wonder if it's wrong. Trevor obviously didn't question it, but I remember many years ago I questioned it. I think I purposefully failed the mission several times because I literally had delayed responses in how to respond for it. It may be just a game, but there are times when a game can cause you to question your code of ethics XD I am glad we are going over the reason why this had to happen to Mr K! Thank you for the lore video!
I felt bad for Mr. K. I know he’s an innocent guy in GTA 5 especially in real life like he didn’t deserve all of this but I’m glad almost at the end of the mission “By The Book” Trevor Philips takes him to the airport because he was trying to take care of Mr. K and wants him to be safe and the only reason why he tortures him is because of Steve Haines is like let’s say forcing him Trevor Philips to torture an innocent guy just to get information on the target to kill him when they didn’t have to torture him poor guy Mr K :(
No disrespect Pro, but I'd rather see more of your lore videos than GTA Online videos. It's honestly not my cup of tea and I don't fine it entertaining to watch. Again no disrespect, I absolutely enjoy watching your lore videos in general. You're awesome man.
@@Loadarine Thank you, I'm not someone who likes to lie to anyone. I'd rather be truthfully honest with someone if I don't agree on something or when others talk on a certain topic.
GTA players: **Will rob innocents, shoot innocents, run over innocents, beat innocents to death, blow innocents up with a variety of weapons, three times a minute without even thinking.** Also GTA players: "Poor Mr. K."
I think my favorite part of this torture scene is how monstrous and scary the background song can get. Its really good detail and makes this mission one of the most serious and probably scary missions in GTA history.
Precies. Ik ben vrolijk, dat je heeft dit video gemaakt. Zo veel is gebeurd met de CIA en FBI in de laatste 20 jaren alleen, en het is erg goed, dat meer mensen praten over het.
How did Karen became a fully IAA agent anyway? Didn't the U.L. Contact said that they had dirt on her and they gave her her life back , meaning she was just someone like Michael was for the FIB ?
@@TheNAKM627like the online protagonist who did jobs for the IAA and was eventually recruited as an official member of the IAA. Karen mentions that in the past the IAA used blackmail to get assets, but nowadays they just pay their assets. So I guess if niko had worked more for the IAA he might had become an official agent.
@@TheNAKM627 you are right, that happens in the criminal enterprises update, an update that was released last year. There the online protagonist officially joins the IAA and works directly for ULP in a series of missions to dismantle a conspiracy between the duggans and the fib.
I always hated the scenes with Steve and Trevor torturing Mr. K because of how uncomfortable they made me feel. That's the worst part of an otherwise excellent game.
Finally, i've always wanted to understand the story of Mr. K. I've always felt so bad for him that i always make sure to kill the azerbaijaina guy much earlier so that Trevor wouldn't torture him too much
im ngl i dont want to sound anti american but i will be honest america at times does get blindsided by "fighthing terrorism" and preventing terrorism and they do stuff like this and cause huge scandals like this with the kurnaz case
Being anti-American is how you end up having tankies that will overexaggerate US government actions to have vitriol towards a country while defending active current authoritarian countries to make it sound like they're better than their own country when really they're not that better themselves. Authoritarian countries do worse than western countries. It feels irritating as an American
Mr. TheProfessional I just wanted to say I recently stumbled upon your channel and have quickly become a big fan. I love your lore videos, especially the ones about Saints Row and GTA. It's amazing how you're able to take all the minor details that fly over most people to get at the real truths of the matter. Your video on Julius from SR in particular really opened my eyes to his true character. I know this is a long shot but I'd absolutely love to see you do a lore video about Scarface: The World is Yours where you examine Tony's character and how his character changes from how he is in the movie to the better person he becomes in the game.
Dude, I love your channel ! Not only you talk about the lore, but you make connections to our reality and even talk about that horrific real story. Thanks for your hard work
I respect the devs for that 😭 wish it wasn't based on real life events, (that story was messed up) but I'm glad it's shedding light on that particular case, even if it's subtle (edit:typo)
These lore videos are dope. How you find and extract so much info from these games is awesome. I hope we get some Red Dead Redemption (the first game) lore videos as you're playing the PS4 edition.
I had no idea Mr K’s story went so deep, I consider myself a bit of a military history buff but the most recent conflicts have evaded my interest after I read about Abu Ghraib. Damn, Rockstar really went all out for the references
This just made me more confident Trevor isn't a complete psycho. He actually helps people and feels bad for them, he just has horrible mental issues and gets violent when aggravated. If he actually got mental help, he would most likely be an amazing guy. Because he is a good guy, but his mental issues and upbringing causes him to do fucked up shit when angered. I strongly follow the idea that Trevor's honor level is Neutral.
Dont get too carried away; trevor has no problem bringing innocent people to the altruist cult for money while perfectly calm and is canonically a cannibal. Just because he has some redeeming qualities doesnt mean hes anywhere near neutral
@@rochipum Gameplay does not go with lore. Just because Trevor can take NPC's to altruist camp, does not mean he does in the game. Also like I said, he has horrible mental issues, which is probably why he does fucked shit like cannibalism. It does not excuse it, but it should be realized.
@@Musashi337 Ok, but plenty of horrible, evil people have mental issues. It isnt a scapegoat you can blame in order to get more leeway, you need to be accountable for your actions. If you dont want to count optional gameplay choices, Trevor is still canonically a mass murdering cannibal rapist. Imagine if he was real, thats nowhere near "neutral" and him being mentally ill does not put actions that egregious into perspective at all.
@@rochipum did you not read what I said at all? I didn't say it was an excuse, I said it should still be mentioned, and considered. You literally just repeated what I said, and re worded it.
After hearing about kurnaz makes me hate the us government this is just saying all muslims are bad not all muslims are bad russsians chinese etc it dont matter what country it is not everyone is bad
6:36 Maybe you can clear this up, but I've heard that some mission strand in Online says or implies that the IAA weren't the ones making the Nerve agent. Not sure, but I think it's because in Online you raid the building Monkey Business takes place in and its shown the IAA aren't in control of the place. The fact this whole nerve agent isn't made a bigger deal and the FIB are breathing down on Haines for what he did, would seem to suggest to me that maybe he wasn't correct on the IAA being behind the whole mess. And considering the beginning of the mission pointed out how he gets things wrong. Maybe that would be an interesting thing to research into, as I hear this is something people will debate.
You know Pro, you should do more videos about events like this that are not current but older. Would be very interresting and educational and I just love to see you talk about this stuff and I learned about law from a country Im not even from
Always hated the Torture mission, but I never knew that it was inspired by this. Hearing this story as a Muslim was genuinely Painful. The Torture that a fellow Muslim Brother went through despite only seeking to strengthen his believe is just saddening. Im glad we Muslims are conpensated in the Afterlife for every suffering we have in this life. May Allah bless Kurnaz.
This lore video reminded me I watch a content creator who studied law enforcement. You would have made a great policeman or FBI agent from the way you analyzed and spoke about Kurnaz.
Hey, i am also a german turk To your statement at the and, yes he is surely based off of him because Azerbaijan is basically the little brother country of Turkey. They have very close ties and we both always say „2 flags 1 nation“ indicating we are the same people just living in different borders. And it kind of really scared me to hear what happened to Murat Kurnaz because I am also just a german turk who is many of millions here and it could have also been me.. i can‘t how he must’ve felt with 19 years old..
Es ist schon ziemlich grenzwertig, wie die Regierung jahrelang nichts unternommen und der Steinmeier versucht hat alles unter den Teppich zu kehren, passt aber auch zur Aktuellen.
I think the worst part about this is how the media focused on antagonizing the game for its violence and blah blah you all heard it before. When really as all gta games before they are a parody of real life. Still everyone over looks that this mission and scene are a criticism to The FBI CIA and their shady practices.
The whole story about Kurnaz is one off the many reasons why I personally dislike the US government in a way. I’m not into conspiracy theories, but I think it’s no wonder why there’s so many if you learn what the US or CIA has done in to fight terrorism or during the cold war. Not defending the terrorists either, but the US really needs to change their way off handling conflicts.
@SquidimirLeninclesI wouldn’t put the blame on Americans, or America, as an American, I put the blame on the administration responsible for the actions. The people trust the government to protect them, so they unwisely blindly follow them. I put the blame on the Bush administration. They are not true Americans, and do not deserve the embrace they get here. It is sad. It rlly is
@SquidimirLeninclesI don’t think Russians who invaded Finland, Afghanistan, Hungary, annexed the baltics illegally, invaded Czechoslovakia, Chechnya , Georgia and Ukraine now have a leg to stand on in this debate. Lemme guess, growing up as a Soviet citizen, did they also teach you that Ukraine is a fake country that doesn’t deserve independence and should forever remain directly annexed under Russia, along with all the other republics? Oh and another one, do they tell you the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is just western propaganda? I highly doubt they even told you about how the Soviets invaded Poland with Germany and committed the Katyn massacre. You probably think that the Holodomor is just fake propaganda spurred up by the west.
@@quagmoe7879 I just think that a Russian saying that the US government did bad things, is peak irony, like self awareness is a foreign concept to these guys.Don’t throw rocks in a glass house.
If this was a perfect world the dogs who tortured Kurnaz should be facing the death penalties or life sentence that level of torture is just disgusting.
Another factor that could prove that Mr K’s story is based on Kurnaz is that at 34:36 the article mentions CIA liaison identified as “Steve H”. Sounds familiar?
I can't believe I missed that. You are right.
@@theprofessional155In the fail scene Steve is angry because he couldn't kill Mr K himself
Steve Haines didn't care he died and was jealous he couldn't kill Mr. K like Brad and the female hostage
Steve Haines and Brad would be fast friends if they met with the same personality they both have
Steve Haines is a psychopath I have no idea how he managed to pass the FBI or FIB psychological test unless he manipulated them
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Nice catch!
@@louisnapolitanoI wouldn't be surprised if most FBI guys are psychopaths.
When Trevor said "your old life is over" I was so confused about that I was like bruh just take the poor dude home but I completely forgot about the fact that he was kidnapped and declared dead by the IAA
Imagine trying to go to the hospital and they run his insurance? The G-Men would shut down that entire hospital in like 10 minutes
he is labeled an enemy of the state at that point so best thing he can do is to get out of USA.
@@gabee7268It's sick how big corruption is.
Yeah tbh as much as it hurts for him literally his best bet is just to leave the US because it’s now a death trap for him
As someone already replied, the man is already labeled as an enemy of the state, whether he is declared dead or still living. Another thing to keep in mind is that his family probably got deported too, if not detained, for being with a "known" terrorist, and would be labeled as being complicit in terrorism or terrorists themselves.
I kinda wish I could have seen Trevor kidnap Steve Haines instead of Devin and put him through the exact torture he put Mr K through.
Yes
Honestly I'd rather have him be kidnapped by Trevor than Devin Weston
@@Tismdylanthats what the comment says 😊
Right sorry I'm dumb
Steve should have been the main villain instead tbh. Devin had really no part of this story that couldn't have been handled by Stretch tbh which could have also been used to highlight Franklin and Lamar's story.
As Tommy Angelo said:
You know, the world isn't run by the laws written on paper. It's run by people. Some according to laws, others not. It depends on each individual how his world will be, how he makes it. And you also need a whole lot of luck, so that somebody else doesn't make your life hell. And it ain't as simple as they tell you in grade school. But it is good to have strong values and to maintain them. In marriage, in crime, in war, always and everywhere
True as hell. Even the founding fathers since they had slaves, that kinda violated the constitution, but from this we learn that there is an exception to every rule. We must do our best to make sure we follow the rules and document any wrong doing so the next generation is more well off. It sucks how horrible things happen to people just because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time like Mr.K and Kurnaz.
His qoute from original is better than from remake.
@@Icyprincess835 not really
@@IllMatic97 Yes it is.
@@IllMatic97 both are good
Trevor dropping Mr. K off at LSIA after almost torturing him to death was so dark yet hilarious 😂
@SquidimirLenincleshow he gives Mr. K his views on being against torture after torturing him 😂
4:58 Michael did not just say big black Lady 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, Mr K must know some nice bbl's
@@MrSAUCEGODyou can call me crazy but I prefer American black girls over British born black girls
I always thought it was pretty sad
I always felt bad for Mr K because he mentions that he has a family in Los Santos and he was tortured by Trevor
Yep, I felt bad for Mr K Too. Worst mission to get gold on. Also, I can't believe this was in real life.
Trevor also felt bad as well otherwise he wouldn't have helped him escaped the country
Yea and Trevor was subconsciously putting Mr. K through torture not knowing hes been ordered to do so "corruptly" and not knowing that Mr. K was wrongly accused of the things they say hes been involved in
@@AntonioG-k6r can you gold it? I was under the impression that you couldn't gold it on later patches
@antoniotheg3780 it still happens with Arabs.
It is a shame these guys (FIB and IAA) decided to torture Mr.K but not asking about the guy they were after. Would be cool if he's in GTA 6 as your ally. Atleast Trevor spared him when Trevor was asked to kill him.
I'm still hoping they aren't going to go modern and instead do the 80s again.
That's what I thought as well. Who knows, maybe he'll just be a random encounter and actually did become an advocate and giving speeches throughout Vice City.
@@DrHDoofenshmirtzphd they are doing modern in the leaks some guy talks about how jay norris is dead
@@DrHDoofenshmirtzphdGTA 6 will be terrible.
@@JeyVGaminga background Poster or something indicating he's talking at a university would be such good Attention to detail
I hated the torture mission so much it was so painful seeing Mr K get tortured, I didn't do any torture methods that was particularly gorey, even then the waterboard and electric shock were painful to see.
Honestly the mission was one of the reasons i wish Steve's death was more elaborate like Devin's, rather than a shot to the head.
there's an option to skip it now but im not sure i haven't played it in a while
@@mauricehamilton4025 yeah u can I replayed the game and u can skip it.
I loved it because it is calming and makes it so I'm less itchy
Don’t you have to do it to get the gold medal though? Hmm…
In my opinion I found the fact that his death was quick to be fulfilling. Steve was a garbage person and he was disposed of as such; in a way that really highlights how meaningless his entire life really is.
The guy recording him and his TV show while he's being assassinated is just like "Woahhh, the reality TV dude just got shot," just completely clueless not even knowing who Steve was.
Poetic and ironic ending for the guy lmfao, you gotta love it.
Stories like these is why I think the FBI and CIA need a massive reform. I don’t know what they were thinking when they thought it was ok to torture an innocent person.
Youre gonna die bro
*FIB IAA
You also gotta understand this was back in 2001. Terrorism was the hot topic. The US was deeply impacted by what happened at 9/11. I don't blame em for going absolute no fucker mode after something like that. Doesn't mean I agree, I just get it.
@@DarkReaperK97that's not a excuse it's literally a war crime a morally and ethically wrong plus if you actually read history this type of investigation (torture) are not used by cia and fbi by now(2001) because not only it's ineffective one the famous cases blow up outta proportion in 1980s or 90s that caused a director to be fired and investigated because how he torture them was inhumane
@@DarkReaperK97Yeah, why not give them the keys to do whatever the fuck they want. They have already commited enough war crimes in their operations in Eastern countries and nobody gave a shit about it sooo 🤷♂️
I don't believe Tahir Javan was actually a terrorist. Him being wrongfully killed despite him actually being a genuine philanthropist is exactly the type of dark joke that you'd expect from GTA. It would also make the FIB and IAA seem even more incompetent, which is what the writers seem to have been going for.
My theory's for what really happened are that either they mistook Tahir for someone else, or the data algorithms that Dave talks about just assumed he was a terrorist because of racism.
I feel so horrible for Murat Krunaz 😢
Imagine the PTSD he has
This dude wasn't innocent
@@richardbaker308 Your proof?
@the_dark_harvest Do you have proof that he wasn't innocent?
Damn these bots are out of control 😂
@@richardbaker308Innocent or not, I don't believe a word of his side of the story. In any other country he would have been found guilty for obviously making false statements to hide his intentions except in the states where if you can't 100% percent that someone is guilty then no matter how ridiculous the alternative explanation may be you have to accept it. Imagine the hours he spent talking to civil rights lawyers
what the us government did to kurnaz was absolutely despicable im glad he is doing better now but thats just terrible definitely one of the worst things a human being has gone through that ive heard about
That Mission Failed scene was something I never encountered and actually changed my stance on Trevor ngl. He really is insane but still has sense unlike Haines.
And thinking about it, I think he did Dave Norton and the FIB a favor by clipping him, and I think this mission is why he wanted to kill Haines in the final mission
How do you call that sense? He was fine with torturing the innocent guy until he died
@@mrgen1c318 Only because he had to; if he refused, he'd get arrested or probably even killed, since he was on FIB's most wanted after all
Poor Mr. K. Always wondered if there was something more to his story, please, keep up the good work, and thank you, Mr. Professional. Your videos are always very informative.
Regarding the torture story, there are literally dozens more stories of US troops torturing and even raping suspected terrorists. One story I remember is this guy was beaten, blindfolded, waterboarded, then when he had open bleeding wounds, troops pissed on his wounds to make it sting and cause an infection.
Why do they do this heinous stuff when they could've done better differently? I feel like in order to join the military, they need to do background checks to make sure they don't have any criminal background records, I believe that's how these alleged war crimes happen because they allow white supremacists racist/criminals onto the military that's where the problem is.
And German soldiers were guarding Guantanamo Bay as well. Germany & United States are NATO members so they were helping each other anyways. US was attacked on September 11, 2001 so Germany had to get involved as a NATO Member
@@kingdomisaiah4541 They did not have to get involved, the US wasn't attacked by a state entity therefore wasn't entitled on Article 4. Germany and France famously did not get involved in Iraq.
@01andrew US was attacked by an state entity, Al-Qaeda on 9/11/2001
@@0inzrt at least the UK, Poland, Australia, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Lithuania, Czech Republic, even Japan South Korea was involved in Iraq
You DEFINITELY deserve your name The Professional.
Very Professionally made video with fascinating and shocking information.
Keep up the good work.
This is definitely the world’s greatest professional
Mr. K didn't deserve what the IAA and the FIB put him through, real talk.
@SquidimirLenincles rent free.
@SquidimirLenincles and the Russian government too
@@headshotmaster138no one from the 3 houses of government is gonna fuck you bro, so stop defending them so hard 💀
I disagree
@KGBMajorValeriP Lol as if the Moscow orc can talk
This is a horrible experience for anybody to go through, but imagine all the people who didn’t live to tell their story. There are many families who are missing innocent loved ones because of bad information and it should be addressed more than it is.
The thing where Trevor revives K with the adrenaline syringe to prolong the torture, makes me think of Enrique Camarena, a DEA agent who was tortured (and killed) in a similar way by the Mexican secret police and cartel members. Apperantly the CIA was involved in that as well.
I feel bad for mr.k he never had the chance to explain and cooperate with Steve and was tortured, i wish the game gave us some kind of conclusion to his story, like after finishing the game you hear about him returning to his family and both agencies being criticized for their lack of proof on suspects, and as for kurnaz his story was very messed up, the fact that they accused him of supporting a terrorist group while he was just trying to study Islam was just awful, he didn't even have a chance to defend himself on the case yet they made false statements on him, i wish him all the best.
Everyone " feeling bad for Mr. K "
What about the real life comparison he spends more than half this video talking about?
Cmon people
If you had the ability to read and comprehend you’d be able to tell from this comment that they’re infact talking about the real life example;kurnaz
@@riplix20Go to the 6th row of his comment and read it slowly, then contemplate or not, maybe he edited it later like this one.
@@lakshaykochhar6799how about you go to your mom and say you love her...
care to do that..?
Gotta give the professional his respect. No other TH-camr goes This deep with lore videos.
Fun Fact: The torture was so Brutal and Dark that it was completely removed in the Japanese Version of GTA V
damn😭
Damn, if even the Japanese ban it, it’s gotta be a whole new level of brutal.
That’s ironic considering Japan has done things which make that scene look incredibly tame.
@@quagmoe7879explain
@@gloverfox9135it's not that, gta san andreas was also originally banned in 2005 because of the hot coffee controversy
Am I the only one who is wondering how the hell Mr. K is supposed to get on a plane in his current state? Presumably, he has no money or identification on him, so he can neither purchase a ticket or pass a security check. Even if he does have his wallet on him, any check on his ID (and he is very likely to be profiled as a person of West Asian descent) would end up pulling up a person that has been declared dead. On top of that, he isn't even wearing a shirt and is clearly in need of medical attention. The GTA version of TSA isn't letting him anywhere near an airport gate and he'd just end up in police custody or the hospital, so Trevor should have really thought of some other way of getting Mr. K out of the country if that was his goal.
Thank you for shedding light on such horrific cases. I hope these poor men are doing well right now 😭 as well as can be at least. I'm glad gta V tackled government corruption in the game. The world feels truly bleak right now 💀
Give Professional respect for how much work he has done for the Community👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The lore he finds from the nuggets of story in this game is so awesome. Like I never knew or noticed the small details about Debra and Floyd. It shows I need to go back and play this game.
These videos make you realize that GTA V's story is actually very deep and intricate, not "shallow" and "generic" like them GTA IV fanboys make it out to be. GTA IV is awesome but so is V.
Don't get knocked out in San Andreas, they'll assume you're dead and send you to the morgue.
These videos are hella informative on story content I’ve questioned, but just never had an answer for. Make as many of these vids as you want.
Sad how many people overlook the story of gta games. I really wish we had more insight that professional gives.
I was just playing through this mission and was wondering about the greater story of Mr. K. Awesome timing!
Bro I just did it today...it's so crazy I just seceded to replay gta story again
@SquidimirLenincles cry more.
@@headshotmaster138Doesn't mean it's not true
@@absolution6191 no one cares what you have to say dude.
@@headshotmaster138kys
Mr K lived in Morningwood, the game equivalent to Westwood in Los Angeles. That's where my mom and my dad worked there as a caregiver.
Your dad is Mr K confirmed
@SquidimirLenincles no one asked you dude.
Damn, Mr. K was an enigma for me until this video. Had no idea about Kurnaz's story but knew government incompetence was rampant in the middle east & Guantanamo Bay (among other places in history). I hope GTA 6 goes IN on the lore, & government corruption, since they had announced they weren't going to be "punching down on marginalized groups" or whatever tf they said. This was a much needed breakdown of Mr. K, Thank You, Professional. 🙏🚬🕶
Sucks if they did do that.
If they make fun of the US government, they’ll only go after the Republicans and right-wingers, not their “precious” Democrats and lefties. I hope I’m wrong about what I said, though.
Remember that the people who wrote about things like government corruption, systemic poverty, and corporate greed have either left rockstar or were fired. GTA 6 is going to be a shell of what GTA used to be, and probably be centered chiefly around micro transactions.
@@ricky-sanchez i know😮💨does make me worried
@@IVIurkish we might even see the death of the franchise, saints row levels of story/characters. Can't say that this new chick is looking bad ass or like a criminal genius.
Professional never disappoints with his lore video choices 👏🏼
You are one of the best youtubers I have ever heard instead of being Islomphobic, and stating wrong facts you decided to research the facts, and you really did reach the right facts
I myself am a strong follower of JT tablighi jammat and have spent 4 months in the pillgrimage in Pakistan, my home country. And JT is very clear of its teachings and and you can find them spreadout all over youtube. And if anyone has any question they can personally ask me down bellow
Pro, don't take this in the wrong way. I love every single lore video of yours. But with all my respects, when do you gonna make the lore video of the Pegorino family and specialy the video about how R* ruined Johnny K and the Lost MC in GTA V?
Would love to see that!
Those are the lore videos I am working on next.
@@theprofessional155 cool, would love to see a Mafia lore video too
@@theprofessional155ah man imma watch that for sure
johhny k ruined himself. that moment really taught players who trevor is and what he can do
The scariest part is that the US government probably still does things like that every day, imagine how many innocent russian civilians might have been through the same thing as Mr. K since the Ukraine war started, or how many people might be falsely accused because of terrorism???
I wonder if Mr. K will make an appearance in GTA 6, if he does i honestly hope he managed to find happiness there
I never thought about that in a context outside of terrorism. I’m convinced that if WW3 starts the US Government is going to reopen the internment camps but this time for Chinese or Russian Americans depending on which country we’re fighting against. Many people don’t think this country is capable of such injustices anymore but I say that’s naive. Nothing much has changed.
@@quagmoe7879 i mean, the camps were never closed, they are just more hidden, jsut see what they did in laos, iraq, etc, the US is destroying 3rd world countries every year, they never stopped, and while i wouldn't say that russia is any better nowadays at least people know that russia is not good
Being not a crime member doean't make you innocent.
@@Icyprincess835So being a bully makes it justified for you to get tortured and have your rights stripped? think before you speak my god...
@@Luna-mo4bp Sick in the head idealist who see world in black and white colours. Well something needs to be done about them. And also something needs to be done about tomboys.
Thanks for shedding light on this case Pro! As a Muslim American I hope this changes some people’s negative view the propaganda has put on our religion.
I honestly feel bad for lax western Muslims like you, who get incorrectly grouped with Islamic extremists and terrorist groups.
if you wanna blame anyone blame the us government thinking muslims are terrorists when most of em arent even terrorists
This was the worst mission in my opinion. I felt so bad torturing this guy.
Yeah looking back 10 years later that mission where you had to torture him was just bad.
@@SoraFan23yeah definitely not one of my favorite missions. Torturing an innocent guy like that is messed up.
Whenever a game forces you to do something reprehensible in order to progress, pretend you are watching a movie. I personally enjoyed the mission for its commentary on government corruption and the immoral absurdity of torture. You have to understand that the actions you do in a video game do not necessarily represent the way you act in real life.
It was the whole point though even the most sadistic person in the game had enough
Not now babe the professional just dropped another fine ass lore video
These lore videos are always amazing. Keep up the great work man, have a great week and take care!
Ahhh yes, yet another fantastic lore video from the most in-depth and entertaining guy on the platform
In the third wish , the moment lester let trevor Michael franklin know about steve whereabout is the moment i see an excitement in trevor
15:07
Technically speaking a car battery isn't strong enough voltage wise to get that sort of physical reaction being shocked by it through jumper leads.
It would be extremely painful but your body wouldn't react like you're in an electric chair.
Power being fed back into it through the high voltage lines of the altetnator could get a physical reaction like that but it would melt the jumper leads before it killed you
Wow. The music you add the torture sequence at the end of the first video chapter makes the scene so much better and more serious than the one in the game. I also like the lack of music in certain points. It’s crazy how much a score or the lack of can affect the tone of a scene and a game
He didn't add the music. That is the in game music that plays during the torture sequence.
The Professional never disappoints with these lore videos.
@SquidimirLeninclesThe professional should also make videos on terrible things the Russian government has done before, you wouldn’t have a problem with that right? Or would that conveniently go against your narrative?
@@gloverfox9135when gta russia releases and has parallels to government brutalities, sure why not
This scene if I remember right felt uncomfortable for me to do here even the first time playing this game as your morals tend to come out and you begin to wonder if it's wrong. Trevor obviously didn't question it, but I remember many years ago I questioned it. I think I purposefully failed the mission several times because I literally had delayed responses in how to respond for it. It may be just a game, but there are times when a game can cause you to question your code of ethics XD
I am glad we are going over the reason why this had to happen to Mr K! Thank you for the lore video!
What Karen was about to do with this poor man makes me say "Fucking Bitch" just like Niko did.
This guy should be called The Professional Gaming History Channel
This is a WARCRIME against humanity itself. For Kurnaz and Mr. K.
It is a crime,true, but not a war crime.
Kurnaz's situation was like going to an Italian restaurant and getting arrested for racketeering, but way way worse. Heartbreaking story
I felt bad for Mr. K. I know he’s an innocent guy in GTA 5 especially in real life like he didn’t deserve all of this but I’m glad almost at the end of the mission “By The Book” Trevor Philips takes him to the airport because he was trying to take care of Mr. K and wants him to be safe and the only reason why he tortures him is because of Steve Haines is like let’s say forcing him Trevor Philips to torture an innocent guy just to get information on the target to kill him when they didn’t have to torture him poor guy Mr K :(
I didn't know there's so much backstory and real-life connections to this mission.
Awesome research and thanks for the video!
No disrespect Pro, but I'd rather see more of your lore videos than GTA Online videos. It's honestly not my cup of tea and I don't fine it entertaining to watch. Again no disrespect, I absolutely enjoy watching your lore videos in general. You're awesome man.
I agree with you.
@@Loadarine Thank you, I'm not someone who likes to lie to anyone. I'd rather be truthfully honest with someone if I don't agree on something or when others talk on a certain topic.
I agree respectfully with no disrespect intended towards Pro, these lore videos are always just really good.
GTA players: **Will rob innocents, shoot innocents, run over innocents, beat innocents to death, blow innocents up with a variety of weapons, three times a minute without even thinking.**
Also GTA players: "Poor Mr. K."
I think my favorite part of this torture scene is how monstrous and scary the background song can get. Its really good detail and makes this mission one of the most serious and probably scary missions in GTA history.
Precies. Ik ben vrolijk, dat je heeft dit video gemaakt. Zo veel is gebeurd met de CIA en FBI in de laatste 20 jaren alleen, en het is erg goed, dat meer mensen praten over het.
YES. That was something I always wanted to watch. Thank you for making this!
How did Karen became a fully IAA agent anyway? Didn't the U.L. Contact said that they had dirt on her and they gave her her life back , meaning she was just someone like Michael was for the FIB ?
She was working for them for a while before gta 4. And now worked for them for another 5 years. I think her services gave her a rank in the IAA
@@TheNAKM627like the online protagonist who did jobs for the IAA and was eventually recruited as an official member of the IAA. Karen mentions that in the past the IAA used blackmail to get assets, but nowadays they just pay their assets. So I guess if niko had worked more for the IAA he might had become an official agent.
@@elmaster48 when did the gta online character get recruited. Is that in a new update, I haven't been following gtao since like 2021
@@TheNAKM627 you are right, that happens in the criminal enterprises update, an update that was released last year. There the online protagonist officially joins the IAA and works directly for ULP in a series of missions to dismantle a conspiracy between the duggans and the fib.
@@elmaster48 isn't the criminal enterprise the update Franklin appears in?
I love how this video started from gta v lore and ended up like a proper documentary. I love this. Good work (3
Another reason people WANTED death wish to be and become canon
This mission makes it so damn hard to complete story mode I hate torturing Mr K when a simple interrogation would’ve got the same results
I always wonder why Mr.K was element within the story of GTAV, great video and keep up the great work
i appreciate how much effort u put into these videos, there arent many people making content like this anymore
I always hated the scenes with Steve and Trevor torturing Mr. K because of how uncomfortable they made me feel. That's the worst part of an otherwise excellent game.
Dave Norton is legit my favorite story mode character. The aloof way he does everything, including pulling a gun outta nowhere, is hilarious.
Finally, i've always wanted to understand the story of Mr. K.
I've always felt so bad for him that i always make sure to kill the azerbaijaina guy much earlier so that Trevor wouldn't torture him too much
I did not even realize as a kid how bad I felt for Mr k
The Lore Videos are The Best💯
Great Lore Video Pro 👍👍👍
I haven't slept in 24 hours but yeah I've got time to see an hour and a half video abt GTA lore
Hey Professional, I really enjoy your lore videos and thank you for putting your hard work into these projects!
im ngl i dont want to sound anti american but i will be honest america at times does get blindsided by "fighthing terrorism" and preventing terrorism and they do stuff like this and cause huge scandals like this with the kurnaz case
Sometimes they do some unnecessary things when they are other ways they could've done better differently
Remember the German government was involved in this too. German government should also apologize to Kurnaz & compensate him too (reparations payment)
Being anti-American is how you end up having tankies that will overexaggerate US government actions to have vitriol towards a country while defending active current authoritarian countries to make it sound like they're better than their own country when really they're not that better themselves. Authoritarian countries do worse than western countries. It feels irritating as an American
Y'know what I hate about GTA 5? Rockstar never reveals what happened to Mr.K after he stumbled down the stairs
Mr. TheProfessional I just wanted to say I recently stumbled upon your channel and have quickly become a big fan. I love your lore videos, especially the ones about Saints Row and GTA. It's amazing how you're able to take all the minor details that fly over most people to get at the real truths of the matter. Your video on Julius from SR in particular really opened my eyes to his true character. I know this is a long shot but I'd absolutely love to see you do a lore video about Scarface: The World is Yours where you examine Tony's character and how his character changes from how he is in the movie to the better person he becomes in the game.
Thank you for your dedication and time you put into these videos pro we appreciate you so much
Dude, I love your channel ! Not only you talk about the lore, but you make connections to our reality and even talk about that horrific real story. Thanks for your hard work
the fact the real life CIA liaison is called Steve H too
I respect the devs for that 😭 wish it wasn't based on real life events, (that story was messed up) but I'm glad it's shedding light on that particular case, even if it's subtle
(edit:typo)
These lore videos are dope. How you find and extract so much info from these games is awesome. I hope we get some Red Dead Redemption (the first game) lore videos as you're playing the PS4 edition.
I had no idea Mr K’s story went so deep, I consider myself a bit of a military history buff but the most recent conflicts have evaded my interest after I read about Abu Ghraib. Damn, Rockstar really went all out for the references
This just made me more confident Trevor isn't a complete psycho. He actually helps people and feels bad for them, he just has horrible mental issues and gets violent when aggravated. If he actually got mental help, he would most likely be an amazing guy. Because he is a good guy, but his mental issues and upbringing causes him to do fucked up shit when angered. I strongly follow the idea that Trevor's honor level is Neutral.
Dont get too carried away; trevor has no problem bringing innocent people to the altruist cult for money while perfectly calm and is canonically a cannibal. Just because he has some redeeming qualities doesnt mean hes anywhere near neutral
@@rochipum Gameplay does not go with lore. Just because Trevor can take NPC's to altruist camp, does not mean he does in the game. Also like I said, he has horrible mental issues, which is probably why he does fucked shit like cannibalism. It does not excuse it, but it should be realized.
@@Musashi337 Ok, but plenty of horrible, evil people have mental issues. It isnt a scapegoat you can blame in order to get more leeway, you need to be accountable for your actions. If you dont want to count optional gameplay choices, Trevor is still canonically a mass murdering cannibal rapist. Imagine if he was real, thats nowhere near "neutral" and him being mentally ill does not put actions that egregious into perspective at all.
@@rochipum did you not read what I said at all? I didn't say it was an excuse, I said it should still be mentioned, and considered. You literally just repeated what I said, and re worded it.
@@Musashi337 Ok, then you agree he isnt neutral? Thats the whole point of everything ive been saying: trevor is horrible even by gta standards
After hearing about kurnaz makes me hate the us government this is just saying all muslims are bad not all muslims are bad russsians chinese etc it dont matter what country it is not everyone is bad
That torture mission was so brutal,if this mission was to come out in 2023 it would’ve gotten Alotta backlash
It got backlash in 2013 what do you mean lol. It almost got banned for that mission.
Damn the Mission Failed cutscene adds more layer to this story. Nice work as always, man!
6:36 Maybe you can clear this up, but I've heard that some mission strand in Online says or implies that the IAA weren't the ones making the Nerve agent. Not sure, but I think it's because in Online you raid the building Monkey Business takes place in and its shown the IAA aren't in control of the place.
The fact this whole nerve agent isn't made a bigger deal and the FIB are breathing down on Haines for what he did, would seem to suggest to me that maybe he wasn't correct on the IAA being behind the whole mess. And considering the beginning of the mission pointed out how he gets things wrong. Maybe that would be an interesting thing to research into, as I hear this is something people will debate.
You know Pro, you should do more videos about events like this that are not current but older.
Would be very interresting and educational and I just love to see you talk about this stuff and I learned about law from a country Im not even from
Always hated the Torture mission, but I never knew that it was inspired by this. Hearing this story as a Muslim was genuinely Painful. The Torture that a fellow Muslim Brother went through despite only seeking to strengthen his believe is just saddening. Im glad we Muslims are conpensated in the Afterlife for every suffering we have in this life. May Allah bless Kurnaz.
The Tabligh are annoying because they would knock on your door to invite you to the mosque but they're not terrorists lol
It's not even clear if the guy they were asking about was actually involved with anything either
This lore video reminded me I watch a content creator who studied law enforcement. You would have made a great policeman or FBI agent from the way you analyzed and spoke about Kurnaz.
Thanks again for these lore videos Pro. You are amazing!
Imagine in GTA6, IAA takes you like they did to Niko Bellic, saying that the FIB took down the wrong person instead of Tahir Javan
Mr K, a foreigner with no shoes or shirt and bleeding, didn’t get too far into the airport…he never went anywhere
Man, I love your lore videos. You re one of the few youtubers who really put alot of work in their clips and I trully apreciate that!
Ahhhhhh YES!! I was waiting so long for another one of these gems!
Hey, i am also a german turk
To your statement at the and, yes he is surely based off of him because Azerbaijan is basically the little brother country of Turkey. They have very close ties and we both always say „2 flags 1 nation“ indicating we are the same people just living in different borders.
And it kind of really scared me to hear what happened to Murat Kurnaz because I am also just a german turk who is many of millions here and it could have also been me.. i can‘t how he must’ve felt with 19 years old..
Es ist schon ziemlich grenzwertig, wie die Regierung jahrelang nichts unternommen und der Steinmeier versucht hat alles unter den Teppich zu kehren, passt aber auch zur Aktuellen.
You should really play L.A. Noire. The story in that game is eerily similar to what is going on in Maui right now.
I feel bad for Mr K he didn't deserve getting tortured by trevor but thank you pro for the lore.
I think the worst part about this is how the media focused on antagonizing the game for its violence and blah blah you all heard it before. When really as all gta games before they are a parody of real life. Still everyone over looks that this mission and scene are a criticism to The FBI CIA and their shady practices.
The whole story about Kurnaz is one off the many reasons why I personally dislike the US government in a way.
I’m not into conspiracy theories, but I think it’s no wonder why there’s so many if you learn what the US or CIA has done in to fight terrorism or during the cold war.
Not defending the terrorists either, but the US really needs to change their way off handling conflicts.
@SquidimirLenincles no one cares commie.
@SquidimirLeninclesI wouldn’t put the blame on Americans, or America, as an American, I put the blame on the administration responsible for the actions. The people trust the government to protect them, so they unwisely blindly follow them. I put the blame on the Bush administration. They are not true Americans, and do not deserve the embrace they get here. It is sad. It rlly is
@SquidimirLeninclesI don’t think Russians who invaded Finland, Afghanistan, Hungary, annexed the baltics illegally, invaded Czechoslovakia, Chechnya , Georgia and Ukraine now have a leg to stand on in this debate. Lemme guess, growing up as a Soviet citizen, did they also teach you that Ukraine is a fake country that doesn’t deserve independence and should forever remain directly annexed under Russia, along with all the other republics? Oh and another one, do they tell you the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is just western propaganda? I highly doubt they even told you about how the Soviets invaded Poland with Germany and committed the Katyn massacre. You probably think that the Holodomor is just fake propaganda spurred up by the west.
@@gloverfox9135 I really don’t see how where someone is from should exclude them from the conversation.
@@quagmoe7879 I just think that a Russian saying that the US government did bad things, is peak irony, like self awareness is a foreign concept to these guys.Don’t throw rocks in a glass house.
Your lore videos are like a buffet. I can never get enough of them.
Hi professional love the vids
The Mr K video delivery was definitely worth the wait pro 👍🏽
I've never actually seen the failed torture cutscene. I love the little dance Trevor does when mocking Haines at 22:57 lmao
If this was a perfect world the dogs who tortured Kurnaz should be facing the death penalties or life sentence that level of torture is just disgusting.